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Earnings Call: Q3 2023

Nov 8, 2023

Operator

Thank you, and welcome to the Boxlight third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. By now, everyone should have access to the press release issued this afternoon. This call is being webcast and is available for replay. The remarks today will include statements that are considered forward-looking within the meanings of securities laws, including forward-looking statements about future results of operations, business strategies and plans, customer relationships, market trends, and potential growth opportunities. In addition, management may make additional forward-looking statements in response to your questions. Forward-looking statements are based on management's current knowledge and expectations as of today and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties and may cause the actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. A detailed discussion of such risks and uncertainties are contained in the company's most recent Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other reports filed with the SEC.

The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. On this call, management will refer to non-GAAP measures that, when used in combination with GAAP results, provide additional analytical tools to understand the company's operations. The company has provided reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in the earnings press release, which will be posted on the investor relations section of the company's website at boxlight.com. With that, I'll hand the call over to Boxlight's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Michael Pope.

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q3 earnings call. Following my remarks, you will also hear from Mark Starkey, our President, and Greg Wiggins, our Chief Financial Officer. Greg is joining from our corporate office in Atlanta, Georgia. Mark and I are joining from Singapore, where we're attending the largest education conference and exhibition in Asia. As part of our company's growth strategy, we are evaluating geographic expansion in the Asia-Pacific region, particularly in Indonesia, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, the Philippines, and Vietnam. We're meeting with several distribution and reseller partners at the conference this week. For the third quarter, we reported $50 million in revenue, $18 million in gross profit, and $4.9 million in adjusted EBITDA. Revenue declined by 28% for the quarter and by 23% for the nine months ended September 30th over the same periods last year.

The revenue decline was largely a result of softer industry demand. However, we also didn't capture market shares anticipated, specifically in key geographic markets and with certain product categories. We did maintain a strong gross profit margin, reporting 36% for the quarter and 37% for the nine months ended September 30th, both an improvement over 31% and 28% for the respective periods last year. In planning for the next several quarters, we have committed to be more financially conservative by reducing both our growth expectations and operating expense budget to ensure improved profitability. For the fourth quarter, we expect revenue and adjusted EBITDA to be in line with Q4 last year. For the full year 2024, we anticipate modest revenue growth driven by investments in, one, our enterprise vertical, two, certain geographic regions, and three, our expanded product suite.

To drive improved profit margins, we will be reducing certain G&A expenses that we expect will have minimal impact on short-term growth. We ended the quarter with a strong balance-

Operator

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Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

... Hello, sorry about the technical difficulties. I believe we're back now. Great. So I'm gonna jump back a little bit in our talk script. So I believe we talked about the fourth quarter expectations. Great. Did we talk about fourth quarter expectations? Okay. So for the fourth quarter, we expect revenue adjusted EBITDA to be in line with Q4 last year. And then for the full year, 2024, we anticipate a modest revenue growth driven by investments in, one, our enterprise vertical, two, certain geographic regions, and three, our expanded product suite. To drive improved profit margins, we will be reducing certain G&A expenses that we expect will have minimal impact on short-term growth.

We ended the quarter with a strong balance sheet, including $61 million in working capital, $18 million in cash, and $44 million in inventory. Our debt balance at quarter end was $48 million. Subsequent to quarter end, we paid down our debt facility by an additional $4 million, resulting in a current debt balance of approximately $44 million. Over the last 12 months, including the $4 million payment, we have reduced our debt facility by $15 million. In the near term, we plan to refinance our debt with a lower-cost facility, which will provide more favorable loan covenants and result in substantial interest expense savings. During the third quarter, we officially introduced our Google EDLA interactive panels, Clevertouch IMPACT Lux, and Mimio Pro G.

These new additions to our interactive panel lineup are the first to feature direct access to the Google Play Store. They're equipped with 50 touch points, cutting-edge micro antibacterial glass, and integrated NFC for quick user profile loading. Every Google EDLA-certified IMPACT Lux and Mimio Pro G display also includes accelerated level one and level two Google-certified training. We also launched our new range of Clevertouch commercial displays, powered by our award-winning digital signage platform, CleverLive. We're proud to offer a complete digital signage portfolio that supports all types of screen deployment requirements for customer environments in both our education and enterprise verticals. Our Clevertouch CM series display range includes high-bright panels, kiosks, 16-by-7 and 24-by-7 displays, menu boards, and LED video walls. During the third quarter, we were honored to win 9 Best of Back to School awards from Tech & Learning.

The awarded products span hardware, software, curriculum, and more, categorized by grade levels. We earned awards in both primary and secondary categories for our Mimio, MimioWall LED displays, Mimio DS Digital Signage Series, Mimio MyBot Recruit, Clevertouch IMPACT Lux Interactive Display, and FrontRow Teacher ActionMic, powered by Elevate Wireless Technology. This past Friday, CleverLive was also selected as the Digital Signage Technology of the Year by the renowned AV Awards, a highly respected industry recognition judged by experts from end-user organizations, consultants, and industry leaders. This victory solidifies our position as a leading player in the digital signage market.

We published multiple success stories in Q3, including our success of teacher Daniel Thompson at Ron Clark Academy in Atlanta, Georgia, inspiring student engagement with our Labdisc All-in-One Science Lab, and of Cameron Hefner, a STEM teacher at Liberty Local School District in Youngstown, Ohio, who has enriched STEM learning with our award-winning MyStemKit, MyStemKit STEM curriculum. Clevertouch's success stories showcase comprehensive solutions for LYNX Whiteboard software and CleverLive that enhance interactive learning, transforming classrooms into engaging hubs of education. We had two major rollouts with Worthy Down, part of the defense services in the U.K. The initial rollout was for 75 Clevertouch Impact Light touch panels, with some on carts for collaboration and ad hoc signage. The second phase enhanced campus communication via a cloud-based digital signage system using Clevertouch CM series displays and CleverLive for easy content management.

These examples highlight Boxlight's commitment to innovative and effective solutions, empowering all users. Lastly, I'd like to thank our shareholders, employees, reseller partners, and customers for your continued support. With our dedicated employees and industry-best solutions, we expect a return to revenue growth in 2024 and with stronger profit margins. With that, I will now turn the time over to our President, Mark Starkey.

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Thank you, Michael, and good morning, good afternoon, and good evening to everyone on the call. Q3 was a tougher quarter than we had expected, and we continue to face challenging market conditions in both the U.S. and EMEA. Despite this, we managed to book $48.5 million of orders in the quarter, which represents an 11% increase on Q3 last year. The return to growth order intake is key because it is an early indicator of revenue growth, and our expectations are that the business should start to return to moderate revenue growth in 2024. The U.S. accounted for 48% of our total order intake during Q3, with 51% coming from EMEA and 1% coming from the rest of the world.

Our market share for interactive flat panels increased marginally in EMEA in Q3, from 6.6% to 6.7%, but decreased in the U.S. from 8.4% to 6.3%, due in the main to some large one-off deals with other vendors. On a year-to-date basis, our market share in the U.S. has declined only marginally, from 6.9% to 6.2%, and in EMEA, it is broadly the same at 6% versus 6.1% last year. One of the main things that we are focused on is maintaining higher gross profit margins, and we have deliberately avoided some very low margin tender business, especially in Southern Europe, which is part of the reason for the marginal decline in market share.

In other markets, we have made some strong gains, such as Australia, where we have increased our market share from 14.9% to 18.8% over the past year. In Finland, we grew our market share from 36.9% to 40.1%, and in Switzerland, we grew from 14.4% to 19.9% compared with last year, according to data from Futuresource. We have very high market share in some other European countries, such as Austria, where we have 36.7%, Ireland, where we have 34.7%, Belgium with 28.1%, and Denmark with 22.7%. The most important market in EMEA remains Germany, and this is where we have the largest opportunity as our market share is relatively low at 5.2%.

Over the past 12 months, we have doubled the size of the German sales team, and our expectation is that we can achieve double-digit market share within the next two years. Some of our key orders in the U.S. included $7 million from ELB, currently our fastest-growing partner, $5 million from Bluum, $2.6 million from Camara Mundi, based in Puerto Rico, and $1.2 million from GDI, a U.S. distribution partner. Overseas, we had some excellent orders, including $2.3 million from IDNS in the U.K., $1.2 million from Cancom in Germany, and $1 million from Charmex International in Spain, to name a few. Our new generation of Google-accredited Clevertouch screens started shipping during Q3, and customer feedback has been excellent. Our Google-accredited Mimio screens will start shipping during Q4 in the U.S.

We believe these fully integrated Google screens will prove very popular with school districts. In the U.S., we had some fantastic wins, including over 3,000 panels and stands shipped to El Paso School District in Texas by our partner, ELB. We also continued to supply more than $1.2 million of panels to Las Cruces, New Mexico, again, by ELB. We had some great wins in Michigan, with over $1 million of screens and audio solutions delivered by our partner, DAT. In Dayton, Ohio, we won a very large order to supply our FrontRow audio solutions across the district, worth over $1.5 million via our partner, Bluum. In the U.K., we supplied our first shipment of 1,100 screens to the Welsh schools via our partner, IDNS, worth approximately $1.7 million.

We also had some great wins in Germany, shipping 600 screens under the KID tender via our partner, Cancom, worth approximately $1.2 million. We also won the Düsseldorf tender of 400 screens, which shipped during the quarter, worth approximately $800,000. In summary, despite Q2 revenues being down, we booked the first increase in order intake in five quarters, and we believe this marks a turning point in the cycle with a steady return to revenue and EBITDA growth. With that, I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Greg Wiggins.

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Thanks, Mark, and good afternoon, everyone. I will now review our third quarter results. Revenues for the three months ended September 30, 2023, were $49.7 million, as compared to $68.7 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022, resulting in a 27.7% decrease and was due to lower sales volumes across all markets. Gross profit for the three months ended September 30, 2023, was $18 million, as compared to $21 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022. Gross profit margin for Q3 2023 was 36.3%, which is an increase of 570 basis points over the comparable 2022 quarter.

Gross profit margin, adjusted for the net effect of acquisition-related purchase accounting, was 37.2%, as compared to 31.6%, as adjusted, for the three months ended September 30, 2022. The improvement in gross profit margin in Q3 2023 compared to Q3 2022, is primarily due to lower manufacturing costs and continued reductions in freight costs over the prior year period. Total operating expenses for Q3 2023 were $29.6 million and included a goodwill impairment charge of approximately $13.2 million, due primarily to lower sales volume stemming from the industry downturn and a change in the company's reporting segments in 2023, which resulted in a change in the company's reporting units.

Other expense for the three months ended September 30, 2023, was a net expense of $3.1 million, as compared to net expense of $2.8 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022. The increase in expense was primarily due to an increase in interest expense of approximately $400,000, partially offset by gains recognized from the change in fair value of derivative liabilities of approximately $200,000 in Q3 2023. The company reported a net loss of $17.8 million for the three months ended September 30, 2023, as compared to net income of $3.1 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022.

Net loss attributable to common shareholders was approximately $18.1 million for Q3 2023, compared with a net income attributable to common shareholders of $2.8 million for Q3 2022, after deducting the fixed dividends to Series B preferred shareholders of $317,000 in both 2023 and 2022. Total comprehensive loss for the three months ended September 30, 2023, was $20.6 million, compared to total comprehensive loss of $1.9 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022, reflecting the effect of foreign currency translation adjustments on consolidation, with the net effect in the quarter of approximately $2.9 million loss and $5 million loss for the three months ended September 30, 2023 and 2022, respectively. EPS loss per basic and diluted share was $1.90 for Q3 2023.

EPS per basic and diluted share for Q3, 2022, was $0.31 and $0.28, respectively. EBITDA loss for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, was $9.4 million, which included the goodwill impairment charge of $13.2 million, as compared to $8.5 million EBITDA for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. Adjusted EBITDA for Q3, 2023, was $4.9 million, as compared to $9.9 million for Q3, 2022. Adjustments to EBITDA include stock-based compensation expense, impairment of goodwill, gains and losses from the remeasurement of derivative liabilities, gains and losses recognized upon the settlement of certain debt instruments, and the effects of purchase accounting adjustments in connection with recent acquisitions.

EBITDA loss for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, was $3 million, as compared to $12.9 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2022. Adjusted EBITDA for Q3, 2023, was $13.7 million, as compared to $16.3 million for Q3, 2022. Turning to the balance sheet, at September 30, 2023, Boxlight had $18.4 million in cash, $61.4 million in working capital, $44.1 million in inventory, $180.3 million in total assets, $44.4 million in debt, net of debt issuance cost of $3.6 million, and $30.6 million in stockholders' equity. At September 30, 2023, Boxlight had 9.6 million common shares issued and outstanding, and 3.1 million preferred shares issued and outstanding.

At September 30, 2023, the company was not in compliance with the senior leverage ratio under its credit agreement. The company's non-compliance was cured by the company paying $4 million principal in November, which would have resulted in the company being in compliance with the senior leverage ratio at September 30, 2023. The company is actively seeking to refinance its debt with new lenders that the company believes will be on terms more favorable to the company. Following the $4 million principal repayment, the company's debt balance is approximately $44 million. Including the $4 million paid in November, since Q3 2022, the company has repaid principal on its credit facility of approximately $15 million.

We continue to strategically review our capital structure and use of free cash, including but not limited to, paying down debt, executing on our share repurchase program, and finding more attractive financing arrangements to replace our current facilities. We believe that cash flow from operations will continue to support our ongoing operations without the need for additional equity or debt financing. With that, we'll open up the call for questions.

Operator

Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Your first question for today is coming from Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Great, thanks for taking my questions. Can you help reconcile the stronger orders you were seeing in July through the first few, few weeks of August and even for the quarter? You talked about that at the end of the second quarter conference call. Can you reconcile that with the lower-than-expected revenue? I think we were looking for a lot more than was delivered. Did you see order cancellations that may have made orders stronger? Did some of the demand disappear? Just trying to understand what changed so quickly versus what was said, I think it was mid-August.

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Yeah. Hi, Brian. Look, I think, you know, basically it was softer demand. We didn't have any canceled orders. We expected, and I think the industry was expecting much stronger demand in Q3. We started to see that, but it just didn't really take off, and the second half of Q3 was a lot slower than we expected. So, you know, the bottom line is, it was just softer demand across the board, both in the U.S. and EMEA during Q3.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

And so, you're at a time-

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Yeah, I would add to that.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Go on.

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Yeah, we just had, you know, we ended the quarter with an increase in customer orders, up 11%, just, you know, which we expected, you know, we expected greater than that, but, but we did see a nice increase, but not nearly to the extent we thought. And then, you know, leading into Q4, I'll just mention, you probably heard that we're guiding really-

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Yeah

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

R evenue to be flat, adjusted revenue to be flat with last year. That's really as a result of Q3 being a little bit slower than we expected rolling into Q4. But we are still quite optimistic for next year. You know, looking at our-

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Yeah

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Pipeline and other indicators, we do believe we'll start to see growth again next year.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

I guess with the industry and even Boxlight expecting stronger demand, what are customers saying? You're at a conference now. You're seeing customers. Is it a lack of budgets? Have they already adopted enough new technology they're trying to digest, in the classroom? What do you think has changed in terms of the market dynamic, or what are you hearing that's changed?

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

... I think generally, Brian, it's just, you know, it's a, you know, customers just like, not maybe as urgent as they were. I mean, definitely after the pandemic and, you know, the stresses on the global supply chains, there was a lot of urgency and a huge amount of orders being placed. And, you know, maybe, you know, some end users, you know, spent a lot of their budgets. And now, you know, we're looking at big projects which, oh, we're expecting Q3. No, no, it's just delayed a few months. It's now happening in Q4. Oh, that's been pushed into the new year. That's kind of what we're seeing. It's not a-- there's not one big thing. It's just a general, you know, people are not as urgent to place large orders and kind of just slowing down slightly.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Now, assuming revenue is flat year-over-year, I get that G&A cuts take some time, but you have much better shipping rates. You've talked about much higher gross margin. If revenue was flattish, why wouldn't EBITDA be higher? Even marginally.

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

But looking into next year, yeah-

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

No, I'm just talking about the fourth quarter because the rates recovered at the beginning of the year. I'm just looking at year-over-year in the fourth quarter. I get the next year is a different story.

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

I mean, gross profit in Q4 last year, I think, was just under 34%, and I think we were running at, you know, you know, a bit higher than that in Q3. So, it's gonna start to get marginal. You did start to see gross profits increase at the end of last year, so I think it would be, you know, marginal differences.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Okay. And then from the competitive landscape-

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Hey, Brian, just real quick comment on that. I think that's really been, you know, the... For this year, for 2023, we started the year with a bit lower gross profit margin in Q, kind of early in the year, and it kind of ramped. Or actually, that was, I guess, really, I guess beginning of last year, we had-

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Q1.

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

We had Q1 especially was tough. But we also ramped a little bit kind of this year, and we have kind of higher gross profit margin. We've guided—Last quarter, we mentioned we didn't know that we could sustain, you know, 37%-38% type margins, that may come down some. So I think in event to be conservative, you know, Q4 going into next year, you know, I don't know that you ought to expect, you know, the 36%-38% gross profit margin, but we ought to be, you know, kind of, you know, maybe, maybe closer to 35% or so, something like that. And so if that's the case, then we're not gonna be real far off from Q4 last year, so.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Got it. Yeah, two more questions. The first one is-

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Sorry, Brian, I was gonna-

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Okay, go ahead. Sorry.

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

The margin for Q4 last year, just a reminder, was, you know, close to 34%. So as Michael was saying, it was actually ticking upward toward the end of last year. So while that's held and actually increased, you know, for a good portion of the 2023 year, you know, we'll still probably see that start to decline just a little bit. So the pickup from the margin increase, you know, when we're looking at Q4, won't necessarily be as drastic as-

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Not as great.

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Yep.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Yep. And then on the gaining market share, you've been gaining market share for several quarters. Has anything changed from a competitive perspective, number one? And then in Germany, you're talking about the biggest opportunity to gain share. What do you think makes that market right for market share gains? And then I have one last question.

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Yeah, maybe I'll say a couple of things, Mark, and you can jump in kind of more specifically. Yes, so if you look at this year, year to date, you know, we have not gained kind of across the board in our major markets, U.S. and EMEA. If you look at those blended, as Mark shared in his portion of the talk track, we didn't really gain much market share. So that was a little bit disappointing that that didn't happen. You know, this year, we were relatively flat with the market. Now, we did in certain geographies, we did have upticks, and other ones, we were down a little bit. But we're pretty optimistic that that can turn next year and that we will start to gain market share.

Now, when we talk about market share data, too, we're only really talking about interactive flat panel displays, 'cause that's the market share data that we subscribe to and we receive. We don't see a lot of market data around our other solution suite. But you know, speaking to growth in the next year, I'll talk a little bit more broadly, and then, Mark, you can talk maybe specifically of Germany other markets. But talking more broadly, looking to next year, the reason that we think we can see some growth is because we've invested in the enterprise vertical. We're gonna, we know we're gonna bring in some new business and enterprise, so that's one. Secondly, we invested in certain geographies.

You mentioned Germany, which Mark, Mark will talk more about, but that's an example of a geography where we're gonna see some growth geographically based on people investments we've made in those areas. The third is growth in our product suite because we've launched a lot of new products. If you look over the last 12 months, we launched our new line of non-interactive displays. Those are new in the U.S. We didn't have those before. Our new LED video walls, newly launched this year. Our new MediaHubs, newly launched this year. Our EDLA interactive flat panel display is new this year. A lot of the new integrations between our audio solution and our interactive flat panels, including our tension solution, newly launched this year. Large investments in our software, in LYNX Whiteboard and MimioConnect, CleverLive, and other software solutions.

So a lot of these product investments, that's that 30 area where we expect to see growth. So even if the interactive flat panel display market is relatively flat next year, which we expect it to be in the U.S. and EMEA, we are gonna see some growth because of those investments in those various areas. And we think that because of that, we'll take a little bit of market share as well within the IFPD space.

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

So I'll just quick one on Germany, Brian, because you're asking about Germany. So look, it's now the biggest market for IFPDs in Europe. It wasn't, you know, until that's changed in the last 18 months. It's the biggest market. And across Europe, in many countries, we actually have really high market share, and Germany is the one that stands out as being significantly lower. Last year, we were at 4.5% in Germany. We're now up to 5.2%, but we hired and significantly, like, we doubled the size of our German sales team from, like, 5 to 10. And that's only really, you know, that happened over the last 12 months. Those guys are now starting to kick in, in terms of really winning some big deals.

The other thing is we've just next week, we're actually flying out to Germany, and we're opening our first showroom in Germany. So again, it kind of gives us more presence in Germany, and that will be a key market for us to grow. And we think we've got the right team there to grow market share.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Great. My last question on the debt covenants. Sounds like you're back in compliance after paying $4 million, if I have that right. What is the required covenant for the net leverage ratio or whatever covenant you missed, so we can gauge where you are or going to be in the future?

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Sure. So for Q4, it will be 2.5 x, and that's in accordance, you know, with the original debt agreement that we entered into. Obviously, as we've said, you know, we're actively looking to seek refinancing on our credit facility. And, you know, we're optimistic that, you know, we'll be able to find a solution that, you know, will give us more favorable terms in the not-too-distant future. So we're optimistic about that. I would say that, you know, in terms of just overall leverage ratio, you know, even despite the four-quarter downturn, you know, the industry's experienced, again, which we've started to see some early signs, you know, of turnaround.

You know, that even with the last 4 quarters being downturn, our leverage ratio has been maintained under 3x, which, you know, I think is you know speaks to the, you know, positive EBITDA we've been able to generate, you know, through our improved margins. So, you know, it went down to 2.5, but-

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

You have to get to 2.5, or that's where you're gonna be?

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

2.5 is our requirement for Q4.

Brian Kinstlinger
Managing Director, Director of Research, and Head of Technology Research, Alliance Global Partners

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Greg Wiggins
CFO, Boxlight

Yep.

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Jack Vander Aarde at Maxim Group.

Jack Vander Aarde
SVP and Senior Research Analyst, Maxim Group

Okay, great. Thanks for the update, guys. And, you know, many of my questions have been asked, but, you know, maybe I'll just circle back to kind of the guidance. So, so last quarter, the overall tone and just kind of verbal body language felt like you were pretty confident in the third quarter outlook, and obviously, you had a slower back half than expected. But just looking at the fourth quarter guidance, and relative to kind of the, the tone and body language from last quarter, how confident are you in hitting those targets for the fourth quarter?

Mark Starkey
President, Boxlight

Yeah. Hi, Jack, it's Mark Starkey here. Listen, look, we're pretty confident. I think we try to be more conservative on the Q4 call. We basically said, look, flat, we're 20-22. Q3 was disappointing, right? Yeah, the second half especially, right? You know, when we did our call three months ago, we did. You know, we could see we were gonna definitely grow an order intake. We actually thought the growth in order intake would be higher than what it ended up with. We ended up with 11. We thought it could be potentially north of 20%. So it was definitely slower on the second half of Q3. We have been more conservative in our guidance for Q4, as I'd say.

Jack Vander Aarde
SVP and Senior Research Analyst, Maxim Group

Okay. No, that makes sense. That's helpful. And then maybe just, Michael, you opened up with comments about Asia and everyone's different geographical positions or locations. Can you maybe just talk a little bit more about your expansion opportunity plans in Asia? And, you know, it sounds like you're somewhat early in maybe the evaluation phases, but when might you see some tangible results from, you know, any new potential Asia market opportunities?

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Yeah. So right now, clearly, the biggest opportunities for growth for us are in the U.S., and then I would say Western Europe, particularly Germany. We're also seeing a lot more opportunity in Eastern Europe. We also have an employee now in the Middle East, and we're seeing more opportunities in the Middle East. But so I think, you know, again, the U.S. and MEA region are by far the largest growth opportunities for us over the next twelve months. But we're just starting to, and we sell some in the APAC region, and particularly Australia, do it quite well. And we have sold in other countries throughout Southeast Asia.

Not large quantities, but I would say, you know, we're optimistic we can start to see some meaningful growth even over the next 12 months in that region. But I would say if you're looking at, you know, again, over the next 12 months in particular, it's substantial growth. It's really going to come from our kind of existing territories over the next, you know, next two quarters.

Jack Vander Aarde
SVP and Senior Research Analyst, Maxim Group

Okay. And then maybe just in terms of some of the orders that were slow, you know, and the slowdown kinda happened in the back half of the quarter. Can you talk about maybe... Was there any nuanced trends, a bigger slowdown in corporate enterprise versus your K - 12 education markets? So was there any sort of distinct trends there, or was it pretty much just, was it really indeed general overall softness?

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Well, if you, if you look at overall business, enterprise is less than 10% of our total business. I mean, we are largely, really largely a K-12, education company today. Now, we're looking to grow that enterprise, you know, vertical, and that's happening. Actually, we saw growth in enterprise, and we think we're gonna see substantial growth in enterprise next year. And so it wasn't, it wasn't the enterprise vertical, it was, it was purely education vertical that, that, that was slower than expected.

Jack Vander Aarde
SVP and Senior Research Analyst, Maxim Group

Okay, understood. I think that's it for me, guys. I appreciate the update, and good luck going forward. Thank you.

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Thanks, Jack.

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I will now turn the call over to Michael for closing remarks.

Michael Pope
Chairman and CEO, Boxlight

Thank you, everybody, for joining the call today, and we appreciate your support. We look forward to speaking again in March when we will report our 2023 full year results.

Operator

This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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