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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Nov 6, 2020

Operator

Good morning. Today is Friday, November 6th, 2020. Welcome to the Toromont Third Quarter 2020 Results Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. Your host for today will be Mr. Michael McMillan. Please go ahead, Mr. Mike McMillan.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Great. Thanks, Elena. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning to discuss the results of Toromont Industries Limited for the third quarter and nine months ended September 30th, 2020. Also on the call with me today is Scott Medhurst, President and Chief Executive Officer. As noted in the press release issued yesterday, we will be referring to a package posted to our website, and we encourage listeners to download and follow along.

At this time, as noted on slide two of our presentation, I'd like to advise listeners that this presentation may contain forward-looking statements and information that are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that may lead to actual results or events differing materially from those expected. For a complete discussion of these factors, refer to our press release from yesterday, which is available on our website.

As is our practice, we will focus on key highlights for the current quarter. Scott will begin with a few general remarks, followed by comments on our overall results, after which I will provide some highlights on our divisional results and financial position. After our prepared remarks, we will be more than happy to answer questions. Over to you, Scott.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I would ask that you move to slide three of the package. We are pleased with the gradual improvement experienced over the last quarter. However, the operating environment is complex and still quite fluid. Our customers are understandably cautious, and as a result, overall business activities are still below last year's levels. From the start of the pandemic, our teams have shown their resilience and the ability to adapt to an ever-changing environment.

We are proud to continue to support our customers, keeping our employees safe while providing essential services and protecting the business for the future. During the quarter, we completed the transition of our operating system at our Quebec dealership branches. This was a significant undertaking, and we are very pleased with the outcome, thanks to the team's incredible effort while executing in a unique landscape.

With one common platform, we are now able to align our operations at the ground level and continue to leverage best practices, Go-To-Market approaches, and efficiencies across our territory. We continue to closely manage and de-risk our balance sheet with a sharp focus on inventory turns, collection of AR, and on aged assets. Our financial position remains strong with ample sources of liquidity. Expense reduction is a priority, but we remain ultra careful not to negatively impact our ability to meet future market demands.

While we have seen sequential improvement in our markets, there remains considerable uncertainty in the marketplace, and we expect the cautious tone to persist leading into Q4. Turning now to our financial results highlighted on slide four. Backlogs were CAD 472 million at September 30th, 2020. CIMCO backlogs were at near record levels on strong industrial booking activity in early 2020.

Equipment backlogs were lower on reduced activity levels, reflecting the cautious tone throughout the quarter. Overall revenues decreased 5% in the quarter versus last year. This improvement over the declines experienced in Q2, revenues were still below that of Q3 of 2019. Year-to-date revenue was down 6% to CAD 2.5 billion. Operating income was 1% lower in the third quarter on the lower revenues, partially offset by lower expenses. Cost containment strategies continued, sales-related expenses such as travel and other discretionary variables were lower.

We continued to incur some additional costs to protect our employees and customers, such as additional safety supplies, benefits extension costs, work-from-home practices, facility and field sanitation procedures. Additionally, we expect to receive CAD 7.3 million under the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy Program, which is based on revenue declines in the quarter.

CEWS was helpful adding to our focus on protecting our skilled labor and salary positions as best possible, managing with a balanced approach in the short- term, as well as not taking our eye off the long-term needs. Net earnings decreased 3% in the quarter versus a year ago. EPS tracking the reduced earnings was CAD 0.94 per share or CAD 0.04 below 2019. Moving to slide five. Given the challenging environment, we've included a look at the sequential quarter performance. Q3 results have improved from the second quarter as economic activity gradually phased in.

Revenues improved, however, new equipment sales remain relatively low, where rentals, used equipment, and product support showed the most improvement. Rental fleet utilization improved, which translates into higher margin operating income and earnings.

Product support activity is a function of customer activity and was better this quarter as customers were able to go back to work and site restrictions eased. Mike, I'll turn it over to you for some detailed comments on the group results.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Thanks, Scott. Let's put a bit more color on the operating results, starting with the equipment group on slide six. Revenues were down 5% in the quarter versus a year ago and 6% year-to-date on reduced economic activity. New equipment sales, product support, and rental activity were lower across all geographic markets and product groups. As Scott noted, we did see some improved activity during the quarter, but a tone of caution was evident and activity was still below last year's levels.

Cost containment strategies continued to be employed, including human resource initiatives and reduced travel and discretionary spend. New equipment revenues were down 16%, where used was up 37% in the quarter, down 9% and 18% respectively on a year-to-date basis, demonstrating the cautious tone that we have emphasized. Construction sales were down 10% in the quarter and down 3% year-to-date.

Sales into mining markets were down 16% in the quarter, 25% year-to-date across most regions. Material handling sales were down 17% in the quarter, 5% year-to-date. Again, mainly due to lower general economic activity. two bright spots included power system sales, which were up 36% in the quarter and 12% year-to-date, reflecting progress on prime power projects. Sales into agricultural markets were also up 7% with a strong harvest, year-to-date was relatively unchanged.

Rental revenues were down 11% in the quarter, 15% year-to-date. Most markets and segments were lower, reflecting the gradual phase-in of market activity. Light equipment rentals were lower 7%, power 31%, material handling 16%, and RPO rentals 43% in the quarter. That said, heavy rental in the construction market increased 10%.

Product support revenues declined 3% in the quarter and 6% year-to-date, with improvement, as Scott noted, in the third quarter as compared to Q2 as restrictions eased. Gross profit margins decreased 50 basis points in the quarter as lower product support activity levels dampened margins down 70 basis points, partially offset by improved sales mix up 20 basis points with a larger proportion of product support revenues to total revenues. For the first nine months of 2020, gross margins decreased 90 basis points, reflecting challenging markets in the second quarter of the year.

On the year-to-date basis, equipment margins were down 30 basis points, mainly due to sales mix. Rental margins, while improved from Q2, are still lower by 50 basis points than last year on a lower average utilization in the quarter, which is a drag on earnings against our straight-line depreciation model.

Selling and administration expenses decreased 100 basis points to 12.1% of total revenues and were down 13% in the quarter and 6% year-to-date, reflecting lower activity levels as well as cost containment initiatives that phased in from Q2. Governmental subsidies under CEWS program reduced expenses by CAD 6.5 million for the group during the quarter, totaling CAD 7.3 million year-to-date.

However, excluding these subsidies, selling and administration expenses were downward trending in both the quarter and year-to-date, reflecting lower compensation costs, discretionary spending, travel, and training. Bad debt expense was also lower in the quarter, but up prudently on the year-to-date basis, reflecting the current economic environment.

Information technology related costs also increased in both the quarter and on a year-to-date basis, CAD 1.1 million and CAD 2.1 million respectively, as system enhancements and support for integration efforts at the dealership continued. Let's turn to CIMCO on slide seven.

Revenues were down 7% in the quarter and 10% year-to-date on lower construction activity stemming in part from construction site restrictions, enclosures related to the pandemic. Timing of receipt of orders and customer-specific construction schedules also affect timing of revenue recognition. Package revenues were down 5% in the quarter. In Canada, revenues remained relatively flat during the quarter as an increase in industrial revenues were offset by a decrease in recreational revenues. In the U.S., package sales decreased mainly due to weaker recreational activity.

Product support revenues decreased 10% for the quarter and 4% year-to-date. With site restrictions and recreational activities limited, usual site maintenance and fall startup activities have not been possible and were factors in the quarter. Gross profit margins increased in both the quarter and year-to-date on good project execution. Operating income decreased 8% in the quarter and 20% year-to-date, largely reflecting the lower revenues.

Selling and administrative expenses were down 3% in the quarter, including the government CEWS subsidy, reducing expenses by CAD 0.8 million. Some additional costs are being incurred in this business to support the substantial backlog of orders, while other expenses such as travel and discretionary were lower. Bookings were up 15% to CAD 40 million in the quarter and 37% primarily on good activity in the industrial segment. Backlogs were healthy at CAD 216 million at the end of September, with industrial being higher in Canada and recreational higher in both Canada and the U.S.

Approximately 35% of this backlog is expected to be realized in Q4, subject to construction schedules. On slide eight, I'd like to touch on a few key financial highlights. Management of our working capital continues to be a focus area. Accounts receivable aging is monitored daily and trending well. DSO is consistent with prior years.

Inventory levels are also closely monitored, and our order boards have been adjusted in light of market activity. Accounts payable reflects the timing of purchasing and lower extended terms balances. As of September 30th, we maintained our strong financial position with cash on hand of CAD 471 million. Available liquidity of CAD 714 million. Good cash flow allowed us to repay our CAD 100 million draw on the term facility as well.

Our returns remain strong, and although impacted by contribution in Q2 and Q3 resulting from the pandemic, they benefit from the actions taken by our team to control spending and manage capital employed. The board also approved the regular dividend at a rate of CAD 0.31 per share, consistent with last quarter. On slide nine, we conclude with some key takeaways as we look forward to Q4.

We will continue to focus on our three key priorities as we have done from the start, protecting our employees, serving our customers, and protecting our business for the future. We continue to monitor the situation closely to evolve our business practices appropriately. Our disciplined operating culture, combined with the diversity of our customers and installed base, expanding product and service offerings, and financial strength, position us well to respond to business requirements and execute on our long-term business plan.

We appreciate our entire team's efforts and commitment to supporting our valued customers during this challenging time and thank our customers, supply partners and shareholders for their continued support. That continues our prepared remarks. We'll be pleased to take questions. Elena, back over to you to set up the first.

Operator

Thank you. If you have a question and you're using a speakerphone, please lift your handset prior to making your selection. If you have a question, please press star one on your device's keypad. If at any time you wish to cancel your question, please press the pound sign. Please press star one at this time if you have a question. There will be a brief pause while the participants register. Thank you for your patience. The first question is from Cherilyn Radbourne with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks very much, and good morning.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Good morning, Cherilyn.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

With respect to CEWS, the convention on the Street has been to exclude CEWS and look at results that way. The issue with that is that high-performing organizations would have made other cost adjustments in the absence of a CEWS program. Can you talk about how you're thinking about that internally and how you've been approaching that in discussions with your board?

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Sure. Let me start with that, Cherilyn. I think, like you say, we tried to be very transparent and disclose what we're seeing there. I think Scott made in his prepared remarks, we are very conscious of protecting our skilled labor, and managing that balance between what we need short term, being cost effective, but also, not taking our eye off the ball for the long-term needs of the business. Again, I think we have incurred other incremental costs, which I think are notable, too. I mentioned some IT costs, which we accelerated, which is a pull forward.

We have incurred things such as incremental PPE. We've bridged benefits for employees on temporary layoff, and we advanced training, and we've done a number of things, sanitization and so forth, that we're also very mindful, which are embedded in our results.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah, Cherilyn, it was helpful helping us continue to focus on protecting our skilled labor and other personnel in our business. We're trying to stay disciplined to our operating practices and ensure that it's a balance between making sure we're operating in a very tight, controlled environment and being conscious of our variable costs. Also, we are very attentive to protecting ourselves when an upturn starts, and we're just trying to be very conscious of that.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Great. We don't have a lot of history with the expanded Caterpillar territory, but bookings of CAD 371 million looked pretty healthy to me. Was that your take on it?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

I think it's acceptable in the environment we're operating in. Team did a nice job in there. I think we're proud of the team, and this is a unique landscape, but as Mike said, I think the team should be applauded because we also went live with our integration in Quebec with the ERP transition. That was no easy feat, and I'm really pleased and delighted we had no hiccups interfacing with customers. A lot of effort in there.

There's still a lot of effort and dynamics in play, but so far, we're pleased with that, and I think the team should be commended with everything going on, COVID impact plus an ERP. I think that was a decent result combined with bookings.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Last one from me. Your used equipment sales were quite strong. Is there any perspective you can give us there on how much of that was just great trade-ins, disposals from the rental fleet, or packages that your team may have sourced opportunistically?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah, good observation, Cherilyn. We were fortunate how the team positioned us with our used and having options for customers. Again, I think it's reflective of the cautious environment and the focus on customers' cash flows and things that we had some good value offerings with demo class. Our demo class was up over 35% quarter sales.

The teams were more opportunistic with the used purchase developments, and so that was up over 35%- 40%, I think. A combination of that with some rental fleet disposition and trade sales was combined for a very positive outcome on the used revenue sales. That was a good outcome.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Great. Thank you for the time.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

That's great.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Thanks, Cherilyn.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Thanks, Cherilyn.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Be safe. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Yuri Lynk
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Hey, good morning.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Good morning.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Morning.

Yuri Lynk
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Just wondering on when the new territory will be fully leveraging the ERP and what that might look like in terms of the financial results and what are some of the goals that you want to see once they get fully up and running? I'm assuming they have to be trained and whatnot on the new system.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Yeah, it's a good question. I'll start with that one, Yuri. We did convert to our operating platform the middle of September 14th, we completed that. As you mentioned, I think, getting them on one platform, getting the whole company. Just as a reminder, we did the Maritimes back in April, and so this brings the new territory onto our platform. We're in the process now of working through our next quarter.

As you can imagine, there are lots of process changes and some change management as the teams get used to the new environment. What it does do is it does give us very consistent visibility into the different parts of the business. It aligns a lot of the data, a lot of the accounting as well, and things like that as we get through the close.

As we go forward, it's an advantage. Certainly there are processes and changes that we are working through with the team so they get used to the new operating environment from their former one. Again, that's in support of our Toromont Cat business. We did convert the Battlefield rental business a year ago June, and so they've been well on that system and starting to see some of those benefits to help us grow that business as well over the course of the last year.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah, just, we've got a ways to go here. Once we plugged in and we're delighted with what took place there, but as you say, there's a lot of training. We had our branch model embedded last year, so that was good. Now we get to really focus on our operational excellence, variables that we believe we can leverage more and some of our best practices with our Go-To-Market approaches. I think we can improve on that and improve on logistics and things of this nature.

There's some heavy lifting to come, but the great part is it represents opportunity. Now we have to execute. The great thing is that we're plugged in and we're on a common platform. We still have one more event to go with material handling, but we'll get to that in Ontario next year. We're pleased and looking forward to executing on these opportunities from an operational and Go-To-Market approach.

Yuri Lynk
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. That's helpful. My second one, just on mining. Lots of interest industry-wide on autonomous hauling. Not something that traditionally fit the type of mining in your territories, but is that changing? Are you seeing any increased interest in autonomous hauling?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

We applaud Caterpillar and how they're positioning us in the marketplace there. Lots of dialogue going on on that front, and we'll see how things materialize.

Yuri Lynk
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. I'll turn it over there, guys. Thanks.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Great. Thanks, Yuri.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jacob Bout with CIBC. Please go ahead.

Jacob Bout
Analyst, CIBC

Good morning.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Good morning, Jacob.

Jacob Bout
Analyst, CIBC

I wanted to go back to the Quebec Maritimes. The integration of the ERP system is now complete. Can you just talk a bit about what is left as far as major steps in the Quebec Maritime integration?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Well, leveraging on an operational side, we look at our product support operational component, and now we have better visibility to the KPIs. When you're operating off two different platforms, there's some differences in there on how we were handling the flow of data and how we were managing some of the KPIs that we zero in on. Now we have consistency, and we'll have better visibility across the enterprise to these KPIs on a consistent basis operationally.

How we're managing our assets, right? It was, I'll use the word a little clunky at times and how we're working through that. I applaud how the team were able to maneuver through that. We're in a better position with how we're going to manage assets and our return on asset base at the branch levels. You get into the interface with the customers.

I think we'll provide more consistency with our approaches there, our logistics, some of the synergies. It sets us up. Again, we can talk about it, and I think we're making great progress. There's a ways to go, even with our heavy rents and power systems fleets. We can manage those more effectively. Now we've got to go execute, and we've got to prove it out more, but we're ready for that next phase.

Jacob Bout
Analyst, CIBC

Okay. Activity levels in Quebec Maritimes versus Ontario, do you see much difference in the quarter?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Well, what we are encouraged with on the rental services side was Quebec. We saw great improvement in Quebec. Actually, the utilization improved a touch quarter-over-quarter, so that was encouraging. Still have a ways to go because we want to get higher utilization in there. That was encouraging on our Quebec side and Maritimes. What we saw was that the markets improved in Quebec and the Maritimes as the quarter progressed.

We've seen a shift, and this isn't just in QM, it's throughout. A real shift with increase in small product sales activity. I call it your building construction products and compact. They were extremely active. I think we were up over 35% compared to previous quarter. That was significant relative to the larger iron activities we saw. Again, I think that landscaping area was very active, things of that nature. Still a cautious environment with some of the larger iron.

Jacob Bout
Analyst, CIBC

Okay. Last question from me. Equipment bookings are obviously quite strong. Mining was down 4%. Maybe just comment on levels of engagement and expectations for say, the next 6- 12 months.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah. Mining can be lumpy, as you know, on a quarter-by-quarter comparison. I think there's a caution mark. As you recall, in Q2, there was a major shutdown. Q3, I think it was about getting up and running, which took place. Production improved, activity levels improved, but still a cautious tone when it came to CapEx. We'll see how things play out here in the coming months in terms of activity on prime product sales.

Jacob Bout
Analyst, CIBC

Thank you very much.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Great. Thanks, Jake.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Michael Doumet with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Michael Doumet
Analyst, Scotiabank

Hey, good morning, Scott. Morning, Michael.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Good morning.

Michael Doumet
Analyst, Scotiabank

If I assume a gradual recovery in product support revenues through Q3, the quarter-over-quarter recovery, going from -16% to -3%, would imply that you may have exited the quarter in positive territory. Any way you can confirm that? If not, maybe just discuss the overall cadence.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Well, it improved, and we're pleased with that, but there's still caution in there. Again, here's how we've interpreted what's taken place. There was obviously some hard stops in there in Q2. End customers became very focused on getting back to work, getting up and running, and on all the segments we operate in. Understandably, that's where their focus was, and with less so attention to repairs. Our rebuild activity unit basis was down in the quarter, about 10%.

That's understandable because customers were focused on executing their jobs and getting back into production mode. Our WIP is down at the end of the quarter, which is always concerning going into the next quarter. I think it just reflects the environment we're operating in, and we'll see how things progress, where machine utilization's improving, and we'll see how things transcend.

We're in a cautious mode here with the WIP, and we'll see how. Again, we're very focused on, ultra-focused, I'll say, on making sure that we are preparing for an uptick in the product support side. Actual fact, we're back hiring techs, so that's the mode we're in. It's a fine line you're walking, right? We're focused on the future.

Michael Doumet
Analyst, Scotiabank

Great. Interesting commentary there. Thanks, Scott. Maybe just what you called out product support as the main area of gross margin pressure in this quarter. I don't think that was the case last quarter. I'm wondering here, if it's strictly volume related or if there's an element there of lower productivity due to social distancing or other measures. Just any sense of how to think about that going forward.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah, I think it's a combination of a bit of volume in the mix and what took place there. As I said, the rebuilds were down that sort of sums it up there.

Michael Doumet
Analyst, Scotiabank

Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Just, maybe correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think you flagged lower rental as a driver for lower gross margins in the quarter. I'm not sure if I missed that, were you able to offset maybe some of the lower utilizations with higher rates or lower costs or mix? Just what played a factor there that we didn't see it in the gross margin pressure?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

The utilization improved, but there's still rate pressures in there if you look at the overall activities in the fleets. Power was down on the revenues there. We had some shifts in there. It was a bit lumpy on a quarter-by-quarter comparison. There's pressures in there, but we were pleased with the uptick in the utilization between the rental services side. It's a competitive environment right now.

Michael Doumet
Analyst, Scotiabank

Yeah. I think to add to that, too. Michael, we did speak to the phase-in. I think it's important to understand the utilization rates on average, right? As it sort of phased in over time, activity improved. Going into July, we have a straight-line depreciation model that puts pressure on the margins for rental. You have to get to a certain point before you start to recover that fixed cost, right? Think of it as a bit of a blend from that perspective, right?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah. We had a bit of pressure in our material handling as well.

Michael Doumet
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got you. Okay. Well, thanks guys. Nice quarter.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Thank you.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Again, please press star one at this time if you have a question. The next question is from Maxim Sytchev with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Maxim Sytchev
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hi. Good morning, gentlemen.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Morning, Max. [crosstalk]

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Morning, Max.

Maxim Sytchev
Analyst, National Bank Financial

I was wondering, Scott, maybe if you don't mind talking about how you feel about the rental opportunity over let's call it the medium term. Is COVID changing the behavior of the client sort of permanently, or you think that we're going to be back to normal, whatever that means, over, let's call it, I don't know, 9- 12 months? What are your thoughts there?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Yeah. We're not in a normal environment. I think that Q3 we saw improvement. Just as an overall rental, if we look at our new RPO rental purchase option, there was a massive shift in there from a year-over-year basis where we've got a decline there over almost 50%. We had over CAD 90 million on rent coming in at the end of Q3 2019, and this year we're down significantly.

It just shows the environment we're operating in. I'd say still overall, we are still very much committed to this strategically. When we look at the dollar opportunity and the trends in rental, we're not going to slow down there with our approach. I'd say we're in a unique situation. We're maneuvering through it. It is a bit of a drag, but we're still looking at this as strategically a great opportunity, particularly with the expanded territory.

Maxim Sytchev
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Great. Do you mind maybe, I don't know if you have already done this work, but what are your thoughts in terms of rental CapEx for 2021? Is this just too early to even contemplate this?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Our teams are going through the planning process right now, and we'll have a better read on that in a couple of weeks. Mike, we were down... [crosstalk]

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Yeah. If you look at our notes and so forth, you'll see that's a big area for us in terms of how we curb our capital spend and just try to manage the fleet through this period, right? An indication would be that we are going to increase our CapEx somewhat, but it's going to be based on the business plan and what we see going into the year as we get closer. We'll look to optimize that, Max, as we get into the year.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

We'll keep [crosstalk] our disciplines in there, Max, relative to some of the aging where you have to stay committed to level investment, or you'll hurt yourself over the long term, right?

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Yeah.

Maxim Sytchev
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. That's very helpful. Curious to see, we've seen Ontario budget yesterday sounds pretty positive from an infra perspective. What are your large construction clients, what's the body language from those guys? Maybe any color on that end market, if it's possible?

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Well, I think that our tone with our customers right now, they're focused on just getting some work done that they have right now. I think it's all about timing and shovel-ready and how quickly things can materialize here. It's encouraging, but I think everybody's going to wait and see, and see what type of work is released and the timing.

Maxim Sytchev
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay, fair enough. The last quick one. Balance sheet is in extremely strong position and probably going to get stronger over the next 12- 18 months. Was wondering if you care to comment on capital deployment priorities over the time frame?

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Sure. Yeah. Great segue. I think, keep in mind, the team has done a tremendous job on working capital and CapEx, and we're in a good position. Again, what we are preparing for is just to have liquidity, and we're in a good position to help. As activity picks up and warrants, we will see working capital investment as things build. We anticipate that. Certainly on the inventory receivables side. We talked a little bit, our AP is down, and that's just commensurate with timing of purchases and some terms we had. CapEx is the other variable.

We are, I would say, from a priority perspective, we'll continue to manage our cash flow very carefully. Working capital will be the first draw. We have a number of initiatives for organic growth that will take priority on capital.

If the returns are there, we'll continue to push really hard on those metrics and challenge the team to drive those returns. Debt repayment, of course, we're in a good position at this point. We want to maintain that cash balance and liquidity depending on demand and where things go. Again, we're committed to our dividend and so forth and that sort of thing. It would be really operational care and feeding of the business as priority, and then have dry powder for the future, right?

Maxim Sytchev
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. That's fair enough. Thank you so much. That's it for me.

Scott Medhurst
President and CEO, Toromont

Thank you, Max.

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's question- and- answer session. I will now turn the meeting back over to Mr. McMillan.

Michael McMillan
EVP and CFO, Toromont

Great. Thank you, Elena. Thanks to everybody for your participation today. That does conclude our call. We wish you a great day, and please stay safe. Thanks again.

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.