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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Nov 7, 2018

Federico Pavesi
Head of Investor Relations, CNH Industrial

Thank you, Sergey. Good morning and afternoon, everyone. We would like to welcome you to the CNH Industrial third quarter 2018 result webcast conference call. This call is being broadcast live on our website and is copyrighted by CNH Industrial. Any other use, recording, or transmission of any portion of this broadcast without the express written consent of CNH Industrial is strictly forbidden. We are pleased to have here with us today, CNH Industrial CEO, Hubertus Mühlhäuser, and our CFO, Massimiliano Chiara, who will be hosting today's call. They will use the material you may download from the CNH Industrial website. After their presentation, we will be holding a Q&A session. As a final comment, please note that any forward-looking statement we might be making during today call are subject to the risk and uncertainties mentioned in the safe harbor statement, including in the presentation material.

Additional information pertaining to factors that could cause actual results to differ materially is contained in the company most recent Form 20-F and EU Annual Report, as well as other periodic reports and filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and equivalent authorities in the Netherlands and Italy. The company presentation may include certain non-GAAP financial measures. Additional information, including reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, is included in the presentation material. I will now turn the call over to Hubertus.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Thank you, Federico, and good morning and good afternoon to everyone. I'm very pleased to be participating in my first earnings call since joining CNH Industrial in mid-September. For the last month and a half, I've been traveling extensively to visit our facilities and meet with our regional management teams and, of course, our customers. At the end of the presentation, I would like to share with you some of my initial impressions as well as my thoughts on our priorities. For now, I would like to touch on a few earnings highlights before we move into the detailed results. It was a solid quarter despite uncertainties related to the geopolitical headwinds and raw material inflationary challenges that have had an impact in most markets where we compete. We achieved an adjusted diluted EPS of $0.16 per share, up 45% compared to the Q3 of last year.

We have seen continued margin improvement in all industrial segments with strong operating leverage in agricultural and construction equipment, while in commercial vehicles, the refocusing strategy on product mix is on track as anticipated. We continue to invest in new products and technologies to drive the next generation of platforms, particularly on precision farming and Stage V transition on off-road engine applications. Lastly, we are confirming our full year guidance for net sales of industrial activities and net industrial debt with adjusted diluted EPS expected now at the high end of the range. Moving on to slide four, let me provide you with a high-level industry update for the third quarter.

I won't go through line by line, but what I just would like to highlight here is that in ag, NAFTA row crop continues to trend positively with strong performance as customers replace dated equipment, especially in the high horsepower segment. In this replacement demand environment, order book remains strong despite sentiment softening with NAFTA orders up about 10% year-over-year Q3. CE, once again, was positive in all regions as the global construction trends we have been seeing continue and in some cases gain strength, especially in heavy equipment. In the quarter, our production levels were up 15%, supporting a healthy order book. For CV, the EMEA truck market was up 7% year-over-year with most key markets demonstrating positive growth and continuing to perform at high level.

Brazil was up 51% off a low base and Argentina down 31% in the quarter due to a difficult macro environment. Overall, while we're seeing some weakness in certain specific markets, the key markets for us are generally improving with strong positive demand trends. At this point, I hand it over to Max for the financial overview of the presentation. Max?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Thank you very much, Hubertus, and good morning or afternoon to everyone on the call. Moving now to the key figures of our third quarter. In summary, we finished the quarter with strong earnings and improved operating profitability across our segments after most end markets remained healthy during the quarter. Although the top line was flat year-over-year, we did have an 18% improvement in construction equipment sales and a 4% increase in agricultural equipment, offset by a decline in commercial vehicles and FPT Industrial. Net income of $231 million for the third quarter of 2018 included a pre-tax gain of $30 million of certain healthcare benefits in the U.S. following the favorable judgment issued by the U.S. Supreme Court as previously announced.

Instead, as a reminder, in the third quarter of 2017, net income included a charge of $39 million related to the repurchase of notes, as well as $53 million of restructuring charges, primarily in our Magirus business. When I move to our non-GAAP figures, adjusted EBIT of industrial activities closed at $321 million with margin up 100 basis points to 5.1%, with all segments reporting higher margins than the same period last year. Adjusted EBITDA of industrial activities was $591 million, up 13% from last year with a margin of 9.5%. Adjusted net income for the third quarter was up 47% year-over-year with adjusted diluted EPS at $0.16 a share, up $0.05 from previous year. On a year-to-date basis, our revenues are now up 10% at $21.5 billion.

Adjusted EBIT at Industrial Activities is up 45% to $1.15 billion, denoting a strong operating leverage mainly as a result of incremental production and favorable price realization across the portfolio. While we continue to enjoy efficiency in our industrial operations to offset raw material headwinds and inflationary cost increases. Adjusted net income for the nine-month period is up almost 80%, with adjusted diluted EPS up $0.25 per share. Of that increase, two-thirds is due to the operating performance improvement, and one-third comes from lower interest expense and a lower tax rate, now at 28% for the year-to-date period, in line with our full-year expectations as well. Net industrial debt at the end of September was $2 billion, $0.7 billion higher than in June due to the seasonal increase in net working capital.

Although I will describe in more detail the cash flow performance in Q3 in the following pages, let me tell you that based on where we are at the end of September and looking at our historical cash flow performance achieved in Q4, we feel confident we can reach our net debt guidance for the full-year. Available liquidity was $8.3 billion, slightly down compared to the end of June 2018. The liquidity to revenue ratio was maintained at just below 30%, with net industrial debt to adjusted industrial EBITDA below one times. This performance is a clear sign that we remain fully committed to further improving our credit rating from the current levels.

In the quarter, we also had a positive development at S&P rating with the raising of one notch to triple B flat of our long-term rating at both the industrial as well as the capital entities as a testament to our balance sheet deleveraging efforts, now coupled with a strong operating profitability improvement year-over-year. Turning to slide six, let's discuss the third quarter performance in our Industrial Activities' net sales. Net sales were flat in the third quarter when compared to the third quarter of last year, with FX currency translation negative 4%, primarily driven by the stronger U.S. dollar. Net sales at constant currency increased organically to $159 million or 4%, with agricultural equipment contributing $214 million and up 8.4% as a result of price realization across all regions and higher sales volume primarily in NAFTA.

Construction equipment net sales increased $131 million or 21% as a result of higher volume and favorable net price realization on the back of a sustained positive industry trend, primarily NAFTA and APAC. For commercial vehicles, net sales decreased $76 million or 3% as a result of lower sales volume, primarily in heavy vehicle trucks in EMEA, partially offset by favorable pricing across all regions and a positive end market demand environment in light-duty vehicles in Europe, with the other market down in volume, primarily Argentina and Turkey. Powertrain was down 6.4% year-over-year instead. In terms of regional mix, NAFTA is growing three points offset by LATAM and APAC, which are down inclusive of the negative FX impact. Turning to slide seven now with an overview of our operating results at the Industrial Activities level for the third quarter of 2018 and compared to prior year.

On a flat revenue, we were able to reduce cost, improve margin, and maintain cost discipline in our SG&A expense to close the third quarter with an adjusted EBIT up 24% year-over-year to $321 million, with a margin over revenue of 5.1%, improvement of 100 basis points year-over-year. Most segments contributed positively, all posting improved EBIT margins versus the same quarter last year, moving the adjusted EBIT margin improvement on a year-to-date basis to 130 basis points for the industrial operations. The adjusted EBITDA closed at $591 million, with a margin of 9.5%, up 110 basis points compared to last year. Moving on to slide eight to discuss our net industrial debt performance.

Net industrial debt of $2 billion at the end of September was $0.7 billion higher than the end of the second quarter of 2018 as a result of the cash flow usage of $0.7 billion during the third quarter. The cash usage in the period is primarily the result of three things. First was the typical seasonality trend caused by the summer production shutdown in NAFTA and EMEA. Second was the larger payable decrease due to higher production in the second quarter of 2018 versus the same quarter in 2017. Third was the increase in inventories caused by engine stockpiling in preparation to the Stage V transition at the beginning of 2019 and by some supply chain bottlenecks in NAFTA due to constraints in ramping up capacity at our supplier base.

When we look at the full year, we are on path to achieve our net debt target within the guided range of between $0.7 billion-$0.9 billion, as we are targeting a cash generation figure for the fourth quarter of between $1.1 billion-$1.3 billion, which is below the average realized in the last five years of about a billion and a half. Finally, we start seeing a double-digit increase in our CapEx program, up 16% year-over-year, flowing through in the third quarter. More importantly is the mix shift within the categories of spending, where we are actually more than doubling the spending in new products in an effort to accelerate initiatives to support the growth in our industrial segment. CapEx is now running around 2% of revenues, in line with our expectations for the full year. Moving on to slide nine, our financial services business.

Net income was up $6 million compared to the third quarter of last year. For the quarter, retail loan originations were $2.4 billion, flat compared to last year, as a result of a third quarter performance where originations were growing in the NAFTA market after three consecutive years of declines due to the ag cycle since 2014. The managed portfolio of $25.5 billion, as of the end of September, was up $0.4 billion at constant currency, with NAFTA negative more than offset by the other three regions, all positive. Credit quality performance is improving on the back of a healthy evolution in our primary end market, with delinquencies tracking on average at 3.2% of the total portfolio, down 40 basis points versus one year ago, half of which comes from a benign credit environment in Brazil, while the other half is split between NAFTA and EMEA.

Turning now to the individual segment performance on Slide 10, agricultural equipment increase in net sales of 8% on a constant currency basis was primarily the result of price realization across all regions and higher sales volume in NAFTA, partially offset by soft demand in Australia and Northern Europe due to severe drought conditions, and in Turkey and Argentina due to geopolitical worries. Adjusted EBITDA was $272 million, up $17 million compared to the third quarter of 2017, with a margin of 10.3%, up 30 basis points. Adjusted EBIT was shy of $200 million in the third quarter of 2018, a $23 million increase compared to the third quarter of 2017. Adjusted EBIT margin increased 60 basis points to 7.4% compared to the third quarter of 2017.

The increase was mainly attributable to a favorable net price realization of approximately 3%, including the flow-through of the benefit from the investment-grade achievement in lower interest compensation to financial services, while the anticipated raw material cost increase was offset by manufacturing efficiencies and lower warranty costs due to improved quality performance. Similar to previous quarters, the segment continued to see increased product development spending related primarily to precision farming and compliance with Stage 5 emission requirements, with a 10% increase year-over-year. Additionally, lower JV income and negative foreign currency exchange impacted the result. Inventory levels in NAFTA row crop, flat to the end of June, remain in balance with the expectation of a retail to production ratio for the full year slightly below one, while we are continuing with the stocking actions in NAFTA hay and forage, as discussed in previous quarters.

Turning to the next slide, construction equipment net sales increased 18% in the third quarter of 2018 compared to the third quarter of 2017 as a result of favorable end user demand, primarily in NAFTA and APAC and positive net price realization. Adjusted EBITDA was $41 million, up $23 million from last year, with a margin of 5.6%, up 270 basis points. Adjusted EBIT was $26 million in the third quarter, a $24 million increase compared to the third quarter of 2017, with an adjusted EBIT margin increase of 330 basis points to 3.6% as a result of higher volume, favorable product mix, and net price realization, more than offsetting raw material cost increases and negative FX. In the quarter, production levels were 13 above retail demand in anticipation of the fourth quarter retail seasonality with dealer inventory up versus June, primarily in NAFTA at stable forward month of sales step.

On Slide 12, commercial vehicles net sales decreased 7% in the third quarter of 2018 compared to the third quarter of 2017, down 3% on a constant currency basis as a result of lower sales volume, primarily in heavy vehicle trucks in EMEA, partially offset by favorable pricing across all regions. We start seeing price realization in heavy at work in Europe. Total deliveries were down 8% year-over-year as increased volume in light commercial vehicles and in buses as a result of increased end user demand in EMEA and Brazil were more than offset by the impact of lower volume in heavy vehicles. The decline in heavy vehicle sales is attributable to the previously announced strategy shift, which focuses sales on a more profitable product portfolio, including alternative propulsion vehicles.

Consistent with this trend in sales, we are reducing channel inventory to make sure we maintain the product availability and balance to the run rate of our sales, with a mix changing towards natural gas engines in anticipation of the strong demand growth in that segment going forward. Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter was $260 million, with a margin of 9%, up 210 basis points compared to last year. Adjusted EBIT was $68 million for the third quarter, a 58% increase compared to the same quarter last year, with an adjusted EBIT margin of 2.8%. The increase was the result of a favorable product mix with favorable volume in light and buses, more than offset by lower sales in heavy EMEA as a result of the anticipated lower fleet-related sales, including sales with buyback commitment and positive price realization, primarily in the truck product lineup.

In the other CV segment divisions, we experienced strong performance in the bus on the back of a solid order book and production increase of 6% year-over-year, while the turnaround program in Magirus is taking shape as expected, where we are reducing our loss position year-over-year by half. The market share for trucks in Europe was 11.4% down versus last year, as we anticipated when we announced the new customer refocusing sales program, inclusive of the reduction in sales with buyback commitment. This being said, I will note that there are pockets of order strength in each region, such as light truck order book up double-digit in EMEA and truck order book solidly up 40% year-on-year in Brazil, although starting from a lower base.

Medium continues to be weak across the board, although it remains a far smaller market than it used to be in the past cycle. Trucks book-to-bill was 0.9 in EMEA and 1 in LATAM. While it is still early, indication lead us to believe that the EU heavy truck market may continue to see demand momentum into 2019, and Brazil should continue to recover from a very low base. Powertrain net sales. I'm on slide 13. The Powertrain net sales decreased 10% in the third quarter of 2018 compared to the third quarter of 2017, down 6% on a constant currency basis due to lower sales volume, primarily attributable to a different calendarization of the engine sales associated with the transition to the new Stage V regulation. Sales to external customers accounted for 52% of total net sales versus 48% last year.

Adjusted EBITDA was $113 million, slightly down compared to last year, with a margin of 11.6%, up 40 basis points. Adjusted EBIT was $82 million for the third quarter, compared to $88 million for the third quarter of last year. Adjusted EBIT margins slightly increased to 8.4% as favorable product mix more than offset a 9% decline in engine volume, offset somewhat by raw material cost inflation. I have concluded my presentation and will turn it back over to Hubertus for the outlook and his final remarks before opening up for the Q&A session.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Thank you, Max. When we turn to the market outlook for the full year on slide 15, the performance in the majority of the industry where we compete has been better than we anticipated last quarter. While trade and geopolitical tensions are still making it very hard to perfectly forecast, we have slightly tweaked some of them up. I won't run through all the changes here, but generally speaking, while the outlook for ag is more or less the same, estimates for the other industries have been shifted to the high end of our existing Q2 outlook.

Of particular note, I would say that while ag sentiment has softened over the summer and fall months, this has not yet translated into slowing replacement demand, as commodities have stabilized and government support in NAFTA has shifted the conversations more to yield improvements and put precision ag front and center in many of the customer and dealer conversations. In terms of CE, the market fundamentals continue to be supportive, especially in NAFTA and APAC. While we have seen an impact from the tariffs, we have been able to mitigate these with price surcharges. CV markets, aside from Argentina, continue to progress at high level of demand, and we don't see any significant weakening of the demand macros we use to gauge further demand. In both light and heavy trucks demand in Europe, we see progress at a high level sustained by urban mobility and long-haulage eco-efficient policies.

Many of our end markets are in the initial stages of recovery, while others are experiencing strong demand. We feel confident about the current business conditions, and we will continue to monitor various market fundamentals and provide 2019 guidance when we release our full year earnings next year. On the next slide, we highlight our guidance for full year 2018. Despite increasing uncertainties related to the trade policy environment and raw material inflationary headwinds, together with foreign exchange volatility in the emerging economies, CNH Industrial is confirming its 2018 guidance as follows. Net sales of industrial activities at approximately $28 billion. Adjusted diluted EPS between $0.67 and $0.71 per share. In light of the third quarter earnings results with the expectations to be at the high end of the range. Net industrial debt at the end of 2018 between $0.7 billion-$0.9 billion.

Now I'd like to discuss a few quarterly highlights in terms of product accolades and sustainability awards. On slide 18, you see that we had another great quarter in terms of awards, product introductions and cost saving efforts. Last month, Iveco participated at the IAA Hannover Commercial Vehicle Trade Show, where we displayed 18 vehicles to showcase a sustainable offering across the whole product line for alternative electric CNG and LNG traction vehicles. In fact, just the other week, the Stralis NP 460 with LNG achieved a record-breaking 1,728-kilometer trip on a single fill of natural gas. Just yesterday, it has been awarded Sustainable Truck of the Year 2019 in Italy after winning Low Carbon Truck of the Year in the U.K. last year.

In conjunction with the show, FPT demonstrated its work with hydrogen fuel cell technology, which includes research that one day could lead to zero emission solutions across the vehicle range. Additionally, Iveco also launched a new Daily 4x4, which offers a full lineup of all road and off-road vehicles up to seven tons. If we turn to the ag portfolio, Case IH Puma 2254 tractor won a Technology Innovation Award at China's TOP50+ Agricultural Machinery Products of the Year Award. While New Holland won the same award for RB 125 round balers. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, New Holland won three awards at the EIMA International Innovation Contest in Bologna this week. Congratulations to both brands on their hard work and dedication to excellence, which these awards have come to signify.

If you turn to the next slide 19, I would like to take a moment to highlight some of our sustainability growth drivers. As you know quite well, we have historically taken sustainability and the core principle that encapsulates very seriously at CNH Industrial. The four growth drivers inform and guide the investment decisions of the company and are closely related to the definition of the interventions, priorities, and the company's medium and long-term targets. Additionally, CNH Industrial was reconfirmed as industry leader in the Dow Jones Sustainability Indices World and Europe for the eighth consecutive year. This inclusion, among other things, demonstrates the robustness of the program and proves our dedication to the initiative. Lastly, in closing, I would like to share some first impressions, as well as two priorities that will guide us over the next quarters.

As stated earlier, I'm currently in an in-depth getting to know CNH Industrial tour. The strengths that I find in our company are noteworthy. Starting with our global operations. World-class manufacturing is implemented at all sites across all segments. This drives impressive year-over-year productivity improvements and will continue to contribute positively to our margin journey. Our technology positions are noteworthy as well. The progress that I've seen in the digital transformation of our business segments is very encouraging, and next year's product introductions will be a major leap forward, especially in ag. Also, the partnership with Farmers Edge, the leading solution provider in agronomy services that we announced last week, will help us secure and gain market share in the rapidly growing precision farming space. Farmers Edge will also allow us to connect our already installed base in a fast and efficient way.

Switching to FPT in our commercial vehicle segments. I'm deeply impressed with the technology position of FPT, having led a competitive engine division for several years myself. What is not yet fully appreciated by the market nor our investors is the importance of our leadership position in CNG and LNG engines and its specific short-term importance for our commercial vehicle segment. With the latest legislation changes across Europe and specifically Germany, we will see an increase in LNG fleets to reduce emissions and to benefit from toll discounts and other incentives, given the lower emission profile of CNG and LNG. Last but not least, our strong base of dedicated, competent, and I must say, ambitious colleagues across the globe. I find an environment that has a passion for continuous improvement and that embraces change, and this is a very strong base to build on.

Therefore, as an organization, we are now working on two priorities. Priority one, we will continue on the operational performance improvement journey. Building on the progress that we have made in the last quarters, we will continue on the journey of margin improvement by further simplifying our business processes and structures. We see operating margin improvement potential not only in commercial vehicle and construction equipment, but also in the ag and powertrain segments. We have become quite complex in our product portfolios and processes, and we will address that complexity with the 80/20 principles that many world-class organizations have implemented successfully. Taking complexity out of our business will help drive margin improvement, and we have started that 80/20 journey already and will roll it out globally over the next few quarters. Complexity reduction, coupled with world-class manufacturing, will help us move margins in the right direction.

In the meantime, we are going to maintain a laser-focused commitment on our efforts to deleverage the balance sheet with the aim to further strengthen our investment-grade rating position going forward. The second priority is the development of a profitable growth strategy. We will start a thorough strategy process in Q1 of next year for all of our segments, and we will get back to our investors with our strategic conclusions in the course of 2019. All of our businesses will change due to digitalization, electrification and automation. It is our strong strategic intent to lead in the areas we operate in rather than follow or, even worse, be disrupted. This will require investments in innovation, and it will require strategic choices. I now turn it back to Federico.

Federico Pavesi
Head of Investor Relations, CNH Industrial

Thank you very much, Hubertus. This concludes our prepared remarks for the third quarter results, and we can now open up for questions. Sergey, please take the first one.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, today's question and answer session will be conducted electronically. We will take our first question from Larry DeMaria from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Larry DeMaria
Analyst, William Blair

Okay, thanks. Good morning, congratulations, Hubertus, and best of luck.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Hi, Larry.

Larry DeMaria
Analyst, William Blair

Hey. I'm curious about the NAFTA sentiment softening, obviously orders are still nice, up 10%, you guys overproduced by 15% and last year, the same time, underproduced. The question is, how comfortable are you with this dynamic, what does it mean into 2019? In other words, are we risking a softening of orders and excess inventory?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Hi, Larry. This is Max speaking. I'll take these questions. As we said, we overproduced in Q3 slightly in row crop, this is in anticipation of the typical strong Q4 selling season. As I said in my remarks, our expectations for the full year is to be balanced between production and retailing row crop NAFTA, potentially slightly below one, underproducing retail slightly, low single digit. We don't see that risk of buildup of inventory coming at the end of the year at this point.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Sentiment, despite having worsened a little bit, demand is there. The order books are up and are holding as it seems.

Larry DeMaria
Analyst, William Blair

Okay, thanks. Secondly, recognize that strategic review is underway, but Hubertus, curious your early intentions and your appetite for broader, more strategic changes and if the board is open to them, obviously thinking about the subscale businesses like trucks, construction, maybe even New Holland. Is the board looking to or open to the idea of maybe monetizing or doing something more strategic, or is it more about just improving the operations of those in your review? I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

No, I think it is both. First of all, our board is very open-minded. I think the first priority is that we have to continue on the margin journey. If you look at the segments, our margin is not satisfying, for sure not in commercial vehicle and CE, and you see that the turnaround is working. We're moving in the right direction, and we also see potential in Ag and FPT. That being said, I think the board charged me very clearly with understanding what is the full potential of all our different segments, looking ahead five, 10 years. Where can we be, and what is the investment that it takes to get there?

We will do this analysis next year. We basically count the eggs together and basically see whether we have to make strategic choices and focus or whether the synergies between the segments are strong enough. Talking about synergies, I said that there are a lot of synergies between the four different segments. They're all faced with connectivity and the digital revolution. We can use those synergies. We all see different propulsion system driven by electrification. That is the case for all our different segments. Last but not least, automation. It will be really a trade-off of what do we have to invest and how big are the synergy between the four areas to then basically make our strategic conclusions that we would then share with our investors in the course of 2019.

Larry DeMaria
Analyst, William Blair

Understood. Okay, thanks and good luck, Hubertus.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Thanks.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Joe O'Dea, Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Hi, good morning. First, I just wanted to understand some of the margin headwinds potentially into the fourth quarter. I think overall, a good margin quarter in three Q. What you're seeing in terms of raw material inflation, any timing factors with respect to price cost and what you're seeing on the currency side, just to appreciate what that looks like sequentially on some of the margin pressure.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Look, no doubt, the margin performance in the year has been there for each of the three quarters. Right now, the implied estimate for the fourth quarter is obviously that year-over-year trajectory to soften. We continue to believe that the business has the capacity to deliver. We just need to maintain a cautious approach vis-a-vis all the uncertainties that have come to fruition in the third quarter, including the trade policy discussions and also some macroeconomic hiccups in certain countries that are relevant in the developing economies. We prefer to maintain a very cautious approach for Q4, and we'll see where we end up at the end of the year.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

If these hiccups don't come, we might be better than we have guided. For the time being, I think it is prudent to be cautious and conservative.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

I guess part of it is just trying to understand how much of the maybe cost structure challenges in 4Q you would view as more transitory. Whether there's anything on the price cost dynamic that gets a little bit tougher in the fourth quarter but would likely improve into next year, if there's anything you're thinking about in terms of shifting around production in response to some of the FX headwinds you had in the quarter. How much of this is more timing versus this is a development that you would expect to persist as a margin pressure into next year?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

There has definitely been a step up in headwinds, particularly raw material. The initial bite on the tariff as well in Q4 is expected. As we have been saying at the beginning of the year, we anticipated this inflationary cost increase by pricing ahead of time, and we continue to look for pricing opportunities moving into early 2019 to be able to offset the headwinds that we're going to face into 2019 for raw material inflationary pressure, as well as the tariff, assuming those tariffs stay in place as they are today.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Can you just size what kind of dollar headwind you think tariffs represent for you at this point?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Q4, it's going to be a minimal amount, it's not material. I would say on an annualized basis, I could give you a range of between $50 and $100 million, depending if we talk only about the NAFTA tariffs or if we also consider the impact of the situation in Europe that, as we know, is temporary right now. There have been regulations put in place based on quota allocations through February. If those get extended into the whole of 2019, we are going to look at the number which is closer to the upper end of the range that I gave you.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

That's helpful. Just a last question on Stage V, just trying to understand a little bit better the impact that that had on powertrain in the quarter and what your strategy is for the transition. I think it sounds like building some stock ahead of that. I don't know if that means most of 2019 will still be Stage IV engines, just given how the transition works, but a little bit more details on the impact in the quarter and how you're thinking about Stage V.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

I think you got the mechanics. FPT produced engine on, let me say, the previous regulations and will produce through the end of this year, right? Those engines will be sold to third parties and to the captive customers, which will hold the engines in stock until they get depleted in the production into next year. Right now, let me say that our estimate of the stockpiling inventory that we have is about, let me say, $80 million-$100 million, and that will be at the end of this year, which will be depleted into next year. Powertrain enjoyed some favorable absorptions impact during the current year that will not repeat next year because of the stockpiling effort.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

The revenue headwind in the quarter?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

No, it's going to be a headwind for 2019 for FPT, and that's for sure. Then we're going to have to gap that.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Got it.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Bridge that.

Joe O'Dea
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

All right. Thanks very much.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Ann Duignan of J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Ann Duignan
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hi. Good morning, everybody.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Hello, Ann.

Ann Duignan
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Morning. Hubertus, maybe you could talk about sentiment in the Midwest and how surprisingly it's held up until most recently. However, I mean, 50% of soybean exports are made between September and January, we've kind of lost that window now, particularly with Brazil likely harvesting early. In our view, I mean, there's kind of, sort of no scenario in which sentiment doesn't get worse before it gets better. I'm wondering about how you're preparing the ag division, particularly the row crop U.S. division, for what could potentially be a particularly weak year in 2019, even if the tariffs disappeared at this point.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Well, I mean, let me start, then Max is going to add. As said, sentiment has decreased a little bit. The order book still holds strong. The specific soybean issue is, of course, something that needs to be seen where this is coming and going. Of course, we don't really know what the Chinese tariff situation is going to be, which has a big impact on that. Hence, the uncertainty right now in the overall political environment and hence our caution on the guidance and the conservatism. How are we going to deal with it, Max?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

I mean, at the end, the bottom line is there is a relative balance on a worldwide basis between production and consumption of soybean, between soybean and soymeal. There are flows in and out between the countries. While we anticipate short-term disruptions, we also think that in the long term, there will be an adjustment. How that adjustment will play out is not completely clear today, but definitely one lever that the North American farmers can pull is to work towards improving the productivity. Obviously, also in the planting season, switching crop could also mitigate some of the pressure. Then continuing to manage, let me say, the pricing function between spot and pre-sold is obviously also important from the economics of a farming business.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

I think to add to the switching of the crop, I think this is what you're going to see next year. You're going to see that farmers will switch away from soy more and to other crops and then also still demand will hold for our tractors. I think it's going to be good.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

By the way, obviously we see this pressure mounting up in North America, and at the same time, we see a very benign environment developing in Brazil and potentially a recovery in Argentina for next crop, which is expected, in terms of underlying expectations, let me say, to the positive end of the spectrum. Obviously it's about where you sell your equipment at the end, right? How much, I mean, the farmers push into the productivity game to reduce the input cost.

Ann Duignan
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yes, Hubertus, back to your switching into other crops comment. I mean, North Dakota and South Dakota alone planted 12 million acres of soybeans this year. If we got 12 million acres switched into some other crops, primarily corn, maybe some wheat, won't that have a negative impact on those crops and an oversupply situation ends up happening there, just broadening the negative sentiment?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Look, this is Max again. I don't want to get into a macroeconomic context here, we see stock-to-use ratios on the other crops that are moving in a positive direction. Definitely the switching in the planting season may put some pressure on those ratios, we have seen a big chunk of the corn stock being depleted, for example, in China, as you know, which made up in the past, at the peak, made up almost 50% of that ratio. We also see some relative positive price development on the wheat side which also could help manage the mix of the crops into next year.

Ann Duignan
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay. Well, I'll leave that question there. I just wanted to follow up on the stage 5, stage 4 engine stockpiling. Again, just philosophically, you talk about sustainability and with pride, then we find that we're stockpiling engines that don't meet next year's emission standards. How do you reconcile that with your sustainability goals and targets?

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Well, I don't think it goes against our sustainability goals. If you see all our investments that we're doing, we're encouraging, of course, our customers to switch over from diesel into gas engines. As a matter of fact, this is not always possible. You know that those emission regulations had very tight timelines. We are serving third-party customers, we cannot mandate them to basically switch over with their customers, and we have to serve them. What we have done with our own developments, we were trying to limit the stockpiling to a minimum and to be compliant even earlier than was demanded by legislation. Because if you look at the LNG engines, as a matter of fact, they are already significantly cleaner than everything that you have on the diesel side.

I do think we take the sustainability efforts very serious, and we're not encouraging internally to basically go around and break some rules there. We're following the rules and we're encouraging our customers, as I said, to switch to cleaner engines even sooner. Also the economic impact for us is good because the higher regulated engines also have a better margin for us, and this is also what you see in FPT, and you see that where the profitability increases in the mix. That is a good one for us. We have no interest to basically stay with the old engines.

Ann Duignan
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yes, we did note that at IAA, you certainly were not highlighting diesel engines on display. Thank you for that. I'll leave it there.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

No, in contrast, we called it no diesel. As I said in my prepared remarks, Ann, I think there is a shift ongoing right now. We're rethinking in Europe to LNG engines. Even though some of our competitors are lobbying heavy for diesel engines, we are lobbying heavy for the right thing to do, which is LNG, because that is the only sensible and economic sensible bridging strategy between now and potentially fuel cells in five, six years. We are the leader in that, and we see that this segment is going to grow and that LNG is going to take significant share. This is completely consistent with our sustainability targets as well.

Ann Duignan
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yeah, I think your competitors recognize that also. Okay. Thank you. I'll leave it there.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Thanks, Ann.

Operator

We will now take our next question from David Raso of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

David Raso
Analyst, Evercore ISI

All right. Thank you. Just trying to think about the margin profile going into next year, especially with the strategic review that you're going to undertake. The fourth quarter, just so I understand, you're implying your sales are up about $1.6 billion sequentially, where we're talking the industrial company. Your EBIT must decline, I don't know, $50 million or $75 million to come up with that low in EPS to be at the high end of the range. I'm just trying to understand how to think about the margin profile going forward, if that's correct. I mean, why would sales be up $1.6 billion sequentially and your EBIT's down that materially? I know you went through some issues, but then how do I extrapolate that into thinking about the review into 2019?

I don't know if you'd like to touch on the old margin targets that we used to have that I know were challenging to achieve. I'm just trying to understand, A, the fourth quarter, what are you really implying and how to think about margin profile going into 2019?

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. Max is going to take the Q4. I take the 2019 question.

David Raso
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Thanks.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

As I said before, David, speaking about the Q4, we don't want to enter into a reconciliation exercise with your spreadsheet. Basically, you have seen, you see the underlying performance of this business. You have seen it for three quarters now in a row, above 100 basis points of margin improvement. The underlying performance is there. We just see a lot of headwinds coming in front of us, including obviously some of those tariffs and incremental raw material cost that are pushing us down in the fourth quarter. If some of those uncertainties don't really materialize, then obviously we have some upside potential in the fourth quarter.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. For 2019, you will understand that I don't want to give here after six weeks into the chair any margin guidance per different segment. That is really what we want to do on the strategic review that we're going to have next year. What I can say from a distance, and of course, knowing three of the four segments very well, because I live those with competitors, I think we have improvement potential for all of the four segments right now. As I said, priority number one is, A, to continue on the margin improvement journey. As you will see in the last three quarters, we have increased margin versus prior year. We intend to do this and to continue on that journey in 2019, and this will be helped by A, world-class manufacturing, which is providing impressive productivity improvements year-over-year.

It will be achieved by fighting against the inflationary tendencies on the raw material prices that we're seeing, and we have pricing opportunities, and it will be achieved by simplifying our business. I know that in Ag, 80/20 has not been frequently done, but many analysts here on the call know the 80/20 principles very well. It's a very interesting set of tools that I have personally deployed at other companies, and that have been widely deployed by world-class organization. We're going to be very consistent on that journey, implementing those tools and driving profitability with that. In the course of next year, we're going to be able to then give margin targets for the various segments that we have. We're also going to give a time when those should be achieved.

Of course, we got to see what the top line is going to do and where we are in the cycle, and that has, of course, an impact. My tendency is always to do those targets on flat revenues or to basically have the average through the cycle. We get back to you with a detailed analysis and a conclusion.

David Raso
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Given your history with the 80/20 and knowing these businesses, should we think of a year of review? Is there some margin pressure going through that evolution to simplification before we see improvement? Just trying to think about how you philosophically view the path, the timing. Again, is there some initial pain for the eventual reward?

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

No, there is typically, depending on the speed that you exercise with 80/20, there might be pressure on the top line. You can gauge this basically with price increases, which I've done in my last jobs successfully. We would basically see that we have a steady improvement of profitability going forward because of 80/20, and we will communicate back to the market what we're doing, how many SKUs we reduce. As you know, 80/20 has two elements. We have the product line simplification, and we also have the customer profit iteration. Where you basically look at your A customers and your B customers, this will automatically drive customer and dealer consolidation, which is something that we want because we want to have strong and good dealers. That's the other element of it.

I think it's going to be a long year journey, but you're going to see the first results for sure in 2019 of that.

David Raso
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Ross Gilardi of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Ross Gilardi
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Good afternoon, everybody. Hubertus, I just want to understand your comments just as it pertains to portfolio. Is it fair to say that 2019 is really going to be a strategic review year and that if there eventually are any portfolio moves that are coming on the back of that's not happening until very late 2019, 2020 at the earliest? That's what it sounds like if we piece together all of your comments up front.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

What I said in the course of 2019, I don't want to be nailed down now whether it is Q1, Q2, Q3, or Q4. In the course of 2019, we will share with our investors our corporate strategy and our business unit strategies. We'll basically give our targets, and we will answer those questions then. Then we also talk about the implementation of when the one or the other action might or might not occur.

Ross Gilardi
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Maybe you could just talk a little bit more about your initial feel on investment. You mentioned that you've been very impressed with the asset quality overall, but particularly in trucks. From the outside, Iveco's got the obvious strength in LNG, but it doesn't seem like there's been much of an investment in electrification. Do you feel like that's a weakness, and do you feel like Iveco needs to invest in the business via higher R&D and higher CapEx to really be competitive over the long term and get the margins up before considering really what to do with it longer term?

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. Well, first of all, Iveco has invested into electrification, and if you look at our buses, we are the leader in electrification in buses. If you look at our Daily, we have an electrified product since two years on the market, and we're coming with a refresh of that very soon. Electrification in the high-duty trucks doesn't really make sense at this point in time. They are talking about fuel cell technology, and I think we've been the only one that was showing a working prototype of that already at the IAA show a couple of weeks ago. I think in terms of drivetrain, we are really where competition is, and taking gas, we are ahead of it. When it comes to automation and automated driving, obviously, these are big investments that have to be taken. I agree.

Also on the connectivity front, this is exactly why I said we want to do a strategic review next year for all our business segments and really understand what is the full potential that the business could have and what is the investment needed. Before this analysis is not done, I do not want to make any confirmatory comments here. Just to say, I think Iveco is competitive where it is right now. Iveco has patches of weakness where we're bleeding, and those are addressed right now. I think the margin improvement that you see is the addressment of those weaknesses where we stop the bleeding. That strategy seems to work very well.

Ross Gilardi
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Thank you. Just lastly, on Ag, with respect to the deceleration you saw in Q3, you basically went from 18% organic to 8%, which is still healthy, and you highlighted the strength in the order book in the U.S., how much of that deceleration actually came from Argentina and Turkey that you mentioned before. Can you quantify the importance of those two countries to overall Ag? I thought the Turkey exposure was really more in your TürkTraktör JV, if I'm not mistaken.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Well, it's not only there, it's Turkey, it's Argentina, it was Canada, and it was also Australia. Max can provide the details.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. In general, for the ag business, revenues were up 15% in NAFTA. We're single digit up in EMEA. We're basically flat in LATAM, and we're down double digit in APAC. That performance is a result of a healthy development in NAFTA, which is more or less in line with what we have seen before, because we believe row crop is a replacement now, solidly at replacement, although the sentiment, as we know, is softening a bit. While we continue to destock in our network in hay and forage because that particular vertical is at the low point in its cycle. In the non-NAFTA markets, we have seen pockets of weakness, as I said before. We have definitely a large portion of our ag business is outside of NAFTA, so that has an implication to the segment figure as a whole.

Ross Gilardi
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Thank you.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Steven Fisher of UBS. Please go ahead.

Steven Fisher
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the farmer sentiment here in NAFTA. Mentioned it a number of times, really just trying to understand how you're measuring it. Are you looking at just the various barometers that are out there that are published? Is it conversational? Just to make sure it's not transactional, because I really want to understand what you're seeing in terms of used inventories in your dealer channel, because we've heard some anecdotal evidence that there has been a little bit of a buildup over the course of the growing season as grain prices soften. If you could just talk a little bit more about that sentiment and how you see that translating into transactional activity.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. One is, of course, we look at transactional. Second one is we talk to our customers. Having been on the road now for the last weeks, I talked a lot with our dealers, specifically in the Northern American region. What they're seeing, as I said, the sentiment is going down, but they're still positive, and the order book is up. This is the fact, and this is kind of what is reflected by them. We don't see, by the way, big inventory piling. We do have inventory overhang on the hay and forage side, that was known. But on the other side, we don't see big inventory overhangs that are a concern to us right now. Max?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

No. Just to follow up on your answer. I would say on the used, we also see relative good stability on pricing. I would just caution you to take too much of importance from anecdotal evidence that may be collected with individual transactions. Net-net, we see a stable environment. Yes, the sentiment has softened because we don't see that excitement in the order book that we saw at the beginning of the year, but the order book is still running positively. We think that the farmers are looking into the productivity improvements that they can achieve by switching to more technologically advanced equipment, as well as recapturing that warranty coverage, which is tremendous importance in terms of minimizing the downtime risk and cost.

Steven Fisher
Analyst, UBS

Okay. I'm not sure if I missed this, but did you say how much visibility you actually have from your order book out into 2019 on ag at this point? A similar question on construction. I'm not sure if you said what the order book growth was in construction. I think it was up 15% last quarter. Just curious what the number is this quarter.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

Yes. Let me start with the second part of the question. The order book in construction is basically flat but is actually up in heavy, almost double digit, on the back of a strong recovery on the verticals that are served with the heavy machinery. In general terms, our order book goes out, let me say three up to six months. Right now, the focus is all on finishing up the year. Obviously if there are customers that desire to basically sign up orders for next year, obviously we are more than happy to do it.

Steven Fisher
Analyst, UBS

Sorry, on the ag side?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

In terms of ag, it's very similar, I would say, three months up to six, with certain exceptions that go out maybe nine to 12, but very limited units in that particular respect. I would say that again, we are showing an order book which is up 10% year-over-year in the core business, in the row crop core business in NAFTA.

Steven Fisher
Analyst, UBS

Just then, the implied decline in light construction equipment then, is that sort of NAFTA residential tied, or what's the implication there?

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

I think it's more of a regional mix. A portion of that compact equipment goes into ag, and is primarily ag mix farming and livestock. We are basically suffering, let me say, the same pain of the hay and forage that we talked about in ag. We see a little bit of that softening coming to fruition, and that is obviously negative to the mix for us in total on the compact side. The other verticals in the compact equipment are moving along in line with the market.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. I think what we typically don't do, we don't talk enough about new product introductions. Specifically on that light side, we have a couple of very interesting introductions in 2019 and beyond that's going to help us to recover some of the market share that we have lost. Likewise, by the way, on the commercial vehicle side, our product introduction pipeline is actually quite full. From that regard, we're looking positively, from an innovation point of view into 2019.

Steven Fisher
Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today comes from Courtney Yakavonis of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Courtney Yakavonis
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks, guys, for squeezing me in. Just wanted to go back on Joe's question just on some of the tariff impacts, and David's question on just some of the things that are weighing down the fourth quarter margin. I was just a little bit confused on some of the comments. I think you had said that on the annualized impact, it was $50 million-$100 million of tariff headwinds. Is that including raw materials or was that just the Section 301 tariffs? If you can just kind of disaggregate that a little bit. Just pairing that with the comments, because I thought you said that for the fourth quarter, it wasn't going to be very material. I'm not sure if that was just because pricing is offsetting it. Thanks.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

For the fourth quarter, we don't expect an impact bigger than probably $10 million-$20 million maximum, more towards the low end. For the full year, as I said before, I gave a, let me say, a relatively large range because I have to be cautious with how the EMEA situation is going to evolve into 2019. I would say that $50 million is associated with the NAFTA tariffs, which is the Section 301, primarily. The second portion, the upper end of the range depends how the legislation will develop in Europe after February. How the quota usage will be calculated and applied to the individual participants in the market by the EU. I hope that is clear.

Courtney Yakavonis
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Yes. Thanks. That's a lot more clear. It doesn't include then, the steel inflation, indirectly related to the 232 tariff. If maybe you could just quantify how big of a headwind that was relative to pricing.

Massimiliano Chiara
CFO, CNH Industrial

We have been on that headwind for some time now. We've been offsetting that headwind with efficiencies in terms of our industrial base, both manufacturing as well as product. We expect another leg of headwind into next year, which we expect also to price for. Basically net-net, we expect to be able to offset both the tariff and the raw material into 2019 with our pricing actions that we have planned. Some of those are already in action, obviously on the model year 2019 in ag, for example, into Q4 of this year.

Courtney Yakavonis
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. Thanks. Then just lastly, Hubertus, you'd mentioned that your plans to put precision ag front and center for the ag segment. Can you just talk a little bit about where your penetration for some of the precision ag features are right now? Is that part of the reason why you guys are seeing such favorable net pricing in ag right now? Just talk a little bit about that.

Hubertus Mühlhäuser
CEO, CNH Industrial

Yeah. I think, as you know the company has stepped up investment significantly in the last two years, we're now seeing new product coming to the market, which provides the precision ag and also the connectivity that we basically need. We've also announced the partnership with Farmers Edge. Different to some of our competitors, we have an open platform, we work with the best in the industry. Farmers Edge is going to be exclusive to our customers. It's going to be sold through our dealers. Farmers Edge provides a complete new service features in the agronomy side. That's going to lift precision ag to the next level. Our objective is really to become the leader in that sphere. We are the leader, I would say, on the technology side, if you take the iron.

If we take the connectivity, the digital revolution with it, our objective is really to become the leader in that space. Farmers Edge is just one more puzzle stone, one more mosaic stone, to basically paint that picture.

Courtney Yakavonis
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. That will conclude the question and answer session.