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Earnings Call: Q4 2015

Dec 2, 2015

Operator

Welcome to the Avago Technologies Limited fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 financial results conference call. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I'd like to turn the call over to Ashish Saran, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Ashish Saran
Director of Investor Relations, Avago Technologies

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me today are Hock Tan, President and CEO, and Anthony Maslowski, Chief Financial Officer of Avago Technologies. After the market closed today, Avago distributed a press release and financial tables describing our financial performance for the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015. If you did not receive a copy, you may obtain the information from the investor section of Avago's website at www.avagotech.com. This conference call is being webcast live, and a recording will be available via telephone playback for one week. It will also be archived in the investors section of our website at avagotech.com. During the prepared comment section of this call, Hock and Tony will be providing details of our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 results, background to our first quarter fiscal year 2016 outlook, and some commentary regarding the business environment.

We will take questions after the end of our prepared comments. In addition to US GAAP reporting, Avago reports certain financial measures on a non-GAAP basis. A reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP measures is included in the tables attached to today's press release. Comments made during today's call will primarily refer to our non-GAAP financial results. Please refer to our press release today and our recent filings with the SEC for information on the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements made on this call. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Hock Tan. Hock?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Thank you, Ashish. Good afternoon, everyone. I will start with a short summary of fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 business highlights, and Tony will continue with more details on our financial results. Fiscal 2015 was an important year for Avago, where we saw a significant increase in our top line from a full year of LSI contribution, augmented by strong growth in wireless revenue. On this expanded base, we drove high levels of profitability through leveraging our larger scale, continual richer product mix, and the full achievement of LSI acquisition cost synergies to deliver operating margins over 40%. In other words, mission accomplished. Our fourth quarter results exemplified this loud and clear.

Revenue came in at $1.85 billion, a 6% sequential increase. I continue to be very pleased with our execution, which drove the fourth-quarter margins above the high end of our range and earnings per share to $2.51. We ended our fiscal year on a very strong note, delivering record levels of revenue and profitability. Let us now turn to a discussion of our segments. Starting with wireless. In the fourth quarter, the wireless segment represented 37% of our total revenue from continuing operations in this very typical strong seasonal fourth quarter. As we expected during this seasonal uptick, revenue from our wireless segment grew by 10% sequentially, with the customary product ramp at our North American customer, partially offset by the product cycle rollover at one of our large Asian customers.

While there was an increase in overall RF content in the new phone model, Avago's RF content on a dollar basis in the new phone model remained largely flat, the same as it was in the prior generation. We had to walk away from supplying additional RF content in the new phone model because of our constrained filter manufacturing capacity. This will not happen again. Our long-term expectation for our wireless business remains very strong. We expect our RF content per smartphone to increase at over 20% every year. We have concrete plans in place to address this. We remain on track with our plans to increase FBAR filter capacity in fiscal 2016 by 50% as we convert our fab from six-inch to eight-inch wafer manufacturing.

We also expect our Fort Collins fab to remain at near full capacity as we start to pre-build inventory to support anticipated new phone launches later in fiscal 2016. Looking more short term at the first fiscal quarter 2016, unlike last year, we do see a seasonal decline in demand and expect our wireless revenue to sequentially decline in the low teens on a percentage basis. Last year, first quarter demand had held up, offsetting normal seasonality. We don't see the same phenomenon this year. Therefore, on a year-on-year basis, we expect our wireless segment revenue to also decline similar to the sequential drop. That is just one part of our portfolio. Let me now turn to another segment of portfolio which has been performing rather amazing. That's our enterprise storage segment.

In the fourth quarter, enterprise storage revenue grew by 9% sequentially. Enterprise storage represented 35% of our total revenue from continuing operations. In the fourth quarter, we also saw strong growth from our RAID and SAS products. We also benefited from increase in shipments into enterprise and data center hard disk drives. Despite macro worries, enterprise storage market held up quite well in fiscal 2015. In fact, our core enterprise storage revenues in the fourth quarter grew close to 20% on a year-on-year basis. Looking towards first quarter 2016, we expect this segment to maintain its momentum from the strong fourth quarter. We expect revenue to be up slightly on a sequential basis. We also believe we may be gaining share in this segment. On to wired infrastructure.

In the fourth quarter, wired revenue grew by 2% sequentially. The wired segment represented approximately 20% of our total revenue from continuing operations. The ASIC business was up slightly in the fourth quarter, driven primarily by an increase in shipments into routing, especially edge routing. Our fiber optics business, after a strong third quarter, maintained much of its momentum into the fourth quarter, delivering a small sequential increase. We saw increase in fiber-to-the-home shipments and stable deliveries into the enterprise OEM market. The addition of wafer fab capacity at our Breinigsville, Pennsylvania, edge-emitting laser facility help us better meet the increase in demand for fiber-to-the-home market. In the next quarter, first quarter, we expect sustained performance from this segment and project our revenue to also be up slightly here. Moving on to industrial.

In the fourth quarter, industrial and other miscellaneous products represented 8% of our total revenues from continuing operations. Focusing on industrial, resales held up reasonably well during the quarter and were, in fact, up slightly. By region, Asia Pacific was quite strong, with resales growing close to double digits. Europe also grew by near mid-single digits sequentially, but Americas and Japan were both weak and resale declined in the mid to single digits sequentially in those regions. However, similar to a number of our peers, we took a cautionary tone from customers during the quarter and consequently reduced shipments into our distributors, which drove channel inventory down. As a result, our industrial segment revenue declined by 10% sequentially in the fourth quarter. Please keep in mind, we recognize revenue here on a sell-in basis.

As we look at first quarter, anticipating the normal seasonal decline as well as, of course, lingering macro uncertainty, we plan to continue to reduce inventory in distribution. Accordingly, we expect revenue for industrial segment to decline in the low single digits sequentially. In summary, therefore, after a strong close for fiscal 2015, we expect an approximate 4% sequential decline in consolidated first quarter 2016 revenue, driven primarily by seasonality in our wireless and industrial segments, offsetting projected sustained performance from our wired and enterprise storage segments. With the LSI integration completed in fiscal 2015, we have created a very powerful business model that leverage our larger scale and increase diversity to deliver strong growth in earnings for the year. As Tony will provide more color in his summary, we expect our earnings strength to carry over into the first fiscal quarter, regardless of revenue seasonality.

As we go into the rest of fiscal 2016, we expect this earnings machine to further strengthen with the pending Broadcom acquisition. With this in mind, I'd like to mention that the Broadcom acquisition process continue to progress very smoothly, and day one integration planning including identification of all key business leaders and supporting teams has been completed. We have made very good progress, in fact, on the regulatory approval front, and expect to be in a position to close the transaction early in the first calendar quarter of 2016. In fact, we believe that we could present an integrated set of financial results starting with our second quarter of fiscal 2016. With that, let me now turn the call over to Tony for a more detailed review of our fourth quarter and fiscal 2015 financials. Tony?

Anthony Maslowski
CFO, Avago Technologies

Thank you, Hock, and good afternoon, everyone. Before reviewing fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 financial results, I want to remind you that my comments today will focus primarily on our non-GAAP results from continuing operations, unless otherwise specifically noted. A reconciliation of our GAAP and non-GAAP data is included with the earnings release issued today and is also available on our website at www.avagotech.com. Revenue of $1.85 billion in the fiscal fourth quarter represents an increase of 6% from the prior quarter. Foxconn was a greater than 20% customer in the fourth quarter. Our fourth quarter gross margin from continuing operations was 62%, which was above the high end of our guidance range, primarily due to better revenue mix and continued high fab utilization. Turning to operating expenses, R&D expenses were $257 million, and SG&A expenses were $81 million.

This resulted in total operating expenses for the fourth quarter of $338 million, $2 million above guidance, primarily due to higher bonus accruals driven by higher profitability. On a percentage basis, total operating expenses were 18% of revenues, a reduction from 19% in the prior quarter. As a percentage of sales, R&D was 14%, and SG&A was 4% of net revenue. Operating income from continuing operations for the quarter was $811 million and represented 44% of net revenue. Taxes came in at $43 million for the fourth quarter. Fourth-quarter net income was $737 million, and earnings per diluted share were $2.51. Fourth quarter interest expense was $41 million. Other income net was $10 million, resulting from a number of items, including cash from a legal settlement, interest income, and gains from foreign exchange hedging. Our share-based compensation in the fourth quarter was $63 million.

The breakdown of the expense for the fourth quarter includes $7 million in cost of goods sold, $30 million in R&D, and $26 million in SG&A. In the first quarter of fiscal 2016, we anticipate share-based compensation will be approximately $65 million. Just as a reminder, our definition of non-GAAP net income excludes share-based compensation expense. The non-GAAP guidance for first quarter fiscal 2016 also excludes estimated ticking fees of approximately $47 million related to debt commitments for the pending Broadcom acquisition. Moving on to the balance sheet. Our day sales outstanding were 50 days, an increase of eight days from the prior quarter caused by linearity of our revenue across the quarter. Our inventory ended at $524 million, a $17 million increase from the third quarter. Days on hand were 68 days.

We generated $582 million in operational cash flow and ended the quarter with a cash balance of $1.8 billion, which increased by approximately $400 million from the prior quarter. In our fourth quarter, we spent $106 million on capital expenditures. On September 30th, 2015, we paid a cash dividend of $0.42 per ordinary share, which consumed $116 million of cash. This dividend was raised by $0.02 from the prior quarter. Since the inception of our dividend program in the second quarter of 2011 to date, our financial performance has allowed us to increase our dividend each quarter. As a reminder, our board reviews and determines our dividend policy on a quarterly basis based on our financial performance and condition, the contractual provisions related to our outstanding indebtedness, and other factors deemed relevant by our board. Now, let me briefly recap our fiscal year 2015 full-year results.

Net revenues increased by 60% year-over-year to $6.9 billion, benefiting primarily from a full year of contributions from continuing operations of the LSI businesses, as well as strength in our wireless business. Gross margin increased 5% year-over-year to 61%, driven by an improvement in product mix with higher contributions from our FBAR-related wireless products, as well as comparatively higher gross margins from the enterprise storage segment. Net income for fiscal 2015 increased to $2.6 billion or $8.98 per diluted share as compared to $1.3 billion or $4.90 per diluted share in fiscal 2014. Let me turn to our non-GAAP guidance for the first quarter of fiscal year 2016. This guidance reflects our current assessment of business conditions. We do not intend to update this guidance. This guidance is for results from continuing operations only.

Net revenue is expected to be $1.78 billion ±$25 million. Gross margin is expected to be 61% ±one percentage point. Operating expenses are estimated to be approximately $314 million.

Taxes are forecasted to be approximately $40 million. Net interest expense and other is expected to be approximately $37 million. Finally, the diluted share count forecast is for 295 million shares. That concludes my prepared remarks. However, I would like to make one final comment. Earlier this week, Avago became 10 years old as an independent company. Just as a contrast to today's results, our first year in operations, we had $1.51 billion in revenue and a non-GAAP net loss of $108 million. I would like to personally thank all employees for their hard work and contributions in this first decade. Operator, please open up the call for questions.

Operator

Yes, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you have a question, please press the number one key. Press star, then the number one key on your touch-tone phone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from queue, you can do so by pressing the pound key. Again, if you do have a question, please press star, then one. Our first question is from Vivek Arya of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Vivek Arya
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you for taking my question, and congratulations on the consistently strong execution. Hock, you mentioned on the wireless business that on the next year's flagship model, you expect at least 20% higher content. Can you give us some context? What is driving that higher content, and what is your differentiation and competitive advantage versus, say, another competitor who also has BAW filters and is also adding capacity? What can you do consistently that they cannot? What's really driving up content, and what's your competitive advantage?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

I'll start with content. Content keeps increasing in smartphones, especially the higher-end smartphones, because of, as I say, increasing number of bands, spectral bandwidth that come into play worldwide as carriers expand the bandwidth by which they connect phones, connect us to each other. A number of especially LTE bands are increasing, even in places like Japan, where you have new introduction of new bands, like Band 21, which had not existed before. The same applies in China, where you have both TDD and FDD as well. It's really the proliferation of LTE bands, and for high-end smartphones, the need for the creation, especially towards the high-end, for phones that can roam.

Adding on to this mix is the fact that two other things are happening that drives not just RF content, but our particular kind of RF content, which is the form of FBAR filters, which allows signals to be received or transmitted in extremely discrete, on a very accurate, or I call it narrow, basis. Which is the problem of with that number of bands in one little device, you start to create the phenomenon of coexistence. Coexistence, which exists, and exists not across cellular bands alone, but across Wi-Fi, Bluetooth as well, and crossing cellular bands, too. That coexistence issue creates a specific need for filters that can extract signals from a very cluttered airspace, from ether. You hear now about downlink carrier aggregation, and next year on, you start to see some of certain phone models with uplink carrier aggregation.

What carrier aggregation meant, and I discussed it in previous calls, is simply the ability to mux or demux multiple bands, signals from multiple bands into one single channel in the phone or out externally. In order to do that, you need components, you need filters that are able to do the muxing and demuxing in the RF space. That's where FBAR filters come into their own. Because of all that, we have been consistently seeing over the last several years, and we see that trend continuing over the next three years, say, because that's as far as we can probably look with any degree of certainty. The increase in content, in RF content, and in particular in the need for filters, which are not able to be integrated into one single chip. Each filter is a very discrete element.

That's pretty much what's driving what I postulate as perhaps a trend of 20% a year increase in dollar content of RF over the next several years for high-end smartphones. Okay?

Vivek Arya
Analyst, Bank of America

As my follow-up, Hock, you also mentioned good growth in your enterprise storage business. That's very different from some of the more sluggish, weak enterprise spending environment trends that we have heard from others. I'm wondering, what is helping you outgrow the broader spending environment in enterprise? Thank you.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

That's a very good question, and sometimes we sit there and wonder ourselves, by the way. All we do know is it is, and I suspect in specific areas, there is market share gains on our side. Simply because we do a better product, simply because we are able to execute on the better products. Also, we've been perhaps fortunate in being focused on certain customers, certain OEM customers in particular, that have done better than others, and that allows us through that process by itself to gain share, and we'll display that because, yeah, we're fully aware of what's out there, what we hear out there on a macro side. We are seeing its strength, particularly on the enterprise front, less so the cloud data center side. Maybe that's something to do with that as well.

Vivek Arya
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we do ask that you keep your questions to one initial and one follow-up. Our next question is from Craig Hettenbach of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Craig Hettenbach
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yes, thank you. I had a question on the FBAR capacity expansion, in particular, move from six inch to eight inch. I know it's early on, but that is an important factor for wireless growth in the back half of fiscal 2016. Can you just give us some early insight in terms of how that's progressing and the confidence of bringing that online?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

That has been progressing very much, very well. To be direct about it, we're almost ready now. Give it a few more months for the back half. That will not be our full completion for back half. We will anticipate continuing that migration from six inch to eight inch of existing lines through even the first half of 2017 in anticipation of the generation of phones in 2017, late 2017, not just 2016. We're pretty prepared right now.

Craig Hettenbach
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. Thanks. As my follow-up, good to hear that the integration of Broadcom is going smoothly and day one, you can hit the ground running. Curious to get your thoughts more on the product side as you had more time to look at the portfolio. Anything stand out to you positively, particularly within their networking business and the prospects there?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Oh, we love their products. We love their engineering. It validates entirely our premise, our investment thesis in making this acquisition as far as we've found so far. We like a lot of what they're doing. To be more specific, might be a bit premature, sorry about that, but I'm not in a position to really disclose it. I frankly want to do it, not because I don't want to, but I think I'm not totally in the picture 100% until we really do have the operations under our control after day one.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Romit Shah of Nomura. Your line is open.

Romit Shah
Analyst, Nomura

Yes, thank you. A couple of questions. First, Tony, I noticed that operating expenses are declining, I think about 7% in the January period, which really stood out to me. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Anthony Maslowski
CFO, Avago Technologies

Sure. It's mostly due to two factors. We completely completed the Emulex transition, there's some OpEx drop off from that. More significantly, it's the reset on the bonus accrual. On the bonus side, we're significantly above 100% attainment, and that gets reset into Q1 at 100%. You get some benefit from that as well. Just to give you some perspective in 10 years of working here with the bonus is that it's not reset to last year's numbers. We have new numbers that are a little bit stretch targets for next year. Every year that we accomplish over 100%, it's a pretty Herculean feat. It's not that we go into it saying we're going to earn 150% in the next year, and you'll have kind of expense catch up at the second half of the year.

It's a true reset, those are the two reasons for the expense drop-off.

Romit Shah
Analyst, Nomura

Okay, helpful. Thanks. Hock, you gave us a couple data points on wireless. You said that RF content in high-end phones would increase at 20% or so, then you also told us that you're planning to increase capacity by about 50%. Putting those two data points together, how do we think about expectations for the wireless business, how fast it grows in fiscal 2016?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Well, I cannot really answer for fiscal 2016 because we don't give guidance, Romit, on an annual basis. I'll tell you the trajectory we have been seeing and continues, I believe, to be on. I've taken pains in my opening remarks to clarify why this year, end of 2015, early 2016, as we sit here, why it's more of an exception, a hiatus, I call it, than the rule. Content, as we pump in all this additional spectral bandwidth into a single device, has increased content-wise, physical content. What we're seeing is anywhere from 30% to almost 50% every year. There's always a value to some level of integration in terms of dollar translation, which is why in dollar terms, that content increase of 30% to 50% typically translates to, I think, 20% to 30% on an annual basis.

That's really what it comes down to.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Vijay Rakesh of Mizuho. Your line is open.

Vijay Rakesh
Analyst, Mizuho

Yeah, guys, good quarter and guide given all the worries. I have a question on the RF side. As you look at China, where probably handsets don't have much of carrier aggregation today, where do you see carrier aggregation penetration in China by the end of next year?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Less probably some, but there is some carrier aggregation, a high level of carrier aggregation going on in China right now. In fact, not as much perhaps as out here in the U.S., but there is. There's a need to do that because that's where the operators in China want to go. We are seeing that now, and we're selling some products, some are more discrete or module products that addresses downlink carrier aggregation. Uplink, that's a different matter, down probably out for a couple of years at least, if not longer for China. Uplink will happen here in some parts of the world faster. Downlink carrier aggregation is already happening in China.

Vijay Rakesh
Analyst, Mizuho

Got it. On the FBAR side, as you talk about eight-inch capacity, do you already have output on eight-inch FBAR? Thanks.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

We have, at this point, what I call pilot lines. We have been doing the conversion over the past 12 months. It's certainly more investment and developing the process. We're at a point that we are starting to go into production fairly soon.

Vijay Rakesh
Analyst, Mizuho

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Our next question is from Ross Seymore of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Ross Seymore
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. Hock, back on the wireless side of things, you mentioned that the capacity constraint was never going to happen again, and then you were kind enough to give us that 20% increase number. Is part of that 20% increase just simply your ability to address the sockets that you're limited on today? Or is that above and beyond the content increase that you're going to get on average with RF into phones?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

No, basically it's almost one and the same. Without a sense of trying to be too arrogant or boastful, but it is one and the same because in order to integrate that kind of increase of content into a tiny little device and do it very well, not many people can do it, is our view. As I say, it becomes almost one and the same, which is our perception of the trend last three years and forward three years is that content keeps growing up. It keeps growing in that range, at least in dollar terms, and we're always able to capture that. It's a broad trend, we believe, in high-end smartphone market. We do not see that changing over the next three years as it has been happening for the last three years.

Ross Seymore
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Great. I guess as my follow-up, another one for you, Hock, I know you're not going to give full year guidance, and maybe it doesn't even matter once Broadcom comes into the mix. As you look at your four segments, can you just walk us through some of the areas that you're most excited about going up in fiscal 2016 and then areas where you think there might be some headwinds as you look at your current portfolio of businesses?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

I'm actually most excited about networking, wired infrastructure, so to speak, and very excited about, continue to be excited about wireless. Enterprise storage has been, as I mentioned, performing very well. I'll be very pleased but totally not disappointed if it doesn't hit the level it did in 2015 in enterprise storage. Definitely in wired and wireless, I believe those two areas will continue to grow and grow very well.

Ross Seymore
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Ambrish Srivastava of BMO. Your line is open.

Ambrish Srivastava
Analyst, BMO

Hi. Thank you, Hock. Clearly, there is a tailwind on the wireless side, and you've executed very well within that. I was just having a tough time understanding and trying to reconcile what you said at the top of the call regarding the capacity. You were constrained by capacity, and so you said that you walked away from certain business. I'm assuming that can't be at the high end because you have a very differentiated product at the high end. What gives you the confidence then that the competition or the customer would come back to you for that content that you could not provide? Then I had a quick follow-up.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

We are very good at what we do, and we're just about one of very few people who can do what we say we do here. Really my purpose in explaining that at the beginning was that because this quarter and last, we saw, as you saw, a sort of a pause in that 20% growth rate year-on-year. I took the pains to explain that as basically it's not about people catching up as much, it's our inability, capacity-wise, to meet all of that needs for this particular short window of time. Otherwise, if in fact, the content, the demand will still keep going at that rough 20% a year rate.

Ambrish Srivastava
Analyst, BMO

Okay. My follow-up then on the OpEx side, Tony, I just want to make sure I get it right. We should use the baseline from the guide for the Q1?

Anthony Maslowski
CFO, Avago Technologies

Yeah. Everything we have right now, and again, this is assuming in a model that no Broadcom. In a full year, if you do just us, it's this new run rate. We'll have our mid-year merit increases, which is a couple of percent, and if we outperform our businesses, you'll see some bonus catch up in the second half. Yeah, this is the, I would consider it a stable run rate. Again, we throw that all out the window when we do Q2 and we start integrating Broadcom.

Ambrish Srivastava
Analyst, BMO

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Doug Freedman of Sterne Agee CRT. Your line is open.

Doug Freedman
Analyst, Sterne Agee CRT

Hi, guys. Let me echo the congratulations on the excellent execution. I guess, Hock, sorry to beat a dead horse here a little bit, but I'm getting a sense that your approach to the FBAR business may have changed here with your commentary about not wanting to supply constrain the market going forward. I did notice intra-quarter in the news, you guys procured a large factory up in Oregon. I believe it was cited as being for wireless. Can you give us sort of maybe the timing of getting Oregon up and running, and whether you have in fact changed your strategy to not supply constrain the FBAR market, and if so, how quickly do you think you remove that constraint?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Well, I guess our strategy was never to want to constrain the market, first of all, to make that clear. What probably I'm implying in the corollary to what you just said, and it's true, and what I just said is we're seeing the market grow even faster than we had originally thought. Again, consistent, we've not wanting to constrain the market, we want to address those specific high-end smartphone markets. We are taking steps to make sure we will never constrain it again.

Doug Freedman
Analyst, Sterne Agee CRT

Okay. Moving on, I guess.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

That includes.

Doug Freedman
Analyst, Sterne Agee CRT

That's my thought.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Yeah. That includes that potential fab up in Oregon, just to complete that thought and tie in with what you said. Yes. That plan of ours to address that longer term includes that facility. That's a long-term plan because we don't expect that to, if once we get that going, that won't come into line until more towards 2018, guys. 2016 and 2017, what we have in Fort Collins, 8-inch conversion is pretty cool. 2018, uncertainty, we better get this additional Oregon fab.

Doug Freedman
Analyst, Sterne Agee CRT

I guess as my follow-up, what capacity addition does that Oregon fab enable, if you could, on a percentage? Is that going to double your FBAR capacity going forward?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

We generally don't want to disclose that. Sorry.

Doug Freedman
Analyst, Sterne Agee CRT

Okay. Thank you. I tried.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question's from Srini Pajjuri of CLSA Americas. Your line is open.

Srini Pajjuri
Analyst, CLSA Americas

Thank you. Hock, again, on wireless. I know you said you have visibility into the next two to three years on design wins and also on the architectures. I'm just curious as to how much visibility you have on the pricing front, because obviously, to say that your content is increasing 20%, you got to assume some pricing curve. The reason I'm asking is, given that your competitors are also adding capacity, what's the risk that your pricing assumptions could go wrong here?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Oh. You're right. Again, I'm approaching it from a very macro point of view and a very trend basis. If you look at my trend and macro over the last four years, that 20% is what I've been achieving and have been able to achieve and achieving. There's nothing really that we see out there, though I should never take it for granted because each one is an interesting challenge by itself. To be honest, the products we do in FBAR, in front-end module, PADs, as they call them, are very, very difficult things to do. I'm not saying they are moon shots, but they're not that far from that. We spend an enormous amount of money, talent doing it. The best way to describe it is we don't see anything that dramatically change, though each one is a tough one by itself.

If I've seen it the last four years, I'm basically commenting that it sure looks that for the next two, three years, we'll see a continuation of this trend. We see that, as I answered an earlier question, through more bands, through the increasing issue of coexistence across bands in handsets, plus, just as much, the phenomenon of downlink and uplink carrier aggregation as operators need to run their network and base station much more efficiently. All that is happening. It's not pie in the sky.

Srini Pajjuri
Analyst, CLSA Americas

Great. Thank you. Tony, on the balance sheet side, I guess once you close the Broadcom deal, I think you told us you're going to have the leverage ratio around 2.5 times or so. My question is if an opportunity comes along to do additional M&A next year or some other time, first, what's your strategy in terms of additional M&A here, and then how much debt capacity you think you have? Thank you.

Anthony Maslowski
CFO, Avago Technologies

Yeah. Taking in reverse order, we definitely have the debt capacity to go probably back to three or slightly above it. You can think about it, at any given time, we can be another turn here right out of the gate. However, the Broadcom acquisition, there will be a digestion phase for Broadcom. As we've said, we don't wake up every morning looking for the next acquisition. We're very opportunistic on the acquisition front, and we'll look at it as we go. Again, I think we have flexibility with a starting point at 2.5 to do what we need to do, and if something opportunistic comes along, we'll take advantage of that.

Srini Pajjuri
Analyst, CLSA Americas

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Amit Daryanani of RBC. Your line is open.

Amit Daryanani
Analyst, RBC

Yep. Thanks a lot. Congrats on the good quarter, guys. A question for me, I guess, if I go back to the wireless segment, Hock, to the extent you can talk about when you add capacity in the near term, the next 12 months, call it, are you doing it based on the design wins you have, or do you have much more firm purchase commitments from your larger OEMs? Hence you're adding capacity?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

It's a judgmental process. That judgment tends to be very tight to slant bias conservatively, but you're right, it's tied to sockets, our belief in sockets that we will win over the next 12, 18 months. You're right, sometimes we have to scramble to put capacity in place because of that kind of approach. We believe that we prefer to be conservative than the other way around. At the end of it all, it's all based on judgment. We tend to be rather conservative in lagging capacity build-outs behind what we see as demand. We might have, based on an earlier statement, started to behave a little differently. Basically, we are very conservative creatures, is what we know we are. It's all based on judgment.

Obviously our judgment is that we will use up the capacity that we're putting in place for the next two, three years.

Amit Daryanani
Analyst, RBC

Got it. Then on the enterprise side, you talked about share gains and business doing better. I'm curious, is that more on your HDD side or is it more the Fibre Channel adapters from Emulex where you think you might be picking up more share?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

I think it's more on the connectivity side than the HDD side. HDD market doesn't change very much.

Amit Daryanani
Analyst, RBC

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Harlan Sur of J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

Harlan Sur
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hi, good afternoon. Congratulations on the solid quarterly execution. On the wireless business, typically calendar Q1 is when your large Asian smartphone customer ramps production of its flagship platform. The question is, are you seeing some of this ramp in your fiscal Q1, or is that typically seen in fiscal Q2? Hock, in line with your commentary, are you anticipating 20% plus content gains on their new flagship smartphones?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Answer is yes to all three. There is an uptick there, late Q1, probably Q2 of fiscal, not calendar. Fiscal Q2.

Yeah.

More like fiscal Q2. Yes, we do see improvement in content.

Harlan Sur
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

That's great. Industrial, you had anticipated revenues to be down low single digits in Q4. It came down 10% sequentially, but I think it was obviously a good decision to be prudent and take down inventories in the fourth quarter. As you think about Q1 and another quarter of inventory reduction, can you just help us understand your expectations for sell-through and also any commentary on demand by geography that you would expect in Q1?

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Good point. Keep in mind, maybe the first simplest way to answer, is our Q1 is November, December, and January. As you probably know, industrial seasonality is down late end of the year and up again beginning of year. For Q1, I only have one month. Not much. That's why we continue to forecast and be conservative in our guidance of industrial revenue, whether they be resale or ship-in. On the resale front, yeah, we kind of see industrial, it's hard to break out between seasonality versus secular in this case. All we see is that industrial is kind of struggling even to stay flat at this point. We saw our Q4, just to emphasize, was actually August, September, October. We only saw part of the downturn of the back end of the year.

Even though our shipping was down, our resale, as I indicated, wasn't that bad. I would expect our resale Q1 to be not so good, and that's why I use the word struggle to even say flat, which is why we believe we better guide our ship-in, which is our revenue, at down single digits. Not more or less, let's put it that way. The resale may be down even more, but our ship-in is that because we already pulled on the brakes last quarter.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question is from Edward Snyder of Charter Equity Research. Your line is open.

Edward Snyder
Analyst, Charter Equity Research

Thank you very much. Hock, you said eight-inch should probably take you through the transition there to about 2017. The high-mix fab in Portland probably wouldn't get turned on, and I think you indicated till what, 2018. It seems to be a flat spot between the two. I was just curious, the silicon SAW stuff that you've been working on, is that there to take up the slack, to take some of the pressure off of your BAW fab by moving some of the lower-end stuff into that? Or is that more of a push by Avago to expand your filter offering beyond just traditional BAW into something maybe that'd be more competitive in the SAW front? I have a follow-up, please.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

We think we have planned it pretty well now because you're right. At eight-inch will take us all the way through product generation of 2017, which will just be in time for the fab up in Oregon to come in for 2018. It's straight on, it's all largely focused on filters, all these fabs.

Edward Snyder
Analyst, Charter Equity Research

Okay, the 20% increase, I know it's more of a general number for the TAM growth overall, but sounds like you're pretty enthusiastic about that for the next year. In 2015, as it specifically applies to Avago, will more of that come from, say, the mux filters? Is that really a content gain, like you getting more parts, or is it more of an ASP boost given how tough these are to do? Maybe not more die size itself, but you're just getting paid better for it.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

No, we're very nice people to our customers. We basically, it'd be more content, and we actually give a discount as on a per-filter basis. It's a lot more content, a lot more filters.

Edward Snyder
Analyst, Charter Equity Research

Great. Thank you.

Hock Tan
President and CEO, Avago Technologies

Thank you.

Ashish Saran
Director of Investor Relations, Avago Technologies

Thank you, operator. Thank you for participating in today's earnings call. We look forward to talking with you again when we report our first quarter fiscal year 2016 financial results.

Operator

That concludes Avago's conference call for today. You may now disconnect.