Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the II-VI Incorporated fiscal year 2022 fourth quarter earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mary Jane Raymond, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Catherine. Good morning. I'm Mary Jane Raymond, the Chief Financial Officer here at II-VI Incorporated. Welcome to our earnings call today for the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2022. With me today on the call are Dr. Chuck Mattera, our Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Dr. Giovanni Barbarossa, our Chief Strategy Officer and the President of the Compound Semiconductor Segment. This call is being recorded on Wednesday, August 24, 2022. For today's call, the press release and the investor presentation are available on the Investor Relations tab of our website, ii-vi.com. Today's discussion includes certain Non-GAAP measures. A detailed reconciliation of these Non-GAAP measures to our GAAP results is included in today's documents. I remind you that during this call, we will be making certain forward-looking statements.
These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions and involve risks and uncertainty that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements made today. Our comments should be viewed in the context of the risk factors detailed in our most recent 10-K filing for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2021, and our subsequent SEC filings. Our Form 10-K for fiscal year ended June 30, 2022, is expected to be filed on August 29. II-VI assumes no obligation to update the information discussed in this conference call except as required by law. With that, let me turn the call over to Dr. Chuck Mattera. Chuck?
Thank you, Mary Jane. Welcome, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. FY 2022 was truly extraordinary in every conceivable way, starting with our financial results. We completed our fourth fiscal quarter of 2022 with revenue of $887 million, an increase of 7% over the third quarter of 2022, and an increase of 10% over the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2021. We achieved operating income in Q4 FY 2022 of $114 million and Non-GAAP diluted EPS of $0.98. These results are new records for fourth quarter revenue, strong quarterly year-over-year growth numbers, and reflect sustained demand across our businesses. Our quarterly results reflect the resilience to a challenging operating environment, including the ongoing and profound in-quarter impact caused by the pandemic, a dynamic regulatory environment, and persisting supply chain challenges.
In the face of these headwinds, our global team rose to the occasion every day with extraordinary effort and care for our employees and achieved an incredible success. There is an undeniable plumb line running directly from the Finisar acquisition and our collective long and deep history of dedicating ourselves to excellence, including as reflected in the results we report today. We completed the Finisar acquisition on September twenty-fourth, two thousand and nineteen, right before the effects of the pandemic were first felt by the world. At the time, we believed that the depth and breadth of the technologies and manufacturing scale of the newly combined company would enable our growth by addressing the long-term mega trends in our markets, including cloud computing and the advent of 5G wireless networks.
We were right in our beliefs, and so we turned our intense focus to executing on our strategy, leveraging our technology and worldwide manufacturing platforms, identifying and closing gaps, delivering against our synergy targets, and improving our operating leverage. As a result of the acquisition, we became the largest component and subsystem supplier in the optical communications market, as well as a leader in photonic solutions and compound semiconductors. All of these actions led to a truly stunning fiscal year with record $3.3 billion in revenue, 7% top-line growth, and record bookings of $4.3 billion. We also demonstrated our ability to generate strong operating cash flow results while investing strategically for the future and facing unprecedented operating challenges, closing the year with $413 million of operating cash flow.
Putting a finer point on it, revenues from industry-leading customers in the communications market led the way, driving 13% growth in Datacom, thanks to a banner year of market share gains and exciting new product launches that serve the largest hyperscalers. The award-winning Photonic Solutions segment, a business that had less than $100 million in annual sales when we acquired them in 2010, reached a phenomenal $2.2 billion in revenue this year, growing 9% year-over-year. This performance, despite our best efforts, was negatively impacted by $130 million due to supply chain issues. Its partner, the Compound Semiconductors segment, delivered a record $1.1 billion in revenue, thanks to a 29% annual growth in sales of components for semiconductor capital equipment, including growth from differentiated and sole sourced EUV components.
The 26% growth in industrial applications across the board contributed as well. Our silicon carbide materials, devices and modules business grew considerably our top and bottom lines while investing in the growth capacity required to meet the insatiable demand of customers for the best products that money can buy from a sustainable source of high quality silicon carbide power semiconductors at scale. These materials, devices and modules underpin a technological revolution, the electrification of transportation, as well as critical components for renewable energy infrastructure and, in the future, vital upgrades to an aging grid. Our strong performance throughout the year is the result of our deep customer relationships, decades of investments in technology, sophisticated manufacturing platforms and leading edge products. Our diversified global footprint has allowed us to operate resiliently and continue to capture expanding opportunities across all end markets. Turning now to Coherent.
After years of assessing the possible trajectories of a changing landscape, about 18 months ago, we announced our strategy to rebalance the diversification of the company. Our strategy, combined with our market and technology insights, pointed us to Coherent, a long-standing innovator and the gold standard for laser systems technology. Through a process of mutual discovery and our joint planning of the last year, which took place at a blistering pace, our integration teams worked collaboratively to make for a flawless day one experience, which occurred on July 1st when we began a new and transformative chapter. We were off to the races from the very first day. Now, everywhere we turn across the company and with customers and employees alike, sparks of excitement are flying around this next chapter of a remarkable transformation.
We have begun to engage with our new colleagues in earnest and are focused on executing on the synergies already. It's an incredible team of people well suited to our culture, and I could not be more excited about the days ahead. We remain confident and committed to our cost synergy targets and timeline, and over the next several quarters expect to be able to say more about the revenue synergies. On September 8, 2022, we will transition to our new name, Coherent Corp. We'll launch our new brand and begin trading with a new ticker symbol, Nasdaq COHR. We chose the name Coherent because it has the universal meaning of bringing things together with an appeal that we believe will expand our brand recognition and create value.
The broader meaning of the word coherent represents our diversity in thinking distilled into a common purpose, our unity in action, and our broader sense of engagement by connection to our mission, vision and values. Going forward, we will simplify our segment names and the description of the end markets we serve. The new segments will be materials, networking, and lasers. In addition, we will report revenues by four end markets, industrial, communications, electronics, and instrumentation. The company now addresses a combined TAM of $65 billion. Our long range plan anticipates that the markets we serve will have a composite CAGR of mid-double digits. I believe that we are very well positioned in each of the end markets to take advantage of the opportunities available to us while delivering on the promise of our transformative acquisitions through sustained dedication to organic investments.
The resulting depth and breadth of our team of dedicated employees, technology platforms, and manufacturing scale, now with the addition of Coherent, will enable our growth by addressing the long term megatrends in our targeted markets. Turning to Q1 FY 2023, our guidance anticipates that we will grow the top line by over 50% sequentially, including the acquisition, and over 10% organically for legacy II-VI. We expect continued sequential growth from the consumer market due to both meaningful share gains in the sensing market, including 3D sensing, as well as continued demand in components for semiconductor capital equipment and communications overall. In FY 2023, we will continue to prioritize our capital allocations to debt reduction, investments in capacity expansion, and for next generation technology and product development as we simultaneously drive deleveraging and continued leadership and sustainable growth across all of our markets.
I will return to wrap up after Mary Jane's section, but for now, let me turn it over to Dr. Giovanni Barbarossa, who in his capacity as the company's Chief Strategy Officer, will provide color for the quarter and about our emerging technologies. Giovanni?
Thank you, Chuck, and good morning, everyone. We had a great fourth quarter with meaningful growth in communications and industrial. Communications revenue grew 8% compared to Q4 last year, and 4% sequentially. Our data center business grew 14% compared to Q4 last year, with strong growth in transceivers modules and photonics components. Our growth is a testament to our technology leadership, supported by proactive supply chain management and collaborative long-range planning with a broad customer base. For the market studies we have done, the data comm market is expected to grow in the next five years at a 12% compounded annual growth rate despite current macro sentiments.
The double-digit growth is in line with recent analyst reports that forecast global data center CapEx spend to be quite robust, growing to over $370 billion by 2026, with hyperscalers accounting for more than half of that amount. Shipments to hyperscalers of our higher data rate transceivers at 200 G and beyond were four times higher than in fiscal year 2021, and drove the majority of the growth of our Datacom business in fiscal year 2022. As the cloud and hyperscale data center market transition to 25 and 50 terabits per second switches, the demand for our 800 G transceivers is picking up. In fact, we are now shipping meaningful volumes of 800 G transceivers. We are confident that our industry-leading 200 G indium phosphide lasers and detectors will become the components of choice for this upgrade cycle.
Our 200 G per lane lasers and detectors will be needed in reducing cost and energy per bit, and will serve as a solid foundation for our next generation 1.6 terabit per second transceivers. We are pleased to report that we had a record revenue for our Datacom VCSELs, which was driven by successful ramp of the latest generation of our 50 G VCSELs for PAM4 modulation format. Our telecom business grew 10% sequentially, driven by continuous share gain in coherent transceivers and the growth of our subsystems business. Last quarter, we unveiled our organic DSP platform, which in line with our vertical integration strategy we have been investing in since 2019.
Our purpose-built Steelerton DSP is a key enabler of our industry's first 100 ZR QSFP28 pluggable coherent transceiver for the network edge, a market that analysts estimate to be $750 million by calendar year 2026. With our DSP and our transceiver technology, service providers can now benefit from the simplicity and robustness of coherent technology in the access network and proceed to upgrade millions of 10G Ethernet links to 100G seamlessly. Our ROADM business, which was the most affected by supply chain over the past year, was flat for the full year, but grew 12% sequentially as we have made good progress in procuring components in short supply. Our industrial business achieved record revenues, growing 6% in the quarter compared to Q4 last year, and 5% sequentially.
Across the year and continuing in the fourth quarter, revenue was driven by consumables for both CO2 and fiber laser systems, a significant growth from optical components for short pulse lasers, a double-digit growth for our portfolio processing head for cutting and welding, and a very solid year for our pump lasers. Sales on many of our industrial products exceeded market growth as we continue to gain market share through our differentiated products, which are underpinned by very competitive cost structure and performance. Looking forward, this will only be enhanced with Coherent acquisition, particularly in the fast-growing market for electric vehicles, where the combination of our fiber lasers and processing head provide uniquely differentiated solutions for battery welding. Revenues for the semiconductor capital equipment market grew 30% compared to Q4 last year, and 9% sequentially.
We had a record quarter and a record year with an annual growth of 29%, driven by strong demand for advanced materials for both the front and the back end of the line applications and some critical design wins as the envelope of our applications continues to expand. Demand for advanced lithography, including EUV, continues to grow, and our EUV business hit both annual and quarterly records in revenue consistently with significant expansion plans announced by our key customers. Our consumer market revenues hit a record in Q4, a quarter that is typically the slowest seasonally, with 36% growth compared to Q4 of last year, and 34% sequentially. The importance of shortwave infrared wavelengths for consumer electronics is starting to be well-recognized.
We recently announced a joint demonstration of a next-generation 3D camera with longer range and higher resolution than standard cameras operating at a shorter wavelength that will greatly enhance the user experience in the Metaverse. Our life sciences business had a record year, climbing over the $100 million mark in annual revenue. While COVID-related revenues are stabilizing, our optics and thermoelectrics sales into life sciences applications hit a quarterly revenue record. Finally, shipments of silicon carbide substrates in Q4 were 65% for power electronics and 35% for wireless communication, including our initial shipment of gallium nitride on silicon carbide devices and represent 4% of our revenue. We recently reported signing a meaningful and long-term contract to supply silicon carbide substrates to two leading customers, Infineon and Tianyu.
As we continue to make progress with our devices for power electronics, silicon carbide grew 23% in Q4 over the same period last year, and our engagement with customers in the U.S. and Asia are expanding rapidly. We have now sampled our first automotive qualified MOSFET devices, and we are working relentlessly to secure our first design wins. With that, let me turn it over to Mary Jane. Mary Jane?
Thanks, Giovanni. For these entire remarks, I will speak about legacy II-VI results only unless otherwise noted. The quarterly and full year end market and geographic breakdown of our $887 million of Q4 revenue and $3.3 billion of fiscal year 2022 revenue can be found on pages 20-24 of the investor presentation. We show you fiscal year 2022 complete by the legacy II-VI market breakdown and then by the new market breakdown. We also supply the mapping from the legacy market to the simplified four end markets on page 23. For legacy II-VI only, networking and materials, industrial was 21% of total fiscal year 2022 revenue, communications was 65%, electronics was 10%, and instrumentation was 4%.
Including the former Coherent, the laser segment, using their trailing twelve months revenue, the pro forma annual end market fiscal year 2022 breakdown is industrial 38%, communications 45%, electronics 7%, and instrumentation 10%. Returning to II-VI results, our Q4 Non-GAAP gross margin was 38.7% and the Non-GAAP operating margin was 19%. As a reminder, last quarter included $8 million of progress payments on development programs being partially supported by customers, affecting the gross margin by $4.4 million and the operating margin by $8 million total, with $3.6 being an offset to R&D. Supply chain costs and COVID costs, a total of $8.6 million, are not excluded to arrive at Non-GAAP results. The margins are affected by the typical costs associated with the initial launch of new products.
At the segment level, the Non-GAAP operating margins were 15.3% for Photonics and 26.6% for Compound Semiconductors. Our record backlog of $2.3 billion consists of $1.6 billion for Photonics and $0.7 billion for Compound Semiconductors. This increase in backlog is a function of demand, in particular from the industrial semiconductor capital equipment and communications end markets. GAAP operating expenses, SG&A plus R&D, were $212 million in Q4. Excluding $10 million of amortization, $13 million of stock comp, $6 million in start-up costs, and $8 million of M&A and integration costs, Non-GAAP OpEx was $176 million or 20% of revenue. For the year, annual GAAP OpEx was $851 million, and Non-GAAP was $671 million or 20% of revenue.
Quarterly GAAP EPS was $0.23, and Non-GAAP EPS was $0.98, with after-tax Non-GAAP adjustments of $90 million in total. The diluted share count for GAAP results is 117 million shares, and for Non-GAAP, the share count was 126 million shares. The GAAP and Non-GAAP EPS calculations are in the ending tables of the press release. Pre-tax interest expense was $49 million. This includes $10 million of our underlying interest and $39 million of interest and fees on the debt for the Coherent transaction. Cash flow from operations in the quarter was $137 million, and free cash flow was $19 million. Free cash flow was $19 million, including CapEx of $118 million. For the year, cash flow from operations was $413 million, and free cash flow was $99 million.
The strategic inventory build was $207 million, and the CapEx was $314 million. An additional $53 million of CapEx has been committed. CapEx for fiscal year 2023 is expected to be $500 million-$600 million. Our net cash at June thirtieth was $282 million. On July first, with the close of the Coherent transaction, our cash balance declined to $824 million from $2.58 billion, and we recorded $5 billion of total debt. On the first of September, our 2022 convertible notes will mature. We have $324 million still outstanding as of today. The company expects to settle in stock. The effective tax rate in the quarter was 11% and 17% for the year.
We expect the tax rate in fiscal year 2023 to be between 22% and 24%, assuming no adoption of new or additional tax rulings. The increase in the tax rate is largely driven by M&A costs that are not deductible. With respect to the Coherent transaction, our debt increased to $5 billion. Our net debt position immediately after the transaction was $4.2 billion, and our annual interest is expected to be $274 million, about $114 million above our expectations when the transaction was announced. Approximately 40% is hedged. Using the estimated pro forma trailing twelve months of both companies at June 30, the closing leverage was 3.6x gross leverage and 3x net leverage. A total of 23 million new shares were issued to Coherent shareholders.
The funding from Bain Capital, the Series B preferred shares, is $2.15 billion and is equivalent to about 26 million common shares if converted. The income target for the entire Series B preferred shares to be dilutive is $189 million. Dividends for the entire $2.15 billion are 5% or $116 million a year or $29 million a quarter, payable in kind for the first four years, and thereafter in kind or cash at our option. Turning to the outlook for Q1 fiscal year 2023. Our outlook for revenue for the first fiscal quarter ending September 30, 2022, is expected to be $1.3 billion-$1.4 billion and earnings per share on a Non-GAAP basis to be $0.77-$0.90.
This excludes any effects of purchase accounting which are still underway other than the depreciation that is about $5 million in Q1. The share count is 142 million shares for the low end of the guidance and 151 million shares for the midpoint and the high end of the guidance. The EPS calculation, including the dividend treatment, is detailed on table 8 of the press release for the low, mid, and high points of the guidance. This is at today's exchange rate and an estimated tax rate in Q1 of 25%.
For the Non-GAAP earnings per share, we add back to the GAAP earnings pre-tax amounts of $265 million, consisting of $65 million in amortization, $30 million in stock comp, $122 million for M&A, including fees for the banking and financing, and $48 million for the inventory step-up, which is preliminary. The actual dollar amount of Non-GAAP items, the tax rate, the exchange rates, the purchase price accounting, and the share counts are all subject to change. As a reminder, our answers today may contain certain forward-looking statements from which our actual results may differ due to a variety of factors, including, but not limited to, changes in mix, customer changes, supply chain shortages, both upstream and downstream, competition, changes in regulations, COVID-19 protocols, and global economic conditions. With that, I'll turn it over to Chuck for a few final comments. Chuck?
Thank you again, Mary Jane and Giovanni. I would like to close our fiscal year 2022 earnings call with some special recognition. First and foremost, I would like to recognize and thank each and every one of our worldwide employees for your hard work, dedication to excellence in everything you do, and for caring so much for one another this past year. Without your daily dedication to excellence, we would not have been able to meet the extraordinary technical, operational, and financial challenges and achieve the lofty goals we set for ourselves in FY 2022 while laying the foundation for an even brighter future. You are really making the world a safer, healthier, closer, and more efficient place to live. I would also like to thank our thousands of dedicated suppliers for your support over the past several years, and especially this last fiscal year.
It's been a truly challenging, dynamic and unique business environment, and we really appreciate your help in achieving our goal of serving our customers. To our customers, thank you for your continued confidence and support. It's an honor to serve you and enable your continued success and to be an intimate part of building your future. I look forward to a tremendous future together, and we will do our absolute best to continue to serve you. Finally, I would also like to thank all of our shareholders and debt holders who have invested in us, entrusted us with your confidence, and given us enormous opportunity and responsibility to succeed. We take your trust and confidence and our responsibility very seriously. For those on the call, we welcome your questions, and we expect to end this call not later than 10 A.M. Eastern time this morning.
Catherine, you may open the line for questions.
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you need to press star one one on your telephone. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Paul Silverstein with Cowen. Your line is open.
Guys, thanks for taking the questions. First off, against the backdrop of what appears to be awfully broad strengths, Chuck, what's the opportunity for greatest improvement from here with respect to revenue? If I could have a follow-up, the follow-up would be with respect to Coherent and industrial in particular, what's the exposure to macro?
Paul, I wasn't able to hear. Can you just summarize the two? Is the greatest opportunity for revenue, was that the first part?
Greatest opportunity for improvement. I mean, obviously, you're discussing broad strength, but where's the greatest opportunity for improvement from a revenue perspective, by product market, however you wanna frame it. How much of the industrial business, how much of Coherent would be macro leverage versus how much of it is relatively independent from macro?
Okay, maybe Giovanni Barbarossa will take the first one.
Yes. Hey, Paul, thanks for the question. When we announced the combination with Coherent, there were four markets that we thought that were gonna be very synergistic, you know, not only in general for the cost structure of the two companies combined, but mostly about the revenue. That's what your question is about. We haven't really quantified those, but those four are really around industrial, the semi cap and display markets, and then life sciences and aerospace and defense. You know, we can go a little bit more into details.
In industrial, we think there is an opportunity on the cutting market, which we are not really currently serving from a fiber laser standpoint, but I think there is an opportunity to gain share there, thanks to the combined cost structure of the company. In the semicon and display market standpoint, I think we have an opportunity to leverage a combined portfolio that's pretty unique in the industry from a laser system standpoint as well as parts and components standpoint that we are supplying to similar customers. There is a tremendous portfolio synergies to be leveraged.
Life Sciences, I think the most important of revenue opportunity really ultimately comes from the incredibly capillary and very well positioned sales force of Coherent in that market, which is substantially larger than what we had at II-VI before the combination. Last but not least, aerospace and defense between energy, you know, high energy laser weapons and other, you know, advanced application. I think the two companies have a portfolio of products that is pretty unique, particularly to serve the U.S. market.
Okay. Paul, maybe for the second part of your question, for sure, more than half of it, I would say about 70% perhaps, but I wanna make clear that that part, even the part which is connected to the macro, as you outlined, they've done a really solid job of. Even in some parts of the economy where there's been a slowdown, they still have been successful in penetrating with differentiated products. Their footprint is extraordinary. The service component is also a capillary component of the business.
I would look back and just point out that maybe 18 months ago when we modeled and had an expectation for what they could do in our fiscal year 2022, they came in right in line with it, despite some softness in some parts of the economy. Leverage maybe 70%. That's a rough estimate, but very strong and differentiated within it.
Sure. Just to clarify, based on the press releases they were putting out, their business obviously was trending significantly positive since the deal was first announced. Can you share any insight in terms of what you're seeing with respect to orders that they were seeing on the industrial side? It doesn't sound like there's been a downturn relative to macro or otherwise, but that's the question.
Yeah. No, no, really. I mean, the only softness that we saw over the past 12 months was really China, and that's picking up. We were down year-over-year, you know, because of China. Now Q4 is actually picking up in China as a market about 7%, and it's distributed between industrial, mostly industrial, and then some communications and life sciences. That's very, very encouraging.
With respect to Europe, you know, Europe and the rest of the world, North America, et cetera, I think, as we have said, industrial has been very strong across the board, at component levels, subsystem levels, you know, consumable, the aftermarket numbers are still very strong, which indicate a very strong laser utilization for, you know, durable good manufacturing.
Thanks very much. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Paul.
Thank you. We have a question from Ananda Baruah with Loop Capital. Your line is open.
Hi. Good morning, guys. Hey, congrats on getting this done and on the strong June quarter execution, and thanks for all the great detail today. Really appreciate it. I just have one, if I could. Just with Legacy Coherent, could you guys give us some sense of where they are in their microelectronics and display cycle since they haven't been commenting on that for a while? In that context, how should we think about where they are in their profitability cycle as well? Is it tracking with consistent cycles for where they are at this point in the cycle? That's it for me. Really appreciate it.
Ananda, thank you for your question. I would come back across the board and just reiterate what I said. The model that we had that we built during our diligence before the process settled down, we expected them to have a performance across the four business market segments. They delivered in line. Despite the challenges that we all had in operating, they delivered in line with what we expected. I would say it's been very steady, very solid progress, and there have been no surprises. I'm expecting it to continue to be along that same plumb line.
That's really helpful, Chuck. Any context on where in that cycle they are?
Well, Ananda, this is Giovanni. Thanks for your question.
Thank you.
I think definitely in the past, the leadership from an OLED market standpoint was very strong. You can expect that the relationship with display manufacturers has continued over the years, and the team is working on next generation displays, which will unlikely be, you know, OLED, will probably be microLED driven and so forth. If you think about the timing of when those technology will come to market, it will be, you know, a few years. We need to get ready for that market to pick up and, you know, create some strong demand for us.
I think from a development, you know, from a technology standpoint, from a product development standpoint, from a customer engagement, I think we believe that we'll still be the leader in that market with, you know, strong interactions, strong technology platforms, uniquely differentiated in many ways that we'll get ready at the right time for the ramp for the production of MicroLEDs. I mean, we said when we talked about Coherent, I used at least this way to characterize. We think that ultimately the laser platform as an offering is future proof. You know, displays are gonna be around for a while.
No matter the technology, you still will rely on laser processes to manufacture displays, whether they are OLED, they are microLEDs, et cetera. I think the reference, you know, for quite some time will be the Coherent team that now is part of the company, and we think very, very strong about the leadership market-wise from that standpoint.
Yeah. Thanks, Giovanni. Ananda, thanks for your question. I would only add any such transitions when they happen, you can expect that we'll not only be there, but that we expect to lead this part of it. Okay?
That's great context. Thanks, guys.
Thank you.
Could we have the next question, please?
Our next question comes from Dave Kang with B. Riley. Your line is open.
Thank you. Good morning. Just a question on Infineon investment. I believe they have signed a two-year supply agreement with the Showa Denko last year. Just wondering if you are splitting Infineon with Showa or any kind of a color as far as the terms of the contract.
Hey, Dave. Hi, good morning. This is Giovanni. Thanks for your question. You know, I can't refer to other agreements that our customer have. I only know that we signed a very compelling long-term and large agreement with them to support this growth. That's all I can say.
Dave, I would add, Dave, thanks for your question, Dave. I would add the industry ecosystem includes companies who provide epitaxial wafers. We are suppliers to even that element of the ecosystem. I would only ask you to bear that in mind. Thanks for your question.
My follow-up on 3DS with this particular, the lead smartphone customer, is it just, still, you know, you and Lumentum, or is there additional supplier in that supply chain?
Thanks, Dave. It's hard to say. We definitely, as you know, as the numbers kind of can tell you know, we believe we've been gaining significant share year-over-year, quarter-over-quarter. Ultimately, you know, what really counts is in a world where the product has to be replaceable, has to be able to be replaced by competition, then the major differentiation really come down to cost and quality, and then the roadmap that we have with the customers.
We think that, from a cost structure standpoint, given our complete level of vertical integration, and then from a quality standpoint, as we reported over the past several quarters, you know, reporting quarter- over- quarter Zero DPPM shipments, I think we welcome additional competition, but for now, our growth and our share gains, including some new design wins, is demonstrated by the numbers that we have reported.
Thank you.
Thanks, Dave.
Could we have the next question, please?
We have a question from Mark Miller with Benchmark. Your line is open.
Congratulations on your record sales and closing the Coherent acquisition. Your compound semiconductor sales were up, but operating income was down and so was margins. I was wondering if you have some color on that.
Thank you.
Compound Semiconductors.
Thank you for your question, Mark. Let's give it a second.
The operating margin for Compound Semiconductors was lower in the quarter because last quarter, which I imagine is your comparison, we had the $8 million of customer supported payments for new development were all in that segment. If you look at $8 million on Compound Semiconductors third quarter, roughly $260 million in revenue, I mean, it's 3 points in margin. You know, it's a significant amount, almost 4 actually. But generally speaking, I would say that's one thing. The second thing is that they, as Giovanni talked about, had launches of new products that for which you have seen the start-up costs in the past that launched in the quarter, and they usually, those early volumes usually have a little bit of a dampening effect on the margin.
Okay, thank you. With companies like Western Digital and Micron significantly lowering their outlook for next fiscal year, are you concerned? Datacom's been very strong. Just was wondering about hyperscale CapEx over the next year. Are you worried about they're gonna cut that because of weak consumer demand?
No, definitely not, Mark. We, as I said in the prepared remarks, demand for higher data rate transceivers, 200G and beyond, is very strong. We say that demand increased 4x year-over-year, so it's really strong. We just don't see any of that in our customers' demand. So I can't comment on those two companies that you mentioned.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mark.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham. Your line is open.
Hi, thank you. Mary Jane, I know there are a lot of puts and takes with respect to gross margins, but I'm wondering if you can provide any way to think about gross margins for the combined company looking out in Q1, just given supply chain. I don't know if you wanna provide some color as to what kind of a revenue impact we might see from supply chain challenges.
With respect to the margin, first of all, probably over the next few weeks, we'll put out a combined pro forma comparison for past quarters. I would say, going into Q1, so in this quarter, first of all, we had the kind of launch costs, so to speak, of newer products starting up, and we did have the absence of the lift we had last quarter, but that was always called out as a one-time. Going into fiscal year 2022 for margins overall, I would imagine that the company still has a very good shot at that margin being over 40%, but in terms of having a finalized model on what we think to put out a new range, as I say, we'll probably have that over the next few weeks.
Generally speaking, Coherent is positive in our margins, and I think we look forward to the improvements that we'll see as we continue to go forward, especially within Giovanni's segment.
As his products launch, they have, as we've said many times before, the most ability to move the margin, whether that be any form of laser that we have or silicon carbide.
This quick follow-up. When you talk about that 70% of that Coherent business being macro-related, Chuck, you're talking also the excimer laser annealing, the ELA business, the OLED portion of the business. I wonder if you can characterize the line of sight you have to their bookings and backlog over the next two years, just given what we're hearing about new fab capacity additions, particularly in China.
We won't be able to comment the size, what you're looking for for the next few years on this call today, Jim. Suffice it to say, we think there's still a very good and strong opportunity, and we're excited about it.
Okay. Thanks a lot.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Samik Chatterjee with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats from my side as well. I just have one quick one, and I was hoping to dive a bit into the electronics market in which you're outlining the strongest growth forecast, although understandably, it's sort of a smaller portion of your revenue right now. If you can sort of help me think about the $11 billion TAM that you're outlining, how much of that is sort of the big buckets of electric vehicles versus 3D sensing. When I think about the 17% CAGR, is it going to be more back-end loaded because of electric vehicles, or I would think 3D sensing is a bit more front-end loaded in that time horizon.
Just trying to think about sort of how to think about the implication of that 17% CAGR to your business. Any help there would be helpful. Useful. Thank you.
Hey, Samik. Good morning. It's Giovanni. Thanks for your question. Hopefully now the electronics includes what used to be the consumer electronics, and that's very much you know the largest portion of the growth that we you know we've included in our guidance, as well as generally speaking for the future. The reason is it comes down to what we talked about in the past, which is an expansion of our addressable market beyond 3D sensing into sensing.
While we continue to gain share on 3D sensing, there's a larger portion of the market, which is the sensing, which includes in our definition of 3D sensing, where we're gaining share and having new design wins, all photonics related, thanks to a portfolio of products which is second to none, you know, including filters, diffractive optics, materials, of course, lasers, photodiodes, and et cetera. There is an opportunity for us there to grow in a much larger market than 3D sensing. On the automotive side, it's all driven primarily by our substrate sales, our silicon carbide substrate sales. We continue to sign new contracts, long-term contracts.
Right now, our growth is mostly limited by capacity, not by demand. Demand is very, very strong, and we are continuing to add capacity. As you remember, we announced a billion-dollar investment. Over the next five years, we are spending capital to increase the bullish growth, you know, year over year. That's coming online fast, but not fast enough to kind of saturate the market. We have a room for growth from that standpoint as soon as we bring capacity online.
Yeah. I would only add, Samik, maybe a way to put a really fine point on it. If you look in the second half of the decade, this opportunity that we see will really be driven by silicon carbide power electronics. As Giovanni said, the materials and the devices and modules will start to kick in, and it will be driven in our model and in our forecast by the adoption of electric vehicles and other components that require high voltage, high reliability devices. We said that we expect to be at a level to offer into the marketplace and sell in about five years from now, 1 million six-inch equivalent substrates of silicon carbide per year, beginning in about five years.
It's that second half that you know that we're looking at, and that's what we're investing for and getting organized for now, in addition to growing in the short term because the market is supply limited. Okay?
Thank you. Thank you, I'll pass on . Thanks.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to just to maybe dig a little bit deeper on understanding the trends for Coherent's industrial exposure specifically. I think people maybe alluded to this earlier, but Applied Materials talked about some weakness in flat panels. I don't presume that Coherent really has much business from that market. I think Giovanni talked about this as an opportunity longer term, and I think it's more tied to smartphone. If you could help us understand maybe some of those key drivers for the industrial aspects of Coherent, I think I'm looking at you know what's coming, not what's happened over the past year.
Just a quick follow-up, if you could share with us roughly the mix shift in your Datacom transceivers as to how much of the revenue is 200 gig and above now versus, let's say, one year ago, and how you see that trending. Thank you.
Okay, Simon, first of all, I wanna make sure that I clarify one point. In our definition, industrial is about manufacturing or durable goods, not consumer electronics products. So that it's more on the what used to be called, I believe, microelectronics in the Coherent kind of market classification. You know, now it is gonna be called basically industrial in our classification. So just to make sure it is not confused the two, because we used to call industrial like fiber laser cutting, fiber laser, you know, the CO2 lasers and so forth. Now we are putting under, you know, the new industrial is including more, let's say the larger portion of the market.
In terms of displays, I can't comment on what Applied Materials has reported. I can tell you that the demand is, you know, for those kind of products, I would say it's stable. I think that, as I alluded earlier, growth will come significantly when new technologies and new, you know, new use cases will make it into the market. I think your second question was, I forgot. It was about consumer?
No, about your datacom transceivers.
Oh, yeah.
I want to get a better understanding of how your mix has shifted to the higher performance products, maybe a year-over-year, if you have that handy. 200 gig and above.
We like to divide the market in three buckets in terms of the hyperscalers, let's say, the average scalers, and then the long tail. We have about, let's say, our market, and that's important because the high data rates all clearly, they mostly go into hyperscalers. You know, the long tail is all about, you know, 10 G and above, up to 200 G. Let's say that the hyperscale is about 1/3 of the total of the Datacom number. You know, we have about 20-30 mid-size web scale operators. That's another 1/3. The last third is actually almost 4,000 customers, of which probably 300 are the bulk.
That's the kind of way this is. Now, if you think about high data rate, I would say that I would call it like 30% of the demand goes into hyperscalers. And again, that's because again, that's mostly by the customers driving the demand for 200, 400, and now even 800G, which we're shipping already. I hope that gives you enough color. It's all about hyperscaler driving higher data rates and the rest of the market driving, let's say, legacy 200 and below demand.
Yeah. Generally.
A fine point on your answer. It's the hyperscalers that are driving your growth. The rest of the market you would characterize as stable. Is that accurate?
No, no, not at all. No. It's driving the growth of the high data rate.
Okay.
Yeah. The hyperscalers are driving the growth of the high data rate, but the low data rate also growing. It's just they're not necessarily at 200 G and above.
I think similar to the answers we've given in the past, I mean, compared to the fourth quarter of last year, when it was already starting to move to about 12% of the total transceiver business, the higher data rates now are over 40%.
Thank you.
Thank you, Simon.
We have a question from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks. A couple for me. One, if you could just kind of speak to, you know, over the last, you know, 15, 18 months, that you were kind of evaluating the Coherent acquisition, just, you know, how your view of what cross-sell opportunities or synergy opportunities have been. You know, are you more encouraged or kind of similarly encouraged as you were, last March? Maybe second question, you know, Giovanni, you had mentioned last quarter that you were expecting 3D sensing business to grow, not necessarily from your lead customer, but from other expansion opportunities during the year. Clearly, you're seeing, you know, expansion within your lead customer as well. Just are the other opportunities that you were expecting in 3D sensing kind of playing out as expected? Thanks.
Okay. Meta, I'll let Giovanni take the second part. As it relates to the first part of your question, compared to what we were thinking 18 months ago, I would say with regard to opportunities for growth and the synergies, until the acquisition closed, we were not able to see or be exposed to any aspect of the details of their revenues. In the last few weeks, now that we've had that chance, yes, I would say that we're even more excited than what we were before then. The size of our largest customers and leading customers that are coming up in the marketplace who are investing to grow, they're all on the list.
The next phase of the integration will actually be a complete overhaul of our global sales organization, bringing the sales and service organization together. That'll happen here in the next few weeks. When that happens, we'll be able to begin to tie our efficient standard operating procedures and processes with legacy Coherent together in a way that we both like to do and hit the road and start talking to these large customers and the medium-sized ones that we've targeted to grow with. It's a target-rich environment. I guess that's all I say. Okay.
Thanks, Chuck. Hi, Meta. Good morning. I would say that first of all, let me comment generally. The growth trajectory in our case really comes down to three coordinates that I want to make sure that I explain them. First of all, we are broadening our technology footprint in the sensing and 3D sensing market. In terms of actually the material that is being used to support those applications, that's very important. In order to serve that, you do have to obviously must have a broad portfolio or technology platforms to do that. That's one coordinate. The second coordinate is the level of integration that we are offering.
We're partnering in some cases directly. We try to offer a broader level of integration with packaging, including drivers, which we design ourselves for lasers and those kind of applications. That's also important. The other one, as I mentioned earlier, is really around the expansion of the market that we are serving. We are focusing only on 3D sensing, which we have demonstrated ability to be very cost and quality competitive in a market which is obviously very price sensitive. We're expanding beyond that into sensing, which is a much larger market.
Where there is also, I assume, we see there is more competition, but because of our vertical integration, the broad portfolio and the offering that is not limited to chips, but it goes beyond semiconductor laser chips, as I said earlier, into optics, into materials, into package components, and so forth, we expect the growth to be driven in those three coordinates, as I said. Yes, what this one customer is definitely driving most of the growth. On the other hand, we're having significant new play in automotive, and there is life sciences coming with bio, biometrics for wearables and the likes will eventually come. We're very engaged in that for those kind of applications too.
It's a very much broader market than we talked about in the past. There is more room for growth than just in the 3D sensing, even if I think at 3D sensing, we continue to gain share, as I said earlier.
Great. Thanks so much.
Thank you, Meta.
Our next question comes from Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Yeah. Hey, guys. First of all, congratulations on the deal. Chuck, we're hearing from a lot of companies that the supply issues are now starting to get better. I guess my first question is, you had a, you know, pretty big amount of revenue you left behind on the table last quarter. I would be curious to see what you're seeing at this point in time, if you agree with the statement that, you know, that I just made, that we're hearing from other companies, or is it still pretty tight?
We had a big opportunity, a bigger opportunity than what we could deliver in the fourth quarter. We talked about it. I mentioned it on my call, in my part of the script. For sure, I also said, we are seeing some moderation, but it's on a supplier by supplier, product line by product line basis, fab by fab basis. It's not a comment that you can make as a broad brush across the whole of the market. The other aspect is that once this problem became clear, we got busy working on second sources and redesigning and respinning and re-everything that we needed to in close partnership with our customers.
Part of the supply chain moderation is actually coming as a result of hard work and a deliberate strategy to dual source or triple source, where we may have been only sole or double sourced. It's a mix. For sure, you know, we can see some improvements coming in some quarters and in other parts, the challenges that we're managing are about the same as they were 90 days ago.
Got it. Thanks, Chuck. For my next one, I know we can look at Coherent's model and sort of put together gross margin, pro forma and an OpEx number, but I'd be curious if you would be able to provide some color on how we should model those two, the gross margin and the OpEx number. If there's any difference, you know, now that you've owned it a couple of weeks, any difference to what you expected, anything pleasant or unpleasant that you saw from the deal?
First of all, the second part of the question, no. I mean, I think the more we work with our new colleagues, it just becomes more and more exciting. We're very, very happy with the progress they're making in the market and the financial progress that they've made on their own from their own internal plans, which doesn't always happen in an acquisition. Once a company knows it's going to be acquired by somebody else, they sort of ignore that fact and got on with their plan, and they did a very wonderful job. I would expect that, as I said, over the next couple of weeks, we'll probably put out the combined backward model, first of all, and then you'll be able to see it from there.
I'd say generally speaking, the company is still expecting to have the margins in the 40s%. I would expect that, you know, you should probably not do, you know, much above 40% at this point until we've really had some time to look at all the ways they report and various things that they're seeing also on supply chain at this point too. That's the first thing. With respect to OpEx, we will continue to work on the combined OpEx between the two companies, similar to as we have been doing. The synergies, as we said, are very, very important to where we're gonna be here.
I think conceptually, you know, it's probably the same situation we had with Finisar, which is, we'll say that we're going to try and get their numbers to the old II-VI numbers, you know, 20% of revenue for OpEx, et cetera, at the end of the three years of synergies, and I imagine we would probably do that somewhat faster. My general sense is that that's very likely that we will continue to make the same sort of progress we have with II-VI. Generally speaking, we will make progress on not just taking the two companies and adding them up between the synergies, and I think the work that we'll be able to do together in leveraging both companies' sets of assets.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Harsh.
We have a question from Sidney Ho with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Two quick ones. One on silicon carbide. For the Infineon deal specifically, is there any way you can help us think about the size of the contract, the duration, the timing, of the revenue ramp? Also curious if there is any commitment of timeline to deliver 200 millimeter wafers, and I have a follow-up. Thanks.
Well, okay. Thank you, Sydney. We will not be able to say any more than what Infineon and we released in our press release. I could add that in terms of the timeline, the timeline is now. It's now. People are in need. We're ready. It's now. We're in the process of serving them. As it relates to 200 mm, well, as we have announced in 2016, we came to the marketplace with the first 200 mm silicon carbide capability. We are ready, and we are serving it. My view is that the 150 mm will continue to be the dominant substrate for silicon carbide for some time to come.
Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Chuck. Maybe follow-up question is kind of related to this, but if you look at the fiscal 2023 CapEx guidance, $500 million-$600 million is up quite a bit. Obviously, you have Coherent in there. I'm curious what are the different components in terms of the increase. How much of that is coming from silicon carbide expansion, and how much of that is coming from Coherent and other items? Thank you.
Coherent probably adds in the neighborhood of between, say, $70 million-$90 million, maybe $100 million, depending on what they see in terms of new opportunities. That's the first part of the answer. The second part of the answer is we would expect to see silicon carbide continue in 2024, very, very similar to what we saw in 2023, very, very similar to what we saw in 2022. Of the $1 billion of investment that we discussed coming over the next 10 years, actually, it's rather concentrated in the first three for CapEx.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you, Sidney.
We have a question from Thomas O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is open.
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. You gave some guidance in terms of organic II-VI sequentially. With that guidance, it implies Coherent kind of flat to slightly down. Could you just talk about what's going better, what's going worse in Coherent? Is it the industrial laser side? You guys have seen some strength there despite the weakness in China. Or is it on the OLS side, where it's the microelectronics? Any color on the moving parts, what's doing better, what's doing worse there? Thank you.
I would say it's very, very steady. Actually, there is nothing going worse. You already heard Coherent's own comments last quarter about supply chain. Actually, they're delivering very steady performance, all things considered.
Helpful. Then in terms of the CapEx. We heard a competitor talk earlier, well, last week about their efforts to start going after DSP technology. Could you just give us an update on how that effort is going for you guys and the strategic importance of having a DSP in both the coherent market at higher speeds in the future? Thank you.
Hi, Tom. Good morning. Thanks for the question. As I said in my prepared remarks, we started investing in 2019. That's three years ago. You know, we realized the strategic importance of the ability to design our own DSPs. We started, we introduced a dedicated DSP, as I said, for the 100G upgrade of 10G Ethernet links, but particularly around the backhaul, wireless backhauls and so forth. These are, as I said, almost like millions of ports that needs to be upgraded from 10 to 100G.
That DSP is going to give us an incredibly competitive cost structure in addition, of course, to the lasers and detectors and the vertically integrated manufacturing lines that we have in China and Malaysia. That DSP investment is continuing. We're obviously working on other functionalities, other reaches, other applications, and you know, we will continue to beef up the team with talent to continue to support the you know, particularly the coherent side of the transceiver demand, which where we'll need to broaden the portfolio beyond what we already announced. Anyway, so as I said, we did recognize the importance.
We decided to go with an organic investment, and so far it's been delivering according to plan, and we're very excited about it.
I would add, Tom, that our current supply chain partners have really done a great job for us at the same time. We have this dual approach here because we're thinking about the future. Okay?
Thank you, Chuck. Appreciate it.
You bet.
Thank you. That's all the questions we have. I'd like to turn the call back to management for any closing remarks.
Want to thank all of you for being with us today. We hope you have a good day, and we look forward to seeing you in the future. See you soon. Bye-bye.
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