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Earnings Call: Q3 2025

Nov 13, 2025

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the SmartCentres REIT Q3 2025 conference call. I would like to introduce Mr. Peter Slan. Please go ahead.

Peter Slan
CFO, SmartCentres REIT

Thank you, Operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our third quarter 2025 results call. I'm Peter Slan, Chief Financial Officer, and I'm joined on today's call by Mitch Goldhar, SmartCentres Executive Chair and CEO, and by Rudy Gobin, our Executive Vice President, Portfolio Management and Investments. We will begin today's call with comments from Mitch. Rudy will then provide some operational highlights, and I will review our financial results. We will then be pleased to take your questions. Just before I turn the call over to Mitch, I would like to refer you specifically to the cautionary language about forward-looking information, which can be found at the front of our MD&A. This also applies to any comments by any of the speakers made today. Mitch, over to you.

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

Thank you, Peter, and good afternoon, and welcome, everyone. Our comments on this Q3 call will be abbreviated so as to leave more time for your questions. For the third quarter, SmartCentres once again delivered across the board in rental lifts, NOI growth, FFO, and a strengthening balance sheet. On the property level, we are driving performance across all sectors: retail, industrial, residential, storage, and office, translating into higher occupancy, healthy same property NOI increases, attractive lease extension rates, and continued tenant demand for new build locations. With this demand, we are able to focus on high-quality covenants from national retailers who focus on value for all Canadians in our preferred categories of general merchandise, grocery, pharmacy, apparel, home improvement, sports and rec, financial services, and more, deepening our role as Canada's shopping center.

As we have said previously, the foundations of this positioning were laid many years ago, that is, to provide value and convenience to all Canadians. The third quarter performance reflects that belief that providing value and convenience is good business. While the business continues to grow organically and through new income-producing developments, we carefully manage our debt and debt-related metrics. In that regard, we have improved our financial flexibility with approximately CAD 1.1 billion in liquidity, 88% of debt being at fixed rate, and an unencumbered asset pool at CAD 9.8 billion, which Peter will speak to in a moment. Before that, let me turn it over to Rudy for some more operational highlights. Rudy?

Rudy Gobin
EVP, Portfolio Management, and Investments, SmartCentres REIT

Thanks, Mitch. Good afternoon, everyone. The third quarter was once again a standout in many areas and related operating metrics. Tenant demand for space remained strong, delivering high-quality income across all provinces, maintaining a leading 98.6% occupancy at the quarter end. In addition, this added demand allows us to make some upgrades to both retailer quality and covenant strength. Same property NOI continued its strong momentum with 4.6% growth in the quarter, ex-anchors, and 5.9% year to date, equating to an overall all-in 3.7% for the year thus far. With 5.3 million sq ft of space maturing in 2025, by quarter end, the REIT had already extended nearly 85%, with rental spreads of 8.4% excluding anchors and 6.2% all-in. Rent collections remained stable at 99% in the quarter.

Costco at Winston Churchill and 401, as we mentioned before, along with Walmart in South Oakville Centre, both opened strong shortly after the quarter end. While overall retail and demand for space remains robust, we did, however, book a provision in the quarter for one tenant. Overall, the REIT continues to grow, strengthening its cash flow and stability while reducing risk. We expect this momentum to continue through to year-end. Thank you, and I will now turn it over to Peter.

Peter Slan
CFO, SmartCentres REIT

Thanks, Rudy. As you've seen in our press release, same property NOI growth remained solid, increasing 2.6% for the quarter, or 4.6% excluding anchor tenants, as Rudy mentioned, mainly due to lease-up and lease extension activities, partially offset by the impact of a credit provision primarily associated with one retail tenant. Excluding the credit provision, same property NOI growth would have been about 50 basis points higher, or 3.1%. The change in FFO this quarter was primarily due to NOI growth, townhome closings, and the fair value adjustment on our total return swap. FFO with adjustments increased 5.6% in the quarter compared to the prior year. During Q3, we closed on 13 townhomes in our Vaughan Northwest project. This has resulted in a cumulative margin of about 22% for the project to date.

Subsequent to the quarter, we have also sold an additional eight townhomes, which are expected to close in Q4, bringing phase one of the project to virtual completion with 119 of the 120 homes sold. We again maintained our distributions during the quarter at an annualized rate of CAD 1.85 per unit. The payout ratio to AFFO continues to show improvement at 89.6% for the rolling 12-month period ending September 30, 2025. Adjusted debt to adjusted EBITDA was 9.6 x in Q3, unchanged from last quarter, but an improvement from 9.8 x for the same period last year, primarily due to continued growth in EBITDA. Subsequent to the quarter, we increased our liquidity through the issuance of CAD 500 million of unsecured debentures in two tranches. The blended interest rate of the two tranches was 3.96%.

The proceeds from this offering will be used to repay our Series X debenture upon its maturity in December 2025, as well as floating-rate debt on our operating lines. We also closed on a CMHC financing for our Millway Purpose-Built Rental Project and a portfolio financing on 10 self-storage properties subsequent to the quarter end. The weighted average term to maturity of our debt, including debt on equity accounted investments, is 2.9 years, or 3.4 years on a pro forma basis, accounting for those subsequent events that I just mentioned. As in previous quarters, we have updated our MD&A disclosure, focusing on those development projects that are currently under construction. As you can see on page 18, there were eight projects under construction at the end of Q3, up one from last quarter as a new self-storage facility is under construction in Victoria, British Columbia.

With that, we would be pleased to take your questions. Operator, can we have the first question on the line, please?

Operator

Certainly. As a reminder, if you'd like to queue up to ask a question at this time, please dial star one on your phone's keypad. The first question is from Sam Damiani from TD Securities. Please go ahead, Sam.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. Good afternoon. Maybe just to start off, maybe perhaps Rudy, for you is just the exposure to Toys R Us. I just wonder if you could comment on the remaining stores within the portfolio and how you view your potential having to backfill those locations and at different rents.

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

Just Sam. It's Mitch. Yeah. I mean, Toys R Us, hey. Yeah, we're all over it. Actually, it's turned into actually more of an opportunity, frankly. We have a lot of interest in the toys that we're getting back, stronger companies, more compatible actual users, bigger draws, and higher rents. So it's actually turning into, quite frankly, like that setback is turning into an advance. We're well along. To our least, and there's interest in the majority of the balance of them. Rudy, do you want to add anything?

Rudy Gobin
EVP, Portfolio Management, and Investments, SmartCentres REIT

Yeah. The only thing I would add is when we replaced two of our locations, we mentioned, Sam, a couple of quarters ago, we were doing that. We started getting calls, and we have a really good interest from, as Mitch mentioned, stronger retailers, stronger covenants, the grocers, the TJXs alike. We are not expecting that there would be any issues if and when we would have to execute on any of these, but it is looking better on an overall rental basis as well.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Great. Thank you. Maybe, Mitch, for you, just in the MD&A, the retail development pipeline for the next five years really, I guess, it did increase quite materially to 3 million sq ft I know it's just kind of a plan. It's nothing that's kind of concrete and pre-lease and all that, but what is the visibility, I guess, on the REIT constructing 3 million sq ft over the next five years of purely retail space?

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

I guess I think we've alluded to it in previous calls that we're sort of witnessing some increase in interest in our portfolio from the retail side of things. It is starting to move further along and materialize. That's the reason for the increase there. You also combine that with the fact that the residential side of things has slowed down. In some of the cases, the residential program was on what was going to be retail. When the residential was more attractive than the retail, we were inclined to, we were open to doing residential. Many of those properties are actually shopping centers and permit retail. Some of it is lands that we had considered for residential. Now we have interest from retailers. That's also part of the increase that you're seeing there.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. Does the increase include one or more greenfield new shopping centers?

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

That number does not actually. I'll say that we are anticipating some growth in our retail core retail business. That number is really on existing properties. I'll say it now, and it's just, I guess, a little bit of guidance or whatever you want to call it, that that could go up. The greenfields development potential, I would say, is something to look out for. We'll see. Still sort of earlier stages. In terms of just indications, there might be, yeah, there might be something up the road that we will be announcing or shedding more light on in the coming quarters.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Interesting. Thank you. Last one for me, just the Costco and Walmart that just opened. Did they contribute any FFO or cash rent in the third quarter?

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

Yes. Yes. I'll also point out, I don't know if anyone out there lives near the Winston Churchill and 401, you should go check it out. That's an example of what we were talking about earlier about the toys being replaced by certain other retailers. I mean, that was an old Rona. Rona's a fantastic tenant. Costco, of course, is a bigger traffic generator. If you go to the Winston Churchill and 401 project and just imagine what that Costco is doing for that shopping center, you'd also be able to extend the trajectory of that on some of the other comments we were making about filling the toys and certain other things that are going on that we're alluding to. Yeah, not quite in the position or ready to announce.

Sam Damiani
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

That's great. Thank you. I'll turn it back.

Operator

All right. Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to queue up to ask a question, please press star one on your phone's keypad. This question is from Dean Wilkinson from CIBC World Markets. Please go ahead, Dean.

Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Research, CIBC World Markets

Thanks. Afternoon, everyone. Mitch, thank you for the truncated open comments. I think I can say for everybody, we appreciate that. Just following along Sam's question on the developments and the development pipeline, you've got CAD 2 billion of PUD, maybe another CAD 500 million of identified capital that you've got to put in there. How comfortable are you taking, how high are you comfortable taking that number up? Over 20% of the balance sheet? Are you looking at some of those three- to five-year time horizons to have some developments burn off? Just trying to get a sense of how much you want to push the balance sheet on the development side of things, given you've got more properties under development than some REITs have entire assets.

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

Yeah. I mean, obviously, Dean, we're just monitoring all of that. We're never going to jeopardize anything. There's great opportunities. It's a big difference between residential and retail, especially high density. With the retail single-story stuff, mostly at-grade parking, and the income kicks in usually between 9 and 12 months. There's some pretty good accretion there. We just watch it and manage it in terms of timing and so on and so forth because the EBITDA kicks in pretty quick. A lot of it, as we were saying, is on-site, so there's no land costs, etc., etc. It's quite sensitive to we can do that. It's quite sensitive in terms of the metrics that you're referring to. We're just going to find a way to do it within all the metrics and being conservative with inside those metrics.

We just find a way to do it. The guiding principle, the guiding, yeah, first principle is to stay well within all the important metrics.

Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Research, CIBC World Markets

Okay. Great.

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

Not to give up the business. This is just a question of how we're going to get there properly. We're pretty confident we can find a way to get there.

Rudy Gobin
EVP, Portfolio Management, and Investments, SmartCentres REIT

Shorter development cycle over a longer one sounds like it would be more preferential.

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Research, CIBC World Markets

Okay. That's it. That's all I had. Thanks, guys.

Operator

All right. Thank you. There are no further questions in the queue.

Mitch Goldhar
Executive Chair and CEO, SmartCentres REIT

All right. I guess we are picking up on the theme. Thank you all for participating in our Q3 call. Please feel free to reach out to us at any time for any further questions. Until then, have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the SmartCentres REIT Q3 2025 conference call. Thank you for your participation and have a nice day.

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