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Earnings Call: Q3 2025

Jan 31, 2025

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

My name is Toru Kimura, the President and CEO of Sumitomo Pharma. Thank you all for joining us today. The presentation materials have been made public, and I will now provide an explanation of this quarter's financial results based on those materials. As outlined in the agenda, I will first go over the Q3 financial summary, followed by our FY 2024 earnings forecast, and then discuss research and development. After that, we will open the floor for the Q&A session. First, here is an overview of our Q3 financial results. In addition to revenue growth, our cost reduction initiatives have been effective, enabling us to return to profitability in terms of core operating profit. This is one of the key highlights of this quarter. Revenue increased by 24.7% year -on -year, while both SG&A expenses and R&D expenses were significantly reduced.

As a result, also supported by the impact of the weaker yen, we achieved profitability at the net income level as well. Although I will not go into the detail today, I understand that many of you are concerned about our borrowings. The repayment deadline for our bridge loan has already been extended to the end of March 2025. Additionally, we continue to discuss necessary refinancing measures with financial institutions as well as our parent company, Sumitomo Chemical. Next, here are the core-based financial figures for Q3. Revenue came in at JPY 293.2 billion , representing an increase of JPY 58.2 billion year -on -year. Looking at the rightmost column, you will see the May 14 forecast, which reflects our internal budget. At the end of Q3, our progress stood at 86.7% of this forecast. Gross profit reached JPY 179.7 billion , an increase of JPY 37.8 billion .

As I mentioned earlier, SG&A expenses and R&D expenses were reduced by JPY 52.2 billion and JPY 32.6 billion, respectively. As a result, we posted a core operating profit of JPY 21.5 billion. Next, regarding non-recurring items, these include expenses related to our business restructuring efforts in Japan, as well as restructuring costs from the previous fiscal year in North America. Consequently, operating profit stood at JPY 13.2 billion. As for financial income and expenses, due in part to further yen depreciation, the figure was JPY 10.8 billion. This resulted in a quarterly profit attributable to owners of the parent of JPY 21.2 billion, making a significant improvement of JPY 138.9 billion compared to the previous fiscal year. Based on these results, we intend to revise our full-year earnings forecast, which I will explain later. Now, moving to revenue by major products, this slide represents our North American revenue.

For our three key North American products, Orgovyx, Myfembree, and Gemtesa, Orgovyx generated JPY 57.8 billion , Myfembree JPY 10.1 billion , and Gemtesa JPY 43.2 billion , all of which represent significant year-on-year increases. Comparing these figures to our initial budget, as seen in the rightmost column, expressed in U.S. dollar terms, Orgovyx achieved 129% of the target, Gemtesa 119%, while Myfembree came in at 74%. Overall, the combined performance of these three products exceeded our budget by 17%. Additionally, revenue from other products, including Aptiom and Rethymic, totaled JPY 179.4 billion , marking an increase of JPY 64 billion year -on -year. Compared to our budget, the progress rate currently stands at 90.3%, reflecting strong performance. One additional note regarding Myfembree: this product was previously co-marketed with Pfizer, but following discussions, we transitioned to a fully in-house sales model as of the end of December last year.

As a result, we recorded the lump sum recognition of JPY 9.1 billion in deferred revenue, which is included in the JPY 26.2 billion listed under exports and upfront payment at the bottom of the slide. Here we present the revenue by product for Japan and Asia. In Japan, Equa and EquMet, particularly Equa, saw a slight decline in sales due to its loss of exclusivity in December. As for Twymeeg, it is slightly behind our initial budget expectations, but Latuda, Metgluco, and other products are progressing steadily. On the other hand, Trerief's exclusivity period ended in June, leading to a significant decline in sales. Reflecting this, total revenue in Japan declined by JPY 10.7 billion year -on -year to JPY 78.5 billion. However, compared to our initial budget, sales have remained relatively strong.

Next, turning to Asia and China, Meropen continues to perform well, with total revenue reaching JPY 35.3 billion, an increase of JPY 4.8 billion year -on -year. Performance has also been strong compared to our budget. Here we present the operating results by segment. Across Japan, North America, and Asia, core segment profit has returned to positive territory, with a total profit of JPY 55.2 billion. Even after deducting R&D expenses, core operating profit remains positive at JPY 21.5 billion. At the bottom of the slide, you can see the year-on-year changes. In Japan, Tre rief's loss of exclusivity had an impact, leading to a JPY 2 billion decline in core segment profit. Meanwhile, North America performed strongly, with core segment profit increased by JPY 88.4 billion compared to the previous year. With these results, we have decided to revise our earnings forecast.

The expansion of sales for three key products, along with the effects of cost management, has led us to raise our core operating profit forecast to JPY 30 billion. As I have explained, sales in the U.S., particularly for Orgovyx, have been strong. Additionally, the lump sum recognition of deferred revenue for Myfembree has also contributed significantly to the upward revision for North America. On the cost side, expenses have decreased due to business restructuring in Japan. At the same time, we have been prioritizing and focusing our R&D investments, continuing to control our budget. Furthermore, as part of the integration of the regenerative and cell medicine business with Sumitomo Chemical from February onwards, this segment will no longer be consolidated, which will contribute to further reductions in expenses.

Regarding other costs, we plan to transfer the regenerative and cell medicine business to Sumitomo Chemical by establishing Rakucella, which we expect to generate a gain of JPY 12 billion. Meanwhile, we have already recorded JPY 1.6 billion in Q3 from the transfer of our stake in S-RACMO to Sumitomo Chemical. As a result, here we present our revised earnings forecast for FY 2024. The leftmost column represents our original budget based on our May 14 projections, while the middle column shows our revised forecast. We now expect revenue of JPY 381 billion, gross profit of JPY 233.5 billion, SG&A expenses of JPY 167 billion, and R&D expenses of JPY 48.5 billion. Core operating profit is projected at JPY 30 billion. As for non-recurring items, as I explained earlier, business restructuring costs are included in our forecast, and we now expect operating profit of JPY 21 billion.

This means that for the first time in a while, we anticipate achieving positive operating profit this fiscal year. In addition, financial income and expenses have seen some minor adjustments due to foreign exchange fluctuations. Ultimately, we are forecasting net income attributable to owners of the parent at JPY 16 billion . Given these circumstances, we have revised our sales forecast for key products as shown here. Orgovyx continued to perform well, and we expect this trend to continue, leading to an upward revision of JPY 20.6 billion , bringing the forecast to JPY 78.5 billion . Myfembree has faced some challenges, but we are forecasting JPY 12.2 billion . Gemtesa has also been revised upward from our initial forecast to JPY 62.8 billion . Aptiom has also been performing strongly this fiscal year, with a forecast of JPY 36.6 billion .

Initially, we had projected total sales of JPY 198.7 billion for these products, but after revising our estimate upward by JPY 36.7 billion, we now forecast JPY 235.4 billion. Now, let me go into detail about each product. First, Orgovyx. Our initial plan projected cumulative sales of $293 million through Q3. However, actual sales have reached $379 million, a 129% increase over our forecast and a 76% increase year -over -year. The primary driver of this growth has been volume. In addition to reducing the financial burden on patients, our promotional strategies have been effective, leading to higher-than-expected demand across all segments. Looking at the revised forecast in the lower right-hand side, the key factor behind this adjustment is the significant impact of increased volume. Next, Myfembree. Myfembree's achievement rate stands at 74%, with current sales at $66 million. However, this still represents a 33% increase year -over -year.

The reason behind this performance is that sales volume did not grow as much as we had expected. The expansion of the oral GnRH market and Myfembree's market share growth in endometriosis have fallen below our initial expectations, leading to these results. As shown below, the key difference between our original FY 2024 forecast and the revised forecast is the impact of volume. Accordingly, we have lowered our sales forecast from $124 million to $80 million. Next, I would like to explain our transition to fully in-house commercialization of Myfembree, which I briefly mentioned earlier, including our intent and the expected impact. As of the end of December, we ended our commercialization agreement with Pfizer. From January onward, Sumitomo Pharma America has been handling the sales and marketing of Myfembree independently.

Looking at the impact of earnings, we view this transition positively, as fully in-house sales allow us to improve the product's profitability. Furthermore, having sole control over sales strategy enables us to respond more flexibly and dynamically, which we see as a major advantage. To illustrate this, I will briefly explain the diagram in the lower right. Until December, we shared gross profit with Pfizer after deducting the cost of goods sold from revenue. With this transition, the entire portion of the profit will now be retained by us. On the other hand, in terms of SG&A expenses, we previously shared some costs with Pfizer, rather than bearing the full burden ourselves. With this change, our share of costs will increase, but we aim to streamline our in-house sales operations to offset this increase. As you can see from the chart, we view this transition as a net positive.

Meanwhile, Orgovyx continued to perform very well, and we will renew our partnership with Pfizer to further expand its market presence. Now, moving on to Gemtesa. The achievement rate for Gemtesa is at 119%, with sales increasing by nearly 20%. Compared to the same period last year, revenue is up 63%. Breaking this down, the primary driver has been pricing. Prices have remained higher than we anticipated, which has contributed positively to performance. Compared to the initial forecast, factors such as lower-than-anticipated product returns and reduced financial burdens related to the coverage gap have led to an increase in average selling price. We had originally forecast sales of $380 million for Gemtesa, but given these pricing benefits, we have now revised our projection upward to $413 million.

Here we present data on Gemtesa, specifically regarding the impact of generic versions of mirabegron, a competing product, which became available starting in April. I believe you are all aware of this development. This chart shows how total prescription volume and new prescription volume have been affected since the launch of these generics. The red section represents Gemtesa, and as you can see, there has been no significant change in prescription trends following the introduction of mirabegron generics. Here we present the core-based earnings forecast for FY 2024. If you look at the comparison between the previous and revised forecasts shown at the bottom of the slide, you can see that the core segment profit has improved by JPY 8.6 billion in Japan, JPY 21.3 billion in North America, and JPY 5.6 billion in Asia, for a total improvement of JPY 35.5 billion.

Please refer to the top of the slide for a regional breakdown. Another recent announcement we made is that we have entered into a co-promotion agreement with Janssen Pharma in Japan for the long-acting injectable antipsychotic medication Xeplion and Xeplion TRI. By securing an injectable treatment option for schizophrenia, we aim to expand the breadth of our information provision and enhance the presence in the psychiatric field. Adding an LAI formulation to our pipeline, which already includes Latuda in tablet form and Lonasen Tape, is expected to generate significant synergies. Next, I will provide an update on research and development. In terms of new progress, as indicated in red on the slide, we have initiated a phase one and phase two trial in the U.S. for DSP-3077, allogeneic iPS cell-derived retinal sheet for the treatment of retinitis pigmentosa. Here are some key topics.

In the field of regenerative and cell medicine, including psychiatric disorders, we previously announced during our Q2 earnings presentation that we were revising our domestic regulatory strategy for Parkinson's disease regenerative therapy. We have now established a new timeline and have resumed activities with the goal of submitting for approval in FY 2025. In addition, we understand that the results of the physician-led clinical trial will soon be announced by Kyoto University. Meanwhile, as mentioned earlier, we initiated a new clinical trial in the U.S. in November. For oncology, both enzomenib and emavusertib continue to show promising data. At the American Society of Hematology conference in December, enzomenib received very high praise, and interest in emavusertib is also growing. Another key update is that in December, Gemtesa received additional approval in the U.S. for the treatment of overactive bladder in patients with benign prostatic hyperplasia undergoing drug therapy.

Here we present an illustration of the new clinical trial we have initiated for DSP-3077. Retinitis pigmentosa is a progressive eye disease in which the photoreceptor cells responsible for detecting light, as shown in red on the diagram, gradually degenerate and disappear, leading to vision loss. The diagram illustrates how light enters from below and is detected in the red-marked area at the top, representing the retinal structure. For patients with this condition, we are conducting a phase 1/2 clinical trial at Massachusetts Eye and Ear, an ophthalmology affiliate of Harvard University, to evaluate the transplantation of an iPS cell-derived retinal sheet, which we believe could help restore light perception. Next, we summarize the key findings from the phase 1/2 trial of enzomenib, DSP-5336. Both efficacy and safety data continue to be positive.

Regarding efficacy, the drug has demonstrated a high response rate, with complete remission or partial hematologic recovery observed in 30% of patients with MLL rearrangement and 47% of patients with an NPM1 mutation, indicating strong clinical potential. One of the DSP-5336's key advantages is its safety profile. While some patients have exhibited QT prolongation, the incidence rate remains very low. Another potential challenge for this class of drugs is differentiation syndrome, which has been observed in approximately 10% of patients. However, no cases have led to severe outcomes such as death or treatment discontinuation. Given its strong efficacy and favorable safety profile, DSP-5336 is being evaluated as a potential best-in-class treatment. Next, moving on to TP-3654.

So far, 22% of patients have experienced a reduction in spleen size of 25% or more, while 44% have shown an improvement of at least 50% in their total symptom score, indicating very promising results. As shown on the right, patients who experienced symptom improvement began to show positive changes around the fourth week, and these improvements have been sustained over time. That concludes my explanation. I would now like to move on to the Q&A session. Thank you.

Wakao from J.P. Morgan. I would like to ask about the outlook for your three key products. I believe they have been performing very well, and I'm keen to understand how things will develop from here. So I would like to get some insights. In particular, I would like to hear about Orgovyx and Gemtesa, what assumptions you're working with, and what the current situation looks like.

With the start of Medicare Part D changes in Q4, I assume you have factored in improvements to gross -to -net and the effect positive effects. How is that playing out? Also, just looking at recent prescription trends, perhaps due to the year-end and the new year holiday impact, it seems that both drugs have weakened somewhat since January. How do you evaluate this?

Tsutomu Nakagawa
Board of Directors Member and Executive Officer, Sumitomo Pharma

This is Tsutomu Nakagawa. I'll take this question. First, regarding Orgovyx, we expect the very strong demand growth to continue. As you pointed out, insurance system changes took effect in January, and we view this as another positive factor for us. So we expect strong results in Q4 as well. On the other hand, with Gemtesa, we anticipate that the demand growth pattern seen through December will shift slightly starting in January. This is the result of our negotiations with various payers under Medicare Part D. That said, while we do expect demand growth to slow somewhat, we see the pricing impact working positively in our favor. As a result, we believe we can still achieve our sales targets and maintain the overall trend we have seen so far through Q4. I hope this answers your question.

Just as a follow-up question, so if I understand it correctly, Orgovyx will continue its growth trajectory without much change. Looking at your forecast, Q4 sales are projected at $132 million, whereas Q3 was $147 million, meaning quarter -on -quarter, it appears to decline. Based on your explanation, it seems like the figure should actually be growing a bit more. Could you clarify that point? And also, regarding the Medicare Part D coverage changes for Gemtesa, should I understand this as simply meaning that while coverage is reduced, gross -to -net improves, so the net impact is positive? Is my understanding correct?

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

If you do the math, as you pointed out, it might look like Orgovyx's Q4 sales are slightly lower than in Q3, but the thing is, month to month and quarter -to -quarter, there's always a certain degree of fluctuation. In particular, December tends to see a surge in demand ahead of the holiday season, which was a factor in Q3 performing exceptionally well. Then looking at January, February, and March, there is the effect of what you might call a reset in insurance coverage. So these factors come into play as well. Rather than seeing a perfectly smooth upward trajectory every single month, there are some fluctuations along the way. But in terms of the broader trend, we believe it is indeed on the upward trajectory, and we think that's the right way to interpret the situation.

Regarding the question on Gemtesa, could you please repeat the question again?

Yes. I would like to clarify the meaning here because I didn't fully understand. So could you please explain? When you say that changes in coverage will lead to a decrease in volume, does that mean that the number of payers covering Gemtesa is decreasing, and that's why volume will decline? On the other hand, since gross -to -net is improving, does that mean that in net terms, revenue will actually increase? Is that the correct understanding? What exactly do you mean when you say that a change in coverage will lead to a decline in volume?

Yes, that understanding is generally correct.

Okay, so when we look at recent prescription trends and see that Gemtesa appears to be somewhat weaker, is that being affected by this?

Yes, that understanding is correct.

So it's not that it's losing out to generic versions of mirabegron or anything like that, right?

That's correct. We don't believe that's the case. We see this as moving in line with our expectations.

Okay, and by the way, how much has gross -to -net improved since January?

That information is not disclosed.

My second question is about enzomenib. As Dr. Kimura mentioned, I also believe this has the potential to be best in class. Since DLT hasn't been observed yet, I was wondering if there was a possibility of increasing the dose. But in the end, I understand that you're proceeding to the phase two part with a 300 milligram dose. Why did you not increase the dose? I'm not sure whether this decision was made at phase one or later, but I would like to know when we can expect the next update. Also, how far do you think you can go with this development on your own? Do you see the potential to take it all the way to the first-line setting?

Yumi Sato
Managing Executive Officer Research and Development Division, Sumitomo Pharma

This is Yumi Sato. Regarding the recommended dosage, we have decided on 300 milligram as reported in our latest update. The 300 milligram data is included in today's presentation materials and has also been presented at scientific conferences. We did consider testing a higher dose, but after evaluating the data, we determined that 300 milligram was sufficient in terms of efficacy, and that is why we settled on this dose. We plan to begin dosing in the phase two portion within this fiscal year. As for whether we can advance this to the first-line setting, no decision has been made at this time.

So question, given your current capabilities, do you think you can handle this yourself? From an R&D budget perspective and the current state of your development team, I imagine that moving into the first-line setting would be much more challenging than later-line indications. Do you have the capability to do this?

I do believe we have the capability to take this forward, but including TP-3654, we want to continue assessing the data carefully and consider how best to approach our development strategy.

So I'm assuming licensing out is also something you're considering? The data looks quite strong, but if you were to license out, what kind of timing would you be looking at?

Well, rather than saying we are actively looking to license out, I would say that if both drugs continue to develop well, we will also need to consider how to accelerate and expand their development further. In that case, bringing in a partner could be one possible approach. However, I believe we still need more data before making that decision. For now, we intend to continue developing in-house.

Okay. Lastly, I had asked earlier about when we can expect an update. When will the next update be? Can we expect anything this year? This is regarding enzomenib.

I believe we will have an update once we enter phase two. I don't think it will be too far off. As for data updates, we will consider the best timing based on upcoming conferences and other opportunities.

So just to confirm, the data that will be presented at conferences will be an update on the phase one portion. Am I correct?

Yes, I believe the phase one summary data will be one of the key milestones.

Thank you.

Muraoka from Morgan Stanley. I would like to get a clear picture of the outlook beyond the next fiscal year. Given that your full-year guidance this time is showing profitability even without asset sales, should we assume that next fiscal year will see further profit growth without relying on asset sales? And looking even further ahead, will you be able to expand in FY 2026? I imagine that from that point onward, the deferred revenue from Pfizer that was discussed earlier will start to decline. So how should we interpret the outlook based on your company's current snapshot? And while it may be too soon to ask this, are you considering resuming dividend payments?

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

First, regarding the last point on dividend resumption, while our business performance has been strong, as you know, our financial situation remains quite challenging. So we need to carefully consider the timing.

Another point I would like to mention is that the FY 2024 earnings revision includes a lump sum recognition of JPY 7.8 billion in deferred revenue from Myfembree. If you don't account for that, it would be an overestimation of the actual performance. All three of our key products are growing steadily. However, we should also consider that Aptiom has undergone sales force restructuring and is now essentially selling without promotional efforts. Furthermore, it will lose exclusivity in June this year. In Japan, following Equa, EquMet will also lose exclusivity, which is another negative factor. While the fundamental earnings capability of the business is increasing, there is a possibility that future earnings may not fully reflect the strong momentum that the current numbers suggest. That said, we believe we have taken solid steps towards recovery.

I completely understand that it may be difficult to give a precise answer, but just to confirm, looking at next fiscal year and then another year ahead into FY 2026, do you expect core operating profit to continue rising from this year's JPY 30 billion, even if we subtract the JPY 7.8 billion from Myfembree's deferred revenue? Or should we expect some volatility along the way?

First, a correction. Aptiom's LOE is actually in May, not June. As for core operating profit, we still expect to achieve our previously stated goal of maintaining net profitability next fiscal year. However, since Myfembree's deferred revenue will no longer be gradually recognized, there will be an impact from that. So rather than expecting a perfectly smooth upward trend, I think it's more realistic to assume some fluctuations along the way while generally moving in a positive direction. In terms of quantitative details, we will provide more specifics once we have a clear picture after this fiscal year's financial results become available.

Also, there was quite a bit of discussion earlier about Gemtesa. Looking at page 17 of your presentation, while TRX is increasing, new prescription volume seems to have slowed down recently. Based on the earlier discussion, I assume this is because of coverage changes, but since gross -to -net is improving, the expectation is that even if this trend continues, the price recovery will offset it, and the net impact will be positive. Is that the correct understanding? Sorry, this is a bit of an oversimplified way of putting it.

I believe you are referring to the trends in November and December. If you look at the past two fiscal years, you'll see that October, November, and December tend to be seasonally weak periods. From that perspective, we are not particularly concerned about this trend. That said, as I mentioned earlier, we do expect volume to decrease starting in January. However, at the same time, the improvements in gross -to -net will help support revenue. Overall, we remain confident in the upward trend for sales moving forward.

Stephen Barker
Equity Analyst, Jefferies

This is Stephen Barker from Jefferies. Looking at page six regarding revenue related to Pfizer at the end of December last year, it was $88 million, and this term it's $147 million. Is the difference entirely due to deferred revenue from Myfembree?

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

Yes, that's correct. The $59 million difference comes from the lump sum recognition of the deferred revenue from Myfembree.

Stephen Barker
Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Regarding Myfembree, how much deferred revenue was recognized each year, and how much will that decline moving forward?

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

The deferred revenue was approximately $30 million per year, but starting next fiscal year, that will no longer be recognized.

Stephen Barker
Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you.

Hashiguchi from Daiwa Securities. As you continue your discussions on your mid to long-term business plan, what are the key discussion points, and how do you plan to present the information to us going forward? Also, regarding the refinancing of the bridge loan, I understand that the discussions are ongoing, but what are the main issues being negotiated, and what kind of adjustments need to be made? Additionally, I recall that around last spring, you mentioned a mid to long-term management strategy being built, something akin to a medium-term business plan. I don't quite remember the exact wording you used at the time. I believe you had mentioned intention to announce something within this fiscal year.

How is that progressing, and when can we expect to see something presented to us?

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

I will first address the midterm plan, and then Mr. Sakai will provide an update on the refinancing situation. First, we already have a plan in place, which we have been discussing with our banks. However, the next step is to clarify the direction the company will take moving forward. Also, as you are aware, since December, we have undergone a significant workforce reduction, particularly in Japan. In light of this, we are currently working on structuring our talent and personnel policies within the company. So rather than preparing a large-scale medium-term management plan, we are instead focusing on formulating and sharing our internal vision first. How will we communicate this externally is something we are actively discussing right now. As for the timing, we are aiming for this spring. And Mr. Sakai, please provide an update on the refinancing situation.

Motoyuki Sakai
Representative Director and EVP, Sumitomo Pharma

Yes, this is Motoyuki Sakai. At present, we are in discussion with our primary banks as well as Sumitomo Chemical regarding refinancing. However, as these negotiations are still ongoing, it is difficult to provide specifics at this stage. As I have mentioned before, each financial institution has its own unique circumstances. Naturally, with a number of participating banks involved, we are currently working on adjusting the terms and conditions of the refinancing agreement. I would appreciate your understanding on this point.

Okay. Earlier, Dr. Kimura mentioned the timing of the plan as being around spring. Does that mean it will be shared internally around spring, or will it also be shared externally during that timeframe?

That is exactly what we are currently discussing. For now, we are working toward an initial target of the end of March this fiscal year. From there, we are discussing how best to present it externally. I apologize for not having a more concrete answer at this point.

Yamaguchi from Citigroup. Regarding Orgovyx, Gemtesa, and Myfembree, your three key products currently sold in the U.S., are they manufactured in the U.S.? My understanding is that they are produced overseas and then imported into the U.S., but could you confirm whether they are made in the U.S. or not, and including whether they are subject to import duties?

Toru Kimura
President and CEO, Sumitomo Pharma

Within our supply chain, some production does take place in the U.S., but a significant portion is manufactured overseas outside the U.S. We are aware of the recent discussions regarding tariffs on pharmaceuticals, and we are currently assessing the potential quantitative impact. At this stage, that is about all the information we can provide.

Seki from UBS. Dr. Kimura, since you come from an R&D background, I'm sure you're well aware of this issue, but I wanted to ask about your development pipeline. Looking at your portfolio of development programs, considering the number of projects, the therapeutic areas, and your annual R&D budget, which currently stands at JPY 48.5 billion, do you believe that this budget is sufficient to sustain the pipeline? From an outsider's perspective, it seems quite challenging. Realistically, you would have to start making tough choices, potentially even dropping promising candidates. If so, at what point do you see those decisions being made? Or do you believe that with this JPY 50 billion level of R&D spending, you can manage the pipeline as it stands? I would appreciate your insights on this.

This is indeed a difficult issue. The reason we currently have so many projects in the pipeline is that most of them are still in the early stages. That's why we are able to handle this number of programs at the moment. However, as these projects progress to phase 2B or phase 3, even if we obtain strong data across the board, we will inevitably have to make strategic choices and concentrate our resources. At that point, partnering with other companies or outlicensing some assets will become viable options. Ultimately, once we start seeing even partial clinical proof of concept, potential partners will also begin to recognize the value of the programs. I believe that will be the key decision-making point. Since most of our pipeline is at a similar stage, I don't expect significant discrepancies in timing when we assess those programs.

As you pointed out, the reality is that with JPY 50 billion in annual R&D spending, we simply do not have the capacity to develop all these programs in-house.

I see. So in other words, you expect R&D spending to remain at current levels for now, and you will manage development accordingly.

Yes, that's right. For the next two to three years, we plan to maintain R&D spending at this level. Beyond that, as our U.S. business grows and our company becomes more streamlined and financially stronger, there may come a time when we can allocate more resources to R&D. But for the next two to three years, we expect this situation to continue, and we are prepared to operate within our current R&D budget.

Thank you.

If there are no further questions, we will now conclude the Q&A session. That brings us to the end of the Sumitomo Pharma's Q3 FY 2024 financial results briefing. Thank you very much for your participation today.

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