Good morning, and welcome to CenterPoint Energy's first quarter 2016 earnings conference call with senior management. During the company's prepared remarks, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. There will be a question and answer session after management's remarks. To ask a question, press *1 on your touch-tone keypad. To withdraw your question, press *2. I will now turn the call over to David Mordy, Director of Investor Relations. Mr. Mordy?
Thank you, Ginger. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Thank you for joining us today. Scott Prochazka, President and CEO, Tracy Bridge, Executive Vice President and President of our Electric division, Joe McGoldrick, Executive Vice President and President of our Gas division, and Bill Rogers, Executive Vice President and CFO, will discuss our first quarter 2016 results and provide highlights on other key areas. We also have with us other members of management who may assist in answering questions following the prepared remarks. In conjunction with the call today, we will be using slides which can be found under the investor section on our website, centerpointenergy.com. For a reconciliation of the earnings guidance provided in today's call, please refer to our earnings press release and our slides, which along with our Form 10-Q, have been posted on our website.
Please note that we may announce material information using SEC filings, press releases, public conference calls, webcasts, and posts to the investor section of our website. In the future, we will continue to use these channels to communicate important information and encourage you to review the information on our website. Today, management is going to discuss certain topics that will contain projections and forward-looking information that are based on management's beliefs, assumptions, and information currently available to management. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks or uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially based upon factors including weather variations, regulatory actions, economic conditions and growth, commodity prices, changes in our service territories, and other risk factors noted in our SEC filings. We will also discuss our guidance for 2016.
The guidance range considers utility operations performance to date and certain significant variables that may impact earnings, such as weather, regulatory and judicial proceedings, throughput, commodity prices, effective tax rates, and financing activities. In providing this guidance, the company does not include other potential impacts, such as changes in accounting standards or unusual items, earnings from the change in the value of ZENS securities and the related stocks, or the timing effects of mark-to-market accounting in the company's energy service business. The guidance range also considers such factors as Enable's most recent public forecast and effective tax rates. The company does not include other potential impacts, such as any changes in accounting standards or Enable Midstream's unusual items. Before Scott begins, I have two reminders. The first is that this call is being recorded. Information on how to access the replay can be found on our website.
The second is that on our investor website, under financial information, you can find our debt maturity slides, which investors often find helpful. With that, I will now turn the call over to Scott.
Thank you, David, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us today, and thank you for your interest in CenterPoint Energy. I will start on slide four. This morning, we reported first quarter 2016 earnings of $154 million, or $0.36 per diluted share, compared with $131 million or $0.30 per diluted share in 2015. Using the same basis that we used when providing guidance, first quarter 2016 adjusted earnings were $138 million or $0.32 per diluted share, compared with net income of $129 million or $0.30 per diluted share in 2015. Increases due to rate relief, customer growth, and midstream investments were partially offset by higher depreciation, O&M expenses, and reductions in usage driven by weather. Turning to slide five. Given our solid start to the year, we are reiterating our 2016 guidance of $1.12-$1.20 per share.
Our focus remains to invest in our current utility service territories to address ongoing needs associated with growth, maintenance, reliability, safety, and customer service. Earnings growth will be driven by multiple factors, including customer and sales growth, capital discipline, timely recovery on and of our investments, as well as continued attention to managing financing and operating costs. We anticipate utility operations to contribute 75%-80% of CenterPoint earnings in 2016. On a guidance basis, utility operations contributed $0.23 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2016, compared to $0.22 per diluted share in 2015. Combined, our gas and electric utilities added nearly 83,000 customers since the first quarter of 2015. Rate relief from various 2015 regulatory filings was a significant contributor to earnings this quarter.
While our service territories experienced milder weather, it had only a slight impact on our earnings in the first quarter of 2016, due in large part to the effectiveness of our regulatory mechanisms, including the benefit of a three-year decoupling pilot in Minnesota. Constructive regulation enables timely capital recovery and helps normalize for specific causes of variability. Joe and Tracy will provide additional regulatory insights later in the call. Midstream investments contributed $0.09 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2016, compared to $0.08 per diluted share in 2015. Slide six includes highlights from Enable's earnings call on May 4th. Enable performed well in the first quarter of 2016 and continues to make balance sheet strength and financial discipline top priorities. We believe they remain well-positioned to navigate today's challenging market conditions.
Our strategic reviews around our ownership of Enable and possible REIT formation are progressing as planned. Our objectives remain to explore options that could help minimize earnings variability and create sustainable value for our long-term shareholders without impacting our ability to serve the needs of CenterPoint's growing service territories. We remain on track to provide an update later this year. Before I close, I would like to thank our electric and gas employees for their response to the severe storms and flooding that have impacted the Houston area recently. Across multiple rain events, we had more than 400,000 power outages. Our teams, including crews from other companies, along with our grid automation technologies, were able to restore power to approximately 90% of the homes within 12 hours. In closing, let me reiterate that we remain committed to our vision to lead the nation in delivering energy, service, and value.
We will continue to invest in our energy delivery systems to better serve our customers. We will continue to seek timely recovery of those investments. We will continue to constructively manage our O&M expenses. Consistent earnings growth at CenterPoint is underpinned by strong utility growth and has helped our stock performance in recent months. We continue to focus on consistent performance and long-term value creation. Tracy will now update you on electric operations.
Thank you, Scott. Houston Electric had a strong quarter in line with our expectations. As you can see on slide eight, core operating income was $59 million compared to $68 million for the same period last year. The business benefited from higher rate relief and customer growth. These benefits were more than offset by higher depreciation as a result of increased rate base, higher O&M expenses, lower right-of-way revenue, and reductions in usage primarily driven by weather. Higher depreciation expense was anticipated and due to both the amount and type of capital invested. The increased O&M expense and lower right-of-way revenue are both largely attributed to timing. We remain on track to hold O&M increases to under 2% for 2016, excluding certain expenses that have revenue offsets, and we continue to anticipate $10 million-$20 million in right-of-way revenue for the year.
Turning to slide nine, Houston added approximately 159,000 new residents and over 15,000 new jobs in 2015. The Greater Houston Partnership has forecasted similar increases in 2016. Our year-over-year residential meter growth was in excess of 2%. We continue to forecast 2% customer growth for 2016, which equates to approximately $25 million-$30 million in incremental base revenue annually. On April 4th, we filed for $36 million in annualized rate relief for distribution capital invested in 2015. Similar to last year's filing, we expect new rates to go into effect in September. Overall, Houston Electric performed well this quarter. We will continue to operate and manage this business with a focus on safety, reliability, efficiency, and growth. Joe will now update you on the results for gas operations.
Thank you, Tracy. Our natural gas operations, which includes both our gas utilities and our non-regulated energy services business, had a strong quarter, both operationally and financially. We experienced significantly milder weather across much of our territory, but weather normalization adjustments, our decoupling pilot in Minnesota, and rate design in Texas have all worked to remove weather sensitivity as a material risk to our natural gas utility revenues. As you'll see on slide 11, operating income for our natural gas utilities in the first quarter was $160 million compared to $146 million for the same period in 2015. Operating income was higher due to significant rate relief and continued customer growth. These increases were partially offset by milder and unhedged weather effects in Texas and higher depreciation and amortization expense.
Customer growth remains strong on our natural gas utilities, having added almost 29,000 customers since the first quarter of 2015. Texas led with nearly 2% customer growth, followed by Minnesota, which added more than 1%. O&M expenses at our natural gas utilities were up less than 3% for the first quarter of 2016 versus the same period last year, excluding certain expenses that have revenue offsets. We remain committed to disciplined O&M expense management. As I mentioned earlier, we are pleased to be in the first year of our three-year full decoupling pilot in Minnesota, which acts as a natural hedge against usage fluctuations, whether it's due to energy conservation or weather. We now have weather normalization adjustments or decoupling in every state we operate in except for Texas, which tends to experience less variability as a result of higher non-volumetric customer charges and less severe winter weather.
On the regulatory front, this is the first year we have filed GRIP mechanisms in all four Texas jurisdictions. On March 31st, we filed for a combined $18 million in annualized Texas GRIP recovery. On March 31st, we filed for $5.5 million in rate relief using the Arkansas decoupling mechanism. Our Minnesota and Arkansas rate cases are progressing, and we anticipate final decisions on both cases in the second and third quarters, respectively. We are already experiencing higher revenues in Minnesota through interim rates and expect new rates in Arkansas to be implemented during the third quarter. On slide 12, you'll see that operating income for our energy services business was $15 million for the first quarter of 2016, compared with $17 million for the same period last year, excluding mark-to-market losses of $9 million and $4 million, respectively.
The remaining $2 million decline was primarily from reduced weather-related optimization opportunities. As you'll notice on slide 13, we closed the Continuum Retail Energy Services acquisition on April 1st of this year. We are consolidating that business with a focus on customer retention, as well as integrating accounting, customer, and risk systems. We believe our energy services business will provide annual operating income, excluding mark-to-market variations, in the $40 million-$50 million range in 2017, the first full year of combined operations. Overall, our natural gas operations performed well this quarter. We will continue to operate effectively and efficiently as we focus on growth, safety, and the reliability of our system. I'll now turn the call over to Bill, who will cover financial performance and forecast.
Thank you, Joe, and good morning to everyone. I will begin on slide 15. First quarter earnings were $0.36 per diluted share versus $0.30 per share for the first quarter of 2015. The guidance basis of $0.32 was less than the GAAP basis of $0.36 due to the reversal out of a net $0.05 gain related to our marketable securities and indexed debt securities, and the reversal out of a $0.01 loss related to our mark-to-market accounting of natural gas in our energy services business segment. Our guidance basis earnings per share increased from $0.30 to $0.32 due to stronger performance in our utility operations segment and our midstream investment. We are pleased with the combined core operating income quarter-over-quarter improvement, which Tracy and Joe discussed. Given these results, as Scott mentioned earlier, we are reiterating our earnings guidance of $1.12-$1.20.
We are reiterating our target of 4%-6% EPS growth annually through 2018. On slide 16, we have provided more detail on our earnings guidance. Our 4%-6% growth target begins with the 2015 EPS on a guidance basis of $1.10 per share. The EPS from utility operation is expected to increase, whereas the EPS for our midstream investment is expected to decline in 2016. We anticipate utility operations to grow from $0.79 to $0.88-$0.92 per share. Expected growth drivers include an increase in operating income from our utilities, a reduction in interest expense, and dividend income from our investment in Enable's preferred securities. On an ongoing basis, we expect the Enable preferred investment to contribute $0.05 per year, with 2016 being a partial year.
As the earnings contribution from utility operations continues to grow, our ability to minimize earnings volatility also improves. On slide 17, we'll provide an overview of our anticipated financing plans, interest expense, and accrual tax rate. In the first quarter, our interest expense was lower on a period-over-period basis due to the repayment of higher interest rate debt in the 2015 year. For the full year 2016, we expect interest expense to be lower compared to 2015 due to refinancing activity. Similar interest expense saving opportunities should be available with the refinancing of debt maturing in 2017 and 2018. In the first quarter, our effective tax rate was 36%, and we anticipate that as our effective tax rate for the year. With respect to financing, internally generated cash flow remains strong.
In the first quarter, our operating cash flow positioned us to fund capital expenditures, pay dividends, and pay down debt. For the full year, our anticipated net incremental borrowing needs are approximately $150 million relative to our year-end debt balance at 2015. This includes approximately $100 million for the recent acquisition of Continuum Retail Energy Services. As stated in our year-end call, we expect to refinance $600 million of Houston Electric debt in 2016. We are not forecasting a need for equity in either 2016 or 2017. I'll close by reminding you of the 25.75% per share dividend declared by our board on April 28th. With that, I will turn the call back over to Dave.
Thank you, Bill. We will now open the call to questions. In the interest of time, I will ask you to limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Ginger?
At this time, we will begin taking questions. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your touchtone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star two. The company requests that when asking a question, callers pick up their telephone handset. Thank you. Our first question is from Jeremy Tonet from J.P. Morgan.
Jeremy, good morning.
Jeremy, go ahead.
Are you there, Jeremy?
If your line is muted, please unmute.
Operator, perhaps we should go on to the next question.
Okay. Our next question is from Ali Agha from SunTrust.
Joe, good morning.
Good morning, Ali.
Morning. Scott, first question. Just to understand your end game plan here with regards to your Enable ownership. Is the end game plan to essentially see two separate entities with the utility businesses separate from the commodity-exposed MLP business, or are you envisioning something where they're all together, but the commodity exposure is less? Just wanted to understand what you ultimately are looking to get here.
Yeah, Ali, I think it's difficult and not appropriate to comment on what I think the outcome here is going to be. We're continuing to look at this. It could take different forms. As you know, we're in the middle of this process, and we will be in a position later in the year to, I think, clarify the questions or give answers to the questions you're asking.
Okay. We should not assume that at the end of the day, there are two separate entities with MLP and-
Yeah
really not necessarily the case.
I don't think you can automatically assume that that's the outcome.
I see. My second question, on the utility REIT structure, what's the kind of the milestone in your mind you're looking at right now? At the end of the day, do you think that is indeed the best structure for Houston Electric to have given CapEx needs, given other factors that you will probably need capital for, given your CapEx plans?
Again, Ali, I think it's a similar answer here. We've been obviously observing what's going on at the PUC here in Texas. We're in the midst of doing this evaluation ourself, and at this point, we're not prepared to comment on it. We'll be in a better position to comment later in the year as we conclude our evaluation.
I apologize, one just accounting question. Bill, if you can clarify. Enable, when they reported a down year year-over-year. When you report numbers in your consolidated numbers, you have Enable up year-over-year. Can you just explain why that's the case?
Yes, Ali. We have higher accretion related to our Enable investment in 2016 relative to 2015.
Can you just tell me what those numbers are?
The accretion related to the Enable investment is a result of the accounting that comes out of the impairment charge that we took at third quarter and again at year-end. The accretion element for our EPS should be $0.07 per share this year relative to $0.01 per share in 2015.
That's for the full year?
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
Our next question is from Michael Lapides from Goldman Sachs.
Hey, guys. Couple of items. One, just looking at the Houston utility, noted that you haven't filed for a transmission rate update. Normally, if I remember correctly, that's once or twice a year. Just curious about when the last one was implemented, what the amount was, and when you expect to file again.
Hold on, Michael. We're trying to get the exact information.
Okay. I can ask my follow-up because this one may be targeted to Bill. Bill, when you look at the debt capital structure over the next two to three years, how much debt do you think you have outstanding throughout the corporation where either due to refinancing or where the NPV of the make-whole payments would make sense, you think you can significantly bring down the interest rate on?
Michael, we have $6 billion of debt outstanding at year-end, less than that after first quarter. We have significant maturities in 2016, 2017, and 2018. Plus, we had some maturities last year aggregating to approximately $1 billion. We do not expect to be a material increase in net borrowings over the next few years. I talked about that in my prepared remarks. Therefore, it's that $1 billion which helps us reduce interest expense as well as not increasing the amount of debt on the balance sheet.
Okay. There's no incremental debt outside of maturities where you think you could pay it down early, refinance at a lower rate, and where the NPV of the make-whole makes sense.
There aren't any economic opportunities at this time to do that.
Got it. Coming back on the transmission question.
Michael, this is Tracy Bridge. Good morning.
Good morning, Tracy.
Starting with the last filing that we made, we filed on October 1st, 2015. Rates were effective November 23rd of 2015, and the amount was $16.8 million. We haven't concluded the specifics of our filing for 2016, but it's very likely we will file in the third quarter, and we don't have a dollar amount to share just yet.
Got it. I appreciate it, Tracy. Thanks, guys, and congrats on a good start to the year.
Thank you.
Thank you, Michael.
Your next question is from Brian Russo from Ladenburg Thalmann.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning, Brian.
Could you just maybe comment on the Minnesota PUC's vote earlier this month on the rate case, and then historically, it's been the one jurisdiction where you've experienced lag, and I'm wondering with this vote, and outcome, are you able to earn your ROE?
I'll ask Joe to answer this.
Brian, good morning. Yes, the Minnesota PUC deliberated on the final order last week, and while we are not in receipt of the final order yet, we expect that early June sometime. They did make some decisions, and especially with regard to the cost of capital. Let me share a few of those with you. They decided on a 9.49% ROE and a 50/50 debt equity capital structure. We were a little disappointed in that 7.7% of that debt capital was at short-term rates. While we're disappointed in that, we do anticipate that the final rate increase amount when we get the final order will be in line with our expectations for the financial performance of the business and consistent with our overall guidance. We do expect to be able to continue to earn right at that allowed ROE.
We really don't experience much lag in Minnesota once we file the case because we're allowed to put interim rates into effect, and those have been in effect at a $48 million level since sometime last year.
Okay, thanks. I think the strategy is to file every two years in Minnesota. In year two, do you experience any ROE degradation?
Yeah, there could be some, Brian, after we get the new rates into effect. As you said, we are on a track to continue to file every other year, and we have substantial rate base additions that we're continuing to make there. We will do everything in our power with O&M and other decoupling mechanisms certainly helps, because that captures not the lag, but any under recovery from usage variations. We'll do everything we can to earn as well as we can towards that allowed return.
Okay, lastly, is there any changes or updates to your previously disclosed multi-year CapEx forecasts and rate base CAGRs?
No, not to what we shared back at the fourth quarter call back in February.
All right, great. Thank you.
Yep.
Your next question is from Nick Raza from Citigroup Research.
Thanks, guys. Really two quick questions. First is relating to the Continuum acquisition. Is that acquisition going to require additional capital, or is that already part of the number that's been thrown out there, the about $80 million number?
Nick, this is Joe again. No, that won't require any additional capital. As you mentioned, the purchase price was $77.5 million plus working capital adjustments. We're working very diligently to integrate that acquisition. We expect to have that completed within the next few months, and that'll contribute to our growing income at CES, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks of $40 million to $50 million on an annual basis starting in 2017.
Right. I guess on an unrelated note, in terms of guarantees to Enable, specifically debt and performance for the G&T business, understanding that one of the guarantees expired, I believe it was for debt on May 1st, what should we think about in terms of what's left?
All right, Nick, it's Bill. Those guarantees relate to our tax basis in Enable. They may expire or may look to put other guarantees on in order to manage our tax position.
Okay. Are all of them tax-based?
Yes
performance-based as well? Okay.
They are all tax.
Understood. Okay, I guess.
Okay.
Thank you, Nick.
Thanks.
Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question is from Charles Fishman from Morningstar.
Good morning.
Morning, Charles.
Tracy, I had a question for you. You made the comment that the depreciation was running higher because of the amount and the type. If you could just clarify that for me, is that because the projects were not subject to the DCRF, or is it because the type of CapEx was a shorter life? If you could just give a little more color there, I'd appreciate that.
Sure. Good morning, Charles. We closed a significant amount of projects to rate base in the fourth quarter of last year. That contributed to the increase in rate base and the increase in depreciation. We also had capital with shorter depreciable lives that increased the composite rate. It's a combination of more rate base and a higher composite rate related to, including, but not limited to, IT capital.
Okay. The fact that we're really not seeing any increase in lag because of the 2% plus customer growth necessarily.
That's correct.
It creates an issue. Okay. Then my second question is, Bill, this is for you on Continuum. I thought, and my memory might be off on this, that when you closed that deal, you thought if things went well, that it could maybe push your utility guidance to the upper end. I realize you're only a month into it, but are things going well?
As Joe stated in his remarks, we are well on our way to integrating Continuum. We closed on April 1st, and today is May 10th. We do expect it to be modestly accretive this year. I think it's too early in the process to report as to how much that might be.
Okay, fair enough. That's all I had. Thank you.
Thanks, Charles.
We do have a follow-up from Michael Lapides from Goldman Sachs.
Hey, guys. Just tell me about free cash flow. If I look at what you did in the quarter, just cash from operating activities minus cash from investing activities, generated, if I recall correctly, right around $100 million. This isn't exactly your biggest quarter. If I look at various forecast consensus numbers, et cetera, you're in a position where you might be able to generate a decent amount of annual free cash flow before the dividend payment. How do you think about other uses, especially as CapEx kind of moderates in the 2017, 2018 timeframe? How do you think about other uses for that free cash flow?
Hi, Michael. It's Bill. As I said in our prepared remarks, we're very pleased with our cash generation from operations. The way we look at that is to back out the funds collected for principal amortization associated with the transition bonds, as well as the interest expense associated with that. That cash from operations in the first quarter, you're right, covered our CapEx, covered our dividends, and we paid down $100 million in debt. Very strong. For the year, as I said, we're expecting to borrow incrementally $150 million, and we said on the year-end call that 2017 looks like we'll be paying down debt. We've thought beyond that with respect to other uses. It's a balance between capital investment on behalf of our customers, maintaining our solid credit quality, and then thinking through what we do for our shareholders.
Understood. As we looked at the CapEx forecast you gave at the end of the year, with the continued moderation in the outer years, it almost seems like unless you're targeting a significant lower debt to cap at the holding company level, and you might be, or a significantly different FFO to debt, or unless you're preparing for a deterioration elsewhere in the business, that you're going to be in a very strong cash position as we get a couple years further out in time. I didn't know if there were some thoughts about kind of allocating both to the debt and the equity side of the balance sheet.
We will be thinking about that, but we've not shared any thoughts on that at this time, Michael.
Got it. Thank you, Bill.
Your next question is from Lasan Johong from Auvila Research Consulting.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Thank you. Quick question on Continuum. Now that you closed that transaction, could you kind of go over what your strategy for the energy services business will be going forward? One of the most obvious kind of question would be, there's a big gigantic hole on the East Coast where there's no presence. Is that something you're looking to fill in? Are you looking for more acquisitions? Are you looking for more organic growth? Are there new programs coming in? Kind of give us a good idea of what you want to do with that business.
Lasan, this is Joe again. Good morning.
Good morning.
We don't have a big presence in the East, and we really don't add much in that regard with this acquisition, but it clearly gives us additional scale and reach, in particular in some of the markets in the West. Gives us a bigger presence in Colorado, for example, which we've been trying to do because we think there's opportunities out there. Some of the things that we're already finding in terms of synergies with that acquisition is they have some good relationships with government and school districts, and so we're using that to complement our national accounts and some of the other customers where we have a strong presence. Just in general to take advantage of scale economies as we put these two businesses together.
We think we're going to have several opportunities on the supply side and other areas to be more efficient and to hopefully capture better margins as we integrate the two businesses.
Essentially, a tactical maneuvering, no big strategic initiatives like, say, you start a completely new line of business under the energy services banner.
What we might get with the acquisition is they had some choice customers, and we used to be in that business. What I mean by choice is residential customers being able to choose their provider for natural gas. We think that might present an opportunity to us within CES for a new line of business, as you say. We've got a great customer platform in our utility business, and so we'll see if we can pick up some additional opportunities in that particular segment of the business.
Very good. Thank you very much for your time.
Our last question comes from Ali Agha from SunTrust.
What I wanted to clarify in your opening remarks, you were talking about usage patterns, customers may have come down. Is customer growth, that 2% number you cited, still a good proxy for weather-normalized electric sales growth? Are you seeing a degradation there from customer usage coming down?
Yeah, Ali, the answer to your question is yes, it is a good proxy for it. We are not seeing a reduction in use per customer.
The comments about reduced usage had to do with a year-over-year comparison based on the implications of weather or the changes in weather. When we weather normalize, we end up with usage that continues to hold essentially flat at the residential level.
Flat per customer?
Yes. Flat on a use-per-customer basis.
Use per customer. Okay. Then, when you looked at the Houston Electric results, you're actually down year-over-year. Was that budgeted? How does that fit into the strength overall in Really that you are planning for the year?
Yes. It doesn't change our forecast for the year. It's all part of our consolidated guidance that we've given. We anticipated some of this, I will say, because some of this is timing. There's a timing element involved with right-of-way revenues, as well as with some of the O&M expense. It's down in large part due to what I'll call timing-related events that we were anticipating, and those will be compensated for or reversed throughout the balance of the year.
Okay. Lastly, relative to normal or year-over-year, can you quantify for us what was the weather impact in the utility business?
Yes, we're looking that up. Hold on one second.
Ali, one way to think about this would be the heating degree days at the electric business, which is Texas, which were 86% of normal compared to 135% the first quarter of last year. On the gas side, as Joe said, we're largely hedged, so those heating degree days were 87% this first quarter compared to 113% of last year.
Okay. Overall, Bill, on a bottom-line basis, can you just give us a sense of what weather really did for earnings?
Weather had some effect, but not material effect to us in the quarter. Largely because of the hedging mechanisms that we have in the gas business that Joe reviewed, as well as our hedge in the electric business, which we use for the winter. We intend to mitigate weather impacts as much as possible and practical.
Ali, I think after the hedging, the impact was probably less than $5 million for the quarter.
I see. Pre-tax?
Yes.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you.
That concludes our first quarter earnings call. Thank you, everyone, for your interest in CenterPoint Energy. Have a wonderful day.
This concludes CenterPoint Energy's first quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Thank you for your participation.