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Earnings Call: Q4 2024

Mar 20, 2025

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the publication of the full year 2024 results conference call. I'm Sajan, the Chorus Call operator. I'd like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and then one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Mr. Haider, CEO. Please go ahead.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Thank you very much, and good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. A very warm welcome from Vienna to our full year 2024 result presentation. Thank you for joining us, and as always, we are very grateful for your time and interest in our company of Semperit. On this occasion, I'm in the call with our designated new CEO, Manfred Stanek, sitting left to me, and our CFO, Helmut Sorger, who, as usual, will take you through the financial results in some minutes. Manfred, who joined us at the beginning of March, three weeks ago, will first say some introductory words before I continue with the operational highlights. Helmut will finish with a brief market outlook for both divisions and the guidance for 2025. Afterwards, we are available for your questions and answers. Let me hand over to Manfred for a short personal introduction. Please, Manfred.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Thank you very much, Karl. Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, I would like to wish you all a pleasant afternoon. I'm pleased to have this first opportunity to introduce myself. I have now been a member of the Semperit Management Board for about three weeks, and in that short time, I have already gained a very positive first impression of the strength of our business model, the operational excellence at the manufacturing sites, which I have visited so far, and the commitment of all our Semperit employees. I would like to give you a brief overview of my professional background. I began my career in the mid-1990s in business consulting. Over the years, I have worked in the mining industry, the metal recycling industry, and the downstream aluminum industry.

I spent more than a decade in these fields, primarily in the Americas, specifically in the United States and in Brazil. Most recently, I served as a division CEO and executive board member of a company headquartered in Austria, focused on rigid plastic packaging solutions and the medical technology. I would also like to say a brief word why I decided to join Semperit. First of all, Semperit is a company with a solid balance sheet and a strong profitability, as you will see today. Thanks to the strategic steps which we have taken in recent years, in particular the focus on industrial elastomers and the comprehensive coverage of the entire value chain in liquid silicone, we are competitively positioned for the future.

I am excited by the strategic challenge of building on those strong foundations to drive our growth further and return the group to revenues exceeding EUR 1 billion as soon as possible. This was one of the key reasons why I chose to join Semperit. I would now like to hand back to Karl for the details of the 2024 financial year.

Karl.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Thank you very much, Manfred, and it is a pleasure for me that you are succeeding my role and very welcome to Semperit. I continue at slide three, and as this is my last analyst call as CEO of Semperit, let me summarize some of the major milestones over the last three years. In this context, let me also thank you all for your interesting questions over the years of the period and all your support. Let's take a brief look back to early 2022. At this time, key was focusing for the organization, notably through the development of Semperit and strengthening our core competence in industrial elastomer and in our core technologies. With this sale, Semperit has fully withdrawn from the glove business, and we are focusing 100% on implementing our strategy as a specialist for elastomer products for industrial customers and applications.

In 2023, we realigned our group and formed two powerful divisions, SIA and SEA, combining the respective strengths of our business with a special focus on growth and operating leverage. With the acquisition of RICO, we added a new strategic pillar for engineered technology in niche markets. On the back of this realigned strategy, we expanded our investments at DH5 in Odry and Thalheim and are now set up for strong organic growth as soon as the market recovery kicks in. The Semperit group stands on a more solid foundation than ever and serves a strong platform to further strengthen our market position. Let's turn the page and the highlight to the financial result of 2024, which is perhaps best summarized in one sentence: that we promised and we delivered and we overdelivered.

Throughout the year, we consistently guided on EBITDA of EUR 80 million, and we can report now a 21.1% year-on-year increase to EUR 84.9 million, with a margin improvement by 2.3 percentage points to 12.5% in 2024. Further down the pillar, we managed to turn around earnings after tax from a loss of EUR 17 million in 2023 to a positive of EUR 11.5 million in 2024. Our focus on profitable growth, strong cash flow, and stringent working capital management resulted in our free cash flow generation almost doubling to EUR 45.8 million in 2024, which gives us high flexibility for our growth investments. At the same time, we can reward our shareholders with an attractive dividend, which we propose at the same level as the previous year, EUR 0.50 per share.

The next slide might be familiar to you, but is a reminder how our strategic positioning has evolved over the last years, with a growth platform in place when market recovers, providing us with operating leverage and scale effects in the future. What I would like to remember is that we have two divisions in place which complement each other in operational and strategic terms. One with most leadership in mind to drive volume growth, Semperit Industrial Applications, and the other one with a cutting-edge know-how in engineered technology, Semperit Engineered Applications, with a particular focus on attractive niche markets. The common basis for this is our 200 years' experience in rubber components and innovation solution and mixing.

Turning the page, you see evidence for this in the numbers as Semperit Industrial Applications managed to strengthen its share of EBITDA in comparative terms despite a lower top line, showing our effort for cost reduction and higher efficiency in this division. In turn, Semperit Engineered Applications achieved top-line growth, primarily due to the full-year consolidation of RICO, shifting its shares of total revenue to 57% of group sale in 2024. SEA still faces subdued demand in some businesses and price pressure, which explains the lower EBITDA share at a year-on-year comparison. Let me now go into greater divisional details, starting with industrial application at slide seven. Here, sales were down by 11% year-on-year, given low volumes and product mix. Our cost reduction effort and operational improvements resulted in an 11% increased EBITDA, with margins being up by 3.6 percentage points to the spectacle 17.8%.

Among the business units, the order intake at Hoses is still at low levels, stabilized during the year, supported by share-of-wallet wins. In turn, Profile business continues to be impacted by the reconstruction industry, but our cost efficiency efforts show up in the results. Going forward, we hope that a new infrastructure program announced by the incoming German coalition government will help the construction industry to recover. This means the market challenges continue over the short period of time. Let's go to the next slide, where you see the Semperit Engineered Applications were up by 9% year-on-year as revenue, but EBITDA declined by 5% due to subdued demand, price pressure, and product mix.

RICO had the first full-year contribution with sales of EUR 94.6 million and EUR 16 million in operating EBITDA, which could not quite offset the impact of projects in Belting being postponed, facing competition from Asia and a shift to lighter belts. In turn, Form had mixed results, with handrails, transport, and mountain application achieving better profitability against the backdrop of demand in industry and construction remaining weak.

Let me finish the operational highlights by presenting some new innovative products, which have not only a wide range of applications but also support our growth pipeline. In our form business, we developed molded heavy-duty rubber metal parts for the mining application. Remember, the mining starts with digging out the stones, goes into crusher, and then other mills, and it is vertical tower mills and steel mills for fine or even ultra-fine grinded processes, as example for copper, iron, or gold, or lithium.

This is one of the heaviest parts produced in compression molding in our Wimpassing plant in Austria, supporting the green energy transition by optimizing mining experiences. We recently also developed hybrid handrails, which combine the best properties and performance of rubber and polymer technology by offering advanced rubber performance with a polyurethane surface appearance. This results in a durable and shiny product, which is particularly in demand in Asia. Production has started at the end of last year, and we are in the process of ramping up in 2025 this product. Our third example is of high-quality track belts for snow vehicles, which offer exceptional durability, superior traction, and easy installation, tested and approved under extreme conditions in top ski resorts worldwide.

Finally, as operations go hand in hand with sustainability, I would like to update you on page 10 about the implementation of our ESG targets set for 2030, as we publish this year our first integrated report, following sustainability reports over the seven prior years. Slide 10 summarizes the main defined targets, distinguished by different colors for the environment, between energy, waste, and emission, social, between incident rates and diversity and inclusion, and governance for supply chain. I am very pleased to report that we have made good progress in all except the energy target in 2024, with some substantial improvement in waste and incidence rate over the year. Given lower production volume in 2024, we had proportionally a higher usage of our, let's say, base energy costs. Therefore, we have not achieved our energy target 2024.

With this, I have come to the end of my part and hand over to Helmut for the financials of the Semperit company.

Helmut Sorger
CFO, Semperit

Hi everyone. Before we get into the nitty-gritty of the balance sheet, permit me to start with a personal note. I would really thank you, Karl, for your dedicated leadership, for your passion, and for your spirited insights into Semperit that you've been sharing with all of us on these calls, and also for your leadership of Semperit on behalf of 4,000 colleagues.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Thank you very much, Helmut. Thank you.

Helmut Sorger
CFO, Semperit

Now, welcome, Manfred.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Thank you.

Helmut Sorger
CFO, Semperit

The stage is set for you. The stage is also set for the financial highlights.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Thank you.

Helmut Sorger
CFO, Semperit

You're familiar with slide 11. It started out as the CFO work program. Now it's our continued mode of operations, and I use this slide also to shed some light on what happened in 2024. Market-wise, it was not an easy year. It was rather difficult. We started out into the year in the second year of our cost reduction program, which was necessary and led to efficiency enhancements, operating leverage, and also streamlining the business by taking more than EUR 80 million out of our fixed cost base, EUR 12.4 million of those attributable to the year 2024. We not only focused on cost management, but also put some focus on free cash flow and cash generation. Actually, it's the third year in a row that we do this.

As many of you can tell, it gets harder from year to year, resulting in EUR 45.8 million free cash flow and cash reserves of EUR 126 million. We reduced net debt to EUR 103 million, which equates to about 1.2 times EBITDA at the end of 2024. If we do cost management programs for a prolonged time, it becomes part of our corporate DNA, and I think this has happened for Semperit, so we have it well in all of our processes. We will certainly continue to be very vigilant about overheads. If you want to achieve operating leverage, we need to be vigilant about overheads because cost introduces itself if you do not pay too close attention.

I'm also very glad to announce that we are going to propose to the AGM a dividend of EUR 0.50 per share to let our shareholders participate in the good liquidity situation and cash flow situation of Semperit. On the final topic of this slide, one which is very close to my heart, I want to elaborate a little bit more. It's our digital transformation. We've started the digital transformation through several smaller projects with a quick payback that I've talked about in the recent quarters. Now, we kicked off the second stage, which is the implementation stage of our OneERP project, which means we've decided in December to go with the SAP S/4HANA public cloud edition and will be amongst the spearheads, the pioneers in industry, large industrial groups who are going to do so.

It's a project that will be with us until 2028, when the plan is to have the last plant online with this new system. It also means something for our EBITDA and the way we report expenses because S/4 public cloud edition is a software as a service, so it means that development costs for this cannot be capitalized according to IAS 38, but have to be expensed in the year incurred. We are going forward providing you with an operating EBITDA before project expenses, and the difference is going to be expenses for a OneERP project just to ensure comparability. Over the page, we provide a summary of our main financials in comparison to the previous year. We have included, as I just mentioned, the operational EBITDA. EUR 1.4 million were project costs for this digitalization project in 2024, but it is going to be more in 2025.

Our revenues effectively flat on last year. We're going to talk about it a little bit more in the bridge. We lost volumes due to the general market environment. We had a positive impact from a full-year contribution of RICO, but we're very glad to report an increase in EBITDA of more than 20%. Also, we were able to move Semperit back into the earnings after tax positive into a profitable position with earnings after tax of EUR 11.5 million. Karl has already mentioned a very respectable free cash flow of EUR 45.8 million. On top of this, our EUR 6.6 million cash in from the sale of the medical business part two. Turning the page, we're plotting the last 12 months' industrial revenues against the operating EBITDA margin. This continues the trend from previous quarters, both in top-line pressure but also improving margins.

What we also did is, for your reference, we entered a dotted line, which is basically to signify the effect of our cost improvement program, which I think is quite respectable if you look at it in terms of margin. With this in mind, we will continue to focus on these factors, particularly those that are under management control, which is working capital, cost, and a focus on our strategic growth investments. When looking at the EBITDA average on slide 14, both price and product mix, as well as volume effect, had significant downward impact year on year, which was essentially offset through our cost savings and the contribution from RICO.

Under the relevant columns for the cost items, we've detailed the sequence of our cost reduction program since it's been initiated with an original target of EUR 10 million in 2023, achieving savings of EUR 12.6 million in 2024 alone, adding up to EUR 18.4 million in total. As I've already outlined, EUR 1.5 million were project costs for a OneERP project to distinguish going forward between reported and operating EBITDA, which we'll have to continue to do until 2028, when finally the last plant of Semperit will be on OneERP. On slide 15, you will find our development of trade working capital. I think if we talk about free cash flow, we need to only talk about profitability and a better cost structure, but also a focus on lowering inventories, being very vigilant with our trade receivables.

I think it's now the second year in a row where we have significantly reduced our trade working capital, which also makes room for what we hope for is a return in the markets where we need to purchase raw materials again in order to be able to produce. The bridge chart for year-on-year net debt development on the next slide shows the main moving parts that generated the free cash flow, which is more than covering our growth projects as well as dividend project. We also repaid debt of EUR 10 million in the last year.

This important development is further substantiated on slide 17, where we present major balance sheet items in the financial Profile. As of end 2024, we had the cash position of EUR 126 million, a lower net debt EBITDA ratio of 1.2 compared with 1.6 a year ago, and a higher equity ratio of 47.2%.

In terms of financial liabilities, I would like to highlight the 3% year-on-year increase due to the financing of the capacity expansion of DH5 in Odry, while at the same time we repaid debt. In addition, as an example for our continued efforts to restructure financial debt, we also used the swap to convert variable into fixed interest rates during that period because we are going to repay a private bond mid-2025, which was, of course, carrying a fixed interest rate. Over the page, I finished the financial section of the presentation with our capital allocation policy and the priorities for the usage of cash. You're familiar with our distinction between maintenance and growth CapEx, with the former also including smaller growth projects to enhance our industrial base.

In turn, our growth CapEx provides investments for strategic projects such as the hydraulic hose production at Odry in the Czech Republic and capacity expansion at our RICO site in Thalheim, Upper Austria. In the latter, we also include digitalization projects adding up to EUR 29.5 million compared to EUR 35.1 million maintenance CapEx in 2024. In addition, we remain open for opportunistic bolt-on acquisitions, which provide the strategic fit and compelling investment proposition. This is something where we keep a rigorous screening process and pursue regional product and technology opportunity. Let me add, first and foremost, it needs to be very attractive financially, so we're talking multiples that are dirt cheap. Finally, our commitment to shareholder returns in form of dividends, we reiterated today by proposing EUR 0.50 dividend per share for the 2024 financial year, which is at the same rate as the previous year.

Let me turn to the outlook for 2025 on slide 19. Some information we've already given through our guidance in a press release earlier. The commodity-driven industrial application continues to face a cyclical downturn largely due to weak demand in the construction and yellow goods industries, here notably in construction and agriculture. As Karl mentioned, we hope that the new infrastructure program of the incoming German government will provide some impetus. In turn, engineered application operates in diversified markets with different dynamics, and its focus on technology and industry solutions, whether mountain applications, mobility, or healthcare, helps to be more resilient and stable despite some renewed price threshold. Overall, we continue to have currently a good visibility for the first half of 2025, facing ongoing challenging market environments. For the second half of the year, we see the potential for recovery to start in the individual regions and markets.

With this in mind, we expect the o perational EBITDA in the range between EUR 70 million and EUR 90 million, strongly depending on the market recovery dynamics and the timing of the market recovery. CapEx should reach around EUR 60 million in 2025, split between EUR 40 million for maintenance and smaller automation projects and EUR 20 million for strategic growth projects. From today's perspective, I can also confirm our operating EBITDA target of EUR 120 million in 2026, provided we get sufficient support from the market recovery in 2025.

Finally, before we finish the presentation, let me just recall our five investment propositions of our equity story, which comprise leading market positions, innovation, a resilient business model, and I think what we've proven well in 2024, our cash generation capacity. This in all should lead to a value play with recalibrated growth for Semperit. We're now available for any questions you might have. Operator.

Operator

Yes, we start. Yes, I'm sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and then one on the telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Questioners on the phone are requested to disable the loudspeaker mode while asking a question. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question comes from the line of Markus from Oddo BHF. Please go ahead.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Yeah, good afternoon, gents. I would have a question related to the ERP spending. If you could shed some light on the expected trajectory beyond 2025, what should we expect in terms of P&L effective costs? Of course, there should be a payback to those charges. Maybe you can also outline the benefits and to which extent you expect the benefit then to your cost base.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Thank you, Markus. The question, it's a very good question. At the moment, we have 23 different ERP systems, 23 systems which are installed on-premise, which have IT folks and third-party support making sure that they work. The payback of software as a service is clearly you don't have IT infrastructure for the ERP system. It's provided as part of the service. If we're talking about the payback, it will be a significant one that I'm not going to quantify right now. What are the costs for it? EUR 1.5 million were the costs for the initial stage template design. We now entered into the stage two where we basically create the global template in 2025, and we'll have the first roll-ins, the first companies moving to the new system this year.

We will have parallel infrastructure until 2028, but we will phase out the old systems and bring more and more companies online with a new system. Expected expenses for 2025 are EUR 5 million, and I think this is a run rate we can expect depending on how many roll-ins we do each year, also for the years until 2028. What I can say is we are eager to learn, and we are fast learners. We have a third-party consultant who is not on this call, I hope. What we are certainly going to do is look over our consultant's shoulders and learn and internalize knowledge. You will hear this from a lot of companies. We are now reporting operating EBITDA, and somehow this is when the CFO lacks fantasy, then we start, or the company lacks performance, then we start adjusting EBITDA.

I think this is something that we need to be prepared for with a lot of companies who will move on SAP public cloud because it's just expenses that used to be in intangible assets, used to be capitalized. Now it's a different way of looking at it. But it's still for us a cash-out, and we look at it as a project with a payback. I hope that answers your question.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Yes, thank you. This is very comprehensive. Including 2028, roughly EUR 5 million with a quick payback.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Every year.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Every year.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. Yeah.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Okay. A question which arises probably in many calls these days. U.S. tariffs are quite a dominant topic. Can you help us with the share of U.S. imports or, from your perspective, exports into the U.S. that are derived from non-U.S. sites? What is kind of the export?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. U.S. sales are about 17% of group sales. We have local production there for Simtec, which is a RICO company with high-end liquid silicone parts that mainly go into the medical industry. High-margin products, good products, locally manufactured, so not impacted by any tariffs. We have, of course, belts going into the U.S., heavy belts for the mining industry, to our knowledge, not impacted by any elevated tariffs. We have handrails going into the U.S. mainly from Europe, not impacted by any of the elevated taxes. Our main competitor is in Canada, impacted by taxes and tariffs. We have products for the railway industry going into the U.S., not impacted by taxes, but we envision local production anyway because public projects in the U.S. have to be made in America. We are certainly planning to do that as soon as we are awarded contracts.

Markus, you know we have a manufacturing site there, so we will certainly move these products locally. And we're not in the gloves business anymore, which would have been heavily impacted by tariffs. Anything I missed, Karl?

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Yeah.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

It is a balanced view, as we have said with the Q3 call. At that time, I think we said either way, we can live with it. Now, uncertainty, of course, is in the system, and we will see how the tariff policies of the Trump administrations are going to stabilize.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Okay. A question related to the material cost development. I mean, you can see also looking at the quarterly development that kind of the material expense ratio has come down nicely, especially then also in the fourth quarter, which is a moderate growth and material costs down 8% year on year. Can you maybe help us understand in which parts of the business or segments there was the biggest benefit?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. I would say there is not, let's say, one particular. It is across the business in SBR, in EPDM, all this came down. Therefore, there is not really one particular that you say, "It is this raw material for this application or this product." Yeah. We had the fixed price contract on silicone, some discounts due to volumes that impact, but that is not the big things. I think with rubber, it is across the board, and silicone prices were pretty stable, I would say. They were not downward and not a little bit downward.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Okay. Final question at this stage would relate to your corporate segment. Is there any kind of cost that you can guide us for now going onwards in the new kind of corporate setup? It was like the sustainable EBITDA. I mean, it has come down over the quarters, actually. Now, Q4 was a rather minor amount. It is like EUR 10 million-EUR 12 million. Would that be reasonable?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yes. I mean, we're at about EUR 12 million right now, so EUR 1 million less is certainly still possible. It will be challenging since after EUR 18.4 million in cost savings over the last one and a half years, we've already cut deep into it, and we don't have such a huge corporate structure, to be honest. We're essentially quite lean. We expect savings from digitalization going forward, but this will take a little bit of time. Our commitment still is to get as lean as possible. EUR 10 million or below, but this is something I cannot guide at the moment. EUR 11 million is possible.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

Okay. I'll take that. Another kind of bookkeeping question, which I think given the history of the recent years, which is a bit tough to assess, what's like the corporate tax rate for our models that we can pencil in.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

You're better off using 25% because we go from 0 to 40%. This is the impact of the deferred taxes because in the countries where we are profitable, I mean, the main manufacturing site, Czech Republic, Poland, China, we are paying taxes, but we have tax loss carry forwards in the Austrian tax group. RICO is part of the Austrian tax group as well. We have about EUR 140 million in non-capitalized, non-activated tax loss carry forwards. This will be somehow affected, to bear in mind, in the Austrian tax group and the effective corporate tax rate.

Markus Remis
Analyst, Oddo BHF

All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Daniel Mark Hamilton from Warburg Research. Please go ahead.

Daniel Hamilton
Analyst, Warburg Research

Yes, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions as well. First one would be on the revenue line you're expecting this year. I think you alluded already on, let's say, the difficult market and challenging market developments and presumably a better second half year. On the other hand, I think we could already see that in Q4, the top line was up first time on a 12-month rolling basis for the first time since the first quarter of 2023. If you could confirm that you expect, let's say, the top line being, let's say, more below the previous year's level in the first half and then catching up in the second, or should we expect the first half year already on last year's level? That would be my first question.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. Top line in the first quarter won't be too nice. I mean, we've already guided that first quarter results will be probably 50% lower than last year's. That's due to delays in certain projects, shifts in demands, and ongoing difficult market conditions. At the moment, we don't see the big volume increases. We have pretty good visibility for the first half of the year. Order book's doing somewhat an uptick, but it's still too early to tell that we're going to have the big impact on revenue growth. For the second half, as we said in the outlook, we see potentials there. We expect it to be overall higher than last year's. Focus for us is the profitability of the products. We look at it from the cash flow return, EBITDA return perspective. Of course, mix is a key element to it.

In the commodity business, performance commodity business, it's somehow easier to forecast. In the tempered engineered applications, it's tougher because we're talking about high-end project applications with relatively high margins. Focus is on EBITDA, whatever it takes revenue-wise. 700+ should be the case.

Daniel Hamilton
Analyst, Warburg Research

Second question would be on the, let's say, return of the company to more than EUR 1 billion in revenues from where we are right now, let's say around EUR 700 million. Basically, give us some expectation from your side on how much of that you would expect from, let's say, some kind of organic growth with new products and new customers and significant recovery, and how much M&A and things you already alluded on, I think the valuation you would like to see there in both on acquisitions being dirt cheap, but perhaps you could also give us some indication regarding the size of companies, sectors you are looking at, and perhaps also regions which would be in focus in this regard.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

I would really focus on organic growth right now because the dirt cheap targets are not so easy to find until you get the lucky punch with a succession like we had with RICO, or it is restructuring cases. We do not shy away from restructuring cases because we certainly have the industrial expertise, the expertise in back office, in finance, customer service to onboard businesses which are probably a little bit struggling at the moment. You are well aware of our valuation in the stock market right now. An acquisition has to be value accretive. You can just calculate very easily what multiples they have to go by. Focus is on organic growth. If we talk about EUR 120 million EBITDA we want to attain, the number of revenue euros should be around EUR 900 million, probably a little bit less with higher profitable business.

If you say half of it is coming from a market recovery and the other half is coming from new PMCs that Karl can explain much better than I can, I think this is a sound case. For 2027-2028, the billion is within reach. I hear Manfred, he is very committed to get there as early as possible.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Maybe if I add a couple of information. PMCs, I introduced into three PMCs. Hybrid handrail, as an example, it's a very interesting, good product with two combinations of properties, and the Asian countries love this product. Means nice expectation for this. Then in new, let's say, mining field, is it further filtration membranes, which are necessary there to do the higher regulations in ESG, or is it in what I described before in the mills, new interesting applications, or track belt, or even we have, let's say, small chips, sensors, which can be vulcanized into rubber and gives you property information about the product, the Rubber Tag . We are working on all these fields, and there's a really nice prospect to get more revenue out of that. I would like to add on Helmut's thing.

I would say we are ready for harvesting on, for example, is it DH5 in Odry? It's ready to be used when the demand or the market is increasing. Or RICO is ready to be used, the buildings, what we bought with RICO, to fill with machines for new healthcare application or mobility. From that point of view, many things are prepared that this journey to 1 billion can be done, as Helmut said, as soon as possible.

Daniel Hamilton
Analyst, Warburg Research

Okay. Thank you very much. Last question would be on the working capital ratio, which I think is very nicely between 15% and 16%, with, I think, pretty much factoring unchanged compared to when inventory metric, right, was at the end of the third quarter. Basically, give us some indication what you would see as kind of a, let's say, sustainable working capital ratio. Should we think about, let's say, this 15%-16% with about, let's say, EUR 20 million in terms of, let's say, not even EUR 20 million, but EUR 15 million-EUR 20 million in factoring, as I say, a reasonable assumption also for the years ahead?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. We were able to lower factoring, actually, towards the end of the year. We had EUR 16.8 million in receivables sold at the end of 2024. Fifteen point two percent, I think, for our industry is about as good as it gets. To hold this level will be extremely challenging. You will appreciate when markets return, knocking on wood, if they return very late in the year 2025, we will have not a lot of revenue impact, but a lot of working capital impact. What we are certainly trying to do throughout 2025 is make and keep room for growth, meaning raw materials, high inventories. Going forward, our target was to be below 20%. I think staying below 17%-18% is what we can realistically aspire for without using excessive amounts of factoring. We still have potentials there. I hope that answers your question.

Daniel Hamilton
Analyst, Warburg Research

Yep. Thank you.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

The next question comes in line of Christian Obst from Baader Bank. Please go ahead.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Thank you and good afternoon. First, I have a question concerning CapEx. You mentioned that strategic growth projects will account for approximately EUR 20 million this year. In Odry and for RICO, you have enough capacity, I think, for demand catching up, especially when nothing is catching up so far. What are you spending the EUR 20 million CapEx for? Thank you.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. One element is certainly the expansion in RICO. We have a rented site in Florida. We were able to sign the option. It is basically a rented hall, two parts. We have one part rented. Mid-year 2024, we signed the option to also rent the second part of it in order to expand. In the US, the name of the company there is Simtec, highly specialized in the medical device industry, medical components, high-end, very complicated silicone parts. That industry is really taking off. We are talking about components. I hope we can mention it. It is for insulin pumps, devices that are in high demand. We are producing to several manufacturers, and we see growth. Of course, we need space to put the machinery in there.

The thing is, some of the projects are delayed because the parts are extremely hard to manufacture, and also our customers have a hard time getting their parts in a row. It is not like the demand is not there, but we have to catch up with the production and really get up to speed there. This is part of the strategic growth investments. Odry and automation projects are the other part. Yeah.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Okay. One last example. We have offered for big railway projects in the U.S., some rubber parts on the tracks. If this is materialized, we need to install some equipment in the U.S., but it's depending if we are awarded with this project.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. Injection molding machinery that we'll have to get on the ground to have the Made in America stamp on it.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Okay. Depending on the contract to come or not.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. We are not going to invest to hope.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Okay. Thank you very much. Just for clarification, as our financial liabilities increase from approximately EUR 9 million to EUR 44 million, can you really remind me, is this for the mid-term repayment, or what is this increase about?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. The short-term liabilities are the private bond, the Schuldscheindarlehen that moved from long-term into short-term. And we have to repay.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Yeah. Would you pay back mid-year?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Mid-year. Yes, sir.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Okay. Thank you. The next one is on I was a little bit surprised because the return on capital employed is 30% of your long-term LTI. I do not find it in a presentation or even in your report. Can you remind us of the figures maybe? How much of capital employed, or how much does it move from 2023 to 2024? What is your target there?

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

The return on capital employed at the moment is at 3.8%. It's a figure that we've probably forgotten to publish. It's in the remuneration report. I'm sorry. We can send it to you. The target is clearly to be as quickly as possible above the cost of capital. Our long-term target here is 12%.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Okay. Yeah. Say that again. I was a little bit surprised that it is either in the presentation or in the report I have seen so far. Okay.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yeah. It's basically the capital employed, return on capital employed is in the long-term, I'm with you, a very important figure. Our focus, I hope we made that point, is clearly on cash generation, increasing the cash flow, free cash flow, reducing working capital, which reduces capital employed as well. Basically be very, very vigilant where we invest. This all helps for the ROCE, and we will certainly go back to reporting the ROCE on a regular basis.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

Yeah. That's the problem with the analyst is that he always asks the questions. In some cases, you do not like that much. Of course, it was very impressive when you see that inventories went down by approximately 23% with sales going only down by 6% on a reported basis. This is what I'm looking at. You mentioned, and if I got you right, there's a question from Mr. Hamilton before that this is some kind of a very low point. If really markets start to improve, demand starts to improve, which you currently do not see that much, then we have to calculate with an increase in working capital, of course.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Yes. Yeah. We will have a watch on that.

Christian Obst
Analyst, Baader Bank

You can finance that. You can finance that without any problem, of course. Okay. Thank you very much. These were my questions.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and the one on your telephone. There are no more questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Haider for any closing remarks.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

Thank you very much for listening and asking the right questions, and for all the interest in the last years of the company, Semperit. I would like to hand over my stick to Manfred. Yeah.

Manfred Stanek
CEO, Semperit

Thank you, Karl. This is my first call, and the next one I will do without you. Yeah. Thank you very much for your dedication. Also, thank you very much for the smooth handover, which I think was a good sign also to all the employees at Semperit, how a handover from one CEO to another should be done. Thank you very much.

Karl Haider
Outgoing CEO, Semperit

I'm glad that our foundation is built where Manfred can, let's say, create the seventh, eighth, and ninth floor of the big houses. Thank you very much, and all the best.

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