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Earnings Call: Q4 2019

Feb 20, 2020

Operator

Good day, welcome to the Bel Fuse Inc. Fourth quarter and fiscal year 2019 conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Dan Bernstein, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you, Zena. Joining me on the call today is Craig Brosious, our Vice President of Finance, and Lynn Hutkin, our Director of Financial Reporting. Before we begin the call, I'd like to ask Lynn to go over the safe harbor statement. Lynn?

Lynn Hutkin
Director of Financial Reporting, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everybody. Before we start, I'd like to read the following safe harbor statement. Except for historical information contained on this call, the matters discussed on this call, such as statements regarding potential sales growth, the anticipated impact of the acquisition of the power assets of CUI Inc.

on Bel's sales and EBITDA margins, anticipated cost savings resulting from Bel's global cost structure initiatives, the timing of completion of Bel's ERP implementation, the expected effect of streamlining on Bel's overall profitability, the anticipated impact of the coronavirus outbreak, the extended Lunar New Year holiday break, and the grounding of Boeing 737 MAX, productivity levels at Bel's four manufacturing sites in China, Bel's ability to adjust workload levels at its China sites, and an increase in airline maintenance spend on existing aircraft, are forward-looking statements as described under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from Bel's projections.

Among the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements are the market concerns facing our customers, the continuing viability of sectors that rely on our products, the effects of business and economic conditions, the success of efforts to contain and otherwise respond to the coronavirus, difficulties associated with integrating recently acquired companies, capacity and supply constraints or difficulties, product development, commercialization, or technological difficulties, the regulatory and trade environment, risks associated with foreign currencies, uncertainties associated with legal proceedings, the market's acceptance of the company's new products and competitive responses to those new products, the impact of changes to U.S. trade and tariff policies, and the risk factors detailed from time to time in the company's SEC reports. In light of the risks and uncertainties, there can be no assurance that any forward-looking statement will in fact prove to be correct.

We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. We also may discuss non-GAAP results during this call, and reconciliations of our GAAP results to non-GAAP results have been included in our release. I would now like to turn the call back to Dan for a general business update.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you, Lynn. Before going through the financials, I would like to provide a brief update on how the business did from the operations standpoint this quarter and what we see going forward. The fourth quarter continued to be challenging for us as our customers and distributors worked through the excess inventory on hand. Further, the ongoing tariffs have resulted in certain customers finding alternate sources for their product, which impacted our sales in the fourth quarter. In addition, material costs remained hard through the end of this year, putting additional pressure on our margins. By year-end, we saw the indication of customer inventory levels coming down and bookings for our Cinch and Magnetic product groups have started to improve. During the fourth quarter, we closed our office in Shanghai and implemented other indirect headcount reductions in Asia.

Overall, in 2019, a total of $5.7 million in analyzed cost savings were implemented. Of this amount, $1.7 million were realized in the second half of 2019, the incremental $4 million will be realized in 2020. In December, we closed on our acquisition of CUI Power Business. We have been pleased with the results of this acquisition so far. On Friday, February 14th, we filed our 8-K with audited financial pro forma relating to this acquisition. Historically, the gross margins of this acquired business were approximately 40% with an EBITDA margin of 10% in down sales years. We look forward to a full year of contribution from business in 2020. From what we see today, the first quarter will be very difficult given the challenges around coronavirus and the grounding of the Boeing 737 MAX.

Bel is closely monitoring the coronavirus outbreak and its impact on our operations and supply chain. We can confirm at this point that all four of our manufacturing sites in China have resumed production, and we're currently running at approximately 50% to 60% of our normal run rate. Bel anticipates at a minimum to see an adverse financial impact as a result of lost sales, profit, incremental labor costs for a period of time that associates were unable to work due to travel restrictions or illness. The welfare of our associates continue to be our top priority, and we're working with the local governments to ensure the necessary preparations are made to allow our associates to safely return to work. Lead times have currently been pushed back by four weeks as we continue to assess the overall impact to our supply chain.

The continued grounding of the Boeing 737 MAX is also expected to have an unfavorable impact on our comparison throughout 2020. While we anticipate that this should resume in the coming months, it will likely be reduced rate for a period of time. We hope to lessen some of this exposure through prompt adjustments to our workforce at the related facility. In anticipation of strengthening our aftermarket sales of products as airlines increase maintenance spend on existing aircraft in their fleet. Our management team has proven capable of responding quickly to changes in these types of circumstances, and we are diligently working with our local teams to minimize the effects of these current events. With that, I'd like to turn it over to Craig to go over the financials. Craig?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Thanks, Dan. Before running through the numbers, I want to point out a few changes in our financial statement presentation and reporting disclosures that were implemented during the fourth quarter of 2019. As noted on last quarter's call, our research and development costs were historically included as a component of cost of sales, and were therefore factored in arriving at gross profit. This classification was different than the majority of our peers. Financial statements included in today's earnings release reflect the reclassification of R&D expense outside of cost of sales, and is shown as a separate line before gross profit. Prior periods have been recast to reflect this revised presentation. Similarly, foreign exchange gains and losses, which were historically included in our SG&A expense, have been reclassified to the other income and expense line in all periods presented.

This change in presentation was also done to conform to the presentation of our peers to aid in comparability for our investors. It also provides better transparency of the SG&A expense related to our day-to-day operations. Lastly, we implemented a change to our reportable segments during the fourth quarter. In the past, our reportable operating segments were geographic in nature, North America, Europe, and Asia. In connection with our migration to the new ERP system, and with the acquisition of CUI, we are now looking at the business on a product group basis and making decisions based on the profitability of our three product segments, Connectivity Solutions, Power Solutions and Protection, and Magnetic Solutions. Profit measures for our three product segments will be included in our upcoming 2019 10-K filing. Moving on to the financials. Sales by product segment for the fourth quarter of 2019 were as follows.

Connectivity Solutions sales were $41 million, a decline of 12% from last year's fourth quarter. Power Solutions and Protection sales were $36.1 million, down 24%. Magnetic Solutions sales were $38 million, down 22% from last year's fourth quarter. On a consolidated basis, gross profit margin, excluding R&D expense, declined to 21.4% in the fourth quarter of 2019, as compared with 26.8% in the fourth quarter of 2018, as lower sales in 2019, combined with higher material costs, continued to have a downward pressure on our gross margin during the fourth quarter of 2019. Research and development costs were $6.7 million during the fourth quarter of 2019, a decline of $1.1 million from the fourth quarter of 2018 as a result of restructuring efforts implemented during 2019.

Our Selling, General and Administrative expenses, excluding exchange gains and losses, were $19.1 million or 16.6% of sales as compared with $22.5 million or 15.8% of sales in the fourth quarter of 2018. The $3.4 million reduction in SG&A primarily related to a $1 million decline in legal and professional fees, largely due to the elimination of redundant ERP system support costs. Lower incentive compensation and travel expense also contributed to the decrease in SG&A from the 2018 period. On a go-forward basis, we would expect SG&A to run between $20.5 million-$21.5 million per quarter in the near term. This includes the incremental SG&A associated with CUI. These factors resulted in a loss from operations of $2.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2019 as compared to income from operations of $7.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2018.

Other income and expense net was an expense of $2.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2019 as compared to income of $67,000 during the fourth quarter of 2018. The expense in the fourth quarter of 2019 largely related to a $2.1 million loss on liquidation of foreign subsidiaries. An unfavorable swing in foreign exchange gains and losses, which are now included in this line item, also contributed to the variance from the 2018 quarter. Interest expense was $1.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2019, down slightly from the same period last year, due to the lower interest rate in effect during the 2019 period, coupled with a reduction in the average debt balance throughout the year. Our provision for income taxes was $392,000 for the fourth quarter of 2019, compared to a provision of $2.4 million during last year's fourth quarter.

The provision in the fourth quarter of 2019 reflects a reduction in GILTI tax and taxes related to uncertain tax positions, as well as permanent tax differences on U.S. tax-exempt activities compared to the same quarter of 2018. Earnings per share for Class A common shares was a loss of $0.50 per share in the fourth quarter of 2019 as compared with earnings of $0.31 per share in the fourth quarter of 2018. Earnings per share for Class B common shares was a loss of $0.52 per share in the fourth quarter of 2019. Compared with earnings of $0.33 per share in the fourth quarter of 2018.

On a non-GAAP basis, which excludes certain unusual and other non-recurring items, EPS for Class A shares was a loss of $0.30 per share in the fourth quarter of 2019, as compared with earnings of $0.37 per share in the fourth quarter of 2018. On a non-GAAP basis, EPS for Class B shares was a loss of $0.30 per share in the fourth quarter of 2019, as compared with earnings of $0.39 per share in the fourth quarter of 2018. Now I'd like to go through some balance sheet and cash flow items. Our cash and cash equivalents balance at December 31st, 2019, was $73.2 million, an increase from $19.2 million from December 31st, 2018. During 2019, we generated cash flows from operating activities of $25.3 million and received proceeds from the sale of property of $5.8 million.

We made net payments of $3 million towards our outstanding debt balance and used cash for capital expenditures of $9.9 million, dividend payments of $3.4 million and interest payments of $4.8 million. Accounts receivable were $75.7 million at December 31, 2019, as compared with $91.9 million at December 31, 2018. Days sales outstanding increased slightly to 60 days at December 31, 2019 as compared to 59 days at December 31, 2018. The reduction in our accounts receivable balance was largely due to lower sales volume in the fourth quarter of 2019 as compared to the fourth quarter of 2018. Inventories were $107.3 million at December 31, 2019, down $12.8 million from December 31, 2018. Excluding CUI, Bel's inventory balance was down $17.5 million from the end of 2018. The decline was primarily in raw materials as purchases of raw materials have slowed while we work through our inventories on hand.

Accounts payable were $44.4 million at December 31st, 2019, down $11.7 million from its level at December 31st, 2018, primarily due to lower raw material purchases during the quarter. Bel's outstanding debt balance was $143.7 million as of December 31st, 2019, net of deferred financing cost, an increase of $29.5 million since the 2018 year-end balance. This reflects the incremental borrowings of $32 million to fund our acquisition of CUI in December, partially offset by $3 million in repayments during 2019. Book value per share, which is calculated as stockholders' equity divided by our combined Class A and Class B classes of common stock outstanding, was $13.69 per share at December 31st, 2019 as compared to $14.99 per share at December 31st, 2018. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Dan.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you, Craig. At this time, we'd like to open up the call for any questions that you might have.

Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question by phone, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signals to reach our equipment. Again, press star one to ask a question. We will now take our first question from Theodore O'Neill from Litchfield Hills Research. Please go ahead. Caller, your line is open.

Theodore O'Neill
Analyst, Litchfield Hills Research

Sorry. We're on mute here. We understand there are a number of macroeconomic headwinds here. Were there any bright spots in the quarter or that you see in the upcoming quarter?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

I see in the first quarter, military aerospace. We do see some improved bookings on the magnetic product side. Our bookings have improved slightly. We do think, because lead times are going to be stretched out because of the situation in China, that more people will be putting orders in books. Again, we do think that the first quarter will be weaker than we perceive, hopefully things look a lot stronger in the second quarter and going forward.

Theodore O'Neill
Analyst, Litchfield Hills Research

Is there anything you can do in the near term to deal with the customers sourcing product from other than China?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

We have been looking at other areas. I personally was visiting Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam. Besides looking for other sources, looking at other manufacturing areas for us and becoming less dependent on China. Even if that's the case, for example, we're talking to a key distributor today, and he mentioned that 70% of the circuit boards that are bought in Europe come from China. It's really a dominating position they have. With that dominating position, you have a lot of cost pressure that they can give us. If you do look in certain areas, can they be cost competitive? It's almost like a two-edged sword. If you look at another area and if they can't be price sensitive, it's great that you can protect yourself from the coronavirus, but can you sell the product because of the bill of material cost.

That's what we're trying to weigh out and look at everything else.

Theodore O'Neill
Analyst, Litchfield Hills Research

Okay. Thanks very much.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Appreciate the call.

Operator

We'll now take our next question from Jim Ricchiuti from Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hi, thanks. I'm just wondering, I know it's a very fluid situation there, but what is the outlook for bringing the utilization of the four facilities in China to higher levels over the next few weeks? I assume this is mainly a case of just getting folks into the plants?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

No, it's a little bit more difficult. For example, you say, well, once again, people are coming throughout China to everybody's factory. They have to get approval from the local town to show where they're going back to the factory, the transportation to get them to the factory. Just as important as bringing them to the factory, the government has to approve your facility, monitor the facility, that you have the best hygiene practice in place. Even, for example, down to how you eat food now at the cafeteria. You can no longer face someone in the cafeteria. You have to have your back to them when you eat. A big dilemma that we're all facing is masks. We have currently 400,000 masks at our facility, but there's a tremendous amount of shortage throughout masks throughout the country.

In China, we are required for each employee to have two masks per day. Those are the factors you have. Also, again, the logistics of Federal Express, can they come in? Can they not come in? Most shipments go to Hong Kong, there's a delay there. Overall, we're currently back at 60%. Our problem is we do have workers coming back at 60%, what's our output rate? Do we have any bottlenecks for bringing too many people back from one area? Again, I don't think we're going to get. Probably, if we have our goal and our objective in China by mid-March to get back to the 85%-92%, by April 1st, everybody's in production and we're running back to full production. It's, as I said, things can change very rapidly depending on how they control the situation.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Sure.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Just one more point. This is all, of course, based on no further outbreaks, and from all our understanding, it's coming down, not going up. We're beyond the high point.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Got it. From a logistics standpoint, is that improving at all, or is that also you feel like it's?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

We're all in the same 65%-60% ballpark. We're all dealing with. Craig, do you want to add anything?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Yeah, I think the transportation, we're able to ship product out of our factories in the same thing. A lot of it goes through Hong Kong. We're able to do that. Obviously getting it from there to the customer depends on the freight carriers and what their ability is to provide transport equipment, aircraft, what have you. Like we said before, it's a fluid situation, but it's getting better.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

With respect to the competitive environment, are there any signs that some of this business is going elsewhere? Does that damage any of the relationships longer term, or do you see that as temporary?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

No.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

It sounds like most folks are in the same boat.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

For us, all the products, I think we're all in the same boat. I think lead times are being stretched out by everybody. I think, again, when lead times are stretched out, our customers and other customers are more concerned about getting availability in. There's no way anybody would cancel orders at this time to go to a competitor. We don't think that is our major. Our major concern is getting product out the door as quick as possible to our customers.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Okay. On the aerospace defense side of the business, it sounds like defense, there's still a pretty healthy demand environment, and that tends to be better margin for you. How much does that help you looking out over the balance of this year?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Well, the problem is it would've been very helpful if we didn't have the Boeing situation. Again, from a margin standpoint, again, every day there's something new that goes wrong with Boeing. Yesterday, they found debris in the fuel tanks. You just don't know what's going to happen. We know what we're currently on hold at this point in time, it should be released shortly. Again, it's just a fluid situation we're dealing with. At this point, Lynn, you want to fill us in on what we got for Boeing?

Lynn Hutkin
Director of Financial Reporting, Bel Fuse Inc

Sure. Related to Boeing, right now they have ceased production. We do expect that once they resume, it would be at a fraction of the rate, and there would be a gradual increase from there. We do expect a financial impact in the first half of 2020, estimated at $5 million-$6 million of lost revenue in the first half of 2020, just related to the 737 MAX. From a bottom-line perspective, it's probably $2 million, and that will be more heavily weighted in the first quarter. We are putting some items in place to help mitigate that cost impact that we hope to be in place in the second quarter.

Things take time to put in place. We have started reducing our headcount at the implants factories and also shifting some of that labor over to the military product line that had an extended backlog to help increase our military products going out the door. These efforts won't fully offset the impact, but we're doing everything that we can to mitigate.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Okay. It's not military, just aerospace. Craig, you want to go for the margins?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Well, I think what we're saying there is by replacing some of the output, by shifting some of our production over to the military products, that would help our margins by comparison to the product that we sell into the MAX. Again, we're going to have some lost margin here. We do hope we're going to be able to make some of that up by shifting our output towards the higher margin military products.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Also the surplus market for the connectors we build for 737s.

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Right.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

on the lease thing.

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

That's true, Dan. It's basically, the longer the MAX is out of service, airlines are going to have to maintain their existing fleet. We participate in the aftermarket side of that where airlines or distributors would be selling the repair parts. We should see an uptick in revenue on that side.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Got it. Last question from me is just with respect to the CUI Business. It sounds like you're pleased with it, but I would guess that you're seeing the same kind of headwinds in that business that you're seeing in other parts of the business as a result of what's going on.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

In addition, just for the short term, because they use a lot of suppliers from China also on the short term on that. Hopefully they have enough inventory in place through their channels that they're protected.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Got it.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

They did have their two largest booking months in January and February for the past 12 months. That bodes very well.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Okay. Thank you.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you, Jim.

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you.

Operator

If you find your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. We will now take our next question from Mike Morales from Walthausen & Company . Please go ahead.

Mike Morales
Analyst, Walthausen & Company

Good morning, Craig, morning Dan. Thank you for taking my question.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Morning, Mike.

Mike Morales
Analyst, Walthausen & Company

Hey, Dan. In thinking about the China business and some customers looking to find alternate sources outside of China, I'm curious on how you are thinking about or how you'll know if that business is permanently lost. Are you seeing customers kind of saying that even though they might be able to get sort of a better price or a better quality out of Bel products coming out of China, the value right now for the near to medium term of diversifying the supply chain outside of China trumps that? How are you thinking about that?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

I think overall, I don't see we see a major effect with the coronavirus. Where we saw a major effect with is with tariffs. We lost a key customer because a competitor of ours was able to build product. We had one competitor that could build in the Philippines and one competitor that could build in Thailand. That resulted in a loss, going forward, of $17 million. That's why, one of the areas that we are looking at acquisitions, and we're also looking at manufacturing base outside of that for more of a tariff standpoint. We also have deep concerns about the Hong Kong-China relationship, what might happen in the future and under that situation. We do want to become less dependent on China, and that's our goal for the year, is to see if we can come up with different manufacturing sites.

In addition to that, we do have key customers that are like same with us, that are evaluating all their products. If they find any product that is 100% built in one country, they are trying to diversify and trying to find suppliers outside there. We do have one key customer that's working with us on possibly helping us set up a facility outside of China, and we should have a better idea about that when we report in the second quarter. We should have a lot more visibility. Basically, overall, it hasn't hit us that bad, but it is a concern we have, and we are looking at it, and hopefully we'll be addressing it in the second quarter.

Mike Morales
Analyst, Walthausen & Company

Sure, that's helpful. Dan, just to make sure that I heard you correctly, did you say that it was $17 million of revenue impact from the lost business shifting to other countries in the fourth quarter?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

That means-

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

No, it wouldn't be in the fourth quarter. It's basically about $13 million on an annual basis.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

$12.3 million.

Mike Morales
Analyst, Walthausen & Company

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Some of the commentary in the release talked about the positive trends that you guys have been seeing on the connector business and on magnetics. Can you talk about the trends that you're seeing on the orders for some of the different power products and maybe how the outlook for that is over the first half, second half of 2020?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

I think with power, we are trying to refocus. I think historically, we've been looking at the top tier customers, data center customers, the Googles, the Facebooks, the Microsoft of the world. We feel there's extreme amount of price pressure there. We probably could participate, but it probably ends up killing our margins. We're spending a lot of time focusing more. We're very strong in Europe with the Melcher brand. Also, we're very strong through the distribution channel now with CUI. We're really focused on going to more of an industrial look, rail market, second-tier, third-tier markets, where we feel we can offer a lot more engineering value to our customers and offer a lot more through the channel. Again, we are going through somewhat of a transition period.

We still are maintaining some of our key power customers, but we are using engineering resources to go more with a broad base in certain market segments.

Mike Morales
Analyst, Walthausen & Company

That's helpful. Then thinking last thing, maybe touching on the CUI acquisition. Maybe high level, is there anything that you feel that you can either take from CUI as far as best practices or bring from Bel to CUI in order to make the organizations run better? What kind of opportunities do you see to make CUI run better or help Bel run better?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Hopefully CUI can help us run better. Just to give you some background, we've been working with CUI for over four or five years. We had conversations to try to acquire them. We felt they had a very unique key strategy. Where they do very well is with the e-catalog people I call DigiKey, Mouser, that's owned by Berkshire Hathaway. What happens in the old days, when I first started, basically people bought product through a salesman knocking at a door. These people would either be reps that would work directly with a company or distributors that do resale. Over the past five or six years, as more and more people are using the internet to buy their products, and mostly for product development, and DigiKey and Mouser are the key drivers for that.

Instead of having a salesman talk to an engineer, engineers basically don't want to waste time with salespeople. They want to get on the internet, buy my product quickly, and put it into play. The best example of that is Cisco is our largest customer, as you probably know. We have two direct salespeople calling on Cisco. We have two engineers with badges calling on Cisco, we have, I think, three rep companies calling on Cisco. We get a fuse order from Cisco, we can't find out which one of these people sold the fuse to Cisco, we realize it came from DigiKey and had nothing to do with our sales team. What we feel with CUI is the largest power company at DigiKey. DigiKey is a $2 billion company.

They have 600 suppliers, and they compete against Murata, Artesyn, Delta, multi-billion dollar companies, and CUI is the largest power supply company. We feel that we can use a lot of their best practices in the e-catalog situation to really plant the seeds for Bel's future growth. In addition to that, with the CUI brand, with the Bel Fuse brand, we go from a number 25 supplier to a number 16 supplier. It gives us a lot more visibility to do a lot more marketing, branding with DigiKey than both of us could have done in the past. We just think it's just a home run opportunity. Again, we would like to work closely with them. We have one brand that's very well-suited to work with them, is our Signal Transformer group.

There's thousands of customers like CUI, and I think they can offer a lot of upside with both companies. Again, we did see an opportunity that we could invest in CUI, trying to work with us on a high volume of product. Again, I think we're very pleased, and I think it's a tremendous growth opportunity for Bel.

Mike Morales
Analyst, Walthausen & Company

Dan, that was very helpful. Thank you for that overview. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate it, folks.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Might have been a little too long winded, but I apologize about that. Great point.

I don't get too excited too often nowadays, so when I get my chance, I got to move quick.

Operator

Again, press star one to ask a question. We'll now take our next question from Hendi Susanto from Gabelli Funds. Please go ahead.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Good morning, Dan, Craig, and Lynn. First question.

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Hi, Hendi.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Can you quantify how much impact of lower productivity levels on gross margin can be?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

Related to the virus?

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Related to the lower productivity running at 50%-60%, and then hopefully it would go up toward, like, 80%-90%. Like, how should we correlate productivity level with gross margin?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

That's difficult to quantify, Hendi, because like you said, we've got people returning to the factories. In many cases, they're there, and they got there, and they weren't allowed to go to work because of some of the other factors Dan talked about. We are required to continue to pay their salaries while they're there, even if they're not working. It's kind of difficult to quantify what that impact is going to be.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Got it. Can you share CUI's gross margin profile or relative to Bel Fuse, as Bel Fuse has stated that CUI will enhance Bel Fuse gross margin profile?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

CUI will enhance it, particularly the margin profile of the power segment. I think we mentioned in our release, their margins are typically high 30%-low 40%, which is higher than what our typical margin are throughout the Power group at Bel. That definitely should show an improvement.

Lynn Hutkin
Director of Financial Reporting, Bel Fuse Inc

Hendi, last Friday, we did file an 8-K with pro formas that included CUI for 2018 and the nine months, 9/30 of 2019. That should give you an idea of their gross profit and how it improves Bel's results as well.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Yeah. Quick, when we look into the $5.7 million of annual cost saving, does that include the $0.5 million cost saving identified at CUI?

Craig Brosious
VP of Finance, Bel Fuse Inc

That would not include that. It also doesn't include the savings on the ERP system that we mentioned as well. These would be more kind of manufacturing and overhead savings that are included in the $5.7 million.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Also, I think CUI is up to $750 now, just to let you know.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Okay. Yeah. Then, can you share about new product introductions that you are planning for 2020 and Bel Fuse product footprint in 5G?

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Specifically, you got me on that. I know we're doing a lot in the RF on 5G, and we are introducing it. We do have a 5G catalog that we've introduced to the market. At this time, we don't see it taking off as fast as we'd do. All our product groups are focusing on where this is going to take us and see if we can have products to support it properly.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Okay, got it. Thank you, all the best.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you very much.

Hendi Susanto
Analyst, Gabelli Funds

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's Q&A. I would now like to turn the call back to you.

Dan Bernstein
President and CEO, Bel Fuse Inc

Thank you, and we appreciate your time, and hopefully, next quarter should be somewhat brighter visibility for the future. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.