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Earnings Call: Q4 2024

Feb 13, 2025

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Yellow Pages Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Release Call. Today's conference call contains forward-looking information about Yellow Pages' outlook, objectives, and strategy. These statements are based on assumptions and are subject to important risk and uncertainties. Yellow Pages' actual results could differ materially from expectations discussed. The details of Yellow Pages' caution regarding forward-looking information, including key assumptions and risks, can be found in Yellow Pages' management discussion and analysis for the fourth quarter of 2024. This call is being recorded and webcast, and all of the disclosure documents are available on the company website and on SEDAR. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. David Eckert, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

David Eckert
President and CEO, Yellow Pages

Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our fourth quarter analyst call. We really appreciate your interest. As usual, today I'm joined by Franco Sciannamblo, our Chief Financial Officer, and by Sherilyn King, our Senior Vice President of Sales, Marketing, and Customer Service. I will begin with some overview comments, and Franco will provide a little more detail on that, and then we'll be happy to answer any questions you might have. We're quite pleased with our results reported for the fourth quarter, particularly for the fourth consecutive quarter. This quarter, we report a favorable, what we call, bending of the revenue curve this quarter, as our rate of change in revenue is better than the change reported for the previous quarter. This is really key.

We also report continued good progress on metrics that underlie that revenue generation, including the size of our sales force increasing, as well as a deceleration of the customer count decline rate fueled by an increase in new customer acquisitions, which were 6% higher than the same quarter last year and 28% higher for the year overall. We continue to believe that these fundamentals bode quite well for our medium and long-term future. We also today, for this quarter, report solid quarterly earnings. Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter and for the full year was 16.0% and 23.7% of revenue, respectively, even with our continued significant investments in revenue initiatives, including the steady continued expansion of our sales force.

In addition, I want to point out that the 23% increase in the market price of our shares during the fourth quarter resulted in a non-cash charge to our reported earnings due to the way that we account for stock-based compensation, which did put some additional pressure on adjusted EBITDA. This and some other one-time factors accounted for several percentage points of one-time lower EBITDA. We have a very healthy cash balance. Our steady cash generation, which continues, has grown our cash on hand to approximately CAD 49 million, and that's as of the end of January, the end of January. Also, during the fourth quarter, we realized a very important milestone as we completed our voluntary payments into our pension plan under our Deficit Reduction Plan. It was consistent with that Deficit Reduction Plan that we announced in May of 2021, so almost four years ago.

We made a final CAD 1.5 million worth of voluntary incremental payments in the fourth quarter of 2024. For the full year 2024, CAD 6 million of those voluntary payments toward the defined benefit pension plan's wind-up deficit. Those marked the last voluntary payments intended under that Deficit Reduction Plan. As a result of the Deficit Reduction Plan and the advancement of the voluntary incremental cash contributions to the pension plan pursuant to the Plans of Arrangement in 2022 and in 2023, the wind-up ratio of our defined benefit pension plan reached over 95% in the quarter. As a result, our board has approved a plan to de-risk the pension plan and protect those realized investment gains and the wind-up ratio.

This is so important for our retirees, for other members of the defined benefit pension plan, and for the company, frankly, as the company now does not have any further voluntary payments to make under that Deficit Reduction Plan. Finally, our board has declared a dividend of CAD 0.25 per common share to be paid on March 17th, 2025, to shareholders of record as of February 26th, 2025. We feel we have had very good continued progress, has capped another good year of progress, and we continue to be optimistic about our future as we make step-by-step-by-step progress. Thank you very much, and I would like to pass the microphone over to Franco Sciannamblo, our Chief Financial Officer, to provide you some additional details.

Franco Sciannamblo
CFO, Yellow Pages

Good morning, everybody, and thanks, David. Let me take you through our financial results for the fourth quarter ended December 31st, 2024. Starting with revenues, our revenues decreased by CAD 4.5 million, or 8.1% year -over -year, and amounted to CAD 51.4 million for the fourth quarter, an improvement from the decrease of 9.4% reported just last quarter. The year-over-year decrease in revenues is mainly due to the decline of our higher margin digital media and print products, and to a lesser extent to our lower margin digital service products, thereby creating pressure on our gross profit margins. For digital revenues, they decreased 7.2% year over year and amounted to CAD 42 million for the three-month period ended December 31st, 2024, an improvement from the decrease of 8.7% reported last quarter.

The year-over-year decline was mainly attributable to a decrease in digital customer count and, to a lesser extent, the decrease in average spend per customer. On print revenues, they decreased 11.5% year over year and amounted to CAD 9.4 million for the three-month period ended December 31st, 2024, an improvement from the decrease of 12.4% reported last quarter. The decline in revenue was mainly attributable to the decrease in the number of print customers, while the spend per customer has improved year over year, driven by price increases. The decline rate of revenues improved overall during the quarter ended December 31st, 2024, compared to the same period last year. The improvements were partly due to the deceleration of the customer count decline rate, fueled by an increase in new customer acquisitions, partially offset by an increase in churn.

In addition, 2023 decline rates were negatively impacted by customer claim rates remaining stable in 2023, while 2022 benefited from a substantial improvement in customer claims. For the full year 2024, the revenues totaled CAD 214.8 million, a decrease of 10.3% year over year. If I move over to adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter, it was impacted from pressures from our lower revenue, change in product mix, continued investments in our telesales force capacity, an increase in bad debt expense, and the impact of the share price on cash-settled stock-based compensation expense, as well as the nature of IT spend, whereby more of the expense was classified as operating rather than capital, partially offset by price increases, efficiencies from optimization and cost of sales, and reductions in other operating costs, including reductions in our workforce and associated employee expenses, which include also variable comp.

As a result, adjusted EBITDA decreased year over year by CAD 8 million, or 49.3% to CAD 8.2 million for the fourth quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin decreased to 16% compared to 29.1% for the same period last year. The reevaluation of cash-settled stock-based compensation liabilities resulted in a charge of CAD 1.5 million for the three-month period ended December 31st, 2024, compared to a recovery of CAD 1.6 million for the same period last year. This was driven by the 23% increase in YP's share price during the fourth quarter of 2024, compared to a decline of 8% during the same quarter in 2023. Revenue pressures and continued investments in our telesales force capacity, partially offset by continued optimizations, will continue to cause some pressure on margins in upcoming quarters. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year 2024 was CAD 50.8 million, or 23.7% of revenues.

For adjusted EBITDA less CapEx, the fourth quarter decreased by CAD 7.5 million year over year to CAD 7.8 million, mainly due to the decrease in adjusted EBITDA, partially offset by the decrease in CapEx spend year over year, due in part to the nature of the IT spend, as I mentioned before, whereby more of the expense was classified as operating rather than capital. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA less CapEx was CAD 48.4 million, or 22.5% of revenues. For net income, we will continue to be positive. It did decrease to CAD 2.7 million for the fourth quarter of 2024, compared to CAD 12.2 million for the same period last year, due to lower adjusted EBITDA and higher tax expense for the three-month period ended December 31st, 2024. For the full year 2024, net income totaled CAD 25 million.

On our workforce, it decreased to 565 employees, compared to 627 at the same date last year, a decrease of 10% despite our increases in telesales force capacity. Pension contributions, as David mentioned already, were consistent with our Deficit Reduction Plan that we announced in May 2021. The company made the last CAD 1.5 million in voluntary incremental cash contributions during the fourth quarter of 2024, and CAD 6 million for the full year to our defined benefit plan's wind-up deficit, these marking the last voluntary payments intended under the Deficit Reduction Plan.

As a result of the Deficit Reduction Plan and the advancement of the voluntary incremental cash contributions to the DB plan and pursuant to the plans of arrangement in 2022 and 2023, as David mentioned also, the wind-up ratio reached over 95%, and as a result, our board approved the plan to de-risk the pension plan and protect realized investment gains and the wind-up ratio.

Operator

All participants, please stay online. The conference will resume momentarily. Once again, please stay online. The conference will resume momentarily. All participants, please stand by. The conference will resume momentarily. All participants, your call will resume right now. Please go ahead.

Hi, sorry about that. I think we're having some technical difficulties here with the snowstorm that we're experiencing in Montreal. I think I hear it was just a minute ago, and it was probably during my comment on the dividends. I'll just repeat that comment and then pass it over to Mo for questions. The board has declared a cash dividend of CAD 0.25 per common share payable on March 17th, 2025, to shareholders of record as of February 26th, 2025. This concludes our formal remarks. Thank you for taking time to join us this morning. We will now take your questions, and I'll pass it back over to Mo. Hopefully, we stay connected.

Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone lines. If you have a question, please press star one. You may cancel your question at any time by pressing star two. Please press star one at this time if you have a question. There will be a brief pause while participants register for questions. We thank you for your patience. Once again, please press star one at this time for any questions or comments. We have no questions registered at this time. I would now like to turn the meeting back over to Mr. Eckert.

David Eckert
President and CEO, Yellow Pages

Yes, thank you. Thank you all very much for joining us this morning. We appreciate your interest and support, and we look forward to getting back together with you approximately 90 days from now. Have a good time. Those of you who are also in Montreal, good luck with the snowstorm. Take care. Bye now.

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.

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