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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Feb 27, 2019

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Clean Harbors' fourth quarter 2018 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone today should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Michael McDonald, General Counsel for Clean Harbors. Thank you, Mr. McDonald. You may now begin.

Michael McDonald
General Counsel, Clean Harbors

Thank you, Robin. Good morning, everyone. With me on today's call are Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Alan S. McKim, EVP and Chief Financial Officer, Mike Battles, and SVP of Investor Relations, Jim Buckley. Slides for today's call are posted on our website, and we invite you to follow along. Matters we are discussing today that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Participants are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these statements, which reflect management's opinions only as of today, February 27th, 2019. Information on potential factors and risks that could affect our actual results of operations is included in our SEC filings. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to the statements made in today's call, other than through filings made concerning this reporting period.

In addition, today's discussion will include references to non-GAAP measures. Clean Harbors believes that such information provides an additional measurement and consistent historical comparison of its performance. Reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release, on our website, and in the appendix of today's presentation. Now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Alan McKim. Alan?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Thanks, Michael. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Starting on slide three, we concluded 2018 with a strong performance that enabled us to exceed our guidance. Both our segments delivered profitable growth in the quarter. Environmental Services achieved better-than-expected results from a combination of higher-margin waste streams, pricing gains, and a solid contribution from Industrial Services, which includes the Veolia acquisition. As was the case throughout 2018, adjusted EBITDA outpaced revenue growth in Q4, resulting in a 60-basis-point margin improvement. Our full-year results were also strong. Credit for that goes to our entire team, which consistently drove profitable growth and did so safely all year. I'm extremely proud to report that 2018 was the best safety year in Clean Harbors' history, with our TRIR and other key metrics at record lows.

Nothing is more important to our leadership team than ensuring that each employee goes home uninjured every day. Financially, our revenues grew 12%, and adjusted EBITDA increased 15%, while our adjusted free cash flow for the year was a record $195.3 million. Turning to Environmental Services on Slide 4. Our top line grew nearly $100 million in the quarter, with Veolia accounting for about $45 million of that amount. The remainder was driven by organic growth. Adjusted EBITDA on the segment was up 35%, with a 210-basis-point margin improvement. Incinerator utilization came in at 86% in Q4. Our average price per pound grew by 17% year-over-year as we continue to focus on gathering more high-value waste streams and optimizing our mix.

With the addition of our El Dorado incinerator, we're drawing more waste streams from the ongoing expansion in the chemical sector and regularly setting new records for drum volumes coming from both Safety-Kleen and our legacy Clean Harbors business. For the full year, our El Dorado location ran at 95% utilization, up from 85% a year ago, demonstrating how well the new plant is running in year two of its operation. Landfill tonnage in the quarter was down 6% from a year ago as a result of the timing of some projects. However, our average price per ton was up 18% due to our focus on bringing in more high-value waste streams and greater base work. For the full year, landfill volumes were up slightly from 2017. We also generated profitable growth in Q4 within our TSDF network, our wastewater treatment plants, and our other recycling centers.

Moving to Slide 5. Safety-Kleen grew revenue 6% in Q4 due to higher production volumes, our closed loop initiative, and pricing and growth within the branch network's core lines of business. Parts washer revenues were up slightly in the quarter due to pricing, while waste oil collection volumes were 56 million gallons, giving us a record of 234 million gallons collected in 2018. Similar to the past several quarters, our re-refineries ran well with production levels above a year ago. Safety-Kleen's adjusted EBITDA increased 1% due to pricing in its core branch offerings, which offset the short-term spread compression we experienced when base oil prices declined during the quarter. The Safety-Kleen team did a great job throughout 2018, capitalizing on positive pricing trends, as well as managing the spread between our used motor oil and base oil.

In terms of the sales mix, direct loop sales accounted for 6% of Safety-Kleen's total volume sold, similar to the past two quarters and up from 4% a year ago. Total blended product sales were 22% compared to 23% a year ago. As we move into 2019, our focus is on increasing blended sales through not only our direct sales, loop sales, but growing volumes with our key distributors. After selling less than 40 million gallons of total blended products in 2018, we aim to expand that to 50 million gallons in 2019, with about half of the increase coming from our closed loop, and the remainder from distributors. I want to take a moment to highlight the increasingly complementary relationship between our Safety-Kleen and our Environmental Services segment. Since acquiring Safety-Kleen, we've grown adjusted EBITDA in that business by $112 million, or 66%.

More importantly, adjusted EBITDA margins has increased 900 basis points from 15.3% in 2013 to 24.3% in 2018. During the same period, we've also made considerable progress integrating Safety-Kleen with our legacy business. Last year, Safety-Kleen gathered a record level of drums for our disposal network. Our environmental service, on the other hand, generated $100 million of revenue from Safety-Kleen's customers within its total project management business. We've also now co-located 35 legacy Clean Harbors locations within the existing Safety-Kleen branch network. The alignment between our segments continues to strengthen, and our results underscore the financial benefits that we can achieve together. Here on slide six, we wanted to share with you a quick snapshot of the top 10 verticals that we serve.

As you can see from the chart, manufacturing chemical are our largest verticals, and those two industries accounted for nearly a third of our revenues last year. After that, we were well-diversified across a variety of markets that we serve. I should point out that upstream oil and gas has become a considerably smaller part of our revenue base in recent years, and today only represents about 4% of our total sales. Moving to our corporate update on slide seven. A high-quality workforce is integral to our strategy to ensure we're operating efficiently as possible while servicing our customers' needs. In 2018, we invested an additional $30 million into our people in the form of higher average wages, greater incentive compensation, the reinstatement of our 401(k) match program, and other expanded benefits.

Our investments in our people will continue to increase in 2019 as we more than double our 401(k) contribution and absorb all healthcare cost increases. We're also pursuing a broad array of cost savings initiatives again this year that we believe will offset these workforce investments. Profitable growth remains the focus for us in 2019. We took a significant step forward in 2018, but there's more we can do to extend our momentum and improve our margins. We saw early success from the strategic realignment of our sales and service organization within our environmental service segment at the beginning of 2018. This structure should generate growth for us again this year, expanding cross-selling opportunities and enabling more efficient sharing of people and assets going forward.

With the impending changes expected from IMO 2020 regulations, we continue to review every contract and sale on a short-term basis, really to look for opportunities to capitalize on market conditions. Turning to our capital allocation strategy on slide eight. In 2018, we executed on all four elements of our capital allocation strategy. We invested nearly $180 million in net CapEx in the business. We acquired Veolia's industrial business and Sync Environmental for approximately $150 million in total. We brought back more than $45 million worth of our shares. We also reduced our debt obligation by more than $55 million. Based on the timing and market conditions, we plan to be opportunistic across all four categories again in 2019. In summary, the underlying dynamics of our business are real positive, and we anticipate a strong 2019.

With that, let me turn it over to Mike Battles. Mike?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Thank you, Alan, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide 10 in our income statement, we closed out a strong 2018 with excellent profitable growth in Q4. We increased revenue by more than $110 million from the prior year. For the year, we grew more than $355 million or 12%, with the majority coming from organic growth. The 120 basis point improvement in gross margin in Q4 reflect the mix of business in the quarter, the impact of our pricing initiatives, and a favorable comp with a year ago when some of our customers and locations were still being affected by the remnants of the hurricane season. On a full year basis, we saw a slight increase in gross margin. That number would have been much higher except for the addition of Veolia, which generates gross margins lower than our company average.

Q4 SG&A expenses were up on both an absolute dollar basis and on a percentage basis, primarily reflecting the increase of incentive compensation given the outstanding results that the team delivered. On a full year basis, SG&A expenses as a percentage of revenue improved by 20 basis points. This result was driven by higher revenue, improved leverage from our new regional structure, and the ongoing integration of Veolia into our existing SG&A structure. For 2019, using the midpoint of our guidance range, we would expect our SG&A to be slightly down in absolute dollars. Depreciation and amortization for the full year was up a little over $10 million due to the addition of the Veolia assets. For 2019, we expect depreciation and amortization to decrease to a range of $285 million-$295 million as some existing assets become fully depreciated.

Income from operations for the quarter increased 49% to $41.5 million, reflecting higher revenue and operating margin. For the full year, that increase was 43% to $182.6 million. Higher margin waste streams, pricing improvements in multiple businesses, and a solid contribution from Veolia drove a 20% increase in adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. Looking at the full year, our adjusted EBITDA grew 15%. On a GAAP basis, EPS was $0.29 per diluted share versus $1.48 a year ago, when we had a large benefit through the changes in corporate tax law. On an adjusted basis, our EPS was $0.24 compared with a loss of $0.06 a year ago. For the full year, our adjusted EPS was $1.26, compared with $0.20 for 2017. Our full-year tax rate in 2018 was 30.5%.

Looking at 2019, we would anticipate that our effective tax rate on an adjusted basis to be in the 28%-31% range. Turning to the balance sheet on slide 11. Cash and short-term marketable securities totaled $279.4 million at year-end, up more than $26 million from Q3. Our DSO calculation came in at 76 days, four days higher than a year ago, but that is directly related to the addition of Veolia. The team actually did a nice job on collections down the stretch, and in combination with our working capital management, we were able to generate strong free cash flows. Our long-term debt balance declined to $1.57 billion as we elected to repay the $50 million that we had drawn on our revolver when we refinanced our 2020 senior notes back in June.

Given our cash on hand and the current loan environment, we thought it was prudent to de-lever a bit at this time. Ultimately, we can redraw on that revolver at a later date if needed. Overall, we believe our balance sheet is very strong. Our weighted average cost of debt is about 4.7%. We ended 2018 with a net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.6 times. If you use the midpoint of our 2019 guidance with today's net debt balance, it would take us below 2.5 times. Turning to our cash flows on slide 12. Cash from operations was $126 million in Q4, nearly double a year ago. CapEx net of disposals was $33.3 million. Included in that number were net proceeds of $7.4 million related to the sale of assets associated with our lodging manufacturing operation in Western Canada.

This divestiture is consistent with our strategy of exiting non-core businesses and selling off non-core assets. The combination of our strong cash from operations and lower net CapEx spend led to an impressive $92.7 million of adjusted free cash flow for the quarter. For the full year, we delivered a higher than expected $195.3 million. As Alan mentioned, that's a record for the company and is reflective of our ability to deliver strong cash conversion as we continue to profitably grow the business and control capital spending. For the full year, our net CapEx came in at $177.9 million, which is right in line with our CapEx guidance. For 2019, we currently expect net CapEx in the $190 million to $210 million range.

The midpoint of that range is up about 12% from 2018 as a result of growth in our business, the timing of landfill cell construction, and some incremental capital investments to enhance our re-refinery capacity. During the quarter, we repurchased $11.5 million of stock. For the full year, we bought back approximately 814,000 shares at an average cost of just over $55 per share. We have bought back close to 5.6 million shares at an average price of just under $53 since the program began a few years ago. We remain committed to returning capital to our shareholders through our repurchase program. Moving to guidance on slide 13. Based on our 2018 results and current market conditions, we expect 2019 adjusted EBITDA in the range of $500 million to $540 million.

The midpoint of that range represents a 6% increase from 2018, and the top end of the range equates to 10% growth. Looking at our guidance from a quarterly perspective, we expect normal seasonality during 2019, with the back half of the year being slightly higher than the first half and Q1 remaining our weakest quarter. That said, we expect Q1 adjusted EBITDA this year to be up about 10% year-over-year due to growth in the business, continued better pricing, and a favorable comp with the prior year. Here's how our current full-year 2019 guidance translates from a segment perspective. In Environmental Services, we expect adjusted EBITDA to increase in the mid to high single-digit range in 2019. This growth will again be driven by pricing, higher value waste streams, and margin improvement in this segment.

For Safety-Kleen, we anticipate adjusted EBITDA growth in the low single-digit range due to the continued effective spread management, increased production volumes in our plants, and growth in key lines of business in our branch network, including direct loop sales. In our Corporate Segment, negative adjusted EBITDA should be flat to slightly higher in 2018, as increases in areas like healthcare and benefits, including 401(k), are mostly offset by cost-saving initiatives. Based on our current guidance and working capital assumptions, we expect a 2019 adjusted free cash flow in the range of $190 million to $220 million, as incremental EBITDA is partially offset by higher CapEx. In summary, 2018 was an outstanding year as we met or exceeded our guidance in all four quarters. Our goal is to consistently deliver on our promises. Overall, we expect another year of profitable growth in 2019.

With that, Rob, please open up the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press *1 from your telephone keypad, and a confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press *2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants that are using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. The first question today comes from the line of Luke Junk with Baird. Please proceed with your questions.

Luke Junk
Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Good morning, everyone.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Morning.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Hey, Luke.

Luke Junk
Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Hey, first question I had, just in terms of the first quarter, even up 10%, just wondering if there's any seasonal impacts we should be aware of in the quarter. Obviously know it's your lowest quarter seasonally, anything we should be aware of in terms of shutdowns or similar?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

We did struggle a bit in January, in our re-refinery in Chicago. That was shut down for a bit because of the polar vortex that kind of affected that part of the country. Outside of that, Luke, there's not a lot. That's not a big number per se.

Luke Junk
Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Okay, that's helpful. In terms of Safety-Kleen, Mike, you'd recently made some references to your spread management system at Safety-Kleen. Specifically, how much they've improved over the last few years. Can you speak to some of those changes more specifically and maybe give us some updated guardrails as well in that area?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yeah, sure. The system that we're talking about was put in place a year or two ago, and I think it continues to do very well. You kind of saw it in the results here in Q4. Although oil prices kind of collapsed in November and December, the SK team continued to drive profitable growth and still, for the 10th consecutive quarter, had a year-over-year growth in their EBITDA. I'm really pleased with the team and how they did down the stretch of managing their input costs as well as managing the output costs. That system continues to do well, and I'm hopeful that regardless of how oil prices go in 2019, we'll be able to manage that spread and drive profitable growth.

Luke Junk
Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Great. If I could just sneak one more in. Alan, just the outlook for incinerator pricing in 2019. Obviously, a steady economic backdrop, good utilization, high barriers to entry in that business, of course. Seems like a good backdrop to take price.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

We had a number of pricing initiatives across the business last year, and we would expect the benefit of those increases to flow through here in 2019. You will see an improvement in pricing on incineration this year for that reason for sure.

Luke Junk
Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Perfect. Follow-up.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

I think what more importantly will be the mix. The team really has been able to line out that new plant, and we've been able to really increase our feed rates and the type of waste, the high-cost, difficult streams to treat. That's really come online at a really opportune time for us because we've got a number of key customers that have been expanding and generating those kind of high-cost, difficult streams to treat. The team's really done a nice job getting that plant up online.

Luke Junk
Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Okay, perfect. I will leave it there. Thank you so much.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Okay.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Thanks, Luke.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Hamzah Mazari with Macquarie. Please proceed with your questions.

Hamzah Mazari
Analyst, Macquarie

Hey, good morning. My question is on pricing as well. How much of the pricing ramp, Alan, is just sort of a catch up because you sort of didn't price earlier? I'm just thinking about long-term pricing in your business. Is the pricing ramp in 2019 much higher, then we go to sort of a CPI-based pricing? Just any thoughts on sort of pricing. I know you've been strategic around that, and I know we've had capacity ramp, and you had to fill volume. Any thoughts on pricing longer term?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Well, we certainly have been doing a little bit of catch up, as you know, because there was a reluctance on us raising pricing as we were bringing on new capacity. At the same time, more waste is entering the market. We're seeing more captives looking to outsource more material direct to our facilities. With some of the consolidation that took place within the chemical industry, there are a number of facilities right now that are beginning to outsource waste that otherwise may have internalized those materials. All in all, I think we're pleased with our utilization rates. We have been doing a little catch-up, as you mentioned.

We have increased pricing and quite frankly, as we've approached a lot of our large key customers, I think many of them appreciate the fact that we've made a substantial investment into these plants to increase more capacity and also to meet the new regulations. All in all, I think the pricing are justified and being received pretty well.

Hamzah Mazari
Analyst, Macquarie

That's great. I know you touched on the synergies between Safety-Kleen and Environmental, and obviously it's been a number of years since we did that deal. Any thoughts as you look at M&A longer term? I know we got involved in energy after the BP oil spill and you're in these two segments, but there's a number of different verticals in those two segments. As we think about M&A longer term, as leverage comes off, is the portfolio going to remain similar, or are you looking at other avenues that you're not in right now? Just thoughts on longer term M&A.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah. I think there are a lot of opportunities in the two segments that we're in today. We see a lot of deal flow through our M&A group here, and we continue to look at opportunities. We're trying to be opportunistic as well. We're somewhat competing with a number of PE firms out there that in some cases pay a much higher multiple than they're willing to pay. We only did a couple of deals last year. I think they worked out extremely well for us. We continue to see opportunities, though, to grow just in the two segments, quite frankly, Hamza, that we're in right now.

Hamzah Mazari
Analyst, Macquarie

Got it. Last question, I'll turn it over. Just the IMO 2020. Could you remind us, is that all hype or do you think that that really generates EBITDA in your business? Thank you.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Certainly, we're watching that very closely. We think there are going to be some impacts on both outlets for oils that are being collected today that is not being re-refined. We think there could be impacts to the outlets for them. We also think there's going to be changes to the pricing on marine diesel oil and fuel oil and subsequently, potential positive implications on base oil pricing. We think on both the collection side as well as on the sales side, IMO 2020 could have an impact on us, I think only time will tell to kind of see just how it all shakes out, Hamza.

Hamzah Mazari
Analyst, Macquarie

Great. Thanks so much.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yep.

Operator

The next question is coming from the line of Michael Hoffman with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Hi. Thanks, Alan, Mike, Jim. Close the loop on IMO 2020. It's not in your guidance. That's the more important point.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

That's true, Michael.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yep.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

It's all upside it, whatever happens, whether it has a benefit or not. You don't have to spend any capital to benefit from it. You basically are in the right place at the right time.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yeah. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we are going to spend a couple million bucks of probably incremental capital in our re-refineries to run them a little more efficiently. Other than that, nothing, to your point.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Yeah, you don't have to spend money for IMO 2020. That's just a business decision about-

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Fair enough.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Right. Okay. In 2018, you enjoyed a recovery in refining turnarounds as a service provider. At the time, we chatted about it having been a prolonged lengthening of the cycle, that it looked like we were back to some normal level of maintenance cycling again. How do you frame 2019 in the context of, you had a good '18 in refining. Is '19 setting up to be, "Yep, looks like we're doing maintenance again"?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

I think Western Canada had a really good year on turnaround. Both in the specialty side as well as our base industrial cleaning business. They will have a much slower year this year because of the schedule. The U.S. should be stronger this year. Although I think probably not significantly more than what we saw last year. I think on a net basis, we're probably flat, Michael, for right now.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Would you say that we're back into a cycle again, where it looked like you couldn't predict it for the prior five years?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah, I definitely think it's much more of a cycle, and we're looking at the book out there of the turnarounds and the schedules, and we're hiring, we're ramping up, obviously, staffing to deal with the demand that we have. I would say yes, it's probably more consistent. I think the pricing of oil being in this high 50 range certainly helps that. We're not seeing a lot of customers all of a sudden shut off maintenance or CapEx like they were doing in the past years.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yeah. I would say, Michael, that cycle, to your point, yes, I think that we are, but I don't think this is a big catch-up per se. I think we're just back on a normal cycle. I think 2019, as Alan said, 2018 in Western Canada was awesome. I don't think that repeats itself, but I think the U.S. grows a bit, and I think net-net, we're probably flat.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get to, is we've now found a pattern again, whether we didn't seem to have a pattern for a while as they changed the cycle times.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

That's fair.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Yeah. Okay. Then you used to talk about, in the incineration world of $0.50 a pound is sort of your middle-of-the-road pricing. Then you added El Dorado, and it clearly would dampen it as you loaded it. Then walk the ASP up. How would you frame where you are in the aggregate to that $0.50 a pound?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah, it's a good question. I guess, Jim, you have a comment?

Jim Buckley
SVP of Investor Relations, Clean Harbors

Yeah. Michael, we're kind of back to where we were, because throwing the 70,000 tons of capacity in and having to fill that up, we obviously diluted the price. With the large increase we're reporting in the past several quarters, we put the average price back up.

I'm not sure that it's $0.50 a pound unless you're excluding our Canadian incinerator, which is liquids only. That dilutes that price. In the U.S. network, that's approximately where we are.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Right. To the point of pricing, anything from here now is more likely real price as opposed to ASP and mix, because you now get the benefit from better volumes.

Jim Buckley
SVP of Investor Relations, Clean Harbors

Right.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah.

Jim Buckley
SVP of Investor Relations, Clean Harbors

To Hamzah' point about asking about year-over-year, yeah, we had a bit of a favorable comp last year, obviously, with running so much low price material through. If you say we're back to kind of level set here with 70,000 more tons, then everything from here forward is moving up still.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Incremental.

Jim Buckley
SVP of Investor Relations, Clean Harbors

Yeah.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Right. Which is the point I was trying to make. Lastly, we can, as market observers, see posted base oil prices, and so we understand what's happening on that end of your spread, and we have no idea what's happening on the front end. I have to believe you didn't sit idly when oil was coming down. Could you share at least what you did in the fourth quarter on an incremental basis for charge-for-oil? The market understands how quickly you were able to respond.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yeah. Michael, this is Mike. Yeah, it was about zero, about flat, maybe rounded down to $0.01. As we looked here into 2019, it's been up a bit here in January. Yes, we did raise our pricing down. It pushed out the price, but when the price went down on December 1st, but at the end of the day, we've kind of recovered that.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Probably in a charge-for-oil.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

We are definitely in a charge-for-oil right now.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

We're in a charge-for-oil now.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Right now. Absolutely.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

2019 is a charge-for-oil. I guess really what you're saying is you're going to manage the spread regardless, and therefore that's why we can look at a 1%-2% EBITDA growth despite base oil down.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

That's right.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

That's exactly right.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Okay.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

We have that.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Then.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Please go ahead.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Sorry. Last tie in, just to close the loop on it. I'm assuming you haven't built any seasonality. You've taken the base oil where it is at the moment, and if that's what life is, you manage the spread, and if we get a normal seasonal slide demand push, then that's upside as well.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yes, sir.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Great. Thanks.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah.

Michael Hoffman
Analyst, Stifel

Nice quarter.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Thank you.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

The next question is coming from the line of Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Jeff Silber
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks so much. In your commentary around Safety-Kleen, you talked about your goals to increasing the blending products component in 2019. Can we get a little bit more color how you're going to get there and what you think the impact might be on segment margins?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Sure. We established about 15 bulk distribution facilities within our existing network. We have been, in our supply chain organization, been expanding the quantities and the types of products really across the network, not only in those bulk facilities, but through our distributors as well as our packaged materials across our distribution centers. As 2018 continued to roll out and we ran our sales initiatives, we realized that there was a lot more opportunity for us to continue to grow that. We've kind of, I would say, made a case that customers really are willing to buy our oil. They like the product we have. They like the delivery methods that we're making here to pick up their waste and deliver oil at the same time. I think we're just going to continue now to execute on that plan.

Would have liked to have gone faster than the way we ended up for the year. We were a little bit short from where our internal targets were. All in all, I think we grew at about 60%-70%, that was good news for us.

Jeff Silber
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

I'm sorry, the potential impact on margins if you get there?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Well, I think just at a very high level, we've always thought there's probably a $1 a gallon kind of margin uplift as we sell more blended oil than if we are in the kind of commodity base oil business. That's always been sort of our thinking at a very high level.

Jeff Silber
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That's fair. Mike, forgive me. In your comments, did you say that you sold the lodging business in Canada? Are you completely out of that business now?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

No, Jeff. We sold the lodging manufacturing operation. We had a small manufacturing operation south of Edmonton, and we sold that building and the land to a third party for about $7.5 million.

Jeff Silber
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thank you so much for clarifying that. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your questions.

Noah Kaye
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the questions. Again, to come back to price, pretty notable mix improvement, obviously, in the S in 2018. It looks like there's a little over $20 million of EBITDA growth at kind of the midpoint of your guidance for 2019. Really how much of that is price? Is this basically all price driven? Can you talk about your assumptions for price versus volume?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Noah, I'll take it. When you think about the growth in 2018, certainly prices, as Alan and others have said, was a good driver of that. I would say the predominancy of the growth in revenue was mixed, as Alan tried to say, where kind of higher margin waste streams, higher chlorinated waste streams that are difficult to dispose of really came into the network, and that's due to our growth in the chemical and the manufacturing space. That really drove the incremental revenue and the incremental margin improvement. As you look to 2019, I think that just keeps going. I think that some of the contracts we have kind of continue, and these types of waste streams continue into 2019.

When I think of the midpoint, we ended at 491, and the midpoint of our guidance is 520, I think a lot of that is really a mix issue as much as a price issue. Price is up, no doubt about it, catching up from 2017, really, our costs are going up, and we've been able to have constructive conversations with our customers about increasing price. If you look at the overall growth, it really is a mixed story. That continues in 2019. Which I think is actually a more positive story, frankly. I think that really talks about what's happening in the United States from a chemical renaissance, which we've talked about quite a bit.

Whether our current customers are doing more or new customers are coming online, it really was a great finish to a great year. I think the story is a mixed story as much as a price story.

Noah Kaye
Analyst, Oppenheimer

That's very helpful. Thanks, Mike. Kind of switching gears. How should we think about working capital impacts for the free cash flow guide for 2019? It looks like you got a nice benefit to 4Q around the payable side. You talked about maybe still an opportunity to decrease DSOs. What should we expect for working capital impact?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

I'd say working capital is neutral. Maybe it grows a bit as the business grows. In my guidance, I'm not anticipating DSO dropping dramatically. We'll continue to work it. We have plans to do that. I really don't think we're planning on a big DSO decrease.

Noah Kaye
Analyst, Oppenheimer

I would just point out that from our perspective, kind of underlying free cash flow growth in the guide is higher. You did a really nice job, to your credit, from 4Q on the working capital side. Let me just ask one slightly different question to finish off here. I think we've seen data from EPA that something like 1.3% of all public water systems have detections of PFAS that are at or above the nation's health advisory level. Recently, we've seen EPA saying they're going to propose a regulatory determination by the end of 2019. Alan, I think last quarter you estimated $25 million-$30 million revenue in 2018 from the PFAS cleanup. Really, kind of a three-part question. Where did you end up in 2018 revenues? What have you projected for 2019?

How large do you think the TAM becomes if the EPA ultimately sets a rigorous drinking water contamination standard?

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

It probably came in closer to $15+ million last year, we've certainly been paying attention to that regulatory change that's going to be coming about, and we see a real opportunity, to be honest with you. We've invested capital, part of our increasing capital spending is to build more on-site treatment units to support our customers' demand in that area. We've been pretty much maxed out with the facilities that we have today. That's going to be a real positive, I think, for us.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Hey, Noah, can I add one more point to Alan's comments? I think if you look at 2019 guidance, we haven't assumed a lot of incremental from that number. Just so you and I are on the same page, and the Street's on the same page, if PFAS becomes a thing here in 2019, that's probably upside to the model.

Noah Kaye
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Perfect. Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Larry Solow with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Peter Lucas
Analyst, CJS Securities

Yes, hey, good morning. It's Peter Lucas for Larry. I apologize if I missed it in a prior question. Just on direct loop, you've done a nice job there in expanding it to over 25,000 customers. Do you see the continued growth as a slow grind or more of a hockey stick growth that will need a couple national accounts to get it going?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yeah, Pete, this is Mike. I'll take it, Alan, feel free to jump in. I'd say that 2018 on the direct loop didn't hit our own internal guidance, but still a great growth. 70% growth year-over-year on our direct loop business, and it continues to grow in 2019. The point we wanted to mention in the comments was, it's more of a blended loop story. We're trying to grow both our distributor business and our direct loop business, going from $39 million, $40 million in 2018 to $50 million in 2019. Whether we get it through the direct loop channels that we talked about previously or through our distributor network, we want to grow that blended loop. That's where the margins are, that's where the stickiness is. That's where we really want to drive this business going forward.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah, it just reduces the volatility and the exposure on the.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

On base loop.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

On base loop.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yep.

Peter Lucas
Analyst, CJS Securities

Perfect. You guys did a real nice job covering it and talking about the EBITDA guidance going forward there. A lot of commentary for 2019, it sounds like mix is kind of the main driver between the high end and low end of guidance. Is that the right way to think about it, or is there any other key driving factors that we should think about there?

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yeah, I'd say mix is a big part of it. I think that one would be, depends on the mix and the projects that we have. The pipeline of projects looks very strong. One of our guys said one of the strongest he's seen in a long time. We're hopeful that comes through. If that comes through, we're going to be on the high end. If those get delayed for reasons beyond our control, we'll be on the low end.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Yeah.

Peter Lucas
Analyst, CJS Securities

Very helpful. Thanks, congratulations on the quarter.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Thanks, Pete.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of William Griffin with UBS. Please proceed with your questions.

William Griffin
Analyst, UBS

Hi, good morning, everyone. Just quickly, sorry if I missed it, but could you just detail the Veolia contribution in 4Q for both revenue and EBITDA? It sounds like you're making some good progress ramping that business, improving margins. Just kind of size up for us maybe what you're expecting for 2019 for that acquisition.

Michael L. Battles
EVP and CFO, Clean Harbors

Yep. William, if you give me 30 seconds, I'll pull the Q4 revenue. The EBITDA was about $4 million-$4.5 million in Q4. For the year, that turns out to be about $14 million-$14.5 million of overall EBITDA for Veolia. We think that goes up into the high teens, into $20 million in 2019 as that business continues to do well for us. I don't have the revenue numbers at my fingertips.

William Griffin
Analyst, UBS

All right. No problem. Thank you very much. That's all I had.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question today, you may press *1 from your telephone keypad. Thank you. At this time, I'll turn the floor back to Mr. McKim for closing remarks.

Alan S. McKim
Chairman, President, and CEO, Clean Harbors

Okay. Thanks, Rob. Thanks for joining us today, everybody. We're going to be presenting at next week's Raymond James Conference. We look forward to seeing some of you there as well as other investor events. We appreciate you joining our call today. Have a great day.