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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

May 13, 2025

Operator

Let me introduce the presenters of today's meeting: Representative Director and the CEO, Kyoko Deguchi; Executive Corporate Officer, CFO, Kaiji Yamaguchi. The two of them will provide a presentation, and then we will have time allocated for Q&A session. Deguchi-san, please begin.

Kyoko Deguchi
President and CEO, PHC Holdings Corporation

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Deguchi, President and CEO. Today we will provide an overview of financial results of FY 2024 and forecast for the full year FY 2025. I will provide the executive summary, and the financial summary for FY 2024 and full year forecast for FY 2025 will be presented by our CFO, Yamaguchi. This is the result of FY 2024: revenue was JPY 361.6 billion. Diagnostics and the life science saw instrument sales down year on year due to the continued impact of stagnant capital investment demand made in Europe and the U.S., and the uncertainty of near-future market conditions. On the other hand, the contraction in the BGM business was smaller than the prior year.

In addition, the capture of demand for electronic prescriptions in line with the domestic medical DX policy and the impact of acquisitions as well as the positive impact of foreign exchange, we saw a year-on-year increase of JPY 7.7 billion in revenues. Operating profit increased by JPY 21 billion year-on-year and amounted to JPY 22.6 billion. Impairment losses recorded in the previous year at AS Medicine Others were not recorded this year, and one-off costs such as business restructuring were reduced. Furthermore, the impact of increased revenues and cost reductions contributed to a significant increase in profit. We landed JPY 1.5 billion higher than the upwardly revised forecast provided in February. Compared to the previous year, profit attributable to owners of the parent company amounted to JPY 10.5 billion, partly due to better foreign exchange gains and losses and lower interest expenses.

The year-end dividend will remain at the previously forecast dividend of JPY 21 per share for the annual dividend of JPY 42 per share. This is the review of FY2024. Under the new management structure, we placed more emphasis than ever on achieving our plans steadily each quarter, and from the beginning of the year, we worked through cost reductions and other measures. As a result, we were able to exceed our plans from the first quarter. Although there were delays in recovery of market conditions and the startup of new products in the fourth quarter, we were able to finish the year exceeding our upwardly revised forecast for the full year. In November, we also announced a medium-term management plan up to 2027, which sets out the vision we aim to achieve by 2030 and promotes the strengthening of our foundations for future growth.

In line with the policy of strengthening the revenue base and portfolio management, which has been positioned as priority measures, the positioning of each business has been clarified, and measures in line with the strategy have been implemented in each business. First, in the BGM business, where the market continues to shrink, the extent of the decline in both North America and Europe is slowing down. The impact of the termination of the sales corporation in the U.S. is also coming to an end, and measures in North America, such as measures to strengthen the U.S. cash segment and to increase market share in Canada, are also making progress. In addition, the group is continuing to focus on global profitability, making appropriate investment assessments and cost management, and is making progress towards stabilizing earnings as a financial business.

CGM saw the launch of a 365-day product in the second half of the year as planned. Sales did not reach the planned level, but indicators such as number of leads and user acquisitions grew more than 50% compared to the previous product. We are continuing to implement measures to expand sales while determining the appropriate investment efficiency. LSI Medience, a healthcare solutions company, has been working on corrective and recurrence prevention activities in response to the inappropriate incident regarding the precision control, and the administrative reporting and other actions have been completed. The company will continue its efforts to restore confidence by continuing its quality improvement initiatives. Fortunately, the impact on performance was smaller than expected, and profitability improved significantly, partly as a result of thorough cost-cutting measures.

WeMex achieved high growth rates and improved profitability as a base business, thanks to a customer base with a high market share in pharmacies and clinics. Government demand for medical DX, particularly for electronic prescriptions, and the contribution of M&As carried out in the prior year. In addition, the development of a cloud EMR, which will be the core product for the development of cloud-based solutions, a strategy set out in the medium-term management plan, has been completed. The product has received high praise in terms of advanced orders and monitoring use since autumn last year and was officially launched at the beginning of this current fiscal year. Diagnostics and life science domain, which is positioned as a growth driver for the company, struggled due to stagnant market conditions, particularly in Europe and the U.S.

The pathology business, in particular, continued to improve profitability due to strong sales of consumables, improved productivity, and cost reduction measures that have been implemented in the past. In addition, the pathology and biomedical business launched new products in the growth markets of digital pathology and CGT, respectively. At the corporate level, we also executed sales of non-business assets to improve cash flow. Despite some gaps with our assumptions, we have taken steady steps towards achieving a mid-term management plan by implementing various measures and improving our performance in FY2024. Now, I'd like to talk about our fiscal 2025 full-year forecasts. Revenue is expected to be JPY 363.1 billion. In the BGM business, we assume a more modest decline in the impact of market contraction, particularly in developed countries.

In the CGM business, we are aiming for continued high growth of 365-day product, which was launched in the previous year. Diabetes management sales are expected to increase 3.4%, excluding the FX impact. In the diagnostics and life science business, which was affected by stagnant demand for devices in the previous year, we expect a recovery in this fiscal year. Revenue is expected to increase by 4.1%, excluding the foreign exchange impact. Operating profit is forecasted to be JPY 17.4 billion. In the diabetes management, we plan to increase its profit in this fiscal year by reducing the decrease in profit of BGM and by improving profit of CGM. In healthcare solutions and diagnostics and life sciences, we expect a decline in profit, taking into consideration a drop in demand for high-margin healthcare DX-related business and increasing SG&A expenses for sales expansion and the impact of inflation.

We have factored in the planned restructuring costs in line with our mid-term plan and the potential tariff impacts in the U.S. into the other segment. Group-wide, we expect a JPY 5.1 billion decrease in profits year-on-year. Dividends are currently projected to be JPY 42 per share for the year, unchanged from the previous year. We will make a final decision on the dividend after reviewing the progress of our business performance and the financial situation, considering the large uncertainties in this fiscal year, such as the impact of the tariff. Finally, the positioning of each business for the fiscal year ending March 2026. For the current fiscal year, we have factored in risks such as one-time restructuring costs and tariff impact. We are forecasting a decrease in profit.

We position the fiscal year 2025 as a year in which we will work on measures necessary for the future growth, and we will continue to promote these measures flexibly in light of a fluid macroenvironment. BGM is narrowing down the markets and the target segments to focus on, while closely evaluating profitability and growth potential based on the strategy to continue to increase market share amid continuing market contraction. In addition to strengthening the cash segment in the U.S., we will start local production in Algeria, a growth market this fiscal year. At the same time, we will continue to cut costs by streamlining the organization and bringing operations in-house in response to the shrinking market. CGM expects to promote sales expansion of its 365-day product in the U.S. as well as Europe through acquisition of the CE mark.

LSI Medience, although some effects from the inappropriate quality management still remain, has completed special measures in the previous year and has reacquired certification by the association for the promotion of healthcare-related service marks. This fiscal year, we will work to reacquire ISO certification and grow at the same level as the market. We will continue to implement measures to improve profitability and strive to further improve profitability as a restructured business. WeMex will work to capture healthcare DX-related revenues and to expand sales of newly launched cloud products. In the pathology business, in addition to growth in demand for consumables, we will work to improve profitability by expanding sales of new digital pathology products and, at the same time, improving productivity and reducing costs. In biomedical, we expect to capture investment demand to return to a certain level this year.

We expect to expand sales of our core products, such as ultra- low temperature freezers and incubators, and we plan to launch a bioreactor, a second new product in the CGT. IVD will promote sales expansion of equipment and reagents by utilizing the sales channels in the U.S., which were strengthened in the previous year, and based on the mid-term plan, we will realize the effect of the domestic sales integration implemented at the beginning of this fiscal year. In addition, from this fiscal year, we will proceed with the evaluation of capital efficiency through the introduction of ROIC management at the company-wide level and establishment of a framework to strengthen portfolio management. Lastly, in our efforts in FY2025, we are aiming to expand sales of two new products this fiscal year. We will build a foundation for growth this fiscal year with new products in our focus areas.

That is all from me. I will now turn over to CFO Yamaguchi.

Kaiju Yamaguchi
Executive Corporate Officer and CFO, PHC Holdings Corporation

Yes. I would like to start with an overview of the FY2024 results and move on to explain the forecast for FY2025. I will start with the consolidated financial results for FY2024. Revenue and profits increased year-on-year in all indicators, and it was actually higher. We actually achieved the performance forecast that was provided in the third quarter. The overview was already explained by Deguchi-san, but more details will be given later in each segment. Profit before tax increased by JPY 3.21 billion- JPY 18.8 billion. In addition to the increase in the operating profit, this was mainly due to better foreign exchange gains and losses and lower interest expenses.

Including the increased tax burden due to higher profits, profit attributable to the owners or parent was JPY 10.5 billion, and earnings per share was JPY 83. EBITDA increased by JPY 4.2 billion year-on-year. The difference between the increase in operating profit of JPY 21 billion and the increase in EBITDA was mainly due to impairment losses totaling JPY 16.1 billion from LSI Medience pathology and diagnostics business in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA for one-off income and expenses increased by JPY 0.4 billion. The difference, with a JPY 4.2 billion increase in EBITDA, was mainly due to lower restructuring costs recorded in the prior year. ROIC calculated as operating profit after tax divided by average invested capital during the period. There was an improvement from 0.3% in the prior year to 3.8% in the current year. In the mid-term management plan, we will raise this amount to 8% by 2027.

JPY 164 to the euro and 152 JPY to the dollar was used as exchange rate. Both rates were significantly weaker than the prior year. The results for the three months in the fourth quarter will be explained on the next page, but the table on the right-hand side on this page will talk a little about the changes compared to the fourth quarter of the previous year. All the indicators were positive year-on-year until the third quarter, but in the fourth quarter, revenue and operating profit declined. Revenue was mainly due to the following factors: in diabetes management, BGM, significant revenue in the previous year, especially in Europe and Q4, due to distributor stock build-up in the previous year. In the current year, there was a period phasing to Q3 and the healthcare IT solutions.

The previous Q4 saw special demand related to the online eligibility check system. Operating profit was mainly due to higher margins in BGM and the online eligibility check system, as well as adjustment difference in bonus provisions in the fourth quarter and the restructuring-related provision in diagnostics and life sciences. Adjusted EBITDA, this number is mainly due to lower operating profit, as well as one-off gains from sales of non-operating assets in the CE and the review, compared to a large number of one-off restructuring-related costs in the prior year. Page 12 shows quarterly trends in revenue and operating profit. Revenue was steadily increased quarter by quarter since the second quarter. In the fourth quarter, revenue increased due to year-end demand gains in Japan, including year-end acceptance test revenue in the CRO business, despite some demand declines in the BGM business that could have been seen as phasing.

Operating profit decreased by 29% compared to the third quarter. In addition to the impact of lower revenues in the BGM business, this was due to production adjustments in diagnostics and life sciences to reduce inventories and the provisions for structural reforms to be implemented in the following year. Factors contributing to the decrease in profit compared to the fourth quarter of the prior year are explained on the previous page. Page 13 describes revenue by segment and business. Diabetes management revenue in 2024 was down by 2.9% year-on-year, including the positive impact of FX. Excluding FX, this is down by 6.2%, which means that the decline is more moderate compared to the prior year's minus 8.5%. This was due to a slowdown in the decline in BGM revenue, as well as an increase in CGM revenue following the launch of the 365-day product.

Healthcare solutions was up by 6.7% year-on-year, JPY 128.3 billion. Healthcare IT solutions revenues increased by 17.7% year-on-year due to the effect of M&A implemented in the third quarter of the prior year, as well as the acquisition of demand for electronic prescriptions, which has been strong since the second quarter of the year. Revenue in diagnostics and life sciences increased slightly year-on-year to JPY 130.9 billion, with a favorable impact of FX, or 2.7% decline, excluding FX impact. Although consumables performed well in pathology, this was not enough to compensate for the decline of biomedical revenue, which were affected by stagnant market demand for instruments. A segment will be explained later on. [Foreign language] The top chart on page 14 shows a breakdown of year-on-year changes in revenue and operating profit. The top chart shows revenue.

Excluding the favorable impact of JPY 8.2 billion from foreign exchange, the growth rate was almost flat at -0.2%. The trend was similar to the third quarter, with demand for e-prescriptions in healthcare IT solutions and M&A effects, and continued strong sales of consumables in the pathology business. On the other hand, sales of diabetes management declined by JPY 6.3 billion, and biomedical continued to be affected by stagnant equipment demand. The graph below shows the breakdown of changes in operating profit. The healthcare solutions saw a significant increase due to the absence of the JPY 12.7 billion impairment loss recorded in the previous year, but even excluding the impact of that impairment loss, operating profit increased by JPY 6 billion.

The JPY 2.9 billion increase in headquarter and others was mainly due to cost reductions, a decrease in one-time restructuring expenses recorded in the last year, and one-time proceeds from the sale of non-business assets in the current fiscal year. The foreign exchange impact on operating profit was negative JPY 0.5 billion, mainly in the diabetes management and pathology business. Overseas expenses increased due to the yen's depreciation, and this fiscal year growth of biomedical, which is positively impacted by the yen depreciation, was sluggish. I will now provide an overview of revenue and operating profit by segment. First is diabetes management. Revenue and operating profit were down 2.9% and 13.2% respectively year-on-year. BGM's revenue decline due to the termination of sales collaboration in the U.S. and the shrinkage of the market in developed countries has been narrowing.

In the mid-term plan, we set a CAGR of -2.4% from FY2025 onward. Market share gains and the effects of measures taken in the focused segments are emerging, and we are generally on track to achieve that level. CGM saw an increase in the number of users as a result of the launch of the 365-day product in the U.S. Revenues increased year-on-year, although they did not reach our projections. Despite improved profitability in CGM and lower restructuring costs in BGM that were recorded in the previous year, operating profit decreased due to the lower profit margins from a change in the mix of sales channels and markets, in addition to the impact of lower revenue and higher expenses from foreign exchange and inflation effects. Next is healthcare solutions. Revenue increased 6.7% to JPY 128.3 billion.

In LSI Medience, despite a decrease in COVID-19-related testing, the impact of the inappropriate quality management was smaller than initially expected, and revenue increased mainly due to an increase in general testing. In healthcare IT solutions, demand for electronic prescriptions remains strong, offsetting a temporary decline in demand related to the online eligibility check system in the previous year, and M&A effects also contributed to a JPY 7.8 billion year-on-year increase in revenue. In the CRO business, despite year-end demand from domestic companies in the fourth quarter, revenue fell short of projections and recorded a decline. Operating margin in this segment improved to 7.2%. In the previous year, LSI Medience had an impairment loss of JPY 3.7 billion and one-time expenses of JPY 1 billion for structural reforms, etc., for the segment as a whole, but even excluding these effects, operating profit increased by JPY 4.7 billion.

The main reasons were improved profitability due to profit improvement measures at LSI Medience, as well as the contribution to earnings from the business acquired through M&A in healthcare IT solutions. [Foreign language] Finally, diagnostics and life sciences revenue in segment was JPY 130.9 billion, and pathology business was affected by market conditions mainly in China and lower demand in instruments, but continued to grow in consumables in Europe and U.S., as well as the impact of price increases also increased revenue in excluding the positive impact of exchange rates. Biomedical saw year-on-year a decline in revenue as the impact of a stagnant global capital investment demand continued despite the positive impact of foreign exchange rates, and the fourth quarter saw a decline in demand due to uncertainty caused by U.S. policy.

The diagnostics business revenue declined as a result of lower demand for electric pharmaceutical injectors, which had been strong in the previous year, although there was one-off revenue from the conclusion of the distributorship agreement in North America. Operating profit was affected by changes in the one-off income and expenses. In the same period last year, there was a sale of associated company of JPY 2.5 billion and the impairment loss of JPY 3.4 billion, one-off cost of JPY 1 billion, mainly related to structural reforms, and in this fiscal year, one-off gains of JPY 0.6 billion were recorded. Adjusted EBITDA, excluding these one-off factors, which is shown on the bottom right-hand side of the corner, increased by JPY 300 million year-on-year.

After excluding and decreased by JPY 300 million, excluding FX impact, profits improved in the pathology business due to strong revenue and consumables and cost-cutting measures such as lower transport costs, but this was not enough to offset the decline in profits in biomedical and diagnostic business, partly due to provisions made for certain restructuring-related costs. Page 18 shows revenue by region. In Japan, revenue increased by 3.8% year-on-year, mainly as a result of lower revenue in the biomedical and diagnostic business, offset by demand for prescription in the healthcare and IT solutions business and the effects of M&A. In Europe, the pathology business remained strong despite a positive currency impact. This was not enough to compensate for the decline in BGM. Biomedical and diagnostic revenue fell by 1.9% year-on-year.

In North America, the impact of the termination of the BGM collaboration was diminished, and the increase in revenues from the diagnostics business, including pathology and one-off revenues, offset the decline in revenues from the biomedical business, which increased by 4.8% year-on-year, including the positive impact of FX. In other regions, same level as prior year, with recovery in the rest of Asia, although the effects of stagnant market conditions in China continued to be felt. Page 19 describes one-off income and expenses included in the operating profit as reconciling items from operating portfolio adjusted EBITDA. In the previous year, impairment losses amounted to JPY 12.7 billion in any health science solutions and JPY 3.4 billion in pathology and diagnostics, and this was none in the current year.

In terms of the adjustments from EBITDA to adjusted EBITDA, in the prior year, there were one-off costs related to restructuring of JPY 7.2 billion in the consolidated total, including JPY 4.7 billion in diabetes management. In the current year, this is JPY 0.9 billion. With regard to one-off gains, in the prior year, there was a JPY 2.5 billion gain in the sale of an associate company in diagnostics and life sciences. In this fiscal year, one-off gains of JPY 0.6 billion were recorded in diagnostics and life sciences on agency contracts and JPY 0.6 billion in the head office and other segments, mainly from the sale of non-business assets. Moving on to the consolidated balance sheet, compared to the end of last fiscal year, there were no significant changes.

Brisk description, the main assets or liabilities as shown here, balance of goodwill, JPY 206.5 billion, decrease of JPY 2.2 billion, and total interest-bearing debt was repaid by JPY 27.4 billion, bringing the balance back to JPY 255.3 billion. Due to a decrease in the interest-bearing debt, the adjusted EBITDA multiple for net debt decreased to 4.3 times compared to the end of the previous year, and factors behind this are shown on the next slide. ROE was 7.5% at the end of the fiscal year. At the time of the publication of the mid-term plan, 5% was assumed, so this is an improvement, but we want to achieve more than 10% by 2027. In the fiscal year, cash and deposits decreased by JPY 7.5 billion compared to the end of the prior year. Operating cash flow was JPY 41.9 billion.

Capital investment expenditure was JPY 11.6 billion, which was similar to the prior year, and financing cash flow, which includes repayment of borrowing and lease liabilities and dividend payments, amounted to JPY 39.1 billion. This is all about the performance. [Foreign language] Next, I will now explain our three-year forecast for the fiscal year 2025. For the fiscal year 2025, we forecast revenue of JPY 363.1 billion, up JPY 1.5 billion year-on-year, and operating profit of JPY 17.4 billion, increasing revenue and decreasing profit year-on-year. In line with the mid-term plan announced last year, we have already announced that we will incorporate restructuring expenses in this fiscal year. In addition, we have taken into account the potential impact of tariff actions in the U.S. based on the assumption. Operating profit is expected to decrease by JPY 5.2 billion year-on-year. Details are explained on the next page and thereafter.

Profit before taxes is expected to decrease by JPY 6.6 billion from the previous year due to the impact of the decrease in operating profit and the fact that the foreign exchange gains we had in the previous year are not expected in this current year's plan. After factoring in a decrease in taxes due to the lower profit, we forecast profit attributable to owners of the parent to be JPY 7.4 billion and basic earnings per share to be JPY 59. The assumed exchange rate is JPY 155 to the euro and $1.00 equals JPY 140, same as the mid-term plan. The dividend forecast is currently JPY 42 per share for the year, the same amount as the previous year.

We would like to make a final additional after-care reviewing the progress of business performance and future financial situation, taking into consideration the fact that there are many uncertainties in this fiscal year. We summarized the potential impact of the tariff actions, which we took into consideration in our plan for this fiscal year, assuming that we continue with our existing operations as they are and that the additional tariff rate continues for this fiscal year, which is the same as of May 11 and for the full year. We estimate that the annual impact on operating profit will be about JPY 6 billion. We will implement mitigation measures such as operational changes and the price pass-through. We believe that we can absorb most of this impact by these measures, but we have included JPY 1-JPY 1.5 billion as a risk in the other segment.

We have a high percentage of production bases in Japan and Indonesia, and our pathology business has a major base in the U.S., with some manufacturing in China and Europe. In order to minimize commercial distribution between the U.S. and China, which has a significant impact, we will optimize production sites and shipping destinations by expanding production in the U.S. sites for products destined for the U.S., delivering products manufactured in China to Europe and Asia, and establishing production systems at other sites for equipment manufactured in China. In addition, we are considering switching to direct shipment of biomedical products that are currently shipped via the U.S. to other countries. Regarding price pass-through, we have already implemented or notified some products, but we will continue to study while keeping an eye on the trends of policies and other companies.

The chart on page 25 shows the comparison of revenue to FY2024 by segment. Although the favorable impact of foreign exchange will be eliminated, we expect a 4.1% increase in revenue excluding FX impact. Diabetes management has been experiencing a continuous decline in revenue due to the significant impact of market contraction in BGM, but in FY2025, excluding FX impact, we expect the sales to turn around to an increase. We expect BGM revenue to decline only JPY 3.5 billion due to stabilization in North America and the narrowing of the decline in Europe, as well as gains in market share and sales growth in growth areas, while CGM sales are expected to increase JPY 6.7 billion due to expanded sales of 365-day product. CGM plans are ambitious, but we plan to achieve growth by expanding sales of new products in which we are making major investments.

In healthcare solutions, LSI Medience will offset some residual impact from the inappropriate quality management and expect to increase revenue in line with market growth, and healthcare IT solutions is forecasted to increase revenue by JPY 4 billion, expecting sales expansion of cloud electronic medical records launched this fiscal year and recovery in the CRO business, which struggled last year. In diagnostics and life sciences, we expect demand of consumables in pathology business to continue to be strong, and in biomedical, we anticipate high growth, assuming a recovery in market and an increase in sales of basic products. Although there is a certain amount of risk regarding market recovery at this point, we will consider controlling costs when there is a risk to sales since investment for growth and sales growth are two sides of the same coin.

The chart on page 26 shows the difference in operating profit from the previous year by factor. For this fiscal year, we expect a 14.7% decrease in operating profit excluding the impact of one-time items and the FX. First, we expect a JPY 4.6 billion increase in operating profit due to the impact of higher revenues, including an improvement in the profit margin. The JPY 6.6 billion impact of inflation is expected to be offset by about 70% through price increases and cost reductions. We expect to increase investment by JPY 4.9 billion, including an increase in personnel and so on in line with sales growth, but this will be adjusted according to circumstances if the revenue increase plan does not progress as expected. Others include a positive impact from a decrease in depreciation and amortization, etc.

However, in addition to the tariff impact of JPY 1 billion-JPY 1.5 billion I mentioned earlier, we have factored the cost at the head office, including efficiency measures. In addition, we plan to implement structural reforms in line with our mid-term plan. We have factored in JPY 1.7 billion in one-time expenses for these reforms, resulting in a forecast of JPY 17.4 billion in operating profit for this fiscal year. Excluding the impact of tariffs and one-time charges, we plan to achieve roughly the same level as the previous year. Page 27 shows year-on-year changes for each segment. Revenue was explained earlier, and I'd like to briefly supplement the information on operating profit and adjusted EBITDA.

Diabetes management is forecasting a 3.7% increase in operating profit, although revenue is expected to decrease, including the FX impact due to the increased revenue in CGM, as well as the lower depreciation and lower one-time expenses in BGM. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be negative 6.6% due to an adjustment for depreciation and one-time expenses. In healthcare solutions and diagnostics and life sciences, we expect increasing revenue and a decrease in profit due to investment expansion in line with higher sales and higher costs, including personnel expenses and inflationary effect. Finally, assumption of foreign exchange is sensitivity. Assuming a depreciation of the yen by 1 yen throughout the year, we expect a positive impact of JPY 400 million and JPY 550 million on revenue against the euro and the US dollar, respectively, in this year's plan.

Operating profit is expected to increase by JPY 35 million against the US dollar. That's all. Thank you.

Operator

Now we will light up on the follow-up questions. We also want to invite Senior Executive Vice President, COO, and CSO, Koujiro Sato, to join us for the Q&A session. If you have a question, please click the raise-a-hand button, and when I read out your name, the microphone setting will be changed. Please unmute yourself, state your name and affiliation, and ask your question. Please ask only one or two questions at a time. If you have a question, please raise your hand, and I'll call out your name in the order the hands were raised. Mr. Ryotaro Hayashi, please unmute yourself and ask your question.

Ryotaro Hayashi
Vice President and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

[Foreign language] Yes, this is Hayashi, Morgan Stanley. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you.

I can ask one or two questions. I would like to ask a question, actually two questions, related to the United States. For FY2024, fourth quarter, PHC Holdings was impacted by the change in the market in the United States economy. That was before the tariff became a big issue. What kind of market status change or U.S. policy change affected your business? Can you please talk about that?

Kaiju Yamaguchi
Executive Corporate Officer and CFO, PHC Holdings Corporation

Thank you for your question. Change in the market status. This was not about tariff. Since the new government, new administration, with regard to subsidy, the trend in terms of subsidy and also trend related to the universities, for example, there were some uncertainties, and there was a slight decrease in the demand starting from the fourth quarter that we saw.

As I said before, according to assumptions from the end of the third quarter, the market was beginning to recover. In the fourth quarter, there was another change, and the market started to become weak. That's what we meant.

Ryotaro Hayashi
Vice President and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, my second question is, the tariff impact will be there for this fiscal year, but you are trying to minimize the impact of tariffs. This is why only JPY 1 billion-JPY 1.5 billion impact will be seen. Now, supply chain and logistics will be the focus of your countermeasures. This is my understanding. Biomedical products in the United States or period products, I think many of these products are capital products. I think that the demand may experience negative impact as well. Your focus does not really reflect the weakness of demand. Is that correct?

Kaiju Yamaguchi
Executive Corporate Officer and CFO, PHC Holdings Corporation

Right.

We have just explained the parts that will be directly affected by the tariffs. Supply chain and price pass-through should be able to absorb that. This impact, overall demand decline is not really reflected in this situation. I would like to add, demand can be affected by the market. There is a group of co-products for biomedical in that situation, but we have CGM and also a period digital pathology. For these, the demand continues to be strong, and we will be introducing new products as well in order to drive further demand. Fourth quarter and beyond, a period is seeing a strength in consumables as well. We want to increase the ratio of recurrence in consumables in order to drive business as well.

Thank you. Understood. That's all from me. Thank you very much.

Operator

[Foreign language] Yes, please. Mr. Seiji Wakao, please.

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Wakao from JP Morgan. Regarding a biomedical situation in the U.S. that we have just discussed, you have assumptions of a recovery of market conditions to a certain degree, but in the fourth quarter, subsidies trend affected negatively onto the demand. As a backdrop of this, the U.S. Trump administration has been cutting the subsidies to NIH and other colleges and universities. Given those circumstances, I think that it is difficult to expect the market recovery. What is your assumption on this particular point? Not in academia, but in business operators like pharma and biotechs, are you going to make a shift to those private companies? Could you elaborate more on your assumptions, please?

Kaiju Yamaguchi
Executive Corporate Officer and CFO, PHC Holdings Corporation

As you said, the public agencies, NIH and the CECs, I think that they may suffer further subsidy cuts going forward.

However, in the private sectors, there are customers, and we are trying to expand our customer base, and we started taking actions since the last fiscal fourth quarter. Also, in biosciences, in IVDs and reagents, we would like to expand furthermore the sales so that we will be able to increase the overall revenue. In that way, a period IVD biomedical in those three areas, we would like to grow the biomedical businesses.

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thank you. The budget has been cut. However, by shifting the targets, you are planning or you are confident to achieve this new fiscal year's objectives. Is that right?

Kaiju Yamaguchi
Executive Corporate Officer and CFO, PHC Holdings Corporation

If I give you a supplement, at the moment, as Wakao-san pointed out, and also as Deguchi explained to the public organizations and also the universities, subsidies have been cut, and that contains a certain risk. That is actually the headwinds for us.

Overall, there is a certain risk. At the same time, we are monitoring the tariffs movement. Given this current US administration, they give a certain direction, and then after that, they take an opposite direction in terms of policy. Therefore, there may be overshoot expected after turning to a certain direction. Regarding the revenue, as I mentioned, there are certain risks. Therefore, we would like to control and review and monitor the situations. We would like to navigate our business. Others, including pharma, private sectors, and also we launched new products and resources. We would like to expand our revenues, as Deguchi mentioned.

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Understood. I could understand it very well. Thank you very much.

If I missed your explanation, I'm sorry, but regarding the dividend, I think if the revenue was lower, then you also explained that the dividend may be lower, but you maintained. Could you explain the background? Thank you.

Kaiju Yamaguchi
Executive Corporate Officer and CFO, PHC Holdings Corporation

Last November, we announced the mid-term plan, and in that plan, dividend policy is based upon the comprehensive review of performance and the market conditions. Also, in terms of capital allocation, the JPY 5-15 billion, the shareholders' return in three years, that's planned. That's also announced. Overall, regarding FY2024, our performance was good. In FY2025, we would like to maintain the dividend as much as possible. We decided to maintain the dividend at this time. In terms of capital allocation, almost JPY 15 billion, almost to the ceiling level, is allocated for dividend payment.

Kyoko Deguchi
President and CEO, PHC Holdings Corporation

We'd like to achieve our performance target as much as possible in FY2025. That is the first priority. In terms of priority of capital allocation, shareholder return is a bit deprioritized. Therefore, looking at the financial situations, we would like to make a decision going forward.

Seiji Wakao
Senior Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Understood very much. Thank you very much.

Operator

[Foreign language] If you have a question, please raise your hand. よろしいでしょうか。 No further questions. ご質問いただきました。皆様、どうもありがとうございました。 Thank you very much for joining us for the Q&A session. That concludes our financial performance briefing. We really appreciate that you took time out of your very busy schedule today. Thank you.

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