Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to SECURE announces first quarter 2024 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you need assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Thursday, April 25th, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alison Prokop. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Welcome to SECURE's conference call for the first quarter of 2024. Joining me on the call today is Rene Amirault, our Chief Executive Officer, Allen Gransch, our President, Chad Magus, our Chief Financial Officer, and Corey Higham, our Chief Operating Officer. During the call today, we will make forward-looking statements related to future performance, and we will refer to certain financial measures and ratios that do not have any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP and may not be comparable to similar financial measures or ratios disclosed by other companies. The forward-looking statements reflect the current views of SECURE with respect to future events and are based on certain key expectations and assumptions considered reasonable by SECURE.
Since forward-looking information addresses future events and conditions, by their very nature, they involve inherent assumptions, risks, and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from those anticipated due to numerous factors and risks. Please refer to our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR + as they identify risk factors applicable to SECURE, factors which may cause actual results to differ materially from any forward-looking statements and identify and define our non-GAAP measures. Today, we will review our financial and operational results for the first quarter of 2024 and our outlook for the remainder of the year. I will now turn the call over to Rene for his opening remarks.
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased to report a fantastic start to 2024, with first quarter results meeting our expectations, allowing us to narrow our adjusted EBITDA guidance to CAD 450 million-CAD 465 million for the year. Our strong financial performance continues to underscore the stability and growth potential of our Waste M anagement and E nergy I nfrastructure business. During the quarter, we are extremely pleased to close the CAD 1.15 billion asset sale to an affiliate of Waste Connections. Proceeds from the sale transaction, as well as continued strong free cash flow generation, provides the corporation with significant capital allocation optionality for 2024 and beyond, facilitating our ability to execute on all of SECURE's strategic priorities.
With a solid foundation and clear direction, we're confident in our ability to protect the base business and seize new opportunities to create value for our shareholders. We also remain committed to enhance shareholder returns through our CAD 0.40 per share annualized dividend and share repurchases, all while maintaining low leverage. Over the past few months, we have materially strengthened our capital structure with debt repayment and financing. In February, we repaid the entire amount drawn on the CAD 800 million revolving credit facility and redeemed the Senior S econd L ien S ecured N otes due 2025. In March, we closed the offering of the 6.75%, five-year Senior U nsecured N otes with an aggregate principal amount of CAD 300 million. Net proceeds from the offering, along with cash on hand, were used to redeem the outstanding principal amount of the 7.25% Senior U nsecured N otes due 2026.
At March 31st, 2024, the corporation had CAD 264 million of cash and unused debt capacity of approximately CAD 750 million, subject to covenant restrictions, providing ample liquidity for shareholder returns and funding of growth initiatives. During the quarter, we repurchased and canceled approximately 12.1 million shares under the Normal C ourse I ssuer B id at a weighted average price per share of CAD 10.47, for a total of CAD 126 million, reducing our shares outstanding by 4%. The corporation repurchased an additional 2.8 million shares subsequent to the quarter end. We also paid our quarterly dividend of CAD 0.10 per common share, which currently represents an attractive yield of 3.5% on our common shares compared to peers.
Finally, today, we announced an increase to our expected capital spend in 2024 to CAD 75 million, up from the CAD 50 million previously announced. The increase relates to customer agreements for a produced water pipeline to a waste processing facility, as well as processing equipment for Phase 3 at the Clearwater Heavy Oil Terminal. We continue to have a solid pipeline of organic growth opportunities and will consider acquisitions that meet its investment criteria and enhance its core operations in Waste Management and E nergy I nfrastructure. I believe this is only the beginning for SECURE. We are well-positioned with the right people, the asset network, and financial flexibility to take us on our next phase of growth. As previously announced, I will retire as CEO on May 1st, 2024.
The leadership transition with Allen Gransch, assuming the role of President and CEO, marks the beginning of an exciting new chapter for the corporation. I am proud of what we have accomplished together and even more excited about our future. Allen Gransch's proven leadership capabilities, extensive experience, and diverse skill set will allow for a seamless succession and guide SECURE as it moves forward. I look forward to continue to support SECURE's strategy as Vice Chair of the Board. I'll now pass it over to Chad to provide some additional first quarter highlights.
Thanks, Rene, and good afternoon, everyone. Strong execution across all business units continues to underscore the stability of our cash flow generation capabilities. As the sale transaction with Waste Connections decreased the number of our overall facilities, this reduced most of our financial metrics on an absolute basis when comparing the first quarter of 2024 to a year earlier. However, thanks to our opportunistic share buybacks over the past year, we have decreased our weighted average outstanding shares in the first quarter of 2024 compared to the first quarter of 2023 by 8%. P artially offsetting the impact of the reduced number of facilities to our results on a per share basis. To be clear, we have not prepared any financial highlights on a pro forma basis. Corey, however, will provide some volume information on a pro forma basis.
Net revenue of CAD 360 million decreased 13% from the first quarter of 2023, primarily related to the impact of the sale transaction and the divestiture of two non-core oilfield service business units in 2023, partially offset by higher volumes and improved margins across the corporation's remaining infrastructure network. Net income of CAD 422 million, or CAD 1.50 per basic share, increased to CAD 367 million or CAD 1.32 per basic share compared to the first quarter of 2023. The increase was primarily driven by the CAD 520 million gain recognized on the sale transaction, net of the current and deferred tax expenses resulting from the gain.
Adjusted EBITDA of CAD 132 million, or CAD 0.47 per basic share, decreased 13% from the first quarter of 2023, or 4% on a per basic share basis as a result of the sale transaction. Fund flow from operations of CAD 108 million, or CAD 0.38 per basic share, decreased 21% from the first quarter of 2023, or 14% on a per basic share basis as a result of lower operating profit resulting from the sale transaction. Discretionary free cash flow of CAD 93 million, or CAD 0.33 per basic share, decreased 24% from the first quarter of 2023, or 18% on a per basic share basis, as lower adjusted EBITDA was partially offset by reduced spending on sustaining capital due to the reduced facility count following the sale transaction.
As the sale transaction utilized a significant amount of SECURE's tax pools, the corporation is recording current tax expense in 2024, the majority of which is expected to be actually paid in the first half of 2025. I'll now turn it over to Corey to provide some operational highlights from the first quarter.
Thanks, Chad. In the quarter, our facilities handled on average 114,000 barrels of produced water per day and 51,000 barrels of slurry waste and emulsion. Through our processes, we were able to recover over 315,000 barrels of oil from customer waste. On a pro forma basis, produced water volumes were up 11% from the first quarter of 2023. The increase was a result of higher same store volumes due to industry trends, resulting in increased water volumes. On a pro forma basis, waste processing volumes were up 3% from the first quarter of 2023 due to production growth, as well as increased drilling and completion activity, driving incremental volumes in certain regions. Across our landfill network, we safely disposed 940,000 tons of contaminated solid waste in the quarter.
On a pro forma basis, landfill volumes were relatively flat quarter-over-quarter, supported by disciplined drilling and completion activity and mandatory abandonment, remediation, and reclamation spending. Overall, ferrous metal recycling volumes increased 48%, due in part to incremental scrap volumes associated with project work, driving higher volumes to SECURE's facilities, as well as strategic investments made in 2023 and process improvements which result in improved operating capabilities and efficiencies. In our energy infrastructure segment, crude oil and condensate terminal and pipeline volumes were up to 115,000 barrels per day in the first quarter, a 23% increase from the same period in 2023, driven by the Clearwater Heavy Oil Terminal, which commenced operations in the fourth quarter of 2023. Turning now to our capital program.
Our CAD 75 million growth capital plan for 2024 relates primarily to brownfield infrastructure expansion projects to manage incremental production volumes for our customers. Major growth projects are backstopped by new commercial agreements, providing reliable volumes and recurring cash flows over the life of the contract. In the first quarter, we incurred CAD 11 million as we progressed our investment in the second phase of the Clearwater Terminal and spent some additional capital at our metal recycling locations. The Clearwater Terminal expansion is backstopped by both existing and new customers and will approximately double the terminal capacity to over 60,000 barrels per day. Construction activities are expected to be completed and the expanded capacity operational in the second quarter of 2024.
We also closed a small acquisition in our specialty chemicals business during the quarter, expanding our product offerings for fluid optimization within the water treatment, production, remediation, and drilling fluid chemical segments. Sustaining capital of CAD 8 million for the quarter related to landfill cell expansions, well maintenance, and asset integrity programs for processing facilities, and asset replacements for our waste management operations. We continue to expect to spend approximately CAD 60 million on sustaining capital in 2024 and approximately CAD 15 million on settling SECURE's abandonment retirement obligation. I will now turn it over to Allen.
Thanks, Corey. SECURE is looking forward to releasing our fifth annual comprehensive sustainability report and our second Task F orce on C limate-related F inancial D isclosures report in May, demonstrating our ongoing commitment to transparent reporting. These reports showcase the advancement we made in our ESG priorities in 2023. We are especially proud of substantial progress SECURE made in reducing our emission intensity, as we've experienced a decrease of nearly 13% on our overall emissions intensity from 2021 to 2023. We are on track to reach our short-term goal of 15% reduction over three years in our greenhouse gas emission intensity by the end of 2024. We introduced new technologies to ensure compliance and standardization of waste and recyclable documentation. We also continued to deliver on our commitment to supporting the communities where we live and work, through more than CAD 1.3 million in contributions.
...The solutions SECURE provides are designed not only to help reduce costs, but also lower emissions, increase safety, manage water, recycle byproducts, and protect the environment. In 2023, we avoided 28,000 tons of CO2 by recovering crude oil from waste when compared to producing the same barrel from extraction of virgin resources. Similarly, by processing scrap metal for recycling, we avoided 94,000 tons of CO2 when compared to creating the same ton of metal from resource extraction. Combined, this is enough to offset all our Scope 1 emissions in 2023. Additionally, we displaced 140,000 truckloads because of our pipeline infrastructure network, resulting in 13,000 tons of CO2 reduction of our customer Scope 3 emissions. The company's success is a testament to the hard work and dedication of everyone on the SECURE team.
As we look at 2024, some of our key objectives include progressing on our journey to net zero with ambitious safety targets, fostering our Indigenous partnerships with the completion of our Progressive Aboriginal Relations Program certification, and working to develop a protocol for carbon credits generated from recovery of products from waste, which will be a critical milestone in achieving our net zero by 2050. Turning now to the outlook for the remainder of the year, SECURE is extremely well-positioned for success with a strong industry backdrop, growth opportunities, and the financial capacity to execute on our strategic initiatives and deliver enhanced shareholder returns. With the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion scheduled to begin operations in the second quarter, our customers can gain takeaway capacity and stronger pricing with access to global markets, paving the way for sustained and expanded activity levels in years ahead.
We expect industry fundamentals will drive increased volume and overall demand for SECURE's infrastructure. With our waste processing facilities currently operating at 60% utilization, we have ample capacity to accommodate growing customer needs for processing, disposal, recycling, recovery, and terminalling, all with minimal incremental fixed costs or additional capital investment. Over the last quarter, the corporation successfully refinanced its long-term debt and continued to deliver shareholder returns through dividends and share buybacks, while maintaining significant financial flexibility. Given our positive operational results in the first quarter, the board of directors and management continue to believe that significant gap exists between SECURE's current market valuation and that of the peers in the waste management and energy infrastructure sector. In light of these factors, alongside ongoing initiatives, we intend to initiate a Substantial Issuer Bid next week as a key element of SECURE's capital allocation strategy.
I also invite you all to attend tomorrow's annual general meeting of shareholders. At this meeting, among other things, shareholders will be voting on SECURE's board of directors. I am pleased to be on the ballot for the first time with seven other highly qualified and experienced directors. Brad Munro, longtime director of SECURE, will not be seeking re-election at the meeting, and we offer him a sincere thank you for his 15 years of valuable service. Lastly, I want to wish Rene congratulations on his well-deserved retirement from management. Thanks to Rene's visionary leadership, SECURE has established itself as a trusted industry partner, showcasing remarkable accomplishments in growth and operational excellence. The corporation is extremely well-positioned to advance our strategy as a leader in waste management and energy infrastructure, prioritizing value creation for our customers through reliable, safe, and environmentally responsible infrastructure.
I am very privileged to be taking over as CEO at this time, and I'm excited for this opportunity for continued growth and innovation. I look forward to Rene's continued support as Vice Chair of the board of directors and working with him and the entire board to help guide SECURE into the future. That concludes our prepared remarks. We would now be happy to take your questions.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. First question comes from Cole Pereira at Stifel. Please go ahead.
Hi, afternoon, all. I just wanted to start on the SIB. Obviously, there's some questions around what the size and price may be. Can you just talk about how you're thinking about what the right level might be for most of these factors, whether it's, you know, a certain valuation multiple, a certain leverage that you want to be at after? How are you guys thinking about that?
Hi, Cole, it's Rene here. I'm sure that's going to be the number one theme until we press release our intentions, and those are great questions around the SIB. All we can tell you is that next week, we'll get that all figured out and take a look at a bunch of different factors that go into the various criteria and ultimately get signed off by our board of directors. But stay tuned. We'll press release it once we get it all together, and it should happen next week. That's our intent.
Got it. Fair enough. And then, so obviously, you're effectively debt-free now. The business is generating a lot of free cash. How do you guys think about what the right level of growth spending is for this business going forward?
Hey, Cole, it's Allen here. Yeah, no, great question. If you look at 2023, you know, we spent over CAD 100 million in growth projects, primarily in the Montney for water disposal infrastructure, and then our Nipisi Terminal, which is, you know, great economics and great growth projects. And a lot of our projects are a result of our customers wanting to work with us to partner up, to get their... Whether or not it's waste products into our waste processing facilities, or whether they want clean oil onto a mainline system, we're there to help them.
I think, you know, as we think about growth here for 2024, we just announced another CAD 25 million, and part of that is we're gonna complete Phase 2 for Nipisi, and we're gonna add Phase 3 , which will add some processing capacity, some treating capacity, to get a total terminal output of around 70,000 barrels a day. That'll be complete by the end of this year. So great, great growth project. We also announced that we're doing another Montney water disposal pipeline that's backed by an anchor tenant. And these are all very similar sort of take or pay and area dedication arrangements that we have with our customers. And, you know, as I said in the past, we'll come to announcing these projects when we've got signed agreements.
And when we do that, we'll roll out the project and what it relates to. We've been focusing a lot on brownfield growth expansion. Those are great return projects because you have your base infrastructure, and the more infrastructure you add, the higher rate of return. So my expectation here, you know, I think we spent CAD 100 million last year. I could see that number, you know, the CAD 75 million that we've announced so far, trending upwards to CAD 100 million. But again, that'll be predicated on when we get agreement signed. Some of it might roll into 2025, but ultimately, I'd say our hopper of opportunity is pretty robust. And when you have a strong backdrop in the sector like we're seeing, you know, more opportunities start to present themselves.
And so as those opportunities are vetted and we see where that infrastructure is added, again, we'll come to market.
Okay, got it. And then just one more quick one. Chad, you mentioned you'll be cash taxable in 2025. You know, any bookends you're willing to put around this in terms of, you know, a dollar amount, percentage rate, something like that?
Yeah. Hey, Cole. I think the best thing to do is, you know, our, our year-end note, we'll have a taxable income, and then I would knock that down for, for the divestiture and the, and the percent, or rough percentage of what, the cash flow we lost, for the divestiture, and then just apply that 25% rate. You know, but giving you ballpark dollar numbers, that's in the, you know, on a, on a go-forward basis, it's probably in the CAD 60 million-CAD 75 million range.
Okay, got it. That's all for me. Thanks. I'll turn it back, and congrats again, Rene, on your retirement.
Thanks, Cole.
Thank you. Next question comes from John Gibson of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, and again, congrats, Rene, on your stronger at SECURE and best wishes in your retirement. Just one thing that's kind of gone under the radar is your dividend. I guess when the dust settles on the SIB, could we expect a similar payout level for the dividend? Just obviously, this would imply an increase just given where your share count falls, too.
Hey, John, it's Allen here. Yeah, no, I think obviously in our capital allocation, decision-making, share buybacks and are really paramount. I mean, if you look at what we've done in the first quarter, we bought back over 12 million shares. We've used about 70% of that NCIB because we continue to believe the stock is undervalued, and it's a real value when you see what we transacted and sold in a distressed situation to Waste Connections. So that's a real discount, and so we've been taking advantage of it, and that's why next week when we come out and put out terms on the SIB, you'll get an understanding of what that looks like.
But, you know, as I go through the other elements of capital allocation in terms of growth, which we've now announced and there's a little bit of parameters around it, our balance sheet is in fantastic shape. You know, the deal that Chad restructured in March, I think sets us up well for the future here. So I do believe as the dust settles here and we get through Q2, we will take another look at the dividend and our current yield, because you're right, as we buy back stock, there will be contemplation. Do we, are we getting the value for the dividend, and what do we wanna do? Do we wanna increase it? But that will be our optionality, and I think we will take a look at as we progress through the year.
Okay, great. And then last one for me. Thanks for providing the pro forma metrics or volume metrics on the call, and obviously impressive to see the year-over-year increases. Could you maybe speak to what the drivers were more specifically? Was it more production volume related or more due to the infrastructure you've built over the past few years?
I think it's really... It's Corey here. I think it's a combination of both. You know, we saw steady activity through the quarter on drilling completions and production. So when you combine all those three together, you get those results of produced water being up 11% quarter-over-quarter. Our waste processing volume is up 3% quarter-over-quarter. We've been very successful on metal recycling project work, which has increased our 40% quarter-over-quarter. So I think it's just a little bit of everything and great execution by our team.
What type of organic growth does your guidance this year incorporate?
So we've announced, so down here, we've announced that the CAD 75 million, most of that capital will likely be spent throughout, call it Q3 and Q4, a little bit here in Q2. So the expectation is the contribution of EBITDA from that seventy-five will be added on to what would be our 2025 guidance. And as you know, because of our CAD 10 million above the numbers here in Q1, we've tightened our guidance range to CAD 450 million-CAD 465 m illion of EBITDA for 2024. So any of the organic, any of the organic spend and then contribution will be 2025.
Okay, great. Appreciate the color, ultimate, bye.
Thanks, John.
Thank you. The next question comes from Keith Mackey at RBC. Please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon. Just wanted to start out on the TMX expansion. So pipeline hopefully be coming towards the commissioning very shortly here. Can you just talk about your exposure to, you know, whether it's direct exposure or not, to the improved operating environment with this pipeline in effect? You certainly got some ability to store crude and looks like did some in Q1. Can you just talk about your revenue opportunity and the overall business environment, you know, pre and post the TMX expansion commissioning?
Sure. Yeah, you're absolutely right there. You know, we've always said that we'll optimize differentials and obviously help out our customers to get the best net price. And obviously, having the ability to store some crude in select months enhances both the customer's net price and our bottom line. You know, think of TMX as coming on. You know, you've got a lot of our customers who have you know indicated to us and shared some of those long-term forecasts. Obviously, when it comes to making sure they have the right infrastructure, you know, I think you'll be a little bit more aggressive in terms of bringing on new production.
Because, you know, let's face it, since 2008, we've been pipeline constrained, and so kind of opens the door for a lot of the volumes that maybe wouldn't have been as aggressively drilled to obviously be drilled, but also and new production come on. So what we're seeing in that, you know, Western Canadian basin is there's a lot of new startups, there's a lot of smaller companies that go under the radar. They're private, a lot of the times, who have a lot of land holdings and are starting to drill up with some of the new drilling techniques. And, you know, traditionally, some of these areas just weren't economical at that $70-$75.
Now, with the new drilling techniques, you're seeing them getting a six-month payback, three-month payback. And that just opens up a whole new door in terms of bringing new production and new waste and new water into our facilities. And the great thing about our network is that we've got pretty well most of Western Canada covered, where this drilling, this new drilling is happening and the new production, incremental production is coming on. So I think what you'll see, Keith, over the next three years is I think you're not gonna see a whole bunch of apportionment. And maybe there's a little less of the volatility and differentials, but you also have a customer base that wants to take advantage of that higher netback and actually bring on new production.
So all in all, we just think it's really positive for not only SECURE, but for our customers.
Got it. No, that's, that's very helpful. Thanks, for that. Just, secondly, on, acquisitions. So you've, you've talked about, potentially doing acquisitions, but sticking with your core competencies and, and things like that, and, and strict, strict return targets. But can you talk a little bit about your, readiness to be able to execute on, on anything you need? Is there any particular, new capabilities you'd have to stand up to be able to, evaluate potential deals and things like that? Or is that pretty much all, all, all ready to go, and now it's just a matter of, of, of finding the, the right deals that meet your criteria?
Yeah, Keith, you know, I think we spent so much time in 2022, you know, realizing the synergies. They were such low-hanging fruit. And then I would call it in 2023, we played defense because we were not only, you know, going to battle against the Competition Bureau, but we were also, you know, all hands on deck to, you know, try to get as much value as we can for these infrastructure assets, which, you know, ultimately very successful considering the distressed situation. So I now have a team of-- in my business development and M&A group that are really ready to go on to the next chapter, which is, you know, you got a great balance sheet and there's lots of good acquisitions.
I just don't think we've had enough time, you know, considering we just closed February 1, and there was lots of, you know, lots of things that needed to happen to make sure that was successful. So we're just now starting to get into, you know, what type of opportunities within our own core competencies make a lot of sense for us to transact on. I, I would think we have the current bench strength to go ahead and start vetting through acquisitions. A lot of them are what, you know, early days, you know, call it tuck-in acquisitions that, you know, kind of fit where the, the business is growing in terms of that, that waste management space. But I think as we get through 2024, we'll provide more clarity about what that looks like. But right now, it's really early days.
We're obviously focused on, you know, the capital allocation priorities here of just buying back our stock, 'cause that's the best return for our shareholders right now.
Okay, perfect. Thanks very much. And of course, Rene, echo all the sentiments on your career, and congrats in your quote-unquote retirement. Thanks very much. Have a good day, guys.
Thanks, Keith.
Thanks, Keith. I'm trying to go from 8,000 to 7,000 RPMs.
Awesome. Take care.
Thanks.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have any questions, please press star one. Question comes from Patrick Kenny at National Bank. Go ahead.
Good afternoon, guys. Thank you. Just on the EBITDA margins, so 37% realized in the quarter. Can you remind us, you know, within your financial guidance for the year, if you're expecting any material change in margins going forward? I mean, it sounds like, you know, higher customer activity with TMX coming on, offsetting any headwinds potentially related to tighter differentials. But I'm just curious, you know, with your new high-quality take-or-pay assets coming on this year as well, how we should be thinking about your consolidated EBITDA margins trending over the next year or two?
Yeah. Hey, Pat, it's Chad. Good question. We're very happy with our EBITDA margins, obviously, at 37%. We do think, you know, as we go forward, that the trend will be more in that mid-30% range, so around 35%. And obviously, we'll do what we can to obviously increase that. But, but I think that's— Over the longer term, that's, that's, that's what we're modeling today, and that's what we're seeing, and that's what we're managing to.
Okay, got it. Thanks. And then maybe just higher level, curious, if you could provide a bit of an update on your your overall strategy with respect to the metals recycling business. It looked to be a nice tailwind during the quarter, but just perhaps your outlook for ferrous pricing and overall demand for recycling services, and perhaps, you know, a bit of a look into what regions across North America that, you know, you might be interested in extending your your metals franchise.
Yeah. Hey, Pat. Yeah, you know, I think we've done a very, very successful job at getting the operational aspect of that business, turning inventory on a monthly basis. You know, we've upgraded some of the equipment purchases within our facility network. So we purchased 40 rail cars last year. We've got another 40 here on the table here for 2024, because a lot of the, let's call it CP and CN, aren't leasing cars anymore. So actually to have the rail cars, and these rail cars can hold 30% more. They're deeper, and they're a little bit wider, that allows you to actually ship more efficiently. So there's some operational efficiencies that we're gonna get from these new cars. So we have that as an advantage.
I know there's a bit of a trend from a decarbonization in how metal is actually creating on the ferrous basis. So a lot of the refiners are moving from these blast furnaces to arc furnaces, and arc furnaces just require recycled material. And so we believe the long-term outlook for metals is very strong. I think, you know, the demand for recycled material when refiners are only able to use that recycled material, I think will help create demand for that market in the long term. And so I think what we've done to set up the business is fantastic. We had some of the benefits of TMX and volume throughput through the facilities. We also work up in Fort Mac and help some of our customers up there manage some of the tailings pipes.
So we've got a steady state, volume that we see, and, given the demand and the backdrop, I think that, you know, you can envision, a scenario where metal pricing remains relatively robust here. So I think that business is set up for success, in the long term.
Too early to say what the, I guess, percentage of your overall business mix might come from the metals recycling business over time?
Yeah, I think it's too early. I mean, we've got pro formas all over the place, Pat. We just divested some facilities. Chad's running models all over the place. So I think give us a little bit of time for that one, and we'll, you know, we can provide as much clarity as we can on, you know, what that looks like in an overall waste management segment of the business.
Okay, great. Sounds good. And thanks to both of you again on your retirement, Rene, and your appointment, Allen. Thanks.
Thank you.
Thanks, Pat.
Thank you. We have no further questions. I will turn the call back over to Allen Gransch for closing comments.
Thank you for being on the conference call today. A taped broadcast of the call will be available on SECURE's website. We look forward to providing you with updates on SECURE's performance at the end of July after the completion of our second quarter.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating, and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.