Good morning and afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to today's CNH Industrial 2018 First Quarter Results Conference Call. For your information, Today's conference is being recorded. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Federico Donati, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, Alyson. Good morning, and afternoon, everyone. We would like to welcome you to the CNH Industrial First Quarter 2018 Results Webcast Conference Call. CNH Industrial Group CEO, Rich Taubbin and Max Chiara Group CFO will opt to day call. They will use the material you should have downloaded from CNH Industrial Group website.
After their presentation, we will be holding the Q And A session. Before moving ahead, let me remind you that on January 1, 2018, the company adopted on a retrospective basis, our dated FASB accounting standards for revenue recognition, retirement benefits accounting and cash flow presentation. 2017 figures included in this presentation have been recast to reflect the adoption of such updated accounting standards. Furthermore, effective January 1, 2018, the Chief Operating Decision Maker began to assess segment performance and make decision about the reserves allocation based upon adjusted EBIT and adjusted EBITDA. These new non GAAP measures replace our previous operating profit non GAAP metric in our earnings release this year.
As a final remark, please note that any forward looking statements we might be making during today's call are subject to the risk and uncertainties mentioned in the Safe Harbor statement included in the presentation material. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Ristomin.
Thank you, Federico. Good afternoon. Good morning. I'm pleased to report a solid quarter in terms of year over year improvement. In each of our businesses on the back of sustained market demand recovery and positive price realization, driving our industrial activities net sales to continue net income of $204,000,000 in the quarter and a corresponding adjusted diluted EPS of $0.14.
In this quarter, we repaid remaining outstanding CNH Industrial Finance Europe note at 6.25 for approximately $1,000,000,000 out of our available cash, In addition, we have continued to execute on our stock buyback program, adding 6,800,000 of our common shares. For a total consideration of $90,000,000 repurchase under the existing program, which today, as you saw from the press release, has been increased to 700,000,000. We increased our 2018 financial guidance to the upper end of the range with net sales of industrial activities at approximately $28,000,000,000 now reflecting current foreign exchange rates and an adjusted diluted EPS of $0.65 to $0.67 while net industrial debt remains unchanged at between $800,000,000 $1,000,000,000. We had another strong quarter in demand in terms of awards and product related accomplishments at the A. E.
50 awards case IH was honored for 4 of the company's latest innovations. These include in the Trident 5550 combination applicator, the Steiger Series tractor with new CVX drive continuously variable transmission, early riser planter, with an in cab split roll list system. And additionally, FPT became part of the speed history books with this quarter with Fabio Boutsi set the fastest water speed record on Lake Como in Italy utilizing an FPT designs and engineered engine. In terms of world class manufacturing, our Soracaba Brazil plant received a silver metal and our Home Germany plant received a bronze. I'll hand it over to Max for the financial overview, and then I'll come back with the segmental detail.
Max?
Thank you, Rich, and good morning, afternoon, everyone. As a precautionary statement, starting with Q1 2018, and in conjunction with the recast associated with the transition to the new accounting standard, we have moved to a new set of financials KPI as Federico introduced to you at the beginning of this call, adjusted EBIT and adjusted EBITDA. In particular, I'd like to underline that we believe that the adjusted EBITDA is a key metric for investors and will help provide additional granularity on the cash flow potential of our operating segments and better demonstrate their value within of by business. Moving now to the key figures of our first quarter. In summary, we closed Q1 on the back of a generally positive end market demand in our main businesses, coupled with higher production year over year and positive price realization.
Driving a performance in net sale of our industrial operations of up 19% year on year at $6,300,000,000. With that top line performance, we were able to deliver an 85% increase in our adjusted EBIT, with all business improving year on year. As a result of increased production aiming at a balanced inventory rebuild in preparation of the spring selling season, as well as maintaining a strict approach on and in the effective tax rate allowed us to report an increase in our adjusted net income of almost $150,000,000 year over year or 2 70 percent. Specifically adjusted EBITDA of industrial activities closed at $261,000,000, with margin up 1.4 percentage point to 4.1%. Adjusted EBITDA of industrial activities was $547,000,000, up almost 40% from last year, with a margin of 8.7%.
Adjusted net income was up 2 70% versus last year, Q1 and adjusted diluted EPS increased to $0.14 or up $0.10 per share from last year. Net industrial debt was $1,900,000,000 at March 31, 2018, 1000000000 higher than 2017 year end as a result of normal seasonality in our working capital in the first quarter of 2018. The ratio of net industrial debt to adjusted EBITDA on a 12 month trailing base was at 0.8 times, and industrial gross debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was 2.4 times. We remain fully committed at improving our credit rating further up into the investment grade grade. Available liquidity was $7,600,000,000, down 1.7 $1,000,000,000 compared to December 31, 2017, impacted by the repayment at its maturity of the remaining outstanding 6.25 notes of approximately $1,000,000,000 issued by CNH Industrial Finance Europe.
Finally, liquidity to a last 12 month revenue ratio was maintained just below 30%. Turning on to Slide 7, I would like to talk in greater details about the total change in industrial activities net sales at constant currency by each of our business. In total for the quarter, net sales were up $1,000,000,000. Net of the $450,000,000 positive currency translation impact Net sales increased $560,000,000 or almost 11 percent, with agricultural equipment contributing $243,000,000 and was up 11% as a result of higher sales volume and positive net price realization. Construction equipment net sales increased $158,000,000 or 32 percent as a result of a solid rebound in the worldwide industry demand a strong production performance, up 30% and market share gains across most of our regions.
For commercial vehicles, net sales increased $100,000,000 or about 5%, primarily as a result of higher industry volume in the light commercial vehicle market in Europe. Powertrain was up $52,000,000 as a result of higher sales volume in powertrain applications. On a total industrial base by region, net sales were up with a strong performance in EMEA and APAC. On Slide 8, now with a quarterly Industrial activities, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBIT walk. Adjusted EBITDA closed at $547,000,000 with a margin of 8.7% was up 1.3 percentage point compared to the first quarter of 2017.
Looking at the adjusted EBIT walk, all segments contributed positively with the adjusted EBIT ending up 85 percent year over year to $261,000,000 with a margin of 4.1%. All of our operating slide, adjusted net income increased by $150,000,000 to $149,000,000, 80 percent of the improvement comes from the industrial activities adjusted EBIT which was up $120,000,000. Financial Services contributed with an increase in adjusted EBIT for $17,000,000 Additionally, interest expenses was lower due to the refinance transactions and high yield debt retirement in previous periods. Finally, the adjusted effective tax rate of 26 percent improved as a result of a favorable geographic mix of earnings and the lower U. S.
Tax rate as a result of the U. S. Tax enactment at the end of 2017. For the full year 2018, we are now updating our expectations of an adjusted ETR of approximately 30%. Moving on to Slide 10, our change in net industrial debt.
Net industrial debt of $1,900,000,000 at the end of March increased by $1,000,000,000 versus December. As a result of our normal seasonality in working capital in the first quarter, where we normally increase inventory level in preparation of the spring selling season. As you can see from the chart, we have introduced a new non GAAP measure, the operating cash flow figure to provide additional visibility on the cash generation absorption from the operations in any given period. Moving on to Slide 11, our Financial Services business. Net income was up $16,000,000 compared to the first quarter last year, primarily due to a better performance in EMEA and LatAm, including favorable FX translation impact and due to the lower U.
S. Tax rate. For the quarter, retail loan originations were $2,200,000,000 up slightly compared to last year. The managed portfolio of $26,500,000,000 as of the end of March was up $500,000,000 at constant currency. Also credit quality remains strong with delinquencies, tracking historical trends on average at 3.6% of the total portfolio, with NAFTA solidly below 1%.
With that, I'll conclude my part of the presentation and pass it back to Rich for the business overview section.
Okay, Max. Let's go to slide 13. This gives you an overview of the industry trends we faced for each of our segments during the quarter. I'd like to highlight a few figures before moving into the individual segment performance. NAFTA row crop is all in all trending positive for the first time in some years with a strong performance in used equipment pricing, driving a solid support for pricing of new equipment.
If you look at the LatAm ag figures, this headwind is driven by harder comps when compared to strong Q1 2017 as we had forecasted at the end of January. Fee is forecast is up in all regions, but we've particularly good performances in the quarter in NAFTA and LatAm, which is still off a low base. And in CV, the European market was positive up 9% year over year with another strong performance in light equipment, not light equipment and light commercial vehicles across the board in Europe, particularly France and Italy. Let's move on to the segments. Agricultural net sales increased 15% in the quarter compared to 2017 as a result of higher sales volumes and positive net price realization.
Adjusted EBITDA was 2 $65,000,000 in the quarter, with adjusted EBITDA margin increasing 1.6 percentage points to 10.3%. Adjusted EBIT was $186,000,000 in the first quarter and adjusted EBIT margin increasing 2.1 percentage points to 7.2. This increase was due to favorable volume, better mix and higher production levels with NAFTA row crop production matching retail demand as a result of an cover raw material cost increases and higher overhead costs. The company continues to invest in its product development program for decision farming and compliance of stage 5 emissions requirements, resulting in an increase in R&D spending of 14% versus Q1 of 2017. In Construction Equipment, net sales increased 36% in the quarter, as a result of solid rebound in worldwide demand and market share gains across most regions.
Adjusted EBITDA was 16,000,000 the margin of 2.3 percent, up from a $15,000,000 loss in the comparable period. Adjusted EBITDA was breakeven from a loss of $31,000,000 in 2017. Results were favorably impacted by higher sales volumes due to improved end user demand as well as a 30% increase in production. Pricing conditions remain favorable more than offsetting favorable foreign exchange impact and raw material cost increases. Our order book stands at up 20% at the end of Q1.
Commercial Vehicles net sales increased 5% on a constant currency basis, primarily as a result of higher industry volumes, In the light commercial vehicle, market in Europe, net sales increased in APAC and were flat in Latin America. Adjusted EBITDA was $206,000,000 with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.6 percentage points, increased 1.6 percentage points to 8.3% during the quarter. Adjusted EBIT was $49,000,000, up $32,000,000 from last year. Adjusted EBIT margin increased 1.2 percentage points to 2%. The increase was mainly due to favorable trend in end user demand in light commercial vehicles improved pricing as forecast and manufacturing efficiencies, partially offset by increased spending in new product development initiatives.
The market share for trucks in Europe was slightly down in light and down 1.1% in heavy as expected as a result of new pricing initiatives and model mix changes, maximizing positive price realization to improve profitability in the heavy duty truck sub segment. Order intake for trucks in Europe was 9% higher as compared to last year during deliveries were up 6% and book to bill was 1.3% in line with historical seasonality. Moving on to powertrain, powertrains net sales increased 19% as a result of higher sales volume and engine applications, sales to external customers accounted for 48 percent of total net sales in the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $154,000,000 compared to the first quarter of 2017 with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 10.9%. Adjusted EBIT was $95,000,000 for the first quarter, a $21,000,000 increase compared to the first quarter of 2017, at a margin of 8%, up 0.6 percentage points.
Moving on to slide 19, terms of industry outlook for the full year, taking into account the recent performance, we have slightly modified industry industry estimates for most segments, and most regions with the exceptions of LatAm construction equipment. I won't go through all the changes here, but generally speaking NAFTA ag is a better in the high horsepower tractor on the back of restored balanced position on used equipment. And in construction equipment, we've increased our industry outlook across the board. And the same for trucks. Although, please note that the regions like LatAm, those are still coming off of relatively low basis driving the margin increase.
Or the percentage increase. And then moving on to the final slide, as a result of the stronger than anticipated results in the first quarter, and the positive developments in end user demand, CNH Industrial is increasing its net sales and adjusted diluted EPS guidance for the full year 2018 to the upper end of the range as follows: net sales of industrial activities of approximately $28,000,000,000 adjusted diluted EPS of $0.65 to $0.67 and net industrial debt unchanged at $800,000,000 to $1,000,000,000. On a personal note, I have a final note, I'd like to thank Chairman Sergio Marcione and the CNH Industrial Board of Directors. For the faith they have entrusted to me as CEO of the company, I'd also like to thank my colleagues at SandH. I am humbled to have served with you all.
I'm also confident that Derek Nielsen's abilities as my interim successor. And I'm quite confident that he's going to be able to deliver the full year results as we've reforecasted. So with that, let's open up for questions.
Thank you, Mr. Tobin. Now we are ready to start the Q and A session. Please take the first question.
Ladies and gentlemen, today's question and answer session will be conducted electronically. We'll take our first question from Mike Schulinski from Seaport Global. Please go ahead, sir.
Good morning, guys. I had a question on ag in LatAm. It's been said that many farmers are holding off until midyear, hoping for a little bit better interest rates when the phenomena might reset So I'm kind of wondering if LATAM ag will be tough in Q2 if folks might just be buying almost nothing for the time being until the back half? And are you producing a lot during Q2, or are you still waiting to see some of these policies about soybean tariffs and how the U. S.
Crop might turn out? Before making any big, big changes in your build in a LatAm?
Okay, Mike. Yeah. Look, I think that what we had forecast at the beginning of the year, we said the first half was were going to be down significantly. So if you remember, in 2017, H1 was very strong and it tailed off quite a bit in the second and our estimates were that it was going to be inverted because of exactly what you referred to of this issue, of the resetting of the tsunami rates which haven't occurred yet. We have laid in the industrial inventory at the factory level.
But we've slowed down quite a bit in terms of production performance and assembly operations. Our forecast for LatAm Ag are to be flat year over year because we think that the dynamics in terms of the demand on LatAm American crop, at least Brazil, Argentina is having a little bit of a drought issue, are going to be good in the second half, but it's going to be driven by a change in financing rates I would expect Q2 to be a bad comp to Q2 last year, but the second half, right now, we think everything's lined up that it should be better in the second half of twenty eighteen.
Okay, great. And then perhaps more broadly speaking, your price realization was looking pretty good in most of the areas during the quarter. So that was very good to hear. Prices have still kind of gone up for a lot of different metals out there. Can you comment on whether you think you'll still be seeing positive price realization in the rest of the year the full 2018 as a whole?
Is back end loaded because of the way that we buy raw materials. So we're trying to get out in front right now with the pricing. Right now, our estimates take into account that we're going to have raw material headwinds in the second half of the year. So some of that price realization at the EBIT level will get squeezed a little bit. But we don't see it being so problematic that we're going to have to do additional surcharges on top of the pricing that we have in the market.
But we'll see. I mean, it's a little bit of a moving target right now.
Okay. One last one for me real quickly. Does the is the guidance that you that you have now, is that including a buyback that you've already just done here, or do you exclude any kind of buyback, even though you kind of said you do plan to buy it back by end of October?
Excludes.
Excludes. Okay. Thanks. Rich, best of luck to you. Thanks so much.
Thanks, Mike.
The next question comes from Steven Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead, sir.
Just wondering on the construction equipment business based on what you've seen so far. You've had obviously year over year and in the profitability. Do you think you're on track to hit mid single digit margin guidance this year? Given the growth of the market and your backlog?
Yes.
That'll be the lower bias to the lower at mid single digits, but our expectation for the year is for it to sequentially improve profitability as we go through the year in construction equipment.
Okay. That's helpful. And then your ag outlook in Europe was a bit mixed. What's your overall sense of of farmer confidence there overall. Is it getting better?
Is it getting worse? So we still just kind of puts and takes and it's just generally steady. What do you think about European ag?
Steady. I mean, without getting into because it's in our nomenclature that includes Africa, the Middle East, so it's a little bit of a wider number than general Europe, but overall steady. So there's some puts and takes between the individual countries, but overall what our forecast was at the beginning of the year continues to hold.
Okay. And then maybe just last quickly, you mentioned Latin America construction looks like that your forecast is just softened a little bit there for the industry. Can you just talk about what you're seeing there?
It's up. And it's up in percentage points. That looks a little bit heavy, but it's down 70% to 80% from peak. So, it's flexing positive, but these are still very small numbers.
Was there any reason why you softened it from last quarter?
Probably because of Argentina, less Brazil and probably some Argentina.
Okay. Wishes. Thanks a lot.
Thanks.
We'll now take our next question from Martino Dan Brogi from Equita. Please go ahead, sir.
Good afternoon. Good morning, everybody. The first question is on some of the comments you made over the past few months concerning spin off of some assets. It's just European or it's something that is shared inside the company knowing there is an experience in this sense, just to understand I couldn't understand it not a question to ask you right now. You are leaving, but, do you believe that your successor will pursue it or something that was just your idea?
I think I'm going to leave that up to the Board of Directors and my successor. I mean, what I mentioned about assets within the portfolio was in the relation to a question. I think what's important to remember is that I said that it was not a 2018 event. So I think you can leave that question for next quarter.
Okay. And the second is follow-up on the pricing, in Diage, you had, plus 2.5% including a negative ForEx effect. So just to understand, is it pure price or is some automatic adjustment or non automatic adjustment for raw materials recovery of the cost increase just to, if you can elaborate a bit more on, the sustainability of this level.
Look, I mean, what we what we had What we had carved out of the revenue line was that piece of the increase that was related to price. So it is what it is, right? In terms of price as it affects the revenue, breaking that down and how it flows through the P and L versus raw mats and inflation is I don't think we're going to go there right now. So I think the good news is, is that we've had the we've demonstrated the ability to pass price in Q1 in all four segments. And that's positive because we were trying to get ahead of the curve.
In terms of what we saw coming in terms of raw mat increases in the second half of the year. So to the extent that we've got it out there, we've been successful so far that is pushes back against the headwind of what we've got coming in raw mats in the second half of the year.
Okay. Thank you. Very last on tractors industry units in EMEA. In your January projection, you expected plus 5% and now it's minus 5 flat. What is justifying such a big change in a few months?
Yes, I think that we discuss that at the end of Q1 because of this big mess that we had with registered units because of the adoption of what was a Tractor Mother, TMR, Tractor Mother Regulation. Our retail forecast for the year are absolutely flat to what we had forecast. At the end of January.
We'll now take our next question from Joe O'Dea from Vertical Research. Please go ahead, sir.
First question, just on North America, high horsepower, farmer customer sentiment. I think what we've seen in the headlines in terms of tariff risk and trade protection risk and some things. And then also maybe planting some speculation that it's weighing on farmer sentiment and what we should be thinking. It certainly doesn't seem to be weighing on your outlook for the end markets, but would be helpful just in terms of if you could frame some of the cadence over the course of the quarter and your reads on those farmers and mood and kind of February, March, April as we've seen some of these headlines develop?
The lack of clarity has not been helpful, right? Because like anything else, everybody wants some amount of surety about what the tariffs are going to be and how they're going to impact export growth and everything else. So I think it does weigh a bit, but having said that in terms of planted acreage and what we can see that the activity levels are quite good overall. And the most positive aspect of that is the equipment is needed to do that amount of planting. And because of this inventory overhang and the reduction of late model used in the system, we're able to deliver more new product in.
So this period of under production versus retail has largely unwound across the segment. We'll see at the end of the day how this all turns out and whether sentiment becomes further negative in the second half or not. I'm look, I right now what we can see from our order books, both from a retail perspective, and a wholesale perspective, they look up right now. So we'll have to update it quarter by quarter.
And just how far to those orders generally extend? I mean, at this point, I would expect that you, when we're talking high horsepower tractors and combines, I mean, it's pretty fully booked for the year or at least
closer to that? No, I mean, you've got 6 months in high horsepower. Just as a general statement. It's a little bit of a mixed bag across the wider portfolio, but for combines and large tractors, it's 6 months.
That's helpful. And then on also North America, but on the construction side of things, been seeing some strong growth here. It appears that it's related to a number of things picking up across infrastructure and resi and oil. But could you frame just how you think about that market from a cycle perspective? I mean, how strong is 2018 relative to prior peak what is your confidence level that there's still runway beyond this year on recovery?
There's a variety of different tailwinds there. I mean, GDP, just being the macro 1, these are North American comments, obviously. GDP being 1, I think that oil and gas prices, and what's going on in the mining sector helps us not because we supply into those spaces, but it takes pressure off the resi construction equipment, where is our bread and butter to a certain extent So overall, you've got kind of just a general GDP, which is more a play with with kind of contractor sales and municipality sales is where we where we sell most of our equipment. But because of the fact that oil pricing has continued to climb and oil patch delivery has gone up and you're seeing the beginning of some amount of infrastructure spending, the market participants that concentrate on that area now are returning to that area and it's taking some pressure off kind of mid tier or mid segment construction equipment, which is proactive for us.
Got it. And then also just extending our best wishes as well. We appreciate your leadership and your transparency with us over the years here and best wishes moving Thanks, Yale.
We'll now take our next question from Ross Gilardi from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Yes, good morning. Thanks guys. And let me add my best wishes too, Rich. We've been a pleasure working with you, while you've been leading CNH. My question is a little bit technical.
I guess, I'm wondering about any impact on credit metrics from the recast, will the rating agencies calculate your leverage metrics any differently, and any potential implications there for whatever portfolio information you might or might not embark on? And any feedback from Moody's on what's actually holding back their enthusiasm for your credit relative to to S and P and Fitch?
The first question is, is that the feedback that we received that it does not impact it. Remember, in addition to the recast, we also announced a week or so ago, a favorable ruling on our balance sheet liabilities, which actually improves the metric on the industrial co. So even with the movement because of the change of accounting standards, we've got a tailwind because of a pretty significant reduction of our liabilities because of that ruling. So, things continued to trend positive. I can't speak for the rating agencies.
My feeling is that they were waiting for us to issue our 20 F which we did some time ago. I'm sure they're working their way through it and hopefully we'll hear from them shortly.
Got it. Thank you. And, there's another thing in your recast outlook, you guys are adding back $328,000,000 of D and A attributable to operating leases, to your commercial vehicle business. And it certainly obviously makes the EBITDA of commercial vehicles look substantially higher than it would if you just added back $212,000,000 of ordinary D and A. So Sorry, it's a little bit of technical accounting question, but it definitely matters for valuations.
Is that $328,000,000 actually hitting your commercial vehicle EBIT as you reported. And just in the hypothetical event you were selling the business, do you think that's how a buyer would look at evaluate the EBITDA of the truck business.
Okay. Ross, that's a you're right. That is a very technical question. I think I can have the guys take you through that piece by piece. I can only tell you that the way that we've presented it we've benchmarked industry standards.
So I don't think that we're doing anything that's not used in commercial vehicles. But I think rather than deal with this piece by piece in the call, you can call up our guys offline and we'll take you through the technical accounting aspects of it.
Okay, got it. The only last thing I wanted to ask was why the, the $35,000,000 increase in corporate expense in your industrial EBIT, this quarter. Is that like some type of adjustment and should we expect that type of increase going forward for the next several quarters?
I think the majority of it's foreign exchange.
Okay. Got it. Thank you.
We'll now take our next question from David Raso from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Congrats, Rich and congrats to Derek as well. We'll take it over. The sales guide, basically from the midpoint to the new number, it's roughly $500,000,000 Can you just help us with how much of that was currency now that you're using $123,000,000 to the euro not $115,000,000. How much then is offset by the drag on the accounting change.
So we get a feel for what the core operational revenue change was?
Yes, I think again, because of this recast and the negative impact on revenue because of it, I think that there's some moving parts in there. I will tell you that a significant portion of it is FX related. We said at the end of Q1, we'd have a better idea where eurodollar was at the time. That we are running at 115. We're at 121,122 today.
So a big portion of that is, but again, David, prefer. If you take that one offline, then Max can take you through the negative portion of making the accounting change and now because we had to recast the revenue line because of the accounting change and what element of that is FX.
Yes. Reason I'm thinking, you said last time, if we were using $125,000,000, we'd add about $1,000,000,000. Right? And we went to $123,000,000. So let's call it $800,000,000 help.
The drag from the accounting seems to be about roughly $300,000,000 So it seems like the $500,000,000 increase in revenue was sort of nothing operational, right? It was just currency up, accounting dragged down. But then you did bump up least enough of your end market outlook. So just curious, there was no corresponding bump up in your own core revenues despite the industry I'm just curious.
Well, I
mean, at the end of the day, it's at the top end of the range. So $500,000,000 is FX related out of the $1,000,000,000 and the rest the 1,000,000,000 or the other 500,000,000 is volume related, right. And we're rounding the both of us here at the end of the day, but that's you're not that far.
I mean, I can I don't go
back to the math, but in fact, it doesn't seem that there was any core growth in your revenue? You raised your revenue $500,000,000 currency probably went up 7800 counting took it back down net to like an up 500, right? So the revenue guidance change did not seem to have any core equipment units driven revenue and change. And I was just curious, is there any change in your production forecast because again, your industry outlooks did get bumped up a bit, but there was no corresponding increase in your core revenue it appears.
As you
know I'm just making sure
I understand why is it a little apprehension about production versus retail or
No, I follow you, but at the end of the day, It's at the end of Q1 and making it we're not changing our production yet. We'd rather take that in a reduction of working capital at the end of the year, but those are decisions that we're going to make in Q3 and Q4.
Yes. Well, that's I mean, the order book comments were in I'm just trying to make sure we level set the year outlook in a way for the industry. I know you're not the industry and your production is not retail, but in a way, the year to date numbers for the industry are running a little bit below your guidance for the forecast, I should say. And the comps do get a little harder as the year goes on, at least the industry data. So I'm just making sure is the order book and maybe if you can make simple and quantify for me.
How much is your order book up in North America high horsepower ag? This was interesting that you bumped up the above 140 horsepower industry outlook. Your order book must be up reasonably healthy. If you can help us with that, that would be great. Even the combines, you still have it up 10 for the industry for the year, but year to date, it's down 2.
So any help on the order books would be great.
Let me, I'm going to have to get them. I don't have front of me for the NAFTA order books. Okay. Yeah. I mean, they're slightly up from what our forecast was, David, but not enough to really triangulate changing the revenue number, nor making a change to what we had planned in production.
So, I mean, you're just going to have
to Okay.
So there's a little order book.
The way to the end of Q2.
There's a okay. So there's a little order book uptick from what you're originally had. Okay. I just wanted to make sure I understood why the revenue change. I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much and good luck, Rich.
Our next question comes from Rob Wertheimer from Melius Research.
Hi, good morning. And Rich, congratulations on your stewardship through a very volatile successful stewardship through a very volatile period in a couple of industries, right? So Great job. Question on the long term, I mean, you're splitting out the depreciation in preparation or anticipation of potential changes in the structure. Can you give us just an overview of what you think CapEx depreciation might look like over the next 3 to 5 years, do you feel like you've got ample capacity and is that across the segments or is that unique to one?
It's balanced. It's 1 to 1, right, with the swing factor being we can't predict legislative changes into the future, okay, and foreign exchange. But in terms of the next 3 to 5 years, in terms of footprint changes and expansions of our greenfield capacity, You can go back and look where we were in the peaks and we accommodated those kinds of volumes. I don't envision And then that part of the reason Rob that we give that chart out that shows greenfield expansion and then regulatory is because we've made the argument that if the regulatory aspect of this business declines that that piece of the historical spending will go down and what we'd spent on greenfield expansion in the period of, let's say, 2007 to about 2013, We've pretty much built out the industrial footprint. Any CapEx that we have is kind of retooling and not kind of greenfield expansion.
So I think that we're going to have either a 1 to 1 ratio CapEx to depreciation and arguably, we've got some upside where we'd have an improved ratio going forward. Did I lose you?
I'm so sorry, Rich, if I'm still here, I muted just while I was listening If I can ask another one, that's just a little bit bigger picture. As you think about the curve is investment in tech comes into machinery and how fast things accelerate or not. I mean, do you sense that you're on the right path? Do you think that you need to step up R&D or investments in companies or just how do you feel like that's been shaping up over the last year or 2?
Okay. You know what, I did, I ignored one of your questions or I forgot it at the beginning. The reason that we changed to the reporting for EBITDA has nothing to do with change changes in the portfolio. The reason that we changed it was We believe that we're undervalued CNH Industrial from an EV to EBITDA basis. And we were getting a lot of different calculations of what the EBITDA actually was in CNH Industrial.
So we've done this to clarify it now. So everybody can calculate us versus our peers in terms of our valuation EV to EBITDA. And if you look at that on that metric, while we've closed the gap from an EPS point of view or a PE point of view. We have not fully closed the gap in EV to EBITDA and by providing investors that amount of clarity, we hope that we can collapse the balance of that gap. Your other question was wash again, sorry.
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry. You went back. So just on the technology coming into machinery and how you adjust?
It's look, it's the fastest growing segment, of our R and D right now. Our expectation as a percentage of our total R and D in CapEx that it will increase year over year for the foreseeable future. We believe size and scale in some of capacity in horsepower driven, but very much driven through automation and kind of the general precision farming ecosystem. So if you think that we're right, then obviously that we're going to be pushing a lot more of our R and D and CapEx in that direction, net net, I don't think it's going to drive up our R and D spending. I think it's just going to be a reallocation from significant amount of spend that we've done over the past 10 years on power train and capacity.
Perfect. Thanks Rich. Good luck.
Yeah. Thanks.
Our next question comes from Larry De Maria from William Blair. Please go ahead.
Hey, thanks. Good morning and best of luck in your next endeavor, Rich. Rich, in your opening comments, you mentioned you expect the positive conditions to continue for the near future. Just curious, was that a question or comment that we won't have these kind of recovery in growth conditions continuing beyond the near term or is that just more of an offhanded comment or just comment about what to expect right now?
It's more of a we're looking at our order books as they build to the balance of the year. So we don't it's not as if we see a a intra year cliff coming by. So we expect the performance to kind of justify what we've put out there for our full year expectations.
Okay. As some of the markets recovered, do you have more concerns about the growth beyond this year or maybe another way to think about it would be Could you give us maybe an idea of maybe what innings we are in some of the recovery in some of these markets or where we are?
I don't know because Look, I mean, it's a mixed bag, right? We can expect, as we as I mentioned earlier in the call that our is that LatAm demand in the second half of the year should ramp up. That's something that we deal with every year it seems because of the volatility of demand because of the non kind of income drivers that affect that market. We hope that that we hope 2 things. We hope that it that there's some market signaling that leaves us some confidence that we can prepare ourselves.
Because the last thing we want to happen is for demand to go up quickly because there's a lot of friction of costs associated with that. But I think far as 2018 is concerned, we've laid in enough industrial inventory to accommodate it. In that we've got the footprint and the capacity to go all the way back to 2013 kind of volumes. Again, that is going to be driven by commodity prices at the end of the day. So based on forward curves and everything else.
I think that we should be in the position to plan for that.
Okay. Thanks. And I think you said construction orders up 30% that's on a global basis. Is I believe I'm just going to want to correct that if it's that's not correct. And also can you just maybe give the I know you might not have all the regional and everything else order books, but just for commercial vehicles and for ag, what's would the global order book be looking like now?
It's 20 in construction equipment and 10 in commercial vehicles. And Ag, I think on a global basis, is flat. But it's moving region by region.
Understood. Okay. Thanks. And best of luck, Rich. Thanks, Larry.
Our final question comes from Ann Duignan from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
No, thank you for squeezing me in. Appreciate it. Can we start with incremental profits and your guidance. I know as David focused on the revenue side and the lack of an increase beyond the range, On the EPS side, can you talk about your incremental profits this quarter? They were okay, but they weren't great on relatively easy comps.
Have incrementals peaked? And is that why you haven't taken up your outlook for earnings per share by more than you did?
Well, I mean, since this is our last call together, I mean, that they were pretty good at, it's something that they were, that low. I mean, we're now getting into the 20s in ag, which is pretty good, especially for our Q1 period, because that's heavily influenced by production performance. I'll make some general comments. I think that in terms of seasonality, I think that the seasonality that we expect is going to be similar then to our traditional seasonality for earnings. I think in order for us to hit our net industrial debt targets, that we're taking a view right now that we would be building enough production capacity through the 1st 3 quarters of the year to generate significant cash flow in Q4.
But as you know, if we buy then, we're going to have a view of what 2019 setting up to be. So if we believe that demand is going in our favor, that we revisit our production plan. So there's a possibility of additional industrial absorption and growth margin benefit. And then we've got baked in, but It's the end of Q1. I think that we've moved up to the top end of our range.
Generally speaking, I don't think in my tenure here, we've ever moved guidance at the end of Q1. We generally do it at half year because we've got a good idea of where we stand both in inventories and backlog. I'm I'm not in the position to do it, to say anything about Q2 then, but let's wait until traditionally see where we are. We know where order books are and we know where inventory is and we'll have a better idea if there's any upside in terms of production performance or incremental margins.
Okay. So seasonally, Q2 should be better than Q1 then.
History would say that.
Yes. Okay. And then my second question, again, maybe not a fair one for you since this is your last call, but Just, conceptually, you're giving up a market share in commercial vehicles in Europe or pricing and that to be applauded. But that works okay in a rising end market environment. What, where is the balance between what you can afford to give up in share and volume versus pricing?
What level of market share are you willing to give up?
Yes. I don't think that I'm in a position to put a numerical figure or a percent John, right? I think that we had said last year, that we had underachieved in terms of margin performance in commercial vehicles, especially in the heavy truck segment that we were going to use 2017 as a bridge year of what does additional volume do versus being competitive on pricing. We finished the year last year. I think we owned up to the fact that we needed to cut back in our aspirations in terms of volume and move to price.
As you can see in Q1, we're positive price in Q1. That's the first time we've been there in quite some time in commercial vehicles. But it's not a strategy that one could go swing wildly to either side. So we're trying to manage we're trying to manage the market that would best we can but we believe that we've got upside potential in pricing and we're adopting that strategy throughout the year.
Okay. I'll leave it there. I appreciate it. And best wishes, Rich, I'll miss being snippy with you.
I'll miss you too, Ann. All right. Thanks.
Session. I'd now like to turn the call back to Mr. Federico Donati for any additional or closing remarks.
Thank you, Alison. We would like to thank everyone for attending their call with us. Have a good day.
That will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, ladies and gentlemen. You may now disconnect.