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Earnings Call: Q2 2024

Aug 15, 2024

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tidewater Midstream and Infrastructure Q2 2024 financial results conference call. At this time, note that all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session, and if at any time during this call you require any assistance, please press star zero for the operator. Also, note that this call is being recorded on Thursday, August 15th, 2024. I would like to turn the conference over to Michael Grascher. Please go ahead, sir.

Michael Gracher
VP of Capital Markets & Investor Relations, Tidewater Midstream

Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone to Tidewater Midstream's Second Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. I'm Michael Grascher, Manager, Investor Relations, and joining me today are Jeremy Baines, CEO, and Aaron Ames, Tidewater Midstream's Interim CFO. Also with us and available during the question and answer session is Shawn Heaney, EVP, Planning and Strategy.

Before we begin, please note the matters discussed on this call include forward-looking statements under applicable securities laws with respect to Tidewater Midstream and Infrastructure Ltd., including but not limited to, statements regarding investments and acquisitions by the company, commercial arrangements of the company, the business strategies and operational activities of the company, markets and industries in which the company operates, cost and expense management, the company's leverage and plans for debt and leverage reduction, refinancing of the company's indebtedness, the value of the company's assets, and the future growth, objectives, targets, and financial and operational performance of the company and its businesses. Such statements are based on factors and assumptions that management believes are reasonable at the time they were made and information currently available.

Forward-looking statements we may express or imply today are subject to risks and uncertainties which can cause actual results to differ from expectations. Further, some of the information provided refers to non-GAAP measures. To learn more about these forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures, please see Tidewater Midstream's financial reports, which are available on SEDAR. With that, I will now pass the call over to Jeremy to go over the highlights of the quarter.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Thanks, Michael. Thanks to everyone for joining us today. I want to start by providing an overview of the transaction that was announced with our release this morning. From an operational standpoint, the HDRD complex continues to operate very well, averaging daily throughput of 2,925 barrels per day during the second quarter. This represents a 98% utilization rate. We are on track to meet and likely exceed the previously announced full year utilization rate of 85% for 2024. During the first and second quarters of 2024, Tidewater Renewables forward sold BC LCFS credits at an average price of approximately $ 450 per credit to various counterparties.

As we exited the second quarter, it became apparent that the depressed low carbon fuel credit prices in the US were going to have an impact on Canadian low carbon fuel credit prices. The higher priced BC credit market is proving to be an attractive outlet for US producers of renewable fuel, who are able to take advantage of US subsidies and earn Canadian compliance credits. The importation of substantial volumes of subsidized US renewable diesel into British Columbia has significantly reduced the demand by LCFS obligated parties for compliance credits. The result has been that Tidewater Renewables was unable to economically contract BC LCFS credit sales for the third quarter of 2024 and does not expect to do so in the short term. The revenue generated from future BC LCFS credit sales makes up a significant portion of Tidewater Renewables' overall corporate revenue and cash flow.

The inability to generate any credit-based revenue would have significant negative implications for Tidewater Renewables' underlying business and liquidity. To remedy this, management of Tidewater Renewables evaluated alternative liquidity sources, including a transaction whereby Tidewater Midstream would acquire certain assets from Tidewater Renewables in exchange for upfront cash proceeds and near-term BC LCFS credit purchases while the sector awaits a longer-term solution. In connection with the proposed transaction, Tidewater Renewables' Board of Directors established an independent special committee to evaluate the proposed transaction and to negotiate the terms thereof with the independent special committee established by the Board of Directors of Tidewater Midstream, and to assess alternative liquidity sources.

The Renewables Special Committee has retained a financial advisor and legal counsel in connection with the proposed transaction.

After numerous discussions, the special committees and boards of directors of both Tidewater Midstream and Tidewater Renewables have approved entering into a related party agreement whereby Tidewater Midstream will acquire these assets from Tidewater Renewables in exchange for an upfront cash payment of $ 129.7 million, and a commitment to purchase a minimum of 80.7 million BC LCFS credits as they are produced by Tidewater Renewables over the next nine months. Upon completion of the transaction, Tidewater Midstream will reacquire all working interests in the PGR and BRC assets, and the contracted take-or-pay commitment between Tidewater Midstream and Tidewater Renewables will cease to exist. The acquired assets are expected to generate run rate, deconsolidated EBITDA of 40-50 million per year for Tidewater Midstream....

Tidewater Midstream expects to finance the transaction through operating cash flow, a $ 25 million increase in its revolving credit facility, and a $ 150 million term loan. The transaction is expected to close during Q3 2024 and is subject to completion of financing, documentation, and TSX approval. Tidewater Renewables has also approached the federal and BC governments to discuss needed changes within the low-carbon fuel program to allow for a viable domestic renewable fuels industry. We believe that with the expected regulatory changes and resultant market corrections, the BC LCFS credit market will correct and ultimately return to more sustainable levels. The current BC LCFS credit prices challenge Tidewater Renewables' liquidity in the near term, and we feel this transaction provides the necessary runway for the market and regulatory environment to correct and return to support the long-term viability of our renewables business.

Going forward, Tidewater Midstream will benefit from a simplified corporate structure, as it reacquires a significant amount of deconsolidated EBITDA that was previously dropped down to Tidewater Renewables as part of the IPO. Moving forward, Tidewater Renewables will be able to focus all of its efforts on its renewable fuels business, which consists of the HDRD Complex and the proposed SAF project, where the FEED study continues to progress. I will now provide a brief overview of our second quarter operations. On the downstream side of the business, the quarter started with PG crack spreads around $82 per barrel. As we have seen in previous years, crack spreads moderated slightly to approximately $78 per barrel in the middle of the quarter, before strengthening throughout the latter half of the quarter as the summer driving season began to ramp up.

Overall, crack spreads averaged approximately $81 per barrel for the quarter, below the same period last year, which averaged around $87 per barrel. Throughout the quarter, the PGR operated at capacity significantly higher than the same period last year, which is impacted by the 6-week scheduled turnaround. Looking forward, Q3 crack spreads have continued to strengthen, in part driven by unplanned refinery outages, outages in the U.S., as well as increased demand through the summer driving season. On the midstream side of the business, during the second quarter, we completed the previously announced turnaround at the BRC. The turnaround was completed on time and $5 million below initial cost expectations, and most importantly, the turnaround was completed safely with no lost time incidents.

An immense amount of time goes into the execution of these turnarounds, and to complete it without any safety incidents is a real testament to our team's focus on safe and reliable operations. This is a key priority for us. On the refinancing front, on June 4, 2024, Tidewater Midstream completed an important milestone with the issuance of $ 100 million of convertible unsecured subordinated debentures. Proceeds from the issuance were used to repay the $ 75 million convertible debentures, which were due September 30, 2024, with the remaining proceeds to be used for general corporate purposes. Also, on August 15, 2024, the maturity of the Tidewater Renewables credit facilities were extended from August 18, 2024 to August 30, 2024, to provide time for the proposed transaction to close.

I will now turn the call over to Aaron to go through the financial results and our revised outlook.

Aaron Ames
Interim CFO, Tidewater Midstream

Thank you, Jeremy. During Q2 2024, consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $ 45.3 million, of which $ 29.6 million was contributed by Tidewater Renewables. During the same quarter last year, consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $ 44 million, of which $ 8.1 million was from Tidewater Renewables. The year-over-year increase was primarily driven by a higher contribution from HDRD, which was commissioned during the fourth quarter of 2023. Year-to-date, consolidated EBITDA was $ 85.1 million, of which Tidewater Renewables contributed $ 55 million. I'd like to turn to our expectations for the year. As a result of the uncertainty surrounding the BC LCFS credit market, we are lowering our previously issued 2024 consolidated adjusted EBITDA guidance.

Assuming PG crack spreads average in the 80-90 per barrel range and an expected completion of the transaction discussed by Jeremy during Q3, Tidewater Midstream now expects 2024 consolidated adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $ 130 million- $ 150 million. I'll now ask the operator to open the call up for questions.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. You will then hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press star followed by two. And if you're using a speakerphone, we ask that you please lift the handsets first before pressing any keys. Please go ahead and press star one now if you have any questions. And your first question will be from Rob Hope at Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Rob Hope
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Thank you. Maybe just on the LCFS credit. You know, how should we think about or how are you thinking about in guidance, the headwind of the LCFS EBITDA relative to lower compliance costs at PGR? And, you know, are you looking to somehow, you know, you know, lock in some of these lower, carbon intensity for PGR?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Thanks for the question, Rob. Yeah, that's exactly correct. We've built in the lower expected cost of LCFS credits go forward into the Tidewater Midstream compliance costs, and we have locked in that price for credits for 2025 through this transaction and beyond. So from Tidewater Midstream's point of view, we are an obligated party, and we needed the credits, so we have bought them at what we think is hopefully close to the bottom of the market. And then we've reflected that price that renewables will receive for credits that give them a base price to be able to continue to operate and run the HDRD plant in a cash flow positive manner.

Rob Hope
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

All right, thanks for that. And then maybe can you give a little bit of insight into the $ 40 million- $ 50 million of EBITDA that was acquired? How did the valuation come about? And, can you just maybe also touch on other scenarios that Tidewater looked at?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

So the $ 40 million- $ 50 million of EBITDA is, you know, this is cash flow that, when the drop-down took place, was contracted to Tidewater Renewables. It was an asset that they had, that they were able to monetize as part of this transaction to ensure their liquidity. The valuation was, you know, that was done by the special committees of the board. And it, you know, reflects, a value for those types of cash flows in the market today. So, that's how it came about. We expect it will be ongoing, and, it is, bringing a good stream of cash flow that we understand very well back to Tidewater Midstream and provides liquidity and debt relief to Tidewater Renewables under the transaction.

Rob Hope
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question will be from Patrick Kenny at National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Thank you. Good morning. Maybe just following on the LCFS credit discussion there. So it sounds like you're covered through 2025 based on this agreement, but, you know, assuming the credit market doesn't recover at some point next year, either on its own or, you know, with the help of policy changes, would the plan be to continue rolling over these purchase agreements with renewables until the market does stabilize? Or, you know, do you then move towards satisfying PGR's compliance requirements in the open market?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah, I mean, obviously, we'll be ongoing evaluating the market and where the price for credits and the market for credits is. We are, we have a significant compliance obligation at TWM that we manage, and so obviously our expectation is that this will correct. We're already starting to see. There was a recent announcement come out by CARB yesterday about increasing compliance obligations for fuels that we think will be supportive of the market in British Columbia. We are seeing some high-cost biodiesel facilities in the U.S. having shut in and or shut down. And we expect through the winter season, the ability to bring in winter spec through imports into B.C. will take place, which will, you know, eventually correct the market.

We also do believe, given the unlevel playing field, where you've got subsidized production in the US, able to get the production subsidy effectively down there and then come into the market in BC and get the sales credit as well as the double-dipping that is creating an unlevel playing field for our domestic market. It is in the best interest of the governments to fix that problem so that we have a viable domestic renewable fuels industry. The province of British Columbia, in particular, has been very supportive and has a stated goal to have that industry, and so we expect that, you know, these things have a way of fixing themselves, and we fully expect that will take place within this liquidity window that's been created. And, you know, we'll obviously continue to evaluate as that unfolds.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

I guess related to the timing of all this to unfold, you know, on the new $ 150 million term loan, can you comment on what the maturity date is expected to look like? Whether this will be subordinate to your senior credit facility and perhaps, you know, what are the outstanding items here, terms or conditions that still need to be sorted out before approval or commitment is in place, in order to close the transaction by the end of the month?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah, yeah, Rob, that's a good question. Things are well down the path. I'll let Aaron just give you a little more detail on that.

Aaron Ames
Interim CFO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah. So, we're looking at, like we disclosed, a $ 150 million term loan to be repaid over something similar to, like, a five-year term. And so those details are being worked through right now, and so we'll update the market as we finalize those details.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. And I guess shifting gears to midstream, just with the shut in at Ram River, are you able to perhaps flow through any of the fixed costs to your customers while shut in? And if not, I guess, you know, what does the monthly cash burn rate look like until operations are restarted over the next few months? And I guess related to that, you know, do you have a sense as to what AECO price is needed for your customers to resume normal production levels?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah. So, multi-part question. As far as the facility is on a operating cost flow through, you know, we are able to push those costs through to volumes that flow in the year and, you know, we'll be managing that as we go, as we go forward. As far as cost to flow gas, like, obviously, AECO has been very depressed with storage being quite full. Our view is producers were anticipating LNG Canada that's coming on, and we had a bit of a warm weather, so they got a little bit of a head.

But it looks like, you know, with where the forward curve is as we move into the fall here, we expect production to come back on fairly quickly as prices get above $ 1, it starts to make economic sense for those producers to produce. And that, those expectations have been reflected in our guidance.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. And what about current throughput at BRC, just given where the spot price is today for AECO? Do you see any risk there in BRC being shut in temporarily as well? Or maybe just comment on the sustainable throughput.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah. Our view is two pieces to that at BRC. One is a lot of the production is associated with AECO oil economics, so that sort of really changes the economics of the producers flowing there. And then the second part is, the low AECO price has actually been a bit of an advantage for us being able to bring in and straddle gas and extract there. So, it's a different situation versus sort of the drier gas in the Ram area.

Patrick Kenny
Managing Director and Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Got it. Okay, that's great. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Thanks, Pat.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Robert Kwan at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Great, thank you. Jeremy, can you just frame the compliance obligation at the PGR for midstream versus the amount of credits you're buying?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Sure. I'm gonna have Shawn-

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

Sorry, Robert, can you just repeat that?

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, just the magnitude of your compliance obligation at midstream versus the amount of credits you're buying. Like, what's the offset?

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah, if you look at what, you know, HDRD kind of can produce over a full year versus what we're obligated to at PGR, I would say between a quarter to half a year. So with this transaction, kind of buying all the credits that they'll be producing over the next nine months, as Jeremy mentioned, we'll kind of be long credits for the rest of this year and into next year for most, pretty much all of next year. So we definitely see this transaction as kind of covering our compliance for call it this year and next year.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. If you're gonna be long credits, just what is the monetization strategy? Is it going to be monetizing as you-

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

Sorry.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Go ahead.

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

We won't be long credits. We'll satisfy our obligation. Remember, that PGR is an obligated party. We're producing a fossil, we generate an obligation from the fuel produced, so we'll be able to utilize these credits to satisfy our obligation that comes due each year.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, so you're gonna be still net short at PGR?

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

No, we'll be balanced.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah. Through the rest of... So we've covered 2024's compliance, and we've covered 2025 and, you know, you know, plus or minus a little bit there. So we have basically just, you know, we are locking in our compliance as we go. We've covered this year, and then we'll be buying as we go, as it cover, and it'll cover, next year's.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Okay. In terms of the acquired assets and, and just in terms of the wording, it seemed to be referencing the take-or-pay that was going into renewables. Was it pretty close to being a complete offset in terms of the revenues or the costs saved that you were getting at the midstream level? Or is there any material change in EBITDA?

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Well, so I guess how it works, Robert, is, you know, renewables owns various functional units effectively that were PGR and the storage pool. There were associated take or pay obligations from midstream to use those assets going forward. Those associated take or pay obligations will now go away. The assets will be owned by Tidewater Midstream. And so the take or pay obligations were roughly $ 40 million- $ 50 million a year. There is a little bit of variability in there, depending on credits and a few pieces of volume. But we expect that all will accrue now, or that will all now accrue at the Tidewater Midstream level.

In exchange, renewables is gonna be able to increase their liquidity, reduce a significant level of debt at renewables, and be able to have the runway to get through the short-term malaise in LCFS credit markets.

Aaron Ames
Interim CFO, Tidewater Midstream

and just to be clear, this is from a deconsolidated perspective. Obviously, from a consolidated perspective, there's no real impact because the same, you know, $ 40-50 million that was at, you know, renewables is at, on a consolidated basis at midstream because we consolidate renewables. This is really on a deconsolidated basis, that... And from a credit agreement perspective and where cash flows sit from a an ownership perspective.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Right. Okay. And I guess just the last question, if I think about the guidance, so it's down $ 20 million from prior, you mentioned the LCFS values. So it sounds like if you're matched largely on PGR, is that it sounds like that's pretty much then entirely the reduction at Tidewater Renewables. Is there any amount for Ram River in that that's material, or is it really just pretty much everything down below?

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

It's Sean. You're pretty spot on, Robert. There's a little bit coming down from Ram River, but as Jeremy mentioned, we're kind of looking at the forward curve where AECO is. Obviously, the last couple of months have been extremely depressed, probably very tough on producers that are heavily weighted to the gas side. But when we look at the forward curve and where it's coming, we do expect that facility to be on in the next couple of months here.

Robert Kwan
Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. That's great. Thank you.

Operator

... Once again, ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask questions, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. Your next question will be from Robert Catellier at CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Catellier
Executive Director and Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Hey, you've answered most of my questions at this point, but, I, I just wondered if we could go back to the, term loan again and just your level of comfort securing that, and getting that finalized, in the window here that, Tidewater Renewables has with its, credit facility extension.

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

I mean, we're down the path on the financing, so, you know, we feel, you know, confident. But there is subject to, you know, these requirements, regulatory requirements and the financing requirements. So, but we feel confident that we can, that we can get this financed.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah, just a little more color there, Rob. So, definitive documents are very far advanced. The discussions with lenders are very far advanced. They are obviously supportive. We put out the extensions that we've got that will allow us to move this forward. And, I think the, you know, our view is the lenders see the situation, they understand the short-term nature of the liquidity, and they see the plan that's been put forward, and it's a good plan for shareholders, debt holders, and it really is a good transaction to be supportive of.

Robert Catellier
Executive Director and Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, so it sounds like it's more regulatory than the availability of financing. It's more a question of just finalizing it as opposed to the availability. But just bigger picture-

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

That's okay.

Robert Catellier
Executive Director and Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

You know, understanding you have to close this transaction and get through this, and deal with the immediate liquidity issue at Renewables. But, you know, once that's done, it... I hate to ask this question, but is there, you know, a better structure and a motivation now to pursue consolidation of the two entities? You know, just-

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah, I mean-

Robert Catellier
Executive Director and Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Just-

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Yeah, like I hear the question-

Robert Catellier
Executive Director and Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Sorry about this.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

... and understand, yeah, where it's coming from. You know, we continuously look at those alternatives. At this point, the special committees of the board decided this was the best solution to this issue. You know, we'll continue as shareholders to monitor what makes sense, but there's nothing in the works, nothing announced. And, you know, it's something that, you know, may or may not happen in the future, and there's no, there's nothing happening on that front, as we speak.

Shawn Heaney
EVP, Planning and Strategy, Tidewater Midstream

But this transaction greatly simplifies things. And, and so we're going down this path and, you know, trying to get this done in the timeframe that we indicated and feel confident about that.

Robert Catellier
Executive Director and Energy Infrastructure Analyst, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Jeremy Baines
President and CEO, Tidewater Midstream

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, gentlemen, we have no other questions registered. Please proceed.

Michael Gracher
VP of Capital Markets & Investor Relations, Tidewater Midstream

Thanks, everyone, for joining the call. The team is available to address any of the pending items with our contact information at the bottom of the press release this morning.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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