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Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Nov 7, 2019

Operator

Good afternoon. I would like to welcome everyone to the Plaza Retail REIT Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time for you to queue up for questions. If anyone has any difficulties hearing the conference, please press star zero for operator assistance at any time. I would like to advise everyone that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Michael Zakuta, Plaza's Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, Mr. Zakuta.

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us on our Q3 2019 results conference call. We are legally obliged to tell you that today's discussions includes forward-looking statements. We'd like to caution you that such statements are based on management's assumptions and beliefs. Please refer to Plaza's public filings for a discussion of these risk factors. We continue to be very positive about our business. Our strong pipeline of deals is starting to deliver robust growth that will continue into 2020 as revenues from new developments and redevelopments kick in over time. Our niche of value, convenience, and specialty retail continues to perform. At the end of September, we attended the Toronto ICSC convention. Our leasing team met with over 70 retailers or their brokers. The retailers present at the conference were there to pursue deals, and we see continuing demand for space in our market niche.

Today's growth-oriented retailers are found in the following categories: value, grocery, pets, sporting goods, specialty businesses, QSR, restaurants, and fitness. Our leasing deal volume is solid, and we remain confident that these activity levels will continue into 2020. On our last call for Q2 results, we looked at a number of photos of projects under construction. Through the third quarter, we started to see the opening of new stores in these projects. For today's call, we have included some recent photos of new stores on our website. You can open the presentation by going to our website, www.plaza.ca. Click on the Investors' Relations section, then click on Financial Reports, and scroll down to Presentations, and click on Q3 Analyst Conference Call November 2019 Photos. The first slide shows the recently opened PetSmart, HomeSense, and Marshalls at our Galway project in St. John's, Newfoundland.

The second slide shows a new Dollarama at Galway. We move to Halifax, and the photo shows a new Value Village in a former Future Shop premises. We continue down the highway to our Halifax Bayers Lake property, where we replaced Home Outfitters with Giant Tiger and Canada Computers. Moving into New Brunswick, we then see a photo of our newly built Ren's Pets in Dieppe. In the next slide, we move to the Montreal suburb of Dollard-des-Ormeaux, and we see a photo of a recently opened Winners store. Moving off island to Laval, we then see a new freestanding Dollarama. Heading further north of Montreal, we see a photo of a recently opened Princess Auto, their first store in Quebec. Across the parking, we just opened a Quebec cannabis store in our Saint-Jérôme development.

Moving east along the 401 to Brockville, we see a photo of the recently opened Leon's in space formerly used as common area and small vacant enclosed mall stores. In Q3, we continued construction of new stores in Galway, as shown on the next two slides. The following slide shows the construction of a new façade on our Crispins property that we acquired last December. The construction of a new structure in front of the existing building is a creative way to transform a property's image. We have successfully used this transformation strategy in other projects as we greatly improve tenant signage and modernize the property's image. The next slide shows the construction of a Milestones restaurant in Moncton, New Brunswick. We move to Granby, Quebec, where we're building a small pad for Pizza Hut and easyfinancial. The next slide shows our Brampton redevelopment well underway.

We have constructed new building areas and are presently demolishing the old, out-of-date part of this center. We move to Mississauga, where we see photos of the MOVATI facilities under construction. This deal has been structured as a land lease. I trust that this illustrates that retail is still very much alive and that growth opportunities are available to real estate entrepreneurs. We continue to see opportunities where others do not. An active developer such as Plaza has a true advantage as we are constantly interacting with retailers, adjusting to changes in retail real estate. We are very active in pursuing opportunities such as the redevelopment of challenged, enclosed malls, recycling obsolete retail buildings. New developments following demolition of existing building or buildings and new development following land assemblies based on demand from growth-oriented retailers.

Our properties are typically smaller and very community-centric, attracting customers on a regular basis as they conduct their pre- and post-work routines. Plaza's tenant lineup feature value, specialty, and necessity-based retailers who require a local physical presence. We are confident that our value-add business model is poised to take advantage of current retail trends and will create significant value for our unitholders. I would like to welcome Jim Drake, our new CFO, to the call. If everybody will go easy on him. Jim, the floor is yours.

Jim Drake
CFO, Plaza Retail REIT

Thank you, Michael. In summary, Plaza's results for the quarter and year-to-date were impacted by a few items considered non-recurring. Namely, two significant lease buyout transactions and non-recurring general and admin costs. Excluding the impact of the lease buyouts, same asset net operating income, which excludes any expansions or new construction on same assets, was up compared to the prior year, 2.1% for the quarter and 1.6% year-to-date. Also excluding the impact of non-recurring items, FFO per unit was up as well, approximately 15% for the quarter and 6% year-to-date. The results show our recent developments, redevelopments, and acquisitions are having a considerable positive impact on our NOI and FFO. In addition, other income, which generally represents fees billed to our partners on co-owned properties, including leasing, developments, and financing fees on properties under development or redevelopment, is up notably over last year.

This is important as this signals that the related rental revenue from these additional developments and redevelopments will follow shortly. On asset sales, we sold CAD 19.6 million of non-core properties to the end of the third quarter at values above our IFRS values, generating CAD 11 million of cash. CAD 12.7 million of these sales were former KEYreit properties that had an underwritten value of CAD 11.7 million. We recorded another meaningful fair value gain on investment properties during the quarter due to a further decrease in cap rates, largely stemming from higher values on third-party appraisals received. Total fair value gains for investment properties year-to-date were CAD 19.8 million or approximately CAD 0.19 per unit of net asset value creation. These sales and third-party appraisals continue to show there is value in our assets beyond that recognized on our balance sheets under IFRS.

We continue our major refinancing program where we are refinancing and placing new mortgages, locking in historically low rates for long terms, and generating capital for our business. To date, we have closed on CAD 161 million at 100% of long-term financing for longer terms, better amortizations, and generally lower interest rates. This program has generated CAD 28 million of cash for Plaza, which has been used to reduce our operating line, thereby reducing operating line interest going forward. We are also currently working on CAD 49 million at 100% of long-term financing, which should generate almost CAD 7 million of additional cash for Plaza. As the market remains a borrower's market, we will continue to review our portfolio for financing and refinancing opportunities. Finally, under our normal course issuer bid through September 30th, we repurchased 584,000 units and we continue to repurchase units.

We believe this is a desirable use of funds, is accretive to FFO per unit, and in the best interest of unitholders. Those are the key points relating to our financial results for the quarter and year-to-date. We will now proceed to open up the lines for any questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question-and-answer session. If you have a question, please press the star key followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a one-tone prompt acknowledging your request. Your questions will be pulled in the order they are received. If you would like to decline from the pulling process, you may press the pound key. Please ensure you lift the handset if you are using a speakerphone before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Our first question comes from Jenny Ma from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Good afternoon.

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

Hi, Jenny.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Welcome, and congratulations, Jim.

Jim Drake
CFO, Plaza Retail REIT

Thank you.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Michael, you mentioned that there were some KEYreit assets that were sold. Can you remind us again, because you were selling some assets in a high volume in the past, but are these still part of that initiative, or are these sort of opportunistic sales of former KEYreit assets?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

I think it's a little bit of both. Some of it is opportunistic. Some of it was planned based on a lease renewal and us trying to manage a little bit of timing in terms of losing NOI.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

How much of the KEYreit assets would be left for sale over the next year or so?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

There are still assets that I believe will be sold. The numbers will not be significant. They will be less than what we've seen to date.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Moving on to the refinancing opportunity. The refi that you've done this year was at a weighted average of 3.9, which seems a little high in the current context. I'm just wondering if you can give some color on what we can expect for future refinancings and whether or not that 3.9 may have been weighted towards the earlier this year when the rates were a little bit higher.

Jim Drake
CFO, Plaza Retail REIT

It was weighted a little bit earlier this year. We did some blend and extends on existing mortgages that had a third of the term left. We had a slightly higher rate. Going forward, we'll see more market rates, which would be under 3.95 today.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. With a view, just because you're coming off a higher in-place rate, to really maximize the term you can get on these renewals?

Jim Drake
CFO, Plaza Retail REIT

Absolutely. We're generally very conservative on the mortgage front, so we'll take longer term over shorter term, subject to existing asset requirements.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Then lastly, Michael, have you had any conversations with Morguard following the announcement?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

Yes, we just had some very simple discussions, talking about what's gone on. I think that actually the newspaper article that came out after that was very reflective of our discussions, where they like our asset class, they like our management, they like the diversification of our geography, and they saw an opportunity, and they seized it. Nothing more than that.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Is the expectation that they'll remain a passive investor or do you expect them to somehow get involved in parts of your business?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

I think I see them more as an investor. If we felt perhaps that they could help us, I think they would be prepared to look at that. That has not been our discussion to date.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Fair to say the lines of communication are open and cordial?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

Yes, they are.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Again, if there are any additional questions at this time, please press the star key followed by the one key. As a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing the keys. Our next question comes from Sumayya Syed from CIBC. Your line is open.

Sumayya Syed
Analyst, CIBC

Thanks. Hi, guys.

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

Sumayya.

Sumayya Syed
Analyst, CIBC

Michael, just wanted to get your thoughts. Based on the potential of doing more collaborations with other REITs like you've done with RioCan in the recent past, and now with more of the mall owners looking to reposition and look at some large vacancies, are you seeing more opportunities to work with them?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

I think we're seeing a lot of opportunities to work with various players that can benefit from our experience and expertise. We're definitely seeing that. Does it mean large REITs? No, not necessarily. There are many property owners that I think can benefit from, again, our experience, our expertise in reworking challenged assets. We definitely have a lot of stuff ongoing, what would be joint venture-style deals. Just because, again, the owner is there, not necessarily looking to sell, but would like to see change to their property, and that becomes our role. Something that you'll see, I think, in the future, more JVs than less.

Sumayya Syed
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, great. That's helpful. Just to move on to, given the sort of recent interest for single-tenant type assets in the market, can you speak to the Shoppers assets that you own and maybe note any fair value changes or cap rate trends for just that slice there?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

I don't know, Jim, you have any thoughts on that? Yeah.

Jim Drake
CFO, Plaza Retail REIT

Yeah, absolutely. The Shoppers assets we have generally been relatively consistent on a cap rate basis. The stuff that would be closer to primary markets across our geography would probably see some minor compression in cap rates.

Sumayya Syed
Analyst, CIBC

Okay. generally in line with the seven cap for the overall portfolio?

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

No, absolutely not.

Jim Drake
CFO, Plaza Retail REIT

No.

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

No, we were running that at a lower number, and there's probably some difference between what we're showing and what the market will actually pay. We're obviously solicited on a regular basis from people looking to buy those types of assets. It's been our approach to date that we do not sell those assets. We think it's a really interesting portfolio. We worked hard to build it, and we think that the unitholders can benefit by owning it over time. We've been able to refinance some. We've renewed all the leases that have been due in 2019, and most of 2020 is renewed. We really like that asset class, and we think it's an important part of our portfolio.

Gives great stability to our business, and therefore, it's not something that we're looking to sell, even if somebody would pay us a big number at a lower cap rate than we're carrying.

Sumayya Syed
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Mr. Zakuta, there are no further questions in the queue at this time.

Michael Zakuta
President and CEO, Plaza Retail REIT

Thank you, operator. In conclusion, we continue to offer a very different real estate investment opportunity with our focus on very accretive developments and redevelopments. We are focused on growing our FFO per unit and our NAV. We will continue to recycle capital in order to fund our developments, and our per-unit growth will drive down our payout ratios in order to strengthen our business. We've consistently demonstrated our entrepreneurial abilities by adapting to changing market conditions in order to grow our business. Insiders hold an important ownership position and look forward to creating value for unitholders in the future. Thank you for participating in today's call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for participating. Please disconnect your lines.