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Earnings Call: Q1 2019

May 24, 2018

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first quarter FY 2019 Autodesk earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, you may press star then zero on your touch-tone telephone to speak with an operator. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. David Gennarelli, investor relations at Autodesk. Sir, you may begin.

David Gennarelli
VP of Investor Relations, Autodesk

Thanks, operator. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining our conference call to discuss the results of our first quarter of FY 2019. On the line today is Andrew Anagnost, our CEO, and Scott Herren, our CFO. Today's conference call is being broadcast live via webcast. In addition, a replay of the call will be available at autodesk.com/investor. As noted in our press release, we have published our prepared remarks on our website in advance of this call. Those remarks are intended to serve in place of extended formal comments, and we will not repeat them on this call.

During the course of this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding the future events and the anticipated future performance of the company, such as our guidance for the second quarter and full year FY 2019, our long-term financial model guidance, our cash flow expectations, the factors we use to estimate our guidance, including assumptions around ASC 606, our maintenance-to-subscription transition, ARPS, customer value, cost structure, our market opportunities and strategies, and trends for various products, geographies, and industries. We caution you that such statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us and that actual events or results could differ materially. Please refer to the documents we file from time to time with the SEC, specifically our Form 10-K for the FY 2018 and our current reports on Form 8-K, including the Form 8-K filed with today's press release and prepared remarks.

Those documents contain and identify important risks and other factors that may cause actual results to differ from those contained in our forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements made during the call are being made as of today. If this call is replayed or reviewed after today, the information presented during the call may not contain current or accurate information. Autodesk disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. We will provide guidance on today's call but will not provide any further guidance or updates on the performance during the quarter unless we do so in a public forum. During the call, we will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. A reconciliation of our GAAP and non-GAAP results is provided in today's press release, prepared remarks, and on the investor relations section of our website.

We will quote a number of numeric or growth changes as we discuss our financial performance, unless otherwise noted, each such reference represents a year-on-year comparison under ASC 606. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Andrew.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Thanks, Dave. Q1 was a good start to our fiscal 2019, with continued solid execution leading to strong growth in key metrics such as ARR and ARPS. We also realized strong growth in billings, revenue, total deferred revenue, and better-than-expected EPS resulting from lower spend in the quarter. Overall, these results keep us confident in achieving the financial targets we've laid out this year and beyond. There are several key areas that I want to highlight. Total annualized recurring revenue, or ARR, grew 22% under the new revenue recognition standard, ASC 606, and 25% on an apples-to-apples basis under ASC 605. Annualized revenue per subscription, or ARPS, continued its upward trajectory both year-over-year and sequentially. Recurring revenue increased to 95% of total revenue.

We continue to see rapid migration of maintenance customers to subscription with the maintenance to subscription program, or M2S, customers continue to engage with our solutions for reimagining construction and manufacturing. First, let's dig into ARR a little bit more. As we've been highlighting since we started the transition, the Autodesk machine has been geared towards driving ARR, we continue to see great results. Subscription plan ARR more than doubled, driven by growth in all subscription plan types, but led by product subscription. We continue to drive impressive growth in product subscription ARR on both a year-over-year and sequential basis. The strength in total ARR was once again broad-based, with all three major geographies showing strong growth, led by APAC. Last quarter, at our recent Investor Day, we started breaking out results of our core business, which represents the combination of maintenance, product subscription, and EBA subscriptions.

While our cloud business represents all the results generated by standalone cloud offerings. It's not surprising that core ARR grew in line with total ARR, as our core business drives the overwhelming majority of our revenue, ARR, and billings growth. Our cloud ARR performed up to expectations, cloud billings remained strong, growing nearly 50%. I also want to provide you with a little more insight into our cloud business because our pure cloud ARR and cloud subscription totals don't tell the entire story of the success we're having. Our cloud products have become an integral selling point for our EBA customers, usage within our EBA customer base has really taken off. For example, in Q1, just over half of the monthly active users for BIM 360 were in EBA accounts.

This really validates our relevancy at the top of the general contractor market, which is where we focused initially. That success is a strong foundation to build on, and we're now leveraging it in the mid-market contractors. For example, Miron Construction, a U.S.-based construction company, is deploying some of the most advanced technology available in the construction industry. They use the new BIM 360 Project Delivery platform to process a change to their building project that added up to 70 design documents and the potential to add almost $1 million in project costs. The 70 documents needed review by everyone on the project, which would have taken hundreds of hours to resolve through manual processes or their old digital document management software. Miron resolved the issue in just a fraction of that time with BIM 360.

The project manager also found several additional issues which never would have been caught with their old document management tool. That's real value delivered on real projects. Beyond that, as I said at our investor day, we expect in five years, Autodesk will have moved a building information model across the entire construction process from start to finish. BIM will become the record of everything that is happening, from design, to pre-fabrication, to on-site assembly, and to the final handover of the building to its owner. BIM will become the single source of truth across the full spectrum of design and make processes. On the manufacturing side, our cloud-based Fusion 360 is also enabling customers to bring design and make closer.

Generative Design is now available in the ultimate version of Fusion 360 and uses AI-based algorithms to simultaneously generate multiple valid solutions based on real-world manufacturing constraints and product performance requirements, such as strength, weight, materials, and more. Some of you may have noticed that earlier this month, we announced a project with GM using our Generative Design technology to lightweight their vehicles and reimagine a small but important vehicle component. The software produced more than 150 valid design options based on parameters the engineer set, such as required connection points, strength, and mass. They zeroed in on a new design that is 40% lighter and 20% stronger than the original assembly. It also demonstrated another major benefit of Generative Design, part consolidation. The new design consolidates an assembly of eight different components into one 3D-printed part.

That's the kind of game-changing technology that really gets customers excited about the future of making things, and Autodesk is clearly leading the way. Finally, I want to quickly comment on our net subscription adds and remind you of some of the key factors we discussed last quarter. First, the M2S-driven upsell to collections is resulting in a consolidation of subscriptions in many of our accounts, but at a higher total account value. Second, cloud subscriptions will continue to consolidate as the new packaging for BIM 360 works its way through the market. These factors are as expected and will continue to impact net subscription adds for the next couple of quarters. However, we continue to expect strong ARR growth resulting from the higher ARPS. Now I'll turn it over to Scott for a few more details on subscriptions, ARPS, and other financial metrics.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thanks, Andrew. I'll start with a closer look at subscriptions. Subscription plan subs grew by 307,000 in Q1, with growth coming in all three categories: cloud, enterprise, and product subs. As Andrew noted, net subscription additions continue to be impacted by product consolidation from the adoption of collections and the product consolidation associated with our recently launched simplified BIM 360 offerings. Collection subscription additions increased over 30% sequentially and now make up a quarter of the base of product subs. The adoption of collections is happening through the regular run rate of new business, through the renewal process, the legacy promo, and the maintenance of subscription program. Again, the good news is that many of these customers are increasing their total spend with Autodesk, contributing to solid increases in ARPS and ARR. We continue to execute well on our core strategy of driving upsell to industry collections.

Each quarter, the vast majority of the new subscription plan subs are added through traditional means. However, we continue to make progress in converting legacy users into subscribers. In Q1, the legacy promo added another 24,000 product subs, and over 30% of those were collections. We're still finding that the average age of the licenses that are turned in with the promo are seven years behind the current release, indicating there's still a very long tail of legacy customers to convert. There continues to be over two million of these legacy users that are actively using an old perpetual license without a maintenance plan. Over time, we expect to convert a large portion of these users through promotions like this, through compelling new product introductions, and through traditional means as the product becomes increasingly outdated through time.

Core subscriptions grew between 12% and 13% in Q1, slightly below our recent history, but was in line with our expectations. Subscription consolidations are creating a near-term headwind, but as Andrew stated earlier, core ARR still grew 25%. A consistent attribute of the transition is that new customers continue to make up a meaningful portion of product subscription additions and represented 25% of the mix for the quarter. These new customers come from a mix of market expansion, growth in emerging markets, converting un licensed users, and people who have been using an alternate design tool. Partially offsetting the growth in subscription plan subs was the expected decline in maintenance plan subs, primarily related to the M2S program. The M2S program continues to progress faster than expected, especially in the Americas. In Q1, customers migrated 154,000 maintenance subs to product subs.

That brings the total M2S conversions to half a million since we started the program middle of last year. The conversion rate remains strong with approximately one-third of all maintenance renewal opportunities during Q1 migrating to product subscription. Of those that migrate, over 30% of eligible subscriptions upgraded from an individual product to an industry collection. We're now entering year two of the M2S program, and we expect this to be the biggest year for M2S migrations. Effective earlier this month, for all maintenance contracts up for renewal, the price to move to subscription increases 5% and maintenance plan prices increase 10% if they choose to stay on maintenance. It's easy to see that it makes more economic sense for our customers to migrate, and product subscription provides them the greatest value with increased flexibility, support, continuous updates, and access to our cloud products.

The renewal rate for product subscription experienced a small increase sequentially, and we expect it to continue to rise as the product mix improves. The renewal rate for maintenance was flat sequentially. Let's talk a little bit more about annualized revenue per subscription or ARPS. ARPS continued to inflect up in Q1 for many of the reasons we've been calling out, including the growing renewal base at a higher net price to Autodesk, the increase in digital direct sales, the price increase from the M2S program, and less discounting and promotional activity. Looking at an apples-to-apples comparison on ASC 605 basis, total ARPS grew 7% year-on-year and 3% sequentially to $569, while core ARPS grew 11% year-on-year and 3% sequentially to $624. We expect total ARPS to continue to inflect up for all the reasons we laid out at Investor Day as we progress through the transition.

Our eStore continues to play a bigger part of the digital direct business and grew nearly 90% while achieving record revenue in the quarter. Our eStore generated over 20% of the product subs in Q1. Our direct business to enterprise increased by over 30%. Looking at our total business mix, total direct grew 11% and was 29% of the Q1 mix. The growth in total direct was partially offset by some of the divestitures announced last November as part of the restructuring. Let's talk about billings. Since we moved to a point in the transition where we are comparing back to a prior year that is also subscription-only sales, billings growth has become a relevant metric again, as we noted in our last earnings call when we reintroduced guidance for billings.

To be clear, we now define billings as reported revenue plus the change in deferred revenue. Using that definition, billings for Q1 decreased year-over-year under ASC 606, primarily due to the write-off of previously deferred revenue, but increased 12% when comparing more apples-to-apples on a 605 basis. The impact from the adoption of ASC 606 is greatest in Q1, and we'll see a diminishing impact as we move through the rest of the year. Note, the deferred revenue impacts due to the adoption of 606 do not impact cash flows. Moving to spend management, our total non-GAAP spend came in at $531 million for the quarter, leading to better-than-expected profitability. Driving the lower spend result was our continued focus on cost management and the hiring ramp associated with filling the new roles we created as a result of the recent restructuring.

We do expect to see hiring increase as we go forward. Our intent for fiscal 2019 remains to keep non-GAAP spend flat at constant currency relative to our fiscal 2018 budget at about $2.2 billion. Looking at the balance sheet, total deferred revenue grew 21% as reported and 24% under ASC 605. Unbilled deferred revenue increased to $412 million. I want to note that the adoption of ASC 606 also required a change to the definition of unbilled deferred revenue to include certain early renewals. We're not breaking out the two components, but the overwhelming majority of unbilled deferred revenue still relates to the move to annual billings with our large EBA customers. Q1 operating cash flow was slightly negative as expected. As we move through the year, we expect operating cash flow to turn back positive and remain there.

With the significant price appreciation in our stock since the last earnings report, we did not trigger the opportunistic buying within our stock repurchase program. In Q1, we bought back roughly 200,000 shares at an average price of $113.31. As always, we remain committed to managing dilution and reducing shares outstanding over time. Lastly, before we get to the business outlooks, we're pleased to have reached another milestone in the transition with the return to non-GAAP profitability. It's important to note that with this milestone, about 3 million shares are added back into the non-GAAP diluted share count, and this was already factored into our guidance for the quarter and the year.

It's also important to note that non-GAAP earnings per share under ASC 605 and absent ASC 340, which is what requires the capitalization of commissions, would have been $0.16, a significant uptick in earnings as we continue along the transition. Now I'll turn the discussion to our outlook, and I'll start by saying that our view of the global economic conditions remains mostly unchanged from the last few quarters, with mature markets performing relatively well and emerging markets showing improvement, although we're watching the emerging markets closely. As you know, we launched a significant restructuring last November, which was really a rebalancing of our investment areas. This touched our entire global organization, especially around changes we made with our sales team and the move to increase our direct touch business.

Overall, we're really proud of the results we achieved in Q1 and are confident that we'll see the benefit from the changes we made as we move through the year. As we look at our outlook for Q2, we expect to see sequential increases in most metrics, including billings, ARR, ARPS, revenue, spend, profitability, and subscription additions. The better-than-expected profitability in Q1 was primarily related to not meeting our hiring projections during the quarter. We expect the hiring ramp to increase in Q2, and as such, expect our sequential spend to increase more than usual. Also note that we're now required to capitalize commission costs and amortize them back into our operating expense, versus expensing them as incurred, which we did previously. This will have the effect of leveling off our commission costs and will change our historical spend patterns throughout the year.

We remain confident in our previous guidance for fiscal 2019, but want to note that we provided full year guidance for billings under ASC 606, which we had not provided earlier. The initial impact of the adoption of 606 reduced previously deferred revenue on the balance sheet and consequently reduces calculated billings. This update is not driven by a change in our underlying business, and you can see there is no change to our 605 billing guidance. Again, it has no impact on cash flow or subscriptions. Operator, we'd now like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press star and then one on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Also, we do ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Our first question comes from the line of Philip Winslow with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Philip Winslow
Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hey. Thanks, guys, for taking my question, and congrats on a good start to the year. I really want to focus in on ARPS because that upsided again, this quarter versus what the Street was looking for. When I really zoned in on things, it looks like that core number, as you mentioned, really drove that. More than anything, what if you just help us through sort of the flow of the year, because obviously there are lots of moving parts. Scott, I know you just said this thing about ARPS up sequentially, but as you think about Q2, Q3, Q4, what are the puts and takes to keep driving that ARPS up here? Obviously some of it's mix, some of these promotions, et cetera. Maybe kind of walk us through that, then just have a quick follow-up.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Sure, Phil. The first thing, if you remember the factors that I talked about that will drive ARPS from back in our investor day, all those come in play, and actually increasingly so throughout the year. The first is growing renewal base, which has a higher net to us, right? We talked about there's a lesser channel margin on renewals than there is on net new sales. As that renewal base gets bigger, that accretes to us as a higher ARPS. We'll sell more direct, and frankly, a lot of the changes that we put in place as a result of the rebalancing, the restructuring that we announced back at the beginning of Q4, are increasing our direct touch across the sales force. As direct goes up, we get a higher yield out of our direct sales.

The next step function in the pricing on M2S comes into play more and more as the year goes on, right? As we sell those conversions, they go into deferred revenue, and they accrete out through the year. It's a little bit of a dampened effect. It doesn't happen as sharply as it did in the past. Just ongoing less promotional activity. You've seen us have slightly less promotional activity. Those are the trends, and so we do expect to see sequential increase in ARPS, certainly next quarter, and ARPS to end the year at a higher point than it ends next quarter.

Philip Winslow
Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Got it. Awesome. A follow-up to Andrew on your comments there about BIM and penetrating into the construction market. We've seen over the past 12, 18 months here, and as recently, just about one month ago, some consolidation in the construction management software market. How do you think about Autodesk positioning in there? Where are there natural adjacencies versus things that you'd actually just partner up with people for?

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Yeah. We've said over and over again, we intend to go deep on the entire process. We do believe just like what's happened in manufacturing, where the model has become the record of the entire process, that's what's going to happen in the construction space as well. We intend to touch every piece of that process. We'll do some of that organically with internal development. We'll do some of it inorganically, but we intend to touch just about every part of that process. We'll probably stay clear of the ERP-like side of the business, but every other part of it, from pre-construction all the way to field operations, we're going to be involved. We already are.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Saket Kalia with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my questions here. How are you?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Hey, Saket. Good. How are you?

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Good. Hey, first, maybe for you, Andrew. Thanks for reminding us about the collections impact on that net add number. Typically, we would see a seasonal uptick from the EBAs we sold in Q4 that get turned on in Q1. Just to confirm, did we see that bump, but maybe that's perhaps getting hidden by some of the collection impact and the flushing out of the BIM 360 Team item that you spoke on? Relatedly, when do you think we see the impacts of those perhaps normalize? If that makes sense.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Okay. Saket, let me kind of address the question a little bit, I'm going to let Scott dig in on the EBA stuff a little bit too. I'm going to just go a little high level here. First off, the net adds we saw this quarter is what we expected to see. We're seeing what we expect to see, I want to peel it back a little bit, I'm going to let Scott comment a little bit more. When you peel it back, we broke out core and cloud on purpose, what you see is a fairly significant decline in what's happening with the cloud subscriptions, that's to be expected. That's exactly what we were telegraphing to you and exactly why we modified some of the things.

Another thing that you also see is in the core side, you're seeing an ongoing continual growth of the core net adds. There is a difference in how the EBAs kind of rolled in this year into the core, I'm going to let Scott comment on that real quick.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah. Saket, just to be super clear, I think you know this, we still added cloud subs, net added cloud subs during the quarter. We just aren't adding them at the same rate we did a year ago. On the EBA business, if you remember back in Q3, we had a really strong Q3 of last year in EBAs. What normally happens is we sell the majority of our EBAs during Q4, then we count those monthly active users 90 days later, we get a big slug of additional EBA subs in Q1. Last year, we actually had a strong Q3 in addition to a strong Q4. We've seen some of the bleed back from the EBA sales already coming in into Q4, then slightly lesser amount as the quarter-to-quarter impact going from Q4 to Q1.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Got it. That makes sense. Maybe for my follow-up for you, Scott, just to move to the cost side of the equation. A really nice decrease in the cost of goods sold, driving one of the higher gross margins that I think we've seen. The question is: Is this coming from sort of the right sizing of the cost structure that we'd done last year? Of course, I'm sure part of it is related to no more perpetual sales. How sustainable, I guess, are these levels? Just a little bit more color on that nice cost of goods sold line would be helpful.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah. Thanks for that question, you're right it is a nice trend on gross margins. There's a couple of things driving that. One is as we've gone through and become more focused in certain areas, we went through several divestments. That has accreted some benefit into our cost of goods sold. The second is we have also been really active with the channel, taking a lot of what previously was consulting business that we had done and giving the intellectual property, giving the best practices to the channel, and having them deliver a lot of that. They can do it at a higher margin, frankly, than they can make on product markup. For us, that's a lower margin business. We've pushed a lot of the consulting business outside of the big EBAs, where the customers really want us in there, to our channel partners.

It's a win for them and it's a win for us. That's the other thing that's contributed to a lot of that improving gross margin and reduced COGS.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Heather Bellini with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Heather Bellini
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Great. I wanted to follow up a little bit on Saket's question about the collections versus the suites that you would've sold. Is there any sense to give us or any way to give us a sense of how that might be impacting the actual sub number in the quarter. I know it might be hard, but if there's any way to think about maybe the average number of products the collections people are using versus, say, before, if there's any way to kind of have a rule of thumb. I know it wouldn't be perfect. Then I wanted to just touch on one other thing, which is in relation to piracy, which I know you guys have always kind of been focused on and trying to cut back on.

Was wondering if there was anything regarding piracy in the quarter, piracy reduction in the quarter that might have helped. Thank you.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

All right. Heather, I'll start. There's no real magic rule of thumb on the collections consolidation. Last quarter, we tried to give you a really nice example that kind of showed you the extreme case of what can happen in terms of the consolidation, and when we talked about the engineering service company in Canada and gave you that example. I encourage you to go back and look at that example, because that is a common scenario, and it does happen. I don't have a rule of thumb for you with that respect. Now, on your second question, but one thing I will say is we expect the effect of consolidation to continue in kind of a consistent manner as we move forward through the next few quarters. All right?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Heather, if I could just add to that. If you remember that example, it was a company that had 42 individual products on maintenance. At the point they moved from maintenance to subscription, consolidated down to 20, in effect, 19 collections and one AutoCAD subscription. In the process to do it, their sub count went from 42 to 20, and in the process of that, their ARR went up more than 10%. It's one of the reasons why I think focusing less on subs. Subs are not irrelevant by any stretch. Focusing less on the sub count and more on the outcome, which is the growth of ARR, is going to make sense for this quarter and then actually as we look ahead.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Just not to drive this home over and over again, but remember, the result we saw this quarter is the result we expected, and we're not changing our outlook for the year. We're seeing what we expect, given all the factors we see in the business and the things that we watch. We're actually feeling pretty good about the outcome right now. Now, with regards to your question about piracy, I sometimes feel like everybody expects, like at some quarter, I'm going to declare, "There's 50,000 net subscriber adds from piracy in this quarter." You might be waiting a long time to hear that declaration. This move with regards to how we address non-paying users in our market, it's an ongoing process of basically keeping the run rate at a relatively nice clip quarter after quarter after quarter, well beyond even the FY 2020 goals.

That's what some of the companies that have engaged in this, like Adobe and Microsoft, have seen. It's been an ongoing return to the business. We have done some new things this quarter. We rolled out the in-product messaging to pirates in AutoCAD, and we're going to continue to roll that out worldwide as time progresses. We've also lit up some things in our sales force with new lead generation and new teams, but there's no headline around how piracy gets added into our business. It's going to be one of these things that actually maintains the business as we move forward. Like I've said many times before, pirates don't declare themselves at the door. It's very difficult to count some of this stuff.

Heather Bellini
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thanks, Heather.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jay Vleeschhouwer with Griffin Securities. Your line is now open.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Thank you. Good evening. Andrew, first for you, then the follow-up for Scott. The question is: As your business has evolved over the last number of years, both in terms of technology and model, channel and so forth, externally too, for that matter, how are you thinking differently, if at all, about the leading indicators of the business? In other words, for a long time, we were told that LT was perhaps the broadest indicator of the business. If we go back far enough, let's say a decade, there were even indications that civil, of all things, was an indicator for the business, at least for AEC. In that respect, maybe you could talk about how you're thinking about leading indicators.

The follow-up, at the analyst meeting, Steve talked about a couple of changes you're making with respect to the channel, moving an account-based approach that you are taking from EBAs into the mid-market. Similarly, this year, you're going from paying for actions for like activation and onboarding to next year, you're going to go to more paying for outcomes, usage and adoption. Maybe you could update us on the progress you're making in terms of those evolutions vis-à-vis the channel.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Jay, I'll start with the first question. We are absolutely starting to look at leading indicators differently. I think, in the past, it would've been easy to pin a particular product as a leading indicator. I think the way we're kind of framing this as we look forward, it's really this idea of the low end of our business, the VSB business, the chunk that comes in from what we call very small businesses. That is the indicator moving forward that we will watch as a leading indicator in terms of economic activity. Classically, that space bought LT a lot. Now, because of the subscription transition, you're actually starting to see a mix in that base around what they actually buy because the upfront costs are lower.

Instead of pinning it to a particular product, what we're doing more and more is we're looking at that VSB segment and tracking its behavior. It just so happens that that segment is more likely to buy direct from us on the eStore than any other segment. I would actually say in terms of leading indicators, although we haven't actually institutionalized all this yet, we have more knowledge and more access to some of these leading indicators as we move fully to the subscription transition. That's how we're thinking about it moving forward, Jay.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Jay, on the second part of your question around the changes that Steve talked about at Investor Day around the channel, it's still really early days. I think that if you peel back the strategy behind that, it is about driving more direct touch. First of all, with the mid-market account-based, field-based, account-level assigned salespeople below the named account tier that we already have. That'll be sell with the channel, by the way. We'll have direct touch, but we'll also have channel partners involved. We are increasing the level of support we've got in our inside sales, which again, is a direct touch play. Then he talked about the formation of a new group called Customer Success. The Customer Success team is all about driving adoption internally, also through the channel, and we've built incentives in our channel partners incentive program around driving adoption.

A first pass at that this year. We'll get more refined at it next year. The Customer Success team and the channel incentives are around adoption as opposed to just making sure that they get the sale done. I expect to see a lot of uptick in both the engagement, the direct customer engagement that we have, and I think we'll see some of the benefits of that really beginning to come into play in the second half of this year.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Thank you.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thanks, Jay.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gal Munda with Berenberg. Your line is now open.

Gal Munda
Analyst, Berenberg

Hey, thanks for taking my question. We've heard about some of the changes that have been rolled out in terms of the U.S. sales, especially when we're talking about the discounting philosophy, in terms of the channel. Can you talk a bit more about that? Do you think that had any impact on, in terms of how the net new adds played out in the quarter, maybe, in terms of how the channel is prepared for that, and could that take maybe a quarter or two for them to get on board with it?

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

First off, I just want to make sure I clarify what you're asking about, Gal. We did do some margin changes in the U.S., specifically related to AutoCAD LT and AutoCAD, that had absolutely no impact on the volume in the U.S. markets whatsoever. It certainly is accretive to our total realization of the business because it pushes more business to the e-store and actually allows us to make more on LT, had absolutely no impact on volume at all. These changes are going to be cascading through Europe and APAC this quarter and into the next quarter, and we similarly do not expect any impact on volume.

Gal Munda
Analyst, Berenberg

That should actually be beneficial to that price realization?

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Yeah. We expect the outcome here to be beneficial in terms of price realization.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

On the LT piece. Frankly, part of the goal of that too is to focus the channel in on selling the higher value products, right? I think one of the places the channel can add the most value is moving upstream, either to the new one AutoCAD or up into collections.

Gal Munda
Analyst, Berenberg

Okay, perfect. Can we just talk a bit about the cloud ARPS and maybe just a comment on the churn, on the core churn on the cloud, you obviously don't disclose that directly, but just in terms of the trends now that you're being slightly, on one side, basically, you're saying you're being slightly more

cautious about the pricing, trying to support us. On the other side, we're still seeing ARPS trending down on cloud. How can we reconcile those two data points? Maybe if you can just help us understand, that would be very helpful.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

There's kind of two effects or there's actually three effects here in many respects. The first effect is, as we've told you previously, we rotated away from some of these really low-end, down-market type ARPS, I mean, applications that we were selling, like the BIM 360 Team application. They've rolled up into the consolidated suite. Those continue to turn out of the runway. That's fully expected. We actually expect them. We're not chasing those. The other thing is, in terms of the new packs, we sell lots of user packs. A company might buy a 1,000-user pack into their project space. That number of users obviously starts to dilute the ARPS over time. However, it's really good for the business because basically what they're doing is they're buying future capacity. They're buying and expanding into our bucket with what they're purchasing.

In another respect, too, especially on the ARR side, the ARR side for cloud right now doesn't actually reflect the full ARR impact of, say, BIM 360 right now, because so much of it is contained within the EBAs. That's one of the reasons why I made that point about 50% of the monthly active use coming from EBA customers for BIM 360. That ARR sits in the enterprise ARR and not in the cloud ARR. That also has an impact on how these numbers roll out. I think one of the things that you, in terms of looking at this in the short term, remember, the core is going to drive the big ARR outcomes over the next 18-24 months. We want to pay a little bit more attention to that, and these trends that we're talking about will settle out.

Gal Munda
Analyst, Berenberg

Scott, do you want to add anything?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

No, I think you said it.

Gal Munda
Analyst, Berenberg

Perfect. Thank you.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thanks, Gal.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gregg Moskowitz with Cowen. Your line is now open.

Gregg Moskowitz
Analyst, Cowen

Okay, thank you very much. Scott, ARR was certainly strong, as you pointed to, but it was a little surprising to see maintenance plan ARPS decline by $24 sequentially. I just wanted to clarify a comment from your prepared remarks. Would you say that the decline there was entirely due to the linearity of the M2S signup activity?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah, it's not entirely, Greg, but it is largely based on not just the linearity, just based on M2S. There is a 605 to 606 impact in maintenance as well. As we implemented 606 at the beginning of this quarter, we wrote off a fair amount of previously deferred revenue. Some of that hit the maintenance line, and of course, that then becomes a headwind on ARPS.

Gregg Moskowitz
Analyst, Cowen

Got it. Andrew, you gave that example, I believe, of Miron Construction, and that was helpful. When you look out at the construction vertical, when do you expect that your enhanced focus on the mid-market will begin to really show up in the numbers?

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Yeah. I think what you'll start to see as we start to penetrate the mid-market, you'll see more and more of these packs start to get sold. I think that the packs absolutely target the mid-market. I'm not going to give you a specific timeline in terms of when you'll start to see more robust growth in the mid-market. What I can say is our focus has been the top of the pyramid for almost the entire existence of BIM 360. It's only now that we're starting to move deeper into the mid-market. These early successes, frankly, driven by some of the successes we've had upmarket, are indicative of what I expect you'll see over the next few quarters as we start to penetrate the mid-market more and more.

Gregg Moskowitz
Analyst, Cowen

Great. Thank you.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thanks, Gregg.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Talanian with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Ken Talanian
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Thanks for taking the question. Could you give us a sense for the blended maintenance price increase you realized in the quarter and in some of the moving pieces we should consider around maintenance ARR for the remainder of the year?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah, it's hard to do that on a blended level, Ken. I mean, you can see the ARPS, and you can calculate the ARPS, and we do provide you the details to be able to sort out the ASC 605 impact as well as the M2S impact. You can see it in aggregate. I'd say on an apples-to-apples, same maintenance before to same maintenance after, it's really just the 5% price increase up until the beginning of this quarter that was put in place as part of the M2S program. As you know, at the beginning of this quarter, that maintenance price went up, apples-to-apples, 10%. The blending shows up in the ARPS, and I think when you dig through the prepared remarks, you'll see enough detail to be able to peel out the effects of both ASC 606 and M2S.

Ken Talanian
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. Could you talk about the uptake you saw in multi-year product subscriptions in the quarter and your expectations for the remainder of the year?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah, we're not doing anything right now, Ken, to incent multi-year product subs. This is back to part of the presentation that I gave at Investor Day. We are seeing some multi-year activity in that. We really haven't done anything to incentivize it. It's kind of churning along at that double-digit rate that it had been. I do expect to see that pick up later this year and into next year. At this point, we're not doing anything to really encourage that.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Richard Davis with Canaccord. Your line is now open.

Richard Davis
Analyst, Canaccord

Hey, thanks. I'll change it up from a model-building question to a product question. Look, we talked to some of your customers, and they agree that this kind of generative design stuff is a big improvement over, I think, what used to be called topological optimization. Basically, the question is, should we think of this generative functionality as an increment to ARPS?

Increment the customer counts, reduce churn, all three? Then I would assume that it'll take probably a year or two before we get any kind of measurable ramp in financials. It would be helpful. Thanks.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Well, Richard, that is definitely not a boring question. Look, I don't want to dilute the power of the answer here, but almost all of the above are true in some respects.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

For instance, some of what you're seeing with our Fusion Ultimate rollout of the generative capability is it's included in the Ultimate subscription. Buried inside the Ultimate subscription is an allocation of consumption that's built into the subscription. There's an amount of consumption that is available to the user. Once that consumption is burned down, for instance, if they were a massive generative user and they just kept generating designs over and over again, they're going to have to reload that consumption outside of their normal subscription. That kind of blending that you saw in Fusion Ultimate, that's the way you're going to see some of these things roll out into our business.

There'll be some level of access to generative capabilities, because remember, this is an AI-driven super-computing type application delivered to the customer because we can do it with the low price of compute from the cloud. We're going to blend some of it in. It'll be accretive in subscriptions in terms of the fact that it just redefines us in the market and it makes us more competitive, and you can see we're already seeing some of the impacts of that, the positive impacts. Then you'll see also, people will be buying more consumption in the future as they buy more outcomes from the generative results. It's kind of all three, I hope that gives you a little bit more color on why it's sort of all three.

Richard Davis
Analyst, Canaccord

No, that's super helpful.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Hopefully that was helpful.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thank you very much. That was great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Monika Garg with KeyBanc. Your line is now open.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. First question on the ARR side. Under ASC 606, you posted 22% ARR growth. Target is 29% at the midpoint. To achieve that, it seems ARPS, for the next three quarters, will have to ramp significantly. Of course, I'm comparing 605 with 606 because last year we have only 605 numbers. ARPS was 5% year-over-year in Q1. Seems like they will have to ramp to low teens by end of the year. Maybe could you talk about factors that could lead to the ramp in ARPS growth?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah. Monika, first of all, I think the way you need to think about the growth in Q1 is really, to make it apples to apples, back to the 605, which was 25% in Q1, honestly, it's a great result. Looking ahead, it's not just ARPS that's going to grow, right? We've talked about what the subscription count looks like. There is some improving ARPS for all the reasons that we've talked about. We also have sub count going up, it's the combination of both of those that drives the ARR growth out through the end of the year. Separate the one-time effect. By the way, the effect of 606 is greatest in Q1. If you notice, that's why in the prepared remarks, we tried to give you both sets of numbers so you could trend it out.

It was a little bit more than a $40 million hit to ARPS, just driven by the implementation of ASC 606 in Q1. That diminishes out through the year. There's a little bit of an exaggerated effect in Q1, just driven by the one-time writedown of the deferred revenue caused by ASC 606.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Thanks. Helpful. Just strong growth in all the geographies, but revenue growth was kind of lowest in Americas compared with other geos, 13% in Americas compared greater than 20% in all other geographies. Maybe could you walk through the reasons? Thank you.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Well, Americas saw double-digit growth. We saw a very strong number in the Americas. I don't really look at it as weaker growth. I think one of the things that you need to understand about the Americas is they're way ahead on the M2S program relative to other geographies. Other geographies are just starting to ramp up on the M2S program, and in some respects, we're even behind on the subscription transition. Americas is where it should be at this point in the cycle, and I think it was a really great result for the Americas. You want to add anything, Scott?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

No, I think you said it right. The only other small thing I would point to is Americas did have the toughest compare point year-on-year. They had the strongest Q1 last year, that's a little bit of a factor, but 11% growth, even with ASC 606 and 13% growth on an apples to apples basis, pretty good growth.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Zane Chrane with Bernstein Research. Your line is now open.

Zane Chrane
Analyst, Bernstein Research

Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question. It seems like the subscription transition and the business model change is solidly on track. I want to dive a little bit more into the second pillar of your five-year strategy, the company's efforts in your own internal digital transformation. Could you give us an update on how that's going? You talked about AVA, the Autodesk Virtual Assistant, at your Analyst Day and highlighted that. Aside from that example, could you maybe give a couple of other examples of initiatives that you're working on as part of that second pillar? Lastly, it seems like this is probably a multi-year effort. I'm wondering how we should think about the timing in which we would start to see maybe cost reduction or operating leverage or incremental revenue opportunities created by this internal digitization effort. Thank you.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Okay, let me give you some color on some of the things we're working on with regard to digitization. First off, we've actually rolled out AVA's capabilities in other areas of support to our customers, we continue to evolve that capability simply to make it easier. The satisfaction levels with that capability are pretty high because it just solves the problem very quickly. AVA's very good at some of these things. The other area we're looking at is what we like to call the administrator, or CAD manager persona. I think administrator is probably a better word. This is the person that has to actually manage all the assets somebody owns from Autodesk and make sure the right user gets the right access to the right kind of capabilities.

What we're doing is we're doing a set of ongoing capability dumps very much targeted at this particular buyer. Our customers are going to find this fairly liberating capability as it matures over the next few quarters, because it just allows them to understand what they're using, who's using what, and actually respond more quickly in self-service ways to, hey, add a seat, do some of these things. You'll start to see incremental kind of direct-to-customer engagements as some of this capability matures. In the second half of the year, we'll actually start doing some major cutovers as we start moving all of our orders that come into the system into our new back office, which actually is what powers our e-store, which has a much more robust, simple, seamless, manageable experience than what they get through our current partner system.

The partner orders are going to start coming through that same system as we move into the end of this year and into the beginning of next year. All of these things are actually pretty big, heavy-lifting projects, but they make a big difference in terms of what the customer is able to do on their own, including our ability to recommend things to them. The other thing we're doing on the digital back end is we're providing simpler front ends and more intelligence to our inside sales teams. Our inside sales teams are now able to see more about what's going on with the customer and actually take actions quicker in terms of satisfying the customer in the moment.

That's already starting to pay real dividends to the company in terms of renewal activities, in terms of our ability to upsell and cross-sell an account, and actually in terms of our ability to help people move from maintenance to subscription when they call in and work with some of our inside teams. We're seeing those benefits right now. Those are going to continue to ramp up throughout the year. You'll also see more benefits next year where customers simply upsell and cross-sell themselves, because we're going to start recommending things to them, over their account management tool. That gives you a little bit of insight into some of those things and some of the potential upside benefits that we're going to start to see from them.

Zane Chrane
Analyst, Bernstein Research

That's fantastic. That's really helpful. Just really quickly, I want to verify that, it is the correct assumption that we should only expect ARR rather than subs and ARPS starting in fiscal 2020. Is that correct?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Well, we haven't formalized that, Zane, but that's certainly where I think we need to get to. I think there's been an outsized focus externally on subs. What we're really trying to drive is, of course, ARR and cash flow. The way you get there, I'm not saying subs are irrelevant. They're not. Subs are important. We'll obviously continue to track that. I think like we've seen others who have gone through this transition get to a point where focusing just on the subs count as opposed to focusing on the outcome and the result is distracting, and I think we're probably pressing that point as well. It's entirely possible that when we get to next year, we will stop talking about subs externally. Perhaps just a once-a-year update at Investor Day as opposed to the focus we put on it in each of our calls.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kash Rangan with Bank of America, Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.

Shankar Subramanian
Analyst, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch

Hi, thanks for taking the question. This is Shankar for Kash. Just on the legacy users, you'd mentioned some of them upgraded to Collections. Can you comment on what they were using before, and have you kind of tracked the usage trends as they upgraded to Collections? Like, what do they use after they upgrade to Collections?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah, Shankar, what we're seeing is a pretty significant uptake, as we talked about, more than 30% that are moving from a single product to Collections. Once they make that shift, of course, they have access to anything that's in the Collection. What they're actually using is much more dependent on the persona, on the person, and on what market they're in. I'm not sure there's a good rule of thumb for you to go by on that. I think the underlying theme, though, that's driving that is we have put a lot of focus on making those Collections simple to consume, easier to select which one they want, easier to sell, and frankly, a price point that's attractive both for us in driving up our ARPS, but for our customers in getting greater value. We're seeing great success with that.

Shankar Subramanian
Analyst, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch

Got it. Just a quick question on the BIM side. Can you comment on the competition which you're seeing, especially from Procore? Kind of compare the strategy you have is to provide the end-to-end solution, but from a customer perspective, is what your competition providing, is that sufficient, or do they kind of in a wait-and-see mode on what you're doing and when they expect to get onto your platform? Just want to understand on that front.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Yeah. By the way, Procore is a great competitor. I think they have a great product, and I think they've shown early success in the mid-market. We compete with them all the time in the high end of the market. We're much more successful there. I expect that to continue. Long-term, it's not so much who the competitors are in the ecosystem. I want to take us back to what's actually going to happen over the next five years. The big driver here is the move of the BIM data through the entire process. That's what's going to happen. What you've seen over time in the manufacturing space is the companies that were providing access to the models ultimately owned the end-to-end process in terms of the optimization and the software that digitized that process. This is going to happen as well in the construction space.

The long-term trend is the building information model, is the communication vehicle that passes through the various stages of the construction process. We're very much focused on that long-term outcome, and the reason you're starting to see us consolidate our position more and more in the larger accounts and start to move mid-market is people are trying to use our tools to do the now problem, but they see that we're also focused on the then problem, the future problem. That's really the more of the dynamic we're paying attention to. We have some great competitors in this space. Love competing with them. They make us all better. The long game swings in our favor.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sterling Auty with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, thanks. Hi, guys. I was just curious, how much of the maintenance to subscription conversions are taking place through direct sales versus the e-store versus the channel?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Well, Sterling, the short answer is, I don't know. Well, it's not available on the e-store at this point. I think we're just enabling that either this quarter or next. It's all happening, either direct or through the channel. I don't actually have that split at my fingertips.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, just one quick follow-up. I wasn't clear, you mentioned the promotional activity a couple of times. How should we think about the impact? We go back a couple of quarters, talked about the renewal of some of that early promotional activity and what it did to the net additions. What was the impact this quarter from that phenomenon?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Well, most of those early promos, if you remember, were multi-year. Right? If you're talking about the legacy promos that we ran, is that what you're referring to, where we went after legacy customers with a discounted price if they turned in an old perpetual license?

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JPMorgan

not only that, but I think there was the cloud promos as well in terms of where you were bundling in some of the cloud suites.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Got it. I'll take them in two cases because it's two different things. On the legacy promos, for the first two years that we ran those promos, we ran them twice a year for the first two years. In each case, the discount was tied to, A, the customer forfeiting their perpetual license and buying a sub. At B, for those first two years, it was a multi-year buy. They paid for three years up front. None of them have come up for renewal at this point. The last two times we ran it, we did give them the option of a single year, and we haven't seen any of those come up for renewal at this point. On the cloud side, it's a different answer, right?

This was the shift that we talked about back in November when we were announcing our Q3 of last year results, and we really moved away from very deep promotions, as I called it, seeding promotions, where we really pushed a lot of low-cost cloud subs out into the market with the goal of seeing which ones that would land, and with the understanding that many of them would not be put into use, and if they weren't put into use, they wouldn't be renewed. That headwind, we still deal with, right? We did that. We continued with that seeding program strategy in both Q1 and Q2 of last year. That's a headwind that we're feeling right now, as many of those come due, and if they weren't being adopted, they're not being used. That's part of why you see the cloud.

We're still adding net subs to our cloud business, but you see those cloud net adds coming down.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Matthew Hedberg with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Oh, hey, thanks, guys. Thanks for the question. I guess as a follow-up to the question on collections a couple of questions ago here. You are clearly having success there, providing a lot of value. I guess I am wondering, can you help us think about customer satisfaction when they move to a collection? I guess in the context of thinking about maintaining renewal rates when some of these collections come up for renewal and likely price points move higher. Is it a function of continuing to provide additional value? I am sort of wondering just kind of your high-level thoughts there.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

First off, let me correct a misstatement you made there. The price points do not go up. When they move to collections as part of M2S, they are actually capturing a highly advantaged price, but they are actually paying more at that moment of move. All right? Let us be very clear here. When the renewal comes up, they are paying the same price that they paid when they moved to the M2S. Super important. There is no price increase cliff that they are going to see. If you are talking about at the end of the M2S program, when their three-year period runs out and they do see that price increase, well, one, that is a couple of years out, and there is a couple of things that we are doing to ensure satisfaction.

First off, our experience from Suites shows that if a customer uses two applications, they are highly satisfied with what they get from these aggregated applications. It is really just two applications that drive satisfaction. We have actually stood up a whole new team inside our sales organization that is a Customer Success organization, its mission is to help customers extract value from some of these higher-end offerings that we have deployed into the market. They are spending a lot of energy helping customers understand what they own, how they can use the products together, and what return they get from using the products together. I think we have got a real focus on this, history says from our Suites experience that these are very, very sticky offerings. Did you want to add something?

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

No, the only other point I'd make on collections and customer sat is we do see the highest renewal rates of all of our product subs on the collections.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's super helpful, Andrew, and that's exactly what I was trying to get at, not necessarily these initial price increases, but more so upon looking two to three years out. I think that's a great way to think about it, and I think it's a super helpful comment.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

Yeah, they're very sticky.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Yeah.

Andrew Anagnost
President and CEO, Autodesk

The Suites were very sticky. The collections are very sticky. That has been something we've seen consistently.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Okay.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Good stuff. All right. Well done, guys. Thanks.

Scott Herren
Senior VP and CFO, Autodesk

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's Q&A session, and I'd like to return the call to Mr. David Gennarelli for any closing remarks.

David Gennarelli
VP of Investor Relations, Autodesk

That does conclude our call. If you have any follow-up questions, you can reach me at 415-507-6033. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.