Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to TFI International's second quarter 2021 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Callers will be limited to one question and a follow-up in order to get to as many callers as possible. Further instructions for entering the queue will be provided at that time. Before we turn the call over to management, please be advised that this conference call will contain several statements that are forward-looking in nature and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Also, as a reminder, TFI changed its presentation currency at year-end 2020, and all dollar amounts are in U.S. dollars.
Lastly, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded on Monday, July 26, 2021. I will now turn the call over to Alain Bédard, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of TFI International. Please go ahead, sir.
Well, thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining us, this evening. Today, after the market closed, we released our second quarter 2021 results. TFI International again generated very strong performance with each of our business segments demonstrating growth and enhanced profitability over the prior year. This strong performance reflects not only the strengthening economic landscape but our own favorable positioning in the transportation sector following the moves we made to navigate the pandemic and more recently, our game-changing acquisition of UPS Freight. Over the past year, despite unprecedented global challenges, we remain focused on what we do best. We get it right on the fundamental details of the business. We look to maximize efficiencies, and we seek strategic acquisition opportunities.
This approach to the business, which we adhere to regardless of operating condition, is aimed at increasing returns on invested capital, optimizing our free cash flow, and growing our earnings per share in order to create long-term shareholder value and return excess capital to shareholders whenever possible. Already, our recent acquisition of UPS Freight, now branded TForce Freight under the TFI umbrella, is outperforming expectations. This strong performance benefited not only from pricing, but our own focus on freight that fits, in other words, the right freight for our network. As a reminder, this acquisition we view as one of the most strategic in our history, turning TFI International into a top-5 North American LTL carrier. In addition to the leading position we hold in seven of our other operating segments. TForce Freight is already having a positive impact on our overall results, which I'll now review.
During the second quarter, our total revenue climbed to $1.8 billion, more than doubling from approximately $800 million the prior year, and even on an organic basis, reflecting very strong growth of 27%. Our growth has been driven by a powerful combination of both volumes and pricing and both B2B, the return of industrial demand and e-commerce. However, as you know, at TFI we're more interested in profitability than growth for sake's growth and are pleased to also report operating income just over $310 million, including a bargain purchase gain of $123 million on the UPS Freight acquisition.
Our EPS on a diluted basis was up 361% to $2.63 per share, and our adjusted EPS on a diluted basis was up 89% to $1.44. Importantly, our net cash from continuing operating activity was up 78% to nearly $300 million, and we view this strong cash flow as strategically important, allowing us to invest in our business and seek attractive external growth opportunities. It should also be noted that we are not adjusting these results for the transaction expense of $7 million related to the acquisition of UPS Freight, nor for the $5.9 million mark-to-market loss on our cash settled deferred share units or DSUs due to the rise in our share price during the quarter.
Combined, these two items had a $0.10 impact on our reported diluted EPS, while in the prior year's second quarter, our diluted EPS included a net $0.04 of one-time expenses. With that, let's take a closer look at the operating performance of our business segment, all four of which helped drive our overall strong performance during the second quarter. Our P&C represents 9% of our total segment revenue and saw a 44% increase in revenue before fuel surcharge versus the year-ago quarter. Operating income of $29.5 million was up an even stronger 80%, with the operating margin jumping 410 basis points to 20.3%.
This performance was driven by strengthening yield, for B2C and B2B activity, both of which benefited TFI.Next, our LTL segment, now our largest at 39% of total segment revenue, produced revenue before fuel surcharge of $625 million, relative to $114 million a year earlier, or excluding a $481 million contribution from the newly acquired TForce Freight, up 24%. Our LTL operating income of $203 million benefited from the previously mentioned bargain purchase gain of $123 million. Excluding the bargain purchase gain, operating income was $80 million, implying a margin of 12.8%.
The strong growth of this segment came despite a $9.7 million reduction in the Canadian wage subsidy as our Canadian LTL business grew revenue before fuel surcharge 26% with an operating ratio of 77.9%, while our newly formed U.S. LTL business generated revenue before fuel surcharge of $482 million with an OR of 90.1%. Next, let's turn to our truckload segment, which is now a smaller part of our business following the UPS Freight acquisition and representing 30% of total revenue and a 20% of operating income.
Revenue before fuel surcharge of $482 million was up a very healthy 42% year-over-year, while our operating income reached $63 million, up 24% despite a $9.9 million reduction in the Canadian wage subsidy, with an operating margin of 13% relative to 14.8% a year earlier. Taking a closer look, our U.S.-based conventional truckload operation grew revenue before fuel surcharge 29% with an OR of 92.7%, and our Canadian operation grew revenue before fuel surcharge 40% with an OR of 86.5%. In addition, U.S. truckload took on the UPS Freight truckload operation, which weighted a lot on our profitability. Specialized truckload also performed very well, with revenue before fuel surcharge up 55% as industrial markets rebounded and with excellent margin as well. Our OR for our specialized truckload was 82.6%.
Completing our business segment discussion, logistics represent 22% of total segment revenue and had a very strong quarter. Revenue before fuel surcharge more than doubled to $407 million. Our logistic operating income also more than doubled to $35.6 million, our operating margin increased slightly to 8.7%. Our logistics strength was driven by our same-day package delivery business in U.S. and in Canada and by the addition of TForce Worldwide. TFI International's balance sheet remains very strong and a pillar of our strength, allowing us to execute our growth plan both organically and through our disciplined acquisition strategy. During the quarter, we produced free cash flow of $268 million. That was up over 69%, we end June with a leverage well below 2x of our funded debt-to-EBITDA ratio.
Turning to our updated guidance for the year, we feel confident in our outlook, knowing that regardless of economic condition, our ability to further optimize the recently acquired TForce Freight operation is something we control. We expect earnings per share to be in the range of $4.50-$4.60, up from our prior range of $3.80-$4. We expect net CapEx to be in the range of $250 million-$300 million, and we look for free cash flow of $550 million-$575 million, above our previous range of $475 million-$525 million.
We also continue to expect our leverage, defined as the funded debt-to-EBITDA ratio as calculated in accordance with our debt covenants and as set forth in our quarterly MD&A, to remain below 2 x the rest of the year. In closing, the year 2021 continues to be the strongest in our company's history following our listing on the New York Stock Exchange last year and more recently, our pivotal acquisition of UPS Freight. Our continued success stems from already adhering to our principle, including our focus on the fundamentals of the business to optimize profitability and our cash flow. Our ultimate aim is to create and unlock shareholder value, returning excess capital to shareholders whenever possible. Well, thank you everyone for listening, and if you could now open the line operators, I'd be happy to take questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press the pound or hash key. Callers will be limited to one question and a follow-up in order to get to as many callers as possible. Again, that's star one to ask a question. Please just stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Ravi Shanker of Morgan Stanley.
Thank you. Good evening, Alain. Obviously excellent LTL quarter and OR there relative to expectations. As you said, you're running ahead of schedule. Can you help us understand how much of that was a quarterly seasonality OR and kind of how much you're really running ahead of your kind of short-term and long-term targets? Also, are you thinking of updating your targets on what the OR can actually be there?
Yeah. A very good question. You know what, Ravi, if we look at our Canadian LTL quarter-for-quarter, I mean, we're very stable. I mean, we don't have much of this seasonal, okay, instability that we see right now at TForce Freight. TForce Freight best quarter is Q2, right? Worst quarter is Q1. There's a lot of swing between, let's say Q1 and Q2 and Q3 and in Q4, which in our mind is not normal. For sure we'll be addressing that. Okay. Right now we look like champions because we report an OR of 90 in Q2, okay? We know that there's some cyclicality over there at TForce Freight that we're gonna be working on.
If I look at, for instance, at, you know, November is a slow month for us in terms of profitability, December, January. In our world of LTL, we never lose money, you know, never lose money in a month. In the world of TForce Freight today, the experience, if you go back and look at every years, you know, there's a few months in a year that the company was losing money. That's for sure. That's something that we're gonna be working on with the team. I'm very happy to say that we have a fantastic collaboration with the team over there in Richmond, lead by Paul.
I mean, it's really a great experience that we're having with these guys and this is going to be a great success. This company with the team that's there is going to turn to be a great success. In terms of attending, you know, better OR than the 90 that we did. What I can say on that, Ravi, is that now I believe that within the next, you know, few quarters, maybe three, four, five, six quarter, this company will be a sub-90 OR for sure. I mean, think about that. You know, in our Q2 in Canada, in a terrible market compared to the U.S., when you say terrible, it's terrible. We ran a 78 OR, right?
In a market, if you look at our statistic in our MD&A and the quality of revenue of our Canadian operation versus the quality of our revenue at TForce Freight today, which will improve over time, I mean, we run 78%. To me, can we do better than 90%? You know, six months ago when we did the acquisition, I said, "Guys, I think we could do 90% within the next few years." What I could say is that, "Guys, I think that we'll do better than 90% with the next few quarters." Right?
Very helpful. Thanks, Alain.
Good.
Your next question comes from the line of Thomas Wadewitz of UBS. Your line is open.
Great. Yeah. Wanted to, Alain, ask you about the just kinda tonnage and pricing trade-off that you made, and how you think about that evolving going forward. That's, you know, specifically it's about TForce Freight. You know, it's obviously a good market backdrop with the market so tight.
Yes.
How tonnage responded and how far along are you on the, you know, getting rid of the bad quality freight and pricing things up?
Well, you know what, I mean, in terms of getting rid of the freight that does not fit, I mean, for sure, I mean, we're working really hard with the team over there. You know, we can't haul a shipment with the revenue of less than $100. I mean, this is something that we are addressing. You know, all the accessorial charge that were waived because of whatever reason, we're looking at that. We're correcting a lot of issues, you know, where, you know, customers were probably, you know, taking advantage of the company. We're slowly correcting that, and at the same time we're working on the cost. Now, in terms of growing the volume, okay, I would say that our volume will probably be steady during the course of the next 12 months.
Because our goal number one is to haul only the freight that fits our mission, and our mission is to make money. We're not in the business of hauling freight just for the pleasure of hauling freight. This is the next 12 months is working on the cost, getting the new CapEx in, you know, training our employees, okay, with the new technology, with the new trucks, safer ways of driving a truck. I'll give you an example. When we bought the company, the trucks were running at 68 mi per hour, we did the study of our peers in the U.S., and we found out that everybody is at 65. Why run 68? Well, it's because, you know, nobody knows why.
We are working with the team there, and we are adjusting the speed of our truck to 65 to be safer on the road now. These are all the things. To get back to your question in terms of growth volume, I don't see that much. I mean, we're gonna be growing the profitability of the company by working on the cost and making sure that every piece of freight that we haul, we make money on it. We're not in the business of paying Paul for Peter, and then this is a loss leader, but we get this. No, no, no, that's not us.
I guess just to understand that a little bit better, though, how much of the freight did you actually have a chance to touch in terms of pricing? I mean, I would assume that would have a meaningful effect on the kind of trajectory of OR. Did you touch half of it or a large portion of it?
No, no, we haven't touched half of it. I mean, we bought the company two months ago. What we've been addressing is accessorial, okay? We've been addressing appointment freight. We've been addressing, for instance, we have a customer whereby we have about 400 trailers of freight every day for appointment, and this customer was paying a very cheap rate of $19 a day, okay, after five days. We've corrected that for $50 after two days, you know? And this customer is one of our largest customers, so we had to adjust the rate to be fair. If you ask me the question in terms of quality of revenue, we're just starting. We were just starting. I mean, we just, you know, we can't go.
I have to say that Paul and the team there, okay, they had what they call the Phoenix plan, where they've already started before we bought the company to correct certain situation. With us, we're just trying to accelerate that. This is not gonna be done over the next two months. I mean, this will take us probably more than a year to correct all these issues that we have with the freight that does not fit. Right?
Right. Okay. That 90 OR is done without too much work on the pricing, which seems to imply a lot of runway left. If I understand you right.
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Thank you for the time, Alain Bédard.
My pleasure.
Your next question comes from the line of Scott Group of Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Hey, thanks. Afternoon, Alain Bédard.
Yes.
I just wanna start with the guidance implies about $1.20 per quarter, and you guys just did $1.44 with only two months of UPS rate. Is this the typical conservatism that we typically get from you or anything else you want us to just be thinking about as we think about the back half of the year?
Scott, I mean, our motto at TFI is under promise and over-deliver. You know that. I mean, we're conservative. We're not liberals. See. I mean, what we want is to give what we think is attainable, okay. You know, attainable, but we'll try to do better than that, right.
Okay. Understood. Just want to clarify a couple things on the margin. When you talk about sub 90 within a few quarters, I assume you mean on an annualized basis?
Yes.
Also-
Yes.
Okay. Okay.
Yes.
Maybe just some thoughts on the truckload. U.S. truckload still at a 93 operating ratio.
Yeah.
What you want to do there?
Not good. No, not good. Not good. Don't forget that, you know, our U.S. TL that we got from our friends at UPS, I mean, we run 110 OR with this division. It's a disaster. I mean, it's just terrible. Greg Orr, which is a very, very great operator, you know, took on and we're working really hard on that. You, you should see us starting to improve, but it will take us some time. I mean, there's lots of contracts because what we got from UPS is mostly dedicated truckload operation. You're stuck with a contract. You're stuck with a deal that don't make sense. It takes time to correct that.
Our truckload operation will turn around, okay, will improve, but that will take a little bit more time because what we got from this acquisition is a lot of garbage in terms of contracts. Talking to Greg last week, he says, "Alain, we're signing new deals with customer, with sub 90 ORs, and we're gonna do well." This is like going back to 2017, Scott. When we bought our friend CFI, it took us eight months to clean the mess. I mean, we bought it in November. Yeah, more than that. We bought it in November, and finally, I think we cleaned up the mess, it was in October. Like 11 months. Now, I mean, we've been running the company for three months. It will take us some time, okay?
This is, again, it's a small part of our business. I think that the golden nugget of TFI today, the golden diamond that is not really polished because we just got it, okay, is TForce Freight. We've got the team. We've got, you know, the market is helping us for sure. I mean, the market is tight. That's helped. I mean, it's our timing is great for that to correct some certain situation. We have a great team, and we're gonna spend a lot of capital there to upgrade the facility, to upgrade the fleet, to train our people. You know, for UPS, this division was very small. It was an orphan. For us, you know, it's the most important division we have within TFI.
For sure, we're gonna spend a lot of time and energy working with the team there to make things happen as fast as we can. I mean think about it. We were surprised, okay, that, you know, we could come up with Q2 with something like a 90 OR. Going back to the question of Ravi, for sure, there's cyclicality within TForce Freight, so Q2 is the best quarter. Normally, Q3 is not as good, and Q4 is not as good as three, and Q1 is not great. We're gonna be working on that.
Thank you for the time.
My pleasure.
Your next question comes from the line of Jack Atkins of Stephens. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking my question, Alain. I guess just back to the broader point around taking the freight that fits. You know, you called out those-
Yeah.
Those, lower dollar I'm guessing smaller weight shipments.
Yeah. Yeah.
as some of it you're looking to really address. Are there other places within your network or portfolio businesses where that freight may fit?
Absolutely.
-an asset-based LTL or with the-
Yeah
Grounded Freight Pricing, can you talk about how you can still service those customers, even if it's not with an asset-based LTL?
Yeah. Yeah. You know what, Jack? This is a great question because, you know, one of the best asset we got when we bought TForce Freight is GFP. UPS did a fantastic job of creating that because when it doesn't fit an LTL, because it's too small, let's say it's two boxes on a pallet, it doesn't make any sense for an LTL carrier to take on because it weighs only, those two box, maybe 125 lbs, and the revenue is gonna be low, okay? So it doesn't make sense for the LTL. Us, we have the opportunity working with UPS Ground, if it's conveyable, right? It's gotta be conveyable.
If it's conveyable, then we have a discussion with our partner, UPS Ground, and say, "Guys, how about if you guys take it on?" I mean, for us, it doesn't make any sense. We are charging the customer too much, and if they deal with UPS Ground for those two cartons, they're gonna save money. We will make our margin on it, and UPS will make their money on it as well. It's a win-win situation. You're absolutely right. We have the opportunity for us to move some of that freight that doesn't fit us to our partner, UPS Ground. If it's not conveyable, that's a different story. UPS will say, "Well, I don't want it." Right? "It's not conveyable. I don't wanna touch it." We look at a different situation, a different solution.
Here comes our last mile guys. Our last mile guys could be another solution, too. I mean, although so far, we have not introduced our last mile guys yet. It's another card in the deck that we could play with our customers.
Okay. No, that makes a lot of sense. I guess just for my follow-up question, you know, when you think about the opportunity with that grounded freight pricing service over the next several years, how big could that be? Are there any constraints to growth there? Sort of how are you thinking about the opportunity set as you look out two or three years?
No, there's no constraints, Jack, because it's a win-win for us, and it's a win-win-win for UPS. I mean, we are significant customers of UPS with GFP, and it's a great thing. I mean, as a matter of fact, we're trying to introduce GFP in Canada. I mean, we're testing it now, okay? We get the support of UPS Canada in order to introduce this same kind of service, and then we'll see if we can have it fly in Canada, right? No, there's no constraints there because it's such a win-win for us and for them that this thing is gonna keep on growing. Absolutely. It's another diamond within the family of TFI. The LTL is a big diamond in the rough. This one is a smaller diamond, but it really looks really, really brilliant, sharp.
Okay, that's great. Congrats on a great quarter.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Alliger of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Yeah, just switching gears for a second on the parcel sector. Obviously, the shipment growth was strong. Yields were really strong. Can you talk a little bit about your views as we move into peak season, around the trends in package and courier?
Yeah. That's a very good question, too, because you know what? We're already addressing the situation with our customers where we have to do the same as UPS or FedEx. We have to put caps on our customers because, you know, we can't keep if you look at my growth Q2 this year versus last year, I mean, it was a weak quarter last year. I mean, it was like a disastrous quarter. If you look at my Q1, I was up 20. If you look at my, I mean, my Q4, I was up 20. My Q1, I was up 19. We could live with that.
Now going into Q3 and in Q4, I don't think that we are going to be able because now at three of 2020 and four of 2020, we were already really, really busy. Now, what you're going to see is us improving, with maybe not a +20, but maybe it's going to be more like a +10 or 15 in Q3 and in Q4 targeting volume. You'll see us improving the bottom line, the profitability again. Don't forget, last year was like Q3, and Q4 was like a tsunami, right? We got overwhelmed like everybody else with volume. Sometimes, you know, we had to service business where our margin was not the 20 points. As TFI's mentality and culture is that, guys, no. Let's readdress the situation because us win business for 20 points. P&C is 20 points.
It's not 10, it's not 6, it's 20. Even more in a busy season. If you look at my Q4 last year, I was a 19-point guy, if I remember correctly in Q4. If you look at now, okay, what we've done, I mean, it's fantastic what we've done in Q1. We were at 20 points in Q2. I mean, Q2 we're at 20 points compared to about 16 points last year, about a 400 basis point improvement. That's always the culture of TFI. What you can anticipate in the P&C is that, no, not 40% growth like we did in Q2 because it was really a dismal quarter last year. I mean, our B2B was shut down in April and May. B2B is starting to pick up. Yes.
You know, Canada is reopening slowly, but it's still not where it was pre-pandemic on the B2B side. B2C keeps on growing, yes. You'll see even more growth in our e-commerce with our last mile. Our last mile is really on fire in the U.S., and, you know, we made some changes there in our, you know, in our some of our leadership position, and you'll see us doing, I would say, miracles. Just look at what we've done in our logistics, which includes our last mile. Even with the addition of TWW, which was a 3%, 4% bottom line company-
We grew the revenue 100%, and we also grew the bottom line by about the same. I mean, these guys, our last mile guys and even TWW did a fantastic job. I mean, you know, when I look at what these guys are doing, it's unbelievable. I mean, our U.S. operation used to run single-digit EBIT. Not anymore. I'm telling you, not anymore, and now we're growing the top line, and we are a double-digit EBIT company now in the U.S., and we're gonna get closer to the Canadian operations profitability, I would say, probably within a year.
Okay, great. Well, thank you for that answer.
Pleasure, George.
Your next question comes from the line of Konark Gupta of Scotiabank. Your line is open.
Good afternoon, Alain, thanks for taking my question. Great quarter.
Thank you.
Maybe, I wanna kind of dig in to the TForce Freight a little bit more. Going back to the question before, I wanna ask you a little bit differently. Like what portion of that $3 billion business you got from UPS, you know, what portion of that business is satisfactory in terms of your yield and margin profile, and what portion is not? Like, can you split the two for us? That'll be great.
Yeah. If I understand correctly, your question is, you know, we're just scratching the surface right now in terms of the quality of revenue. What we've been able to do so far is address the major customers, certain major account. three or four major accounts that we are addressing, okay, in terms of freight that fits or rates that don't fit, et cetera, et cetera. On the quality of revenue so far, we've been doing that, and we've also been in a position to address accessorial, appointment freight. You know, freight that's too long, tailgate charges to customers, you know, that used to be waived and now are not. We just scratched the surface, okay? We're gonna go by wave.
More importantly, what is gonna come in the next, let's say, six to eight quarters is the improvement on the cost, okay. You know, this new fleet that we're gonna be improving, okay, is gonna reduce our maintenance costs. Well, so far, maintenance cost is the same because we have the same fleet as we had when we bought the company, right. Fuel economy is the same. It's the shit. It's bad. Why? We have the same trucks. On the cost side, there's some things that we need to do in order to reduce our costs. Now, what we've done so far on the cost side is we shut down about, I would say, about 30 fueling stations.
What that does is that you don't save a lot of money because the fuel is about the same price, fuel in or fuel on the road, but it reduces the risk of an environmental cost, and it also improve the way you could control your costs, I mean, in terms of leakage, in terms of not being able to control what's going on. The system at UPS Freight when we bought the company to control the fuel, I mean, was pretty weak, I would say, right? They didn't really focus on that. I mean, it's a global improvement, okay, on the cost side that we're gonna start. I'll give you another example. I mean, claims, cargo claims.
You know, in the mind of the team there, 1% of revenue was great, I mean, because they used to be 2. For us, we know that great is 0.25. This is 0.25 is great. We have a team working with them to address the situation, but this will take time because we have to address situation with our operation. We have to address situation with some customers. As an example, you know, we spend about $350,000 a month right now for spills. I mean, I fell off my chair when I learned that. I said, "What." She said, "Yeah, that's what we spend." "Impossible. No, there's a mistake." "No, it's not a mistake. It's reality." Now we are, you know, working with the team to address. This is not normal, guys.
I mean, what are we doing, right? It's the way you load the trailers, and there's many things like that. On the cost side, we haven't done much yet. What we've done yet is really address the low hanging fruit with certain customer, large shippers, okay? Address accessorial. We have a long way to go.
That's it for Alain. Thanks. One follow-up on the CapEx. If I got it correctly, you said $250 million-$300 million. I think seems like it's down about $50 million from your prior guidance for this year.
Yes. Yes.
Can you tell me what took it down? Is it UPS or is it something else?
No.
-in the business?
No. The problem we have is that, in our order, okay, the supplier of our trucks in the U.S., PACCAR, okay, is having issue and they had to delay some of the trucks that were promised in 2021 into 2022. Okay. All the trucks, the 1,100 trucks, we were supposed to get them by December of 2021. I don't remember the exact number, okay, of trucks, but some are gonna be overlapping to January and February of 2022. That's why you see less CapEx than what we said previously.
Makes sense. Perfect. Thank you, Alain. Good quarter again.
Yeah. My pleasure.
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Ossenbeck of J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
All right. Thank you. Hey, good evening, Alain. How are you?
Hey, I'm good, Brian. How about you?
Good, thanks. Just wanted to talk about the real estate footprint at TForce Freight. I know you have some terminals that you own, some that you lease, some that are probably in better locations than not, and maybe a few you wanna add. Can you just give us an update in terms of what that portfolio looks like, the ability to change it, and I think the long-term optionality to add some, you know, some different tenants, run some different businesses.
Yes
out of there.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's a, that's a good question. I mean, we're just starting to look at that. I mean, it's difficult for me to answer this question at this time. What I can tell you so far is that we got 12,000 doors, 10,000 that we own, 2,000 that we lease. In my mind, to do about 33,000-34,000 bills a day, you don't need 12,000 doors. For sure we got way too many doors, number one. Number two is, if I look at a city, I'll take the example of Chicago. I mean, to service Chicago, do you need four or three or four or five terminals? You don't need that. I mean, it's a nightmare for the line haul.
That's another situation where we're gonna be looking at, is there a way that we could service, as an example, Chicago with maybe two terminals instead of four? In order to do that, maybe is, well, terminal A in Chicago, well, can you extend that one with, I don't know, 50 doors? Okay. Well, yeah, it could be done. It will take time, okay? That we could shut, let's say the terminal that you have in another part of Chicago. All this reorg, okay, we haven't really started, but this is something that for sure it's really important to us. You know, down the road, okay, we have to find tenants. We have to find tenants for these doors. For sure, we're talking to other carriers.
We're trying to exchange information about what we have us today that we believe is available, what these guys are looking for. We're having some discussion with other carriers to help them and help us, right? It's a little early, Brian, to give you. It's gonna take me another, for sure, six months to have a better understanding. The other problem we have is because of COVID, you know, it's a pain in the neck to, until maybe just a month ago, to really travel and have a look at all these locations. I mean, we got 200 of them, right?
It takes time. We've done maybe so far, with our own TFI team, I would say maybe 20. We've hired a firm to do an inspection of all the terminals and come back to us with everything that is emergency in terms of repairs, the yard, the lighting, the lunch room, whatever it is. Our plan is really to have our major hubs, we have 12 of them, spick and span by the end of the year, by the end of 2021. That's our first focus. When I say spick and span, I'm talking about lighting, I'm talking about the yard, I'm talking about the lunch room, the restrooms. You know, you know, we're trying to bring this to our, to our team members, a sense of, "Hey, we are important.
They are investing in us. They are investing in the fleet. They are investing in our terminals. You know, this is really our first step. At the same time also, we're looking at, can we do something? I mean, my terminal in Palatine, Illinois, I got a 10,000 sq ft building there. I said, "Well, what are we doing with that?" Well, nothing. Okay, fine. We're gonna be selling that probably within the next 6 months, right? We don't need it. It's just sitting there doing nothing, empty, right? It's very early, Brian. Very early. We know that we have a very nice asset that we got from UPS. Those guys did a fantastic job in terms of the network, and us, we're gonna keep on improving it.
All right. Thanks for that. Maybe a quick follow-up on a short-term nature. Labor costs and availability, just in general, how do you see that progressing throughout the rest of the year in terms of, you know, the expense visibility and even just the availability? Do you think you're gonna be running into any constraints on growth, how do you foresee that playing out for us this year?
See, Brian, I said it. I mean, I don't see us growing this year in terms of volume. I think it's not possible. Number one, it's because, you know, we're looking for drivers, we're looking for dock workers as we speak, TForce Freight, which is unusual because, you know, historically, our turnover was about 12%. It's not a truckload operation. Even now, I mean, we had people retire when we took over. They, you know, some people said, "You know what? This is not UPS. Those are the Who are these guys?" You know? "You know what? I don't wanna know who are these guys," so they just retired. Okay. We're going through that now. This is why I'm saying I think our volume's gonna remain the same for 2021.
In terms of Expenses or recruitment, for sure this is something that we have to spend a little bit more like signing bonus and all this. Yes. In terms of growing our volume, no. Right now, our focus, Brian, is to grow the bottom line, not the volume, and we got a lot to do.
All right, great. Thank you for the time, Alain.
My pleasure, Brian.
Your next question comes from the line of Tim James of TD Securities. Your line is open.
Thank you. Thanks for your time, Alain.
Pleasure.
First question, I wonder if I could dig in a little bit more to the specifics on where TForce Freight really outperformed for you relative to the guidance from the indications that you provided at the time of the acquisition. It sounds from what you're saying about, you know, fleet purchases. It's not obviously on that front. Is this just a matter of you kinda got into the weeds with customers and got pricing updated more quickly than you anticipated? Or maybe just some additional color on what was better than expected.
Well, for sure. I mean, it's not really the cost. I mean, the cost, we haven't done anything yet really big on the cost, right? You're absolutely right. It's where when we start looking at it, okay, I remember my first meeting there in Richmond when we said, "Guys, I mean, you can't, you can't haul freight for $100. You can't haul freight for $50 a shipment. That's not us. We have to change that tomorrow." We start looking at that. They look at that every day now. This is something that we were able to do fast, right? We used to do about 1,500 shipments a day for less than $100 out of 33,000-34,000. Okay?
A shipment of less than $100, you lose your shirt on that. If you stop doing that, well, this is addition by subtraction, right? That's one example that we were able to do fast. You know, if you would have asked me, "Alain, do you think that these guys have shipments under $100?" I would have said, "No. Impossible. No, they're not doing that." Well, they were. And we're looking at the situation because, you know, sometimes, you know, a shipper pops up, okay, and you haven't seen him for three weeks, and now, whoops, he comes up with a shipment for $70 because we had an agreement with him, okay? You know, we have lots of agreement with customers. This guy pops up, so now we're addressing it.
That's 1 example, plus the accessorial that I've said earlier, okay, plus a few of those big account. Our largest account, we were running with this large account, 120 OR. I mean, what is this? Guys, what were we smoking when we gave the rates to this guy? July 1st, now this is not even in Q2, okay? July 1st, we address the situation with the shipper. All right? We address a lot of situation like that. When I say that this company will do sub 9 OR, I'm convinced. It's just I don't wanna say when, okay, because we're gonna be working against the cyclicality of the company, which to me it's unbelievable how cyclical this is because us, we don't have this kind of cyclicality.
When I look at their peers in the U.S., they don't have that much cyclicality. We're gonna be looking at that. This is why I'm saying this company will be sub 9 OR for 12 months within the next few quarters, maybe three, four, five, six quarters, for sure. You know, when we start looking at the cost and improving the cost, when we give them the tools like the trucks and this and that, so cost will come down, okay, quality of revenue will keep on improving and reduce the real estate costs if we can find other tenants to come in. You know, right now all the maintenance costs, and we spend about $3.5 million a month on that maintenance cost of our terminal network, which to me is just through the roof, okay.
We're working on now on correcting this situation, having ownership of the costs with our terminal managers. This is all ongoing. You know, we've started a tour. Paul and his team, okay, for the last two weeks have been touring our terminals. They've never done that. I said, "Paul, go and have a coffee with these guys so that they understand our plan, what we're trying to do." I'm getting reports by the team, okay, every terminal that they visit, they meet the employees and I get the feedback and it's really fantastic. Us in Canada, we've done that all the time. You know, a barbecue or a breakfast, you know. We've introduced that to them. They say, "Well, we'll do it in September." No, no. No. Why wait September? Do it now.
We're doing it now. This is our 3rd week that we're touring, okay? Our leadership is touring our terminals to talk about the future, to talk about what we want to do with our terminals, what we want to do with our fleet, you know, what we're doing with customers. I'll give you another example. Resi, residential deliveries. When you're a packet P&C guys, residential is fantastic. When you're running in downtown L.A. or in the suburbs of L.A. or New York, wherever, with, you know, an LTL truck doing resi deliveries, it's a killer. This is something that we're also addressing, you know? We don't like really residential. I'll give you another stupid example, COD. We're not in 1965, we're in 2021. COD, we're not gonna do that because it's a mess, right?
That reduces our costs, and we talk to the customer and say, "Hey, pay us with a credit card, but no COD." It's simple. These are all things that, you know, it's one penny at a time, you know, and, you know, squeeze here, squeeze there, correct this, correct that. We have a long way to go over there. I mean, again, I'm repeating myself, but if we can run a sub-80 OR in Canada, and believe me, the Canadian LTL market is not the U.S. I mean, it's a very difficult market, and there's a lot of guys that don't make a lot of money here in Canada with LTL.
If we're able to do sub-80 here in Canada, I mean, union or no union, okay, we work with our people and, for sure, like I said, we're gonna be a sub-90 OR within the next few quarters.
Okay. That's very helpful. Just one kinda follow-up question. Now, I assume the environment is very good for.
Yes
going to your customers.
Yes
having these discussions.
Yes.
I mean, are you finding anyone that's saying, "Look, we, you know, we're not prepared to?
Oh, for sure.
to accept your pricing.
Oh, yeah.
therefore they're walking away?
Oh, yeah.
As part of that question.
Yeah
you mentioned about flat or sort of relatively flat volume-
Yes
I said TForce raises here.
Yes.
That's not surprising, right?
Yes
part of your thinking, I believe, right?
Yes. Yes, absolutely. For sure. You cannot correct a situation, okay, whereby, you know, the customer is taking you, the advantage of you. For sure he's gonna say no, you know, and he's gonna walk. He may come back. Okay? This is why when I look at our volume, okay, we're about flat because we, you know, we win some, we lose some, but at the end of the day, we correct the situation of the quality of revenue, right? This is why the market for labor is really, really tight. To me, I'm saying, "Why am I gonna haul this freight and lose money when the market is so tight?" Forget about it.
Okay. Thank you very much, Alain.
My pleasure.
Your next question comes from the line of Jason Seidl of Cowen. Your line is open.
Good evening, Alain.
Hey
the P&C a bit here. you know, you sort of mentioned Canadians going back to work. You're obviously a little bit behind the U.S. in vaccination rates.
Yes.
How should we think about 2022 as you pick up more B2B type of business than we had in 2021 and then definitely than we had in 2020? How should we think about the margin impact there?
Yeah. Well, you know what? Historically, B2B, okay, has always provided us with better margin because we have more coincidence of delivery, okay, in a B2B world than on a B2C world, right? If you look on average, normally you say, well, you're gonna deliver one package to a home, so it's one stop, one package, so it's not really great. You know, with this growth in e-commerce and us also focusing more onto the high density B2C operations, for example, the downtown Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal. We were able to get our coincidence delivery about the same without the B2B, okay, because our B2B is still not back to where it was, okay?
We still have go somewhat do the same kind of coincidence of delivery, which is a little over 2.25, 2.5 parcel per stop. With the B2C. B2B in the fall of 2021 will start to come back to more normal, okay? Also some B2B will never come back because, you know, they shut down the store. What we anticipate is that our B2B should start to come back a little bit, but it's not going to be like a pre-COVID thing there, right? Some of our customers are not going to reopen. It's still difficult, okay? What we're seeing is, for example, one of our diamond in our P&C ICS that was really badly affected by the COVID thing there.
That's one of our major success of Q2, is that for some of Q2, ICS was very close to being back to normal. Not, not normal, but close. Let's say like 80%. We believe that in Q3 and in Q4, probably back to maybe 90% of what it was pre-COVID. The other 10, maybe it's lost, it's gone, right? That's why I'm saying that, you know, our P&C, which is one of our diamond, you know, it's gonna keep on improving, it's gonna keep on growing. We're investing, so we are building a new terminal in Winnipeg as we speak. Should open up early 2022. We're also building a new terminal in Barrie, Ontario, just north of Toronto. Should open in Q1 of 2022. You know, we're also reorganizing our Vancouver.
The way we cover Vancouver, we have two terminals in Vancouver, the South Shore and Burnaby. We are reorganizing that with our team over there. We're looking at what we're going to do in Toronto. We have one center in Toronto. In my mind, within the next two years, because of volume issues, we will probably have two sorting facilities in Toronto. We have three in Montreal, one sorting, but two satellites. I mean, this business is going to keep on growing, B2B coming back and keep on growing the B2C.
Okay. That's good color. I wanna switch on back again to the topic du jour here, which is your U.S. TForce Freight business. You mentioned the freight selectivity and accessorial charges were really what.
sort of got you, beyond
Yeah
expectation this quarter. Knowing full well that you've only owned it for two months, it's really hard to, you know, really redo a lot of existing contracts.
Yes.
How should we think sort of by the end of this year, so by the end of 2021, what % of the contracts do you think you'll actually have been able to get at by then?
Jason, I do not know that. I would say that not the majority. It is impossible because we are getting into the busy season. It is also, we went on the priority list, really the accounts that we feel that it does not make any sense in terms of profitability. To give you an answer on that, it is hard for me, but we are just scratching the surface in terms of adjusting to reality. If you look at the quality of our revenue in our MD&A, on our U.S. LTL, and you compare that with our peers in terms of average weight. For instance, our average weight is way too low. Why? Because we still have way too many small shipments. We will correct that over time.
You know, average length of haul is okay. I mean, it's comparable to probably most of our peers. If you look at the revenue per hundredweight or the revenue per shipment, we are behind our peers, the good peers I'm talking about, right?
Right.
That tells you that we have a long way to go still in correcting the quality of revenue.
I appreciate the time as always, and, good quarter. Thank you.
It's a pleasure, Jason.
Your next question comes from the line of Walter Spracklin of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Yeah. Thank you very much, operator. Good afternoon, Alain. How are you doing?
Hey, I'm doing well, Walter. How about you?
Good. Just on looking forward here, obviously the integration of the UPS Freight acquisition's going very well and perhaps better than you were hoping. I'm wondering if that now allows you to look forward to the next acquisition perhaps a little bit sooner than you would have typically, looking at your leverage now, it's still less than 2 x. Like I said, the integration going well perhaps clears your desk a little bit and allows you to look at a file that perhaps you were putting off a little later. Is that, is that a fair thing to consider, or are you still further out before you start looking at other deals?
I think, Walter, you've been dealing with me for too long, right? You understand the vision and the philosophy. What I can tell you is I need to look at Q3. Based on what I see in Q3, I could answer that. If Q3 is in line with what I think that the team there could do, Paul and his team, you're absolutely right. We will definitely look at our M&A situation much earlier than I thought.
That's fantastic. If you were to, let's just hypothetically, speaking and looking at the areas where you would like to see TFI a little larger or have scale, either Canada versus U.S., TL. I know you've talked a bit about specialized truckload as an area you've always liked. You know.
Yes
Could that be the area where you're gonna focus, or could it, or is it, or would it be somewhere else?
Well, you know what? We're a big fan of P&C, but there's nothing I can do on that, right? I can't buy Purolator in Canada, and I can't do anything in the U.S. Really, Walter, sectors that we really love is our logistics. Look at our return on invested capital, what we're doing there. We bought TWW at a very good price when you look at what our friends bought Transplace for. For sure, that's an area that we really love with Cal and his team. You know, you guys could see us doing something very, very interesting soon on that. You know, the truckload, the specialty truckload for sure, because we're small. The van division, yeah, we're busy right now because we have to fix this UPS truckload division.
I mean, this is Greg and his team, they're really busy at that. Maybe a small transaction, but nothing of size. What's left is our LTL. You know, like I said many, many times, you know, I should have been in the LTL much earlier than that in the U.S. I'm talking about here. We have a great partnership with Saia through our TST operation. You know, down the road, if there's an opportunity in LTL, for sure we're gonna look at it. You know, if there's a way that we could grow, you know, our LTL footprint in the U.S., because like I said earlier, we got lots of real estate, right? We probably have 30% of too many doors today, right?
Maybe LTL makes sense too, if there's an opportunity down the road. Don't forget, I mean, most of our significant deal is always something that we do ourselves. You know, we get in touch with the target, and we try to convince them that it would be good for them, you know, like we did with our friends at UPS. You know, it was a great deal for them, it's a great deal for us, so probably the next one will be something like that.
Appreciate the color as always, Alain, and congrats on a great quarter.
My pleasure. Thank you, Walter.
Your next question comes from the line of Ariel Rosa of Bank of America. Your line is open.
Good afternoon, Alain. Very nice quarter. I wanted to talk about some of the seasonality that you addressed.
Yes
In terms of the UPS Freight, obviously very impressive to put up a 90% operating ratio so quickly after acquiring the business. Given that seasonality that you've seen, is there a good way to think about what that OR might have looked like if you hadn't touched the business at all? Or kind of what the incremental impact was of the changes that you had made so far. Also, should we then interpret that seasonality comment as implying that historically UPS has kind of sat on a lot of idle capacity in some of the slower periods, and how you're thinking about addressing that?
Yeah. It's difficult for me to answer, you know, what it could have been if we would not have bought the company. I know that, looking at the trend, that UPS was working on, for sure, okay, they were gonna start making money, okay, with UPS Freight. I mean, Now, would they have run a 10-point OR in Q2? I don't know. What I could tell you is that the trend there already, the team at UPS was focusing on improving, okay, all kinds of things. Were they committed to invest the capital like we are? Maybe not, because those guys had different, you know, projects within their main business, which is the P&C.
In terms of adjusting, okay, the situation at TForce Freight, you know, when we look at that, as I was surprised to see how much of variation there is between one month to the other. For sure, their Q2 historically has always been the best. You know, also, you get to remember that GFP, okay, which is the contract between TForce Freight and UPS, is steady eddy. Okay. Really what happened is that the LTL operation per se was not making a lot of money, right. In the difficult months of, let's say, November or December, January and February, where it's winter, they were losing money big time, right.
Us, for sure it's gonna be our priority to try to understand, and immediately look at the situation and correct the situation so that we tighten up the costs so that we don't come up with losing money. I remember 25 years ago, I started with an LTL company, small, and they were losing money in November, December, January and February. This company today makes money all the time. It's, again, it's early. It's only two months. This is why, going back to Walter's question, I want to see what July is gonna look like, what August is gonna look like, what September is gonna look like, and see, are we really controlling more of this seasonality that happened over there in the past.
This is why when I said, "Guys, I think that, you know, this is gonna be a sub 90 company within the next few quarters on a yearly basis." Because I believe that we're going to improve the seasonality. Now, is it gonna be as close to perfection as we have in Canada? Probably not, okay? Because in Canada, we're more asset light in our LTL than our U.S. operation. I mean, for sure we will be improving. To me, losing money in a month, it's not acceptable, so we'll have to find a solution how we can, you know, remove that cyclicality that affects us so badly.
That makes a lot of sense, and thank you for that additional color there. Then just for my second question, you know, one of the things that's been a concern, I think, on the LTL side, certainly for a lot of U.S. investors who's been investing in, you know, union-based LTL companies and the obstacles associated with-
Maybe some of the work rules and that sort of thing. Maybe if you could give an update on kind of what you've learned so far or what your thoughts are with regard to that. You know, is that any kind of obstacle or do you not see that being a challenge at all, as you've now gotten a little bit more familiar with UPS?
You know, a unionized environment, there's a perception, okay, that if it's union is no good. To me, this is completely wrong because if you look at UPS is a unionized Teamsters company, and they do really, really well, right? If you look at our Canadian operation, it's most of our Canadian operation is unionized with the Teamsters, and we do really well. Our P&C business is mostly unionized as well, and we do really well. To me, I think that as we were surprised to see this perception in the U.S., okay, or maybe the excuse of some management team, they blame the union, okay. My feeling is that with the union, you lose for sure, you lose some flexibility. For sure, you may have issues with the pension costs, right?
Because, you know, a unionized environment, they're really strong on pension, okay, for the employees compared to a non-union where the pension cost is gonna be probably much less or maybe there's none, okay, versus a union environment. Yes, there's a little bit of cost, okay, that disadvantage and maybe also a little bit of work rule. We work with our contract, we work with our team. You know what? When I bought from DHL, the Canadian business, it was unionized, okay? They were running 150 OR. Today, it's still the same union, but we run a sub 85 OR and the same union. What happened? It's because we managed the company. We addressed the situation with customers. That freight that does not fit is not for us. You give it to someone else, right?
To me, the concern that some investors may have is, "Oh, I think he's a dreamer. You know, he No, nobody has done that, so it's impossible." Well, give me a year, give me two years, and you'll see we'll work with our employees. We'll work with our team, with our management team. It's not an excuse, the union. To me, it's a fact, okay? We live with it, okay? And we work with them, but we manage the company, though.
Got it. Understood. Thanks for that color, Alain, and very impressive results so far. Thanks.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Cameron Doerksen of National Bank Financial. Your line is open.
Yeah, thanks. Good evening. I guess maybe one question I have just on free cash flow. I'm just trying to reconcile your full year guidance with kinda what you have done so far year-to-date, which is like over $400 million. obviously, CapEx is gonna be higher in the back half of-
Yes. Yes.
-of the year. Is there anything else that we should be thinking about? 'Cause it seems to me that to the low end of your free cash flow guidance at $550 million.
Yes.
seems a bit low.
Yes. We're conservative, Cameron, so maybe I'm investing, You know, there's a little bit of M&A in there also, right?
Okay. That would be the big differentiator.
Yeah.
Is there any additional like tax?
No. No. No.
Okay.
Think about, Cameron, there's let's say in this forecast, there's at least like $75 million of M&A in there.
Okay. Okay.
Okay?
That's helpful. Perfect. No, that was my one question. Thanks very much.
Thank you, Cameron.
Your next question comes from the line of Bruce Chan of Stifel. Your line is open.
Thanks for squeezing me in here. I'll keep it to just one. Also on the CapEx side, maybe. Obviously, the lion's share is going to rolling stock, in TForce Freight.
Right.
You addressed some of the longer term, you know, infrastructure investments.
Yes.
Is there any significant work that you need to do in terms of the IT, you know, line haul management, load planning software, dimensionalizers?
Yeah.
part of the business in good shape?
Well, that's a very good question. For us to walk away from UPS IT system, for sure we'll have CapEx in 2022 and in 2023. If you ask me what's the quantum of that, I still don't know. The guys are working on it. The range could be from, let's say, $50 million-$75 million maybe. You know, it's very early stage. This would probably affect us sometimes in 2022 and in 2023.
Terrific. Got it. Thank you very much.
My pleasure.
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