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Stifel Jaws & Paws Conference 2026

May 28, 2026

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Good morning. Jonathan Block at Stifel, welcome to day two of the 2026 Stifel Jaws & Paws Conference. We've got another really good day. We've got 13 total panels across both public and private companies. We have a couple of dental physician panels as well, also our conversation with IDEXX's former CEO, Jonathan Ayers, around the middle of the day. I'm happy to kick it off with Align Technology, John Morici, CFO, Shirley Stacy, Vice President of Finance, Global Communications and Investor Relations. Guys, thanks for coming back.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Of course

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Being at Jaws & Paws again this year. John, I'm actually going to start a little bit differently than I normally do. You guys had an analyst day or sort of meeting yesterday where you talked about some initiatives and innovation that Align's been working on, and I think some of these initiatives might help spearhead growth or drive growth even in an ongoing modest macro environment. Let's start there. Tell us a little bit about what went on yesterday, and if you had to highlight two or three initiatives, what would you call out?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah, thanks, Jon. We had a technology update that we provided yesterday, and like you said, we wanted to just give an update as to important things that we're working on. Really when you think about some of the products that we've had, it's really moving from just the product to more solutions that what we're able to bring, such that you've got Invisalign Palatal Expander that would expand the upper palate, but making changes to that so that it can also have hooks and buttons and other features to it. It really can help address some other skeletal issues and products like a mandibular advancement with occlusal blocks that move teeth but also adjust the jaw and adjust some of the skeletal issues at the same time.

You see really more of an evolution of some of the product portfolio moving from just a product to a solution. Direct fab really helps enable that. It really starts to be able to make things easier for doctors to treat multiple issues with, especially teenagers, at the same time. You see some of that evolving. The other part that we really wanted to emphasize at this technology view is really some of the active conversion opportunities that we have.

Maybe we'll touch on it later as we go through this, but things that we've learned from some of our DSO partners or other big doctors who are able to take more of an active conversion to drive volume in a tougher market, such that you're working with outside financing companies like an HFD and others to be able to not only provide affordable pricing for those potential patients, but then put them into financing options that are favorable for them, where there's a high acceptance rate to get them into treatment and be able to see that they can benefit from treatment. It's a wide variety of updates that we get, but it's really around some of the new technology and how it can benefit those doctors, and then some of those conversion techniques that I spoke about.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. It's really helpful, and I know nothing sort of turns on immediately or overnight, but do we think about some of those financing initiatives may be gathering momentum into next year? I think there were some ortho-restorative initiatives as well that might bring in the labs. These are things that should hopefully slowly build as we think about coming quarters. Is that a fair assessment?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's right. What we do a lot when we're trying these new initiatives is pilot and learn from the pilot of what's working, how do we tweak things and so on. When we think about some of the ortho products that we have, you start with a pilot, you see the adoption, and then you can go more of a general release. Some of the things that you just said about labs and how we can get labs kind of in the ecosystem to help us with our ortho-restorative initiatives that we can bring. Those are pilots that we've tested and start, and then you start to bring those out. Same way with the financing. I would say we've learned a lot as we've gone through last year.

Many of them have been piloted, and now it's a matter of that rollout, and we've seen that rollout starting last year and certainly into this year.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Very helpful. I'll stick with thematically innovation, and I'll talk about direct fabrication. Just help us sort of benchmark. When I think about gross margin implications, this has been dilutive. I think it's still dilutive to gross margins here in 2026. Is it neutral next year and then accretive in 2028, does it take sort of longer to get there?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

No, the framework that you have is broadly how we think about it. When you have some of the direct fabricated products, they come out and there's some dilution in margin, and it really comes down to the amount of product that we put out. When you have that resin that you're scaling up, the new resin that we have for the direct fabrication, as well as the utilization of the equipment, until you get to more scale, over 10%, over 15% of your volume for products like that, then you can start to get at least to be neutral, like you said. If you think about this year, some of the products coming out being negative, and then next year, more of that neutral that you said.

Certainly as you start to reduce the material cost, because that's the big piece of this where you have less material when you direct fabricate something versus the traditional manufacturing, which you have to make the negative and then essentially throw that out. This allows us to see that material savings that really starts to come with scale.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. If 10% or so, give or take is what allows from a scale perspective you to get to neutral from GM implications, then when do we start to see a broader rollout of some of these directly fabricated products? We talked a little bit about it last night, when I think 10% of volume, it can't just be like Invisalign First retainer with all due respect.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

It's got to be more like retainers.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

aligners, and can you sort of walk us through that pathway a bit?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah. The initial is to some of the products that we talked about when you have attachments and then some of these specialty retainers, because that's just about trying to get the scale, making the resin and the utilization of the equipment. You're right, you need to get more in the mainstream, quote unquote, which would be more wider variety of retention and then into aligners. That'll be something that as you go through some of the scaling this year, you start to get into more of the mainstream products next year, ideally, aligners on a more regular basis really into later part of next year.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. One more here, and I should probably know this, but I don't. Do these need FDA approval, right?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

It's a different manufacturing process. Do you need FDA approval for direct fab retainer, a direct fab aligner? If you do, where are you in sort of that process?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

You'll need it for direct fab on the aligner side.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

On the aligner side.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

We're in the process of going through that. The biocompatibility and the other effects that we need are well along. We don't see that as an issue. It's really more just the scale-up of the process that we have, both on the resin side as well as the manufacturing.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Very helpful. Guys, I usually have my head down, but if you have a question, throw up your hand and obviously I'll get to it. That was great on innovation. I'm going to pivot a little bit to the business and I'll try to keep this somewhat structured to the U.S. John, what are you experiencing in the U.S.? Everyone is usually fixated on consumer confidence. Michigan hit an all-time low last Friday. Just what does that mean or not for U.S. trends?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Look, obviously, U.S. gets a lot of the visibility, I think just a lot of the surveys and so on, and it's over 40% of our business. We still have a lot outside of the U.S. When we think of the consumer confidence indices and so on, we look at that and we've been operating in that environment, roughly in that environment for a number of quarters now. That was minor changes that happened. It's not really an impact to our business. This is an operating environment that we've been in for a number of quarters now.

We feel good about how we've been operating in the last several quarters, just in terms of being able to understand what's happening in the market and then do everything we can, and we can get into more of those conversion opportunities that we have to be able to get to some of those reluctant potential patients to be able to go into treatment. Whether it's getting the right pricing that they need or some of the financing and other things. I would say it's really been what we've been experiencing for a number of quarters now.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Hey, when Michigan goes from 50 to 46, it's like, hey, hasn't been good for so long.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

If it goes from 50 to 80, that's a great thing. If it goes from 80 down to 50, there's an impact there.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

You've been operating in that current environment.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah. The ups and downs that you have kind of on these every couple of weeks that it comes out, those are the minor changes that are very similar to what we've been operating in.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. You mentioned U.S., about 40% of the business. I think you and I have discussed LATAM, maybe 10% or 12%, obviously we know international.

Outside of Americas, pardon me. The other 48%, call it. Let's stick with Americas or the U.S., pardon me. Is it still, call it the tale of two worlds between the DSOs and the independents, and are you seeing any thawing of the independents as you try to bring some of these conversion tools to the forefront with them?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

When you look at our business and you characterize it the right way, especially in the U.S., you have maybe some doctors that are part of DSOs, where they're just much more of an active approach to driving conversion. You look at DSOs that are in the U.S., they're growing double digits. You're seeing that double-digit growth in the same environment. You talked about the Michigan index and so on. They have some doctors that take an approach, many times pushed from the overall DSO, where they're scanning every patient. They're providing visualization of what your treatment would look like. They couple that with better pricing, in many cases, then HFD or other financing opportunities to get those low monthly payments down to those potential patients. They're winning. They're seeing double-digit growth.

The other doctors who are taking maybe some of the retail approach, where it's much more passive, they kind of take the patients as they come, and they're not as aggressive about driving conversion. They haven't grown as much. I think what we're seeing is, over time, they're less negative, which is good, on the retail side. Certainly, as we push with the DSO as well as those retail doctors to help them provide that active conversion, we're seeing improvements there. Against a tough comp in Q1, we were about flat in North America, which was good to see, that we've seen that improvement coming from a point last year where it was much more negative.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Actually, I was going to go down that road. I think you guys called out slightly negative 1Q, but that was against your most difficult comp.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's right.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Right? A year ago. You're bringing some new initiatives, the financing, et cetera. The comp eases is the hope we could see, even with this backdrop, U.S. pardon me, North America return to growth?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's the expectation, that we have the initiatives in place to be able to help drive that. We're seeing some improvement there, and we want to continue that. Obviously, there's a macro that everybody faces with inflation or concerns that they have and so on, but it's that active approach to be able to help drive that conversion that hopefully sets us apart.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. That was great. Let's pivot to international. This has been certainly a solid place for the company. Double-digit growth EMEA, double-digit growth APAC. I thought Joe referenced APAC might have been a little bit stronger when we think about double digits last quarter. Break those down for us, John. Does this APAC momentum, has it continued, and any choppiness on the EMEA side when we think about Middle East?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Really, when you look at our business and when we started with where we're talking about now, just North America. North America retail's been our challenge, and that's the things that we're trying to do to help offset that. When you look outside of North America, you're right. We do see double-digit growth, and we've seen it for a number of quarters now in APAC double digit, in EMEA, and also in LATAM. Those markets, it's not every country, but the bigger countries are really driving that. We have an under-penetrated market, huge opportunity to be able to grow in those markets. We've got a direct sales force that is really working to try to get more and more doctors. There's a big push to keep more and more doctors into our ecosystem, training doctors, keeping doctors from a churn standpoint, and then increasing utilization.

We're seeing a really good mix there where some are double digit, but some are very strong double digit, where we've seen growth in Turkey and India and Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia and so on. It's really good to see how broad it is outside of that. Then, like I said, the challenge has been in North America, but North America just is, in some ways, just offsetting that, but there's really, really good performance outside.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Maybe just to sort of filter that down to overall, there's been a lot of questions on prudent and what that does or does not mean. Maybe talk to us how you feel currently about the level of prudence that you built into the 2Q 2026 guidance. Is there any reference points that we can think about when we look at what sequential growth was last year versus what you embedded in this year's guidance?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Well, typically, when we go from 1Q to 2Q as a business, from a revenue standpoint, it's up 3%-4%. If you go back, even last year where we had some challenges in Q2, it's still up 3%-4%. When we guided the prudent guidance that we wanted to be able to give for Q2 this year, at the midpoint's up about 1%. We wanted to reflect uncertainty that we have on a geopolitical standpoint that affects these potential pay shifts and so on. That's what went into our numbers for Q2. Like I said, we've been in this environment for a number of quarters now, whether it's higher inflation or people making decisions about whether they want to go into treatment or not.

We've been operating well in that environment. We reflected more of a prudent guidance for Q2 that was at that 1% at the midpoint.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. I'll worry about my own model in a way, but for others, if you're guiding zero to two case volumes, one at the midpoint and flat ASPs, and you take your total guidance range, I think the Street's a little bit off on systems and services. That's my comment, not yours.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

I would just throw that out there for others maybe to think about. Let's pivot. Margins. Company's expecting 100 basis points of margin expansion this year. That is benefiting from the restructuring. I'm not asking for guidance, just walk me forward. How do we think about future years? You talk about gross margin from direct fab. It's dilutive and maybe that gets to neutral. Are there opportunities in both gross margin and OpEx leverage outside of the restructuring as we move forward?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah. As we think about starting with mainly our product portfolio, when we talk about products like the no refinement type products, no AA products, those come with a higher gross margin. It's one where there's a template that many doctors will follow. We set up treatment planning that is more or less touchless, very efficient for us. You make the aligners and ship them, and without refinements, better gross margin for us. We see that as a higher % of our products that we have, and it shows up in our results. We've seen good gross margin improvement as a result of that.

If you looked at our overall manufacturing, there's a lot of productivity that we still bring, not just the restructuring that we did to be able to retire some equipment, move equipment to be closer to our customers to improve our freight, but a lot of initiatives that we have to take cost out of our existing manufacturing, whether it's resin or labor or freight costs that we have and so on. We've got a lot of productivity opportunities that we're still executing on that more than offset what we see from a direct fab standpoint on a gross margin standpoint.

The OpEx that we have, we're always trying to be very smart about making sure that we're getting the return on investment that we need to and looking at span of control and layers and other things to be able to make sure that we're as efficient as possible. We get that overall operating leverage as we move forward with increased volume. We saw good performance, even XFX in the first quarter of 250 basis point improvement on an op margin basis, 200 basis point improvement in gross margin. We're excited about other opportunities that we can have to really not only grow the business and really push on that top line, but grow in a profitable way.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Just to also push on margins a bit. You mentioned, hey, direct fab is less of a drag. Zero AA will help, because of the way it's structured and the lack of refinements. Talk to me a little bit about R&D as a % of revenue. That you guys were leading the industry at six and change % of revenue, then you went to eight. There was a lot there last night that looks like it's on the cusp of moving forward and getting to commercialization. Is it like, "Yeah, John, that goes to commercial, there's this whole tranche behind it?" Do we see that R&D as a % of revenue maybe normalize a bit over the next couple years?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

You will see it start to normalize for two reasons. One, we start to deliver these products and that R turns into more D, and you're kind of in that, okay, you finalize some of the development and it goes to market, and so you don't have to spend as much. Examples would be is you're creating the resin, which we had to create for the direct fab. As you've created it, now you have it. It's not like I need to spend on that particular aspect of it, and you can start to pull down some of that spending. Then you also get the revenue benefit, where now you start to have products coming to market and your denominator increases there. You end up with that percent coming down over time. We feel good about the investments that we're making.

What we're seeing in the marketplace will make sure that we have the right amount, but we will start to see some of that R&D operating improvement as well.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Got about 10 minutes left, a handful of topics to hopefully get to. ASP dynamics. For the ASP, we obviously got the 1Q, you guided the 2Q. 1H 2026 ASP is supposed to be flattish year-over-year. That's somewhat aided year-over-year by HMRC, FX. If ASP's down 2% on the year, it does imply a big step down specific to 2H. It is a little nuanced, but are the thoughts that we're down closer to 1% this year because of FX and the HMRC tailwind, and then maybe going forward, it reverts back to that one or closer to two?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yep.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

We don't know where FX is going to land. You mentioned some of those growth vectors for clear aligners or some lower ASP markets. Maybe just help us out there.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's the right way to look at it. Typically, take FX out of it. You've got some mix effects that impact ASPs, and we talked about one to two points related to that. Really that mix is around country mix, where you grow in certain countries that have a lower list price. That's an ASP impact. You grow with certain products that have a lower ASP, like DSP and some of the other IPE and other products that we have that are at that lower list price. I think for this year, you've got that FX benefit, HMRC, with the U.K. VAT benefit as well, and it's a little bit less than that 2%, closer to that 1% that you talked about.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. For 2026?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yes, that's correct.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Let's go to new offerings. Zero AA. Do I have it branded correctly?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Zero AA?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's kind of.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Is it Zero AA?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Zero AA is one, but it's really a product that is a comprehensive product or in some cases, moderate products, but don't have refinements built in.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's how we'll call it.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Help us out with the pace of the rollout. I actually thought it was going to be more of, it's not there and then binary and then it gets rolled out. It seems like it's a little bit more of a step process. Who's getting that first? Orthos before GPs, high volume versus low volume. Walk us through the evolution.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

It kind of goes region by region. Some regions, like I'll use the U.S. as example, it's available. It's a matter of available to orthos or GPs. It's a matter of our sales people working with those doctors to say, "Okay, is this product right for you?" Because if they're doing a lot of refinements, it might not be a product that they necessarily want. If they're not doing a lot of refinements or if those doctors, their mix of products, because really the Zero AA product and really what it's designed for is to go after those doctors who still do a lot of wires and brackets. Typically, when they might order wires and brackets and they have that material cost of $350, it's a big gap to go from $350 to, depending on their discount, they might be paying $1,300 for Invisalign.

Now you go with the Zero AA product, depending on their discount, they might be in the $700 or $800 range. It's much closer. Still more expensive, but much closer. What it's doing as we've introduced this product, we're starting to win in those gray areas. We're winning in the areas where doctors are looking at it and saying, "Okay, it's a little bit more expensive, but I know I'm going to get some digital benefits from this. I'm going to start to put more and more of my patients into the no refinement type product." Really what it means for those doctors is it's a less upfront cost. As they need refinements, they just purchase them. If you're in the U.S., it's $170. You purchase it as you go.

It forces that doctors focus in on that treatment plan, getting that right treatment plan, being really hands-on, and then being able to decide if they need refinements or not. That flexibility, I think we all look at that in our lives and say, sometimes you order something with a service plan and sometimes you don't.

I think a lot of people nowadays don't order a service plan. That's exactly what this is. I think our technology has really improved over the years such that we can have a comprehensive product that it's a one and done. That patient can pretty much get to where they need to, or if they need to do a refinement, maybe that's one refinement. We wouldn't have been able to offer this type of product 10 years ago.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Our product that we had was the comprehensive unlimited. Five years with unlimited refinements.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

People drawing down on a lot of refinements.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

It was just due to the product capability.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

You alluded to maybe the benefit relative to wires and brackets, and it helps the doctor from sort of a cash-out perspective. I think about two potential wins. One is the share of share with wires and brackets. The others might be some of the GPs or even orthos that are opting for a lower cost competing clear aligner for a really simple case. Pardon me. Simple but comprehensive, you get it. 12, 14, 16 stages. You actually think the bigger one's going to be in the share of share, or do you think it might help claw back some of the defectors to other manufacturers?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

I think you get the combined benefit. The first purpose of the product is to increase our share. We want to be able to go after that wires and bracket group. We want to be able to get more and more volume from that, expand the market for us in that clear aligner market. What we will get and what we do see as an added benefit is many doctors who have shipped based on price have now said, "Well, wow, you're much more competitive.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

They're sharing their volume.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

You're actually lower than the competition. What we've seen with competition going the other way, they've actually increased price and we haven't.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Yeah.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

I think the combination of what we're trying to do to kind of get that share of share with wires and brackets at that price, and then being able to have the added benefit of win backs, that's what we're seeing, and we're happy with that.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. I think investors in the Street, and myself included, were in the near term, curious about 2Q 2026 and the balance of the year. I do want to talk about the algo for next year, right? At a high level, the Street does have the rate of growth accelerating 2027 versus 2026. You do provide a reported revenue number. If I think about your guidance this year of 3% to 4%, let's take the midpoint of 3.5%. HMRC and FX is about a little over a point, maybe, depending on currency. That gets you to, let's even call it 2.5%, maybe slightly below that. I think Street's closer to 5%, maybe 4% and change to 5% next year. Outside of macro, right? We don't know and we haven't known or it hasn't improved for a number of years.

Outside of macro, Jon, and we sort of started the conversation this way, but talk to some of the accelerants that you see in this business for next year. Because even with systems and services, my mind goes to like a Lumina product cycle that was really successful, but a little bit more aged in that regard. What drives that acceleration?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Some of the products that we talked about when we have the no AA, no refinement type products, we're seeing good utilization there. More and more doctors using those. You start to see some of the growth opportunities there. That really in large part when we talk about North America, especially under North America Retail, that helps with that. When you look at our business as we started the conversation, double-digit everywhere except that North America piece. We are growing double digits, and we're seeing that across, and we expect that to be able to continue outside the U.S. from a market standpoint. It's continued investment with our DSO partners to be able to help them grow because they're growing at that double-digit as well, and we've seen that.

Doing these active ways to be able to drive conversion, partnering with financing companies and others to be able to get those financing options and solutions to those doctor's offices. Because when they have that financing options and they have different ways that they can help convert those patients, they're seeing great success as well. It's not a one silver bullet there, but it's continuing growth on the international side, continue to partner with DSOs, continue to come up with innovative ways to win the gray area with those no AA products, and then do conversion opportunities to be able to help drive growth. Those are all things that we're seeing good growth with, and we want to be able to continue that and get through the Q2.

We're excited about getting through the first half, and then we'll lay out what it means for second half of next year.

Shirley Stacy
VP of Corporate Communications and Investor Relations, Align Technology

One thing I would build on that Jonathan just said, in addition to the technology, is just the continued expansion outside of the United States, right? The emerging markets are still very fertile opportunity.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Have built up, to your point, Shirley, where they're no longer insignificant. If they're executing and they're growing, you're starting to see they have some sort of an impact on the numbers.

Shirley Stacy
VP of Corporate Communications and Investor Relations, Align Technology

Yeah.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Maybe last couple questions for me. DSOs, Jon, I'm getting more and more questions. In Americas, it's about 35% of your volume?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

That's right. Yeah. In North America.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

In North America. Outside of North America?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Total globe from about 25%.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Total worldwide?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Total worldwide.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Broadly speaking, do we think about it as lower gross margin, higher op margin because cost to serve is lower? How do we view?

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

I wouldn't say gross margin. Gross margin is very comparable to the rest of the business because they do a lot of work, the DSO partners. They create the templates with us to be able to have the product that they want based on the protocols so that the treatment planning, some of the back and forth is not there. They've really migrated to mainly some of these more lower AA-type products. For us, from a gross margin standpoint, we feel good about the work that we've had with the DSOs. Certainly, when you get down to op margin in terms of the work that they're doing, the training that they provide, some of the efforts that they have from the local marketing and so on, that's something that they're driving and we're not having to spend on.

It's a really good partnership that we have with our DSO. They really take the approach that we can bring where we bring scale, we bring technology, and we bring brand. All of our DSOs are taking some aspect of what we bring to the business and being able to see that outsized growth.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

To conclude sort of positive mix shift from a margin perspective as well.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

It's

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

If they continue to I'll be happy if independents leapfrog them and go to 15% growth.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Yeah. No.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Positive mix shift there.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

We will see that too. Look, they're a force multiplier for us. We see that benefit through those partners, and we want to continue that.

Jonathan Block
Managing Director, Healthcare, Stifel

Okay. Fantastic. Any last-minute questions? Align team, thank you very much. Great to see you.

John Morici
CFO, Align Technology

Thank you.

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