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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 4, 2023

Operator

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Autolus Therapeutics Q1 2023 financial results conference call and operational progress. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising you that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, simply press star one one again. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Alexandra Deschner, Investor Relations Consultant. Alexandra, please go ahead.

Alexandra Deschner
Investor Relations Consultant, Autolus Therapeutics

Thank you so much, Eric. Good morning or good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us to take part in today's call for Autolus's Q1 2023 financial results and operational highlights. I'm Alexandra Deschner, investor relations consultant for Autolus. With me today are Dr. Christian Itin, our Chief Executive Officer, and Dr. Lucinda Crabtree, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that during today's call, we will make statements related to our business that are forward-looking under federal securities laws and the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These may include, but are not limited to, statements regarding the status of clinical trials and developments and/or regulatory timelines for our product candidates and our expectations regarding our cash runway.

These statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations and reflect our views only as of today. We assume no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. For a discussion of the material risks and uncertainties that could affect our actual results, please refer to the risks identified in today's press release and our SEC filings, both available on the investor section of our website. On slide three, you will see the agenda for today's call, which is as follows. Christian will provide an overview of our operational highlights for the Q1 of 2023. Lucy will then discuss the company's Q1 2023 financial results before Christian will conclude with upcoming milestones and any other concluding comments. We will of course, welcome your questions. Over to you, Christian?

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thank you, Amanda, and good morning to you all. Thank you for joining us. It's my pleasure to review our progress for the Q1 in 2023. Moving to slide number four. We're really pleased with our program and operational progress during the Q1 of 2023, which is highlighted over the next three slides. We're making good progress with our pipeline of CAR T programs, particularly with our lead product, obe-cel, in relapsed refractory adult ALL patients. You will recall that we announced in December that the phase II pivotal clinical trial of obe-cel in this patient population have met its primary endpoint based on a pre-planned interim analysis of 50 patients with morphological disease and as verified by an independent data monitoring committee. This positive data triggered a $35 million milestone from our partner, Blackstone Life Sciences, earlier than anticipated.

We're looking forward to presenting the top-line data of the FELIX study in an oral presentation at the American Society of Clinical Oncology Annual Meeting on June 2 in Chicago, and a second oral presentation at the European Hematology Association Congress being held from the 8th to the 11th of June in Frankfurt. Updates on longer follow-up and additional sub-analysis of the data are planned for the American Society of Hematology meeting at the end of 2023, as well as at medical conferences in the first half of 2024. Operationally, the key goal for obe-cel is the filing for a Biologics License Application to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration by the end of this year. In February, Dr.

Claire Roddie from UCL presented long-term follow-up data from our adult ALL patients in the ALLCAR19, phase I study of obe-cel at the tandem meetings of ASTCT and CIBMTR. The data demonstrated that 35% of adult patients remained in complete remission without additional anti-leukemia therapy at a median follow-up of 36 months, with ranges from 24-48 months. We're now looking at the broader range of development options for obe-cel and AUTO1/22 beyond adult patients with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. In the old CAR extension study, we have reported obe-cel's high level of clinical activity and well manageable safety profile across non-Hodgkin's lymphoma indications and chronic lymphocytic leukemia. We're completing enrollment in this study and expect to report final data in a peer-reviewed publication.

In the CAROUSEL study, we evaluate obe-cel in peripheral CNS lymphoma. We have completed enrollment and continue to see consistent and encouraging safety and efficacy. With adequate follow-up, we are planning to publish the full data in a peer-reviewed journal as well. We're following with interest the early and very encouraging results from the team of Georg Schett and Andreas Mackensen at the University of Erlangen in Germany in patients with refractory systemic lupus and related B-cell mediated autoimmune diseases treated with an academic CD19 CAR T product.

Considering obe-cel's excellent activity and safety profile, combined with our commercial manufacturing base, this set of indications may become an attractive additional opportunity for the program. In an oral presentation at the 49th European Bone Marrow and Transplant Meeting in April, our key investigators, Doctor Sara Ghorashian and Persis Amrolia from Great Ormond Street Hospital in London, presented updated data from AUTO1/22, our CD19 and CD22 dual-targeting CAR T product candidate. Kymriah ineligible pediatric ALL patients showed a high level of clinical activity and good tolerability, with over 80% of patients achieving a molecular complete remission, with no antigen negative relapses seen with a median follow-up of 8.7 months. Included also were patients who had relapsed after Kymriah therapy with CD19 negative disease.

Additionally, data on the molecular design of AUTO1/22 and preclinical characterizations were published in Molecular Therapy in March and highlighted the state-of-the-art design of AUTO1/22 with its high sensitivity CD22 chimeric antigen receptor and the efficient co-targeting leveraging obe-cel's CD19 chimeric antigen receptor. Turning to slide five and other pipeline updates. We're looking forward to updating the progress with the AUTO4 peripheral T-cell lymphoma program in an oral presentation at the International Conference on Malignant Lymphoma in Lugano, Switzerland in June as well. Finally, we continue to enroll patients into the MCARTY phase I trial of AUTO8 in multiple myeloma and expect first data at the end of this year and expect to dose the first patient in the phase I trial of AUTO6NG in neuroblastoma this year as well. Turning now to slide number six.

We've continued progress against our strategic and operational goals throughout the quarter. The company's new 70,000 sq ft commercial manufacturing facility in Stevenage in the U.K. has continued to progress on track. Key equipment installation and validation were completed by Autolus in the Q1 of 2023, enabling operational qualifications commencing now in the Q2 of 2023. This facility will have an initial capacity of up to 2,000 batches per year, sufficient to serve the global demand in adult ALL. Just 18 months from groundbreaking, we're now working on the qualification and validation of the nucleus facility and remain on track for good manufacturing practice operations commencing in the second half of this year. We're also undertaking the development work and report generation for the CMC package planned to support a BLA submission to the FDA. Our industry-leading cell programming platform creates opportunities for collaboration and licensing.

Through our relationships with BMS at Moderna, we added in Q1 a partnership with Cabaletta, granting them access to our proprietary RQR8 rituximab-induced safety switch for incorporation into a set of selected cell therapy programs. In January, we also announced two changes to the board of directors. The company's non-executive chairman, John Johnson, who has held the role since September 2021, will not stand for re-election at the Autolus upcoming annual shareholder meeting. Additionally, at the end of February, Dr. Jay T. Backstrom, who had served on Autolus' board of directors since August 2020, stepped down from the board after taking on a public CEO role at Scholar Rock. We also announced a change to our management team with Lucinda Crabtree, our CFO, also on the line today, stepping down or planning to step down in August 2023 to pursue a new opportunity.

Searches for successors for these posts are underway. Finally, total cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash at the end of March were $343.4 million. We've had a diversified treasury approach in place, which served us well during the Silicon Valley Bank meltdown. We continue to diligently monitor developments in the financial sector. Moving on to slide number seven. There are also several post-period events I'd like to bring to your attention. Last week, we announced that we had selected Cardinal Health as a core distributor for obe-cel, giving us the platform and distribution capabilities required to commercialize a CAR T-cell therapy in the U.S. Cardinal Health's innovative depot model is intended to reduce delivery time by allowing for transit while product release is being finalized.

Alongside this, we continue to build out Autolus' own commercial infrastructure and are working towards onboarding the clinical centers over the course of this year. At last week's last week, we held a virtual capital markets day that presented the positioning and commercial opportunity for obe-cel. The event started with Professor Lori Muffly from Stanford University reviewing the disease therapeutic options and medical need for adult patients with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Professor Claire Roddie from UCL then introduced obe-cel and the initial clinical experience in patients with ALL, followed by a video presentation of one of her patients and her experiences of living with ALL, with an ALL diagnosis, as well as her experience with the treatment regimen. With this deepened understanding of the physicians' and patients' view of this challenging disease, Dr. Matthew Gitlin talked about the ALL market and the perspective payers are taking.

In particular, he looked at the cost of patient management and the impact on hospitals and payers, highlighting the substantial impact on cost of managing high-grade cytokine release syndromes and ICANS. Finally, Christopher Vann, Autolus's Chief Operating Officer, walked through the commercial roadmap for obe-cel. We believe it was a very informative and well-attended event, and for anyone who missed it, a replay is on the events section of Autolus' website available to you. Finally, we recently announced the publication of two papers, the first of which included the publication of the preclinical data for AUTO1/22 in Molecular Therapy, which I mentioned earlier. The second, published in Molecular Therapy - Nucleic Acids, focused on a new set of cell programming modules based on novel Fas/TNFR receptor chimeras. This technology converts a threat to the CAR T-cell into an activating or survival signal instead.

We're borrowing here from a martial arts principle of taking an incoming blow and rolling with it. Slide eight, obe-cel, moving to obe-cel. With that, also moving forward to slide nine. Obe-cel has a unique mechanism of action. What's fundamentally different about our product candidate that it has an ability to engage physiologically with the target cell, rapidly binding to the target, which delivers specificity, and paired with a fast off rate for rapid disengagement from the target once the cell kill has been delivered. This unique engagement drives maximal activity while minimizing toxicity, and is at the heart of the differentiated clinical profile we are observing for obe-cel in ALL and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Moving to slide ten. Our clinical experience with obe-cel in ALL shows a high overall response rate across all patient populations evaluated.

In our prior ALLCAR19 study, we have 35% of patients in long-term remission at 36 months of median follow-up, with a range of 24-48 months after receiving obe-cel and without receiving any further anti-leukemia therapy. The safety profile is well manageable, with low levels of high-grade cytokine release syndrome and ICANS. The midsection of the slide shows the patients with long-term remissions have continued presence of CAR T-cells over the entire observation period, pointing to CAR T-cell persistence as an indicator for long-term outcome. The program is developed under an RMAT, PRIME, and ILAP designation. Moving to slide 11. We've now completed the enrollment and dosing of our pivotal study, which we call the FELIX study, in adult patients with relapsed refractory ALL.

As I mentioned, we announced in December that we have met the primary endpoint based on the overall response rate at an interim analysis on the first 50 patients followed for at least three months. Clinical benefit in ALL will be assessed based on patients remaining in a sustained complete remission. We conducted this study in 34 centers, 24 centers in the U.S., seven centers in the U.K., and three centers in Spain, enrolling patients from July 2021 to November 2022 during the peak infection period of the pandemic. It's important to realize that relapsed refractory adult ALL patients are highly immune suppressed, and the pandemic posed a significant added risk to them. Moreover, due to access restrictions and various other pandemic rules and regulations, we could actually not access our clinical trial sites for the most part of the FELIX study.

This is about as difficult a population to work with as you can imagine, particularly in an environment where there is a high risk of infection, and indeed, we did lose a few patients to COVID. In many ways, this was more of a real-world study conducted under difficult circumstances. In addition to patient safety, every aspect of product delivery and logistics were pressure tested during the trial with massively reduced air traffic and other impacts of the pandemic in our manufacturing teams. Remarkably, manufacturing for all patients from our facility in the U.K. turned out to be an asset also for U.S. delivery, as the long-haul flights from the U.S. to the U.K. have priority over domestic flights. We're pleased that we got it done under such challenging circumstances and credits to our patients and their caregivers, clinical collaborators, and the whole Autolus team for this achievement.

As mentioned earlier, next key data is planned in oral presentations at ASCO and EHA in early June 2023. Moving to slide number 12. This slide summarizes the announcement we made in December regarding the pre-specified interim analysis of the first 50 out of 90 patients dosed and have reached at least 3 months of follow-up. The primary endpoint is based on overall remission rate, which includes patients in complete remission and patients in complete remission with incomplete bone marrow recovery or CR and CRI. The ORR was 70%. All recent programs in ALL have used ORR as the primary endpoint in their respective studies. Safety analysis was conducted on a larger 92 patient dataset and showed an excellent profile with high-grade cytokine release experienced in less than 3% of patients and high-grade ICANS in less than 8%.

ICANS were fully reversible, less than 25% of patients had any grade of neurotoxicity. In contrast to approved T-cell or T-cell engaging therapies, a very unusual profile in this patient population. As I mentioned earlier, the data triggered a $35 million milestone from Blackstone. Moving to slide 13. This slide summarizes our current experience with obe-cel across ALL. As you can see, the data are highly consistent across the various studies, both on safety and efficacy. Worth noting is that CARPALL and ALLCAR were conducted prior to the pandemic.

While both parts of the FELIX study were conducted during the pandemic, both the CARPALL and ALLCAR19 studies were conducted in the U.K., while the FELIX study was largely conducted in the U.S. What we did pick up is that the patients in the FELIX study were more advanced in their disease based on tumor burden and increased presence of so-called extramedullary disease. This is, in essence, again, a function of the leukemia that allows it to leave the bone marrow and successfully settle and grow in other organs. Patients with extramedullary disease respond poorly to anti-leukemia therapies. Moving to slide 14 to look at further into the data we presented at ASH from the ALLCAR19 study.

When we look at, into the outcome or long-term observation from the ALLCAR19 study, where we have up to four years of follow-up, you can see the unusually, quite an unusual profile. We can see the clinical benefit in these patients is the ability to convert patients into complete remission, sustain them over time without additional therapy. As you can see, obviously, a substantial proportion of the patients are indeed in sustained therapy. If you go from bottom up, you can see at the bottom patients that obviously did not respond. We have then a group of patients that did respond but relapsed quickly, including patients that had lost the CD19 antigen. We've then a group of patients that actually relapsed with CD19-positive disease. Those are patients that have lost persistence of the CAR T product.

There is the top group with the long, green survival lines, where you can see patients that actually are in continued remission. In fact, those are also patients that have continued presence or persistence of CAR T-cells. Overall, obviously, it gives us a lot of confidence in terms of the consistency of data, the data, understanding the reasons when patients actually do relapse and what the causes for that relapse are, and obviously, the proportion of patients that are in ongoing remission without any additional therapeutic need. Turning to slide 15, I thought it might help here to give you an overview of the ALL treatment landscape as it stands. The figure on the right represents the NCCN guidelines for the treatment of relapsed refractory ALL, and you can see it is sort of has two main arms.

The low arm actually looks at T-cell lymphoma, which is a subset and relatively small group of patients. The upper two arms actually include B-cell lymphoma, sorry, B-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia, with that, the disease setting that we're focusing on. We can also see that we see three novel therapeutics that are being incorporated into that scheme over the past 10 years. The first is blinatumomab or Blincyto. This is a bispecific T-cell engaging anti-CD19 therapeutic antibody. It's given as a continuous intravenous infusion for 28 days as a cycle. These cycles can be repeated with two weeks of intervals in between the cycles.

The patient starts at the hospital and are, and eventually are discharged from the hospital with a container or a bag that actually contains the product that is continuously delivered through a central port over the entirety of a treatment cycle. These bags are being changed typically once weekly, and by a nurse that actually usually visits the patients at home to sort of support the therapy. These cycles can be repeated, but obviously, the patient needs to be in a remission for a continued cycle or a next cycle to be received. The product is obviously very active, and it's particularly active in patients that have low disease burden.

Unfortunately, like with all therapeutic options today available for adult patients with ALL, while the product is very active, it does not actually lead to long-term remissions. That is one of the fundamental challenges that we have in the field, is that we have active therapies, but we have a hard time converting those effects and responses into long-term remissions. The next therapeutic that we're looking at is inotuzumab or Besponsa. This is an antibody conjugated drug therapy. It is directed to CD22, which is expressed on most B-cells that can form ALL. This drug is also associated with a very high response rate, but also, like Blincyto, is not curative, in fact, is usually used as a bridge to transplant.

The newest product that is available is brexucab or Tecartus, which was approved in 2021, which is the first CAR T-cell therapy approved for adult ALL patients. Both Blincyto and Tecartus, which are leveraging or utilizing T-cells, do show similar types of immunological toxicities, which are CRS and ICANS, whereas Besponsa can cause liver toxicity. Overall, we do have obviously a view that if you have a product that has a high level of clinical activity with a well manageable safety profile, obviously is very attractive for patients with B-ALL. And if that product actually can translate into at least a proportion of the patients in long-term remission, I think that would represent a big step forward. Moving to slide 16 to look at the data from these programs in the space.

Blincyto, as I mentioned, is a T-cell engaging CD19 targeting monoclonal bispecific antibody, or a T-cell that has become the standard of care in relapsed refractory ALL, as over the last few years. Key to its success have been the well manageable safety profile. Key focus from a patient management perspective is the monitoring of ICANS, which impact about two-thirds of the patients. In contrast, if you look at obe-cel, obviously substantially more patients do experience ICANS. As I mentioned before, we've seen about 25% of the patients experiencing ICANS with obe-cel. High-grade CRS for Blincyto is relatively low at around 5% level, and obe-cel seems to be similar, potentially slightly better in terms of the high-grade cytokine release syndrome level.

In contrast to Blincyto, Tecartus induces high-grade CRS in a substantially higher proportion of patients, in 26% of the patients, and high-grade neurotoxicity, it reaches about 35%, while 87% of patients experience neurotoxicity of any grade. 40% of patients receive vasopressors. This is a challenging safety profile to manage and often requires access to ICU. We look at inotuzumab, while obviously active, the program has liver toxicity and is primarily used as a bridge to transplant. None of the therapies establish long-term remissions without subsequent stem cell transplant. Moving to slide 17. The market opportunity in ALL is unchanged, obviously as a consequence of the fact that we didn't actually see any significant move with regards to patients having long-term remissions.

We still see, as we've seen about 10 years ago, 3,000 patients in high medical need for therapy between the U.S., Europe, and Japan. Moving to slide 18. When we look at the actual size of the market, we always look for good surrogates, and we believe that the sales of Blincyto are actually a good surrogate for our product. Firstly, in that Blincyto has obviously got a very similar mechanism of action being CD19 T-cell engaging agent. Secondly, it's used largely in the same indication, has a similar albeit somewhat higher CRS and ICANS level. Around 80% of the Blincyto sales come from adult ALL, and around 20% of the sales from pediatric ALL. Very importantly, it's got a similar type of toxicity profile to obe-cel, as just reviewed above.

The safety profile allows use of Blincyto in a broad range of centers, not just in the academic transplant centers. Indeed, Blincyto's had a record quarter in Q1, growing 41% year-over-year with sales of $194 million reached in the Q1 . If we were to prudently assume quarterly sales remain constant and do not grow any further, we estimate that full year sales could reach approximately $800 million, which corresponds to year-over-year growth of about 33%. This development highlights the meaningful commercial opportunity in adult ALL, which is driven by the well manageable safety profile of Blincyto. Amgen reports a key driver for the increase is attributable to an expansion of the number of treatment centers where Blincyto is being used.

We're also seeing that many CAR T centers are now also expanding their capacity for delivering CAR T cell therapy. Both Blincyto and ultimately obe-cel have the potential to be used in a broader range of hospitals. Prices for CAR T therapy in the U.S. are in the range of $450,000-$500,000. Moving to slide 19. When we look at the steps forward, first of all, we're planning to disclose FELIX data in an oral presentation at ASCO and also EHA. Long-term follow-up and additional sub-analysis are planned for ASH. We're targeting the BLA submission for the program towards the end of this year, MAA filing towards the end of the Q1 in 2024, and the U.K. filing in the Q2 of next year.

That sets up very nicely for the key territories that we expect to be initially active in. In addition to the mature clinical data, the submission will also require data from the validation of our commercial manufacturing site. This work has been a key focus throughout the first half of 2023, and will do so into the Q3 Importantly, our commercial manufacturing facility is set up to cover supply for approximately 2/3 of the estimated market from the start. We've talked about selecting Cardinal Health as our U.S. distribution partner, which is an important step. As we're moving through 2023, we need to prepare the key areas for commercialization. We're creating awareness for the program through a focused medical affairs program.

Alongside this, we are establishing the value proposition for payers in our HTA dossiers, and finally, preparing for and starting center onboarding, a process that will take between nine to 15 months to get each center ready to deliver CAR T therapy. Slide 20. Moving to slide 21 to talk about the broader opportunity that we see with obe-cel. As part of the ALLCAR19 study, we've been evaluating obe-cel in relapsed refractory non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in CLL patients. We see consistently very high response rates combined with a very attractive safety profile suitable for outpatient use. That data will form the basis for the selection of the second indication after ALL. In terms of the life cycle, we're working on the next generation version of obe-cel with AUTO1/22.

We're looking to minimize CD19 antigen loss during relapses with this dual targeting approach. Building on obe-cel, we are adding a highly potent CD22 CAR that can recognize very low amounts of CD22 on the surface of leukemia cells. This program was initially evaluated in children who had failed Kymriah or were not eligible for Kymriah therapy. In this very challenging population, we saw 83% molecular response rate, and this included also patients who had CD19 negative disease, demonstrating the efficacy of the CD22 CAR in isolation. Crucially, amongst the responding patients with a median follow-up of 8.7 months, where there have been no cases of leukemic relapse or emergence of MRD related to antigen escape.

Together, these data indicate that combining our optimized CD22 CAR design with the CD19 CAR used in obe-cel may be effective in preventing antigen loss-driven relapse in pediatric B-ALL. We're working in further streamlining the manufacturing process for AUTO1/22, knowing that we have an attractive life cycle option. Timing of investment decision in AUTO1/22 will be balanced with additional investments for obe-cel. Switching gears and headed to slide 23. Our technology platform allows us to engineer a range of properties into T-cells that drive specific specificity of recognition, resilience against negative signals used by tumors to evade T-cell attack, and provide survival signals for T-cells. Our strength in T-cell engineering drives our pipeline and is also at the heart of the three collaborations that I've mentioned, which we reported on in 2022 and early 2023 with Moderna, BMS and Cabaletta.

On slide 24, we have a quick summary of the earlier stage programs in T-cell lymphoma with AUTO4/5, AUTO6NG in neuroblastoma, and AUTO8 in multiple myeloma. AUTO4 and AUTO8 are in phase I clinical studies, and AUTO6NG is expected to start during the course of the year. Moving to slide 25. T-cell lymphoma has a very high medical need similar to B-ALL. In fact, when you look at the NCCN guideline, it basically says that once you're through the frontline therapy and you relapse, you have to look for a clinical trial. Moving to slide 26. With its unique targeting approach, AUTO4 starts to show meaningful clinical impact at the higher dose levels that we have explored. The first metabolic CRs are reaching one year post-treatment, and we continue to follow the patients.

In addition, we have streamlined the manufacturing process and are exploring the activity in an additional cohort, and we're planning to report data at the ICML conference in June. Moving to slide 28 to talk about manufacturing. Cell manufacturing is obviously at the core of any autologous cell therapy. Developing a highly reliable, robust, and economical process is critical for the success of any program. In addition, we have to be able to deliver product at scale and matching capacity to the size of the medical need, which is important for a successful rollout of any therapy. Building on the robust and very well-characterized process used to manufacture for the FELIX clinical study, we're standing up our commercial cell manufacturing facility called The Nucleus, about a mile away from the clinical trial manufacturing site.

This proximity is important as we will be able to move our entire staff to the facility, the new facility, many, in fact, of our employees are already in the process of validating The Nucleus facility. The capacity of The Nucleus in its initial setup reaches 2,000 patient batches per year or about two-thirds of the adult ALL market size. The Nucleus has been a fantastic project to realize with innovative design at about 75% off-site building to accelerate the building while maximizing the quality of the build. Moving to slide 29, which is the intro slide to the financial section. With that, I would like to turn to slide 30 and pass the call over to Lucy for our Q1 2023 financial update. Lucy?

Lucinda Crabtree
CFO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thanks, Christian. Good morning or good afternoon to everyone. It's my pleasure to review our financial results for the Q1 ended March 31st, 2023. Cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash at March 31st, 2023 totaled $343.4 million as compared to $382.8 million at December 31st, 2022. Net total operating expenses for the three months ended March 31st, 2023 were $43.1 million, net of license revenue of $1.3 million, as compared to net total operating expenses of $41.8 million, net of grant income of $0.2 million for the same period in 2022.

Research and development expenses decreased by $2.7 million to $31.3 million for the three months ended March 31, 2023, from $34 million for the three months ended March 31, 2022, primarily due to a decrease of $5.5 million in clinical trial and manufacturing costs, which is offset by an increase of $0.8 million in manufacturing material costs due to increased validation activities undertaken, primarily related to our obe-cel clinical product candidate. A decrease of $0.2 million in depreciation and amortization related to property, plant and equipment and intangible assets due to the reduction in our depreciable asset base. A decrease of $0.1 million in legal fees and professional consulting fees in relation to our research and development activities.

An increase of $1.4 million in salaries and other employment-related costs, including share-based compensation expense, which was primarily driven by an increase in the number of employees engaged in R&D activities. An increase of $0.7 million related to information technology infrastructure and support for information systems related to the conduct of clinical trials and manufacturing operations. Finally, an increase of $0.2 million in facilities costs related to our new manufacturing facility, The Nucleus in Stevenage, U.K., as well as increases in costs related to maintaining our current leased properties. General and administrative expenses increased by $1.3 million to $9.3 million for the three months ended March thirty-first, 2023, from $8 million for the three months ended March thirty-first, 2022, primarily due to the following.

An increase of $0.7 million in salaries and other employment-related costs, including share-based compensation expenses, which was primarily driven by an increase in the number of employees engaged in G&A activities. An increase of $0.7 million in commercial readiness costs due to increased commercial readiness activities being undertaken. An increase of $0.1 million in general office supplies and expenses, facilities costs due to the increase in space utilized for G&A activities. A decrease of $0.2 million, primarily related to a reduction in directors and officers liability insurance premiums, legal and professional fees. For the three months ended March 31, 2023, we recognized a loss on disposal of property and equipment of $3.8 million related to fixed assets no longer being utilized in the manufacturing facility exited in Stevenage, U.K.

There were no such disposals for the three months ended March 31st, 2022. Other income net decreased to $0.8 million from $0.9 million for the three months ended March 31st, 2023 and 2022 respectively. The decrease of $0.1 million is primarily due to the recognition of a lease termination loss arising from the termination and exit of one of our manufacturing suites in Stevenage, U.K. Interest income increased to $3.4 million for the three months ended March 31st, 2023 as compared to $28,000 for the three months ended March 31st, 2022. The increase in interest income of $3.4 million primarily relates to the increase in interest rates on our interest-bearing bank accounts and short-term investments during the three months ended March 31st, 2023 compared to the prior period.

Interest expense increased to $4.9 million for the three months ended March 31st, 2023 as compared to $1.8 million for the three months ended March 31st, 2022. Interest expense is primarily related to the liability for future royalties and sales milestones net associated with our strategic collaboration agreement with Blackstone. Net loss attributable to ordinary shareholders was $39.8 million for the three months ended March 31st, 2023, compared to $37.1 million for the same period in 2022. The basic and diluted net loss per ordinary share for the three months ended March 31st, 2023 totaled $0.23 compared to a basic and diluted net loss per ordinary share of $0.41 for the three months ended March 31st, 2022.

Autolus estimates that its current cash and cash equivalents on hand and anticipated future milestone payment from Blackstone will extend the company's runway into 2025. With that, I'll hand it back to Christian to give you a brief outlook on expected milestones. Christian.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thanks, Lucy. Moving to slide 32. To summarize, we think we have an exciting time ahead of us. Obviously key focus on getting obe-cel into the regulatory process with the BLA filing targeted towards the end of the year, followed by filings in Europe in the first half of next year. Next up, our planned FELIX presentations, data presentations, ASCO, EHA. In addition, we're preparing for commercial product supply and launch readiness. We also expect to provide updates on the pipeline programs with additional data and follow up during the year, with our key programs that at this point are unpartnered and obviously create opportunity for setting up collaborations around them. Moving to slide 33. We got the cash deliver a very significant value step.

We've got the data to show that with obe-cel we have a differentiated product profile that addresses a high medical need with limited competition and with possibly a transformational outcome. Alongside that, we have additional opportunities for obe-cel in broader indications and a valuable pipeline for other oncology programs. As I mentioned, we're excited about our manufacturing facility and we have a strong technology foundation validated by our collaborators BMS, Moderna, Cabaletta, which recognize the value of our technology platform and allows us to monetize this value by way of option exercise fees, milestone payments, et cetera. Importantly, we look to do more deals also of this nature in the future. With that, I would like to thank you first for listening to our prepared remarks, and we're happy to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, simply press star one one again. All right, please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Mara Goldstein with Mizuho. Mara, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Mara Goldstein
Managing Director of Equity Research Department, Mizuho

Great. Thanks so much for taking the questions. So a couple things. One is, I'm just curious about the data disclosure on FELIX at ASCO versus EHA. Will there be anything that's, you know, different or incremental at EHA? Then on the AUTO8 program, and data, expectation for data this year, can you speak to what the totality of that could look like? You know, how many patients you might have data on?

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Yeah. First off, thanks a lot joining for joining, Mara, thanks for the question. The data that we're planning to release at ASCO and EHA, obviously are similar overall. What we're currently looking into is to look at certain additional sub-analyses that we could actually include into the EHA presentation. Obviously the data cut for the two presentations is obviously the same because they're literally a few days apart. There's gonna be probably slight differences in some of the sub-analyses that we'll be, we'll be discussing. In terms of the further flow of data that we go, in terms of this, the totality of the data, obviously we have enrolled a little bit more than 90 patients, which we'll be reporting on.

That gives us obviously a very good, I think understanding of the overall profile of the product. It gives us, I think a good, first look in terms of follow-up. Obviously by the end of the year we'll be able to add an additional, you know, about six months of follow-up, which will give us and start to give us, I think, a pretty good sense...

Mara Goldstein
Managing Director of Equity Research Department, Mizuho

Mm-hmm.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

of where the product is sort of trending to.

Mara Goldstein
Managing Director of Equity Research Department, Mizuho

Okay. If I could just ask, since you included it in the sort of news flow on a pipeline under collaborations, is there anything specifically related to the current collaborators that you think might occur in this year? Is this a reference to potential new collaborations?

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

I think we'll keep that open. Both of those outcomes are possible.

Mara Goldstein
Managing Director of Equity Research Department, Mizuho

Okay. Thanks.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thanks, Mara.

Operator

Stand by for our next caller. Our next question comes from Matthew Phipps with William Blair. Matthew, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Matthew Phipps
Partner and Group Head of Biotechnology Equity Research, William Blair

Hi, thanks for taking my call, question. The autoimmune indications obviously pretty interesting, and Novartis and Bristol talked those up pretty significantly last week during their own earnings calls, planning to move a kind of more rapid manufacturing process of their CAR Ts into those indications. Do you think you'll take obe-cel as is right into the autoimmune? Would you look to maybe add any safety modules, just, you know, in case of adverse events in that population? I just wondering, do you have any thoughts on what the ideal durability of a CAR T is in an autoimmune disease? Is this something where you need consistent B-cell aplasia, or it's more of a, you know, reset of the B-cell compartment?

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Very good questions, Matt, and thanks for joining. Obviously, I think we all have been, you know, watching the team in Erlangen very closely and had the opportunity to also review the data obviously much more closely as well. I think what we're seeing is quite an interesting profile in that the reset of the B-cell compartment though it seems to be important for two in a number of ways. What it basically would show or shows is that once the compartment is properly reset that over time, although B-cells eventually come back, it doesn't look like the autoreactive B-cells are coming back. It appears to be actually a longer term effect.

Obviously, the follow-up is still limited, but it looks very encouraging in that regard that it could actually have been a proper reset of the compartment. The exact duration for how long you actually have to have B-cell aplasia to achieve that goal, I think is very difficult to tell. What we do see is that, in these, you know, patients that have overall a relatively normal immune system, obviously they're not like ALL patients who've not gone through the same kind of rigor of therapeutic pressure. We do see actually that the persistence actually is not as long as in some of the products that were being graduated to what we're seeing in ALL, as an example, or in other indications.

There seems there's probably gonna be a bit of a difference, but I think there is sort of a certain amount of period that you would like to see, the B-cell aplasia to be in place to be sure that you really captured all these potentially autoreactive B-cells and be sure that you have it properly set. I think there's more to be learned in the space around that. I think at this point, probably premature to sort of actually give you an exact number because I think it's just not known. In terms of design, we believe the design of the product actually is a really good design. It fits very well.

Obviously, with the safety profile that we've now demonstrated, you know, in a number of different indications with very different challenging patients, I think sets us up very well in that setting. Then the final bit is obviously you have to be able to manufacture efficiently and also at the reasonable cost level. That's obviously one of the key areas we've been focusing on for obe-cel, and we believe we are very well positioned.

Matthew Phipps
Partner and Group Head of Biotechnology Equity Research, William Blair

Thanks, Christian. I have one quick follow-up. For the AUTO4 update at ICML, will that include the full cohort of patients that were treated with the streamlined manufacturing process?

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Probably not the full cohort as far as I can tell at this point, but it's gonna be some additional update, obviously a longer follow-up with the patients, as well as some translational data that I think will be helpful, to understand kind of what the introduction of TRAP is.

Matthew Phipps
Partner and Group Head of Biotechnology Equity Research, William Blair

Great. Okay, thanks for taking the questions.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

All right. Thanks a lot, Matt.

Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from Yanan Xu from Wells Fargo Securities. Yanan, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Yanan Xu
Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hi. Thanks for taking our questions. You mentioned that the FELIX study was enrolled during the pandemic and that presented some challenges such as patient loss to COVID-19. I was wondering whether conducting a study during the pandemic could have also affected the response rate or duration of response and other metrics of the study's endpoints. Around the same line of thinking, I was wondering whether the second half of the enrolled population was in any way less affected by the pandemic due to the timing of enrollment. Lastly, regardless of pandemic impact, I was wondering whether the second half of the enrolled patients have any differences in terms of their disease severity, such as extramedullary disease involvement compared with the first 50 patients in the interim analysis. Thank you for taking the questions.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Well, thanks a lot, Yanan. These are very insightful questions. Obviously one of the things that, you know, we certainly were keenly observing, but also, you know, we're concerned about as we're going through the involvement of the study. Obviously, you've seen the data for the interim analysis. Obviously, we have a very high level of response rate. We have an excellent safety profile.

I think overall, we do know that the program has done really well in this, in this population and during this period of time. Now one of the key things that we're in the process of evaluating, but we don't have the full answers at this point, is what are sort of the individual impact that we could see during that period of time attributable to the conditions that we were having, you know, restrictions on travel for patients, which led to delays for some of the patients to actually get access to treatment, et cetera. A number of variables there. As you pointed out, you know, this is not a constant, but it was, you know, a period where we had a lot of activity on the infection cycle in the Q1 of 2022.

you know, the difference is if you look beforehand and if you look afterwards. We'll do a full analysis of that. We'll evaluate that in more detail. I'm sure, we're gonna be, just, you know, basically presenting that data in more detail at one of the later conferences, most likely, looking at ASH for kind of a full review of that. I think at this point it's premature, I think, to speculate on the questions you were asking. I think they're all very good questions and they're exact questions that we're evaluating in the data and we're looking for, you know, various potential, signs of impact et cetera over time. We'll absolutely gonna share that with you, once these analyses are completed.

We also have enough follow-up on all patients to understand the full impact that might have been there.

Yanan Xu
Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Understood. Thanks for taking the question.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thanks, Yanan.

Operator

Okay, please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from Gil Blum from Needham & Company. Gil, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Gil Blum
Senior Biotech Analyst, Needham & Company

Good morning everyone, and thanks for taking our question. Just one for multiple myeloma here. It feels like, you know, the field is getting, the standards are getting higher and higher. I have to admit there is evidence to show that dual targeting can be a good approach. Given the early stage of your program, where do you think, you know, this treatment could fit, and what is the best strategy to move it forward and maybe going allogeneic in some way? I'd love your insights here.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Yeah, very good question, Gil. Obviously an interesting field and I think a field we're all learning a lot about. Obviously we have on the one hand, we have, you know, remarkable data coming out of the approved programs in early line therapy. I think that is certainly one of the key areas where I think, you know, everyone can be really excited about and we hope that this obviously will have a big impact on patients. At the same time, we do see a, a massive gap between the demand for therapy and the interest for therapy and the actual ability to deliver the therapy.

That certainly has been sort of one of the, one of the biggest challenges that I think we've seen in the field, is that ability to deliver the market and to serve the market, is at this point, you know, very far apart and quite disconnected. That obviously, you know, on the one hand, is a real challenge to manage because there are a lot of patients that would need access to therapy and do not have that access.

On the other hand, it also points to the fact that there is room for a certain number of additional programs to actually help serve the market and to really be able to sort of provide that, you know, remarkable type of transition and activity that we have seen to a larger patient pool. When we look in terms of the profiles, and I think some of the areas that we obviously would want to see is, I think with the, in this disease setting, you'd like to see a product that has a safety profile that can sort of be managed and handled in a broader range of centers, not just at a smaller number of academic transplant centers, but be able to go more broadly than that.

I think safety is important, also, with the age sort of average of the population as well. The other aspect I think is that we obviously haven't yet seen whether those initial remarkable activities do translate into true long-term outcomes. I think that's an area that I think we will keep watching. Certainly when we look at the ability to go after potentially driving cells, which is one of the reasons why we're including a CD19 component into AUTO 8, but also having a more sustained presence and of the product and persistence, may actually be helpful to sort of actually create longer term outcomes. That's what we're interesting in understanding, interested in understanding from our own product from AUTO 8.

It's one of the key things we're evaluating, in this, initial phase I study. I think depending on the outcome, I think there are sort of different paths that we can take from there forward. I think it's somewhat premature in the absence of the data to sort of guide on a particular path.

Gil Blum
Senior Biotech Analyst, Needham & Company

Thank you, Christian. Very helpful. Just a quick one on AUTO4. How is the company thinking on this program? Some interesting early data, but do you think this is more of a company sponsored effort overall or maybe more partnership material or, you know, the jury's still out on that one? Thank you.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Yeah, good question. Obviously at this point, you know, we are very focused on delivering obe-cel. It's a full-out effort to deliver the program and really establish the kind of initial infrastructure for commercialization, both on manufacturing and from an actual delivery perspective, commercial delivery perspective. That certainly required us to sort of focus very substantially on obe-cel. I think there's opportunity across the pipeline to consider entering into partnerships for some of the programs, also as a way to be able to actually move them more aggressively and more in parallel to the activities that we're conducting with obe-cel. There is opportunity there. Obviously, we're excited about all the four.

We think it's a very interesting program that starts to have very interesting data and certainly is a program that we feel has a real potential in a high medical need setting.

Gil Blum
Senior Biotech Analyst, Needham & Company

Thank you for taking our questions.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thanks a lot, Gil. Appreciate it.

Operator

Stand by for our next question. Next, we have Kelly Shi with Jefferies. Kelly, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Kelly Shi
Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you for taking my questions. For AUTO1 CD22, could you help to elaborate the definition of Kymriah knowledgeable criteria? Do you see post-CD19 core market attractive to pursue for AUTO1 CD22? We saw two AUTO dual targeting programs targeting CD19, CD20 running trials in post the CD19 settings. Could you share your view between CD20 and CD22, which one is theoretically a better antigen to tackle CD19 relapse? Thank you.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Very good question. Thanks for joining, Kelly. First one with regards to AUTO1/22 and the fact that we were describing these the patients that were Kymriah ineligible. The two sort of settings that sort of exclude currently the patients certainly in the U.K. from Kymriah therapy. One is if you already have been on Kymriah and have failed, you're not eligible for a second round of Kymriah therapy. That's one group of patients, and that includes also patients that actually have relapsed with CD19 negative disease that I did refer to before. The second part of the population is if you have isolated extramedullary disease, which also excludes you currently from Kymriah therapy. There's the, you know, certainly, certain patients that are just too...

in probably too poor condition to be considered and to be included on the commercial product. It's a truly refractory population that we have treated here, that we also would have expected if we had treated these patients with obe-cel, we might have been able to get about, you know, 40%, maybe if we're lucky, 50% into a CR, but certainly not anywhere close to the 83% that we have seen in the in this extension of the CARPALL study. With regards to kind of the dual targeting approach and the choice of antigen, there were certainly a number of considerations here, and we've seen programs actually for quite some time on the one hand targeting CD19 together with CD22 targeting or CD19 with CD20 targeting.

You know, we and others have been active in this space. Our focus has been on CD22, and the reason for adding CD22 was sort of twofold. First, similar to CD19, the expression of CD22 is actually seen in a wider range of B-cell differentiation stages, particularly also present in very early stages that are driving acute lymphoblastic leukemia and where in fact CD20 is absent. You don't have CD20 expression on ALL as an example. The second consideration is that when we think about, you know, therapeutic pressure and selection against a particular target, obviously we do have the primary pressure when you think about non-Hodgkin's lymphoma indications to be on CD20 with obinutuzumab and the follow-on product from Roche as well, which both actually put heavy pressure.

What we're seeing is that patients that have been on prolonged CD20 therapy at time of relapse often have very low levels of CD20 expression or quote unquote "dim" if you look at it by fluorescent fluorescence in a FACS order. You sort of through these therapies sort of select for low levels of expression, which also then requires you to, if you want to go utilize that antigen as your second antigen in a dual targeting approach, that you really have to drive a product that has an ability to go into these very low levels of expression to ensure that you're not actually having or seeing escape due to that extended therapeutic pressure on the target.

When we look at the data, obviously the early work that was done at the University of Wisconsin, on CD19, CD20 combination showed a good level of activity, but also eventually, showed some relapses. There's limited data from some of the work that's being was conducted in China that showed also good level of activity, and the longer-term outcome at this point, to our knowledge, has certainly not yet been published, but I'm sure we're gonna see at one of the upcoming conferences. Obviously, what's interesting when we think about CD19 loss, at least in our hands, we haven't seen that in the non-Hodgkin's lymphomas, treated with obe-cel. We haven't seen patients actually relapsing with CD19 negative disease. We also actually have seen certainly an aggressive lymphoma.

We haven't seen actually relapses of patients that achieve a CR, and most of the patients, as you may remember, did actually achieve a metabolic CR with obe-cel. Whether or not there is a significant added contribution from CD20, I do not know at this point, and I think it's probably still, you know, something that we'll need to see over time. Obviously we're following the space, but if we want to use and address the area where we know most about CD19-negative disease or loss of CD19, which is an ALL, unfortunately, CD20 is not suitable, and the only other suitable antigen that it can go after that is actually useful in this setting is CD22, which is the reason why we chose it in the context of our life cycle for obe-cel.

Kelly Shi
Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Very insightful. Thank you.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Sure.

Operator

Thank you very much, and stand by for our next caller. Our next question comes from Asthika Goonewardene at Truist. Asthika, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Asthika Goonewardene
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to dig into the answer you gave to the Gil question for a minute, Christian, and maybe just ask, how do you compare the type and number of centers where you can get Blincyto versus the number of the centers where you can get Tecartus? As you plan to commercialize obe-cel, what is your strategy for targeting these medical centers where it's likely to be used and the size of the sales force that you'll need? I have a couple of quick follow-ups.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Very good. Well, thanks for joining Asthika. This is a very interesting question. When you look at where Blincyto got launched, it got launched basically initially in the transplant centers, in the U.S. and also in Europe, which is in the U.S., give or take 60 centers that sort of really represent the real core of centers treating ALL patients with advanced disease. You do have a pretty significant concentration of these very severe, severely sick patients to be treated in this smaller number of centers. That's, I think that's the first first aspect. Obviously we have in the current trial, in the FELIX study, we got 24 of those 60 centers in the trial included and having gained experience with the product.

When you think about the, then the broader opportunity, that is really one of the key things that I think the learnings for Blincyto, and I think there will be that will also be relevant for obe-cel, is that the patients that have lower disease burden, tend to be better manageable, tend to have less adverse events, and also in the case of Blincyto also then have elevated levels of responses that were observed. It is that profile that I think allows you to consider actually treating these patients in non-academic transplant centers in the U.S., which actually allows you to expand the footprint quite a bit, and frankly allows you to get closer on average, get closer to where the patients actually do live.

That actually takes risk out, it makes access easier, and I think it's certainly an important part. What we do know with Blincyto is that if you look at the second course of treatment, the third course of treatment, actually those courses tend to actually induce very little adverse events. They typically can actually be initiated without actually taking the patient into the hospital. Basically have an ambulatory setting, can be hooked up and then monitored for a short while, and then the patient can actually move on. There is really the initial part where you have the major tumor burden that needs to be taken care of, where you have most of the adverse events, which is true also for, you know, the CAR T therapy.

The difference being we're only giving a single dose. We have not to go back. We don't have to change drugs or the oils, et cetera. When we look at the actual adverse event profile then of the two programs of Blincyto and obe-cel, you know, clearly obe-cel, if anything, actually has an improved safety profile. That actually gives you a very good, I think, proxy for the ability to deliver the product. Initially, we will also start obviously with the, with the stem cell transplant centers and the, you know, the 60 centers or so that I quoted before, which is sort of the initial core, which address allows you to actually reach a substantial proportion if, you know, 70%-80% of the patients.

Over time, as there is more experience with the product, as it was the case with Blincyto, we expect to be able to then actually increase the footprint to centers that are not academic transplant centers. Obviously sophisticated, but not academic transplant centers. With that, also expand the footprint, and with that should be able to reach the same patient population, have access and provide access to therapy for the same breadth of the patient population as we're seeing today with Blincyto. That is where we're looking at that, how we're projecting that. In terms of the sales force size, actually, that's pretty focused. It's not a classical sales force either, because what we're providing is more of a service than a classical, you know, marketing-driven commercial activity.

In fact, that's a very focused, given the number of centers, focused team. What we did do see is actually that the size, although the workload is a bit different than with Blincyto, is actually very comparable with a large, basically size of your commercial organization for the U.S. of about 120-150 people.

Asthika Goonewardene
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Great. Thank you, Christian. Then if I can follow up with a couple of quick ones. At ASCO, about what proportion of patients of the 50 patients in the efficacy analysis will have six months of follow-up? Then at EHA, I was just wondering if you could maybe give me a little color of what kind of sub-analysis will be presented. I might need a little help convincing my DOR as to why we need to go to Frankfurt.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Well, there's always the opportunity to have a beer. That seems like a good reason for why you might wanna go.

Asthika Goonewardene
Managing Director, Truist Securities

I won't fly DOR.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Okay, there you go. There you go. Okay. Look, obviously we're gonna report on all the 90-plus patients that were dosed in the study. When we look overall, in the study, we will be close to somewhere between 8 and nine months of follow-up on the median. That gives you, I think, a pretty good sense of what that may look like. That's what that in terms of the overall data. The nature of what we're gonna show ultimately on any additional potential analysis, I think that is still actually being finalized. It would be too early to guide on.

Asthika Goonewardene
Managing Director, Truist Securities

All right.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

I think it comes down to you probably have to go for the beer to be on the safe side. You're there, you're not gonna miss anything.

Asthika Goonewardene
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Okay. Appreciate the color, guys. Thank you so much.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

Thank you.

Operator

Okay. That concludes our Q&A for today. I would like to now turn it back to Dr. Christian Itin, Chief Executive Officer, for closing remarks.

Christian Itin
CEO, Autolus Therapeutics

All right. Well, thank you very much. First of all, thanks all for joining today. Fantastic to have you all on and you taking the time. We're obviously looking to forward to hopefully seeing you in person during one of the two main conferences this summer. If not, hopefully upon our recent our upcoming trips to the respective your respective areas. With that, I'd like to conclude at this point. Thanks again, and looking forward to keeping you updated with the next update, obviously at ASCO in a few weeks' time. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much for your participation. This does conclude our program. You may now disconnect.

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