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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Nov 5, 2021

Operator

Welcome to the TC Energy third quarter 2021 results conference call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing Star and zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to David Moneta, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks very much, and, good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to TC Energy's third quarter conference call. Joining me today are François Poirier, President and Chief Executive Officer, Joel Hunter, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Tracy Robinson, President, Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines and Coastal GasLink, Stan Chapman, President, U.S. and Mexico Natural Gas Pipelines, Bevin Wirzba, Executive Vice President, Strategy and Corporate Development and President of our Liquids Pipelines business, Corey Hessen, President, Power and Storage, and Glenn Menuz, Vice President and Controller. François and Joel will begin today with some opening comments on our financial results and certain other company developments. A copy of the slide presentation that will accompany their remarks is available on our website. Following their remarks, we will take questions from the investment community. If you are a member of the media, please contact Jaimie Harding after this call.

In order to provide everyone from the investment community with an opportunity to participate, we ask that you limit yourself to two questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our remarks today will include forward-looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reports filed by TC Energy with Canadian securities regulators and with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Finally, during this presentation, we may refer to measures such as comparable earnings, comparable earnings per common share, comparable EBITDA, and comparable funds generated from operations. These and certain other comparable measures are considered to be non-GAAP measures. As a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented by other entities.

These measures are used to provide you with additional information on TC Energy's operating performance, liquidity, and our ability to generate funds to finance our operations. With that, I'll turn the call over to François.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I'm told this is the busiest reporting day of the year, so we really appreciate you joining us on this very busy day. As outlined in our third quarter report, our diversified portfolio of North American energy infrastructure assets continues to perform very well. Society's unwavering demand for our services and the relentless focus our people place on operational excellence are reflected in our strong financial performance. Through the first nine months of the year, comparable earnings per share of CAD 3.21 exceeded last year's results by 5%, while comparable funds generated from operations totaled CAD 5.3 billion.

This is a very good outcome, especially considering the significant decline in the value of the US dollar relative to the Canadian dollar, which had a negative impact on our Canadian dollar-reported EBITDA. Given the strong year-to-date performance, we now expect 2021 comparable earnings per share to be modestly higher than last year's record results. We continue to advance our secured program, which now totals CAD 22 billion. This includes the $800 million WR Project announced earlier today, which will improve reliability and expand the ANR system. This project is similar in scope to the VR Project we discussed in the second quarter, and WR will upgrade compressor stations to Dual Drive electric horsepower, reducing our GHG emissions while ensuring natural gas backup in case of a power disruption.

Manageable in corridor projects like these are the building blocks in the modernization and decarbonization of North America's energy infrastructure system while maintaining reliability, and we expect to realize numerous similar opportunities in the future. Also of note, as part of its life extension program, Bruce Power recently launched an upgrade initiative focusing on asset optimization, innovation, and leveraging new technology. They call this Project 2030, and it has a goal of achieving a site peak output of 7,000 MW by the end of the decade, effectively adding the equivalent of a ninth unit at the Bruce station. Now, this is in addition to the major component replacement program we've been investing in and talking about on units three through eight. We continue to advance CAD 22 billion of secured projects, excuse me, including CAD 4 billion we've already added to date in 2021.

When you factor in the continuation of Columbia's modernization program, as we call Mod III, and the Bruce Power Unit 3 MCR, which is expected to be sanctioned before the end of the year, as well as the Project 2030 upgrade initiative, we plan to sanction CAD 7 billion of high-quality growth opportunities by the end of this year. Completing these projects on time and on budget will generate a weighted average after-tax IRR of 8.3% on these new investments, the full CAD 7 billion of sanctioned projects. This is toward the upper end of our targeted range of 7%-9% for projects that we sanction annually. Our secured capital program continues to be underpinned by cost of service regulation and long-term contracts, giving us visibility to the earnings and cash flow these projects will generate and are consistent with our long-held risk preferences.

Now, looking to next year and beyond, we expect many similar high-quality opportunities to come to fruition as we continue to reliably deliver the energy people need while decarbonizing our asset footprint. This includes the ongoing expansion, modernization, and maintenance of our regulated natural gas pipeline network, the refurbishment of another four Bruce Power reactors, and plans to use renewable energy to electrify a portion of our pipeline network, and you'll hear more detail on that later on. The RFI process we began in the second quarter for over 1,000 MW of renewable capacity to electrify our own load has had an overwhelmingly positive response. Negotiations have begun, and we anticipate completing the process in the first quarter of 2022.

Beyond that, we're also progressing initiatives including the Ontario Pumped Storage Project, the Canyon Creek Pumped Hydro Project in Alberta, carbon transportation and sequestration in partnership with Pembina, and clean energy projects with Irving Oil, and also large-scale hydrogen production hubs with Nikola. As a result, we expect to sanction more than CAD 5 billion of new projects annually over the next several years, and we hope to exceed that with risk-adjusted returns consistent with historical levels. Our team's origination capabilities were demonstrated quite visibly during 2021, and the opportunity set that lies ahead is vast. Now, in order to judiciously fund this attractive suite of growth opportunities, maintain a strong financial position, and enhance our conservative utility-like payout ratios, we have modified our near-term dividend growth outlook. We now expect to increase our common share dividend at an average annual rate of 3%-5%.

While our previous outlook remains affordable and supported by the strong performance of our business, we believe this modest change is prudent given the generational opportunity for growth we have before us. It will allow us to fund a larger portion of our future capital programs through internally generated cash flow, moderate our leverage, and continue to deliver superior total long-term shareholder returns. As you know, we are committed to delivering these returns while growing our business sustainably. That's why I'm proud that last week we released our 2021 report on sustainability, our ESG data sheet, and our GHG emissions reduction plan. These reports outline the next step in our sustainability journey with detail on our 10 sustainability commitments that come with 32 specific measurable targets we've set to support them.

This includes targets to lower our emissions intensity by 30% by 2030, and position the company to achieve net zero emissions from our operations by 2050. We also advanced our commitments in the areas of innovation, diversity, Indigenous reconciliation, and safety, which for us includes mental and psychological health. I'm confident that our talented team has the technical capabilities, the innovative mindset, and the commitment required to advance our work in these areas. I encourage you to read these documents, which can be found at tcenergy.com, to learn how we are holding ourselves accountable to protect the planet, empower people, and create shared prosperity. In summary, we are committed to our vision of being the premier energy infrastructure company in North America, not just now, but in the future.

As I've said on numerous occasions, we will achieve that by prospering irrespective of the pace or direction of energy transition. Our business decisions continue to support our goals to reliably meet society's energy needs while decarbonizing our assets. Looking forward, our CAD 22 billion secured capital program, which we expect to grow to CAD 25 billion by year's end, is poised to grow substantially over the years. As always, we will fund our capital programs prudently to maintain our solid financial position. Ultimately, our goal is to continue to grow earnings, cash flow, and dividends per share, and build on our long track record of delivering superior total shareholder returns. Now, I'll turn it over to Joel for some comments on our third quarter results.

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Thanks, François, and good morning, everyone. As outlined in our results issued earlier today, net income attributable to common shares was CAD 779 million or CAD 0.80 per share in the third quarter, compared to CAD 904 million or CAD 0.96 per share for the same period in 2020. Third quarter results include an after-tax expense of CAD 55 million related to transition payments associated with the one-time voluntary retirement program offered to eligible employees earlier this year and CAD 11 million after-tax charge associated with Keystone XL preservation and other costs. Corresponding period in 2020 also included certain specific items as outlined on the slide and discussed further in our third quarter 2021 report. These specific items, as well as unrealized gains and losses from changes in risk management activities, are excluded from comparable earnings.

Comparable earnings for the third quarter were CAD 972 million or CAD 0.99 per common share, compared to CAD 893 million or CAD 0.95 per common share in 2020. Year to date, comparable earnings per common share are up 5%, supported by the strong underlying performance of our business. Turning to our business segment results on slide 11. In the third quarter, comparable EBITDA from our five operating segments of CAD 2.2 billion was similar to 2020, despite strong currency translation headwinds. Detailed variance explanations in each business unit can be found in our third quarter 2021 report, but I will comment on a few significant changes year-over-year.

Canadian Gas Pipelines comparable EBITDA of CAD 631 million, with CAD 35 million lower than third quarter 2020 mainly due to decreased flow-through depreciation following the full depreciation of one section of the Canadian Mainline, as well as lower pull-through financial charges, partially offset by higher incentive earnings. The cessation of depreciation does not impact net income, which increased by CAD 12 million for the Canadian Mainline. U.S. Gas Pipelines comparable EBITDA increased by $59 million - $706 million compared to the third quarter 2020, primarily due to an increase in earnings from Columbia Gas following its application for higher transportation rates effective February 1, 2021, and the resulting settlement that was filed with the FERC on October 29. We anticipate FERC approval of the settlement during Q1 2022.

Liquids Pipelines comparable EBITDA declined by CAD 28 million - CAD 387 million in the third quarter due to reduced contributions from liquids marketing activities, primarily due to lower margins. Power and Storage comparable EBITDA in the third quarter fell by CAD 19 million, primarily due to lower earnings at Bruce Power due to greater planned outage days and higher operating expenses, partially offset by higher realized power prices. For all our businesses with US dollar-denominated income, including U.S. and Mexico gas pipelines and parts of liquids pipelines, EBITDA was translated into Canadian dollars using an average exchange rate of 1.26 in third quarter 2021 compared to 1.33 for the same period in 2020. While overall US dollar-denominated comparable EBITDA increased by $53 million, the year-over-year weakening of the currency was a considerable drag on comparative 2021 Canadian dollar-reported EBITDA.

That said, the corresponding impact on comparable earnings was not significant as their US dollar-denominated revenue streams are in part naturally hedged, with the residual exposure actively managed on a rolling two year forward basis. Now turning to slide 12. I'll speak to a few of the primary variances below EBITDA. Depreciation and amortization was CAD 63 million lower compared to third quarter 2020, primarily due to one section of the Canadian Mainline being fully depreciated. Interest expense included in comparable earnings was CAD 37 million higher year-over-year, largely due to the cessation of capitalized interest for the Keystone XL Pipeline project. Comparable interest income and other rose CAD 59 million in the third quarter, mainly due to realized gains in 2021 compared to realized losses in 2020 on derivatives used to manage our net exposure to foreign exchange rate movements on US dollar-denominated income.

Income tax expense included in comparable earnings for the third quarter was similar to 2020. Excluding Canadian rate-regulated pipelines, where income taxes are a flow-through item and thus quite variable, along with equity AFUDC income in U.S. gas pipelines, we continue to expect our 2021 full-year normalized tax rate to be in the mid to high teens. Comparable net income attributable to non-controlling interests decreased by CAD 61 million relative to the same period last year, primarily as a result of the TC PipeLines, LP buy-in completed early this year. Now turning to slide 13. During the third quarter, comparable funds generated from operations totaled CAD 1.6 billion, and we invested CAD 1.7 billion in our capital program.

In October, we issued a combined $2.25 billion of senior unsecured notes, comprised of $1.25 billion of three-year fixed-rate notes at 1% and $1 billion of 10-year fixed-rate notes at 2.5%. Now turning to slide 14. This graphic illustrates our forecasted sources and uses of funds for 2021 through 2023. Starting in the left column, our total requirements over the three years are projected to be approximately CAD 30 billion, reflecting dividends and other of CAD 11 billion, capital expenditures including maintenance capital of CAD 16.5 billion, CAD 2 billion attributed to the TC PipeLines acquisition completed in March, and a Series 13 preferred share redemption of CAD 500 million in May.

The second column highlights expected internally generated cash flow of CAD 21 billion, CAD 2 billion of common shares issued pursuant to the TC PipeLines buy-in, approximately CAD 3 billion Canadian equivalent of senior unsecured notes issued in October, CAD 1.5 billion medium-term notes issued in June, and the CAD 500 million junior subordinated notes offering completed in March. That leaves a residual need of approximately CAD 2 billion depicted in the far right column that we expect to fund through a combination of incremental debt, commercial paper, and Keystone XL project recoveries. The program excludes normal course refinancing of scheduled debt maturities and is consistent with maintaining our strong financial position. Now turning to slide 15.

In closing, our strong operational financial results continue to reflect our resilient low-risk business strategy and demonstrate the criticality of our extensive asset footprint along with our robust growing capital program. Our enduring business model, financial strength, organizational capabilities, and unparalleled network of assets position us to capitalize on a vast opportunity set which will allow us to serve today's needs as well as the evolving energy mix of the future. Looking forward, as François mentioned, in order to fund our sizable capital programs during this period of growth, maintain our strong financial position, and enhance our already conservative utility-like dividend payout ratios, we have modified our near-term dividend growth outlook.

We now expect to increase our common share dividend at an average annual rate of 3%-5%, which will allow us to fund a larger portion of our future capital programs through internally generated cash flow, moderate our leverage, and continue to deliver superior long-term total shareholder returns. That's the end of my prepared remarks. I will now turn the call back over to David for the Q&A.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Great. Thanks, Joel. Just a reminder before I turn it over to the conference coordinator for questions from the investment community, we ask that you limit yourself to two questions. If you do have some additional questions, please reenter the queue. With that, I'll turn it back to the conference coordinator.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. Our first question comes from Ben Pham of BMO. Please go ahead. Our next question comes from Robert Kwan of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Kwan
Head of Global Power, Utilities, and Infrastructure Research, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Good morning. If I can just start on the dividend rate change and recognizing, look, you've got to start somewhere, but on an absolute basis, it's not really that much dollars saved to fund things. As you just think about the stepped up plan, can you just confirm that direct equity has or DRIP ATM has no role in that? As you step it up, what is the role of asset monetizations as well, just to take advantage of private market valuation out there?

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Hi, Robert. It's Joel here. First, to answer your question with respect to the need for equity or ATM, we would say there is no need, given our CAD 22 billion capital program, along with us announcing today, we've sanctioned CAD 7 billion of projects this year, so far this year, and we expect to do at least CAD 5 billion annually in the coming years. We see no need for common equity. If there are opportunities in excess of this, we would consider equity. However, we look at everything through a per share lens, it would have to be accretive to shareholders and add long-term value.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

I think to add to that. Excuse me, Robert, your question with respect to monetizing assets as an alternative. We look at all sources of equity capital, whether they are internal or external, and they have to compete with one another. To the extent we can monetize a mature asset and rotate capital into growth, it's something you've seen us do in the past through funding the Columbia growth program and something we would absolutely consider and be prepared to do in the future.

Robert Kwan
Head of Global Power, Utilities, and Infrastructure Research, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, just to clarify, because Joel, your answer sounded like it was maybe just a little bit more of an absolute test of accretion. François, are you trying to say, though, that you've got these different options and they're all going to get weighed against each other, and the best option is how you're going to proceed?

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Yes. I think the way you characterized it, Robert, is exactly that. We're going to weigh all of our options, and that's how we're going to make the choice as to how we fund our program going forward. I think where Joel was going with this is we always retain the option to issue equity, but it's you know, we guard share count jealously. To the extent we have an internal option to rotate capital, I think that will always be our preferred course of action.

Robert Kwan
Head of Global Power, Utilities, and Infrastructure Research, RBC Capital Markets

Perfect. Just, you had the VR Project last quarter, you got the WR Project this quarter. Those are just a little under $1 billion. You've got lots of other systems that are full with compressor stations. Can you just talk about the total potential opportunity? Look, you've had one each quarter here. What type of pace, you know, can we expect to see additional announcements?

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

That's a great question, Robert. I'll give that a start, and then I'll ask Stan to provide some proof points and add some color. As we talked about and published our GHG reduction plan last week, we identified five levers for us to achieve our objectives, and one of them was modernizing our existing infrastructure and assets. I think the WR Project and the VR Project, which, if memory serves me, are about CAD 1.5 billion of sanctioned projects, are really good examples of that, and I think we'll see more of those going forward. Over to you, Stan, for additional color.

Stan Chapman
EVP and President, U.S. and Mexico Natural Gas Pipelines, TC Energy

Yeah. Thanks, François. Hello, Robert and team. I would start by saying this. Now, given the size and breadth of our assets in the U.S., I've said before that any given year, my expectation is we should be originating about $1 billion of growth capital, and I expect that to continue for the next several years. One way we're going to look at doing that is by continuing to electrify our compression fleet. Give you some data points. Today, about 5% of our compression fleet is electric driven. All things equal, that probably drives down or reduces our CO₂ emissions by about 500,000 tons. Here's the opportunity set going forward, though. About 24% of our compressor fleet today is what we call older slow speed units. These units could be up to 70- years old.

As we continue to mine for other like for like compression reliability projects, like we've done with our Elwood project, Wisconsin Access, VR, and WR, we're going to look to replace this older inefficient gas compression with newer compression that may well be electric-driven or this Dual Drive technology.

The main driver for all this from a strategy standpoint may very well be linked to the retirement of coal-fired generation across our footprint. Just to give you a data point, as we sit here today, there are 16 coal plants that generate about 15 GW of capacity that are scheduled for retirement between now and 2030, and these coal plants sit within 15 mi of the ANR or the Columbia system. That's exactly what we've seen happen with respect to our WR Project that we announced today. Across the Midwest, we've recently seen about 1,800 MW of coal-fired generation be retired. A majority of that is going to be replaced with renewables, but a portion of that is gonna be firmed up with new gas-fired loads.

That's what the WR Project does, expands our system to the tune of about 157,000 dekatherms and gives us the ability to replace these older inefficient units with newer electric drives that not only drive down our emissions and expand our capacity for our customers, but allow us to do it in conjunction with Corey's team, who ultimately will be the provider of this green power going forward. Again, when you look at the opportunity set, I can't tell you specifically how much of that $1 billion a year that we're gonna originate in any given year is gonna be electric-driven, but I would say that we're in a bit of a target-rich environment right now.

Robert Kwan
Head of Global Power, Utilities, and Infrastructure Research, RBC Capital Markets

That's great. Thank you very much.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Robert.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ben Pham of BMO. Please go ahead.

Ben Pham
Managing Director of Pipelines and Utilities Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to also check, you've tempered your dividend growth guidance to a new range. Are you reaffirming that 5%-7% growth in EBITDA or cash flow are more of a longer-term business growth rate?

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Thanks for that question, Ben. I think, you know, directionally, that's absolutely accurate. You know, what we said in our prepared remarks is that the 5%-7% dividend growth is affordable. That we considered moderating the dividend growth for really two reasons. One is to retain more cash flow to invest in our growth programs, and the second is to over time grow into a slightly lower leverage targets. By definition, that's what's implicit in that is that earnings and cash flow are expected to grow at a rate that is above our targeted dividend growth rate of 3%-5%.

Ben Pham
Managing Director of Pipelines and Utilities Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That's what I thought. I just wanted to clarify that. You've been pretty consistent with some of your payout ratio targets, even cash flow between that 60%-40%. I mean, is there any change in that or maybe more fulsome update than Investor Day?

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

I think, you know, we see value in having utility-like payout ratios both on an earnings and cash flow basis. Again, given the fact that we see growth opportunity being very robust going forward, revolving around energy transition and lowering our emissions, we thought it was prudent for us to be retaining more cash flow. By virtue of continuing to grow earnings and cash flow at a rate on a long-term basis above that 3%-5% range, we expect to see our payout ratios lower over time as well from the level, the targeted levels that you mentioned, Ben.

Ben Pham
Managing Director of Pipelines and Utilities Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. Those were my two questions. Thank you.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Ben.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet of JPMorgan Chase . Please go ahead.

Jeremy Tonet
Research Analyst and Managing Director, JPMorgan Chase.

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to pick up with kind of some prior elements of the last question there. Just as far as the Analyst Day is concerned, should we be thinking about any other type of new messaging or major developments as far as how you think about TC Energy going forward with the strategy? We have, you know, new management team in the seat here. Just wondering if there's anything that you can share with us.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Jeremy, I think what you'll see from us is the same consistency that we've exhibited over the last couple of decades, which is, we view our value proposition is to provide, stable and steady dividend growth underpinned by growth in cash flow and earnings, to maintain a strong balance sheet and, industry-best payout ratios, and to continue with, a, set of very disciplined and conservative risk preferences. What you'll hear from us on Investor Day is more detail on the opportunity set that we see going forward. Again, energy transition provides a vast opportunity for TC Energy to prosper. The opportunity to reduce our emissions will create opportunities for us to invest capital as well.

When you combine that with the underlying growth in our existing businesses, as Stan talked about, in, for example, in our U.S. gas business, and I'll ask Corey to provide a little bit more detail on where we are with our RFI program in just a minute in terms of electrifying our own consumption. What you're gonna hear from us is more detail around the robustness of that growth program going forward. Corey, if I could ask you to provide a bit more update on that one.

Corey Hessen
SVP, President of Power, and Storage, TC Energy

Thank you, François. Hi, Jeremy. Glad to have you calling in today. Appreciate you taking the time. As I've mentioned in previous calls, we are systematically going through a process to electrify our liquids assets in the U.S. We've reached a stage now where we have exclusive negotiations for, as promised, 1,000 MW of r enewable generation. We expect in Q1 to be able to announce our selections and our choices and then the schedule of each one of those projects and how they're gonna serve our load more specifically.

Jeremy Tonet
Research Analyst and Managing Director, JPMorgan Chase.

Got it. That makes sense. I didn't think TC Energy would be changing a ton, but just wanted to check.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Yeah.

Jeremy Tonet
Research Analyst and Managing Director, JPMorgan Chase.

Separately, just wanted to kind of build off of, I guess the Nikola announcement that you had made during the quarter here. Wanted to get any more color you're willing to share with regards to, I guess, the pace of opportunity as it relates to hydrogen going forward. Do you see these type of opportunities, as far as, you know, more repurposing existing assets or building new logistics? Just any color you could share there would be helpful.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

I'll start, and I'll ask Corey to provide a little bit more detail with using Nikola as an example. One of the things we've learned, Jeremy, over the course of the last year is how critical our assets and infrastructure is to moving forward with energy transition. You know, with respect to hydrogen, it's about, you know, generating, producing, storing, and transporting a gaseous molecule, which is exactly what we do every day, primarily through natural gas transportation in our company. Our skill sets and our asset base really lend themselves very well to those kinds of opportunities. You're gonna see more of these type of joint development agreements that we have with Nikola, with other counterparties going forward. With respect to Nikola, perhaps, Corey, if you could sort of frame up the size of the opportunity for Jeremy.

Corey Hessen
SVP, President of Power, and Storage, TC Energy

Yeah, that'd be great. I think the way to think about it is that Nikola provides us a unique opportunity to bring our core skill sets, our core capabilities to a team as we investigate how hydrogen can be part of the new energy economy. Specifically, we think about it from a power and storage point of view, that it matches our view of participating in an agenda load match view. A normal 150 ton per day hub requires about a gigawatt of power.

We perceive that we can participate by building and operating renewable energy assets, which include storage, wind, and solar to power those electrolyzers, and then be able to systematically evaluate our existing infrastructure such that we can participate in the transmission side of those hydrogen molecules from point to point to service the load. Once again, I'd like to reinforce that the most important part of this is, A, we can bring our capabilities to a wider team and learn together, and B, we can leverage our existing asset base to participate with our partners in this opportunity.

Jeremy Tonet
Research Analyst and Managing Director, JPMorgan Chase.

Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Jeremy.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Catellier of CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Catellier
Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Thank you. I'd like to go back to the dividend growth announcement for a minute. I think you characterized it in the statements as a near-term change to the dividend growth outlook. I wonder if there's a specific metric, such as leverage, that you'd need to see at a certain level, or is it really under a constant evaluation? It sounds like comments you've given this morning is it's really a long-term reduction in the leverage in the payout ratio as opposed to really a near-term change in the growth rate.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Thanks for that, Robert. I'll get started, and I'll ask Joel to provide additional comments. You know, certainly we see ourselves growing cash flow and earnings at a rate that's above the 3%-5% dividend rate. This is something we're gonna constantly evaluate over time. It's you know, a dynamic evaluation process within the company. We see, simply put, tremendous opportunity for us to allocate capital above our free cash flow, even through energy transition and emissions reductions over the next several years. Wanna make sure that we're balancing appropriately, providing income growth to our shareholders, but also maintaining a very strong balance sheet.

'Cause we think there will be situations where we can be opportunistic and capture opportunities that others don't to the extent we have a strong balance sheet and continue to maintain dry powder. The idea here is to grow into you know stronger metrics. Joel, I'll throw to you for additional comments.

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Yeah. Thanks, François. Thanks Robert for the question. As François mentioned, you know, we will grow over time into these stronger metrics. Particularly when you look at our leverage, over time, we wanna get that down. I like to see us more in that 4.75 debt-to-EBITDA range over time. I think it's important for us, as François said, to just have that additional capacity, that dry powder, if you will, further bolsters our balance sheet. I think it's really important for us to be focused on that. Again, it'll take time, and it'll depend really on the cadence of spend, as to how long it'll take to get there.

I would note, Robert, though, like if you think about the last two years, our debt-to-EBITDA, we ended the year at 4.9. We were very happy with that. It's not like this is that far out of reach, but it will take some time. That's kind of a stated target that we have is around that 4.75 area of debt-to-EBITDA.

Robert Catellier
Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, thank you. That's a helpful color. My next question is on Bruce Power, the operations there. Can you maybe provide a little bit more detail and you know, sort of contrast it to what's going on with the MCR program? And is the higher capacity gonna be achieved through operational means, or is there some CapEx and spend development that you can speak to? Thank you.

Corey Hessen
SVP, President of Power, and Storage, TC Energy

Hi, Robert. It's Corey. The way I would think about it is the number one, the upgrade is a three-phase project that's gonna take the remainder of the decade. Bruce Power refers to as Project 2030. Phase I is under construction right now, and we just approved phase II, which is approximately CAD 300 million of capital. The execution is all on what we would refer to as the cold side of the plant, meaning there's no risk to nuclear operations. It's primarily through improvements in the non-nuclear side of the facility. Each phase will have been funded and approved in a phase-by-phase process, and we expect that by 2030, the goal of 7,000 MW can be attained based on year-to-date progress of meeting their goals and objectives for cost and schedule for phase I.

Operator

Our next question comes from Linda Ezergailis of TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Linda Ezergailis
Managing Director and Equity Research, TD Securities

Thank you. I don't wanna spend too much time belaboring your deliberations on the dividend, but it is of high interest. I'm just wondering how much of a factor, if any, were your conversations with the debt rating agencies in considering and converging upon an appropriate dividend growth rate? Maybe also were there any other factors that were potentially secondary but a consideration as well, for example, any sort of pending tax changes in any of your jurisdictions or anything like that?

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Thanks, Linda. It's Joel here. I first would say that there was no discussions with the rating agencies. There's no pressure on our metrics. This was a decision that we made on our own that we found was prudent to retain more cash flow to redeploy into our business. I just wanna emphasize there's no ratings pressure whatsoever here. But we did mention to the ratings that we had a regular update call with them, but again, this is no pressure from them whatsoever. As it relates to tax changes, I mean, it's early days in that, Linda. I mean, there's a lot of moving parts here, whether you look at tax changes in the U.S., Canada. It's come out of the OECD.

We'll have to wait till the final legislation actually comes through before we can actually make any kind of determination if there's any impact at all on our tax position. Again, very early days on that, and we don't wanna speculate, but that did not factor into our decision here on the 3%-5% dividend, nor did we have any pressure from the rating agencies whatsoever.

Linda Ezergailis
Managing Director and Equity Research, TD Securities

Okay. Appreciate that context. Maybe, moving on to the outlook for inflation and a lot of moving parts there as well. I'm wondering if you can just remind us, what the update is on what percentage of your earnings or EBITDA might have protections in place. When we think of the net tailwind versus headwinds we might see next year and beyond, if you can provide any context for us, that would be very helpful.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Thanks, Linda. It's François. I'll take that one. You know, as as you're very well aware, you know, we have very little exposure to you know, commodity price risk or volumetric risk. In terms of the rates established, you know, in our various jurisdictions, we have a settlement in NGTL and our Canadian Mainline for five and six years respectively. We charge negotiated rates predominantly on our systems in the U.S. on the natural gas side and our liquids business as well. Our exposure in terms of revenues to interest rate risk is very low. The vast majority of our capital is under fixed rate and from a borrowing standpoint.

Where we see some inflation pressures is on our projects and the cost of our projects going forward. It's something that we manage either through cost-sharing mechanisms with our customers to the extent those are available. But it's something we see and, you know, take a very close eye on in terms of managing our operating and capital costs going forward. Not really any pressures in terms of allowed rates of return in terms of revenues going forward from inflation. Again, on our O&M and our project, it's something that we watch very carefully, but we don't see that as inflation as being really a significant impact on our earnings and cash flow volatility going forward.

Linda Ezergailis
Managing Director and Equity Research, TD Securities

Thank you.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Linda.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Hope of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Robert Hope
Managing Director and Equity Research, Scotiabank

Morning, everyone. Just the first question on the Coastal GasLink. Can you update us on the path forward and how you're thinking about capital at risk regarding the kind of slip in schedule there as well as the higher capital cost?

Tracy Robinson
President of Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

Yeah, happy to do that. Good morning. Listen, you know, we continue on Coastal GasLink to work, you know, very closely with our customer, LNG Canada, as we advance towards completion.

You know, as we work through this project, we are working very closely with them to ensure that the pipeline comes in in a timeline that's consistent with their needs on the facility. You know, we are 100% aligned with LNG Canada on the importance both of the project and the need to continue to move this forward. We're committed, of course, to doing that. We're more than halfway there. We've passed our 50% completion, and we've more than, I think, 5,000 people out there working right now and achieving new milestones every day. We think this project's on track. It's gonna come in in a timeline that works for our customers, and we're committed to making sure that that happens.

Robert Hope
Managing Director and Equity Research, Scotiabank

There's no contemplation of any pauses like was previously discussed?

Tracy Robinson
President of Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

We have right now all the authorities that we need to proceed, and we are in 100% alignment with LNG Canada, the importance that construction is not disrupted. We're out there doing it, and we don't expect a disruption in construction.

Robert Hope
Managing Director and Equity Research, Scotiabank

All right. Good to hear. Shifting over to Alberta, the Alberta Carbon Grid, you know, TC's got, we'll call it, you know, high pressure pipelines, you know, from the large emitter sources to the potential, you know, disposition for carbon areas there. You know, when you're taking a look at your capital plan and taking a look at how the, you know, potential CCUS opportunity comes along, you know, how are you thinking about your assets and the path forward for this project?

Bevin Wirzba
President, EVP of President, Liquids Pipelines, and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

Thanks, Rob. It's Bevin here. The one great aspect of this opportunity is that it is an industry solution, with both our partner, Pembina, and ourselves, as well as potentially other parties in the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin, leveraging our long life assets, relooking at repurposing our assets to provide a more competitive solution for the industry is what we're focused on. It's early days, Rob. This is a multiyear effort. We're getting feedback from industry and not only the energy industry, but other point source folks as well that have emissions to deal with and looking at a solution set that could really be competitive for a broader industry approach.

Robert Hope
Managing Director and Equity Research, Scotiabank

Thank you.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Rob.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Kuske of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Andrew Kuske
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Good morning. Maybe just on the growth opportunity that lies ahead, if you could delineate a little bit of it, what's in corridor growth and potentially having higher returns versus maybe more competitive opportunities that you really foresee.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

I'm happy to start, and then I'll ask Stan and Tracy to provide some proof points. I would say going forward, Andrew, that our opportunity set is going to be much more driven by in corridor growth than not. Simply put, we find the risks in managing, you know, external processes, permitting, and the like to be much more manageable in corridor. We have very strong relationships. We're a trusted operator. Our employees work and live in the communities in which we operate. We have a strong safety record, and we have strong commercial relationships with organizations in those areas and with policymakers. From our perspective, going forward from us, you can see much more what I, you know, call using a baseball analogy, singles and doubles, than swinging for the fences.

We're very happy to be able to backfill the CAD 8 billion we lost earlier this year with the permit revocation. We've done our job this year. We've sanctioned CAD 7 billion, including projects that'll be sanctioned before the end of the year. We've sanctioned CAD 7 billion of projects with an unlevered IRR of 8.3%. That to me is strong execution on our part. And that's being done with smaller in-corridor projects and projects related to energy transition and reducing our own emissions. That's gonna be the trend going forward, and I see the execution risk and the permitting risk around our capital projects going forward reducing because we're gonna take that approach. Perhaps we'll start with Stan and then Tracy.

Stan Chapman
EVP and President, U.S. and Mexico Natural Gas Pipelines, TC Energy

Hey, Andrew. This is Stan. Maybe I'll see if I can't paint a little picture for you for my view of growth within the U.S. natural gas business. I guess I would start by saying the best type of growth we can achieve is one that doesn't require any capital spending. Given the current regulatory environment that we're in, where the time and complexity around building new projects is increasing, we truly believe that the value of pipe in the ground is gonna continue to grow over time, and therefore, our margins on every dekatherm of capacity we sell are gonna increase.

Whether we're focusing on cost reductions, generating new capacity with sales or even taking advantage of artificial intelligence and machine learning, like we've recently done with our Autonomous Pipeline project, we think that we're gonna be able to grow our margins going forward. Second thing I would point out to you is our modernization program as part of our rate case that we recently settled and filed with FERC. The Columbia rate case settlement does include a continuation of Columbia Gas's modernization program, which we refer to as Mod III. It's a CAD 1.2 billion investment over four years. As with our prior proposals

Every bit of capital that we put in service at the end of October of a given year starts to earn recovery effective April the following year. So there's relatively short period of dead capital, if you will. I should note that, if you're trying to trace back to our capital table that we include in our Q3 disclosures, the CAD 1.2 billion modernization program is not included in that just yet, but we will update the capital table when the settlement is approved, expected around Q1 2022.

Third, and perhaps really to your question and with respect to new projects, again, given the depth and breadth of our system, my expectation is we originate about CAD 1 billion of projects each year, and these will be largely in corridor compression-related expansions that are permittable and constructable and will continue to have this 5x-7x EBITDA multiple build, if you will. I should point out that not only are we originating about CAD 1 billion of new growth projects a year, we're also putting into service about CAD 1 billion of growth projects per year. This year, we're gonna put in about CAD 900 million of capital into service. Next year, we're on track to do about the same, just under CAD 1 billion.

Again, while it's difficult for me to give you a specific breakdown of where the growth is gonna come from, we're gonna look for continued organic growth among the utilities, and we've had some success in that, particularly on the East Coast of the U.S. The electrification opportunities like DR and WR, we've already talked about. Opportunities with respect to coal retirements, again, I think abound. LNG growth, that second or third wave is going to come, particularly as we see these $50 type LNG prices in Asia and in record LNG sendouts to places like China. Also, I wouldn't discount an element of producer push. You know, for example, we're seeing increased capacity, increased production out of the Bakken, higher gas to oil ratios, pressure on reducing flaring. All that's gonna require additional pipeline capacity.

Again, we're uniquely situated to do that, I think with our Bison Pipeline. All of that I would characterize as traditional growth. On top of that, there's all of these transitional opportunities that we have around renewable natural gas, carbon capture, hydrogen, and the like. With that, I'll pause and maybe turn it over to Tracy.

Tracy Robinson
President of Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

Thanks, Stan. Andrew, thanks for the question. In Canada, as you know, we're in the middle of what is a fairly large expansion program, particularly in the NGTL system. It is positioning the NGTL system, you know, within that Montney area to ensure that the basin and the gas that's up there, which is some of the most competitive in North America, has access to a system. We're increasing the access to that gas to markets through this program more than 30%. You'll see that program come to an end in 2024. Beyond that, you know, we see about CAD 1.5 billion of organic-like investments that can, as we continue to make sure that the system is positioned properly in the basin to help it succeed.

You know, as we look at opportunities to optimize our system, we're looking at opportunities to decarbonize, as we see the carbon price starting to increase, opportunities to electrify. As we look forward, you know, leverage our assets as we look at all of the activity around energy transition. This is a tremendous resource base we have right now. We're starting to see the benefits of the expansion that we've done already. If you look at some pretty strong financial results, you're gonna see that continue. I think, you know, as we look forward, we're gonna leverage all of that to make sure that the basin is positioned to succeed, to drive more gas down our kind of strategic asset on the main line into Eastern Canada, the Midwest on our U.S. pipes. You know, we'll participate fully in the growth that we're all seeing in gas.

Andrew Kuske
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

I appreciate the three's company approach on the answering of the question. It's very helpful. Maybe my second question, if I can, is really related. Maybe it brings it back to the baseball analogy, François, on, you know, singles and doubles and just all the capital comments that Stan and Tracy made. You know, do you see yourselves in a position where you've got effectively the singles and doubles that are all on corridor that allow you to, you know, in a certain sense, run up the score and really put a lot of capital to work in a short period of time to accelerate an energy transition and just greater offerings to your customers and really benefit the overall growth story for TC itself?

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Very much so, Andrew. I think you characterized it well. You know, if you look at the CAD 7 billion of projects that we have sanctioned or expect to sanction for the rest of the year, the majority of those projects have a component of emissions reduction or energy transition or emissionless energy built into it. From our perspective, as we look at our responsibility and the commitments we've made around reducing our emissions, as we look at the direction policy is taking, as we look at you know, talking to our customer base about what their objectives are, more and more of our capital going forward is going to be associated with either reducing our emissions, reducing their emissions, or moving us along energy transition.

As you quite rightly pointed out, you know, a larger number of smaller projects brings less permitting risk for us, less execution risk for us. You know, in many instances where we are the incumbent, we are able to attract above average returns for that capital. All told, I think, as you pointed out very well, I think it bodes very well for us going forward in terms of our ability to achieve our targeted 7%-9% unlevered after-tax IRR. Newly sanctioned projects every year. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we're at the upper end of that for the CAD 7 billion we plan on having sanctioned in 2021.

Andrew Kuske
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

Okay. Thank you very much.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Okay. Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Lapides of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Michael Lapides
VP, Head of Energy Infrastructure Equity Research,Utilities, and PIpelines, Goldman Sachs

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. I'm looking at your sources and uses of funds for the next couple of years. One of the items that stood out a little bit was the expected source of funds from recovery of Keystone XL costs. Can you just remind us, A, what's the dollar amount that's assumed in that bar? B, what's the process for getting recovery of those funds and kind of the timeline for it? And C, what's the backfill strategy in case that gets pushed out or delayed or doesn't get recovered? Thanks, guys.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

We'll start with Bevin with respect to the recovery, and then the backfill will go to Joel.

Michael Lapides
VP, Head of Energy Infrastructure Equity Research,Utilities, and PIpelines, Goldman Sachs

Yeah.

Bevin Wirzba
President, EVP of President, Liquids Pipelines, and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

Sure. Thank you, Michael. As you highlighted, we had great support from our customers to help advance the Keystone XL by supporting us with some of the capital to move that project forward. Post the revocation of the permit, we've since moved to commercial conversations with our customers that did support us, and we've made great progress on that front, and we hope to resolve any outstanding balances by the first quarter of next year. With respect to the totals, those are fully disclosed in previous disclosure, upwards of CAD 800 million. Over to you, Joel.

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Yes. Yeah, Bevin, thanks for that, and thanks, Michael, for the question. To the extent that we, you know, couldn't recover that, the backfill would be simply through additional debt. We have capacity to do that, 'cause it isn't a large amount, Michael. It's anywhere from CAD 500 million-CAD 800 million, as Bevin mentioned.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Right. Perhaps I'll add a little bit to that. You know, the base case outcome is that we will be recovering that capital from our shippers. These are all strong creditworthy parties. Simply put, what we are working towards as an alternative is a bit of a win-win situation where we can create commercial opportunities that deliver even more value than the recoverable capital through commercial solutions that they need and that benefit us as well. I view the risk of not being able to recover that capital in our capital stack to be de minimis to negligible. We are simply working on trying to find commercial solutions that actually increase the value of, you know, of those recoveries.

Michael Lapides
VP, Head of Energy Infrastructure Equity Research,Utilities, and PIpelines, Goldman Sachs

Got it. Thank you, guys. Appreciate the detailed answer.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Okay. Thanks, Michael.

Operator

Our next question comes from Praneeth Satish of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Praneeth Satish
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thanks. Good morning. I'm wondering if you could comment on the proposal here in the U.S. to impose a minimum 15% tax on corporations. If this went forward, would this have any impact on your cash taxes on the U.S. side of the business? Or do you have any NOLs or credits to help offset this?

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Thanks, Praneeth. It's Joel here. Yeah. If we went to a 15% tax, a minimum tax, again, as I mentioned earlier, it's still very early days to determine, you know, what's the final impact. We have to look at the legislation that ultimately will come through. We'd have to look at, you know, what's the transition period. We have to look at if there's any grandfathering, et cetera. If there is a 15% tax, probably not a big impact to us, given that, especially on a cash tax perspective, because we do have some NOLs that we can use. Again, it's for us to kind of speculate, it's just too early, just given there are a lot of moving parts.

Certainly we're not really concerned that, if we see, you know, depending on what the legislation ultimately is, whether it's in the U.S., you know, Mexico, Canada, OECD, as I mentioned earlier, we have to determine what the ultimate impact is, you know, for our cash versus current taxes.

Praneeth Satish
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Got it. I just wanted to go back to you know, the IRR comments. I know company-wide, the project backlog, like you mentioned, is gonna generate an 8% IRR. Is it the case that the gas projects have higher returns in kind of the 5x-7x EBITDA range, and then, you know, the energy transition projects have a lower IRR? I guess the reason I ask is that over time, I'd imagine that the energy transition projects become a bigger and bigger piece of the backlog. Do you see risk there to the 7%-9% target over time?

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

We don't see any risk to falling outside of that band over time. As we're looking at opportunities through electrification, as we're looking at the opportunities with the carbon grid, with Nikola and other hydrogen opportunities, and even in renewables, on a weighted average basis, we're very confident that we're gonna be able to fall within that 7%-9% range. What you've seen from us over the course of the last couple of years with the predominance of our capital being spent in Canada Gas, where, you know, the prescribed rates of return based on 10.1% return on equity on deemed equity of 40%, that falls beneath our range at roughly 6.25% with incentives, nonetheless, we've been still able on a weighted average basis to fall within that 7%-9% range. You know, energy transition investments include Bruce Power

Include the uprate. Both the MCR and the uprate fall above the 7%-9% range. You should not presume that energy transition investments by default generate and attract lower returns. We're very disciplined about how we allocate capital. That 7%-9% range is an extremely important part of our capital allocation decisions. Based on the forward pipeline of projects that we're developing, we don't expect to see us falling below that range anytime in the near future.

Praneeth Satish
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Perfect. Thank you.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Praneeth.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Taylor of Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Please go ahead.

Matthew Taylor
Director of Midstream Research, Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co., LLC

Yeah, thanks for taking my question, Kieran. Only one for me. As LNG producers are looking to offer net zero carbon cargoes, are you guys seeing any opportunities to partner there to reduce emissions of where that gas is being transported from? If there's any conversations there about preference for some of these LNG producers on where they source their gas from by basin or customers that might give you guys a competitive advantage.

Stan Chapman
EVP and President, U.S. and Mexico Natural Gas Pipelines, TC Energy

Hey, Matt, this is Stan. Maybe I'll take the last part of your question first with respect to is there a preference in LNG customers to source green gas, if you will. The answer is no. We really haven't seen that. Matter of fact, it's been a bit of a mixed bag amongst producers, whether or not they're interested in putting forth a product such as that. Overall, no.

I think, our part of the value chain is to build out the capacity to feed the LNG terminals, and we're quite comfortable doing that going forward, again, particularly in light of the unprecedented demand that we're seeing for LNG, right now in this winter, where cargoes have traded for over $55 the past couple of weeks, record deliveries to China last month and the like. I think we generally like where we are in the value chain, all things being well.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Stan, if you could maybe on the topic of RNG, provide some additional color on some of the initiatives that you've got going.

Stan Chapman
EVP and President, U.S. and Mexico Natural Gas Pipelines, TC Energy

Yeah, I could. Appreciate that, François. I think I mentioned to you earlier that we were on track to double the amount of RNG that we were taking into our system this year, and we're probably going to exceed that by 50% and perhaps get up to about 20-30 BCF of RNG into the system by the end of 2022. What we're trying to do is work with some of the larger landfill providers, for example, look at where their landfills are relative to our pipeline infrastructure, studying the value chain to determine the value propositions along the digester component, the conditioning component, the transportation component.

Also, we have kind of a unique ability to interact at the intersection of molecules and electrons to an extent in the context of Corey's team could come in and provide a role in this as well. It could be as simple as buying the gas, buying the renewable gas from the renewable producer or perhaps entering into an asset management agreement as well. A lot of exciting stuff, I think, yet to come on the renewable gas front. We're really bullish on that opportunity.

Matthew Taylor
Director of Midstream Research, Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co., LLC

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Stan Chapman
EVP and President, U.S. and Mexico Natural Gas Pipelines, TC Energy

Okay.

David Moneta
VP of Investor Relations and Financial Communications, TC Energy

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Our next question comes from Patrick Kenny of National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Just to follow up on Coastal GasLink and more on the cost side. Just wanna make sure I've got this right in the sense that the worst-case financial exposure for yourselves and your LP partners at this point, assuming no incremental project financing for whatever reason, would be that CAD 3.3 billion, you know, with your net exposure just being north of CAD 1 billion. I guess that would also assume that your LP partners don't have any recourse on you guys as project manager. Not sure how much you can share at this point with respect to, A, you know, firming up that incremental project financing or B, any legal protection you might have as project manager from the other LP partners, potentially making a claim as well.

Tracy Robinson
President of Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

Hey, Patrick. I'm gonna let Joel address the temporary financing components that you mentioned. First, let me address just a few important points. As you know, you know, this project is critical to both, to the industry, to the country, to LNG Canada, us, and we're working very closely with LNG Canada as we advance towards completion. We can, of course, discuss the details of any discussions on cost and schedule and the issues between us because they're confidential. What I can say is that we're very hopeful that ultimately we're gonna reach an agreement between us on those issues and that, of course, you know, will lead to the resolution of some of the temporary financing as well. We are continuing to work on the pipe, more than 50% done.

Lots of people out in the field progressing that, very aligned with LNG Canada on the importance of ensuring that that's not disrupted. With that note, I will pass it over to Joel.

Joel Hunter
EVP and CFO, TC Energy

Thanks, Tracy. Yes, Patrick, you saw us disclose that, there's a commitment up to CAD 3.3 billion that would be temporary if necessary for us to lend into the project. I think it's important to note, though, if that were required, that we would earn a return on that investment, if you will, that would be temporary. We fully expect that over time CGL will be able to increase its project credit facility, and the likelihood of this up to CAD 3.3 billion wouldn't be required. If so, again, we'd be viewed as temporary, and we'd earn a return on it.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay, great. That's very helpful. Thank you. Maybe as a follow-up, as you think about, say, the pumped hydro opportunity, obviously a very different project in the context of design and construction challenges, but still quite similar as it relates to capital intensity and, you know, long lead execution risk. Just curious how this CGL experience might be influencing your strategy around mitigating and diversifying your risk during the build-out, just in order to maximize your risk-adjusted returns.

Corey Hessen
SVP, President of Power, and Storage, TC Energy

Hi, Patrick. It's Corey. Thanks for the question. I think that your question really amplifies what it means to be a part of TC Energy and the fact that we have a diversified business, and we every day create opportunities to have learnings from other parts of our business. What we would learn and apply and what we have learned and applied to this process is number one, understanding how our partners wanna operate. Because on the Meaford project, the Ontario Pumped Storage Project, we will have partners that include local constituents. It will include the Saugeen Ojibway Nation, and it will include potentially other investors.

We will definitely be thinking about how we include them early on in the process to make sure we're aligned on our contracting strategy and execution strategy. Secondarily, we are very focused on making sure that we have the right contracting strategy with our actual construction partners, our OEM partners, and our supply chain, so that as we move along in this process, we all are very clear on the roles and responsibilities.

I think I would just sort of close with the fact that, you know, the pumped hydro project is also an excellent opportunity for us to leverage what we have in a partnership with Bruce Power and all of their excellent work that they have done and to be able to help and guide us through this process as well, just because we both serve the same jurisdiction, the same customers, the same province. That's really a competitive advantage for us for this particular project.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Great. Appreciate the color. I'll leave it there.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen.

Tracy Robinson
President of Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines and Coastal GasLink, TC Energy

Okay.

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. If there are any further questions, please contact investor relations at TC Energy. I will now turn the call over to François Poirier. Please go ahead.

François Poirier
President and CEO, TC Energy

Thank you very much. In closing, our disciplined approach as always emphasizes financial strength and adherence to our conservative risk preferences. That's a critical part of our value proposition. Secondly, as you've seen with our results year to date and the upward revision in our outlook, our high-quality long life assets continue to produce strong operating and financial results. Thirdly, as we think about our strong performance this year in terms of sanctioning CAD 7 billion of projects with an 8.3% after-tax unlevered IRR, and we think about our growth prospects going forward, energy transition will provide vast opportunities for TC Energy to prosper, as I said in our strategy, to prosper irrespective of the pace or direction of energy transition. Thanks very much for your time today.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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