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Investor Day 2020

Jun 22, 2020

Operator

Good morning. My name is Amy, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome you to the Canopy Growth Virtual Investor Meeting. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. I will now turn the call over to Judy Hong, Vice President, Investor Relations. Judy, you may begin the meeting.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thank you, Amy, and hello, everyone. Welcome to Canopy Growth's first Virtual Investor Meeting. On behalf of the Canopy Growth management team and the entire IR team, I want to thank all of you for joining us this morning. I'll cover a few housekeeping items before we get started. First, we will have a slide presentation up shortly on our website under the investor events section, and we'll also be showing the slide presentation on our webcast. Second, we'll be conducting our Q&A session at the end, during which analysts and investors will have the opportunity to ask questions. Now, for those listening to our meeting on the webcast, you can also submit questions via the question entry box that is located at the bottom of the conference website interface. We plan to finish the meeting no later than 12:00 P.M..

Also, please note that we are all dialing in from different locations, so please be patient with us if we face any technology-related issues. Finally, I'll remind you that our remarks this morning will include forward-looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions, and these slides list factors that could cause our actual results to be different than those estimates. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to David Klein, our CEO, who'll kick us off this morning. David?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Thank you, Judy. Let me also extend my welcome to all of you who are joining us today. Today, you'll hear from me and a few members of our leadership team, who will further discuss our updated strategy, which we unveiled during our Q4 earnings call a few weeks ago. We structured this meeting as a fireside discussion to really hit on many of the key questions we've been getting over the past few weeks, and we also plan to leave ample time for Q&A at the end to answer any questions you may have. Let's get underway. If we take a step back, to me, we at Canopy Growth are on a journey with a clear destination. We're thinking bigger than competing with other licensed producers and eventually the U.S. MSOs. We're positioning Canopy as a leading CPG company with brands that are household names.

We want our brands to lead the lists of most-loved brands. Our vision is to apply our talent, our physical assets, our intellectual property, and our financial resources, such that Canopy and our core brands are the consumer-preferred choice for cannabis products in the U.S., Canada, and Germany. We intend to be laser-focused on capturing a leading share position in each category, while we deliver on our commitment to profitability. Our strategy is to leverage the building blocks we already have, putting the consumer at the center of everything we do, and focusing our resources against the biggest and most profitable opportunities we see. We're building a world-class insights organization.

The best company in almost every category you can think of in CPG, the absolute undisputed leader in each space invariably has the best understanding of what motivates their consumers to purchase their products, the needs that their products are addressing for those consumers, and how to best get their products into the consumer's purchase basket. If you can see why this is important to established industries, you have to understand the outsize importance this capability takes in a newly forming industry. An industry made up of consumers who are just understanding the choices available to them. Even more important, there are tens of millions of consumers in North America alone who intend to use cannabis but haven't in the past 12 months. We need to tease out the best way to bring those consumers into the category through our brands.

We'll take those insights, connect them with our best-in-industry science and innovation capabilities, which we'll continue to enhance in order to create products, brands, and experiences that build loyal consumers. As I said earlier, we're focusing on three core markets, Canada, the U.S., and Germany. We'll continue to set the industry standard and authentically deliver in a fashion which is true to Canopy's roots in medical cannabis on our social, financial, and environmental commitments to our employees, our communities, our consumers, and our shareholders. Now, while we're refocusing our company, we're not starting from scratch. We believe we have the foundation to create a disruptive, world-class consumer goods company, which will create significant shareholder value along the way. I'm excited to be part of this journey along with the entire Canopy Growth team. I firmly believe that in business, talent matters.

Ask PE firms or VC firms about their investment criteria. In every case in which I've asked leaders of these organizations about how they choose companies in which they'll invest, I hear some variant on assess the market opportunity, understand the company's positioning, diligence their economic model, and then invest only if they have great talent. If they don't, walk away. I've also heard invest in great management team with a good plan over a good management team with a great plan. This leadership team has been in place for only a few weeks. We've assembled a strong set of people whose experience and capabilities will allow us to deliver on our ambitions.

We have a good mix of cannabis experts along with CPG experts, and everyone has a track record of success. I'm looking forward to you getting to know this group and a few others on our team at Canopy over the next few hours and subsequent months. I believe we have a great management team and a great plan. With that, I'll turn the mic over to Rade, our Chief Product Officer.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Thanks, David. Good morning, everyone. I've been in this industry for well over a decade now, and with Canopy for the past five years. I co-founded the Association of Canadian Medical Cannabis Retailers in 2010, as well as the Cannabis Council of Canada in 2013. This background of understanding the market, consumers, and products, coupled with the data-driven, best-in-class innovation and consumer insights teams we've assembled, set us up to be able to execute on our renewed vision. As we've reset our strategy, I have three clear priorities in my role of Chief Product Officer. First, to create products that are clearly differentiated with features and benefits based on consumer needs. Second, taking those products and building strong brands around them, clearly segmenting our consumers and building brands that they love.

Third, leveraging that foundation to implement a strong new product development pipeline based on targeting the largest profit pools where we have a right to win. I look forward to reviewing the strategy with you over the course of this session. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Chris, our Chief Insights Officer. Chris?

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

Thanks, Rade. Good morning, everyone. I'm Chris Edwards, the new Chief Insights Officer at Canopy Growth. I oversee our strategy, consumer and commercial insights, business intelligence, and revenue management groups. My team will work with Rade's product organization and our commercial route to market teams to identify new consumer-driven product opportunities and the best way to bring them to market. You've heard from David already about the importance of having world-class insights. Later on, I'll give you a sense of what my priorities are in the near term. Before Canopy, I spent 10 years at Constellation in several finance and strategy roles. Most recently, I was the SVP of Strategy. My team led the initial work for Constellation, analyzing the cannabis opportunity, which ultimately led to the investment in Canopy.

We recognized the consumer macro trend of mood management, giving consumers more refined ways to enhance or change their moods, and believed that Canopy was the best-positioned company to take advantage of that trend. I feel so strongly that this is the case that I welcome the opportunity to come over and work with the Canopy team. Before Constellation, I worked for the Boston Consulting Group in the consumer goods and retail practice for eight years, advising clients on topics such as growth strategy, pricing, and innovation. I'll turn it over to Julian, our Chief Innovation Officer.

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. I'm Julian Cohen. I'm the new Chief Innovation Officer here at Canopy Growth. I and my teams, we're going to be working closely with Rade's product org and Chris' insights team really to bring our consumer-driven new products ideas to life. I have over 25 years of experience in consumer insights and innovation, primarily in the beverage alcohol category. I was at Constellation Brands, and before that, Beam Suntory. Prior to that, I spent over a decade in advertising at DDB and Leo Burnett, working for clients and brands across multiple consumer goods like Gatorade, Philip Morris, General Mills, Dell, and General Motors. At Constellation, I led the business intelligence group, where I worked closely with Chris and his team on assessing cannabis opportunities for us, which, as he said, led to our investment in Canopy.

I went on to head up the Greens tar Canada division, which was the original partnership between Constellation and Canopy, and we were tasked with creating cannabis-infused beverage brands for the Canadian market, two of which are launching this year, and that's Deep Space and Quatreau. For the past year, I've worked in the U.S. cannabis and CBD space as an advisor to several companies and investors. I'm really excited to be joining Canopy right now, not only because I think this company is best positioned to win, but because of this team. I mean, I worked with David, Chris, and Mike at Constellation, and with Rade and Phil at Greens tar, so I'm really looking forward to working with this team again and to deploying our best-in-class innovation capabilities in order to bring the next generation of cannabis products to our consumers.

I'll now turn it over to Mike.

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

Thanks, Julian. Good morning, everyone. As most of you know, I've been with Canopy for a year and a half now. My experience includes companies like E. & J. Gallo Winery, PepsiCo, and most recently, Constellation Brands, with 20+ years of beverage and beverage alcohol experience throughout my career. I'd like to use a few minutes to provide you with a update on the COVID-19 impact of our businesses, following our Q4 earnings call, where we discussed how COVID-19 is impacting our Q1 performance.

In Canada, we had indicated that quarter to date through late May, our B2B business was seeing about a 15% reduction versus a rolling 13-week average during the six months ended March of 2020, and our B2C business was seeing a 50% reduction during that same time period. Our Canada rec performance has improved modestly in recent weeks as physical stores have started to open up again.

In Canada medical, our business continues to be relatively stable, and our strategic businesses are seeing some declines, though a bit better than quarter to date trend of 20%-40% reduction through late May versus the average that we've seen that six months ended of March of 2020. I'd also like to remind everybody that we continue to expect gross margin pressure in the coming quarters, given that 50% of our production costs are fixed. While we work through COVID-19, we are experiencing some lost economies of scale as a result. We expect our gross margins to be below 30% during this period of pandemic. As I mentioned in our last earnings call, we continue to take measures to limit our spending and flex down our staffing and defer or cancel altogether any non-binding commitments where we can.

It's also important to note that as sales begin to recover, we expect gross margins to normalize and continue to target that 40% gross margin number. We believe that there's runway ahead of that over time. With that, let me turn the call back over to Judy. Thank you.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thank you everyone for the introduction and for those of you joining the webcast, I do apologize for any webcast-related issues that we incurred this morning. Glad you can join us. Now we're going to move to the fireside discussion with our leadership team. As David mentioned earlier, we really wanted to use today's meeting to really focus on some of the key areas of our strategy that many of you are interested in digging deeper. I'm going to be channeling my former sell-side analyst career and moderate the discussion. Let's kick off with the first topic of the discussion, and the first topic is on the Total Addressable Market.

David, you commented during our Q4 earnings call that you believe the TAM is even bigger than you initially thought, and that Canopy can continue to grow its sales at an annual rate of 76% for the foreseeable future. The question is, can you walk us through how you see the TAM opportunity and the key drivers of Canopy's top-line growth going forward?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah, sure. When you look at the global cannabis market and really only focused on the legal channel here, it's already a sizable market, and with very high expected growth rates over the next several years. Today, we think the total addressable market, or TAM, is already close to CAD 10 billion, and I'm using Canadian dollars here. We expect total TAM to approach CAD 70 billion by calendar 2023. Interestingly, while there are many markets today that have a legal cannabis framework in some form, the U.S., Canada, and Germany account for about 90% of that Total Addressable Market. That's the reason why we focused on those three markets. When you look at the three core markets that we're focused on in the near to medium term, we see these markets growing to be over CAD 22 billion in retail sales by 2023.

All three markets are expected to grow significantly. Canada's expected to be about 4x the size that it was in 2019. U.S. CBD, 6x . In Germany, about 10 x. These are all again, by the time we get to 2023. These markets, incrementally, will reach CAD 60 billion when we can access the U.S. THC market upon federal permissibility, and recall that we have a pathway to access that market through our relationships with Acreage and TerrAscend. Our goal is to hold a leading share position in each of these markets. How do we get there? First, we can convert existing sales that are happening in the illegal market to the legal channel. In Canada, less than 40% of Canadian consumers say they buy cannabis in legal dispensaries. If you look at total retail sales, legal sales are currently 1/4 of the total market.

A key driver of this shift will be opening up more stores in provinces like Ontario, so consumers can have easy access to the products in legal channels. We continue to see the total number of licensed stores reaching around 1,200 by the end of this year. Look, opening more stores isn't enough. We plan to adjust our product offerings in order to compete more effectively against the illegal market, not just through lowering prices, but through offering superior consumer experiences in terms of safety, access, and performance. The second key driver is related to getting new consumers into the category. Based on our research, 17% of Canadian adults who currently don't consume cannabis say they intend to use recreational cannabis.

We believe that many of these people are not interested in smokable products, so we see a significant opportunity to recruit these intended consumers through products like our drinks. More consumers are looking for alternatives to alcoholic beverages, to functional beverages like sports drinks or energy drinks, and alternatives for issues with pain, sleep, and anxiety. The total alcoholic beverage market in Canada is CAD 24 billion, and functional beverages account for another CAD 2 billion. Getting 5% of the combined categories represent CAD 1.3 billion retail sales opportunity for cannabis-infused beverages in Canada across all suppliers.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. It sounds like a pretty sizable TAM opportunity that we're really excited about. Now that we understand the TAM opportunity, the next topic that we really want to delve into is our market share aspiration. Given some of the challenges that we faced in our Canada recreational business in the fourth quarter, we have gotten a lot of questions from analysts and investors around the Canadian recreational market in general, as well as our market share performance. Really this question I'll throw to Rade. What is the outlook for the Canadian recreational business and how does Canopy intend to drive leading market share position in an increasingly competitive marketplace? Rade?

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Thanks, Judy. To set the table, we track all provinces based on a variety of data points. However, we use Ontario, Nova Scotia, and P.E.I. for in-depth detail as they're the three provinces with the most transparent SKU level data provided by the provinces. Clearly, winning in Ontario, Quebec, Alberta, and British Columbia are key to winning in Canada. First of all, we've been a leading market share player since the legalization of recreational cannabis in Canada. We believe we still hold top three market share position in most of the provinces and territories. While we have seen softening of market share performance in recent months, particularly in places like Ontario and Alberta, we're taking positive active steps to address those challenges. As we have indicated during our earnings call, we are focused on four key areas in the near term to drive improved market share performance.

First, a more focused product portfolio approach. Second, improving our share in the value segment. Third, a strong focus on winning in 2.0 products, and lastly, improving quality across all of our products. Let me quickly go through the first three points and we'll speak to item four later in the presentation. One of the key areas of focus is reducing complexity in our portfolio so that we can better meet demand of high velocity products. Roughly 30% of our SKUs have accounted for 80% of our Canada recreational shipments. Simply put, we had too many low velocity SKUs that were creating complexity throughout our supply chain and taking away resources from executing on the supply of high velocity SKUs. We've missed opportunities to capture CAD 20 million in sales in Q4 alone due to product availability issues.

We have already conducted the initial SKU rationalization that was completed in March of this year, which will reduce our SKU count by approximately 30%, focusing on our high velocity SKUs. This will enable us to focus supply on faster moving SKUs, increasing our ability to meet demand while also reducing our cost and complexity of operations. Additional SKU reductions are likely as we continue to look at opportunities to further optimize our product portfolio as the market matures. Another key focus area is improving our share within the value segment. Over the past few quarters, the value segment has grown significantly and now accounts for nearly 25% of the total market. Competition has intensified and the recent entries of lower priced offerings have caused significant market share shifts within the value segment.

Our value brand, Twd., as a result, has seen its share within the value segment decline in the last quarter. In the short term, we are improving competitiveness of Twd. through three key areas, making price adjustments on a market-by-market basis, increasing focus on larger pack sizes as we've seen this change occur during the COVID era, and increasing and tightening the THC ranges, focusing on moving to 20%+ THC for our Twd. indica and sativa flower products. We began to roll out the program in P.E.I. in Quebec at the end of May. We expect to be completed nationally by early July. Initial market results so far have been very promising. Twd. sales velocity at retail is showing significant acceleration. Shipments are also increasing in the early entry provinces.

That said, we believe that the value segment will remain competitive and we expect additional deep value competitive brands to enter the market, which we plan to also participate through another brand we will be launching later in Q2. At the same time, we are working to develop a comprehensive long-term value strategy. We see value playing a key role in driving a shift from the illicit to the legal channel. We also recognize there's more to value than just price or THC level. We'll leverage our consumer insights and design to value to strengthen our value brand's positioning on a sustainable basis go forward. Finally, we are focused on winning in the 2.0 product segments. Since the opening of the rec market for 2.0 products late last year, we have seen the 2.0 products grow in its share within the recreational cannabis market in Canada.

In Ontario, 2.0 products account for 25% of total recreational sales in May. We are also seeing our 2.0 product contribution increasing, with 12% of our B2B recreational sales quarter to date through week 11 generating from 2.0 products. Of note, we are seeing beverages grabbing a growing slice of the market, with beverage accounting for 28% of the combined edibles and beverage category sales in Ontario in May. We are the number one player in cannabis beverages with 35% value share and 54% volume share in May alone. We are excited about the consumer responses that our beverages have been generating thus far.

In a recent survey we conducted amongst those who tried our Tweed Houndstooth & Soda beverage, the first we brought to market. 73% of consumers say they would purchase the beverage in the future, 75% of consumers would recommend it to their friends or family, 20% of consumers who are open to repurchasing claim it would replace an alcoholic beverage. Our other beverages in market, Tweed Bakerstreet & Ginger, Houseplant Grapefruit, and Deep Space, are generating equally positive responses so far, and we look forward to the consumer insights work we'll be continuing to do on those entries. In total, we've now shipped over 530,000 units to date and are doubling weekly production runs to ensure that we can meet demand. Our premium chocolates have also seen demand exceed our supply since the launch. We've doubled our production, and as a result, are now able to produce to demand.

Within edibles, we are also looking at expanding our product portfolio to address other high-demand product categories and plan to launch our line of gummies by the end of fiscal 2021. In vapes, we have two platforms in market, our Tokyo Smoke Luma closed-loop pod-based system, as well as our universal 510-thread cartridges. Since the Tokyo Smoke Luma battery launched in our corporate-owned retail stores at the end of March, the performance has continued to build. Consumer feedback has been overwhelmingly positive, with our focus on quality of both our formulations and hardware. For example, the UL 8139 certification. These investments on quality on both ends of the products are proving extremely valuable. Within our retail stores, Luma is outperforming PAX, primarily driven by the competitive price point of Luma.

Since the launch in January, the JUJU Power battery has quickly become our top-selling battery, and accessory for that matter, in our corporately-owned retail stores. We will continue to roll out additional 510 vape cartridges in the months to come. With that, back over to you, Judy.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thank you, Rade. I think this is a pretty comprehensive overview of the actions that we're taking to strengthen our market share performance in an increasingly dynamic marketplace in Canada rec. Now let's shift our gear to the U.S. CBD market. U.S. is obviously one of the three core focus markets for us. Many believe, however, that the market is developing perhaps slower than initially expected, and it's also a very fragmented market with no real brand differentiation. I'm going to ask David this question. How do you see the U.S. CBD market developing, and how does Canopy become a leader in this U.S. CBD market? David?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Thanks, Judy. Just one thing I'll point out, in case everyone on the phone isn't aware of it, which is, we can't play in any cannabis plant-touching activities in the U.S., right? We're precluded from that sort of activity. After the passage of the Farm Bill, we're able to participate in the market in the U.S. for CBD derived from hemp. We do have a team of people in the U.S. working on that, and we're just generally excited about the U.S. CBD market opportunity. In a pretty short period of time, the U.S. CBD market has become a multi-billion-dollar market. Our estimates suggest it's currently a CAD 3 billion industry growing at about 58% annually, and the expectations are that it'll reach CAD 10 billion by 2023.

We believe product formats like soft gel or capsules, beverages, topicals, and pet care are going to lead category growth over the next few years. From a consumer standpoint, the CBD market is cluttered and confusing. There are more than 2,700 CBD brands in the market. 86% of Americans have heard of CBD, but only 18% have tried it. Of those 86%, 2/3 have no knowledge of any specific CBD brand. Many brands that grew quickly are now facing pressure to continue historical growth trajectories, primarily due to an increasingly crowded and highly varied competitive space. The CBD category, therefore, is returning to a fragmented state, with 94% of companies seeing sales below a million dollars. We believe this presents an opportunity for us to capture significant market share and allows us to differentiate ourselves with science-backed, product-focused, and ultimately brand-led approaches to this market.

We have some of the best cannabinoid researchers on our team focused on clinical research and product development and believe our CBD products have quality and efficacy second to none. Our focus is on delivering the consistent experience that consumers demand, and we offer a portfolio of product across all of our brands to target a range of specific consumer need states. We're also providing the leadership this category sorely needs, both a resource for consumer education and a voice for our industry on Capitol Hill. Let me spend a little bit of time on this topic. We've been working closely with the FDA to share our research around CBD safety and efficacy at different dosages and to work with them to establish a recommended daily dose for CBD.

We've formally submitted public comments, actually in early October, regarding safety data on CBD and have since been requested by the FDA to share our science, which we are providing on a rolling basis. The FDA initiated a process to potentially redefine the definition of CBD. They've held hearings in opened and closed public comment periods, which we believe will ultimately lead to a legal definition of CBD. We're also continuing ongoing discussions with leaders, on Capitol Hill to provide a legislative solution for CBD through the classification as a dietary supplement. In fact, there's a current bill that's been introduced by the House Ag Committee Chairman, Collin Peterson, which would amend the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act to reclassify CBD as a dietary supplement.

We entered the U.S. CBD market just in late 2019 with the launch of our First & Free hemp-based CBD brands and the rollout of BioSteel CBD for sport, which went into 500+ Vitamin Shoppe locations. We think that's just the beginning of the robust and varied portfolio of CBD products we have in store for the U.S. market. This Works has launched a line of CBD booster skincare, which is currently available through direct-to-consumer channels in the U.S. . We also plan to launch our Martha Stewart-branded offerings in the coming months, focused first on human consumables, and then broadening to include pet-focused offerings. By the end of this calendar year, we're planning to launch 40+ CBD-based SKUs in the U.S. as we expand our offerings across the category with tinctures, gummies, inhalable options, and beverages.

Our aspiration in the U.S. CBD market is based upon our expectation that by FY 2023, the U.S. CBD market would be a $10 billion market at retail. The FDA would have clarified CBD regulations, opening a pathway to broader distribution and product formats, and would be on the way to becoming a leading CBD supplier to large format retailers and, of course, building toward that top three market share position. I think, Judy, it's a very attractive market. We think that between our science and our brands, and the route-to-market capabilities we're building in the U.S., we'll be well-positioned to take advantage of that.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thanks, David. I'm certainly taking advantage of using our First & Free products here in the U.S., and I really look forward to trying the Martha products when it launches later this year. Let's shift gears and ask a financial question. This one is going to be for you, Mike. Many on the street were surprised that our SG&A expenses increased in the fourth quarter, and they're also hoping to see a greater effort made by us to cut SG&A expenses. How is Canopy really balancing investing for growth while also reducing costs so that we can improve margins?

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. Thanks, Judy. Let's first take a look at each of the areas of spending within our OpEx for fiscal year 2020. Sales and marketing expenses have seen modest increases in the second half of the fiscal year, driven really by the launch of our 2.0 products and our CBD investments that David spoke about a few minutes ago. G&A, as you can see, shows a little more volatility quarter- to- quarter, just given the timing of certain expenses, certain projects that we're working on. When you look at share-based compensation, you can see that we've made tremendous progress in really reining in some of the costs as we've revamped our total rewards compensation program and really ended the year with what would be a good run rate going forward for share-based compensation as we move through FY 2021. D&A costs, depreciation and amortization costs.

There was a bit of a true-up in Q4. The run rates that you saw in Q1, Q2 through Q3 are pretty good run rates going forward. With that, I think it's also important to keep in mind that SG&A expenses reflect investments to support our long-term growth as well as our day-to-day operations on the business. When you look at total SG&A, the U.S. accounted for 8% of our FY 2020 SG&A as we're building out our U.S. infrastructure ahead of our CBD launch. It's really spend that we're incurring ahead of revenues. When you think about SG&A loads, that's an important thing to keep in mind, that we are investing for growth.

When you look at Canada, I think it's also important to note that we own our own corporate retail stores that carry its own operating costs as well that lands in our SG&A number too. While we have centralized sales and marketing costs within Canada, our rec B2B portion accounted for less than half of our total sales and marketing expenses in Canada for FY 2020. That being said, we are focused on right-sizing our cost structure, and we know that our current SG&A load isn't nearly where we'd like it to be over time. In the near term, you should expect to see a few areas of opportunities.

First, the headcount reductions that we made in April and May will begin to flow through SG&A starting in Q1 of FY 2021, and there's roughly CAD 20 million of savings on an annualized basis that will start to flow through. Secondly, we are still going through org changes, and as these actions take place, we are expected to see further SG&A reductions in coming quarters. And then finally, our R&D efforts are going to be more focused on near-term, high-return projects, and I think that will also help to improve our SG&A load. When you take a step back and say over the medium term, what can you expect?

First and foremost, I would say all of the leaders on this call today, as well as some of the leaders not on this call, will be personally responsible for achieving certain SG&A targets over the next couple of years. It's an important part of our incentive structure, and we are working through developing those targets as we speak, and I can assure you we're making tremendous progress in a very short period of time. When you step back and think about those SG&A loads over the medium term, we expect sales and marketing expenses to be in the mid-teens as a percentage of sales by FY 2023, and we expect our G&A to be in the high single digits, but really conservatively low double digits as a percentage of sales. R&D expenses should be in that mid-single digit range.

That's what we're using for our internal modeling for profitability, and I think that's good guidance going forward. Judy, hopefully that's helpful.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Yeah, no, I think that's a great target, and I think that will help people to understand that means that our operating margin should improve as those ratios really come into fruition. The next topic that we're going to focus on is really about quality. I know we've talked a lot about how we're really focusing on improving quality, both on the product side as well as on the operations side. Really the questions around our plan to improve quality of both the products and operations, so that we can deliver the right product at the right time, at the right price from the right facility. Julian, maybe you can start with talking about the product quality improvement efforts that you're involved in. Then Mike, if you can talk about the operational improvement projects that we have under review.

Julian, I'll turn it over to you.

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

Right. Great. Thanks, Judy. We have a number of initiatives underway to improve our product quality. Given the nature of cannabis products, we see significant opportunities to leverage our strong agricultural science work and our capabilities there, our best-in-class resources, and really our best-in-class team. We're taking steps to integrate our agricultural science teams and our product operations teams. That's the first thing we're doing. We're addressing critical consumer feedback that we believe will improve the quality of our flower. A couple examples to highlight here. We've implemented higher moisture level standards in our drying processes, and we're assessing adjustments that we can make to better preserve our terpene profile. Again, there'll be more coming out of this group, but these are two things that I think are quick wins here. Mike?

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

I'd say another key project, I briefly spoke about this during our Q4 earnings call, but we recently began a full end-to-end supply chain diagnostic with the help of a top-tier outside firm. This diagnostic really aims to take our supply chain and really make it a competitive advantage for Canopy. It's really going to be through better aligning our commercial strategy with our supply chain, and we believe that that's going to unlock tremendous value over the next three to five years as we really look to operate truly on an end-to-end fashion to make us more nimble as a supply chain to allow us to shift to varying consumer needs. We think that there's just tremendous value to leverage on what really is a best-in-class set of facilities across Canada. Look, stay tuned.

In the Q&A session, we certainly can talk more about this. I'd also say that a big part of our consumer-first strategy is design to value. This is a really big opportunity for Canopy as well because we need to be more focused on understanding the various features and benefits that exist in our products, and using our research to really understand what consumers think about each of these attributes. We'll be asking ourselves what attributes do they care about most, which are unimportant. As you segment this understanding, it really allows you to understand where to invest in your product in a way that maximizes consumer value. In areas where consumers just don't care, you value engineer those products so that you drive your efficiencies and really help to achieve your cost targets and your margin profile.

In the end, design to value is really about delivering a product on all the features and benefits where it matters, while also allowing you to achieve all of your margin goals. This is a capability that you'll see at many leading consumer product companies. This is a capability that will provide many short-term benefits, but this is really about building a long-term sustainable capability that integrates with the way we operate from a consumer product package assortment perspective and integrating it with the supply chain. We believe this is an opportunity to really create a competitive advantage for Canopy.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thank you both. Sounds like a lot of comprehensive projects that we'll be able to share more as we go forward on the quality improvement area. We'll shift to insights and innovation. Chris and Julian, you two are the newest members of our executive team. Both of you are really responsible for an incredibly important part of our strategy, insights and innovation. Could you speak to the key areas of focus for your efforts in the near to medium term? What do you see as the biggest opportunities for Canopy when you think about consumer insights as well as innovation? Chris, why don't we start with you?

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

Great. Thanks, Judy. Canopy's done a lot of work already to understand our current and potential consumers. In the near term, our focus from an insight standpoint is really to optimize our current and future product portfolio. Mike just talked about our design to value initiatives. In order to do that really effectively, we need to know what product characteristics consumers and gatekeepers, such as budtenders, really value. One of the exciting things about this category is how dynamic it is. For example, in Canada over the last 12 months, only a quarter of our potential audience consumed cannabis. Within that group, 37% bought from legal channels, 1/4 bought from the black market, and 31% had it given to them from a friend or family member. Another group we call intenders make up about 17% of the population.

Three quarters of them used cannabis in the past but aren't using it today, and about 1/4 have never tried cannabis but are open to it now. Finally, 58% of the population today say that they won't buy cannabis, but of that group, 38% say that they would buy it if they had a medical condition. From the research that we've done on these groups to date, there are different barriers that need to be overcome in order to get them to consume our products. For current consumers of cannabis, roughly 1/3 aren't actually purchasing products. We can win by encouraging them to purchase legally and educating them that there are occasions beyond social occasions. From the roughly 25% purchasing from the black market, we can bring them over to the legal market through product innovation, quality, and convenience. Intenders are concerned about smoking and the smell of cannabis.

The lapsed intenders, those who used in the past, believe that it doesn't fit into their current lifestyle, while those who never used are concerned about how it might make them feel. For both groups of intenders, product innovation that doesn't require inhalation is a huge opportunity. There's an opportunity with lapsed intenders to show them how new products and occasions can fit into their current lifestyle. For example, our beverage portfolio has products with rapid onset and no calories and sugar. Finally, rejectors need further education on the benefits of cannabis and normalization of occasions to feel comfortable. We need to focus on products that are similar to what they use today, such as beverages and OTC products, to win them over.

Based on research we've done historically and work we're kicking off now to continue to better understand consumer need states, we are designing new products and refining existing products to align to these different potential consumer segments. These opportunities differ across THC and CBD products and other cannabinoids, and also differ by geography, depending on the maturity and evolution of the markets. There's a lot of focus today, and rightly so, on how players in our industry are performing relative to each other. These are still early innings in our category's evolution. There are still enormous opportunities to bring new consumers into the category through product innovation and superior R&D.

When I look at my own friends and family, as they become more educated about the products and the market, I see my friends and family, even those who haven't used cannabis in the past, trying our products. With that, I'll turn it over to Julian to talk about our innovation capabilities.

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

Thanks, Chris. Overall, I think Canopy has a tremendous opportunity to use all of our best-in-class science and our product development capabilities to meet the needs of current and future consumers. I've been working outside of the big business side of cannabis for the cannabis category for about a year, and I can tell you that Canopy is viewed as being uniquely able to unleash the power of cannabis. Now that I'm inside, I can truly see the competitive advantage we have in terms of talent and technology. It's up to us now to use all of these capabilities to win. Across the innovation team, we have a strong team that has a proven track record. We have a world-class group of agricultural scientists, who I mentioned earlier. They continue to find new ways to improve our cannabis flower quality.

Their efforts in breeding, genomics, agronomy, crop protection, and crop physiology are going to lead us to lower cost, high quality dried flower across all of our grow platforms, so it's indoor, greenhouse, and outdoor. By putting the consumer first via the sensory panel work that we're doing in conjunction with insights, we are growing products with optimal moisture levels, consistent THC levels, and the aromatics and terpene and taste profile that we know consumers want. We have a formulations team, and they position us to be the market leader in cannabis beverages, edibles, soft gels, and topicals. We built unrivaled soft gel encapsulation technology, proprietary continuous extraction, and short path distillation techniques, and groundbreaking beverage manufacturing practices. We're already seeing the results here, as David and Rade have talked about.

You know, we have the leading soft gel brands in Canada. Our new beverages, like Houseplant, Tweed, and Deep Space, not only deliver optimal onset and duration, they taste great, and some of them have zero calories. Our vape technology team is leading the way in user technologies in the cannabis and CBD space. We have the first UL 8139 certified cannabis vapes on the market. Our 510 vape battery launched late last year and is the best-selling 510 vape battery in OCS. We have Tokyo Smoke, the Luma closed loop system of battery cartridges that we've launched in March.

You know, we have a custom-built, fully automated filling and packaging line designed to scale our production as the vape business grows and as we invest new user technologies. We have a human effects team who continues to lead the charge on cannabis research across a variety of ailments and applications to support structure function claims for our products where applicable, and to advance the medicinal and wellness potential of cannabis. Given that, and that really gets us to our short term, as Chris mentioned, how do we win in the near term? I'm also enthusiastic about what's next. We have to win in beverages, edibles, and vape because that's where the consumers are going, as Rade and Chris have noted.

Whether they are current category users looking for new experiences, intenders who are interested but haven't stepped into the category yet, or these rejecters who need more approachable formats to give them the confidence to try cannabis. Because we have this expertise in beverages, edibles, and vape in Canada, the U.S., and in Germany, we can bring these new occasions and new consumers into Canopy. We have to win in flower because that's the fuel for our engine, as well as a significant part of the market. We're continuously improving our flower products and raw materials for extracts via the new grow technologies and improved seed genetics and the processes and integration with operations that I talked about earlier.

We're implementing consumer feedback into our product development through the value chain and across all product formats, from our sensory panels to our multiple research projects on the human effects of cannabinoids. You put all this together, this increased collaboration across our ever-improving R&D capabilities, in conjunction with advanced consumer insights, and we're going to see true innovation. First and foremost, innovation within our existing categories of flower, vape, beverages, edibles, soft gels, and topicals. Beyond this, I think there are other untapped and even undefined product formats out there, which I'm confident that this team with these technologies are going to find. Over to you, Judy.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thank you, Chris and Julian. It sounds really great to just to hear about a lot of the efforts that's already underway. I think we've had a really strong foundation to begin with. Importantly now, really using a collaborative approach to take our insights and innovation going forward. We're really excited to see the efforts going forward in the future. I think the last topic of the fireside discussion, really is looking at our key milestones, and the question is for David and Mike. We have indicated our plans to communicate new financial metrics in second half of fiscal 2021 and financial milestones in the second half of fiscal 2021.

I think a lot of investors are hoping to have a better clarity around path to profitability, and some of the key milestones that they can track, so that they can gauge how we're progressing against the new strategies, and to really gauge whether the strategy is working or not. I'm going to turn it over to David and Mike to just kind of help people understand from your perspective, what are the key metrics to really gauge our progress going forward. David?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I'll start out then, Judy. A couple of things. For those of you that I've worked with in the past, you know that I think it is important to have those milestones out there. I also think it's important to set milestones and then over-deliver over time. Right? It takes some time, and I'm taking my time to make sure that I understand the milestones that we set from a financial standpoint before I want to commit to the delivery. Again, my expectation is once we put them out there, we achieve them, and of course, the COVID-19 issues haven't helped us kind of take that view as quickly as I'm sure many of you would like, and certainly as quickly as I would like.

We fully understand the importance of showing progress against our strategies, however, which is different really a bit from the financial targets. As Judy mentioned before, it's our intention to put those new financial targets out in the second half of our fiscal year. In terms of key financial metrics that you can hold us accountable, as you gauge our progress, I think it needs to tie back to our strategy. The first thing that we need to be able to answer is, are we winning with the consumer? We're going to measure this by our dollar share in our core markets. Of course, by net sales growth on a year-over-year basis. The second question really is, are we improving our overall execution?

We're going to measure this through increasing our customer order fill rates, reducing our out of stock at retail, and also ensuring that we're meeting the quality objectives that we put out there for ourselves. Mike, I'll let you take the other two areas.

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

Sure. Look, when it comes to path to profitability, the biggest metric that matters is what David just talked about, which is building scale. Gross margin's equally important and highlighting the supply chain project that we're working on, the design to value, but even some of the capabilities around revenue management are all going to be important levers in getting to and exceeding that 40% gross margin target. That's obviously a metric that we're going to be laser-focused on. I think the SG&A load is also important, and as you heard earlier, we now have programmed our FY 2023 targets for SG&A load that every member of the leadership team is accountable to. I would expect that as we proceed through FY 2021, you'll start to see quarter-by-quarter progress on that SG&A load. It's also about cash.

We've added a free cash flow metric to all of our incentives for FY 2021. We'll be looking at working capital improvements in the areas of inventory. That's an area that as the business has scaled.

We just need to get tighter on how we manage inventory, and it's a balance between achieving fill rates, but also making sure that we're not overbuilding. That's going to be a big area of emphasis. Then, of course, capital spending. As we're coming off of a 2.5 Year phase of build-out of our Canada infrastructure, you'll see a pretty big pullback on capital in FY 2021. We're currently targeting capital spend of around CAD 300 million for the fiscal year. Those are, I think, four important metrics that we'll show progress on over the next three, four or five quarters. Back to you, Judy.

Judy Hong
VP of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Great. Thank you, everyone. I think this was really an insightful discussion on really a lot of the topics that I think investors and analysts were really asking after our Q4 earnings. We hope that this gave really good insights into the key questions that many of you have had. At this point, I think we'll move on to actually a live Q&A session. For this session, my colleague Tyler Burns will be working with the operator, to manage the Q&A parts of the section. I'm going to turn it over to you, Tyler.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Thank you, Judy, and good morning, everyone. As a reminder for those that are listening to our meeting over the phone, you can submit a question by pressing star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. For those listening to our meeting via the webcast, you can submit questions via the question entry box that is located at the bottom left of the webcast interface. To get to as many questions as possible, we ask that attendees limit themselves to one question, and media are asked to refrain from asking questions during the session and are instead encouraged to follow up with our media relations group. Operator, can we please have the first question from the phone?

Operator

Your first question today comes from the line of Graeme Kreindler with Eight Capital. Your line is open.

Graeme Kreindler
Analyst, Eight Capital

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions here. I wanted to follow up with respect to some of the comments you had on U.S. CBD. I'm in agreement in terms of the large opportunity there, and all the things we have to look forward there. You talked about a very fragmented landscape in terms of brands, some of the regulatory hurdles there. I was wondering, with respect to the goal of launching 40+ SKUs in the near term, when you think about the routes to market and the channels there, my understanding is it's still very difficult to get big box retailers to take these products, or if they do, get in some of those repeat orders.

I guess between now and a potential regulatory catalyst, I wanted to get some more details in terms of what that rollout strategy looks like, and I guess what happens between now and the point till the Holy Grail moment where you're on every big box store shelf possible, e-commerce and firing on all cylinders there? Thanks.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I think you make a good point as it relates to getting on the shelf. We have access to several retailers that normal CPG companies would refer to as key accounts that we believe we can get on the shelf, at least with some of our products waiting for final FDA resolution. What we're doing with our route to market strategy is we're positioning ourselves to be able to quickly address the needs of those big players, whether it's in big box retail or convenience, so that as soon as those markets open, we believe that we would have an inside track in order to be able to get that distribution that's so important to ultimately establishing the brand footprint. I would say we're going to get our products in the market, using the categories, the product types that we can.

Of course, you can get topicals in the market today. A little less easy, I suppose, to get ingestibles in the market. We can get topicals in the market at all levels of retailer. We can get the remainder of our portfolio into independents and some key accounts. What we're really doing is we're getting our brands in the consumer's hands. We're proving that our products are in fact superior, and we're positioning ourselves for explosive growth once we can actually access the big box retailers.

Graeme Kreindler
Analyst, Eight Capital

Okay, great. I appreciate the color there. As a follow-up to that, I think a lot of people would consider the CBD segment to fall somewhere in health and wellness. You talked a lot about the advancements in R&D and the amount of cannabinoid science you're doing, some of that you're sharing with the FDA. I think back to your comments from the last earnings call where, David, you remarked definitively that Canopy is not going to be looking to compete in the pharmaceutical space. I just wanted to get some detail on bridging the gap, or how those two different areas stay separated in terms of what you're doing on the CBD side and the amount of research you're doing.

Where does that stop, or where do you toe the line between that and more of a pharmaceutical area, keeping that within the context of the entire TAM that cannabis could potentially go to in the future?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah, I'm actually glad you asked that question, because I don't think I was clear on the earnings call. What we're really doing is we're pivoting a bit away from pure pharma style research, which, as many of you know, requires a lot of investment, it takes a long time, and it's questionable to the extent that you could get drug identification numbers or DINs as it relates to cannabis. We still have a little bit of research that we'll continue in this area, but most of our efforts will be focused on, I guess, if you're looking at it on the U.S. side of the border, what feels a lot more like over-the-counter medication.

Being able to compete with over-the-counter sorts of products that help individuals with sleep, anxiety, and pain, which is a massive addressable market, which isn't included in the numbers that we've laid out in the presentations today. That remains an area of focus. We're just saying we're going to tack away from pure pharma, pure pharmacy, pharmaceutical drug development, just because we don't think that that's in our sweet spot. As I said, it also is quite costly and takes a long time, and your likelihood of success, we think, is fairly low.

Graeme Kreindler
Analyst, Eight Capital

That's great. Very helpful. One last question, if I could sneak it in here. With respect to, in your opening remarks, you talked about competing and ultimately competing with some of the MSOs, and you have various strategies, whether it's through CBD, whether that's through Acreage or TerrAscend. I'm wondering, because the landscape shifts so quickly from a regulatory standpoint, or even from what becomes important for various operators at various points in time, how should we be thinking about your optionality in the U.S. market? Is it a strategy where you're looking to nurture your current investments, or are you still very active in pursuing or potentially looking at other opportunities and continuing to branch out the strategy and the optionality that comes with it? Thank you very much.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I want to reset back to our overall strategy, which is we need to prove out our model in Canada. We need to develop great products using consumer insights that we pull from all of our markets, bring those products to market where we can, which is in Canada. Get them to the market in other markets at the discretion of Acreage, which has the rights to our IP in the U.S. That we begin to build that ecosystem across the markets where we're proving out the cannabis story. We're proving out our products. We're improving our products on an ongoing basis, so that when the U.S. market opens, we can very aggressively accelerate deploying those sorts of products into the U.S. market.

That sort of activity is going on today as a result of the relationships that we have in place, and we expect to just accelerate that over time. The next phase would come upon federal permissibility, in which instance, we have the obligation to acquire the Acreage shares. We also have a pathway to partial ownership of TerrAscend. We think that with that as our platform in the U.S. and this continued consumer insights and innovation cycle, we think we'll be well-positioned to take advantage of the U.S. market upon permissibility. We'll get a bit of a fast start. Beyond that, we'll continue to investigate brands and capabilities that we need in our portfolio for the continued growth of the Canadian market or to access the U.S. market upon permissibility. We're, for the most part, going to stay focused on just executing our strategy.

Graeme Kreindler
Analyst, Eight Capital

Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Chu of Desjardins Capital. Your line is open.

John Chu
Analyst, Desjardins Capital

Hi. Good morning. Just regarding your OpEx related targets for fiscal 2023, are you factoring in that you're more than likely going to be growing into those numbers, those targets, or is there going to be a decent portion of that being streamlining the cost and reducing those numbers going forward? The second part of that question would be, how much do you plan on attributing that to the U.S., given that you don't have nearly the same sales, marketing, promotional type restrictions that we have in Canada? Thank you.

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. John, I'll take that. This is Mike. It's a little of both, and it's really the work of the management team looking at all of our capabilities across the various functions within Canopy and looking at the pathway to those targets. Some of it's going to be driven by efficiencies in technology. Some of it's going to be driven by op model changes and putting shared service centers in place. Some of it's going to be purely driven by economies of scale, driven by the revenue growth. We're taking, I'd say, a very rational approach in making sure that we're not building SG&A targets that rely solely on revenue growth, to make sure that we've got a balanced roadmap to achieve these targets.

It's really the work of the team at this point, and I'd say each of those levers are going to play an important role, whether it's technology, op model, or growth. Our confidence level in getting these targets is pretty high. When it comes to the U.S., look, we're spending 8% of our SG&A on the U.S. because we believe that the U.S. really is the future for the company when it comes to the total addressable market. You've seen the math. It's a massive opportunity in CBD alone.

Upon federal permissibility, it becomes the biggest market in the world. We want to make sure that we're making investments today to enable us to capture that growth down the road. We are spending it ahead of revenue in the U.S. We'll continue to spend ahead of revenue for probably the next couple of years, at which point we'll start to grow into that SG&A load and start to show better financial performance for the U.S. We believe it's the right growth strategy at this point.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

David, we have a question from online. Are you working to make it easier for Canadians to purchase your cannabis beverages?

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Rade here. I can take that one. I think there's a few points on it. Firstly, accessibility of beverages is definitely key as we look to disrupt beverage alcohol, and move intenders or rejecters into the cannabis market. Really, the solve for this is a mix of points of purchase and trial. If I give you an example, I walk around my neighborhood during these COVID times and talk to my neighbors in their driveways. Vast majority of which don't consume cannabis or have not in 30 years, but they're curious now that it's legal. They're not smokers, so smoking joints or flower is not super appealing to them. Vapes, even, they associate with nicotine. Edibles and beverages are the easiest point of entry. Within that, everyone remembers someone from university who had a, quote, bad brownie experience, right?

Moving to edibles, mentally, it causes some duress. Where beverages I've sort of seen playing well is the idea that they are substitutable, right? If a neighbor asks me, and says, I like White Claw. I'm looking for a beverage with low calories. I can tell them, just replace that White Claw with a Tweed & Soda. They know from a consumer experience what to expect. What I see happening right now in Canada is trial is key. One of my neighbors will go, and they'll buy one, and they like it, and then they'll go and buy five more. They'll share a couple with their friends, right? Through this trial, people realize that it delivers on the effect that they're expecting. The duration is akin to alcohol. The flavors are great.

From that perspective, they'll then go and make purchase. With purchase, one of the key things we obviously need is more stores. In Alberta, with over 400 stores in place, this is a non-issue. In Ontario, with now coming close to 100 open, we need many more, but they're coming quick. If I put in context right now where I live in Ottawa, I have to drive 20 minutes to a store. I have one opening three minutes from my house in the next two months. From that perspective, the gap of stores, and points of purchase to where people live is closing very quickly. I think the other big change during the COVID pandemic is e-commerce and same-day delivery.

Across Canada, provinces have changed the retail regulations to allow for retail stores to have same-day delivery as a way of increasing their economic viability during the pandemic. What this has done is once someone's had that trial, it makes it very easy for them to go online, place a purchase, and have it delivered to their home within a matter of hours. From that perspective, the ability to disrupt usual purchasing habits, which the pandemic has done for all CPG products, move people online and make cannabis beverages much more accessible, has worked quite well. The third point around both trial and purchase is a number of provinces have opened, prior to the pandemic, formal on-premise consultations. Looking at cannabis purchases and sales at on-premise institutions.

Most provinces have rules around smoking and vaping indoors, this lends itself to beverages and edibles. Similar, if you look at beverage alcohol, because of the session ability of cannabis beverages, they play best to the economic model for any entrepreneurs or businesses looking to enter an on-premise space. That will give us a further point of distribution and sales in the future, as well as trial to have consumers try our products. The other quick thing I just want to touch on is the equivalency factor, which often comes up with beverages. Currently, Health Canada has a rule around possession limits, which puts our consumers in a place where they can buy five cans of a Tweed & Soda, or 14 cans of our Deep Space product based on the volume size.

Whether it's Health Canada or the provinces, I think everyone acknowledges that this approach hasn't made sense. Frankly, it was an oversight when the regulations were created, because beverages are sort of new to the industry. I would expect that that'll be solved sort of in the next months or year to come as Health Canada looks at the regulations, which will again, make it easier for consumers to go in, buy a 12-pack and have Tweed & Soda sitting on their shelf at home.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Operator, we have a question from the phone, please.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Rupesh Parikh of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Rupesh Parikh
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I was curious, from an M&A perspective in your key markets, the U.S., Canada, and Germany, how does M&A fit into your priorities going forward?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. We're pretty happy with the portfolio set that we have today, and we think that we really need to continue to integrate the businesses that we have acquired, like.

like BioSteel, Storz & Bickel and This Works. We think there's tremendous upside from really unleashing the sales potential of those organizations, and we really need to also get our ducks in a row in terms of executing in our core markets. I wouldn't expect us to be super active in the M&A space. That said, we'll continue to look for white spaces that could offer something that would create a differentiation for us going forward. I wouldn't expect to see a lot in the way of M&A in the near term. My preference would be to keep our powder dry for a time when we get much closer to federal permissibility in the U.S.

Rupesh Parikh
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay, great. One follow-up question. On Cannabis 2.0, so your commentary during the presentation was very upbeat on the beverage side of yours. Looks like you guys have a leading position there. As you look at vapes, edibles, and some of your offers there, how do you characterize your position right now versus some of the other players out there?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

I'll let Rade take this one.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I think there's two parts. I think, in full transparency, we were late to the market compared to our competitors. A mix of when our beverage facility was licensed by Health Canada, but really, the shift culturally at Canopy from first to best. Our share is lower than we would like, and in the slides that were shown earlier, we went from a 2% to 12%, but 2.0 products are now north of 20% of the market. That said, we are very happy with the quality of our products. I'll give you the examples of, well, across vapes, chocolates, and beverages, I guess, all work well. On beverages, we have a clear moat via our intellectual property around our beverages.

Focusing on a product that has a great consumer experience, which then allows us to build great brands around it, you see the extensions of Houseplant, Tweed into beverages of known brands with consumer awareness, but now the building of Deep Space, and as Julian mentioned, Quatreau coming later this year, really giving us an opportunity there. On vapes, we put a lot of effort into safety as well as consumer experience. Unlike many others, we did inhalation studies to know exactly what was coming off of our vape. We're able to be comfortable and say we have scientific data that says there is 0.001 of the off-gassing that comes from a joint. They are drastically safer than smoking a pre-rolled joint, which is consumed by the vast majority of consumers in the industry.

I think the other part is the focus on the formulation. Ensuring that the formulations within that vape hardware is designed that, one, it focuses on the safety of our consumers, two, that it also focuses on the consumer experience, everywhere from the initial taste to the feeling in one's throat, and the potency of the distillate. From that perspective, I think we have a large opportunity there, but frankly, we're only about four weeks into the market on scale with our vapes. The third I'd say is look at our chocolate. Right? We chose not to play in the value segment for chocolate. Chocolate will not be as large as gummies and vapes, where we will play in the value segment for 2.0.

What we chose with chocolates was to go after the premium segment with a clearly differentiated product. We take chocolate beans, we roast them in-house, turn them into craft quality chocolate bars that we're then able to bring to market. What we felt was good there is we went after clear consumer needs, based on our consumer insights work, to ensure that we'd have products that would be able to hold market share with longevity, rather than opening a race to bottom on value chocolate right from the outset. I think across all three, there is much room for us to grow, and there's no doubt that our targets are to increase from where we are. I think that decision to come out with very strong product offerings focused on consumer needs, was the right one, rather than racing to market last December.

Rupesh Parikh
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Grey with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open.

Aaron Grey
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners

Hi, thanks for the questions. First question from me is on the value segment, where you plan to roll out additional quantity formats for the Tweed brand as well as launch another discount brand. I'm just curious to your take on the longevity, or how long we're going to see this downtrending that we've been experiencing. Some of your competitors have continued to come out with new offerings of their own as they try to offload inventory, and it seems like it's only accelerated with COVID-19. Just curious to see where you see these price categories shaking out over the long term, and whether or not you believe this trend to value is not more of a current trend, and how long you believe it is until it kind of levels out and we see some stabilization there. Thank you.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I can take that one, and others can jump in with additional insights. I think you're right in terms of the value flower segment. It's a lot of companies looking for how they can get cash into their business because they have weak balance sheets. I think for Canopy, that's a strong advantage we have on our end. That said, as we look at our market share goals, it's important that we play in that place, and frankly, we make it more difficult for others to bring that cash back into their business. Through Twd. as well as another brand we'll be launching later this quarter in Q2, we will play actively in that space. That said, I think the larger picture is it goes back to the design to value work that Mike spoke to earlier.

The need for us to take a step back, leverage our consumer insights, leverage the agricultural science work that Julian spoke to earlier, and pull those together to have a winning proposition for the long term in the value segment, achieving the gross margin pool that we're looking for. I think it's pairing those two strategies together, so competing at the price points with the brands we have now, against our competitors in that space to maintain our market share, while taking a thoughtful look over the next one to two years on that design to value process, to ensure that we have the right brands with the right SKUs at the right price point in the market for the future.

Aaron Grey
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners

All right, great. Thank you. My second question would just be on the market of Germany. You certainly gave a lot of detail on Canada and the U.S., which are certainly greater opportunity on an absolute dollar basis. In Germany, on the side, you look for it to grow 10x from 2019 to 2023. Just curious to some of your underlying assumptions there in terms of the change in the supply-demand landscape, regulatory structure in that market, and other catalysts that you think will be key to achieving that goal of that level of growth. Thanks.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

[crosstalk] this one for Chris?

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. Great question. First, let me just tell you quickly how we come up with our total addressable market estimates. We use a combination of external research reports, analyst reports, and our own internal view on what's going to happen to those markets over time. As I said earlier, our industry is very dynamic, so we keep those estimates live and we'll change them as regulatory things change or other things change within the market. That said, for Germany, there's only a couple hundred million dollars in sales today. We believe that by FY 2023 it could be close to CAD 2 billion as just more patients come online within the German market. I'll also say that if we look at where we think that market's going to be when it's fully mature, it's well north of a couple billion dollars.

We're very bullish on the German market long term.

Aaron Grey
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners

All right, great. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Pablo Zuanic of Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Pablo Zuanic
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Thank you. David, just regarding Acreage Holdings, that company recently a capital raise, paying interest rates of about 60% per annum. The discount to a conversion, if you were to buy them right now, it is over 70%. I am just wondering, how do you protect your opportunity there? Do you start lending them money, or if they raise capital on their own, do you get diluted, or do you just look for other opportunities? The company seems to have serious cash flow issues, at least based on what they are publishing. Thanks.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. Thanks, Pablo. I just want to, again, reset the thinking about the overall strategy. What Acreage gives us is a pathway to enter the U.S. upon permissibility. What Acreage gets from us is the ability to bring our intellectual property into the U.S. as they see fit. We really don't have a way for us to influence their operations on a day in and day out basis. We have to operate at arm's length. We do know that they've implemented some changes which will actually get them to cash flowing, and we remain pretty confident that Acreage is going to be successful over the long run. No doubt they have a near-term issue that they're working through. Again, we feel pretty good about where they're going to get to over time.

Pablo Zuanic
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Okay. One last one. I understand it's early innings, we shouldn't make too much of market share changes quarter- to- quarter. In the March quarter, your sales seem quite down to 28%, the market was up high teens, several of the larger LPs north of 20% growth. Now based on the numbers you've given us for the June quarter to date, it seems that you're still losing share. Right? I'm just wondering, I'm sure there is room for repair, but are relationships with the retailers or the board strained? Have the brands in any way been damaged, or it's just too early to talk about that, it's just something temporary that can easily be fixed given your scale? Thanks.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

I can take this one, David. I would say there's two key macro factors that impact us in Q4. One was while we come out with Twd. as our value offering earlier than others. As you saw, a number of our competitors came out with much lower price discounted value offerings at Q4, and we didn't respond till this quarter. From that perspective, both a mix of the value segment in flower overall growing as well as losing share due to price discrepancies between us and our competitors, that cost a loss in share. The second one is around us having out of stocks across some of our quick-moving SKUs, as I talked to before about leaving CAD 20 million of ours on the table. Examples of that would be DNA Genetics Chocolate Fondue or LBS Sunset, where we have strong customer loyalty at this point.

We simply ran out of inventory of these products. I think, that is one where through the SKU rationalization, we have a very concrete means by which we're addressing, and both are now in stock. Then we went over during the presentation the value area. It's not something that we don't have the ability to address. I think we are quickly addressing it now and trying to pair that with the long-term work to make sure we're positioned for long-term success, not just looking at quarter-to-quarter changes.

Pablo Zuanic
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Okay. Can I squeeze just one last one? Regarding Germany, just give us a quick sense in terms of your advantage versus peers there. You answered the prior question about the TAM, the growth opportunity. Why should we think that you are better positioned than some of your peers there in terms of what you have? You can just remind us all that. Thank you.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yes. I can take this one, and then I would actually ask Rade to embellish a little bit since that part of the organization reported to him in his previous role. We're already functioning in Germany. On the ground, we're in that market. We're building the relationships with healthcare providers. We're starting to see the patient count growing pretty significantly there. We have a bit of a head start, I would say, in that marketplace. We also have some critical mass in terms of other capabilities in Germany through our synthetic cannabis operation there, as well as our Storz & Bickel vape devices, which are produced in Germany.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. What I can add to that is, we acquired C3 last year, and through that acquisition, what we've been able to do is merge our C3 medical science liaison team with our Spectrum Therapeutics team. What it gives us the strength of is one team conducting outreach to physicians that has both dronabinol in their bag as well as medical cannabis flower. I think that is a proposition that no one else in the industry has when they're talking to physicians in terms of a breadth of offering. We're working hard, as everyone knows, on getting soft gels and oils to market in Europe as well. What you see in Europe is we've been able to grow to about a 1/3 market share in the flower industry.

The strategy's been working well, and I think it's through leveraging it as we drive forward and really look at Germany as a core market that we can continue to drive those sales. Once oils and soft gels enter it allows us to start gaining share in those segments, which will be able to position us for growth as we go forward.

Pablo Zuanic
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Great. Thank you.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

We have a question from online. In the Canadian rec value market, is there a risk that consumers will expect value offerings in 2.0 products?

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

That was, I can take this. I think there's definitely going to be value segments. I think the important part of the work I've been doing, along with Chris and Julian, is to make sure we focus on the right products, with the right segments at the right play and value. For example, in vapes, we have our Twd. 510 cartridge offering in market already. The thinking behind it was what we can leverage is the scale of our manufacturing, along with the R&D and innovation work we've done to win in the value segments. When we looked at the profit pools, the 510 cartridges represent about 80% of vape sales in the U.S. From a place to play, that made a lot of sense where we have a right to win.

When we looked at edibles for chocolates, it's a much smaller portion of edibles and beverages than gummies. In terms of that category, we decided we'll focus on entering gummies with both premium and value offerings, but that the profit pool's large enough for that to make sense. Whereas with beverages, they have such a strong moat because of their IP, there isn't a need to enter the value segment in the short term.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

One thing that I might add to this, and Mike, you can chime in as well, the market's likely to bifurcate in a way that we've seen across CPG for the past 7- 10 years, with a high end and a value segment. When and if we choose to play the value segment across cannabis, we're going to do so applying a design to value approach so that we get the sorts of economic returns that are required to meet our business model objectives.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Okay, thanks. Another online question. How differentiated are your beverage products from the competition, both in terms of your formulation as well as processing?

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah, this is Julian. I'll take that. Really, I see four points I want to make here on how differentiated we are. The first is that we have a production scale that no one else has in the category right now. We have the ability to produce the volumes that Canadians want. The second most important thing, I think, is that it's in terms of our formulation, the science behind this, right? It's the emulsifications, it's the understanding of onset and delivery times and how that consumers want, how to deliver that, and really how to make a more bioavailable product. We have beverages that behave more like beverage alcohol in terms of quick onset and short duration. The third thing from the beverage experience standpoint is the taste or the hedonics around it.

We know how to make something that tastes great, that either has some cannabis taste or doesn't have any cannabis taste, that has the low calorie or some calories. We know how to create the beverages that consumers want to taste, not just in terms of its function, but in terms of the hedonics. I think the final thing is the potential here that working with consumer insights and with Rade's products teams, we can create beverages for any number of consumers. If people want a tea, if they want something which tastes more like a beer or a soda, we can do all of that. We can create the format and function that people want. I think you take those four things, and that's what gives us an advantage in this space.

The ability to make anything people want and make it behave the way people want it to behave, to taste the way they want it to behave, and to do this at scale.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Buckham with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Adam Buckham
Analyst, Scotiabank

Good morning, and thanks for taking my question. I've got a quick follow-up to Aaron's earlier questions around value products. The team provided some great color on the value segment and the company's plans in this segment. I was wondering if you could provide a little more color around Canopy's economics on the cost side when it comes to launching higher THC, lower priced flower, especially when it comes to the planned launch of ultra-value products later this year, which I assume will be priced at or below the current market price for flower.

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I'm happy to take this one.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

I'd ask Mike and Rade to team up on this one.

Mike Lee
CFO, Canopy Growth

Yeah, sure. I think the biggest point to make here is that this is really at the core of our end-to-end supply chain strategy, is making sure that we are building a supply chain that not only is competitive for today's market, but also for where the market is going. We know in any mature CPG category that there's going to be a spectrum of offerings from value all the way up to premium. We've got the facilities to be able to custom tailor each of our facilities against the consumer marketplace. That's a big part of what we're doing, is learning how to develop at scale at a CAD 5, CAD 6 per gram market, while also meeting our margin requirements.

It comes back to design to value, making sure that we're growing the right strategy, that we're getting the right yields, leveraging our R&D technology, when it comes to plant genomics, to make sure that we're growing high yield cannabis strains for that market. That work's underway as we speak. Rade, would you like to chime in?

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. A lot of the work we need to do on D2V over the next 12 months is really addressing what are the key attributes that consumers want. Chris' team will take a lead on this. In regards to what does a value consumer want? At the end of the day, we have a large Total Addressable Market, and the big part of that is bringing the illicit consumers over, right? Not all illicit consumers are created the same. Being able to identify, is it high THC? If it is it then density of the flower? Is it the color? Is the pink flower sell for more, or is a lime green seen as a value product and so forth? Being able to really create those features and benefits, to match with where the product is.

I think one of the misnomers is the assumption that high THC drives our cost of goods sold up, which it doesn't. I think that's where being able to work with Julian's team to make sure that once we have a very clear viewpoint on the features and benefits of our value products in the flower category, we're then able to refine our genetics to make sure that we're able to drive our cost of goods sold down and really compete in a strong way, not just against other licensed producers, but truly against the illicit market. Julian, do you have anything to add?

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah, Rade, just to build on that. It's exactly how our plant science group is going to be focused here. Once we've determined what consumers want, what those drivers of liking are, it's up to the plant science group to figure out how to replicate that and to create, from a genomic standpoint, from the growth standpoint, to create that consistent product that consumers want in the value segment. Our hypothesis is that there's really an element of consistency here, right? I want the same THC level, whether it's a high level or a low level. I want a consistent product, and how do we make sure we're delivering them that at scale and at a cost that's reasonable, right?

This is where we can really drive that instead of having an inconsistency or potentially putting more expensive product in for people who aren't going to want to pay that. Again, that's part of the design to value that Mike has talked about. This is where we can really up our games and deliver that for our consumers.

Adam Buckham
Analyst, Scotiabank

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Zamparo of CIBC. Your line is open.

John Zamparo
Analyst, CIBC

Thank you. Good morning. I appreciate all the color today. My question's on the insights and innovation strategy. It sounds like a significant part of the growth strategy is to either convert infrequent consumers or non-consumers, but those who are curious, and knowing that it's maybe not an overly new problem, but how do you appeal to those people given the restrictions on marketing and advertising, and particularly since a previous avenue where I think Canopy had an advantage was in age-gated environments like bars or even movie theaters that clearly aren't as attractive today. Lastly, if you do achieve that, how do you point them towards Canopy products rather than just the overall category? Thanks.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I'll start with this, but then maybe Chris can chime in on some thoughts. From the perspective of bringing in new consumers, I don't want to ignore the consumers we already have, right? I first want to say we have to do a better job from a product quality standpoint and a product attribute standpoint to bring in consumers who are current consumers and basically steal share from the competitive set. When we look at bringing in new consumers, I think the effort is really around making it easy for people to try the products in a way that's not scary for them or difficult for them to do. I'm still talking about in Canada. The U.S., it's going to be a different game because we believe that we will be able to speak to the consumers in the U.S.

Yeah, we have a big opportunity in front of us in Canada, but we also have that opportunity to create that exact story that resonates with consumers in the U.S. that we can then deploy upon permissibility. Chris, do you want to talk about, kind of add a little more color even around the consumer set?

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah, sure, David. You're right. Vape and flower is still going to be an important part of our portfolio. We've got a lot of research in place, either that we've done or that's going in field today, to better understand what consumers are looking for in those products, both from a short-term perspective, but we're also building capabilities over the long term to be able to map our products, competitive products, against what consumers are looking for to identify white space. I mentioned it during my introduction earlier today, there's still a huge portion of the population that relies on word of mouth in this category. There are opportunities to reach out to people through word of mouth, through influencers, things like that. I know Rade mentioned White Claw.

Some of the big products that have gained steam in alc bev and other industries, start off through word of mouth, and then build over time. We think there's still a huge opportunity to do that in Canada and in the U.S. in the short and medium term.

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

I think just to build on that, it's also using those insights to create those products that are more approachable and more accessible for that cannabis-curious consumer, right? You see that's what we're doing in beverages. We have some things which are higher THC content, but we also have some things coming out which are lower and more accessible, that will give people that first good experience and bring them in, and hopefully not only get high trial rates, but high repeat rates.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

I think we also, just to add one last thought here, we pulled back on our spend in those aged gated environments, I think in the late 2019 timeframe, calendar 2019. Rade's team is now readdressing our strategy so that we can take advantage of access in those environments. Even though they look different today, there are still ways to make sure that our brand proposition is getting out there so that we can be in that consumer consciousness in Canada.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

Okay, our next online question relates to the German market. How do you justify your expectation that the German TAM will grow by 10x by 2023?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

I'll leave that to Chris.

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

I thought I addressed that earlier. I'm happy to weigh in again on it. Essentially, we think the market's relatively small today, and by FY 2023, we expect the medical market to go from a couple hundred million in sales to a couple billion in sales. Then longer term, as the market gets even more mature, we expect it to be north of a couple billion.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Carter with Stifel. Your line is open.

Andrew Carter
Analyst, Stifel

Hey. Thank you. Good morning. You kind of addressed, and I appreciate one of the comments you made about not leaving it out there just for the competitors. Have you really taken a look about to your commitment to dried flower as a category? It's difficult to brand. It's kind of a race to the bottom, and you've got storage, you've got medical, you could easily prioritize that. Is that something that you have to be in, or is that something that you could take off the table and focus more on consumer products going forward?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

I'll take a shot at this, everybody else chime in as you see fit. I think that we're very early in even flower as a consumer product. I think there's a lot of work to be done around ag science and production capability and attribute definition that can allow us to create some differentiation in terms of how we go to market in flower. We think that there's pretty good upside opportunities to continue with that as a focus for the business. Clearly the learnings that even come off of that are then easy to apply to the 2.0 sorts of products. To me, I would say that it remains core to our strategy. Andrew, what isn't clear to me is how much, say, grow capacity we need to own over the long term. Right?

Everybody's decided that there's a competitive advantage, they need to own it in-house. You can look at a lot of other industries like the wine industry, where there's some amount of grow that you want to retain because that's where you're doing your experimentation, or that's contributing to significant brand value at the right price points. Then you can rely on other people to do that ongoing grow work for the majority of your portfolio. I think that's an open question for us at Canopy still.

Andrew Carter
Analyst, Stifel

Sounds good. Second question is I want to switch gears just a little bit. Number one, on the U.S., do you have other options besides like and when I say this, going into the U.S., you have the vape hardware that you've invested a lot of money in, and the vape hardware, whether it be your standalone device as well as potentially even the disposables, you don't have to touch the plant to sell that to the consumer. Is there any thought process of taking that hardware into the U.S. in a non-plant touching manner and kind of attacking the U.S. opportunity that way?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Absolutely. That's part of the work that we're going through now to really line up our business to be super focused. When we talked about, on our last earnings call, about the Chief Commercial Officer aligned with Rade in his Chief Product Officer role, where we're looking at each geography and each category that we can play in. We intend to make a lot of noise in the U.S. over the next couple of years with Storz & Bickel, with the rest of our vapes portfolio, along with This Works and BioSteel. We're building the sales organization in the U.S. to handle everything in the Canopy portfolio, and right now we're kind of doing the work to get that wiring right so that we can aggressively go to market.

Andrew Carter
Analyst, Stifel

Thanks. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Endri Leno of National Bank. Your line is open.

Endri Leno
Analyst, National Bank

Hi. Good morning. Quick questions from me, and thank you for taking them. The first one is that, in Ontario, legal tobacco consumption is about 62% of all consumption, despite being a very little established market. First, what gives you confidence that the legal cannabis market will have 85% market share by 2023? Within that legal market, and specifically in the 2.0 products, some retailers in Canada have signaled that demand has been more on the vape side rather than the beverages. How do you plan to respond to this development, and how quickly can you shift your focus and your products? Thanks.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I think there's two parts to the answer. I'll go in reverse order, Chris, maybe you can chime in as well on the conversion of the market. On the vapes and beverages, we had looked at the U.S. data. We always knew vapes was going to be the larger profit pool compared to beverages in the early days. I think, as was just discussed, we put significant investment into creating a portfolio of universal 510-thread cartridges, closed loop Tokyo Smoke Luma, and coming sort of by end of fiscal year, a disposable vape pen product to market. Within that, I would not say it's a surprise at all the size of the vape market.

I think similar to flower, the vape market has the opportunity to bring illicit users over to the legal markets as well as to convert existing legal users of flower over to vapes, for the myriad of features and benefits that they can bring. On the beverage side, when you look at the U.S., they have about 1% of the market is in beverages. We view that largely due to lack of execution on consumer experience around the beverages, which we believe we've addressed, and frankly believe the data coming out of Ontario is showing that we have addressed. From that perspective, I would say vape is the expected large profit pool. Beverages is the one where we have invested and created products where we believe we can truly disrupt, and grow that profit pool larger than it's been exhibited in the U.S. historically.

As I spoke to before, as trial becomes more and more of an option, really bring new intenders over into the market. In terms of comparisons to tobacco, I think part of it is around the safety standards associated with legal cannabis, right? If you look at vapes and so forth, there's a desire among consumers to be able to know that their vape is safe. Everything from what type of steel is used in the product, are there any epoxies, things of this nature, as well as the formulation. I think that heightened focus, as a trend across consumer product categories, lends itself to cannabis in a stronger way than it has in traditional nicotine products in terms of who the consumer is and what their sort of interests tend to be. I think the other part is through new products, right?

There aren't beverages like ours available in the illicit market currently. There are beverages, but not with the same sort of consumer benefits that ours come with. From that perspective, there's an ability to move consumers into the legal market. Once they're buying those products, the more likely they will buy the other products in our portfolio through legal means, rather than go to two points of distribution.

Endri Leno
Analyst, National Bank

Okay. That's it for me. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Lavery with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Michael Lavery
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Good morning. Thank you. You show how your beverage sales are accelerating pretty nicely. Obviously still very small, even just as a share of the total category. Can you give us a sense of what some of your assumptions are behind the 5% estimate that beverages could be relative to beverage sales or alcohol sales, and what kind of timeframe that might take to get to?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

I'd like Chris to chime in on this. I guess the first stab that I would take at it would be. I think when much of the research around cannabis usage has been done historically, they start by asking basically people who are cannabis users, if they would have interest, say, in a beverage. I think what we're really getting at here is that there's an entirely different set of users that I keep referring to as a group that loves cannabis but don't know it yet. That's the work that we're doing, or that what we're trying to do, as I said, through the innovation activity at our company, is to really get in front of those users who love cannabis but simply don't know it yet. Chris is welcome to comment on some of the assumptions in the data.

I would say we have more work to do to define the exact numbers, but I think what we're saying is there's a massive market out there that hasn't really been captured in some of the previous surveys and research reports.

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I touched upon this quickly earlier, but of people who are consuming in Canada over the last 12 months, only 1/4 of our potential population consumed cannabis, and of those only less than 40% bought from legal channels. There's a big opportunity to convert people from the illicit market and people who are getting things from their friends to purchase beverages, and beverages is a good entry point into the category. The other huge opportunity is the intenders and the rejecters. Those people who are saying either, I used to smoke cannabis back when I was in college, but now I'm a parent and I don't want to smoke anymore. Or even people who think that cannabis equates to flower and vape and think that that's not something I'm interested in.

The beverages, that's why we're so bullish on beverages, because we think there's just a big opportunity to shift those people into our category. Even Rade mentioned earlier, some of the stats we've seen from our first beverage that we launched. I guess one of the surprising things we found was that most of the people that were using the products today were still current users of cannabis. We think there's just huge untapped potential through that to bring people into the category. They have similar effects to White Claw, with no calories and no sugar and no hangovers. We think there's a big opportunity.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. Just two other quick points for anecdotal framing. In the presentation, I reviewed how we've shipped over 500,000 units of beverages since launch. That's over approximately the last three months. This week alone, we'll ship 150,000 units. The percent of share within the category is based on supply constraints, and with our beverage production now significantly ramping up, we're going to have a much better opportunity to start meeting demand. I think you'll see that shift in the share numbers for beverages within the edibles and beverage category. The other part when thinking of the framing of the profit pools is also keep in mind CBD beverages.

You take an example of our brand BioSteel, which, in its non-CBD version, if you go talk to a lot of the top athletes in Canada or United States, they'll say they use it as part of their professional workout routine. Taking a brand like that, being able to leverage our beverage intellectual property and add CBD into it, backed by our human effect clinical work, gives us a huge opportunity in the United States, which is beyond that of psychoactive THC as a replacement. I think that's important when looking at the numbers to keep in the back of your mind.

Michael Lavery
Analyst, Piper Sandler

When you talk about the intenders and this sort of beyond cannabis opportunity, when you survey consumers and the 20% who plan to repurchase say it would replace an alcoholic beverage, how does that compare to what you would have expected and been modeling?

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Chris, do you want to take that?

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Chris, do you want to take this?

Chris Edwards
Chief Insights Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah, sure. I think the 20% number is honestly quite good for the first beverage that we've launched in the market. I think the stats that we saw for that product are kind of in line with well-performing bev alc SKUs. Again, we still think there's a big opportunity from increased distribution, the ability to replace occasions over time that we still just haven't tapped yet. The 20% number right now is, we would think, pretty high for something where there's still a lot of work to be done.

Michael Lavery
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. That's helpful. Then just one last one on CBD. When you talk about wanting to be differentiated on some of the science and just product attributes, can you give a sense of how you communicate that to consumers and if you might pursue claims? Also maybe how that fits with a brand like Martha Stewart, for example.

Rade Kovacevic
Chief Product Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I'll give some high-level comments, and then Julian, you can take over. I think this is where our ecosystem comes in in a strong way. We're able to create brands and leverage, whether it's a BioSteel or a Martha Stewart. Then we're able to take the intellectual property, which, when you think of beverages we may have created for THC, but the same bioavailability principles impact for CBD, and then take our human effects team and do the right amount of research so that we're able to make those claims in a cost-efficient manner. I think particularly that's where a lot of the safety work we've been doing and sharing the information with the FDA positions us well to find the right balance across that. I know Julian, are there things you want to chime in on?

Julian Cohen
Chief Innovation Officer, Canopy Growth

Yeah. I think David talked about this earlier, it's moving away from pharma-grade claims to more structure and function claims, which is what our research will be designed to do. We want to be able to demonstrate or at least support some efficacy claims. Also, I think as we're looking at it's looking at the bioavailability of CBD in conjunction with adaptogens, to be able to create different formulations that do different things for consumers. This is all the things that we're looking at that we have in our testing and our product development pipeline right now.

Michael Lavery
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Thank you very much.

Tyler Burns
Director of Investor Relations, Canopy Growth

This concludes the question and answer portion of our meeting. I would now like to turn the meeting over to David for any closing remarks.

David Klein
CEO, Canopy Growth

Okay. Thanks, Tyler. I hope you find this meeting insightful. We clearly welcome any questions, any further questions that you may have as well as feedback that you may have as a result of what you heard today. I encourage you all to enjoy the upcoming Canada Day and July 4th holidays. I said this on the earnings call, and I'm going to keep saying it, I encourage all of you to try our amazing products. If you live in the U.S., try First & Free. I've heard many people say they've used CBD before and they didn't feel the effects, and then they tried CBD, or they tried First & Free CBD, and they now understand the difference or why people would use CBD. Go online and purchase one of our This Works products just so you can understand the level of quality that exists there.

Clearly try BioSteel either with or without CBD, and you'll discover what may be one of the best-kept secrets in sports nutrition in North America. Clearly, if you live in Canada and you're fortunate enough to be able to try our drinks on Canada Day, I really encourage you to do that, or test out our vape products or some of our flower products. I think it's really important that our investors interact with our brands and our products so that you understand what we're doing and why we think that's going to make us successful. Thanks for joining us this morning and enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

This concludes Canopy Growth's Virtual Investor Meeting. A replay of this conference call will be available until September 18th, 2020 and can be accessed following the instructions provided in the investor section of Canopy Growth's website at www.canopygrowth.com. Thank you for attending today's meeting and enjoy the rest of your day. Goodbye.