Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q4 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Thank you. I would now like to hand the conference over to your respective host, Mr.
Richard Galanti, CFO. Sir, you may begin.
Thank you, and good afternoon to everyone. I'll start by stating that these discussions will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events, results and or performance to differ materially from those indicated by such statements. The risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those outlined in today's call as well as other risks identified from time to time in the company's public statements and reports filed with the SEC. Forward looking statements speak only as of the date they are made, and the company does not undertake to update these statements, except as required by law.
In today's press release, we reported operating results for the Q4 fiscal year 2019, the 16 52 weeks ended September 1. Reported net income for the quarter was $1,090,000,000 or $2.47 a share. That compared to $1,043,000,000 a year ago or $2.36 a share. This year's Q4 was negatively impacted by $123,000,000 pretax reserve to SG and A or $96,000,000 after tax or $0.22 per share related to a product tax assessment. In terms of this $123,000,000 pretax reserve or charge to SG and A, last week we received an assessment related to certain product taxes.
It covered a 7.5 year period from January of 2,009 through July 2016. While we will be following a protest to this, a reserve for this assessment was recorded in the 4th quarter in accordance with U. S. GAAP. Excluding this reserve, Q4 2019 net income would have been $1,190,000,000 or 2.69 dollars a share, a 14% increase over last year's Q4.
Net sales for the quarter came in at $46,450,000,000 a 7% increase over the $43,410,000,000 last year. And for the entire fiscal year, net sales in fiscal 2019 came in at 149,350,000,000 dollars 7.9 percent increase over last year's 138,430,000,000 In terms of comp sales, as was reported in the release for the 16 week Q4, reported U. S. Was 6.2, excluding gas deflation, FX and revenue recognition, it was 5.2. Percent Canada reported 2.6 percent, ex deflation, FX and rev rec, 4.7 percent.
Other international reported 1.9 percent, ex those items, 5.0 percent. So total company, both for the 16 weeks with and without those items, was a 5.1%. E Commerce was a 19.8% reported comp and a 21.9% ex FX and revrec. In terms of the Q4 comp sales metrics, 4th quarter traffic or shopping frequency increased 3.7% worldwide and 3.6% in the U. S.
Weakening foreign currencies to the U. S. Dollar negatively impacted sales by about 60 basis points. Gas price deflation was a negative 50 basis points and rev rec benefited comp sales in the quarter by a +110. So those three things together essentially zeroed out.
Our average transaction or ticket during the fiscal quarter was up 1.4%, both with and without the impacts of gas, FX and rev rec. Next on the income statement, our membership fee income reported in the Q4 was $1,050,000,000 up $53,000,000 or 5.3 percent over last year's Q4, ex the impact of FX, the $53,000,000 increase would have been 58,000,000 or up 5.8%. During the Q4, the 23 month cycle to recognize the incremental P and L benefit of the fee increases that began in June of 2017 was completed and the impact in the Q4 results was almost 0, less than $1,000,000 benefit to the quarter. In terms of renewal rates, at Q4 end, our U. S.
And Canada membership renewal rate came in at 90.9%, up 2 10ths of a percent from 90.7% as of the end of the last quarter. And worldwide, the renewal rate was 88.4%, up from 88.3 percent a quarter ago, both of these figures all time size. In terms of number of members at Q4 and fiscal year end, we had 53,900,000 member households. That's up from a quarter ago of 53,100,000 and total cardholders at the end of the year $98,500,000 up from $97,200,000 at the end of Q3. During the quarter, we had 10 net new openings, 8 in the U.
S, 1 in the U. K, and our 1st warehouse opening in China and Shanghai. At 4th quarter end, paid executive memberships totaled $20,800,000 which was an increase during the quarter of $362,000 or $23,000 a week. In terms of going down the gross margin line, our reported gross margin in the 4th quarter was higher year over year by a reported 14 basis points and ex gas deflation and rev rec up by 20 basis points. As usual, I'll ask you to jot down a few items for explanation purposes.
In the Q4, you have 2 columns, both reported and then without gas deflation and rev rec. The line items would be the first line item would be merchandise, core merchandise. On a reported basis, year over year, it was down 8 basis points. Ex gas and rev rec, it was down 3 basis points. Ancillary businesses, up 29 basis points and ex those items up 31 basis points year over year.
2% reward, minus 3 and minus 4 basis points. Other, minus 4 and minus 4. If you add those up, you get the plus 14 basis points as reported and again, ex gas and rev rec up 20. Now in terms of the core merchandise component of gross margin, it was lower by 8 or might really lower by 3x gas and rev rec. Looking at the core merchandise categories in relation to their own sales or what we call core on core, margins year over year were higher by 4 basis points.
Subcategories within that, year over year in the Q4 showed increases in fresh and soft lines, partially offset by a little down year over year in hard lines with food and sundries being relatively flat year over year. Ancillary and other business, as mentioned, was higher by 29 basis points and 31 higher ex gas and rev rec. Mostly most of that was attributable to strong gasoline margins. Other was minus 4 in both columns. Moving to SG and A, I'll ask you to jot down the following.
Again, 2 columns reported ex deflation gas deflation and rev rec. Operations, plus 3 basis points and minus 2. So minus 2, meaning higher by 2. Central, minus 5 and minus 5 or higher by 5 stock compensation, plus 2 and plus 2, so lower by 2 basis points year over year And then other minus 27 and minus 27. And with that, you would get to the our reported SG and A percentage year over year being higher or worse by 27 basis points coming in at 10.09 percent of sales, up from 9.82% of sales a year ago.
Again, excluding the onetime items discussed earlier, the SG and A would have been flat year over year on a reported basis and ex gas and rev rec higher by 5. Now in terms of the components here, the core operations component excluding the impacts of gas and rev rec again was 2 basis points higher. This figure included the impact of the 2 wage increases that were taken in June of 2018 March of 2019, which essentially hit the year over year comparison by an estimated 5 basis points to 6 basis points in the quarter. We estimate that once the first one anniversaries now during the quarter, we estimate that the impact in Q1 and Q2 until that one anniversaries will be about a 3 to 4 basis point hit. Central was higher year over year by 5 basis points, both with and without gas and rev rec.
IT was the biggest driver of that increase. In terms of stock comp, again, that was helped that helped SG and A by 2 basis points. And again, lastly, as discussed earlier, they hit $123,000,000 hit to SG and A, this item accounts for the 27 basis point. Next on the income statement, pre opening expense. Preopening expense for the Q4 came in at $41,000,000 $10,000,000 higher than the $31,000,000 Q4 of last year.
This year in the Q4, we opened 12 we had 12 total openings, 10 net plus 2 relos. Total pre opening was up year over year primarily due to the pre opening costs related to our chicken plant in Nebraska. It's now open for business and we'll have an estimated 45 week ramp up to full production from the September 10th go live date. All told, reported operating income in Q4 increased 1% coming in at $1,463,000,000 this year compared to $1,446,000,000 last year. And again, excluding the one time item discussed earlier, operating income was up 9.7%.
Below the operating income line, interest expense was $3,000,000 lower or better year over year, coming in at $45,000,000 down from $48,000,000 a year earlier. And interest income and other for the quarter was higher or better by $23,000,000 year over year. Actual interest income was better by $15,000,000 combination of both higher invested cash balances and higher interest rates, with the balance of $8,000,000 positive variance, primarily favorable FX related items year over year. So overall, pretax income, again reported, including the one time item, was up 3% coming in at $1,492,000,000 this year, up from $1,449,000,000 last year. And again, excluding the one time SG and A charge discussed earlier, operating income would have been up about 11.5%.
In terms of income taxes, our tax rate in the 4th quarter came in at 25.7% compared to 27.4% in the 4th quarter a year ago. This quarter tax rate benefited from a few favorable discrete tax adjustments. A few other items of note. Again, in the Q4, as I mentioned, we opened 12 total locations net of relos to 10 net new locations. For the whole year, we opened 25 total locations, including 5 relocations, so a net increase of 20.
About 3 quarters of those were in the U. S. And a quarter of them international. At Q4 end, our square footage stood at 114,000,000 square feet. Regarding CapEx, fiscal 2019 total spend was right at $3,000,000,000 We'd estimate the CapEx for the upcoming year will be that or slightly above that, not that different than the past fiscal year.
In terms of stock buybacks in the Q4, we repurchased 52,000,000 shares, 194,000 shares at an average price per share of 26,808 dollars That brought the total year to $247,000,000 on 1,097,000,000 shares at an average price of $2.25.16 Moving on to a couple of other items of note. E Commerce, again, as mentioned, for the quarter on ex gas and rev rec was up 21.9%. We saw particularly strong growth during the quarter in what we call majors, electronics and appliances and the like. Total online grocery continues to grow at a very healthy clip, recognizing it's still pretty small. That both includes the 2 day as well as one day fresh with the help of Instacart.
Ecom, for the first time this past quarter, carried some new items like KitchenAid appliances and Weber Grills and several high quality beauty brands for the first time. In addition, we rolled out a few examples of what we if you've shopped in the warehouse, what we call merchandise roadshows, kind of a treasure hunt for the warehouses. Of those things are now being put online. We sold another large diamond ring during the quarter for $220,000 And we have upcoming e com sites planned for 2 new countries, Japan and Australia excuse me, Japan and Australia later this fiscal year, sometime mid fiscal year. In terms of the Costco app, we've started to add a few things to it, including the new it can be used as your digital membership card.
That was added in July. We now have over 2,500,000 activations during the quarter. Currently, the app allows in addition to digital membership and to register as well. If you view current gas prices, executive members can view their growth in their annual 2% executive member reward. We have a few things related to the pharmacy in terms of refilling and managing pharmacy prescriptions as well as being able to renew an upgrade and the beginnings of some new shopping lists and current promotional offerings.
I know plenty of additional enhancements are in the works and we'll continue to roll those out and more tie ins with Costco both in warehouse and online. I mentioned earlier that during quarter, we opened our first unit in China in the city of Minhang, part of Shanghai. That was on August 27 to great interest. Due to the overwhelming crowds, it was actually closed about 4 hours into the opening day. Subsequent to that, crowds have been well managed and sales have remained very strong over the past month.
We've had record sign ups there. I think it's been helped by the first one that we've opened there as well as the social media presence. We have over we currently have over 200,000 members signed up. Just to put that in perspective, worldwide, the average Costco, ones that have been open for months and ones that have been open for 35 years, all told have approximately 68,000 member households per location. Our next opening is planned for early 2021 and also in Shanghai in the area of Pudong.
In terms of tariffs, next item, a quick update. There continues to be a lot of moving parts and changes and a few increases along the way. A few comments, As you're probably aware, the first three lifts, which total about $250,000,000,000 of imports from China, includes things from water pitchers and air fryers to bicycles, to steel shelving, to furniture, to luggage, to shredders, to things like that. That's current those are currently being tariffed at 25 percent effective October 15, but we'll just have to wait and see. List 4A, which is about $110,000,000,000 and includes things like kitchenware and cookware and domestics, It includes TVs, although I don't think we source from there on that.
That started at 15% tariff on September 1, and we'll see where that goes. And then List 4B, which is an additional $155,000,000,000 worth of goods, including electronics, laptops, tablets, toys, small appliances, some apparel and footwear as well. That's currently planned to go to 15% tariff effective December 15. So again, we'll wait and see. Since the beginning of these tariffs over a year ago, we continue to be active in managing and where possible mitigating their impact.
Where we can, we accelerate shipments before tariff is being put into effect or is being planned for an increase in tariff percentage level. We are working with suppliers daily. We've gone to pretty much every supplier on every item to see what we can do to both reduce costs and figure out how to do that. In some cases, we've reduced our commitments on certain items and again based on the impact of what we expect. We've looked at alternative country sourcing where possible feasible, although again there's a limited amount of that ability to do that.
And we've taken advantage of lower pricing on a certain on a few U. S. Items that have not been impacted the other way. The exchange rate, by the way, between our 2 countries has helped a little bit, so all those things. As you might expect, it's all over the board.
Every item and every vendor is a little different. In some cases, we're able to hold off on some and some we're able to we need to push it forward and to pass it on. And we'll continue to pursue that. Overall, we think we're in a good position relative to retail overall, given our size and scale and our ability and relationships with our vendors. The last thing on tariffs, just another area of potential tariffs relates to yesterday's WTO announcement that the U.
S. Can legally impose tariffs of up to $7,500,000,000 in EU produced goods annually. Later yesterday, the USTR released a list of products it plans to target, with duties planning to take effect October 18. Some of the products included on the list include 25 percent duties, certain whiskeys and apparel items for the UK, various cheeses and olive oils from certain European countries and certain pork products, butter and yogurt from various European countries to name a few. So that's pretty much it in terms of what we have to say.
Lastly, in terms of upcoming releases, we will announce our September sales results for 5 weeks ending this coming Sunday, October 6, on Wednesday, October 9, after the market closes. With that, I'll open it up to questions and answer and turn it back to the operator. Thank you.
Thank you. We had your first question coming from the line of Michael Lasser from UBS. Your line is now live.
Good afternoon. Thanks a lot for taking my question. So you recently run a few promotions to drive membership growth. You've done this in the past periodically. Should we interpret this as any different than that, particularly given that you're now anniversarying all the benefits from the price increase, you get to say, well, you want to increase membership growth and so that's what's driving that decision.
How should we think about that?
No, I think as it relates to the one I think we've got currently underway, it's very similar to the 3 or 4 we've done over the last 3 years, 4 years, I think. And no real we try to put some time between them. We don't want to get people waiting for a promotional item, but they do work and they help. And I think the timing is just that, nothing beyond that. I don't anticipate us doing another one for a while as we haven't in the past.
Okay. That's very helpful. And then on your growth in China, did it surpass your expectations? And does that influence how many and how quickly you can expand in that country?
Well, clearly, it surpassed all of our very high expectations. That being said, we're pretty methodical when we go into a new country, wherever it is. And we opened 1 or 2 units to start with over the first year or 2 and go from there. A lot of it has to do with the fact of building the people structure within a country. While we have help from neighboring countries and other areas to start the process, you really want to build your supervisor and your functional managers in the country.
So if you had asked us before we even open the first one and felt positive it would be good, but who knew how good we do, how well we would do. Yes, how many we'd have 5 years hence. The answer would probably be the same as it is today. We'll open a couple in the 1st year or 2 and then open a couple of more perhaps and see where we go from there.
And we're
certainly pleased and excited about what we've seen, but maybe it gets a little bigger, but certainly nothing that we're going to be pretty methodical about it as we have in other countries.
Thank you very much and good luck.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Simeon Gutman from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live.
Hi, Richard. So on gross margin, it looked pretty solid. I want to make sure I heard properly, the core on core was up 4%, which I'd say looks pretty normal for you, up a little, down a little, which means that the reported, it sounds like the ancillary, the gas was a big piece of that. Can I ask you if the dynamics there I think over the past couple of years have improved in general? Are they still getting better or this was just pure market dynamics on the gas side?
I think the last few years not only for us but other big gas retailers, the supermarkets and the Walmarts, generally the new normal over the last couple of years has been better. Particularly for us, I think as prices historically have come down and some retailers bring them down a little and some a little more, it still giving us the ability to, in our view, to have improved margins and operations and probably show even a greater savings relative to what we had a few years ago. That being said, the quarter was good. There are a couple of quarters a few quarters back year over year, it was also good. It does fluctuate, but I'd say the new normal overall is on average better than it had been.
And the core on core was pretty normal for you as well?
The core on core? Well, yes, I don't think there was any big surprises there. We always tell you that when it's up a little year over year, maybe it will come down a little. When it's down a little, maybe it will come up a little bit. As it relates to the underlying factors of competition, we feel that we haven't seen any giant changes in the competitive landscape out there.
There's still a lot of competition and there's a lot of headlines out there, but at the end of the day, we're still pretty darn competitive ourselves.
Okay. And my follow-up is on the EBITDA growth. It looked like it came in high single digit like 9% -ish this year. And if you take the average over the last several years, it's come in around high single digit that range. As you look out to your next fiscal year, is there anything one way or the other that should impact that?
I think the consensus is modeling a lower rate. I know you don't comment on that, but it's been several years of a little bit outsized growth. So just curious if there's any big spending items, margin issues that we should think about as we model the next year?
There's lots of everything, Simeon. We really don't talk about the future. I mean, we certainly feel good about what we're doing merchandising wise. All retailers are impacted with tariffs right now. That's some of a little bit of an impact.
But beyond that, we feel good about what we've got going on in terms of opening up another 20 ish units next year and driving membership. We're certainly pleased with seeing our renewal rates continue to go in the higher direction and getting new members. So overall, we feel good, but we'll see.
Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of John Heinbockel from Guggenheim. Your line is now live.
Hey, Richard. Two questions on gas. One, I don't think you maybe I'm wrong. You guys think about an interaction between gas margin and core on core, right? Meaning if you're getting more margin at the pump in any given quarter, you can put that back a little bit into core on core.
Do you think about it that way? And then on gas, gallon growth, where is that now versus where it's been over the last year or 2?
Yes. Well, look, we don't in terms of the margin, if we're doing stronger than when do we can we be a little more competitive elsewhere? While not completely, I mean human nature dictates that sure, when things are going well in one area, you see what else you can do in another area. But I wouldn't say we don't manage it that way necessarily. As it relates to gallons, I think our gallons were up in the high singles?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So we continue to do in terms of gallon comps much stronger than the whole U.
S. Industry of gasoline.
And then secondly, what's your where do you stand now with the opening schedule for the year, maybe by geography and cadence? Is it I guess this past year was a little bit back end loaded and I guess it's the same in 2020?
Yes, probably so. We generally try to get things open before the holidays. So when things are if you miss the holiday, whether it's February or April or May, who cares as much, but you try to push them forward a little bit as you approach back to school Labor Day all the way through Christmas and New Year's. And so and I think the last the year before was the same way. We opened a disproportionate number of the locations in Q4.
So generally speaking, yes, I don't have a schedule in front of me exactly, but
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Christopher Horvers from JPMorgan. Your line is now live.
Thanks. Good evening. So one question ask you a question about average ticket growth ex FX and gas. If you take a look in August, that showed slowdown pretty sharply relative to the prior trend. So I wanted to pick out that a bit.
Is that a comparison? Is that a change in mix or perhaps lapping against some of the center aisle grocery price increases that the vendors started to put through last year? Is it investment in price? And so just want to get your thoughts on what's driving that and any thoughts on the outlook there?
Well, I think the prior if I'm not if I'm correct, I think the last in Q3, it was like 1.8 or 1.9 and this quarter is a 1.4. I don't have a good answer, a specific answer for you on that. It could be mix. It probably is mix, but I don't know off the top of my head.
Got it. And then on the tariffs, as you think about what's been passed through, how are peers acting? Are you seeing more are your peers taking a portfolio approach in terms of trying to keep price items at certain price points and then balancing out versus say less elastic items and how you're assessing the landscape on that side?
Yes. I could say to start with that we don't see any major competitive issues. Certainly, it's I personally think it's easier to manage some subset of our 3,800 total items that we sell at a given time and location versus retailers that's selling $501,000 to $150,000 items and they're dealing with categories. Certainly on bigger ticket items, it's harder. I mean, it's hard when it's a smaller ticket item, it might be easier to eat a little bit of it When it was something like furniture or lawn and garden, things like that, that's a little harder.
But overall we have a we generally feel pretty good about it. And we're by the way the other thing is we're an item driven business. I'm sure I don't have examples in front of me, but I'm sure there have been examples of items where if we weren't able to greatly mitigate or mitigate as best we can some of that tariff. In some cases, again, we would try to geographically move the item or source from another supplier. There are limits to what you can do on that.
But overall, I think we're able to decide not to sell something and put something else in place. I think that makes it a little easier for us relative to general merchandisers. But again, it impacts us all.
Got it. And then on the announcement last night, I mean, there's some items on there that stand out, olive oil and cheese. Can you talk about, particularly on the olive oil side, I imagine it might be the largest seller of olive oil in the United States. So can you talk about where you're sourcing there? Because I Spain covered, but Italy is not.
Yes. We source from several countries, including the ones that you just mentioned. But there'll be some impact.
Got it. And then I guess the last question is the money question here is another quarter down and we haven't had any announcement as to what you're going to do with the cash and the balance sheet that continues to build. So you can talk about what you talk about what your thought process is there? Has anything changed? Are you trying to keep dry powder for any particular reason?
Thanks very much.
Sure. Well, I don't think there's any dry powder M and A related dry powder. We really haven't or currently plan to do anything. We do have a total of $1,700,000,000 coming due in December February, dollars 1,200,000,000 then $500,000,000 I believe. And so we'll write we'll pay that down.
We are always asked about questions about the special dividend and our comments have been is that we've done 3 of them. They seem to have worked well and viewed positively. So in our back pocket, but they are special. And so we'll have to wait and see what we decide to do in the future. But there's nothing specific that we have planned.
Understood. Thanks very much.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Karen Short from Barclays. Your line is now live.
Hey, thanks very much. Just on operating profit growth, I mean it was so the 10% -ish growth, it was up $140,000,000 excluding the product tax assessment. But can you just give a little color on how much stronger year over year gas margins might have impacted that growth rate? Because I was kind of backing into about $150,000,000 in incremental dollars from better gas margins.
Well, we don't disclose the specifics. We don't disclose the specifics. But as I think I mentioned, I think it was Q2 year over year that we also had good gas margins. Certainly, that was a help to that. Okay.
But is that estimate like somewhere in the range? Or am I is it way too high?
We really don't Karen, we really don't go into that specific detail.
Okay. And then wondering if you could maybe give a little color in terms of elasticity and anything you could point to elasticity response with categories where you did raise prices?
Sure. I mean, generally speaking, the bigger the ticket item where you also have a good portion of the tariff impacts the price, raises the price. I mean, there was one these are this is an anecdotal example, but there was one category of those types of items that typically is up mid single digits year over year and instead was flat to down a couple of percent. And that is that included some price increases. So probably it was down 10% in units.
But that's a subset of a subset of a category. And so I don't want to suggest it was everything. And I've been given examples from our buyers where there have been items where we've essentially most of the tariff is reflected in a price increase and we sold just as many units as we thought we were going to previous to that. There's been others where we've the price increase tariff related less than half of the tariff went into a price increase if even that. And we saw you saw some unit reduction results.
So it really has been over the board. But generally speaking, the bigger the item when you take an item that retails for $9.99 and have to get it up forget even about $12.49 using a 25% example or be 25% of the cost. But nonetheless, first thing you try to do is get it to $11.99 and then go from there or $10.99 But it's really over the board. Net net net though, it's a slight negative impact.
Okay. And then I guess along those lines then, can you just maybe give a color on what inflation was at both, I guess, cost and at retail? And then if you could parse that out between consumables and non consumables?
It was very little. We've seen very little. You still see taking tariffs away for a second on electronics and things, you'll see some deflation. Overall, on consumables, it's been pretty much steady as she goes. One question I was asked earlier this week was about what's going on with the freight components.
And freight has actually improved a little bit year over year, still higher than it had been a few years ago. But overall, it's all in the soup here.
Okay, great. Thanks very much.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Chuck Grom from Gordon Haskett. Your line is now live.
Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, Richard. Just on the core on core between categories, a couple were up, hardlines was down, food and sundries, I think you said was relatively consistent year over year. Just can you dive into the Hardline compression and then also the change from last quarter on the Food and Sundries segment? Thanks.
Yes. A part of it is mix change. I mentioned earlier online, but also in store electronics and majors, those tend to be a little electronics tend to be a little lower margin business, but good growth still. Again, when I asked the $64,000 question of is it competition, we're not seeing a lot of big changes out there whether there's a lot of headlines with what's going on particularly on the food side, but we haven't seen any big changes.
Okay, fair enough. And then can you just remind us how you guys are thinking about the company's long term club growth potential, particularly here in the U. S? And if you're seeing any signs of saturation in any of your key markets, both domestically and internationally?
Well, by definition like in the U. S. And Canada, the rate of growth will slow down, but I would have said that 3 years ago with what we've done in the U. S. And Canada.
So we keep finding more opportunities, but over time it will slow down. We're also of course adding the business centers. We have, I think, 18 in the U. S. And 1 in Canada with our second coming shortly in Canada.
And so that will add a little bit to it. When asked recently, what do you guesstimate and it's truly guesstimate over the next 10 years on a base of what 540 ish in the U. S, maybe another 12 plus a year. Right now, it's been 15 a year. So it will come down a little bit.
In Canada, 1 plus a year. We thought we were saturated at 80 in Canada and now we have 101 or 2. And so that will keep increasing. Certainly, there will be more what I think the thing that we feel most comfortable saying is 5, 3 years from now, the penetration of the percentage of the total openings will certainly by that likely by that, if nothing is certain, be outside of the U. S.
And Canada.
Okay, great. And then just last question, online sales, I think are about 5% of total revenue. When you guys are analyzing shoppers that are using either Costco Grocery or Instacart, I'm curious if the purchases have replaced an in store trip. And I guess if you've analyzed how that could potentially impact your in store traffic over the next say 2 to 5 years? Thanks.
Look, it's still early. It's the 1st full year, I guess. Generally speaking, you see more shops overall, recognizing it's a little less when they're shopping online. And the net of the 2 is still a slight net positive to what we have seen before. But we have to be on the lookout is, does it replace a shop?
How many shops does it replace? And what we're seeing is, is you've got more somebody who's infilling, if you will, and maybe reducing their trips to the location a little bit. So I'd call it neutral to slightly good right now, but that doesn't who knows what happens tomorrow. So far, I mean, we feel good about that by the way, but we can't predict.
Right.
Okay.
I
think by the way, I think part of it also is, is when we've talked about as what I've talked about in the past is we use to communicate to our members aside from the traditional Costco connection and a lot of the emails. And the emails are not just for shopping online. The emails are talking about hot things that are happening in the warehouse while supplies last in some cases. And we've seen good examples of that that can help drive frequency into the warehouse or create a trips. And that along with gasoline, not every person that fills up with gas comes in.
I think about half do, a little over half do. Even if one of them is incremental, that's a positive. We don't check to see what that is. We're not asking it. But we know it's got to it can't hurt.
It's got to help. So we think that we're I think those are the types of things that have helped us continue to drive traffic into the buildings, which we want to do.
Makes sense. Thank you.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Scot Ciccarelli from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now live.
Good afternoon, guys. Scot Ciccarelli. Just a quick follow-up on Chuck's kind of store opening question. Do you have a plan for U. S.
Versus international store
openings for the current fiscal year? Yes. Openings for the current fiscal year?
Yes. I think U. S. Is still going to be a little more than half. I don't have a sheet in front of me.
A little more than half.
Okay, that's good enough. And then Richard, when you guys bring popular brand name products where there's a lot of price transparency, you mentioned Weber Grills on the call under your website. How are you guys trying to target your pricing on those kinds of products where they can be found in lots of different spots? You guys have always been price competitive, of course, but can you provide any color on kind of how you're thinking about kind of price gaps when you've got obviously the home improvement guys out there, Amazon Marketplace, etcetera?
Yes. Look, I mean, we want to be in the lowest priced and we're going to go as low as we can and feel good about. In some instances, we bundle, so we create a value that includes perhaps accessories with the item or an extra whatever. And but these are real value. I mean real items that have a value to it and to show an even greater savings.
And we've done that on all kinds of things, whether it's computers or big appliances.
And by
the way, I think that a lot of times competitive pricing tends to be on some of the entry level that would just see advertised, if you will. And then consumers generally trade themselves up to the with all the extra accessories and what have you. And that's where we continue to show good savings too. I mean, we look at some of those big ticket items and we they're pretty very strong savings to traditional.
Got it. Thank you.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Bobby Griffin from Raymond James. Your line is now live.
Yes. Good afternoon, Richard and everybody else. Thank you for taking my questions. First, I just wanted to go back to the grocery delivery and some of the initiatives that have been rolled out here in the U. S.
Have those been rolled out to some of your other international markets that you're operating e commerce sites in?
Yes. Canada now, we've rolled it out in Canada with some help from others. And we would look to do it in a few other countries, but we haven't said when and where, but in short order.
Okay. So sometime in is it safe to assume sometime in FY 2020?
In FY 2020, yes. Starting with the 2 day, which is easier, 2 day dry. But in Canada, we're doing 1 day fresh as well. We'll be doing one day fresh, but we're not doing it yet. Okay.
We're
doing 2 day dry up there already.
Okay. I appreciate that. And I guess lastly for me, I just want to touch on working capital continues to be impressive with payables, lip synced over 102% of inventory now. How much more room do you think you have in that as we model out forward? And is there any one time items there that are driving some of the performance that we got to keep in mind?
Well, there are seasonal issues. Our Q1 ends right around Thanksgiving time. And that's generally when it's the highest payables as a percent of inventories. The I think generally the low point is Q2, mid February when sales are a little softer on a seasonal basis. Other than that, if anything, we as we built out e com and have more inventory in there, And I want to make sure we're trying to grow it and that actually probably impacts it a little negatively, notwithstanding the fact that it's currently a very strong number.
We also have some programs where ideally sometimes you'll have vendors, usually smaller vendors that even though we and they have negotiated extended terms in some cases, particularly on some seasonal items or stuff that's coming in a few months since. Sometimes if they need working capital, it's a good rate of return for us to pay early, if you will. Which is called anticipation. These are not big numbers, but those impacted a little bit that would reduce it. So overall, I'd probably look at what those percentages were at each of quarter ends for the last few years and assume it's not that different.
Okay. I appreciate it.
That's the best guess.
Yes. I appreciate the detail. Best of luck this fiscal year. Thank you.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Chris Mandeville from Jefferies. Your line is now live.
Hey, good evening, guys. This is Jeff on the line Chris. Just a quick question. You touched on it just a little bit within the topic of tariffs. Just wanted to know your general temperature check on the consumer.
It sounds like they are responding in some ways with big ticket items like you said with price increases. But in general, what's your feeling on how the consumer is reacting, just given both tariff politics and geopolitical concerns and stuff of that
nature? I think our numbers speak in the sense that we're still seeing good growth, certainly very good renewal rates, good results at openings. So we feel pretty good about it. Now if you ask me how does that relate to consumer, who the heck knows? I think if we all turned off the television and stopped listening to everything every day, we'd all be better.
Got it. Thank you.
I think we're also everybody's a little desensitized to everything.
Right. I understand. Thank you very much.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Oliver Chen from Cowen and Company. Your line is now live.
Hi, thanks. Congrats on the progress on Diamonds as well. Regarding the digital execution, the mobile app development has been really progressive. What are your thoughts on the biggest needle movers there? And as you think across digital, whether that be adding new product or improving checkout and search or your new DC, how would you prioritize the bigger drivers for traffic and growth at large?
Well, I think first of all as it relates to the app just getting more people on it. I mentioned there's about $2,500,000 since we improved it. There's still a lot of work to be done to add things to it. But that was like since July. I think we have over 10,000,000 members on the app.
One of the other things was just getting e mail addresses for everybody. You guys who've known us for a long time, we were a little later to the game than others in terms of even collecting email addresses years ago. And we've had a big push in the last couple of years. And we've dramatically increased the number of members where we have good e mail addresses. Now that sounds simple and why should we do that?
I can only tell you we are and that's helping. We're getting more people. We're getting more people to open the emails and to click on things. And so and I think one of the things I've talked about in the past, we still have these different buckets of money, starting with the improvement from the credit card transition a couple of years ago, the membership fee increase, tax reform, all these things have helped. And as you know, we take that and make it a better value for the member.
And I think that's helped us, whether it's buyers' hot buys and wow items. And I think that's given us a little bit of a leg up over the last couple of years in terms of helping achieve the numbers that we have. So I think more connection to the member is going to help. Certainly, there's no slowdown in renewal rates. That's been good to us.
Beyond that, it's what we see every 4 weeks at our budget meeting from the buyers, new and exciting stuff, constantly improving existing items. There are a number of examples of whether KS items, what we continue to improve the item and lower the price point while an improved item and therefore increase the value dramatically. There's looking at exciting items not just for us in the U. S. To to these other countries, but also to take some exciting items from other countries and bring them to other parts of Costco.
So I think when I think about from a merchandising standpoint, we're at the top of our game in a lot of things. On the efficiency side, we've got a lot of expenses going on. We talked about e comm fulfillment. There's costs associated with that as we do that. There's IT in general with everything that we've got going on, whether it's e commerce or fulfillment and depot infrastructure, the new poultry complex.
So there's lots of things that are in our numbers in terms of expenses as well and that we've done pretty well. So we'll I think we keep doing the kinds of things that we're doing as it relates to global sourcing and in some cases some vertical integration, but ultimately just driving more value.
Thanks Richard. And you've done a good job managing those digital margins overall. As you pursue the right kind of fulfillment options and supply chain and getting the smaller packages to customers with speed, What are your thoughts on those investments and how they align with what customers are looking for with speed of delivery? Well,
we're not going to be you're not going to be able to order something and we'll drop it off an hour later anytime soon. For us, first order of improvement was I can remember it wasn't that long ago where online particularly on a big ticket item, big physical item as well. It's expected delivery time 3 to 5 weeks. And now it's 3 to 5 days and certain items with vendors are now on, you can actually schedule delivery and installation. So tires is a great example as well.
It used to be with those online now, you can actually order them and have them and schedule your appointment at the warehouse where you're shopping at. These are all basic things, but things that we had done for a long time. So I think you'll see continued improvement in that. And none of it's easy and it all costs more than you think, but those are in our numbers.
And finally, you've really had good momentum, including with diamonds at Costco and the big ticket sales of diamonds. What's your strategy with that business? And how has it been going? Any things we should think about?
Look, I mean, it starts with great quality and great value. Those are the one of the things I think that has helped on that's the jewelry area is a good example with the lockers that we're now rolling out to a number of locations. A lot of people on high value small size items, they can't ship it to their place of work and they don't want to leave it at their front porch. And so we saw an uptick of some of those items and some other items like handbags and a limited number of electronics. But as it relates to jewelry overall, I know we've got a lot of process because I had mentioned a $400,000 diamond a couple of quarters ago.
We're selling close to 200,000 carats of diamonds a year. That's a lot of carats. And so jewelry business is it's one of the things that hits you just past the electronics when you typically walk into a Costco and it's all about value and trust.
Thank you. Best regards.
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Robbie Ohmes from Bank of America. Your line is now live.
Hey, Richard. Thanks for taking my questions. One question I'm getting is just a lot on the chicken plant. Can you just sort of let us know how that is going so far versus expectations? And also was it about $10,000,000 of the preopening expense this quarter?
And how does it affect preopening going forward? And maybe related to chicken plants, are there any other types of vertical integration, things that you might be looking out to do further?
Well, look, this is a big plant. I think it's the most state of the art plant that I understand in the country. It's going to be very efficient, but it's going to take close to a year to get to full production. The 1st several weeks have gone as planned in terms of the first chicken went through and more each day. And but you're going to get up to 2,000,000 processing of 2,000,000,000 birds a year.
I'm sorry, 2,000,000 birds a week in about 40 more weeks. The preopening stopped effectively when we opened it on September 10. So a little bit if you want, but not like that big amount. But it's a huge facility and it's also air chilled. About 95% of U.
S. Poultry plants are still water chilled. So all the issues in terms, it's considered a very high quality food item and allows us to deliver that while doing a lot of things for the environment as well. So there's a lot of good things. It doesn't come without a cost.
It was a big investment for us and we'll know more in a year, but we're excited about it. Other things, we had a year ago, we added a second meat plant. We've had 1 in Tracy, California for many years. We opened 1 in Morris, Illinois. We also, as you know, opened a bakery commissary in Canada.
We'll also serve much of the United States in terms of things like cookie dough and croissants ready to make off on premise. We're looking at a variety of greenhouse opportunities. There's a lot of technology and new things going on in the area of agriculture. Wouldn't it be nice to greatly lower the price of not having to airship things to Hawaii, as well as being closer to the market and being better for the environment. So I think given our size and given some of the things that are going on, we're going to hopefully benefit from that.
But that's other than that, there's nothing else I don't think we've got planned in a big way. But I would say beyond the couple of things I mentioned in the last year and a half and certainly this new chicken plant, a few things on the greenhouse side, but not the type of capital investment required that was done in the poultry complex.
Got it. That's great. Thanks Richard.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Michael Montani from Evercore ISI. Your line is now live.
Hi, Richard. Thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to ask for an update on executive program rollout. If you can just remind us kind of which countries have it now and which ones might be slated to get it next?
Well, we have it in U. S, Canada, Mexico, U. K, Korea and Japan. Just rolled it out. And we just started we just rolled it out this month in Japan.
Korea, we rolled out about a year, year and a half ago. A year ago. A year
ago. Okay, great. One housekeeping one, if I could, is around gasoline. Can you give us a sense, I've been thinking that was around 10%, 11% of sales for the quarter? And also what was the ASP for gasoline this quarter?
294 versus 305 a year ago.
Okay. And the last thing that I had was on CityVisa, can you give us an update just on how many members have that now and what you're seeing in terms of 3rd party spend, just how it's progressing?
I don't have those numbers in front of us. I can tell you we continue to add new members. We continue to the average reward per existing credit card holder on the Citi Visa card continues to increase. The rewards are substantial and it's really working well as probably better than we had originally had hoped and it's done well for us and hopefully our partners.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Kelly Bania from BMO Capital. Your line is now
live. Hi, good evening. Thanks for fitting me in, Richard. Just wanted to go back to the store potential question really in the U. S.
I think it was a few years ago that you noted you were able to kind of go into some smaller communities than you maybe originally thought. And so just curious as you think about the next couple of years, what kind of size and demographics of the communities are you looking at and planning for new clubs? And also when you go back to the saturation question and think about how do you analyze when you think you are at saturation? What are some of the key metrics that you look at? Is it the pace of the ramp in terms of sales, the cannibalization of members?
Or just any help on how you guys think about analyzing that?
30 years ago, I think the view was as you need about 500,000 people in the trade area plus certain number of businesses and all that kind of stuff. Today that number is going to be as low as 200,000 sometimes. It depends. Some of the smaller and medium markets we've gone into in the last few years, generally are markets where our competition our direct competitors were in many cases for 20 or 30 years and we had just never gone there. We've gotten probably a little more confident that when we go in there's room for both of us and we've done relatively well.
I think the other thing is if you look back over the last few years and my guess is in the upcoming years, there'll be some infill opportunities. I've used the example on calls on the east side of Seattle and the Bellevue side of Seattle, where historically we had 3 locations, Esquatch, Kirkland and Woodinville. About 2 years ago, we opened in Redmond. And we only added, let's say, in those three locations had about 190 ish 1,000 members between them households, so 60,000, 65,000 each. We only added about 10,000 new members in the next year, but you had a lot of loyal members that started shopping more frequently because we were closer to them.
Part of that comes when you have high volume. In those in that example, I think, as before we opened that 4th location on this side of Seattle, we had, I think, over $800,000,000 aggregate sales, 1 in the lower 3s and the other 2 in the mid to high 2s. And when you get to that level, that gives you a little more comfort that you can afford a little cannibalization. In that example, I think in the 1st year, net cannibalization, we did $120,000,000 plus of business, dollars 120,000,000 $130,000,000 of business. So it's pretty easy to estimate and guesstimate what you think you could do, particularly when you have a loyal membership base.
And then there are other markets like if you look at the Greater Los Angeles market, I'm talking greater geographic market, I think we probably have 60 ish roughly 60 units. The view is, is we can have another 15, but they're all very specific geographies, which are not quite impossible but very difficult. And we'd be thrilled to get one of those 15 open every couple of years, but you don't know if that can happen. So I think it's all over the board in terms of smaller trade areas, markets where our competition has been and we are just entering and then continued expansion in infills.
Okay. That's helpful. And maybe just another one on click and collect and how that's going and maybe what you're learning from a logistics and labor perspective, as you do that for some of the big ticket items? And then any changes or thoughts with respect to broadening that to some other categories like grocery, which I realize are more maybe complicated and labor intensive?
Yes. I don't see us going too deep. I mean, we talked about tires at pharmacy and jewelry, handbags, computers, high value small size items for the time being.
Okay, thanks.
Yes.
Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Laura Champine from Loop Capital. Your line is now live.
Thanks for taking my question. It's just a quick one on inventory. Your inventory receipts looks like were grew a little less rapidly than they have in prior quarters and also relative to sales growth. So just wanted to get a sense of why you might have cut your ordering and whether that has any whether that reflects on your thoughts on our current quarter sales trends?
Really built up as an example, in It might be that we've really built up, as an example, increased year over year, inventory online inventories related to our e com, and things like that. But that's happened maybe less of that happened in this quarter. We've kind of cycled that for a year, I'm guessing. Other than that, there's nothing big to read into that.
Understood. Thank you.
Why don't we take 2 more questions?
Thank you. Your next question coming from the line of Rupesh Pareek from Oppenheimer. Your line is now live.
Good afternoon. It's actually Erica Eiler on for Rupesh. So I just had one quick question just flipping back to international. So when you look at a market like China, when do you typically see an inflection point and profitability in those clubs?
Well, at the club level, it could be the 1st year or a few years down the road. You've got a big central expense. You've geared up whether you have one location or 10, there's not a big change, a huge change in the cost of a central with buyers and operations people and accounting department and the like. I mean it will grow some, but not nearly from 1 to 10. And so it depends on the country.
Usually it can be year 4 or 5. I think in Japan, which is now 20 ish years old. Our original budget was to open 5 in 5 years and turn the quarter to profitability towards the end of year 5. I think we hit profitability near the end of year 4 and we opened 6. So, but that's probably a good guesstimate.
It's probably going to be a slower in a country like France where it took us 10 years to get one opened. And while we're just looking for additional sites, it still could be a couple of years out. So you're not going to go from 1 to 5 in 5 years. But that's going to happen. We're going to have a mix of those.
Okay, great. That's super helpful. Thank you. We have your next question coming from the line of Chuck Cerankoike from Northcoast Research. Your line is now live.
Good evening, Richard. One housekeeping question. Can you talk about that tax reserve on the product? What drove that? Was that an excise tax kind of thing?
It was an assessment on a tax that some authority felt we should have been collecting. And we're going to get a file of PROS test and see how much, but I can't really talk to him a lot about it yet. All right. But again, it relates to a 7, I think, 7.5 year period that ended in 2016 that we were just notified of the formal assessment. And again, under GAAP accounting, we reserved for it.
Okay. And then looking at the tariff situation, could that be an impetus to put use private label sourcing on more products as a result to get the price down? And in general, what are you thinking about for new categories, new items for private label in the coming fiscal year?
Yes, not really for tariffs. First of all, some of our private label items are sourced out of China as well. So it's going to impact everybody. And then nothing changes quickly overnight. In terms of KS items, I think that you have seen late and you will continue to see a variety of items.
I mean recent introductions are things like all kinds of specialty waters, essence waters, extra virgin olive oil that may have some impact on tariffs, chocolate chips, I'm just looking down the list here, several apparel items for men, women and children, more housewares. So I think you're going to continue to see that grow and raise the quality further of existing items, continue that continuous improvement cycle. You're going to see that on some frozen food items, diapers. I'm just looking down my list here, soaps, coffee pods. We've taken the KS coffee pod, which I think 3 or 4 years ago, we went to fair trade.
Since then, we it's now organic and recyclable and we've lowered the price by over 10% to the customer, while improving, if you will, the value and the quality and it's driving more sales. So again, there's lack of little things as regards to the types of items and what we're doing there.
All right. Thank you. Good luck for next year or this year.
Thank you. I think that's it. Well, thank you, everyone. And the group here will be around if there's any additional questions. Have a good day.
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