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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Nov 7, 2018

Operator

Good morning. My name is Julie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the NFI Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press the pound key. Thank you. Stephen King, Corporate and IR Relations Director, you may begin your conference.

Stephen King
VP of Strategy and Investor Relations, NFI Group

Thank you, Julie. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to NFI Group's 2018 Third Quarter Results Conference Call. This is Stephen King speaking. Joining me today are Paul Soubry, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Glenn Asham, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. For your information, this call is being recorded. A replay will be made available shortly after the call. Details on the replay can be found on our website. As a reminder to all participants and others regarding this call, certain information provided today may be forward-looking and based on assumptions and anticipated results that are subject to uncertainties. Should any one or more of these uncertainties materialize, or should the underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary significantly from those expected. You're advised to review the risk factors found in the company's press releases and other public filings on SEDAR for more details.

In addition, I'd encourage all participants to review the third quarter financial statements and the associated management discussion and analysis that are posted to our website and also on SEDAR. We'll start today's call with Paul providing an overview of the quarter. Glenn will speak to the financial results. Paul will finish up with market insights and NFI's outlook. Following that, we'll open the call to analyst questions. I'll now hand it over to Paul.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Thanks, Stephen. Good morning, everyone. While our third quarters are typically one of our slowest. That's up 15% over 27 year to date. We received a number of key contract awards in the quarter, with 757 EUs in new orders and 5,426 new orders over the past 12 months, which is an increase of 13% over LTMQ3 2017. Our total backlog is now at 11,110 EUs, of which 3,423 are firm and 7,687 are options, which equals $5.5 billion US dollars and represents approximately 2.6 times our current annual production rate. Glenn will review the financial results. I'd like to highlight that in the Q3 2018, our revenue, our net earnings, our free cash flow, and our dividends all increased compared to the same period in 2017.

While our adjusted EBITDA was down 1%, primarily impacted by sales mix and a number of costs associated with standing up our new Shepherdsville, Kentucky part fabrication facility and the adverse impact of Daimler's termination of the North American Setra distribution agreement for MCI. I'd also like to remind you that our business experiences significant variance quarter-to-quarter due to pricing, order size, propulsion systems, product type, and customer-specified modifications. As a result of the volatile nature of our market and products, performance metrics should be considered over a period of multiple quarters, which is why we tend to focus on LTM figures. On an LTM basis, our adjusted EBITDA was up CAD 21.6 million or 7%. Q3 was very busy as we're active for a number of significant progress across the company to build new products, to increase our parts fabrication capability.

We continue to harmonize our IT platforms and upgrade our facilities. I'd like to bring a few of these to your attention at this time. In 2018, New Flyer was awarded the largest ever battery electric bus contract in Canadian history from the Société de transport de Montréal, or STM, and Société de transport de Laval, STL. This was another strong sign of support for our battery electric transit bus offering, what we call the Xcelsior CHARGE. In September 2018, we held a grand opening of our Shepherdsville, Kentucky parts fabrication facility that now employs over 100 people. In fact, we're here today. The facility continues to ramp up operations and will provide benefits in 2019 and beyond, when it achieves full run rate of nearly 500 employees by the end of 2019.

This new facility has already started fabricating production parts for New Flyer and will ultimately make parts for all NFI brands, including MCI, ARBOC, and NFI Parts. It will not only have a positive financial contribution once fully commissioned, it was also a strategic investment to help New Flyer and MCI meet the increased U.S. material content requirements from 65%-70% for Buy America that goes into effect in October of 2019. Third, our CAD 25 million investment to expand the New Flyer Anniston, Alabama, production and innovation campus is advancing on schedule. During the quarter, we moved our welding operations from an off-site leased facility into a brand-new weld shop that is adjacent to the production line. We expect to complete the entire project in Q4 of this year.

Also in Q3 2018, we continue to take significant steps with our new motor coach and low-floor products that will better serve our customers and end users of our vehicles. This includes MCI's new D45 CRT LE, which are our low entry, which features revolutionary improvements to support people with physical disabilities. The bus passed its Altoona test and now qualifies for U.S. federally funded procurements, and we've already won some awards. MCI is also taking orders for the J3500, which is the smaller 35-foot coach, which is 10-foot shorter than the industry-leading 45-foot J4500 coach. Production of the J3500 begins in January 2019, with deliveries in the first quarter of next year. MCI continues to complete testing protocols on its pilot battery electric coach and has begun design on the production version.

Production of our MCI electric coach is expected to begin in the second half of 2020. Once testing and design is complete, the battery electric propulsion system on this vehicle will be available across all MCI product portfolio. ARBOC Spirit of Equess, which is a low-floor, medium-duty transit bus, has completed its Altoona test, and we're just waiting its final report. The Equess has been very well received, and we've already started to secure orders for it. IT harmonization continues to be a key focus area for us, with two significant projects in process. One at MCI manufacturing operations and the other at NFI Parts, both of which are on budget and on schedule. Once complete, these new IT platforms will enable us to better implement just-in-time inventory, control costs, and provide enhanced customer delivery performance.

In October, we announced our new revolving credit facility. This new five-year unsecured facility has a total borrowing limit of $1 billion, plus an accordion feature, which allows for an additional funding up to $250 million. The new facility leaves us very well positioned to pursue initiatives to grow and diversify our business. In Q3 2018, we continued to use our normal course issuer bid to repurchase and cancel NFI shares. Full details are disclosed in our MD&A, but to date, we've purchased 514,000 NFI shares for a total of CAD 41 million. With that, I'll ask Glenn now to take you through the financial statements, and following that, I'll provide some insights into our outlook, and then we'll answer any questions you may have. Over to you, Glenn.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Thank you, Paul, and good morning, everyone. I'll be highlighting certain third quarter 2018 results and provide comparisons to the same period in 2017. I would like to direct you to NFI's full Q3 2018 financial statements and Management Discussion and Analysis of those financial statements, which are both available on SEDAR or NFI's website. I do want to remind you that our interim unaudited financial statements are presented in US dollars, the company's functional currency, and all amounts referred to are in US dollars unless otherwise noted. Please note that two organizational changes were made in 2017 and 2018 to better align business functions within operating segments, details of which are provided in the company's MD&A. To improve the comparability between periods, the related 2017 segment information has been restated to reflect these changes.

NFI generated consolidated revenue of $605 million in third quarter 2018, an increase of 11.7% compared to the third quarter of 2017. Revenue from manufacturing operations increased by 12.8%, primarily from a 16.9% volume increase in new transit bus, coach, and cutaway deliveries, partially offset by a lower average selling price per equivalent unit. The selling price decrease in the third quarter 2018 compared to the third quarter 2017 is due to sales mix and some margin pressure in the motor coach business, partially offset by positive mix in margin in the transit bus business. In addition, the average equivalent unit selling price in the third quarter of 2018 includes ARBOC cutaway buses, which have a substantially lower average selling price. Revenue from the aftermarket operations increased 6.4% in the third quarter 2018, primarily as a result of higher volume.

Total adjusted EBITDA for Q3 2018 of CAD 70.3 million was down 1% compared to the corresponding period in 2017. Manufacturing operations adjusted EBITDA increased 0.8% in the third quarter of 2018, primarily as a result of increased volume offset by start-up costs associated with Shepherdsville, price reductions on sales of new and pre-owned Setra coaches following the termination of our distribution rights agreement, or DRA, with Daimler, and loss associated with the Wisconsin-based fiberglass reinforced polymer business. In total, these items had an impact of CAD 4 million on manufacturing adjusted EBITDA. In addition, adjusted EBITDA was also impacted by favorable sales mix and margin in the transit business, offset by adverse sales mix and margins in the motor coach business.

Aftermarket operations adjusted EBITDA decreased 5.9% due to sales mix, margin pressures, and loss of parts sales resulting from Daimler's termination of the Setra agreement, which took effect for NFI Parts on July 1, 2018. Net earnings increased by 6.9%, and earnings per share of CAD 0.59 increased by 7.2%, primarily from lower income taxes, offset by increased finance costs and the previously mentioned impacts on adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted net earnings during the third quarter 2018 increased by 4.1% compared to the third quarter 2017, and adjusted earnings per share was up 3.6%. Our liquidity position of CAD 192.2 million as of September 30, 2018, decreased compared to CAD 210.6 million at July 1, 2018, primarily from initiatives taken to return capital to shareholders through increased dividends and repurchase of shares under the NCIB.

The company generated free cash flow of CAD 28.8 million during the third quarter of 2018, an increase of 38.5% compared to the third quarter of 2017. The increase was primarily due to lower income taxes. The company declared dividends of CAD 23.4 million in the third quarter of 2018, which is an increase of 14.1% from the third quarter of 2017, and represents a payout ratio of 62.9% for the quarter, down from 79.2% in the same period of 2017. Property, plant, and equipment cash expenditures for the third quarter 2018 increased by 23.2% compared to the third quarter 2017, primarily as a result of investments in Shepherdsville and in Anniston, and other continuous improvement programs. Return on invested capital, or ROIC, during the 12-month period ended September 30, 2018, was 14.8% compared to 15.4% during the 12-month period ended October 1, 2017.

The lower ROIC was primarily impacted by investments made in Shepherdsville and Anniston that are not expected to generate benefits until 2019. With that, I'll turn it back to Paul.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Thanks, Glenn. NFI remains focused on maintaining and growing our leading market share position in heavy-duty transit, motor coach, low-floor cutaways, and aftermarket parts distribution. We see opportunities to grow our business by enhancing our competitiveness and continuing to launch new products and disrupting traditional markets. We remain confident with our strategy, our execution, and our business model. We're focused on the future of our business and what's up next for us, not only in the bus manufacturing parts, but the future of mobility and solutions needed to move groups of people safely, efficiently, responsibly, and in style. While market share growth in our core markets is important, we're not interested in chasing volume for its own sake. Sustainable performance, profitable return, strong cash flow, and customer satisfaction has and will guide our bidding and procurement approach.

We're pleased with our backlog position. We see positive signs for continued growth and profitability in the future. Based on aging fleets, the healthy economic conditions, defined U.S. federal funding through the FAST Act, and the size of our bid universe, we expect the transit bus procurement activity through North America to remain healthy. We've experienced a slight reduction in active public sector competitions in the quarter. Based on our market tell and commentary directly from customers, we anticipate that to recover to normal levels very shortly. With respect to private market motor coaches, we continue to anticipate stable demand through the rest of 2018 and into 2019.

While there was some downward pressure on motor coach margins in the quarter, a result of sales mix, planned facility shutdowns, and competitive dynamics, we remain focused on expanding our product portfolio, which includes, as I previously mentioned, our D45 CRT LE, the J3500, and the battery electric coach to enhance our competitiveness. New Flyer's award-winning heavy-duty transit bus platform, Xcelsior, continues to lead the market with the broadest variety of propulsion. Following the award of electric buses in Quebec, New Flyer buses will now be used by all of the top 25 metropolitan transit agencies in North America, a very big deal for us. Zero-emission buses, or what we refer to as ZEBs, which include trolley, battery, and fuel cell configurations, remains a core area of focus.

While the current North American installed fleet of ZEBs is just over 1%, the demand for ZEBs is expected to grow over time. We expect to actively lead this segment in growth. We caution that adoption rates of ZEBs is not only about the technology of the bus, its batteries, and electric motors, but also will be significantly governed by additional funding available and requirements for charging infrastructure. We continue to work closely with operators to help them understand the dynamics surrounding the required charging and how we can assist to meet their goals and evolve their fleets to ZEBs over time. As the population ages and accessibility becomes more of a focus for operators in North America, we also believe demand for low-floor cutaway and medium-duty buses with greater accessibility will continue to grow.

The anticipated market trend is one of the key reasons why we sought out ARBOC and their patented low-floor offerings, which provide a better customer experience compared to high-floor buses with lifts. ARBOC Spirit of Equess, as I mentioned earlier, is one of the vehicles we're particularly excited about. The Equess is designed, sourced, and built in the U.S. and has received positive response from smaller transit agencies, airports, shuttles, and universities. Deliveries of this product will start to commence in the fourth quarter of this year. Our aftermarket segment has continued to experience adverse impacts on volume and margins in the quarter. To combat headwinds, we've been focusing on winning vendor-managed inventory or VMI programs. NFI Parts was awarded six VMI programs in the 2018 year to date.

While it's difficult to quantify exactly the incremental sales by the nature of those contracts, we expect them to provide volume benefits to our parts business in 2019. NFI Parts has also been focusing on harmonizing the New Flyer and MCI parts business into one IT system, which goes live in the fourth quarter of this year. NFI's master production schedule, combined with our current backlog and orders anticipated to be awarded under new procurements, allows us to reconfirm the fiscal 2018 delivery guidance has remained unchanged at approximately 4,390 Equivalent Units, which is an increase of 562 units over 2017. Similar to Q4 2017, we expect Q4 2018 to be a period of significant demand for the motor coach segment. We're also reaffirming our expected PP&E expenditures for fiscal 2018 to be in the range of approximately $63 million-$73 million U.S.

As we all know, the governments of the United States, Mexico, and Canada announced in the quarter that they've reached a deal in principle that would replace the North American Free Trade Agreement. We don't anticipate that the USMCA agreement will have any material impact on our business from this new agreement. While the USMCA is a positive outcome for NFI, the previously announced U.S. federal tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum imported into the U.S., and Canadian surtaxes on U.S. steel and aluminum imported in Canada remain in effect. As we've mentioned many times before, NFI predominantly sources U.S. steel and aluminum and have been eligible for recovery of the surtaxes under the Canadian federal duty relief and duty drawback programs.

While commodity prices have gone up, we anticipate an immaterial impact on the remainder of 2018 as our components are purchased under fixed price or contract specific quotations. We also expect future cost increases should substantially be recoverable through new contract pricing or through the Producer Price Index or PPI mechanisms in our multi-year contracts. Finally, on the topic of global trade wars, the U.S. government recently launched tariffs on various goods originating from China. It's important to note that NFI makes minimal direct purchases from Chinese suppliers and therefore has limited direct exposure. We're monitoring the indirect impact that any tariffs might have on our component or sub-component suppliers, but we anticipate future cost increases should largely be recoverable through new contract pricing or through those contractual PPI mechanisms.

As we previously mentioned, after a significant effort by Glenn Asham and his finance team, NFI secured a new five-year larger credit facility. This facility, combined with our strong core markets and our proven ability to generate cash flow, leaves us very well-positioned to continue to explore further M&A and other opportunities to strategically grow and diversify our business. We've looked at a number of opportunities, both domestically and international. As we have in the past, any investment or acquisition will be strategic, prudent, measured, and appropriate. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening to our call today and for continuing to support NFI. I'm proud of the work and effort commitment we see every day from more than 6,000 team members across North America. The strategic decisions we've made to mold NFI into the company we are today.

We're well positioned to continue to be North America's leading provider of buses, motor coaches, and low-floor cutaways. At NFI, we're proud of our history and excited about our future. We'll invite your questions. Lisa, can you please provide instructions to our callers? Julie, sorry.

Operator

That's okay. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Chris Murray. Chris, your line is now open.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, folks. Maybe we can start with the coach business and your comments around some margin issues around mix. You just want to give us maybe some idea and some more color on what you're seeing there? Is this being driven by pricing by competitors, or is it a cost side thing? Any more color you can give us right now would be helpful.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Thanks, Chris. Well, look, there's 2 issues. First of all, every contract is different. In the motorcoach space, we have large contracts like New Jersey or Houston or Connecticut and those kind of things, then 60% of that business is 1-off or 2-off type transactions. On the contractual side, the pricing that we experienced today was put in place in 2015 or 2016 or 2017 when we bid those. There hasn't been any change really on the pricing side or the costing side on most of that contractual stuff. The transactional stuff that we do and the smaller bids and things has different dynamics at all times. The loss of the Setra dynamic in our world had an impact of us returning unsold coaches to Daimler, and we took an EBITDA hit there.

We also have now an aftermarket dynamic where the value of pre-owned coaches, specifically a big Setra pool that we had, has been adversely impacted, so that required us to write down or mark to market our pool. The other segments, whether it be long haul or line haul type transportation, has been under pressure, where there's been some other areas where the pricing has been relatively strong and robust. It's a dynamic of the mix in the quarter, adversely impacted the margins.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Okay. I guess, independent of Setra, though, is there anything that you feel has changed structurally as we go into Q4? Or should we just think of it as you had an odd mix in the quarter, but things are normalizing?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, first of all, there isn't really anything structurally changing in our marketplace today, right? The demand of the motorcoach as well is down a little bit. I think it's down about 3.5% year-over-year of the whole motorcoach market, but it's really not fundamentally driving pricing different. Don't discount the impact of the used market and POCs on what that has to do with our costs, because we have a very large pool, and we mark to market that every quarter. That's why we highlighted specifically the Setra, but we have all kinds of other buses in inventory that have a market valuation issue. The other part of Ian's business is that we've been investing throughout 2018 to set that business up for a common production line.

Those are costs we've been absorbing that are not going to be at the same level that we've seen historically. Won't be at the same level going forward.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Okay, fair enough. Just so we're clear on the Setra and the pre-owned coach issue. The contract came to an end, as you said, as you enter the quarter. I think you called out $2.2 million. At this particular point, is this basically now done? I think you made the comment that you've returned any unsold inventory. Are there any further write-downs or anything else that we should be expecting into Q4 or anything like that?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

To be clear, Chris, Daimler told us at the end of Q4 2017 that we're no longer the North American distributor for Setra. It was a fairly small business for us, but we had approximately 30-35 coaches on hand or on order, new coaches, and then we had a series of somewhere close to 100 used coaches. We returned those coaches in the first half of 2018 to Daimler. We got paid for that. We had to do that at a discount because they wouldn't take them back dollar for dollar, we absorbed that.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

The new coaches only.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

The new coaches. The used coaches, we have been continuing to get rid of those and write them down and mark to market them every quarter. The other part of the Setra agreement that maybe is a little bit confusing in our business here is that we also sell spare parts. We agreed with Daimler that we'd continue to sell the Setra spare parts all the way to July 1 of 2018. As of July 1, we are in the process of packaging up parts and returning those to Daimler, but we're not able to sell them. That's had an adverse impact on our parts business.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

All right. Are there any further write-downs we should be expecting, Glenn?

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

On that, I guess it really depends on the market, right? We've written them down to the market level as at the end of Q3.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Which we do every quarter.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Which we do every quarter. If the market for Setra CPO continues to decline, we may see more, or we may see a leveling off. It's very hard to predict at this point, given the market for those units has been under pressure.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Okay. Fair enough. Just back to Shepherdsville. Yep. Go ahead, Paul.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Chris, just to be clear, we've got about 35 Setra pre-owned coaches on hand.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

All right. That's helpful. Thank you. Just turning to Shepherdsville, some early start-up costs booked in the quarter. I think the comment you've made is that should start to reverse and maybe be contributing to margin as we move further into 2019, as that facility matures. Is that still the right way to think about that?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Absolutely. I mean, look, it's a 300,000 sq ft facility. We've got 110, or whatever, employees on hand. We're implementing about 12 different production cells here. We've got a fairly substantial start-up cost. You got to get every part that comes through here to go to first article inspection and on and on and on. Those are costs that are not normal operational costs. Once we get full steady state by mid to late next year, we think it could be a very strong contributor to our performance.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Okay. Fair enough. Finally from me, maybe I'll just take a shot at it. ARBOC hit a number of key milestones in the quarter. Saw some nice orders, both for the Equess as well. It seemed like good orders on the low floor. Any early thoughts on volume or anything like that into 2019 and where you think you can continue to drive this business?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, that's a good question, Chris, we're really pleased. There's another dynamic in addition to volume. Just on the volume, we're really pleased. I think last year they were 340, 350, I think for the year. This year, we're forecast to deliver well over 500 units, which is the number we had targeted. It also has a mix dynamic, a very small cutaway versus a medium-sized cutaway versus now one of these Equess will have a very different margin profile. That's a new thing that we're going to try and get our heads around in terms of the average margin impact. There is a mix issue. As far as 2019, we're deeply in reviews of our budgets. As we did last year in the January orders and options release, we'll give the guidance for the year of all of the different products.

Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Okay. Fair enough. We'll leave it there and turn it over. Thanks.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

All right. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Cameron Doerksen. Cameron, your line is open.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Thanks. Good morning. I guess just maybe my first question, just on back to the motor coach market. You mentioned that, we know that the long-haul fixed route market has been a little softer in North America, maybe that's having some impact on pricing for those customers. I think in your presentation, you talked about that being roughly about 30% of the total market out there for motor coaches in North America. Can you sort of discuss what your exposure is there? I think maybe you've got a little bit less than maybe the average industry.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, that industry has been fairly healthy. We see the total number of units somewhere in the 2,400, 2,500 type range. Of the motor coach space, 20% of it is roughly public transit, that's very common and consistent with the way we approach our transit bus businesses. The line haul fixed route is about 29%, 30% of that market space. There was lots of noise in Western Canada, for example, about Greyhound pulling out it having a significant impact on MCI, that's not really the case. They have a big MCI fleet that we sell spare parts to, but we haven't sold a new bus to Greyhound in five years. That really hasn't had an impact on our volumes. The tour and charter operators are about 40 something% of that total motor coach space. They've been fairly robust.

There's been a couple of customers have some challenges financially. For the most part, it's been fairly stable, healthy. Pleased with the number of competitions, the number of bids we've got going on. The limo part of that world. What we're seeing in certain markets is the black car kind of operators moving up into the limo space. It's about 6% of the installed fleet. It continues to be fairly healthy. It's spotty in the cities that will use those kinds of buses. It's still 6% of the whole fleet. The last segment, which continues to be very healthy, is fairly small, but it's still a number of units, which is the employee shuttle. The Facebook and Apple and Google type operators in the Bay Area, and we now see them in the Seattle area and so forth.

The growth of employee shuttle using motor coaches continue to be fairly good. Overall, some of the dynamics in the line haul space has possible impacts on our business over the long term, but it really hasn't had a short-term impact on demand or pricing in our environment.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay, good. Maybe just second question from me, just on the aftermarket. You've mentioned the number of VMI programs that you've won year to date in 2018. I'm just wondering if you can, not just quantify, but maybe just sort of discuss about how material that might be as we go into 2019 on the aftermarket revenue and what the potential margin impact might be. I assume that those are maybe slightly, and I think you've talked about this in the past, maybe slightly lower margin percentage business for you.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, it's a really good question, Cam. It is very hard to quantify because we bid on this XYZ cities VMI. They put 10, 20, 50, 200, 1,000 part numbers on that contract. Of course, it's all a demand. It's not a guaranteed supply, but it's effectively like a standing offer that if they want to buy them, they buy them off that contract. In some cases, they have min-max levels that we replace on their shelves and so on and so forth. In many cases, the customers that we're now putting from a bidding quote type relationship now onto a contract relationship, it's hard to quantify how much will be incremental versus now contractually supplied to that customer. The margins is a little bit early to comment on.

We inherently or intuitively feel, hey, to get surety of contract, you may have to give a little bit in margin. At the same time, there's opportunity with many of those operators that we're already seeing where you have a contract for a certain basket of parts, and after they like that kind of replenishment type relationship, they ask us to add more parts to that basket. We've been very cautious to give too much color or guidance or insight into incremental volumes or margin impacts until we get a couple of years of these VMIs under our belt. We've been pushing VMIs for five or six years but haven't really been able to get much take-up. Ironically, now as we move into 2018, some of these larger customers that we've been talking to and working with are now actually putting the vehicle in place.

We're actually quite comfortable and excited, but it's too early to try and give any of that volume or margin type guidance.

Stephen King
VP of Strategy and Investor Relations, NFI Group

I think on the aftermarket parts on the VMI, obviously the parts business is pretty volatile quarter to quarter. We see that, you guys know that. Hopefully over time, we'll see the VMIs give us a bit more visibility in the parts space.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Right. No, that's great. That's all I had. Thanks very much.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Thanks, Cam.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Chiang. Kevin, your line is open.

Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Hi, thanks for taking my questions here. If I could just maybe go back to the coach margin commentary and questions. If I hold your margins flat from Q3 2017, it implies that your MCI margins might have, on EBIT or EU basis, might be down, let's say, 15%+ year-over-year. It sounds like there's been other mark-to-market stuff that you didn't specifically call out in the MD&A. I'm just wondering, if I were just to carve out all the stuff that, all the pre-owned coach issues you discussed, just on a new coach, what was the type of margin pressure you were seeing? It sounds like it's less than this calculated number that I have.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, yeah, as you know, every price and every contract is different. It's hard to say that you have pricing pressure purely on a top line. You have a number of issues that maybe aren't totally understood. The first issue is in the private world, for every 10 coaches we sell new, we take about six back in on trade. We've got to make a judgment of the price that we sell on the new coach, the value of the trade that we give to that customer. That changes daily, weekly, depending on the age of the bus and so on and so forth. The other issue is once we put those used coaches on our balance sheet, we mark to market them every quarter based on Blue Book values.

That can have, depending on the scale and scope in the market, the number of used buses for sale, the economy, and how many people want to buy them, the pace at which they're sold, has constant impacts on our business. The core pricing has not really materially been affected. It's kind of in the general category that we've seen over last year. The trade-in values, there is expectations from customers for a little bit more healthy trade-in values, which we've had to respond to. Then we've absolutely taken an impact on mark to market every quarter over the last couple of years on pre-owned coaches.

Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Okay. It does sound like maybe there's been an acceleration in the decline in the value of those pre-owned coaches in recent quarters. Is that a fair statement?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Yeah, I'd say that's probably fair.

Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Okay. When you think of that 10 to 6 ratio, does that pre-owned coach strategy change then, given what you're seeing in the market today? Do you look to take in less or maybe you're willing to give up some new bus sales if you think the risk of taking on pre-owned coaches becomes more acute here in terms of weighing on your consolidated profitability?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, absolutely. We do that every single day. We make the decision about how much pricing, how much trade subsidy, on all that stuff that we work on. The reality of it is, it's a macro market dynamic, and we've got competitors that will in some cases give higher subsidies today and lower subsidies tomorrow. It's not like there's a very clear thing we can point to. We've gotten way better now at analyzing the number of used coaches in the market and trying to come up with used market shares and who's got what inventories and what models and what propulsion systems and what features, and on and on and on. We have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400, 450 used coaches on our shelves at any one time.

We get into the fourth quarter, and just like the new coach dynamic, we have a number of operators trying to use accelerated tax to take advantage of the used coaches. What happens is, depending on what those are sold at, the next quarter, you've got a dynamic of the mark to market having an impact on your balance sheet. To summarize all that, the market continues to be roughly the same. It's down 3% year-over-year. We're not worried about that. There's mixed dynamic of the types of operators, some segments healthier than others, some segments.

The pricing hasn't been ridiculous, but there has been impacts on trade subsidies and mark to market that has had impacts over the last two or three quarters. You have us having the significant adverse impact of losing the Setra import or distribution rights, both on the new, the used, and the parts.

Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Okay. If maybe I were to pivot here on your buyback. You've been active, and you highlighted that in your quarter. When you think of where your leverage ratio is, I know, or you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you continue to look at M&A opportunities, given you're below your leverage targets and you're going to come off, let's call it, peak CapEx later this year, thoughts of using your balance sheet to maybe accelerate the buyback in the coming quarters getting your leverage ratio back to, say, somewhere in between the two to two and a half turns and using that capital to be more aggressive in repurchasing shares?

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Yeah. As Glenn mentioned, for sure, you're correct, you have seen that we have been using our NCIB, actually we made a bit of an error. There's 514,000 we did in the quarter, we've done 800,000 since the start of the NCIB program in June. Our comfort level with leverage remains unchanged. We're very comfortable in the 2 to 2.5 times range. As you point out, we're just south of that today. From a liquidity standpoint, there is for sure ample room to use that liquidity to share buyback if we so decide. Obviously, that's a decision we'll make as we go forward.

Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Perfect. That's it then.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

There's definitely no impediments to using the share buyback today.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

At the end of the day, Kevin, we are very transparent on the types of capital investments we're making to improve our business. We haven't been shy either on product enhancement, facility optimization, make versus buy fabrication. We're in the process of fixing and enhancing the fiberglass businesses and so on and so forth. We've used money in the past quite significantly, CAD 670-something million to buy businesses, we're continuing to look at those. As I said, we're not going to be rushing out and making deals for the sake of the deal. It's got to be right, it's got to be prudent and appropriate for our business going forward. Plus, we don't want to just buy an asset. We want to buy businesses that, just like ARBOC, that we think we can take somewhere.

The dividend is something we've continued to work on over the last couple of years. We're getting into a cycle now of kind of a serious review of the dividend around our AGM every year. In 2016, we went up 38%. Last year, this year, we're up 15%. We're dead serious about the dividends. The NCIB is a new tool. We've talked about it for a number of years. As Glenn said, we've been serious about using it. Not only is it good, solid utilization of cash and return value to the shareholders, but to getting our leverage back into that range of where we want to be and feel comfortable, we got lots of flexibility. Now with an enhanced credit agreement, the table's set for us to continue to grow and diversify our business.

Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC World Markets

I appreciate the color. Thank you very much.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Thanks, Kevin.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Harris. Steven, your line is now open.

Speaker 9

Thank you. If I can follow up on the balance sheet theme. You've taken your credit line up pretty significantly. We're looking at a market here where share prices, your own share price is down a bit, but a lot of your competitors are down even more, and potential acquisition targets are down even more. You've been buying your own stock back. There's obviously opportunities to do other things with cash. How should we look at all of that? Is the timing of the credit line increase just opportunistic based on dealing with the banks, or is it based on perceived need and optionality that you want to keep? What's your sense of the acquisition market given the changes in prices out there?

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

I guess I'll start off, Paul, you can fill in. I guess as we looked at the credit facility, we took as we stepped back this time around and really reassessed where our banking would sit at and where do we want to get to. I think we took the opportunity, given the health of the banking market, to really maximize our flexibility going forward in the future. Just things like, well, obviously the increase in size, expanding the leverage, not that we're looking to expand the leverage, but the CFO is much the bigger question I can have the better I sleep at night, so we'll do that every day. As you point out, we have the liquidity. We think our cash flow from our business has been strong. We expect it to continue to be strong, there's not a need for there.

Do want to be in a position where should an opportunity come up or should we want to use some of our cash to further our NCIB, we have that ability without putting our operation at risk to squeezing our liquidity.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

As far as the M&A, I'll just remind our investors, it took us damn near 3 years to be able to close on the NABI deal. It took us a year and a bit to get the MCI deal. Looking at privately held businesses, public held businesses have different dynamics. We've been very transparent and open that we're looking domestically as well but internationally. We're also continuing to work and be focused inside the bus envelope. That's been something that's allowed us to be fairly focused and strategic of what we're looking at. As I said before, we're not going to just rush out to try and make a deal for the sake of the deal. It's got to be right.

Having that credit agreement, having a strong cash flow generating business, having the confidence in the investors that the capital we've put in place in the past is fundamental to us. We're feeling like we're in a great place, and the fact that we had a bit of a soft quarter relative to expectations isn't, to us, the end of the world, is we're really comfortable with what we're investing in and where our business is. If we can find the right M&A to bolt on, we're going to do it.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. If I can turn to ARBOC. I think we've talked in the past about the low-floor cutaway bus as being a bus that would appeal to a broader audience, but it does come at a price premium to conventional cutaway buses, and that you were going to take a bunch of effort to see if you could get that price premium lower to the point where it could take greater market share, and then that would give you a reason to ramp up capacity at ARBOC. Where are you in that process? At what point do you think you become capacity constrained for manufacturing at capacity at ARBOC?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, as I said earlier, we're going to be north of 500 units this year. Wayne Joseph and the team have done a good job to help ARBOC think about facility layout as opposed to a glorified job shop now into production lanes. That's done and in place. ARBOC is living in the core RV and small bus capital of the world in Indiana, and so the supply base there is largely focused on RVs and has been, as we've grown our volume, has been a little bit unstable for ARBOC itself because their volumes are relatively small compared to RVs. What Wayne's been doing, and the team is starting to fabricate parts for ARBOC already in some of the New Flyer facilities.

We're building some parts in Anniston, we're building some parts now in Shepherdsville, and so we're working on the volume and the cost base in parallel. We want to make sure on this case that we don't ramp up volume and then really sacrifice quality or margins or performance. It's not going to be a light switch from 500 units to 2,000 units. It's going to be a nice, slow, steady growth. We're really pleased with the response from the market of ARBOC being part of New Flyer. We're really pleased with the new product, the Equess, that had really strong performance at Altoona. We'll announce soon here when we get the final positive Altoona report, so that's another major milestone. We start delivering those units at the end of this year.

Look, to us, it's absolutely doing what we wanted to do, and we're spending the time on it. The ability to make parts for us, we're hoping will reduce our cost base and allow us to be a little bit more creative on some of the competitive bids and dynamics, we'll just continue to execute on that plan.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you. I'll pass it on to someone else.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Great. Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Lamers. Jonathan, your line is now open.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Just a point of clarification on Shepherdsville's startup costs. Will any portion of that continue into Q4?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Of course.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Yeah, we're started. We won't have this operation fully up and running until.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, fully capacitized until the end of 2019. It's up and running

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

the full benefits are going to not happen until we get into 2019. Obviously, we're ramping up and continuing to ramp up, adding more people. There is obviously some startup costs associated with all that activity.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. I wasn't clear if it would just break even or not. Okay, thanks. Are you prepared to discuss the earnings contribution or payback for that facility? I believe in the past you indicated that any benefit would be offset by price pressure.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

we've continued to believe in our business case on that. There's been no change in that. The benefits that we see when we put up in the project, we think we are going to realize as we get it up and running. As you know, we don't give specific targets out there in terms of what we expect to receive, but we are on case to achieve our business plan.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

That's fine.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Which-

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Switching to production. The production in Q3 was unusually low. Could you just review why the downtime was unusually high in Q3? I know there was a little more summer shutdowns for MCI. You had quite a bit of activity there at the Winnipeg MCI plant. I'm just looking at the 2018 guidance, and that implies quite an increase for Q4 production on the transit and motor coach business versus Q3. Will you be doing any catch-up in Q4 following the shutdowns in Q3, or is there any other reason?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Careful about production versus deliveries, right? We run our businesses at certain production rates. In the New Flyer world, its deliveries can be hampered by inspection delays, there's always a bit of a time delay. Some customers are really efficient on the inspection at our plant, then we deliver it. There's an inspection again at the customer, those are the numbers that we record of deliveries. In the MCI world, we build for contracts like New Jersey, for example. The rest of that stuff we build either for a customer based on an order or a stock bus that we then sell as a completed unit.

We had shutdowns in not only MCI, but in New Flyer that are dependent on each of those production cells and cycles and locations that are planned summer shutdowns where we do some facility upgrades and forth, we work with our employees to have certain appropriate time off over that period of time. Absolutely, the fourth quarter on a little bit of ARBOC and motor coach definitely has this dynamic of seasonality that we didn't really see historically at the New Flyer facility.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Just maybe one comment on the shutdowns. As Paul said, it's really a delivery issue, but the plants are shut down for two to three weeks. Obviously, a good portion of our variable overhead, which is salary-related, they're taking the time off, that's not hitting our earnings. Does have an impact on our margins, though, because all that fixed overhead is not getting absorbed into the inventory and going straight to expense. We do see a bit of an impact in the third quarter because of those shutdowns and the fact that we're not absorbing our overheads like we would in a normal production period.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

I am backing out the implied production level for Q4 2018. I understand this is not something you provide in your disclosure, but I am getting quite a historically high seasonal step-up from Q3 to Q4 in production. My question would be, is there anything going on in Q4 that is a catch-up following the low Q3 level? Or should I consider that Q4 level indicative of kind of a run rate going forward?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Jonathan, our production rate does not change between Q3 and Q4. Q4 has lots of inventory, specifically in the motor coach case, that gets sold in November and December, and absolutely it is materially higher than it was in the third quarter.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

On a year-over-year basis, are you planning to sell down additional inventory in Q4? Or is that-

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Correct. Like we do every year.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

That's the case every year, right?

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah, sorry, that's why I was switching to a year-over-year basis. I understand that there's usually some sell-down seasonally. I was just wondering if there's any additional sell-down happening.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Traditionally, we would expect our lowest work in process levels to always happen at year-end. For sure, the deliveries is not only what should exceed the production in the Q4.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, thanks. If I could ask one high-level question. There's two competitors that seem to be adding capacity in North America. One building a new North American assembly plant and another, that as you know, built a large new plant in California and has been gradually adding equipment to that facility. Have you seen any change to industry pricing for transit based on the new bid activity? Do you have an opinion as to whether these capacity issues will affect industry pricing going forward?

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Well, the capacity of the transit industry in 2018 compared to, say, 2015 is higher, right? We've ramped up our capacity. Our friends at Nova have done the same. Our friends at Gillig, as you referred to in California, added a new factory and added their capacity. We have the new players in the space, like our friends at Proterra and BYD, that have relatively small outputs but are now new entrants. Is overall pricing in transit materially different in 2018 than it was in 2015? It's a little bit more competitive, but I wouldn't point to material changes in the pricing. In the motor coach world, yes, we have a new competitor that's announced, Van Hool, that they're going to set up in North America, and I believe factory completion in end of 2019 for deliveries in 2020.

Exactly what they're going to build, whether it be motor coaches or transit buses, is not totally clear. Have they affected pricing in our current world? No.

Jonathan Lamers
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you. Thanks for your comments.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I turn the call back over to the presenters.

Glenn Asham
EVP and CFO, NFI Group

Okay, thanks everyone. Thanks for your questions, thanks for listening. We've posted our updated investor deck on our website if you want to check that out. At any time, please feel free to reach out if you have any follow-up questions.

Paul Soubry
President and CEO, NFI Group

Look forward to talking to you after the fourth quarter. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.