Welcome to the Blackstone Second Quarter 2013 Investor Call. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Joan Solitar, Senior Managing Director, External Relations and Strategies. Please proceed.
Great. Thanks, Chantalet. Good morning and happy summer, and welcome to our Q2 2013 conference call. So I'm joined today by Steve Schwarzman, Chairman and CEO, who's calling in from Europe Tony James, President and Chief Operating Officer Laurence Tosi, CFO and Weston Tucker, Head of Investor Relations. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and a slide presentation illustrating our results.
Hopefully, you have that and it's also available on our website and we're going to file the 10 Q in a few weeks. So I'd like to remind you that today's call may include forward looking statements, which are uncertain and outside of the firm's control. Actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of some of the risks that could affect the firm's results, please see the Risk Factors section of our 10 ks. And we don't undertake any duty to update forward looking statements.
We will refer to non GAAP measures on the call and for reconciliations for those refer to the press release. I'd also like to remind you that nothing on the call constitutes an offer to sell or solicit as an offer to purchase any interest in any Blackstone fund. This audio cast is copyrighted material of Blackstone and may not be duplicated, reproduced or rebroadcast without consent. So a quick recap of our results. Economic net income or E and I of $0.62 for the 2nd quarter.
That's up sharply from $0.19 in the Q2 of last year, mostly driven by higher management fees and higher performance fees in every one of our businesses. Distributable earnings were also up 0.28 dollars for the Q2, that's a 73% increase from last year's Q2. And for the year to date period, distributable earnings were $0.62 per unit, which was nearly double the prior year period. As always, if you have any questions on anything in the earnings to 1 or 2 and then just get back in the queue. Thanks.
And now I'll turn it over to Steve Schwarzman.
Thanks, Joan, and thanks for joining our call. Investors across almost all asset classes have recently been concerned about the prospect of rising interest rates, as you can tell from the earlier call that Tony was handling. It appears that markets predictably overreacted initially to the Fed's indication on when and how it might start tapering its bond purchase program. Stock markets in the U. S, which initially declined up to 8% have now recovered in only 3 weeks to regain record levels.
Interest rates have started to decline slowly to market peak as investors recognize that the Fed will act with prudence not to stifle the economic recovery. Higher rates, as Tony mentioned, are not per se negative for Blackstone, as investors may have initially believed. Historically, we performed well in periods of rising rates and we are well positioned today given our mix of businesses and investments. When rates rise in tandem with better economic activity, the result is higher cash flows for most of our private equity and real estate assets and higher returns for our hedge fund solutions businesses. Our credit operations benefit because they tend to invest in floating rate not fixed rate assets and they obtain higher yields on their mezzanine and rescue lending assets.
To share an example with you with some numbers. In real estate, we look back at periods of rising rates. During the past 20 years, we see the impact on values. In each of these periods, plus the following year, commercial real estate values rose between 4% 15% on an annualized basis in both the private and public markets. So that question you asked Tony, in the past 20 years, in each of these periods where interest rates went up on commercial real estate, plus the following year, commercial real estate values rose between 4% 15% on an annualized basis in both the private and public markets.
Going back further, but this time on the residential side, interest rates rose in 26 of the past 50 years. And in every single one of those years, when interest rates rose, home prices actually increased. So the premise of investors and the concerns on the real estate side are basically belied by the facts. Our business and returns benefit from strengthening economic activity. And today we see pockets of significant strength in the U.
S. Economy including housing, auto, energy and technology. This is offset to some degree by pressure on consumers as well as the continuing federal government dysfunction, which reduces confidence generally. In our own private equity portfolio, trends are improving, as Tony mentioned, with year on year revenue growth up 5% and EBITDA up 8% both in the 2nd quarter, 8% increase in EBITDA in the quarter, a good thing. This helped drive continued appreciation of our portfolio of 5.4% for the quarter and 29% over the last 12 months or nearly $8,000,000,000 in total equity value appreciation.
Make sure you understand that, 29% increase in our private equity portfolio in a year. Our real estate business has achieved similarly strong performance so far this year with our opportunistic funds appreciating 5.7 for the quarter in line with what private equity was doing basically and 19% over the past 12 months, with helped by sustained strong cash flow. In Hilton, our largest investment, which grew 17 percent EBITDA in the first half of twenty thirteen and now has over 4,000 hotels globally. 17% growth in the first half is really fantastic. Our hedge fund solutions business or BAM had a composite return of 2% in the quarter and is up over 13% for the past 12 months.
This performance is double the HFR index with only 1 third of the market's volatility. As the largest allocator to hedge funds globally, our scale gives us many advantages, including capacity with the best managers, broad insights to market trends and access to the best ideas. And finally, our various credit strategy to GSO rose 5% to 7% for the Q2 despite a sell off in the last month. And remarkably 22% to 42% for the past 12 months, sharply outperforming virtually every benchmark for that period. As a result of our compelling investment performance across market and economic cycles, we've been able to raise dramatically more capital than any of our peers.
For example, we raised $14,000,000,000 in the 2nd quarter alone, most of which was in our real estate and credit businesses. In real estate, we had our 1st Asia fund closing at $1,500,000,000 marking strong investor reception to our 1st dedicated fund in the region. We're targeting a total raise of $4,000,000,000 for this strategy, which be one of the largest first fund raises in our history. In our real estate debt strategies area, we raised $2,000,000,000 our new drawdown fund during the Q2 alone, followed by an additional flows in July that brought us to $3,500,000,000 of available capital. In late May, we raised an additional $660,000,000 for our permanent In an oversubscribed offering, we could have sold 3 or 4 times that amount.
In total, our real estate debt strategies business started in 2,008 is now over $10,000,000,000 in stock. The credit GSL, we continue to see strong inflows into our various products. This is a sharp contrast to the record outflows you've been seeing from bond mutual funds, which is not our business. Our new rescue lending vehicle has raised $5,000,000 reaching its cap. This is more than 50% larger than our prior rescue fund, which also hit its cap.
In fact, all of the flagship drawdown funds we've raised since GSO joined Blackstone in 2,008 have reached their respective caps. So the GSO team really is doing a terrific job. Also in credit, our new ETF which trades under
the sticker
SRLN has raised $375,000,000 since its commencement in April, making it the most successful of any new ETF launched in 2013. We expect continued growth as many investors trade out of long duration assets and fixed rate assets into floating rate products like SR, LM and the other things we do throughout GSO. Our hedge fund solutions business reported $1,600,000,000 in net inflows in the 2nd quarter despite the fact that the second and fourth quarters are the primary redemption quarters. Year to date net inflows were $2,500,000,000 And on private equity, we'll continue to see strong LP interest for our tactical opportunities business, which raised an additional $325,000,000 during the quarter. In terms of capital deployment, investors frequently ask us if we can invest all the capital that we're raising with the same types of returns we've delivered historically.
By the way, they've been asking that question for over 20 years. The answer is that we continue to find very attractive opportunities to put capital to work around the world, leveraging our brands, deep sector expertise.
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Decline investment opportunities remain globally with lots of distressed or over leveraged assets enabling us to buy the discount to physical replacement costs. The competitive landscape remains attractive with very little competition for large scale deals. During the quarter, we invested 2 thirds of our capital in the United States, 1 quarter in Europe. We also committed to our 1st large scale joint deal with our partner in Brazil, to acquire a controlling interest in their nation's best in class branded national developer of residential lots. In credit, the low rate environment we saw for most of the first half of the year, while great for realizations, made it more difficult to deploy capital.
However, as rates move up, this is good for opportunistic credit investment. For example, in 2011, we invested approximately 1 third of our 1st rescue lending fund in the months following S and P's downgrade of the U. S. Rating. In private equity, competition remains high for new investments.
We've been able to leverage our global network and brand to source exclusive and proprietary deals. Financing for new buyouts remains available on attractive terms, although there is more demand for floating rate leverage loans than for fixed rate bonds over the near term, given expectations for rate increases. The last topic I'd like to discuss is our realization activity, which is the biggest driver of cash earnings for our public investors. Realizations rose to $6,600,000,000 in the second quarter, up from $1,400,000,000 last year. I'll just give you that number again because there's so many numbers in these presentations.
Our realizations rose from the Q2
by $6,600,000,000
up from $1,400,000,000 last year. Over the past 12 months, we've had $21,000,000,000 in total realizations. Activity has increased sharply in every business. In credit, we have $2,700,000,000 in realizations for the quarter, primarily reflecting CLO activity as well as realization out of our first mezzanine fund as a lot of people prepaid. In private equity, we had $1,600,000,000 of realizations in the quarter, mostly in BCP V, which did not drive carried interest yet.
This includes the very successful IPO for SeaWorld, which was priced at $27 a share, the top end of the filing We've since traded up another 42%. Since the beginning of last year, private equity realizations totaled nearly $8,000,000,000 This is a really big number as healthy equity capital markets have allowed several public market engines including 5 IPOs and 17 secondaries. We have 3 more private equity IPOs on file and we can see several more in the coming quarters. Lastly, in real estate, we had over $2,000,000,000 of realizations in the quarter, more than double last year's 2nd quarter, $175,000,000 in realized performance fees versus $21,000,000 last year. This was largely driven by the sale of our remaining general growth property stock with a 2.3 times multiple of our investment after 2.5 year hold.
If we could do that with everything that would be a very happy world and we do do it with a vast number of our investments. We also announced the sale of our EVT Retail Portfolio did EDR at a multiple of $350,000,000 investment of approximately 2 times and that was double the money we've earned for our fund investors after only a 1 year hold. We expect this sale to close in October. The capital is fully recyclable as it's in our BREP 7 fund. Looking forward, we remain confident we'll see further acceleration in activity later this year next year.
In fact, this morning, we filed an IPO of Brixmor, one of the largest growth anchored shopping center companies, which is our 3rd largest real estate investment.
In summary, we feel great about our business, which we believe is deeply positioned
in the alternative investment area as the only firm of its type with world scale operations in real estate, private equity, hedge funds and credit. We've raised over the last 2 years more capital with our 4 closest competitors together. Our team is extremely experienced with an unalterable commitment to excellence in all we do. I continue to believe our stock is significantly undervalued. And with that, I'd like to ask Lawrence Tozzi, LT, to take over with a review of our financial results.
Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone. By almost any measure, it has been a record start to 2013. Blackstone continues on a steady trend of industry leading growth as total AUM reached a record 230,000,000,000 dollars up 21% year over year marked by $42,000,000,000 of inflows and $25,000,000,000 of value created, together which far outpaced the $28,000,000,000 of capital returned to investors over the same period. Each of our investment businesses again saw double digit increases in AUM as every segment ended the quarter at record levels of assets.
Our sustained growth is the result of both our ability to achieve returns for our fund investors and continually innovate new products and ideas. We leverage the leading scale and performance of our core global funds, which serve as anchors to launch adjacent complementary strategies. This competitive advantage is evident in our strategic efforts in the high net worth channels. While you may have read about recent forays into this fast and growing segment by industry competitors, Blackstone has invested heavily in this market for several years. As a result of those efforts, today we have an efficient scale distribution effort and have created one of the fastest growing capital sources for every single one of our businesses.
In true Blackstone's fashion, virtually every senior manager in the firm has personally dedicated time and effort to developing this channel and the platform we have built has raised more than $14,000,000,000 of assets, including $5,400,000,000 raised in the past 12 months alone. The Blackstone brand and historical performance are compelling to this market as evidenced by our last several fundraisers literally selling out on some of the world's biggest retail channels. And as Tony highlighted this morning, we think we are in the very early stages of the impact that this channel can have on the firm. Turning to earnings. Blackstone's diversity and fund outperformance overcame the market headwinds in the 2nd quarter.
Revenue for the first half of the year reached a record $2,700,000,000 up 66% over the same period last year and earnings nearly doubled to $1,300,000,000 at a 50% margin. The main driver of revenue was fund performance, which produced a 150% increase in performance fees to $1,300,000,000 for the first half of the year, also a record. The fastest growing component of Blackstone's earnings continued to be realizations, which helped double distributable earnings to $730,000,000 for the first half of the year. Some further observations and facts about Blackstone's 2nd quarter and first half results. At quarter end, the net performance fee receivable, a key forward indicator of earnings, reached a record 2,500,000,000 In Real Estate, the net performance fee receivable is now $1,600,000,000 as $30,000,000,000 of assets are generating performance fees in an increasingly favorable environment for realizations.
Private Equity now has 633,000,000 dollars of net accrued performance fees with $500,000,000 of that in BCP IV, which is 47% publicly traded. Additionally, DCP VI and BEV, our energy fund, are both accruing in full carry and are 28% and 48% public respectively. Our 2,007 vintage fund BTP V continued to make good progress towards the preferred return threshold. In the last year, BCP V created $5,000,000,000 of value, almost halving to $3,700,000,000 the amount needed to reach the carry threshold. In credit, performance fees grew 80% year over year, proving that that business is not only largely insulated from rate rises, but actually grows and benefits in the current and expected rate environment.
In Hedge Fund Solutions, 96% of eligible assets are now generating performance fees in the first half of $100,000,000 up 5 fold, which also drove an 80% growth in first half earnings. You should remember that incentive fees in hedge fund solutions and our credit hedge funds accrued through the year, but are largely earned in the Q4 from a cash realization perspective. Currently, we have $0.14 per unit accrued in the first half alone based on the strong performance of those funds. Additionally, advisory posted a strong quarter particularly in restructuring, which had one of the best starts to a year in its history. Our strategic M and A and fundraising businesses both posted double digit gains in revenue versus the Q1.
The strength in fundamental earnings has also impacted the firm's balance sheet, which includes a total of $7,000,000,000 in net assets or $6.31 a unit in the 2nd quarter, up nearly 40% over the same period last year. As part of our continuing effort to lead in terms of transparency and unitholder alignment, we announced today that we would no longer reduce distributable earnings by the non cash expense associated with equity related awards. These awards consistent with GAAP have always been part of our historical compensation expense and ratios and that will not change. Cash distributions however will no longer be reduced by this expense, which added $0.01 per unit to our distributable earnings and cash payout this quarter. This new policy would have added $0.08 a unit to distributions for the full year 2012 with 6 of those $0.08 coming in the 4th quarter when most of these awards are made and expensed against earnings.
Historically, these awards are 8% to 9% of fee based compensation and we expect that to remain the case with respect to timing and amounts. The historical impact of this increase to distributable earnings can be seen on page 30 of this morning's release in detail. I should also point out that over 6 years since we went public, our share count has only slightly increased by 38,000,000 shares or 3 point 4%, roughly 60 basis points a year. In closing, a few key data points to consider. Over the past 5 years, Blackstone has nearly doubled assets.
We've increased earnings ninefold at a 56% compound annual growth rate and distributed $3,500,000,000 of cash to investors including $1,300,000,000 in the last 12 months alone. Looking forward, the key drivers of future performance demonstrate the momentum behind our positioning against a dynamic market backdrop. We now have $95,000,000,000 in performance fee earning assets, up 63% year over year across 100 different funds and vehicles, providing a broad base of earnings power for future value creation. We also have record dry powder of $39,000,000,000 up $3,000,000,000 year over year despite $16,000,000,000 in capital deployed over the last 12 months. And finally, we have $17,000,000,000 in committed capital not yet earning management fees and several scaled fundraising initiatives underway.
On behalf of everyone at Blackstone, we thank you for your time and joining this call and we welcome any questions you may have.
And just a reminder, if you can limit it to one question first go around and then to queue up just because we have a long list.
Your first question comes from the line of Matt Kelly of Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.
Thanks guys. So just curious the commentary on the real estate investments was really interesting. So it seems as though especially given Brixmor the lifecycle for a lot of these real estate investments has shortened. So I'm just curious Steve to get your view on how close we are to and I know that's a broad statement, but if you think about your real estate portfolio, how close we are to getting back to more regular normal as you think about it life cycles for these investments or if we're still at kind of a very short life cycle when you think about spending them?
I don't this is Steve. I don't think our life cycle has changed materially. What's happening is when we buy things, I guess, our approach is buy it, fix it, sell it. And that happens over periods that vary slightly with changes in economic activity. And so you're seeing that accelerate in the U.
S. Because we started buying very large amounts of real estate really about 3 years ago in real scale. And we've been the largest purchaser in the world with vastly exceeding, vastly multiples of anyone else. The cycle is changing now in Europe, where that will be an investment cycle that will take longer to come out of by the nature of the underlying European economy, which is evidencing virtually no growth. Asia will have another cycle still, because it's continuing to grow, but it's experiencing real estate credit shortages as some of those economies grow slower and the economies generate other problems besides just real estate developers who can't sell out projects.
So I don't think we're experiencing something slower.
We're just dealing
with the maturation cycles in different geographic areas.
Okay. And then my follow-up
And as it relates to the hold time itself, I think it's fairly typical when you're buying at distressed assets, the rise can happen faster. And so the hold times can be shorter. As we've talked about for assets that were bought in 2006, 2007 perhaps the hold time there is has been longer than typical?
Yes. It's Tony. I think you'll see in general across all of our businesses in rising markets what happens is when we make an investment we have a target value that we think is sort of intrinsic value. And we try to buy below intrinsic value in down markets. And then in rising markets sometimes the values get up to that level quicker.
But it's private equity, real estate, credit all of them. And so you'll see holding periods come in a little bit in rising markets and extend in declining markets and it kind of depends on how quickly we can get assets and realize what we think is what we feel. Yeah. Fair intrinsic value.
Your next question comes from the line of Michael Kim of Sandler O'Neill. Please proceed.
Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Just to follow-up on the real estate front. Can you just talk about the thinking behind the Brixmor IPO filing, particularly as it relates to your outlook for real estate more broadly. So is this kind
of the first step of the exit strategy
where you're selling down sort of the ownership stake over time similar to the process you typically follow on the private equity side And does that suggest you still see more upside here to come broadly speaking?
Well, so let me tackle that Michael. First of all, I can't comment on Brixmor. As you know it's publicly filed. So we're very limited on what we can say on that. But I think one of the things about real estate is we have the option to both take some of these platforms that we've created public.
So Brixmor was the bulk of it was bought in one thing, but then we've added on other pieces and we have a management team there. So it could be an operating company. But also depending on the asset you could also sell off assets piecemeal or and so we have a lot of flexibility as to how we do that. I think there's still more value to come in real estate, but there's some assets that are getting near their intrinsic value. And when it's a public stock, you kind of got to go public.
We try to leave we've actually tried to price our public offerings at a bargain to the initial IPO buyers, so that the stocks trade up and people are happy. And so we don't generally sell much or any of our ownership when it actually IPOs. So usually we start we take it public a little in advance of the time we actually expect to be harvesting most of our capital and at lower prices than we want.
But in Brixmor, we bought this company during the financial crisis particularly in Australia. And the company didn't have as much ability to invest in tenant improvements as vacancies were were down
and
we've made those investments and vacancies have improved and that's a more normalized type of business at this point and it's appropriate to take that in the market where it should trade in a satisfactory way.
Okay. And then if I could just follow-up one quick one for LT. Anything notable on the expense side this quarter, particularly looking at base comp? Was there any lumpiness related to maybe a pickup in fundraising activity that we should be thinking about in terms of trends going forward?
No. I think it was a relatively ordinary quarter. Any of the anomalies were really quite small and it wasn't related to fundraising. It's the same comp ratio year over year. I would say the business mix is a little different because advisory had a stronger quarter.
We have done a lot of the new hiring and a lot of investment spending in some of these I hope to support the growth you've seen, but also to support future growth initiatives that we have that we're just starting to roll out.
Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.
Your next question comes from the line of Dan Fannon of Jefferies. Please proceed.
Thanks for taking my questions. I guess to start maybe if you could comment on M and A broadly, why it's kind of been lackluster from an industry perspective and thinking about it maybe from the perspective of your portfolio companies and their appetite to do deals in this environment, it just seems like we've been waiting for M and A to pick up and it's just taken a long time.
Okay. Well, I agree. Why your guess you probably have as an informed opinion as I do. My own view is companies are uncertain about their futures. And I think they're uncertain of and I think a lot of that uncertainty emanates from regulatory and Washington frankly and we're talking about the U.
S. And the rules are changing. They're not sure what that does to the economy. Are we going to have another crisis over the debt ceiling in the fall? What's that going to do?
One thing to the other. So I think companies just in the U. S. Are sitting on the sidelines. They're happy to be in cash.
They're happy to be secure. And I think that's one factor. Then I think some of the exciting markets that people are all hot about generally speaking the brick markets are all showing issues right now all 4 of the bricks are. So a lot of the acquisition activity corporations have done has been to drive growth a lot of it has been to buy make investments in those markets. Those markets are looking like they have some issues.
And so I think M and A is going to stay restrained. Now our portfolio companies in general don't do a lot of M and A except around the ones that are consolidation plays. And those continue to roll out. We continue to make consolidating press.
Okay, great.
Your next question comes from the line of William Katz of Citigroup. Please proceed.
Okay. Thanks so much. Can you give us an update on the retail initiative? I think at your Analyst Day you mentioned you sort of crack the code of an opportunity to bring the hedge fund into the mutual fund wrapper. I'm sort of curious that was expected to roll out in June.
Maybe an update there? And I do have a follow-up.
Okay.
So we actually announced this week that we will be rolling out a product. We can't really talk about distribution partner and all that yet. You'll hear from us in the future, but it's a product ability to execute this the way we are given our positioning in the hedge fund solutions space. And I mean it's an exciting product. It's probably a bit early to say much more given that the rollout hasn't happened.
But what we can say is it essentially for retail investors it will give them access to the leading hedge fund managers, but still preserve their ability to have daily liquidity and daily marks. So that was a bit of the trick is accomplishing both those things and we think we've done that. So we hope it and we have a strong distribution partner. We hope it works. I hope it will be well received.
Okay. And then a follow-up question is just in the Hedge Fund Solutions business. Sort of curious, if you look year on year I think volumes are a bit down this July versus a year ago. What's the general appetite for that product set at this point in time in the institutional channel? Are you seeing any kind of maturation in that business?
No. I think it's the same exactly the same picture we've seen. And in fact, in general that business it's a lower risk way to participate in markets. So that business shines when markets get lumpy volatile or in terms of relative performance or go down. And when you have very hot bull markets, it lags a little bit.
So I mentioned in my press call that just in the second quarter when the global equity markets were down about 2%, our hedge fund solutions composite was up about 1%. So in 1 quarter 300 basis point out performance. And we do that with generally speaking somewhere between a quarter and a third of the volatility of the public markets. So and if you look at how that product has performed in the worst 10 worst down months of the last 5 years, I think our investors have about broken even in those months, whereas the markets the pulp markets are down high single digits on average in those months. So it's really it's sort of a lower risk way to play the markets.
And but when you look at so while it might lag the performance a little in the up markets, when you look at the relative performance of that product versus the public markets through the full cycle, because you don't have the down legs. Even if you give a little on the upside, we've tended to outperform public equity markets with lower risk. And that's the beauty of that product. So if investors were really positive and really ebullient, I wouldn't at some point, the flows might slow down a little bit. But we're still getting a great reception across the board.
Yes. If you look at just comparing to their seasonality, I think it's good to look year over year. This year's Q2, we had net flows of about 1,600,000,000 dollars Last year's Q2, we had net flows of a little over $400,000,000 So we're not seeing momentum slow.
I mean, it's tough if the full fee related earnings are up fee related assets are up 18% year over year Bill. And I also think what's important with this business is and as we as Tom went through on Investor Day, a key trend that continues is a lot of the inflows and strength are towards their customized products and some of their newer strategies that they're rolling out. So that very positive trend for that business and really for the stickiness of their assets to use that compression continues.
Okay. Thanks for taking my questions guys.
Your next question comes from the line of Howard Chen of Credit Suisse. Please proceed.
Hi, good morning everyone.
Good morning.
Good morning. Hi, Howard.
I wanted to go back
to where Steve began on higher rates and Tony where you spent much the morning as I agree it's been an area of focus for the investment community. So specifically on realization and fundraising activity, do you think higher rates alter your view of timing of the harvesting cycle, if rising rates come with higher growth expectations, a change in cap rates, etcetera? And second, do you believe LP allocation behavior changes in a rising rate environment putting aside all the megatrends that we talk about?
Okay. Let's see. Higher rates are connected to stronger economic activity. I think it's a net positive across our businesses both for the portfolio and for new investing. If higher rates come in a weak economic environment that would be I don't see that happening, but that would be I might give a different answer to that.
And And so and then part of it is what happens to the equity market? So, our higher rates associated with a much lower stock market That would negatively impact realizations. If higher rates are associated rates go up gradually and associate with stronger economies and a strong stock market then that wouldn't. So it's not just rates I guess is what I'm saying. Kind of depends on what's going on with the other factors.
On balance, I think we're really well positioned in our portfolio of existing assets to benefit from the conditions that are likely to prevail when rates go up. And higher rates will definitely help us on the reinvestment on the new investment activity. And then we have a lot of products which are actually benefit from higher rates because they're floating rates like our BXMT, our Blackstone Mortgage Trust for example, it's all floating rate. Higher rates, higher dividends for shareholders. The value should go up.
It shouldn't go down. So it's kind of a mixed picture. In terms of the impact on LPs, again, I don't see it changing their allocations. I mean, they're expecting not to earn very much on fixed income. So I suppose if rates went up high enough, fixed income would look attractive.
But on the other hand, they'll take a lot of mark to markets that will be very, very painful. So, if a sharp and significant increase in rates is probably not good, because they'll have markdowns will get into asset allocation issues and they'll look at fixed income as having a more attractive go forward return. Based on the surveys we've done of LPs, they've been thinking that treasuries and investment grades will future returns will be somewhere between 0% and 2% on their fixed income portfolio. They've been thinking that the equity markets go forward returns to be something in the 6 percent range. So no matter how you mix those sixty-forty or 2 thirds, 1 third, no matter how you mix them what mix you put on public securities, you're getting a low single digit return if you're a big institution.
And that just doesn't get them there. If you're a pension fund that doesn't pay for your liabilities. So that's why they're shifting to alternatives. And I don't see rates going up enough to change that.
Okay. Thanks, Tony. And my follow-up is we saw some further payoff on the securities underwriting business with participation in Pinnacle and SeaWorld being notable ones that stick out to us. So I was just hoping for any postmortem thoughts you all had on how that process went for you and ultimately where you see this evolving to?
Thanks. Well, hang on. Steve wants to make a comment first and then one of us will get to that. Steve?
Yes. On this interest rate comment, people get very worried about this. And the type of worry that's appropriate is a Volker type of reaction to inflation. Where in the early 80s Volcker just broke the back of inflation by just driving rates to a point where the economy faltered and he got inflation under control. When we talk about rising rates in this environment, we have extremely low levels of inflation.
And so rising rates ought to be a very moderate type of phenomenon and it's clearly being micromanaged by the Fed to not really hurt an economic recovery. In that type of world, what Tony is saying is absolutely true. And if you look at the firm's performance over years, you'll see that because we're such large owners of operating assets at the firm through our funds that we do much better when those assets earn more money and the economies are growing than we do with any minor movements in cap rates in real estate or multiples. To get multiples to really come in, in the stock market, you've really got a jam on interest rates. And I don't think the preconditions
for that
actually exists today. So I could foresee with a gradual increase in rates exceeded by a growth in the economy. That's a good thing for us. And it isn't a supposition. It has always been a good thing for us at the firm.
Okay. So then Howard getting your question about how we feel about the IPOs we've done. I'd say look we never feel the public markets quite appreciate the beauty of our children. But I would say generally speaking the experience has been good. And maybe it's just because we went through a period of time where the experience was terrible.
And so just it's just much better now. But and terrible only it was very hard to get in public. The prices were low. It was just kind of felt like a battle. And then a little while later the stocks are way higher and you just feel like you didn't have very good execution on the IPO process itself.
Here, I think we feel good about we did PBF, the refinery company. We did Pinnacle Foods. We did SeaWorld. Our tac ops did a residential mortgage REIT. We did our own mortgage REIT.
We've got some other things coming out of real estate and private equity. So I think all in all, if these markets hold up in this environment, we feel very good about it.
And Tony just how about your view of your role as a securities underwriter as you're expanding that business a bit? How do you feel about traction there on some of those transactions?
We're really pleased with that actually. We're really pleased with that. Sure, as the capital markets advisory, it's added revenues and it's kind of another little line of business for us, which is quite profitable and so on. But what makes me really pleased about it is, I feel like we're getting much more insight into the IPO process, much better ability to execute for our limited partners, much more informed. And we have more expertise internally to make the right judgments when the chips are down.
So I think it's a win win. It's a win for our shareholders. It's a win for our limited partners. And that's worked out really well.
Great. Thanks.
Your next question comes from the line of Mark Irizarry of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.
Great. Thanks. Steve, maybe you can give or Tony a little more color on the operating performance of the real estate portfolio between hotels and maybe office properties. And then I'm curious, as rates moved higher, what impact, if any, did that have on the valuations? And when you think about the operating characteristics, whether it's RevPAR or rents, just how much flexibility in the real estate portfolio is there to see sort of an incremental uptick as growth improves in the operating characteristics of the real estate portfolio?
Okay. Well, there's a lot of specifics there. So in general in our real estate portfolio, let's just start with that. The appreciation 5.9% last quarter was driven by the operating results, the NOI, not by changes in cap rates and things like that. Now we do have some public holdings in that, which move around with the public markets as well.
On the cap rates, cap rates have been low, but not really because base rates are low, treasury rates are low, but the spreads over the base rates have not been low. So as the economy goes up and as the real estate market intrinsically gets stronger and with construction so limited of new construction, I would expect spreads as base rates go up spreads to come in a little bit and cushion the blow of higher treasury rates if that happens. And then at the same time, you're getting the higher occupancies and the higher rents and the stronger outlook. And so I actually think that scenario of an improving just as Steve was saying that scenario of improving economy associated with somewhat higher interest rates net net will play through the portfolio to add value, okay? I think that's important.
As regard as the specifics, the hotel RevPARs are averaging up about 6% the last quarter. The office, I'd say every market every single office market is improving. Some are improving faster than others. Some are sort of flattish, but none are every single one of them is improving to a greater or lesser degree. When I look at the retail, you can see the grocery anchor centers with Brixmor you can see how that's doing.
They're all but all of the retail businesses again all retail sales look like they're coming up and across the board as reflected in our centers. Warehouses, it's another industrial as we call it, it's another big area. Again, all across the board coming up. And then housing, obviously, is a big one too for us. And I commented on that earlier.
But again prices going up over 1% a month. So I think it's pretty much across the board. We can dig into whatever metrics you want and whatever asset class you want. But the picture is the same and it's not only across asset class, it's the same in Southern California or Northwest or Boston or Washington or just sort of all the markets we're in, it's the same picture. And it's really driven by the fact there's just very, very limited new supply and it doesn't take much economic growth to start to drive this.
And we've got enough economic growth and we've got enough with no new supply to have this look like a very favorable supply demand demand bounce for several years, the new supply can't come on overnight, particularly you're talking about office thing. It takes years. And so we've got pretty good visibility on the runway and it looks pretty good for the next few years for us.
And I think to add to that what's also positive is that the increases are good increases on top of what were large increases last year. So not like you have easy comparisons. We've just continued to see good growth.
And Steve talked about Hilton, I think where EBITDA is up 17% for the Q1. So it gives you a flavor for what can happen.
Right. We keep probing when Tony and I meet every Monday with our real estate group about economic softness because it's a potential indicator for us to help think through issues with other of our business lines. And as consistently as we ask the question, are you seeing softness here? Aren't you seeing softness there? The answer that comes back is no.
We're not. Things are good for us. It's a very straightforward snappy reply. And Tony gave you the pieces of it. But there is a sense of what we're seeing empirically that things are strong in that area.
Your next question comes from the line of Michael Carrier of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed.
Hi. Thanks a lot. Maybe just on the new opportunity front, you guys mentioned on the retail side the hedge fund product. Just given what you've done so far in the retail channel, when you think about that opportunity, you mentioned it's you're kind of at the beginning stages. Is it more of a distribution opportunity, continuing to gain traction with the current products?
Or are there other product opportunities on the innovative side that now that you've done a decent amount of due diligence, you can kind of plan ahead? And so where are those areas? And then just on the recent strategic partners deal, is there any other opportunities like that for Blackstone to kind of take advantage of and then use that to grow your own business?
Sure. Okay. Well, so it's both existing products and its existing forms being offered to retail investors as well as new products in new forms. And it's very hard to say none of us would look at the retail market as being homogeneous. I mean, we have like we you can segment the market.
I mean, some of them are like family offices where we talk to the CIOs of family offices and it feels an awful lot like an institution and they'd be very similar to existing products all the way down to sort of closed end funds or mortgage REITs where an unsophistic investor can buy 100 shares for $1,000 And it's everything in between. And so and then on top of that, we're thinking about new structures and things like that to embed our products in other things. And so it's really across the board. And as I mentioned, it's we're at the early stages of that. And I'm not sure that totally answers the question, but let me just get to your second part and then you can come back if I didn't.
Yes, and strategic partners fits really well into that I think. I mean strategic partners it's a great I think retail product. It's a great institutional product too, but I think it really appeals to retail investors. Why? Because when they start drawing down money, they instantly start paying cash returns every quarter after that, because they're buying mature funds that are in their harvesting period.
So an investor gives money and starts getting yield right away. And so and the investment cycle is quicker. They get their money put to work quicker and they get it back quicker. And that appeals to retail investors that care about liquidity, care about current yield. And like their and their fund returns have been spectacular.
So I think that's a really good retail product. And one of the real appeals we saw in that acquisition, they were part of Credit Suisse and they got had access and great support from the Credit Suisse retail system. But of course, they weren't getting distribution from any other retail system for obvious reasons. As part of Blackstone, we expect to be able to continue to distribute to Credit Suisse investors, but also to other firms' investors. And so that's I think one of the synergies that we so to speak that we identified.
And it's a great product. It doesn't overlap with anything and it's had wonderful consistent top quartile returns in the sort of like consistent with the private equity. So, good product. Other acquisitions, yes, we've got some other things that we're looking at nothing that we're close to doing. But I think conceptually there's some interesting things out there.
Okay. Thanks a lot.
Your next question comes from the line of Patrick Davitt of Autonomous. Please proceed.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. So we've seen DCP V IRR go from 2% to 5% in just 6 months, largely I think on the back of the 2 very successful IPOs. I estimate they're both roughly 10% of the fund. So my question is, can you give us an idea of how many high concentration slugs there are left in that fund to really help boost the IR over that 8% bogey?
Well, I don't know how many high concentration funds. The biggest investment in that fund is Hilton. So that's obviously one. And I'm not exactly sure how to otherwise answer your question in terms of the number of them. The I would say though everything in that portfolio has got upside in my view.
I mean we care we try to mark very conservatively when we get near and exited almost always is a big increase over our mark. Looking at LTE about what do you think the average increase from when we hit a realization event versus the prior quarter markets? Our average over we looked at it for 10 years and it's close to between 25% 30%. And in a better market like this Toni it's even higher. So if you look at SeaWorld and Performance, they were both up one was up 50% and one was up 70% versus our mark on the prior quarter before the IPO.
Yes. Recently, you probably saw there was an announcement of an acquisition of one of our publicly traded team health Vanguard sorry, where a year ago it was trading at 8 percent and we have an all cash bid for 2021%. And that doesn't get factored in obviously into a mark.
And what's partly so partly it's that, but partly it's
just all these companies
they're lean and when results when revenues start to grow again a lot falls to the bottom line. And then you've got leverage capital structures and that value accretes to the equities really, really fast. So BCP III, I think at some point at one point was marked down to less than half of I think cost and it ended up being a couple over 2 times cost. So there's a lot of upside in these portfolios when the world turns.
Okay. And then quickly on the mechanics around the cash distributions when and if that gets over the 8%, Say you sell a few secondary or sell a few slugs of shares in Pinnacle and SeaWorld over the next few months and then you get over that 8% hump will there be a huge slug of cash that comes through the distribution when that happens? Or is that not how it works?
There's actually there's 2 separate questions there. 1 is for the fund investors and then one is for the public. When the fund itself starts accruing performance fees and then the realizations after that you'll begin to see the cash realizations push through to the public investors. Today given the activity in the portfolio when we were talking about the increase of $5,000,000,000 over time just to give you an idea over the last 12 months there's been about $3,400,000,000 of cash in different ways returned to the investors in that fund. And that's either from realizations, capitalizations or current income.
So that level is already occurring on a very in an increasingly rapid pace. And once that does digging through the hurdle, once you get over the hurdle then you'll see the accruing of carry at the parent company. And then you'll see it also go through to cash earnings. Don't forget there's a little bit of an odd thing that happens when you get over that hurdle for a while. You may have a catch up period where a disproportionate percentage of the net gains go to the shareholders.
I mean real estate had that a couple of quarters ago. And so you got some not totally linear things happening around the hurdle.
Right. That's an eightytwenty catch up right?
That's right.
Okay. Thank you, guys.
Your next question comes from the line of Roger Freeman of Barclays. Please proceed.
Hi, good morning. Just back on real estate, it seems it sounds like maybe with the improving economic environment and obviously the supply dynamics, you've a pretty positive outlook on valuations continuing to grow. Is the timeframe over realizations of real estate portfolio? Has that maybe gone out a little bit from where it was 6 or 9 months ago? It seemed like there was more focus on sort of near term realizations.
Maybe that's just
Well, really that if so, I'm not sure that we I'm not sure that was a fair impression. I don't think we have a very it's hard to forecast very specifically realization events and we really don't do that. We have a general idea of how a property is maturing and when we expect it to go to market. I would have said in a couple of instances things have popped a little sooner in real estate. And in some instances there are assets where it might take a little longer.
But I don't think it's fundamentally changed. But it's lumpy. It's not going to be we're in a period of time where you can expect to see real estate realizations growing and a fair amount of them over the next 12 to 18 months. But predicting which quarter and what order and what kind of ramp is just not sort of not doable. It's too market dependent.
If it's helpful, Roger, just on that to Tony's point, it's obviously, longer cycle over time. What we tend to look at from a trend basis is kind of the gross realizations whatever that may be. Maybe capitalizations, maybe current income, maybe sales. And we look at it over a relatively long tail. And on that basis, the number of transactions and actually the realized amount has increased quite steadily.
Let me just give you a couple of numbers. This actually I'm going to give you for the whole firm, because I think this question has been asked in different ways over the course of the call. So just to give you an idea, in the first half of twenty twelve, we saw 64 deals produce cash generation of about $4,500,000,000 In the second half of twenty twelve, that number went to 86 transactions and 8,600,000,000 dollars In the first half of this year, it's been 105 deals 12,600,000,000 So while it's very lumpy as the fundamentals increase, you can start to see a longer term trend and you have to look at it that way. And by the way, real estate followed that. So where they were they basically doubled the amount of transactions and capital that over the last 12 months that's actually generating.
When it will happen as Tony said hard to tell, but that steady trend is increasing and you can see it in our numbers. And we're still in the virtuous part of the realization cycle in a general way.
Okay. That answers the question very well. Thanks. I guess then the second one on and just back on this retail product, I know you can't say a lot, but I thought I heard you mention distribution partner. Is it one partner?
And is that going to be an exclusive arrangement? And secondly, on the earlier call, Tony, I know you were talking about this dynamic of providing daily liquidity, but investors also having to, I guess, understand some take some limits on that to sort of get access to the higher returns that hedge funds can offer. So how does that play out? Is are there daily will there be daily limits?
Roger, I don't think I said that actually. But and I don't I can't get into the terms of it now. And frankly, I don't even know all the details of it. So I really can't go further other than set to say it combines access for this purpose until it's fully unveiled. I'd just like to keep it.
It allows investors to have the daily liquidity feature that they want, but gives them access to some top hedge fund managers, which they also should want. We hope they will.
Okay. Got it. I guess I misunderstood. Okay. Thanks.
Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Hobson of Stifel Nicolaus. Please proceed.
Okay. Thanks a lot. Just on real estate, you mentioned that in terms of your investing opportunities that there's still a fair amount of distressed properties out there. Could you expand on that
a little bit? And even
on the leverage issue or over leverage issue, I would have expected perhaps the ability of the current owners to I guess refinance, but any additional comments on that issue?
Well, I think Jeff in the U. S. That's happening. Not like all the stress is gone by any means, but markets are healthier. Properties are doing better and credit markets are very accommodating.
So in the U. S. That's starting to happen and there's definitely less distress than there was a year ago. In Europe, though, I don't think that's happening. And to the contrary, there's been a lot of stress in Europe, but people are starting but the spigots are starting to loosen up in the sense of people are starting to face that and want to sell assets and want to move assets.
And also there were a number of in some cases there were a number of temporary patches put on where creditors cut a borrower some slack or extended some things and those are coming up again and borrowers are having a hard time renewing that. So we're seeing the bank start to sell more in Europe and that activity level is high. And then I would say in Asia, it's a bit different. It's just there's a well publicized credit squeeze that's going on China, but it's also happening in India and it's happening in Brazil and it's happening in some other places. And the real estate financing is kind of drying up in those markets and that's opening up some opportunities.
So it's kind of the locus has shifted a little. But in the U. S, I think your perception is right. The stress is waning.
Okay. And then in private equity, post Q2 despite some volatility in the equity markets, it almost seems like the environment for realizations at least through the IPO process seem to have improved given that, 1, equity markets have rebounded outperforming other some other asset classes and some of the IPOs having done well. Would you say post Q2 that the IPO process of realizations has actually improved a little bit? Well,
it depends on what you're comparing it to. It was pretty good in the beginning of Q2. And then of course June was a little bit choppier. And now it's back to where it was. So I think it's yes.
So I guess by comparison to June it's definitely improved. I don't know that it's I don't know that it's much different from the sort of the April May timeframe when it was pretty good.
Okay. Very good. Thank you.
I mean just generally speaking, if you look at markets in the Q3 to date, I mean they're all up solidly and that's true across every sector.
Right. Thank you.
Our final question comes from the line of Chris Kotowski of Oppenheimer. Please proceed.
Just reflecting on Steve's comments at the open, I'm not sure that what hit the stock so much early part of the a couple of weeks ago was the fear of rights as much as it was one of your peers commenting that there is an almost biblical opportunity to sell assets here. And that I think just created the fear of that there's a fragile window that's about to shut. So I guess the question is, can we infer from the fact that you're holding on to assets like Hilton even though hotel stocks are hot and EBITDA is up 17%? And can we confirm that you disagree with that point of view that this is a biblical opportunity to sell? And I guess just to follow-up to Tony, you said we're still in the virtuous part of the cycle.
What gives you comfort that it's not getting to the frothy part of the cycle?
Okay. Well, so there are obviously, we've got we filed bricks more today and we're out of real estate. We've got some other things for sale out of real estate. We've got 3 IPOs on file for private equity. So we're obviously think that for the right asset, this is a good environment.
This is a good environment to start seeking some exits. But it's not and we're doing that. But there are other assets like just take Hilton for example. When you can have that kind of growth in EBITDA with the kind of leverage capital structure that is on that company, the equity accretion is tremendous. And you kind of want to let your winners run a little bit because you're creating a lot of value for your shareholders every quarter.
And we think Hilton is a great company and we think that we'll have plenty of exit options. We'll have recap options. We'll have M and A options. We'll have IPO options. We'll have all kinds of things.
So we're not in any rush. We don't feel like we feel like there's always a balance there. You're looking at the current market conditions and you're also looking at the fundamental growth of equity value of your company. You're trying to balance those. And so I think that I guess I was saying that, I think we've got we don't see any the window shutting right away.
And indeed you might get a hotter as the economy improves and corporations get more confident about the future, you might see the corporate change of control market, the M and A market get hotter and that might accrue to our benefits. So I think what I meant by the virtuous part of the cycle was not so much try to predict markets, but in terms of what was going on with our markets are pretty good A, so the avenues are open. And B, in terms of what was going on with our assets, they're coming to the stable and particularly in real estate, I think that was a comment about real estate when in ours. We have this buy it, fix it, sell it. Our operations are a lot of the assets are getting to the fixed stage when they normally look to exit and the windows are open.
And I think we're going to have another 12 to 18 months of good activity on that.
Chris, I would say just based on the incoming questions, we everyone was asking about interest rates, concerned about interest rates. So I might disagree somewhat. And I think there wasn't a clear and maybe there still isn't a fully clear understanding of how GSO is positioned as private market transactions that it's floating rate that they actually benefit in a rising rate environment. And we even saw it with the Blackstone Mortgage Trust, which is commercial mortgages initially that got hit with the residential rates where you're trying to play a curve. And here we're not again it's floating rates they have in their queue for every 100 basis point increase in rates as a commensurate increase in income.
So hopefully there's a better understanding today than there was 2 weeks ago, but I still think we have a way to go.
Okay. Thank you. That's it for me.
Great. Thanks everyone and we look forward to catching up after the call as well.
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