Tokio Marine Holdings, Inc. (TYO:8766)
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Jul 17, 2024

Summary

Brazil's insurance market is growing, with TMSR achieving 633% premium growth and a leading 8.5% administrative expense ratio. Strategic focus on people, process automation, and broker-driven distribution has driven market share gains, high customer satisfaction, and strong profitability.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you everyone for participating despite your busy schedules. I am Ishiguro, Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings. We are pleased to present Tokio Marine Insights, a series of presentations hosted regularly for our fellow analysts and institutional investors to hear from our frontline members regarding topics of interest to you. We have received a great deal of interest in our international business, a growth driver for our company. Therefore, in recent issues of Tokio Marine Insights, we have featured Philly, Kiln, HCC, Delphi, and Thailand Safety. Now this time, we are introducing Tokio Marine Seguradora, the background behind the company's remarkable profit growth in recent years, and the source of the company's competitive strengths in Brazil. The presenter today is the CEO in Brazil of Tokio Marine Seguradora, José Adalberto Ferrara.

In terms of procedures, first, Mr. Ferrara will use the slides that are uploaded onto the homepage already. Then later, after his presentation, we will engage in a Q&A session. Please submit your questions in the chat box at the bottom of the page that you are seeing on your screen. Japanese or English, both are fine. Today, we will end around 10:00 A.M. in Japan. Depending on how many questions we get, we will continue maximum until 10:30 JST. Over to you, Mr. Ferrara. Please start.

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Okay. Please, if you can put the first slide for me, please. Just let me tell, good morning for ladies and gentlemen that are on this presentation. It's going to be a pleasure for me to present our operations down here in Brazil. We call Tokio Marine Seguradora or just when I say TMSR stands for Tokio Marine Seguradora in Brazil, right? So it's going to be a pleasure for me to introduce you our operations over here and any questions that you have, please, at the end of the meeting, we have a Q&A section that I will be available to answer any questions that you might have. Okay? My name is Ferrara. My last name is Ferrara. I got TMSR, Tokio Marine Seguradora in September 2009, so basically 15 years ago.

For the last, as CIO, Chief Information Officer, running technology and operations in that time, in 2013, July 1, 2013, I became the CEO of our operations over here, right? So in July 1, 2024, I just complete 11 years running the operations over here, and I'm going to try to explain to you or to show to you my colleagues what's going on down here in Brazil. Let's move to the. I'm a person, like I said, as Chief Information Officer, but, I had an opportunity to run for to work for banks, especially in the U.S. I had an opportunity to work there for almost five years in a bank here, running technology over there. The same that I have done in Tokio Marine in Brazil when I started working over here as the CIO.

But as the president changes, let's say the function change a lot, and I would like to share with you the key accomplishments that we had in the last 13 years, okay? Let's move on. Next slide, please. It shows you our agenda. It's a pretty simple agenda. We are going to give you a company overview. But before that, I'm going to show to you what is our current market overview, in terms of insurance industry in Brazil. Let's talk now about our strategy, and as I said before, our last section is going to be regarding the Q&A section. Moving to the next slide. Instead of talking about company review, next slide is going to show to you, please, the Brazil insurance market, the current Brazil insurance market. As you can see, Brazil is one of the most promising emerging markets, right?

Where the gross written premium amounts BRL 175 billion or $34 billion, right? And our product mix, the entire country, basically the auto business is 33%, life business is 29%, commercial line is 31%, and personal line is 7%. Right? In terms of the growth of P&C market, it is expected for the next 10 years to have a growth of 6.6%, with a CAGR of 6.6% in the next 10 years. That is the plan of our Brazilian industry. Let me tell you, this $34 billion is basically 1.7% of our gross domestic product that totals $3 trillion. So 1.7% stands for those $34.2 billion. But that represents only P&C business and life business. When we include in the Brazilian industry, the health business and the pension business, that number goes from $34 billion- $124 billion, right?

So basically, one-third of our Brazilian industry is P&C and life. Another one-third is health business, and one-third is the health business. But we at TMSR, in Tokio Marine Brazil, we just work with the P&C and life business. We don't do business in the health business, neither pension business so far, just on P&C and life business. That reason, I'm showing you the size of this market that totals $34.2 billion. Moving to the next slide. You can see that TMSR is one of the leading insurance in Brazil today. We are doing business over here for 65 years. In July 7 of 2024, we just completed 65 years of presence in Brazil. Nowadays, we have 2,400 employees working for our company over here. In 2023, our gross written premium has reached $2.4 billion.

Our market share totals 6.5% in the Brazilian industry, and we are the fourth biggest insurance company operating in Brazil, the fourth. In that line of business that I told you, without health, without pension business, just including P&C and life business. When we took a look on that industry, we are the fourth biggest insurance company operating in Brazil. Our 2023 net income after taxes totals $245 million, right? And we have reached a combined ratio of 86.7%. For a company like us, we define ourselves as a multi-line company. It means that we work in all line of business, without health and pension business. So to have a combined ratio of 86.7% is an excellent one, and I'm going to show you how the competitors are performing, looking the combined ratio in a few minutes from now.

We are also the third best company to work in Brazil. We have been awarded for 11 consecutive years by an institute called Great Place to Work. For 11 consecutive years, we have been awarded as one of the good company to work for. Let us move to the next slides, where I am going to show to you the TMSR top-line evolution. As you can see on the left corner, we were, in 2011, a company of BRL 1.6 billion gross written premium, and we have reached, at the end of 2023, on the right corner, BRL 12.1 billion gross written premium. It means that in the last 12 years, the company has grown seven times more or 633% growth since 2011. That means a CAGR of 18%, the annual growth in this last 12 months, 12 years, sorry.

I would like to draw your attention when you see the yellow bubbles. That is the number where Tokio Marine has grown each year. When you see 2012, for example, it was 25.8%, and in 2023, the growth was 15.2%. The number that you see above of that yellow bubble is how the market has grown in the same year. As you can see, along these 12 years, Tokio Marine has grown much more than the average of the market. That is something that keep us, let us say, in a very solid and sustainable growth for those 11 years, growing much more than the market average. When we move to the next slide, please. Slide number eight, you will see the bottom line evolution. Bottom line evolution, as you can see, the return profitability since 2011.

We have been improving our combined ratio since 2011, where our combined ratio was 120%. As you can see, in 2023, we have closed with a combined ratio of 86.7%. In 2009, 2010, when you see the left bottom corner. You will see that in 2009, 2010, unfortunately, in that time when we got the company here, TMSR in Brazil was losing money. We have lost in 2009 and 2010. From 2011 on, TMSR finally started getting profit, and we start with BRL 50 million in 2011, and we have reached BRL 1 billion, BRL 832 billion profit before taxes in 2023. At the same time, the combined ratio reduced from 120% to 800.6%. Next slide, Jamie, I am going to show to you other metrics of our evolution. Please go to the next slide. You can see the market share.

As you can see in this slide, we have basically six benchmark companies, like Porto Seguro, the Spanish-based company that we call Mapfre, the Germany-based company, Allianz, another Germany-based company, HDI, Hannover, the USA company, Liberty Insurance Company, and the Japanese one, our co-sister Sompo Insurance Company. We have been succeeding our market share. We have been growing since 2012. We were 2.7% market share, and we have growth of 6.5% in 2023 market share. At the same time, Porto Seguro and other companies, you can see by the arrows, they are declining their participation, and we are getting advantages to grow our market share. Basically, compared with our six benchmark insurance company, Tokio Marine has grown, and we got the fourth largest market share in Brazil nowadays, or the second among non-bank insurance. TMSR is the only insurance with constant market share gain. Okay?

When we move to the next slide, please. Slide number 10. You can see also the comparison with the key competitors in terms of combined ratio. Take a look on the left side. You will see that our combined ratio in 2011 was 120%, and in the right corner, in 2023 was 87.2%. Another thing that I would like to draw your attention is that the best in class profitability since 2017. If you take a look on the green dot, the line, that is the line regarding Tokio Marine performance. Since 2017, we have been getting the best in class profitability since 2017. Also, we got, let's say, improvement of our combined ratio in 19% since 2011. Nowadays, even in 2024, we are running basically with the same combined ratio that I'm showing to you, that was the end of 2023.

Other companies, basically, they run over 100%, our benchmark companies, as you can see in the left side and in the right side as well. Why they run over 100%? In those companies, basically, they use the investment income as part of the combined ratio. They use the concept of extended combined ratio, where they include the net investment and because they make money with that. We are doing business in a country where our interest rate is approximately 10.5% interest rate in annual basis. Many of those companies, even the multinational companies, they prefer not doing in concept, not doing underwriting profit and give you a preference to do the net investment income. We at Tokio Marine, we manage the company to have underwriting profit or operational profit and, let's say, the net investment, something that will add to our result.

What we look in priority is to have underwriting profit or running below 95% combined ratio. That is our metric over here that we run and in line with the Tokio Marine Holdings definition. Let's move on to the next slide. You'll see also the comparison in terms of administrative expense ratio. This is very important metric for us due to the fact that the administrative expense efficiency allows us to practice competitive price for growing with sustainable profit. I'm going to explain you better. Administrative expense ratio evolution of the six-benchmark insurance, as you can see, we were 20% in 2011. On the left side, 20%, and nowadays we are 8.5%. Basically, if you take a look on the right side, comparing the administrative expense ratio with our benchmark companies, we have the best one by far.

That is due to a lot of technology that we put in place in our process, automating our process and controlling expenses in a good shape. Basically, that administrative expense ratio give us, let's say, a more competitive advantages when compared with our benchmark companies, because we can practice, let's say, competitive prices for our customers and brokers. That is something that has been supporting a lot our growth for the last 12 years, as I showed to you in the previous slides. In order to the competitors to reach the same level of administrative expenses, they need to invest a lot in technology like us, and also to automate their process in the way that we are automating.

So one of the, let's say, the best things that we have in our operation here is a very excellent technology in place that lead us to have an excellent administrative expense ratio of just 8.5% compared with our earned premium. If you take a look, since 2015, when you see again the dotted green line, you will see that since 2013, we have the best administrative expense ratio since 2015. For approximately nine years, we are one of the best companies in terms of administrative expense ratio. Moving to the next slide. Slide 12, please. Let's talk a little bit about strategy. In terms of strategy, let's move on to the next slide, please. You will see that one of the key strategy of our operation here, we talk about our 4Ps.

4Ps stands for, first P, people; second P, our process; the third P is product; and fourth P, passion in what we are doing. Let me try to explain to you. Anything about a company, including insurance companies, obviously, is about people and processes. We put a lot of passion in what we are doing over here. We needed to work with the people, more than 2,400 people that work for the company. They are our priority. Our second priority is the automation of our process that help us to reduce the administrative expenses and to support the growing volume of the company with the same amount of people working for us, the same headcount working for us. The third one, the third P is the product. We have a complete solution for individuals and companies.

But product is a sort of, let's say, thing that can be easily copied by the competitor. But the quality of people, the quality of our process, the automation process that we have in place, and the passion that our 2,400 people dedicated to our company here is something very difficult to be copied. In order to do that, it takes time. It's a time-consuming process to have those three bullets, let's say people, process, and passion in line to support the growth. It is not something that the competitors can copy easily. Product they can copy, but the other is very difficult to be copied. We feel very honored to have a, let's say, like I told you before, for 11 years, to be one of the best companies to work for, defined by the Great Place to Work, the American institute called Great Place to Work.

People is part of that strategy. Engaged and committed team is a key differentiator of TMSR when compared with our competitors. Okay? Let's move on to the next slide, please. Let's talk about our 4 P strategies. This positive cycle enables TMSR to have been succeeding to grow more than the market for 12 consecutive years. Since 2011, the number of employees grew only 60%. The headcount of this company has grown only 60%. At the same time, our gross written premium has grown 7.3x . We had 633% growth in terms of top line gross written product, and our headcount just grew only 60%. That is due to a lot of automation that we have in place and good people that we have been training and working for us, and committed people.

So, for no doubt, engaged and empowered people lead us to continuously improve the process that we have in place, and that bring us the best-in-class cost efficiency, like I told you before, right? We are running cost efficiency with 8.5% in regard to our annual premium. Also the best-in-class cost efficiency lead us to a competitive price, including a diversified product that we have in place. So, at the end of the day, we have broker and customer satisfaction as a source of our passion over here. When we have all those items together, lead us to have a best-in-class profit growth like I showed to you, 18% CAGR growth in the last 12 years, or 87% of combined ratio, a little bit lower than 95%, that was the combined ratio defined for the Brazilian operation by the head office.

That strategy, let's say, lead us to a continuous high investment since 2009. That cycle goes back to engaged and empowered employee, continuously improving the process, and also providing a best-in-class cost efficiency. That circle of strategy is something that works fine over here, and the best metric is what is written in the second bullet, 60% growth in terms of headcount with 633% growth in terms of gross written product. That shows everything what we have been doing in terms of strategy. Let's move on to page 15, please. On page 15, as you can see, the employee satisfaction. Remember that in the four Ps, just reinforcing what I said before, I said the first priority is the people. First P, people. Second is process. Third is product, and the fourth is passion. The first one, people, is regarding and we measure the employee satisfaction.

Every year, we provide a sort of survey, internal survey, using Great Place to Work with a bunch of questions that they do for all the 2,400 employees that we have over here. The result are those green bars that you are seeing over here. In 2011, for the first time that we have provided that survey, to be sincere, we got a little bit concerned or a lot of concern at that time, because we got, let's say, just 67 points employee satisfaction. In terms of national ranking, we were among 150 companies working in Brazil. We said, "By no means we are going, we needed to improve that employee satisfaction.

Let's work on that." I would say that our HR department and all the senior management of our company over here, we put in place a lot of initiatives in order to improve this employee satisfaction. As you can see, at the same time, the turnover shows us that we are getting success in doing that. The turnover in an Occidental country like in Brazil in 2011 was 21% turnover, and we had closed 2022 with 8% or 11% in 2023, right? This is something for the Occidental standards, it's a very excellent turnover, especially in our Brazilian market, right? When you see also the employee satisfaction score, that in 2011 was just 67%, we had closed 2023 with 93%, right?

Also, when you see the Great Place to Work ranking, in the bottom of the slide, you see that in 2013, we got a 47th position. Since 2019, let's say we are getting the second position. 2020 was in the fourth position, 2021, second position, 2022, second position, and 2023, the third position. Let me explain. The third position not in the insurance industry, the third position in the entire Brazil industry, not just the insurance industry. All the competitors including IBM, automakers like Toyota, Renault, Nissan, General Motors, et cetera. Banks as well, like Bradesco, Itaú, and other companies. The entire industry, more than 5,000 companies participated in that survey that was made in 2023, and we are honored to get the third position as one of the best places to work for in Brazil.

The third or the first one in terms of the insurance industry. The third in the Brazilian market, but the first one for sure in the insurance industry. We are very proud of that. Let's move on to the next slide. Slide 16. You can see also, I would like to reinforce that since I got the CEO position in July 1st, 2013, exactly 11 years ago, the senior team that I got in that time are the same. Basically, Marcelo Goldmann, Adilson, Luis Felipe, and Masaaki Itakura, all of them are the same since 2013. More recently, we have included Mrs. Rosetti, responsible by the governance and the enterprise risk management, and our CFO, Daniel Dibe, two years ago. Both, they got that position two years ago. I am very proud of my senior management team. We work as a team.

This is one of the key values of our company here, to work as a team. All those friends or colleagues, they work straightforward to keep growing a sustainable growth in all these years. Every year, we try to grow at least a two-digits growth. We try to do that. We have been getting success, like I showed to you in the previous slides, in those yellow bubbles numbers. If you take a look over there, major of the growth was two-digits growth. We are getting success in keeping two-digits growth for the years to come. Probably, a year ago was, just to remind you, was 15% a year ago. Chances are that in 2024, I'm very confident that we have a great chance also to keep growing two-digits along 2024.

I'm proud of this team that we are running together this company for 11 years. Let's move on to the next slide, please. Page 17. When we go to process, that is our second P, I would like to draw your attention that one of our key strategy in terms of processing, process, is to in-source the core and critical operations that we have in our organization over here. I'm going to explain to you. For example, when I got the company in 2009, running the CIO functions, basically, our system development team was 100% outsourced. I said, "By no means we are going to get success in speed up the process of delivering new processes, new automations," and we decided to internalize the entire team in that time. That has been proving the right thing to do.

Because we reduce costs with vendors, external vendors. At the same time, we improve the quality of our people in order to do the right technology for the company. Being a former CIO, Chief Information Officer, for me, it's pretty easy to understand the following. Look, my people that works on the IT division, they are by obligation, they need to understand technology, obviously. But what really they can add value to us is how much they know the insurance industry. So having an IT technician, IT expert that understand technology, plus add value knowing a lot the insurance market, is something that has been making the difference when we compare with our competitors. Basically, our 300 people that works in technology, all of them understands insurance industry very well, and they can cooperate with the evolution of our process, the products, and automation as well.

As well, technology innovation that I'm going to tell you a little bit later. Another operation that we have internalized was our call center. Basically, as an insurance industry, who gives supports to our customer and to our brokers? Basically, the call center attendants. That function was 100% outsourced as well. I said, "By no means we are going to deliver quality to our customers and brokers with an outsourcing company, with an employee that is not committed with the things of Tokio Marine." So we decided to internalize that team, and that has been proving the right thing that was done. Because many of the new positions that are open in the company, they come from call center to fill out that position that is open to grow the company, right? So call center people is something that makes a key difference for us.

Another internalization was the data center. Data center at that time was running the IBM data center when we decided to have our own data center, and we did a sort of colocation in another park. But just for you to have an idea, all the investments that we have done in data center, the payback of that post was less than one year. So in less than one year, we got the entire technology in place to have our own technology, and we saved more than $19 million in that time, that help us to reduce a lot our administrative expenses doing those kind of in-sourcing. Okay. The last one, I would like to mention our 24 road service assistance, and that was made in 2018. In 2021 also, we have internalized our 24 assistance for property.

The process automation and insourcing help us to reduce a lot our administrative expenses, in the last 12 years. Let's move on to the next slide, please. I would like just to mention our technology and innovation. We are considered one of the market leaders in terms of technology and innovation by brokers and competitors, and also we are a Tokio Marine Innovation Lab of our head office, right? We are one of the key countries with a good technology in place. That's the reason why we are in a position to be a Tokio Marine Innovation Lab for our Tokio Marine head office. Right? Let's move on to the next slide, please. Slide 19. Yeah, is it 19? As you can see, in terms of our third P is about product. We have a diversified and well-managed risks.

Since auto business, that represents 61% of our product mix, going over large property, marine or transport, homeowners, SME property, general liabilities, life business, energy, and surety bond. In terms of energy, I would like to point out that Brazil is a country very committed with the reduction of the carbon on the atmosphere, and we are investing a lot on green energy. Tokio Marine has become recently one of the first insurance leader in that market to move on the energy, producing green energy in the north and the south of the country. We have more than 60 product offering in our product mix portfolio. Basically, 61% is auto business, 29% is commercial line, 5% personal lines, and 5% life.

Let me tell you, most of our benchmark companies, most of them, they are much more bigger, let's say in terms of product mix, they are bigger than 61%. We have a more balanced portfolio mix, as you can see over here. Okay? In terms of auto business, we are the third biggest insurance company in Brazil. We were the second one until six months ago when Hannover bought Liberty, and they become a little bit bigger than us. We are the second now. We are the third one, but growing fast in order to reconquer that second position, the auto business, I guess in two years from now. We are moving, please, to the next slide. Slide 20.

As you just going for those four lines of products like auto business, you can see in 2011 compared with 2023, the gross written premium, we have grown more than 23% in terms of CAGR for auto business. In terms of operating result or underwriting result, auto business has grown 28% CAGR. Commercial lines also has grown 17% in terms of CAGR from 2011 to 2023, and a CAGR of underwriting profit of 12%. Next slide, please. You can see the same evolution of life business. Life business, the CAGR was, in the last 12 months, 80%. In terms of gross written premium, in terms of operating result, 16%. Personal lines, that includes, let's say, homeowners, rental and condominium, other line of business, CAGR was 15% in terms of gross written premium. The operating result CAGR was 5%.

All those line of business, as you can see, we have been growing a lot in all those line of business. There's a reason that in total, we have grown 633% in the last 12 years or seven times more. When we discount the inflation rate of these 12 years, basically, the size of the company, we have grown three times more. That company in 2011, that was BRL 1.6 billion, would be now, let's say BRL 3.2 billion considering inflation, but we are BRL 12.6 billion. We have grown three times more along these years above the inflation rate. Next slide shows to you, the slide 22, please. In terms of passion. When we mention passion, I would like to reinforce that the TMSR's DNA, Tokio Marine Brazil DNA, is we look at every time for operational excellence in everything that we do over here.

That's the reason why we get the commitment to excellent service quality and client satisfaction is considered the DNA of TMSR. All the employees of this company, our 2,400 employees that work for us, they are very committed in terms of exceeding the expectation of our brokers and the clients of those brokers or the clients as well. For that reason, we have on a daily basis, in every minute, we are measuring our key KPIs. We have 18 key performance indicators for client satisfaction, and those KPIs come from claims handling, contact center attendance, 24-hour service, and we measure that satisfaction coming from customers and brokers. We convert that client satisfaction, NPS, Net Promoter Score. Our Net Promoter Score, as you can see on the second bullet, we have reached 70% NPS in our company here.

As you know, in our industry, companies that run over 60% NPS is considered an excellent score. We are running above 70% for the last 12 years. I would say that delivering quality to brokers and clients, as a consequence of that, one of the biggest, let's say, success that we, again, over here, we have reached or we had grown our brokers base from 10,000 brokers to more than 42,000 brokers over the past 10 years. Just for you to have an idea, the Brazilian market has nowadays 120,000 brokers. So one third of the brokers are doing business with us on a daily basis. As you can see, 42,000 brokers. That explains also how we are growing fast, having, let's say, a distribution, sales distribution base at 100% in brokers base distribution.

I feel very proud to have to be one of the best in insurance, as you can see, and with a recognition coming also from a Prêmio Consumidor Moderno, award ceremony that they call us as the company of the year, in recognition by the customer service excellence that we have been doing for the years until now. I'm very proud for this kind of award, right, and to have our 2,400 employees very well committed with the company over here. In conclusion, please, I would like you, let's say, to summarize for you, my fellows, that our P&L, our gross written premium, we have grown 15.2% in 2023. Our gross written premium has reached $2.4 billion. By the way, when we go to the first semester of 2024, we have grown from $2.4 billion- $2.5 billion already.

Our net income is, we have reached in 2023, $245 million. Until the first semester of this year, the first semester, year-to-date numbers, we are profiting $140 million. The combined ratio was 86.7% in 2023. In 2024, the first semester, we are running basically with the same combined ratio with 87.7%. Although, many of you know, we got very extreme climate claims in the south of the country. Even with that extremity climate changes, even so, we are running in a very good shape. Also our administrative expenses that was in 2023, 8.5%, we are running in the first semester in 7.8%. The numbers in 2024, I'm very proud of those numbers.

I believe that chances are that we are going to run this company in 2024 even better than 2023, if we keep the same trend that we got in the first semester. My friends, thank you for listening to me, and [Non-English content] and [Non-English content]. I am open for Q&A, please.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you very much, Ferrara. That was a very passionate presentation, and we can very much hope for a double-digit growth going forward. As Tokio Marine Holdings, that is very encouraging to know. Now we would like to take questions from our fellow investors and analysts. Please type in your questions at the bottom of the screen in the chat box, and if you would like to cancel your questions, just please let us know that you would like to cancel. Without further ado, we have a lot of questions. First of all, the first one is from SMBC, Mr. Muraki. There are two questions. The first one is regarding page 17 of your presentation. Here you talked about the system insourcing and process automation. I was wondering how much IT investment you have made in the past for IT. How much is this?

Also the current headcount of your IT division, please. Or amongst your GWP, how much in percentage is allocated to technology, please? I would like to move on to the second question. The second question is regarding page 13, dynamic pricing. What kind of data is the dynamic pricing based on? What is the frequency of your pricing changes? When you change the prices so frequently, does it deteriorate the broker's satisfaction? Does your broker's satisfaction come down because of frequent price changes? Is there a certain customer segment that you focus on, please?

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Okay. Let me suggest you, if you could address one question by time, it would be better to me, okay? So the first question, I understand, regarding the insourcing process that we mention on page 17. Let us say, in terms of cost of the data center, like I told you, our payback was less than 12 months in terms of investment. In that time, in 2010, when we decided to insource the data center, in that time, I remember we have invested in reais, was BRL 12 million , or in dollar-based, it was, in that time, if you divide nowadays, by $4 million, $3 million in that time. Approximately $3 million, right? But just for you to understand, we were paying to IBM on a monthly basis, approximately BRL 2 million per month, right? We invested BRL 12 million in our data center in that time, right?

In our systems development team nowadays, we have approximately, let's say, 300 people, IT experts working in our technology as a whole, not just systems development, infrastructure as well. Basically, let's say almost 15% of our headcount is working on the technology piece at this point in time. We have been investing in technology. We have been investing in technology approximately BRL 150 million per year, right? The IT cost, it means IT in regards to gross written premium is 2.5%. Just for you to have an idea, 2.5%. The total IT cost, everything including human resources, HR, including infrastructure, telecom costs, everything is approximately 2.5% compared with our gross written premium. That is our key numbers at this point in time.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you very much. This is the second question regarding page 13, dynamic pricing. What kind of data is this based on? How frequently do you change your prices? By changing your prices frequently, does it bring the broker's satisfaction down? Is there any specific customer segment that you focus on, please? Ferrara-san?

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Yes. Are you listening to me? Yes? Yes. Okay. Yes. Are you listening to me?

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

We can hear you.

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Look, in terms of frequency of changing the pricing, especially, let's talk about auto business. That's the one that we change frequently, right? We are in a continental country, right? If you take a look in the Brazilian map, we are 20 times bigger than Japan, just for you to have an idea, right? So let's say the price that we practice in the north of the country could be different of the price that we practice in the south of the country because the experience in terms of claims is totally different, right? And we have some panels in our division of pricing that shows to us how we are performing in each region by each auto model, by year, et cetera. And if necessary, change that at least one per month, one time per month, right?

But if something is not going good, for example, if we see that we are losing, let's say, the renew ratio, if we are reducing that, so we try to keep the renew, modifying the prices or changing the pricing or giving some advantages to the customers in order to keep him working with us. So one of the key metrics is our, let's say, renew ratio, and that shows us how good has been our performance in terms of price fixing. But we change a lot. We have panels of pricing, and we change that frequently, I would say at least once a month. Sometimes three or four times per month. And customers, they are accustomed with that, because this is the way that the entire Brazilian market performs. All the insurance industry, they change their prices as required, as necessary.

And we are getting success in doing that due to the advantages that we have in terms of technology. We just push a button in a click of mouse. We change the price without any complexity of changing prices. So we can do that very easily. But we have no, let's say, problems with brokers in accepting those changes as the time goes by.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you. Let's take one question at a time. Next one is Aberdeen, Oishi-san. Two questions. First one, we understand that TMSR is different with peers on distribution. There's a big difference in the distribution strategy. So how do you evaluate this? Is this differentiation sustainable?

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Let me tell you. In terms of sales distribution, like our competitors, our key competitors, basically almost 100% of our distribution has been made by brokers. Brokers, right? In Brazil, we do not operate with agencies. We do not have agents, right? Just brokers. There are many, I would say that at least 90% comes from brokers and 10% of our distribution has been made by what we call affinity channel or special channels, right?

Special channels for us, it means, let us say, distribution that we do over bancassurance, balcony of banks available to us, and also retail stores. We have very large retail stores where we sell our products, let us say, what we call micro-insurance products on those retail stores. But usually, those retail stores, they have their own captive broker. That is the reason why we say that 100% of our distribution has been made by brokers.

But in a practical way, at least 10% are not a regular market broker, but a captive broker, a broker that belongs to that retail store or to that bank, for example. For example, we distribute the products in a bank, a Spanish-based bank, Santander Bank. We distribute all the business over there. We distribute the agro business over there in Bank Santander, right? The broker is a sort of captive broker that belongs to Bank Santander. It is not a broker that belongs to the market, if you understand what I mean, right? We are, let us say, every time, one of the key challenges for us now here in Brazil is to look for brand new ecosystems for distributing products, right? We see many possibilities to grow in different ways of distributing products, especially on the digital model, using those sales platform available to the market.

Probably we are going to also to close much more deals. We are going to do much more deals with some automakers bank, banks that belongs to automakers and banks that belongs to the producers of agro equipments. We have a very close relationship with those banks that belongs to those automakers, and this is a brand new ecosystems distribution model for us from now on. Okay?

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you. So another one from Oishi-san from Aberdeen. On slide nine, I would like to ask you, regarding the peers at the top, which are losing the share, what is the reason why the peers are losing share? Another type of question is also from Mr. Sakamaki, Mizuho Securities. Regarding the competitive environment, some are losing market share, some are winning market share. But regarding this, I am wondering, which ones are winning and which ones are losing? Could you just explain more on this market share, please, Ferrara-san?

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Let me tell you. Let's say the Brazilian market, especially when you go over the automakers, auto insurance industry. That auto is, let's say, in the entire market represent for our benchmark companies, all those companies that you are seeing in the page nine. They are very strong players in the auto business, right? At least more than 60% of their portfolio mix is auto business. We are 60%. Basically, they are losing market share. Much of them is coming to us. We are growing to that business. Sometimes they are losing to the price, not having a competitive price like us. That's the reality, right? The price quality, combined with the quality of delivering to brokers and customers, make a lot of difference in my country over here. Brokers has a lot of clout, a lot of influence on the client's decision.

If the brokers tells to the customer, "Please, you can buy the product from Tokio Marine because they deliver with quality," it is something invaluable. We have conquer that trust from brokers as the time went by, right? Other companies, they are losing that shine. That's the reality. If you go, for example, on the right corner, you'll see the company over there, it's a Japanese company as well, Sompo. They just sold their business, the auto business to Hannover, HDI, right? Because they are not making money that time. They lost a lot of share. At the end of the day, they decided to sell the auto business and retail business to HDI. The same happens with Liberty as well. That was in a stable market share, as you can see.

Those three companies, Hannover, HDI plus Liberty, plus the retail portion, retail segment of Sompo is under control of HDI at this point in time. Now I'm going to tell you, we are also gaining, let's say, share from that HDI combination with Liberty and Sompo. We are getting, let's say, some policies coming from those companies because they like the quality of Tokio Marine delivery. That's the reality. Tokio Marine has, like I told you, is the fourth largest company operating in Brazil. Also, we are a multi-line product. We are not just auto maker. We have a big multi-line product, more than 60 products. For the broker with a certain customer, sometimes it's better for that broker to concentrate business with Tokio Marine because we are in all line of business, not just auto or just fleet.

For example, for a company, for example. We do property, we do D&O, we do surety, we do fleet, et cetera. One of the beauty of Tokio Marine in Brazil is being a multi-line company, multi-product company, and with a diversified portfolio, more than 60 products, like I mentioned to you. With all the tools for delivering with quality, including the 24-hour systems belong to us. We deliver with quality, and we measure the quality in a daily basis that I mentioned before. That's the reason why we are growing market share and others are losing market share, because they don't have the same strategy of us.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you. Mr. Ferrara talked about the multi-line business that TMSR has. Regarding this, Mr. Niwa from Citigroup has a related question. How are you increasing the types of business lines? When you look at the industry data, we understand that you are top class in auto insurance, but for other ones like P&C or life, it seems like there is much more room for you to expand. What are your initiatives regarding expansion of insurance or business lines other than auto?

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Let's say, when we move, for example, one of the key challenges that we have in place over here is, I would like to have a sort of grow in the life business. Let me give you an example, right? In life business, we have not many, but at least two key insurance company, niche companies like MetLife. Certainly, you are familiar to MetLife and Prudential One. Prudential is a Boston-based company. Life business, it is a sort of products, let's say, being sold by banks. Banks loves to distribute life business because they have the clients on hands, right? We, on the other hand, we use, let's say, specialized brokers that are specialized in life business in order to use those brokers in order to grow our market.

Bancassurance brokers, let's say, when you see the projection of banks, I would affirm you, the biggest portfolio mix is life business. So it's hard to compete against banks. They have the clients on hands. My challenge over here is to have a life business that at least is something like 8%-10% of our portfolio mix as the time goes by. It is difficult to reach that number, but it's something that we want to pursue, to grow in the life business. When we go to commercial lines, for example, Tokio Marine has been one of the first commercial line business in Brazil, right? We are the first one in marine, we are the first one in engineering, we are the first one in the green energy, like I told you during my presentation. We are the first one in D&O and surety.

We still have, let's say, with mega brokers, let's call mega brokers like Marsh, Aon, Willis Towers Watson. Those companies, they have a very strong relationship with us. Tokio Marine is the first insurance companies that buy reinsurance in the Brazilian market because we have a very strong commercial line of business that demands the buy of reinsurance protection. Also we have local and mid-size brokers that has been growing fast. I feel recently a sort of move because many of those, let's say middle-sized brokers, they have been bought by large brokers, and multinational brokers in the market, like Gallagher, like Marsh and Aon. Those multinational brokers, they are, let's say, in order to grow their participation in the Brazilian market, many of them are buying those middle-size Brazilian brokers that we have in the Brazilian market.

What happens is that many of those brokers, let's say they don't have their children, they have no interest in giving a continuation of the brokerage company. They are in a position to be open to, let's say, to sell their brokerage company to other big companies like Gallagher, like Marsh, Aon, and Willis Towers Watson, et cetera. I would like to reinforce that our partnership with those brokers, it is a broker choice. Brokers, they see Tokio Marine, like I told you, as a multi-line company. Many of them, they prefer to keep doing business with us because we have a bunch of portfolio of products to be offered to their clients. Sometimes, let's say, we have what we call a sort of unique vision of the client.

If that client, let's say, they become more loyal to Tokio Marine, the better will be to that client. We call that, let's say, a unique vision by the client or just one vision by the client. The client could be having with us, let's say, property at the same time, a short-term D&O and the fleet of that client. When they concentrate all those line of business, we can, let's say, give a better price for fleet and in order to compensate with property and compensate with short-term D&O. We see the total revenue coming from that customer, if you understand what I mean. That makes difference in the Brazilian market. Being a multi-line company allow us to do that.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you. We have so many more questions. We would probably use up all of the rest of our time up until 10:30. Thank you very much for bearing with us. We have from Mr. Hanaoka from JP Morgan, several questions. We understand that you are able to price very competitively, but in terms of the administrative expense ratio on page 11, 8.5% compared to peers, you are double score, triple score, extremely good. We again, want to ask you why you're able to achieve this. We understand that you have insourced your system, but can you please give us more details? Regarding the other peers, why is it that they cannot just copy TMSR?

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Let me go to administrative expense with 8.5%. By the way, in first semester of 2024, that number drops to 7.8%. It is something that we have an excellent control of those expenses. We prefer to raise the productivity of each employee using a good automation process instead of having people to handle process. For example, if you go to auto business, basically nobody puts their hands on the auto business. There is no manual activity for issuing a policy. 100% of policy for the retail market, including homeowners, auto, and condominium, those kind of business, and let's say SME property, SME property, nobody puts hands over there. It's 100% automate the entire underwriting process. We give priority to automate the process and using also sometimes AI technology that I talk a little bit in some slides.

In the claims department, for example, we use AI technology to decide, if it is something that is necessary to decline the risk, that claims or to go forward to the court with that situation. AI also help us to have a good decision. We have a positive cycle containing premium, IT, and personal costs. The premium goes up, as you can see. When the premium goes up and keeping the same HR, remember that I told you that in the last 12 years, we just grow 60% in terms of our HR and the gross written premium has grown 633%. A big difference.

That is due to the raising of productivity by each employee, and the raise of that productivity, it is, 100% based on training of those employees and technology that we put in place of our process. That is the key of our success over here.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Mr. Sakamaki from Mizuho and Mr. Hanaoka from JP Morgan has given us very similar questions regarding the wonderful IT system that you have. As you know, Tokio Marine Holdings is very much focused on synergy. Thinking about the best efficiency of TMSR, we are wondering how we can show synergy to other group companies under the Tokio Marine Holdings. What kind of synergy are you receiving from other group companies under the holdings? If you have any examples or best practices, let us know.

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

Yes. Let me tell you. On page 16, I guess, 16, I talked about the DataRobot. No, page 16 or the page that you were showing. Page 18. Sorry. Page 18. As you can see, we have an iStand committee. iStand committee, it is a sort of a committee formed by several departments over here. We have more than, 18 departments on the iStand committee, and all of them with at least one expert in AI work in that department. Instead of IT department, in the department, I put the expert of AI in each department. Getting, that expert running in that department, we can, get a lot of advantages of that. Let me give you an example. For example, when claims notice comes in.

And let's say when that claims, we decided to, let's say, in a technical way, we decided to decline that claims, right? We made a consult in our AI technology to see if the decline of that claims will give us any chance of that customers goes to the court, right? And we prefer to do a good deal with that customer instead of going to the court. Our expenses regarding that is much lower than going to the court. And why I say to the court? Because in terms of AI, we got to know using AI technology, what is the behavior of all the courts that we have in our country over here. We have thousands of courts over here, and we know exactly which one is more favorable to the insurance industry or is more favorable to the client, to the final customers.

TMSR, I would say, in terms of initiatives for group synergies, TMSR has been contributing to Tokio Marine Group synergies by sharing proactively its knowledge and expertise of IT, process, and products with our group company since 2013. We have received innumerous visitors of people from Tokio Marine Holdings and group companies like Mexico, Hawaii, Malaysia, South Africa, et cetera, to learn about our operations, and we share it, all documents, and information they need. Recently, for example, in terms of auto pricing, I give you a real example. If you go to Malaysia, they stayed with us at least for one month to learn how we price in the Brazilian market and Malaysia operation has used our pricing model over here to replicate that model in Malaysia where they are one of the great producer of auto business over there.

That kind of synergy is something that as the time goes by, we are even raising that bar of sharing expertise. Nowadays, for example, I've been talking with my fellows from HCC as well. They are expert in agro business over there as well. So, we have chances also to learn with them and we are doing that. So that kind of exchange we have been doing a lot over here. That's the beauty of being a multinational or global company. That's the beauty, right? We have advantages from the national Brazilian companies that they don't have that advantage that we have over here. And let's take the advantage of that. Let's take the opportunity to keep growing in a sustainable growth. That's what we are doing over here.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you. So in the interest of time, we would like to take one last question, and that is from [MVIC], Mr. [Okajima]. We'd like to talk to page 22. On page 22, you have the KPI regarding customers. So customer satisfaction KPI. You said you have 18 that you measure every day. So what are the specific contents of this? Let us know.

José Adalberto Ferrara
CEO, Tokio Marine Seguradora

On the page 18, I said these 18 KPIs, let me give you real examples. From every day at zero hours of the day until 24 hours, we send a SMS to the customer, and we ask him to answer to us, just send a SMS back to us, what is the rate from zero to 10 regarding how much they are satisfied with the services that was done. For example, suppose that we just conclude a car repair shop, okay? When the customers get his car back, I got to know that he just got his car back from the repair shop, and I send an SMS to him, "Please, how satisfied are you with the services being done by Tokio Marine car repair shop?" And he give us that message. When he receive that message, we use the Net Promoter Score.

The concept of Net Promoter Score, when we receive grades from eight, nine, and 10, they are promoting our brand, right? When we receive grades from six to seven, let's say they are not promoting our brand, and one to six they are, let's say, not promoting the brand. We have during the claims closure, we do that survey with the customer. In our call center, as soon as the customer just finish a call center, we ask, "Please, could you answer, how satisfied are you with the services that I just did for you?" Also in our 24-hour service, remember that I told you that we internalize that, and one of the beauty of internalizing that function is that we put in place that survey as soon as we conclude that service, right?

When a tow truck goes to get a car, for example, as soon as that tow truck get the address where the customer is, that trucker driver needs to tell us what is the plate number of that car. When he send to us the plate number, I know exactly what is the time frame, the timestamp that truck driver got the address of that customer. Then I measure also if it was possible to get less than 50 minutes to attend to that customer. Those kind of services, using the claims handling, using the 24-hour assistance. We're using the quality being delivered by the care car repair shop or the house repair shop. When a homeowner ask us to do a services, for example, any damage on the electric of the electrification of that house, we send a technician as well.

We ask for that customer how satisfied he's in with that service. We do that every day for more than 10 years. If you're asking me, what is the, let's say, the number of satisfaction that we had 10 years ago, I'm going to tell you exactly by line of products. Every year we are, let's say, putting new services and we are improving also those KPIs. Those KPIs is part of our customer satisfaction evaluation of all the employees. It's part of our, what we call, profit share with our company, with our 2,400 employees. All the employees, they have a participation on the quality of services being perceived by the customer. The number being perceived by the customers has been getting from those 18 KPIs.

All the employees are very committed with the quality of services, as well because it is part of their profit share or their bonus participation in the company as well, if I can be in a clear voice to you. Okay.

Taizo Ishiguro
Managing Executive Officer and Head of Global Communications Department, Tokio Marine Holdings

Thank you very much. We understand how TMSR has wonderful culture and passion. Thank you very much for that. With this, we would like to close today's Tokio Marine Insights. If there are any questions that we could not address today, our team will make sure we address them later on. If you have any comments or opinions about today's presentation or topics you would like Tokio Marine Insights to cover in the future, please feel free to share them with us by typing them in the chat box at the bottom of the screen. Thank you again for your participation.