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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Aug 30, 2018

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Cooper Companies, Inc. third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press star then zero on your touch-tone telephone. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Kim Duncan, Vice President, Investor Relations and Administration. Ma'am, you may begin.

Kim Duncan
VP of Investor Relations and Administration, The Cooper Companies

Good afternoon, and welcome to The Cooper Companies third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. During today's call, we will discuss the results included in the earnings release, along with the updated guidance, and then use the remaining time for Q&A. Our presenters on today's call are Al White, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Andrews, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements, including all revenues and earnings per share guidance and other statements regarding anticipated results of operations, market or regulatory conditions, and integration of any acquisitions, or their failure to achieve anticipated benefits. Forward-looking statements depend on assumptions, data, or methods that may be incorrect or imprecise and are subject to risks and uncertainties.

Events that could cause our actual results and future actions of the company to differ materially from those described in forward-looking statements are set forth under the caption Forward-Looking Statements in today's earnings release and are described in our SEC filings, including Cooper's Form 10-K, all of which are available on our website at coopercos.com. Should you have any additional questions following the call, please call our investor line at 925-460-3663, or email ir@coopercos.com. Now it's time to call over to Al for his opening remarks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Great. Thank you, Kim, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. We made a lot of progress this quarter, and I'm happy to say our strategic investments are paying off through accelerated revenue growth and strong momentum. As we continue driving success by capitalizing on current market conditions and our strong product portfolio, we have accelerated investment activity around several initiatives, including advertising and promotions associated with key accounts at CooperVision and ParaGard at CooperSurgical. We're confident this investment strategy will result in continued strong revenue growth. Regarding our third quarter consolidated financial results, we reported revenue of $660 million, up 19% year-over-year, which is an all-time high for the company. Non-GAAP earnings per share were $3, up 14% year-over-year.

Overall strength in revenues, gross margins, and a lower tax rate were offset by planned spending and incremental currency headwinds, including FX being $0.10 worse than we had forecast for the quarter. Looking at our two businesses, CooperVision posted record quarterly revenue of $489 million, up 12% or up 9% pro forma. We saw a noticeable uptick in our daily silicone hydrogel lenses with pro forma growth of 43%, driven by MyDay and clariti posting solid growth worldwide. CooperSurgical posted record revenues of $171 million, up 44% or up 6% pro forma, led by stronger than expected growth of 9% from ParaGard. Moving to the details. CooperVision posted solid revenue growth in all three regions, with the Americas up 8%, EMEA up 6%, and Asia Pac up 4%, all pro forma. 14%. The Americas strength was driven by a very strong quarter for clariti and MyDay.

In particular, the launch of MyDay toric is going extremely well, and we're seeing a halo effect on the sphere where MyDay sphere posted really strong results. EMEA posted solid results against a very challenging comp, with growth in the region driven by our full suite of silicone hydrogel products, including our dailies and our Biofinity and Avaira suite of products. Success was especially evident within our key accounts, where we have been heavily focused in gaining traction. Asia Pac continued posting very strong results, driven by our silicone hydrogel dailies and Biofinity. This is a fantastic growth region for us, and our investment strategies around key accounts, sales force expansion, and geographic expansion continue yielding a lot of success. Overall, Q3 was a very strong quarter for a number of reasons, and we expect this strength to continue based on our momentum.

On products, Biofinity and Avaira combined to grow 7% pro forma. Regarding Biofinity, we were slightly capacity constrained again this quarter, but have already added capacity and will be adding even more in the coming months. This capacity expansion will help the entire Biofinity franchise, but especially Biofinity Energys, where demand has exceeded supply as this new product has been more successful than expected. Regarding Avaira, total sales declined slightly, but the vitality upgrade is now finished outside of a few small markets where we're awaiting final regulatory approval. A nice takeaway is that we had growth outside the Americas, where we've generally been able to focus on selling rather than transitioning the product, and that's a good sign for future results. Turning to product categories, we remain the global leader in torics and multifocals and grew 9% and 10% respectively, pro forma.

Growth was driven by our silicone hydrogel lenses, including MyDay toric, which is being received extremely well in numerous markets, and clariti multifocal, which posted strong growth. Turning to the broader $8.3 billion soft contact lens market, we're continuing to see strong growth led by the shift to daily silicone hydrogel lenses, broader product offerings, and geographic expansion. Daily lenses continue to drive the majority of the growth, now accounting for roughly $4.3 billion or 51% of the overall market. Within dailies, it's no surprise that silicone hydrogel lenses are driving the majority of that growth. With respect to new fit data, CooperVision saw significant strength, with new fits solidly outpacing our market share, and this was especially true for silicone hydrogel dailies.

This strong new fit data is a great sign for continued robust growth and is a nice segue into a topic I want to spend a couple minutes on. That's key accounts. Key accounts is a general term we use, which includes global retailers, regional chains, and certain buying groups. This is a topic many of you have heard me discuss recently, as these accounts are growing faster than the overall market, and we expect that to continue as a sustainable long-term growth trend. As such, we have been proactively investing in this area, and our performance has been exceeding expectations, which is reflected in our revenue growth and strong new fit data. We further accelerated investments in this area in the third quarter, expanding our key account management sales and support teams, while increasing related promotional and advertising activity.

This is in conjunction with our heightened investment activity enhancing our distribution and packaging capabilities to improve our ability to provide customized product offerings. All this activity is focused on supporting our partners in shifting new wearers to CooperVision faster than in the past, as we look to capitalize on our robust portfolio of silicone hydrogel products and current market conditions. A key part of this strategy is remembering we operate in an annuity business, and while the upfront cost to win new patients will tail off, the revenue from these patients will continue for many years as new wearers stay with their lenses on average seven years. It's also important to add that the independent practitioner remains an important part of our business, and we will continue fully supporting this channel, including through our unique digital marketing and support platforms such as EyeCare Prime.

Given all this, we are more confident in our future revenue growth and are raising CooperVision's Q4 pro forma revenue growth guidance to 8%-10%. Moving to CooperSurgical. We reported quarterly revenue of $171 million, up 44% or 6% pro forma. This was driven by our office and surgical products, which grew 8% pro forma, led by ParaGard, up a healthy 9%. Regarding ParaGard, based on the momentum we've been seeing, we have increased promotional and advertising support and recently added a number of additional sales reps. We remain confident this product offers a high margin, multi-year growth opportunity and are investing accordingly. Outside of ParaGard, but still within office and surgical products, we had a very strong quarter with strength in several focused products, including our EndoSee hysteroscope and our next generation uterine manipulator, adding to some unexpectedly strong buy-in activity on some of our older products.

Meanwhile, fertility grew 4% pro forma, led by fertility solutions, which includes products such as media and medical devices growing double digits. This growth was offset by softness in our genomics business, where significant time was spent completing the transition away from carrier screening and NIPT. This process wasn't easy, but we moved quickly and are now returning our full focus to the IVF clinics, which is exactly where we want to be. We're a global leader in fertility, and our engagement with fertility clinics around the world is very strong. We offer market-leading products throughout our portfolio, including media, micropipettes, embryo transfer catheters, and certain genetic tests. This product portfolio has been growing nicely, which we expect to continue. In conclusion, I want to highlight that I'm really excited about our market positions for both CooperVision and CooperSurgical.

To summarize a few key points, CooperVision posted a very strong quarter with 9% pro forma growth, led by strength throughout the world, including a nice uptick in the Americas and very strong growth from our daily silicone hydrogel franchise. CooperSurgical posted pro forma growth of 6%, with strength seen in several areas, including ParaGard growing 9%. Given our strong product portfolios in both businesses, combined with current market dynamics, we are excited about the future and look forward to maintaining our strong momentum. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian.

Brian Andrews
CFO and Treasurer, The Cooper Companies

Thank you, Al. Good afternoon, everyone. Most of my commentary will be on a non-GAAP basis. Please refer to today's earnings release for a full reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP results. As Al mentioned, revenues were strong this quarter. Gross margins also showed nice improvement, increasing to 67.4% from 64.8% last year. CooperVision's gross margin was 65.9%, up from 65.5% last year. Improvement was seen from positive manufacturing efficiencies due to the higher volume moving through our plants and favorable product mix with Biofinity and the shift to Avaira Vitality being key drivers. This was partially offset by the negative impact of currency and a modest increase in rebate activity. CooperSurgical's gross margin improved significantly to 71.7%, up from 62.4%, driven by the addition of ParaGard.

Regarding expenses, consolidated operating expenses grew 20.8%, driven by advertising and promotion activity supporting key accounts and ParaGard, a 27% increase in R&D related to new product development work, including activity around myopia management. Operating income grew an impressive 27.5%, with operating margins improving to 27.8%, up from 25.9% last year. Below operating income, we reported $22.8 million of interest expense and an FX loss of $2.7 million from negative currency moves against our intercompany loans. Our effective tax rate was 6.2%, which was lower than expected, primarily due to the realization of investment credits associated with offshore manufacturing expansion and excess tax benefits related to stock-based compensation. Non-GAAP EPS for the quarter was $3, with roughly 49.7 million average shares outstanding. Within this, FX was $0.10 worse than we had forecasted.

We posted $183 million of free cash flow for the quarter, comprised of $235 million of operating cash flow, offset by $52 million of CapEx. Free cash flow is very strong, helped by improved working capital management, including executing on an advantageous receivables program. With the strong cash flow, we reduced total debt to $2.294 billion. Net debt declined to $2.146 billion. Our bank-defined leverage or net debt to adjusted EBITDA decreased to 2.45 times, which moved us a tier lower in the pricing grid, thus reducing our borrowing rate by 25 basis points. Regarding guidance. For fiscal Q4, we expect total company revenues in the range of $634 million-$649 million, including CooperVision revenues of $468 million-$477 million, up 8%-10% pro forma, CooperSurgical's revenue of $166 million-$172 million, up 3%-6% pro forma.

Non-GAAP EPS guidance is $2.90 to $3, assuming a roughly 8% effective tax rate. Within this, our FX assumptions from the time we provided guidance last quarter reduced revenue by roughly $10 million and reduced non-GAAP EPS by $0.13. On a full year basis, this translates to consolidated revenue guidance of $2.515 billion-$2.53 billion, with CooperVision at $1.869 billion-$1.878 billion and CooperSurgical at $646 million-$652 million. Full year non-GAAP EPS guidance is $11.55 to $11.65. Free cash flow is still expected to be around $423 million for the year. Regarding fiscal 2019 guidance, we're not going to get into details at this time other than to say that we're focused on driving strong revenue growth and low double-digit constant currency operating income growth. As is our practice, we'll provide full guidance on our December earnings call.

With that, I'll hand it back to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press the star then the number one key on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Again, that's star then one to ask a question. To prevent any background noise, we ask that you please place your line on mute once your question has been stated. In the interest of time, we do ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. One moment for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Johnson with Baird. Your line is now open.

Jeff Johnson
Analyst, Baird

Thank you. Good afternoon, guys. Can you hear me okay?

Brian Andrews
CFO and Treasurer, The Cooper Companies

Hey, Jeff. Yep.

Jeff Johnson
Analyst, Baird

All right, great. Al, I just want to dig into the key account commentary a little bit. I guess a couple of questions on that. One, breadth versus depth of those accounts, these investments in that. Have you won any new key accounts, any that you can talk about, versus how much are you going deeper, maybe capturing more business there? How much are the new distribution center capabilities? I think in Rochester, some of the new robotics and labeling stuff that you've been working on hasn't yet come on, or maybe it does here in the near term, but how much does that maybe set you up in the longer term to kind of win additional of that business or take even bigger share in those retail accounts and other key accounts?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, Jeff, good questions. On the first point on key accounts, we're talking about new business here. One of the things that's interesting is as we've done more work with what we're calling key accounts and some of the large retailers and other operations around the world, we've been winning new business there. When we go in and win business with a new account, that is frequently a multi-year contract. Some of those contracts are very large, and we're in the early stages of those contracts. When you win that kind of business and you get the opportunity, you have the chance to go in there and be aggressive and work with the partner in terms of increasing your advertising or your promotional activity with that partner to drive new wearers to your products faster. That's what we're talking about doing.

We're kind of in a unique opportunity here where we're winning some business. We've won business. We actually have some business opportunities that we're working on that we're pretty excited about. We're talking about executing upon contracts, and that's different than what we've discussed in the past. We've talked about adding sales force and putting more feet on the street. We've done that. Well, that's proven to be successful. Some of that success has resulted in some new multi-year contracts, and now we need to execute on that. Pretty excited about that, and it kind of props up our future revenue growth. If you look at the DCs, we have been doing a lot of work on that, you're exactly right, to really upgrade our distribution centers and our capabilities around labeling and packaging and shipping smaller units and so forth.

A lot of that activity is in process right now. We'll start that at the very beginning of this next fiscal year and kind of slowly roll that out through our distribution centers so we don't have shipping problems and so forth. You'll see that in the coming years. One of the things that you naturally get any time you're doing the kind of work we're doing in DCs, which includes

Opening brand new distribution centers, expanding distribution centers, and upgrading distribution centers is you build those out for future growth. You naturally end up with inefficiencies there because you have excess space or excess capabilities and so forth, and you grow into those over time. I think we're probably at that stage from a distribution perspective, where we're on the front side of that, and we're dealing with the burden of higher costs and so forth. As you said, or kind of alluded to, it positions us really well to be able to win these contracts and continue to be able to offer things to key accounts that they require in order to win bigger pieces of their business.

Jeff Johnson
Analyst, Baird

Yeah. I guess my follow-up on that would just be, if I look at your FX guidance, it looks like the cut you made to full year kind of fits perfectly with the $0.10 and the $0.13 that you're talking about as headwinds this quarter next. That would also mean none of the revenue upside, or at least the pro forma organic growth upside, is not flowing through to EPS. I would assume that's just, again, because you're reinvesting that, it's the DC investments, it's the promotional investments in the new key accounts, things like that. Is that the way to think about it, that just doesn't flow through because of those investments?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. FX kind of brought us back. We incorporated that. Our tax rate came in a little bit lower this quarter, and it looks like it'll be a little bit lighter. We are increasing our investments. Most of that stuff, the vast majority of those incremental investments are associated with winning wearers faster from contracts that we already have. I think that's a key point. This isn't about putting feet on the street hoping to win business. This is executing on business that we won. We're in a great position from a competitive standpoint of having products available, premier products available in the marketplace. We have the most robust silicone product portfolio in the market right now, and now's the time to be proactive and aggressive and capitalize on that.

Jeff Johnson
Analyst, Baird

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Larry Biegelsen
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Hey, Al, can you just clarify one thing in Jeff's question? Is FX $0.23 worse since last time, or is it $0.13 worse since last time?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

It's $0.10 worse in Q3 and $0.13 worse in Q4. $0.23 in the back half of the year, but a $0.10 and a $0.13 by quarter.

Larry Biegelsen
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Perfect. All right. For my questions, I wanted to focus on 2019 now. When you look at the full year 2018 guidance for Cooper overall, it's about 6%. It looks like pro forma CVI about 8%, but the second half is much stronger than the first half of the year. How should we think about the momentum into fiscal 2019? Should we be looking kind of at full year 2018 guidance as a jumping off point, or the second half of 2018 as a jumping off point? I did have one follow-up.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Well, I'll tell you, I look at it a little bit more as the second half of this year. We have good momentum in both businesses right now. We're investing accordingly to take advantage of that. I would anticipate you see that return, so to speak, starting to show up in revenues in fiscal 2019.

Larry Biegelsen
Analyst, Wells Fargo

That's helpful. Sticking with fiscal 2019, just turning to EPS. I heard the commentary there, but could you maybe quantify some of the headwinds? Tax, how do you see that sequentially at this point? Interest and FX. Can you just help us just refine some of the comments you made or Brian made in his prepared remarks versus how to think about earnings in 2019? Thanks for taking the questions.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. I think that if you look at headwinds, Brian was referring to operating income growth, we obviously have taxes. We're probably looking right now, I would say, at around an effective tax rate of, let's say, 14%, something like that with respect to next year. We'll fine tune that number as more tax information comes in and we do our work and so forth, so we can give you a better number in December. Right now, I think that's probably a fair number to plug in there. We're doing a great job on cash flow generation, so we'll be generating cash. We'll be focused from a capital perspective on kind of paying down debt, maybe looking at a couple small tuck-in acquisitions if we can find them, and some stock buybacks.

I think we'll get in a situation where debt reduction will help offset any future interest rate increases. We'll see how that plays out. Again, we'll have more color on that by the time we hit December. Then FX is always a little bit of the wild card. When I look at it, though, one of the points I think that's an important takeaway is we are doing incremental investments here in order to drive our revenue growth. As a company, we're still going to put up strong OI growth.

That's where we're going and saying, "Hey, guys, double-digit or low double-digit OI growth on a constant currency basis is something you can still expect from us, even with these enhanced investments." Next year, by nature, is a little bit more of a challenging year for us, if nothing else, just because of having to hurdle the big jump in the effective tax rate.

Larry Biegelsen
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lawrence Keusch with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Lawrence Keusch
Analyst, Raymond James

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Al, I just want to stay on the topic of the spending. Look, I think clearly the top line reflects a lot of the efforts here, and I think you've been, in fairness, suggesting that you were looking to invest more. I just want to be ultra clear as we think about this going forward, do you anticipate that you will be in investment spending mode here

For the next several quarters, I don't know if you want to think of it as you move into 2019. I guess the other part of that question is, there's a lot of proactive nature to this and focusing on the accounts, I'm also wondering if you're seeing anything out there in the marketplace that also suggests to you that you need to spend more to keep that top line engine going.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Larry, I would say probably a key point here is no, we're not seeing something out in the marketplace that's saying, Oh, we have to go spend a bunch more money in order to drive our growth or to keep a certain decent number. We're looking at it saying, from a market position where we are today with our products, and with our offerings, and our capabilities, we believe we're in a position right now where we can execute and take a lot of share. What I'm talking about is new wearers, new fits. That's what you're seeing. We're seeing that in the new fit data, which continues to be very strong for us. Our new fit data being solidly ahead of our market share. When I look at something like that, I say, Okay, new fit data coming in strong.

We're winning business from key accounts. We need to execute on that and take advantage of it and convert wearers. You convert a new wearer, and you spend a couple extra dollars to get that new wearer in, obviously, and you're promoting, you're working with your partner, you're making that happen. You have that wearer for a long period of time, as I mentioned, seven years on average, you're getting a fantastic return on that. Right now it's a matter of saying, hey, we can drive higher growth. You haven't seen CooperVision posting numbers like 9% pro forma growth in a long time. That's a really solid number. Our guidance for this quarter, 8%-10% pro forma growth, is a really solid guide. I look at this as, hey, we're investing and so forth, we've proven that it can be successful.

We just put up a good number in Q3. We're guiding to a good number, and we feel confident we're going to be able to put up good numbers. When you look at the future, we are working on other opportunities out there. Frankly, I hope we win those opportunities, and we continue to capitalize on them. You never know with the market. You have competitors, they come out with new products, and they do different things. When you have opportunities, you take advantage of the opportunities. To me, that's exactly where we're at right now.

Lawrence Keusch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, perfect. That makes a lot of sense. I guess, just the second question is, in Asia Pacific, which on a comp adjusted basis decelerated last quarter and then accelerated this quarter. Again, just thoughts on what's doing well there in Asia Pacific, because it feels very strong right now.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, the Asia Pacific region is strong. You're right on that. The thing I love about that region when you look at it is how diversified the growth is. We'll talk a lot in the Americas about the trade up to dailies and the trade up to daily silicones within that. You look at the Asia Pac region, we're getting growth from our full portfolio of products there. Daily silicones are doing really well. Our Biofinity is doing well. Even some of our traditional hydrogel products are doing well there. You're seeing diversified growth geographically, meaning there's a number of different countries that are driving growth there for us. You're seeing opportunities with some of the key accounts, some of the bigger chains and so forth there that we're getting in the door and having some opportunities with.

Keep in mind, we're under indexed in Asia Pac, we're investing there in order to be able to drive that growth. I think some people at certain points have thought that our investments in sales force expansion and so forth was really a U.S.-dominated theme, but it's not. It's also Asia Pacific, you're right, we do have a good runway there for many years of strong growth.

Lawrence Keusch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, terrific. Thanks, Al.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Block with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Jonathan Block
Analyst, Stifel

Great. Thanks, guys. Good afternoon. Just two relatively quick ones. The first one, I also want to go back to the key accounts and just flush out a couple of things. The margin profile, Al, of the key accounts, it seems like some of these wins are certainly helping to keep the top-line momentum, and we see that in your fiscal 4Q guide. On the margin side, is it really the upfront cost to win the business? Or is it the ongoing margin structure of the key accounts? Is that a bit lower due to the fact that they're larger accounts and maybe some price concessions? Maybe if you can flush that out a little bit.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

John, a lot of that is really upfront costs. What we're trying to do right now is change the way we've handled some of these opportunities from the past. If we had a similar opportunity with some of these key accounts, we would go in there and we would convert wearers to our products, working with our partner, trying to make that happen. At times, we would quote unquote, "tighten our belt," so to speak, because currency would move against us. That as an example, would mean pulling back on some of that activity. That would pull back on some growth opportunities, but it would put a little better earnings in the very near term to the bottom line. What we're talking about right now is saying, "Let's not react to short-term currency moves. Let's take advantage of the portfolio we have.

Let's invest those upfront dollars. Let's win those new wearers, and we'll keep those wearers for a long time." The returns are very strong on those. You'll see that in the outer years. There's not a situation here where the margins are worse. Each individual contract is different, but I would certainly not look at it as ongoing costs as much as I would look at it as upfront costs.

Jonathan Block
Analyst, Stifel

Okay. Got it. Arguably to your last point, those wins should start to pay off or materialize at some point, call it back half fiscal 2019 into fiscal 2020 is when we would see those returns really start to flush through the P&L more meaningfully.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, depending upon the timing of any other new contracts and so forth we won. I think that if revenues start to come down, then our profit situation will be better than what it would have been before the strategies being implemented.

Jonathan Block
Analyst, Stifel

Understood. Okay, just a quick shift over to the CSI part of the business, and more specifically, ParaGard. The rev's up 9%. I think last quarter was up 11, I believe. I think the nine was actually off of a difficult comp because of what went on right before you guys acquired the asset. Maybe just, Al, high-level thoughts, good return from the sales hires. Are you ready to go ahead and say, "Hey, this is a high single-digit growth or mid-single digit plus," or how do we view ParaGard longer term? Thanks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. Boy, the guys are doing a fantastic job there. I was impressed by that number, and continue to be impressed by the work that the team is doing there around ParaGard. I've seen some of the new advertising work, and I think it's spot on. I'm really excited about it and excited about the numbers. I still would probably temper some enthusiasm there. I think we'll probably get a mid-single digit, maybe strong mid-single digit kind of growth number in Q4. Probably thinking that product's been in the market a long time, maybe I'm being a little conservative thinking mid-single digits. It's a little tough one to answer, I don't want to get ahead of myself on that one, the numbers keep coming in pretty strong. For now, I would probably lean towards mid-single digits.

Frankly, if we can get mid-single digit growth out of that product, at the margins that it has and the cash flow that it throws off, we'd be really happy with that. If we can invest a little bit more and get that to be more sustainable, kind of upper mid-single digit or even into upper single digits, that would obviously be fantastic. We'll see how that plays out, pretty good results and pretty good momentum there right now.

Jonathan Block
Analyst, Stifel

Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Weinstein with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Brian Weinstein
Analyst, William Blair

Hey, guys, thanks for taking the question. Talking about the new fits, Al, in your comments that you're outpacing the market, can you give us an idea about what the share of new fits are, and specifically, where were you referring to that? Was that Americas? Was that worldwide? Is that within a specific product category or not?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, Brian. We get new fit data in different markets. A lot of that comes from the Americas here. What we try to do every single quarter, and we kind of have a standardized internal model on the new fit data, is look at all the data that we get here and from around the world, and we pull that together and say, "Okay, what's the trend behind that?" Now, it's not the best data in the world because there's some people who don't supply data, and you can only get so much information. Frankly, over the years, we've accumulated a pretty good internal model that shows what the new fit data is and on an overall basis, and then also down to some of the levels, like on dailies and even sub-levels, like daily silicones and so forth, where we get some decent information.

When I look at that, the strength overall, if I look at our overall new fit data strength, it's quite a bit. I'm not going to go into specific numbers, but it's a decent amount ahead of where our market share is. Again, another quarter in a row where we've seen that kind of strength, and we've really seen some robust improvements in the daily silicone hydrogel fitting side. When it comes to new fits, daily SiHys, that's where we're strongest, and that's where we're really trying to capitalize right now.

Brian Weinstein
Analyst, William Blair

Great. As a follow-up on the Biofinity constraints, what do you think that cost you in the quarter, and did you share that you thought that you would have those taken care of in the fourth quarter? I think I missed that comment. Thanks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. We have had a little bit of capacity issues with Biofinity, meaning demand has been ahead of supply. That was true a little bit last quarter. It was true again a decent part of this quarter. We have already added new production capabilities, so our capacity is up to the level right now that we need it to be. We are adding more Biofinity capacity in this quarter. We're in a pretty good situation in terms of now being able to meet the demand that's out there. I'm not going to quantify that other than to say it did impact us. It probably impacted, well, it did, I think, in my mind, impacted Biofinity Energys probably more than the rest of the Biofinity franchise, just in that product launch went really well.

People were excited about it, there was a lot of demand for that product, that kind of caused a little bit of a problem there. We obviously didn't get into it until really now because now we fixed the capacity problem. Now we're unconstrained, the team can go out there and aggressively sell Biofinity, including Biofinity Energys.

Brian Weinstein
Analyst, William Blair

Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joanne Wuensch with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Joanne Wuensch
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi, guys. Can you hear me okay?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yep.

Joanne Wuensch
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Wonderful. This is the first time, I think, in my memory, that I have heard you discuss the concept of key accounts and now investing them. I think this was asked previously, but I really want to make sure that we spend just a moment more on it. Is there a reason that this is being discussed at this stage? Is there something in the market? Is there something in your portfolio? Why is this coming up now?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Great question, Joanne. If you look at the marketplace over the years and where we've had a lot of strength, as you know, we've had a lot of that strength with independent practitioners, be that here in the U.S. or in different spots around the world. We've had a lot of success there. That links back to the broad product offering we have with torics and multifocals and specialty lenses and so forth. Once we completed the Sauflon acquisition and brought clariti in, we had a mass-market daily silicone hydrogel lens. Not only a sphere, but a toric and a multifocal, and a unique product that we're able to offer the marketplace. Not only can we offer it, we can make it. We have capacity, and we can expand capacity relatively easy.

That's allowed us to walk into a lot of these buying groups and these large retailers who are heavy on the daily side, where we've had historically a difficult time winning business, winning some of these big opportunities. You know what? We build out a sales team. We went in there, we tried to win some of those opportunities and say, "Hey, we're here. We have the products. We have some of the best products out in the marketplace. We can supply you. We don't have capacity issues. We're a market leader in terms of logistics and distribution. We can offer you unique capabilities in terms of labeling and packaging and so forth." That has been successful. That's been successful, there's always a little question mark around that about how are you going to do?

Well, you know that the CooperVision sales team, Dennis Murphy and team, have done an amazing job there, an amazing job. They've won some new opportunities. Once you get those opportunities, you try to take advantage of them. That's kind of a position we're in. We did start talking about it a little bit. It's just become more important now. Now it's driving up our revenue growth a little bit here in the nearer term. It's also driving up some of our advertising and promotional activity.

Joanne Wuensch
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, that's helpful. As a second question, I can't say it's a follow-up. I want to spend a little bit of time on foreign exchange because that's impacting the third quarter, all through your fourth quarter guide. Clearly is going to be there for 2019. Can you walk us through at today's rate, what type of impact do you think you will be seeing in 2019? Remind us of the impact on gross margins, because it seems to me it'll show up there also.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. We're not going to get into kind of those specific numbers as we move into next year. We'll go through guidance. We'll update guidance and so forth in December, incorporate current FX rates in there. You're right, that is something we have to deal with. It's a headwind out there. I think that one of the points I wanted to make, at least for next year, is on a constant currency basis, we still are planning on delivering low double-digit operating profit growth. We have some issues below the line there. We're still intent on driving that. You might say, "Okay, well, wait a minute. You guys are going to invest. You're going to have heightened investments. Fine, I'm okay with that because you're going to drive better revenue growth.

How are you going to drive double-digit OI growth in the face of some currency and so forth?" Well, we are anticipating gross margin expansion. We do have a lot more volume coming through the plants. For us, volume is a good thing. It drives down our unit cost. We have more efficiencies as we utilize equipment, utilize space, and so forth in manufacturing. I would say that versus maybe six months ago or something like that, probably when I look at fiscal 2019, a little bit better gross margin than what I was thinking we were going to do. Heightened expenses associated with that. Net still allowing us to deliver that double-digit constant currency, that OI growth.

Joanne Wuensch
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you very much.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Isaac Ro with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Isaac Ro
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good afternoon, guys. Thank you. Al, just want to follow up with another question on the efforts you're making here to push forward into the channel with marketing dollars. I'm interested in sort of the ways in which your go-to-market dollars have been allocated maybe differently this time around versus in the past, and whether that be, as you pointed out, some of the larger customers versus just different medium. I'm just kind of curious how the strategy here is different now than it would've been a couple of years ago and just trying to get a better vision for where those dollars are being spent.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, it's a good question, and probably an important one because when you look at some of our competitors in the marketplace and how we talk about advertising, promotional sales dollars, what we're talking about here is partner-related activity. That's not TV ads. We're not talking about, "Hey, we're going through a big strategic shift here, and we're going to have TV ads all over the place and ads all over in magazines and so forth." That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about doing what we've done well for many, many years, which is partner or work with our partners, be they independent practitioners or buying groups or retail operations and so forth, work closely with them to help them be successful. A lot of those contracts, a lot of the work we do has buying discounts.

the more a retailer buys from us, the lower their pricing is. We want to work with them on that. We want more wearers coming to us faster. We want them to have the opportunity to get better pricing. We try to link all that together and be a good partner with them. The activity we're talking about is investing in that sales side of that, the advertising, the promotional, trying to link that all together so we're a good partner with the big retailers. It's very similar to the advertising promotional sales work that we've done over the years.

Isaac Ro
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Makes sense. Just a quick follow-up on the surgical side. Could you maybe give us a bit of a sense of what's embedded in the guidance for the rest of the fiscal year as it relates to the impact of ParaGard? I think you talked a little bit about the long-term growth potential, but just trying to get a handle on kind of the next, whether it's three to six months, kind of what's a reasonable expectation as we exit the calendar year and start to benefit a little bit more from some of the marketing dollars you talked about.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. I would kind of think of ParaGard being somewhere around that $45 million number for Q4, which means our full year ParaGard number is a couple million dollars higher than what we thought it was going to be last quarter. If you look at that, you're probably talking somewhere in that kind of mid-ish, maybe mid to even to slightly upper kind of single digits. I think that's probably where we're going to come in in the fourth quarter here. Obviously, that can change a little bit. It's not that big of a product. The dollars aren't that big. If a little bit pushes into a quarter, that can swing it. I think we feel pretty good about that right now being at least a mid-single-digit grower.

Isaac Ro
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Jaffray. Your line is now open.

Matthew O'Brien
Analyst, Piper Jaffray

Thank you, and good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Just to put a maybe a little bit finer point, Al, on the outlook for the business next year. You've got currency going against you've got a higher tax rate, you're going to spend more money, which I think everybody understands. Is this a business that can have some EPS growth next year off of a really difficult comparison? Should we expect a big snapback in 2020 as maybe some of these investments wind down a bit?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, we'll see where FX ends up in December. But as of today, I would certainly anticipate EPS growth next year, that's for sure. We need to hurdle the tax rate, but outside of the tax rate, we're generating a lot of cash, and we'll be paying down some debt. Yeah. As of today, I don't know why we wouldn't be growing EPS year-over-year. If I looked at the following year, assuming similar tax rate, yeah, then you're going to see a much better fiscal 2020 EPS growth rate than you would see in fiscal 2019. That's true. I think that when you look at our tax structure and so forth too, obviously the tax rate is moving higher as part of tax reform.

We'll implement plans and strategies and so forth to do our best in terms of where we produce product and how we produce it and ship it and so forth to manage our tax structure. Yeah, I would expect growth rates to be a decent amount better in 2020. When I look at 2020, 2021 and so forth, these investments that we're doing right now should return pretty good numbers in those years. By the way, I don't want to go overboard here on these investments. When you look at it, our Q4 guidance that we're giving is adjusted down $0.13. That's the exact amount of FX hit that we're taking.

I don't want anyone to walk away from this call being like, "Oh my God, these guys are spending like crazy," or, "This is out of control," or something, because that's not the case at all. This spending is highly focused. It has return metrics associated with all of it. We're talking $ millions and millions here, certainly not $ tens of millions.

Matthew O'Brien
Analyst, Piper Jaffray

Got it. That's super helpful. As a follow-up, can you talk a little bit about the MyDay toric rollout, where you're at as far as rolling that out to your accounts? Sorry to do this to you a little bit just on the investment side again, but I think historically you've talked about getting to 30% market share here with some of these investments and these capabilities that you have now with Sauflon. Can we expect you getting to that metric faster, maybe by a year or two, or any kind of qualitative commentary would be helpful there. Thanks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

The MyDay toric rollout is going really well. We see that in many markets. We see it right here in the U.S. where that product is being received really well, and what's exciting about that is the halo effect that we're seeing on MyDay sphere, because that product had a really nice quarter. We're really excited about where MyDay's at right now and how that product's being received in the market, and it kind of confirms, if you will, the strategy that we've had about having a multi-pronged approach of a premium daily silicone, a mass market, and a more traditional hydrogel. We're in good shape on that. It's being received well. I'm really happy about that. Obviously saw the strong uptick in terms of daily silicone hydrogel numbers. I think that's good. I think you're kind of alluding to some past discussions.

In very general numbers, when you look at our market share and you kind of go, okay, you guys have a very strong 23% global market share, but you're in that 30% range for multifocals, and 30% range for Torics, and you're kind of in that 30% range for FRPs and so forth, and for silicones in general. We have been running at about 16% market share in dailies. That is improving. That's been true for a number of quarters. We actually moved up to 17% global market share in dailies this quarter. That number is accelerating. That is accelerating. As to when we move that up and get to the same level and take our total market share up towards 30%, we'll see when that happens, but based on where we are today and the momentum we have today, yes, you're right, that will happen faster.

Matthew O'Brien
Analyst, Piper Jaffray

Great. Thanks so much.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Mishan with KeyBank. Your line is now open.

Matthew Mishan
Analyst, KeyBank

Great. Thank you for taking the questions. Al, is it a fair assumption that over the next couple of years, MyDay, Acuvue Oasys, Dailies Total1, pretty much round out the full families of the daily SiHy's? Then traditionally, it's positive for the brands, but what do you think several brands doing it around the same time can do for the category?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

I think it's fantastic. I really do. You talk about a trade-up strategy that's great for the industry and great for the wearer. That is right where we're at right now, and we're still in the early innings of that. You want patients wearing daily lenses. That's what's best for the patient. For their eye health, it's best for them to wear daily lenses. Throw that lens out every day, put a fresh, clean one in every day. You want them wearing silicone hydrogel lenses for the oxygen permeability, the water content, the things we talk about in terms of the best combination of a lens that you can offer your patient. This is not only a situation where you have manufacturers offering premier products and it's good for the manufacturer. Well, it's good for the wearer also. This is good for the marketplace.

It's good for the health of people. It's good for manufacturers. The fact that you mentioned J&J and Alcon's products and ourselves as leading products in that space is, to me, fantastic, and we should all continue to push that and be successful with that strategy, and I think we will be.

Matthew Mishan
Analyst, KeyBank

Okay, got it. Just a follow-up. How should I think about the accounting for rebates? Is it a net number reflected in sales, or do you get the full benefit in sales with an offset in advertising and promotion?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. The rebates are a reduction in revenues.

Matthew Mishan
Analyst, KeyBank

Okay.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

That's taken as an immediate reduction in revenues in the quarter.

Matthew Mishan
Analyst, KeyBank

Okay. Excellent. Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robbie Marcus with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Speaker 17

Hi, this is Krishnan for Robbie. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe taking a look at the overall contact lens market, strong results obviously from you today at 9% pro forma and the competitors as well. Looks like that market has kind of ticked up to the 7% range above the historical 4%-6%. If you could maybe break it down for us, how much of that is attributed to same product pricing uplift? How much to geographic expansion, and then how much of that is from the shift of overall product mix to daily SiHy?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, you're exactly right. The market is stronger. There's different dynamics that are driving that strength by competitors. If you look at someone like J&J as an example, they're in a fantastic position, and I think those guys are doing a great job right now trading wearers up. I think they have a long road in front of them of success there, because I think they have a good team that's smart, that's doing a good job on that. I would envision they continue to be successful, driven by product trade-up. I've obviously talked about our situation of focusing on winning some new wearers and capitalizing on our product portfolio, which includes the high-end and the more mass market silicone. That is the driver of the market. That shift to dailies that we're talking about is the driver of the market.

Pricing, frankly at the end of the day, is relatively flat. You could look at list pricing and pricing out there and say, is it increasing? Yes, I would say it is increasing, but we've seen rebate activity also. We're starting to annualize that rebate activity, but rebate activity kind of offsetting that so that pricing would be relatively neutral. The other component, you're right, is geography. There is still some geographic expansion. The established markets are relatively flat from a wearer perspective, but when you go into Eastern Europe and you go into China and certain markets, emerging markets around the world, there's definitely still wearer expansion there. I wouldn't put a big part of the growth attributable to that, but that's certainly a consistent kind of underlying driver of growth.

Speaker 17

Great. Thanks. Maybe focusing in on the daily SiHy space, you have Bausch & Lomb launching their product into the space in Q4. What do you expect that to do? Obviously, you've seen accelerating results there, but do you see that as a benefit for all players in the market to help accelerate utilization there? Or could pricing get worse? Just kind of your high-level thoughts there.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't have much to say on that. I don't want to speculate on when Bausch is going to launch their product or how or where they're going to launch it, or what price they're going to launch it on. When information comes out on that, I'm happy to comment on it. For now, I'd say I'm not in a position to speculate or guess what's going to happen there.

Speaker 17

Okay. Maybe just one last one, kind of on a geographic perspective. I know that last quarter you mentioned that getting some of the gray market activity under control, you expected a deceleration in Europe going into the back half of the year. We actually saw acceleration across geographies in the quarter. Do you see that trend continuing into Q4? Any commentary on if and what type of gray market activity you're still seeing? Thanks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. The gray market activity, the team has done a really nice job of working through that. There's not a lot to discuss on that. I would say that, yeah, Europe had a good quarter, a very challenging comp. They certainly had a nice quarter. They have good momentum there. Mark Hardy runs that business over there. He's doing a really nice job over there, and I would expect that to continue. There's been a heavy focus there, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks on key accounts and success around key accounts, and we have good traction there. That's a region that links perfectly into the discussion we've been having on key accounts and why we're investing. I would envision that continues in Q4.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Petrone with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Anthony Petrone
Analyst, Jefferies

Thanks. Maybe, Al, just to jump back to key accounts for a moment there. Is there a way to maybe quantify what % of the global market actually runs through key accounts? You're 23% globally. As you invest in that part of the channel, what is sort of the upside potential maybe in share points or dollars over time once perhaps returns start coming in from these investments? I have a couple of follow-ups. Thanks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. The key account discussion is a tough one because it's a pretty long discussion. One of the issues that you have is key accounts are not all the same. You have some large retailers, some very large retailers, where the optometrist is essentially an independent optometrist. They're not an employee of the retailer, so they're renting space, so to speak, from the retailer. You go to the other extreme, where the optometrist is employed by the retailer themselves. Now, as you can imagine, if it's an employee relationship, there's a lot more influence by the corporate office than if there is an independent relationship. You also have buying groups and so forth in there. A large portion of the market is going to be related in some form to key accounts. I would say that's especially true because of buying groups.

When you get into places like the U.S., you talk about independent practitioners, there are not nearly as many true independent practitioners as there have been historically. The market is moving. That's why I talk about a long-term sustainable trend. The market is definitely moving to these buying groups and allowing people to work together and buy on volume, take advantage of store brands and special packaging and offering and so forth. Anything they can do to help lock down their customer. I guess just high end answer would be key accounts are pretty sizable part of the market, but again, much more complex than just a generic term.

Anthony Petrone
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah. The follow-up there will be just, from time to time, the businesses seem various different ebbs and flows within the distributor channel, and it seems like this is certainly a channel that's linked closely to distributors and different stocking levels and the like. Is there anything we should be looking out for as it relates to the level of stocking quarter in and quarter out as this process takes hold? Last, just your comments, Al, just as you're looking at 2019, just high level competitively, J&J obviously at their Analyst Day has an aggressive launch plan, and then Alcon CIBA should be spun at some point next year. Just any thoughts there? Thanks again.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. We have not seen anything in terms of stocking levels. I know that there's been some discussion kind of in prior quarters, prior years, certainly with us in prior quarters, in terms of some stocking, some up and downs associated with channel inventory levels. We haven't really seen anything on that. Ours have been fairly consistent here, so I wouldn't attribute anything either way to kind of channel inventory for us. On a go-forward basis, the way that we're handling these relationships, I would envision will not have situations where you get inventory or stocking levels moving up or down to a material level. If they do, we'll obviously communicate that as being part of the positive if it is, or part of the detriment if it goes the other way. We're pretty open and transparent on that and continue to be.

From a competitive standpoint, yeah, it's another one, like I said, on Bausch, it's a little tough on Alcon. I know there's rumblings out there about them launching a new product and about them spinning into their own standalone company, and Novartis doing that. I don't know, you guys, I'm not going to speculate on that one either. You guys probably have as much, if not more color than I do on some of that. J&J's been pretty public about wanting to grow the business, and I think that's fantastic, and I think they're going to continue to grow the business, and I think they're going to continue to put up good numbers. That's good. That's good for the entire industry.

Anthony Petrone
Analyst, Jefferies

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steve Willoughby with Cleveland Research. Your line is now open.

Steve Willoughby
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Hi, good evening. Two questions for you. I guess first, just regarding Brian's comments regarding 2019, in terms of low double-digit operating income growth excluding FX. I guess Al or Brian, just when I'm looking at it, tax rate going from 8% to 14%, given current FX rates, I'm looking at about an 8.5% headwind to EPS growth, which would then put potential earnings growth next year in kind of the low single-digit range versus the 7% current consensus. Just wondering if you had any comments on that, then I have a follow-up.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, Steve. I don't think you're too far off on that, frankly, at the end of the day. This is always a tough one, right? Currency moves and a significant part of our business is offshore, unlike some other medical device companies and so forth here. We have a large part of our business offshore, and it's growing nicely. We do get hit more by FX than other companies. We're in a little unique position because of our fiscal year that we do get hit by that tax rate. We'll obviously update for currency. We'll see where that stands in December. I think generally speaking, you're in the ballpark, yeah.

Steve Willoughby
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Thanks, Al.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah.

Steve Willoughby
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Just a second question, kind of a couple of parter here. I guess, given the conversation around key accounts and Joanne's comment that it's never really come up before. It seems like from my stance, key accounts as being sort of a focus of the company for much of the last decade, I'm just wondering kind of where new key account wins can come from.

Particularly given that you're really the only company that does private label in this space. Just wanted also to be clear, you're not really assuming any impact from any potential competitive launches, whether it's 1-800 Contacts, Bausch or Alcon, et cetera. Thanks, guys.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah. On competitive launches, for respect to this guidance, we're basically a month in, right? There's no launches out there. We have two more months. No, there's really nothing in there, obviously, for competitive launches other than what we know as of today. I'm not quite sure what to add outside of that. I know there's a lot of questions out there on a competitive standpoint, we're working with what we have. When you look at key accounts, Steve, yeah, we talked about key accounts in the context of kind of buying groups, in the context of working with some retailers. You talk about some that we've discussed in the past here in terms of Costco or somebody in terms of private label opportunities.

Where things have changed for us is our opportunity to go into these folks who, some of who we have a relationship with, and some of whom we have not had a relationship with, be able to go in and say, "We have market-leading daily silicone hydrogel products. We have capacity to be able to supply them." We have the logistics to be able to get them to you. We have the packaging and the labeling to be able to do something unique for you. We now have a sales team and efforts where we can promote and work with you to ensure the success of those. That is a different animal than what we've had in the past. Now, I know we've owned Sauflon for a few years. It's taken us a little while to get everything behind us.

It's taken us a little bit to get all of our distribution stuff cleaned up, going in the right direction, manufacturing, sales and marketing teams within key accounts and so forth. We're in that position, and we're doing really well, and we're investing there, and we're starting to reap the rewards of all that work.

Steve Willoughby
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Okay, thanks. Makes sense, Al. Appreciate it.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Okay, sure. Yep.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star then one to ask a question. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Lichtman with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Steven Lichtman
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thank you. Hi, guys. Al, you mentioned that the independent practitioner remains important even as you increase investments on key accounts. Just wondering from relative to investment dollars, is any of the work you're doing on key accounts coming from spend previously earmarked toward independent practitioners and you're shifting some resources, or is this all incremental investment?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

That's a great question. It would be incremental investments. When you look at the independent channel, we are continuing to invest there. I mentioned EyeCare Prime as an example, and if people aren't aware of that, I would encourage you to go look at the website for EyeCare Prime. That's a relationship management and marketing software tool that we offer to optometrists right now, and we have it in 12 countries, and we have over 45 million patients that we work with through that tool. That's kind of a unique offering, and we have other things like that. We are continuing to invest and be active with respect to independent practitioners. They're a core part of our business, and they're going to remain a core part of our business.

I would not want anybody to think that in any way we're not going to fully support our independent practitioner friends.

Steven Lichtman
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Got it. Al, you also mentioned potentially some tuck-in deals. Fair to say that M&A likely remains focused on the surgical side of the business, and what generally are your areas of focus as you look for some portfolio adds there?

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yeah, I'd say that with respect to M&A, we'll see if we can find stuff. I would say it's going to be smaller tuck-in stuff, whether that's vision or surgical. We've kind of done some small tuck-ins on both sides of those. We'll see if we can make something work there. If not, I don't mind paying down debt right now. That would be okay to do and to earmark dollars to share buybacks is something else I'm certainly comfortable with. I think we're in a rising rate environment when you start looking at saying a little different utilization of cash, maybe even historically, that makes a little bit of sense.

Steven Lichtman
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Got it. Thanks, Al.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. I am not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Albert White, President and CEO, for any closing remarks.

Al White
President and CEO, The Cooper Companies

Great, thank you. Well, thank you, everyone. Appreciate it. Obviously, if you have any questions or comments or anything, reach out to us through our investor relations group and be happy to connect on that and look forward to catching up with everybody again in equity conferences and so forth and then on our December earnings call. With that, we'll go ahead and end the call, operator. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program. You may all disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.