Welcome to the Dominion Energy 4th Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, each of your line is in a listen only mode. At the conclusion of today's presentation, we will open the floor for questions. Instructions will be given for the procedure to follow if you would like to ask a question. I would now like to turn the call over to Stephen Rich, Vice President, Investor Relations.
Good morning, and thank you for joining today's call. Earnings materials, including today's prepared remarks, may contain forward looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Please
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filings, including our most recent Annual Reports on Form 10 ks and our quarterly reports on Form 10 Q for a discussion of factors that may cause results to differ from management's estimates and expectations. This morning, we'll discuss some measures of our company's performance that differ from those recognized by GAAP. Reconciliation of our non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, which we can calculate, are contained in the earnings release kit. I encourage you to visit our Investor Relations website to review webcast slides as well as the earnings release kit. Joining today's call are Tom Farrell, Executive Chairman Bob Blue, President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Chapman, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and other members of the executive management team.
I will now turn the call over to Tom.
Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. I want to start by outlining Dominion Energy's compelling shareholder return proposition. We expect to grow our earnings per share by 6.5% per year through at least 2025, supported by our updated $32,000,000,000 5 year capital growth plan. We offer an attractive dividend yield of approximately 3.5%, reflecting a target payout ratio of 65% and an expected long term dividend per share growth rate of 6%. This resulting 10% total shareholder return proposition is combined with an industry leading ESG profile characterized by what we believe is the largest regulated decarbonization investment opportunity in the country.
We plan to invest tens of 1,000,000,000 of dollars over the next several years to the benefit of the environment, our customers, our communities and our local economies. Our strategy is anchored on a pure play state regulated utility operating profile that centers around 5 premier states as shown on Slide 5. All share the philosophy that a common sense approach to energy policy and regulation puts a priority on safety, reliability, affordability and increasingly sustainability. These states also strive to create environments that promote sensible economic growth, which like the rising tide lifts all boats. For instance, 3 of these
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these state jurisdictions rank consistently in the top 4 best states for business as determined by independent analysis carried out by CNBC and by Forbes. Our state regulated utility model offers investors increased predictability and is enhanced by our concentration in these fast growing, constructive and business friendly states. Turning to Slide 6. Dominion is a purpose driven company and has adopted a comprehensive stakeholder approach. We are driven by the belief that the world's best companies consider the interest not just of investors, but also employees, customers and communities and the well-being of the environment.
Our actions are grounded in adherence to our 5 core values and we embrace transparency and stakeholder engagement as hallmarks of responsible corporate citizenship. The well-being of our over 17,000 employees is critical to our long term success and there is no measure more important to our company than the safety performance of our employees. 2020 represented by a wide margin, the safest year of operations in the history of our company as depicted on Slide 7. This result did not happen overnight. As you can see, it takes years of dedicated effort to drive sustainable and improvement.
I congratulate my colleagues on this significant achievement. Turning now to our customers and communities. We believe that it is not enough that we provide energy safely. We must also provide energy that is affordable. We are pleased that residential rates at our 2 electric utilities compare favorably to state, national and where applicable, RGGI state averages.
Looking forward, we expect our customer rates to be very competitive even as we invest heavily to transform our systems' carbon footprint. Bob will address this more comprehensively in his remarks. With regard to our community initiatives during 2020, which are described on Slide 8. First, the impact of COVID-nineteen on our customers during 2020 was obviously significant, which is why we voluntarily took immediate action at the onset of the pandemic to suspend service disconnections. In doing this, we avoided what otherwise would have been disconnection of over 255,000 customer accounts.
We also developed extended and flexible payment plans, resulting in over 330,000 enrollments. And we contributed $18,000,000 toward direct energy assistance for our most of customer arrears. We also agreed to a pause in our South Carolina rate case proceeding, ensuring that the results of that case will not impact customers until late this year. 2nd, we built on our long standing legacy of supporting social equity by committing $25,000,000 to 11 Historically Black Colleges and Universities, funding an additional $10,000,000 for scholarships for underrepresented minority groups and creating a $5,000,000 social justice fund that supports community efforts to address the impacts of racism. This is in addition to the diversity and inclusion initiatives within our company that Bob will address.
As you can tell, we are extremely proud of these accomplishments. And I thank all of my Dominion Energy colleagues who contributed to these successes in what was obviously an extraordinarily challenging year. Turning now to Slide 9. We have rolled forward our 5 year capital growth plan to capture the years 2021 through 2025. This has resulted in a $10,000,000,000 or 43% increase to the plan we shared with you in the spring of 2019 as adjusted for the gas transmission and storage sale.
We now project $32,000,000,000 of growth capital investment on behalf of our customers, over 80% of which reduces or enables emissions reductions. We plan to invest $17,000,000,000 in 0 carbon generation and energy storage, including regulated offshore wind, solar and nuclear relicensing, another $6,000,000,000 in electric grid enhancements, such as electric transmission and grid modernization, which will enable our system to be more resilient to cyber and climate threats and more responsive to increasing intermittent generation. And we plan to invest $3,000,000,000 on the modernization of our LDC networks as well as Bob will provide more color on these industry leading investment programs in a moment. As meaningful as these near term plans are, consider on Slide 10, how they compare to the long term scope and duration of our overall de carbonization opportunity. Our initiatives extend well beyond our 5 year plan.
We have identified over $70,000,000,000 of green investment opportunity between 2020 and 2,035, nearly all of which will qualify for regulated cost of service recovery. This is, as far as we can tell, the largest regulated decarbonization investment opportunity in the industry. In the accelerating electrification of the transportation sector, promises to drive growing demand for utility scale, 0 and low carbon generation for many years to come. Company's long term transformation has multiple beneficiaries, Our customers who want more sustainable energy, our local communities which benefit from the economic growth and tax revenue for the company's investments, our employees who develop the best practices of the transition to a low carbon future and the environment via the emissions reductions we illustrate on Slide 11. Through 2019, inclusive of asset divestitures, we have successfully reduced our enterprise wide CO2 equivalent emissions by around 55%.
This is great progress, but we have more to visit. By 2,035, we expect to improve that reduction to between 70% 80% versus baseline on our way to net 0 by 2,050. As shown on the right side of the slide, by 2,035, we expect that approximately 95% of our company owned generation will be either 0 or low emitting, a remarkable transformation from our 2,005 dispatch mix. Before turning it over to Jim, I will summarize the actions and events of 2020 that have positioned Dominion to thrive for years to come. We took care of one another and in so doing we achieved an all time safety record.
We took quick action to work with our customers to address the impacts of the COVID-nineteen pandemic. We announced our ambition to be net 0 by 2,050. The Virginia Clean Economy Act was adopted by the General Assembly, which puts the state on a cutting edge path to decarbonization and positions the state as a hub for the global green economy transition. We advanced our strategic positioning by selling our gas transmission and storage assets to focus on our premier state regulated utility operations. We simultaneously initiated best in class earnings and dividend growth rates.
We reported our 20th consecutive quarter of weather normal results that met or exceeded the midpoint of our quarterly guidance. And we transitioned both our CEO and Lead Director roles. With that, I will turn it over to Jim.
Thank you, Tom, and good morning. Our Q4 2020 operating earnings, as shown on Slide 14, were $0.81 per share, which included a 0.01 dollars hurt from worse than normal weather in our utility service territories. Both actual and weather normalized results were above the midpoint of our quarterly guidance range. Full year 2020 operating earnings per share were $3.54 above the midpoint of our guidance range and included a $0.09 hurt from weather. Weather normalized results of $3.63 were at the top of our annual guidance range.
Note that our Q4 2020 GAAP and operating earnings, together with comparative periods, are adjusted to account for discontinued operations, including those associated with the sale of assets to Berkshire Hathaway Energy. And then a summary of such adjustments between operating and reported results is, as usual, included in Schedule 2 of our earnings release kit. As shown on Slide 15, this represents our 20th consecutive quarter, so 5 years now, of delivering weather normal results that meet or exceed the midpoint of our quarterly guidance range. We've highlighted here the July 5 gas transmission storage sale announcement on the chart as this was obviously obviously, this had an impact on our original annual guidance, which is, of course, set prior to that transaction. But regardless, we believe the historic consistency across our quarterly results is worth highlighting.
And it's a track record we are absolutely focused on extending. Turning now to slide to guidance on Slide 16. As usual, we are providing a range for the year, which is designed primarily to account for variations from normal weather. We are initiating 2021 operating EPS guidance of $3.70 to $4 per share. The midpoint of this range is in line with the indicative guidance midpoint range we provided in July.
Measured midpoint to midpoint, we expect approximately 10% growth in 2021, also consistent with our July guidance. Looking longer term, we expect operating EPS to grow off the 2021 base at around 6.5% per year through 2025. Finally, we expect Q1 2021 operating earnings per share to be between $1 $1.15 Turning to Slide 17. We expect our 2021 full year dividend to be $2.52 reflecting our target payout ratio of approximately 65%. We're also extending the long range dividend per share growth rate of 6% off that 'twenty one base through 2025.
Slide 18 provides a breakdown of the 5 year growth CapEx roll forward, which Tom introduced. For more details on this, I would point to the very comprehensive appendix materials. We've really put some effort into providing all the more granular detail, which we expect will be useful for understanding and modeling each part of this growth profile. But just a few items I'll highlight here. We are forecasting a total 5 year rate based CAGR of around 9%, broken out here by segment and by major driver.
I would note that nearly 3 quarters of this planned growth CapEx is eligible for rider recovery. That nomenclature varies, but capital invested under riders, rate adjustment clauses or trackers, as they're called in various jurisdictions, allows for more timely recovery of prudently incurred investments and costs. They are filed and chewed up at least annually in single issue proceedings, so outside of the more time consuming and less frequent general base rate proceedings. In some of our jurisdictions, including Virginia, rider recovery mechanisms utilize a forward looking or projected test period and or allows for a construction work in progress, all of which minimizes traditional regulatory lag that in other cases can prevent utilities from earning at their authorized return levels. Lighter eligible CapEx programs varies a little by state, but prominent examples for us include offshore wind, solar, energy storage, nuclear relicensing, electric transmission, strategic undergrounding, grid transformation, rural broadband and gas distribution infrastructure integrity and modernization spending.
On that theme and turning to Slide 19, we illustrate how base investments and rider investments are expected to trend at Dominion Energy Virginia through the 5 year plan. You'll note that the Virginia base investment balance is growing at about 6% annually, driven primarily by new customer connections and maintenance spending. By contrast, the rider investment balance in Virginia, which comprises half of DEV's investment base today, is expected to grow at nearly 20% annually on average. Since the Virginia rider investment programs are reviewed and trued up annually, they are not included in the triennial review process, the first of which, of course, will commence next month. Based on these growth trends, the base investment balance as a percentage of total DEV declines from 37% to 27% by 2025.
It also shrinks dramatically as a percentage of overall Dominion Energy. On Slide 20, we refresh our outlook for sources and uses of cash. So on average between 'twenty one and 'twenty three, we expect to generate annual operating cash flow of around $6,600,000,000 return about around $2,400,000,000 to our shareholders in the form of dividend and invest nearly $8,000,000,000 a year on growth and maintenance CapEx on behalf of our customers. Our financing plan assumes we issue around $400,000,000 of equity annually through our existing DRIP and ATM programs with the residual financing needs satisfied by net fixed income issuance. Again, and as shown on Slide 21, these are multiyear averages.
To be clear, in 2021, we don't expect any issuance under our AGM program. This equity guidance is consistent with our prior guidance for the 'twenty one through 'twenty four period. We view this level of steady equity issuance under existing programs as prudent, EPS accretive and in the context of our very sizable growth capital spending program, appropriate to keep our consolidated credit metrics within the guidelines for our strong credit ratings category. To that point, as shown on Slide 22, our consolidated credit metrics have continued their steady improvement as has our pension plan's funded status. We're all very proud of these results.
We continue to target high BBB range credit ratings for our parent company and A range ratings for our regulated operating companies. Before I summarize my remarks, let me spend just a minute on O and M. As demonstrated by our 2020 results, we're focusing on driving O and M through improved processes, innovative use of technology and other best practice cost initiatives to keep normalized O and M flat through the forecast period. This reflects the successful continuation of our flat normalized O and M efforts we discussed in more detail at our last Investor Day. So with that, I'll summarize.
We reported 4th quarter and full year 2020 operating EPS, which were above the midpoints of our guidance, extending our track record to 5 years of leading or exceeding the quarterly midpoints on a weather normal basis. We initiated 2021 full year operating EPS guidance that represents a 10% annual increase midpoint to midpoint. We affirmed 6.5% operating EPS growth from 'twenty one to 'twenty five. We introduced a $32,000,000,000 5 year growth CapEx plan that drives an approximately 9% rate base growth. We expect highly disproportionate rider investment spending across our segment, and our balance sheet and credit profile remain in very good health.
And with that, I'll turn it
over to Bob. Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin on Slide 25, which provides an overview of the Virginia Clean Economy Act. The law mandates a renewable energy portfolio standard that over the next 25 years moves towards a 0 carbon future. In order to achieve the RPS milestones, the law calls on the state's utilities to add significant amounts of wind and solar power generation as well as battery storage, ramps up energy efficiency and demand side management programs, requires the use of Virginia based renewable energy credits, mandates that Virginia join the regional greenhouse initiative and requires the retirement of substantial coal fired generation by 2025 and all fossil fired units by 2,046 subject to reliability and energy security considerations.
The largest single investment project to come out of the passage of the BCEA is Dominion Energy's initial 2.6 gigawatt offshore wind deployment as described on Slide 26. I'm not going to go through every line item on this slide, but we'll highlight the following. First, the project, which is the largest of its kind in North America, is very much on track. This project will provide a boost to Virginia's growing green economy by creating 100 of jobs, 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars of economic output and 1,000,000 of dollars of tax revenue for the state and localities. It will also propel Virginia closer to achieving its goal to become a major hub for the burgeoning offshore wind value chains up and down the country's East Coast.
2nd, as was contemplated in the BCEA, we intend this investment to be 100% regulated and eligible for rider recovery. Finally, the VCEA provides very specific requirements on the presumption of prudency for investment in the project as shown here, which we are confident that we will meet. On Slide 27, we list the major project milestones. In December of last year, we submitted our construction and operations plan to BOEM. We're encouraged by the incremental funding appropriated to BOEM late last year with the specific direction to augment the agency's resources to process offshore wind permits as well as BOEM's recent recommencement of processing the Vineyard Wind application.
As you likely know by now, we are the only owner in the United States to have completed an offshore wind bone permitting process successfully. Our 12 Megawatt test project, which recently entered service, completed the bone permitting process in 2019 and we're applying lessons learned during that process to our present application. The other item on the left hand side of this slide, The lease is positioned in shallow water outside of major maritime shipping lanes away from any other offshore wind leaseholds and not in a region that supports a significant commercial fishing industry. We expect to receive final permits in mid-twenty 23 and complete project construction around the end of 2026. The VCEA calls for another 2.6 gigawatts of offshore wind by 2,036.
While our near term focus is on successfully executing on our initial deployment, we look forward to finding ways to support the state's additional offshore wind capacity goals. The VCEA provides that the costs of any offshore wind project will be borne by our customers only in proportion to our ownership of the project. While offshore wind may be our largest single renewable energy project, the aggregate capacity of solar generation called for by the VCEA is over 3x larger. In accordance with the law, 65% of the target amount is to be utility owned. This is not new ground for us or for the commission.
To date, we've made 4 cost of service rider recovery filings for solar projects in Virginia. 3 representing around 400 megawatts have been approved and the most recent filing is pending approval. We expect to make additional filings annually as we work toward the over 10 gigawatts of regulated solar capacity called for by the law. Current solar technology requires around 10 acres for every megawatt of installed capacity. Rock mass suggests therefore that the utility owned target of around 10,000 megawatts will require around 100,000 acres of land.
We've been hard at work to secure enough land to support our long range goal. And I'm pleased to report that in less than a year, we've put 63,000 acres under option. Turning to Slide 29. What started with an 8 megawatt facility in Georgia in 2013 has today become a portfolio of over 2.2 gigawatts, representing over $5,000,000,000 of investment. Our early focus was on the development of long term contracted projects, mostly outside of Virginia that allowed us to develop the expertise and competency to undertake the substantial regulated solar build out in Virginia that I just described.
Going forward, you can see that our emphasis shifts and a very significant majority of our solar capacity investment will take place under regulated cost of service recovery mechanisms in Virginia. Growth in long term contracted solar is limited and driven by large customer requests for bilateral 100 percent renewable power supply. As increasing intermittent generation sources proliferate on our system, energy storage will be critical to maintaining reliable service. We observed with keen interest the recent example of the negative consequences that occur for customers when rapid changes in intermittent generation are not accommodated with sufficient storage and or quick start gas fired generation. Hence, the VCEA prudently calls for the development of nearly 3 gigawatts of energy storage by 2,036, 65 percent of which is to be utility owned and rider eligible.
Admittedly, we're starting small when it comes to developing technologies in this area. 16 megawatts of pilot projects across 3 different sites and 3 different use case scenarios as shown on the right side of Slide 30. But starting small has its advantages. As we saw in both our offshore wind and solar development strategies, we're rapidly developing expertise that will ensure we're providing the maximum value to customers as we fulfill the targets of the VCEA. In our estimation, the success of greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets requires the ongoing viability of existing nuclear facilities.
That's why we filed for 20 year license extensions for our 4 Virginia regulated units. Today, these facilities account for 30% of Virginia's total electric output and around 90% of Virginia's 0 carbon electricity. Based on PJM's carbon intensity rate, the ongoing operation of these plants will effectively avoid CO2 emissions of 16,000,000 tons per year. Key milestones for the relicensing process are shown on Slide 31. We expect to submit for rider cross recovery approval in the second half of this year.
Our near term focus is on the Virginia units, but under the appropriate circumstances, life extensions over the long term at our other three units may be advisable. Successful nuclear life extension is a win for customers and the environment. The transition to a clean energy future means reduced reliance on coal fired generation. As Tom showed, in 2,005, more than half our company's power production was from coal fired generation.
By
2,030 5, we project that to be closer to 5%, perhaps lower if the South Carolina Commission prefers an accelerated decarbonization plan as part of our IRP refiling. From an investment based perspective, which is a rough approximation of earnings contribution, you can see on Slide 32 the diminished role coal fired generation plays in our financial performance, driven by facility retirements and non coal investment. We're mindful that this shift has the potential to be disruptive to employees and communities that are being purposeful in our efforts to ameliorate any such negative consequences. You'll also note that 0 carbon generation grows significantly such that by 2025, over 60% of our investment base will consist of electric wires and 0 carbon generation. Turning to Slide 33, let me address customer rates with a focus on Virginia.
First, between 2008 2020, our typical residential customer rate increased on average by less than 1% per year, which is much lower than average annual inflation over that period of closer to 2%. 2nd, based on EIA data, our typical customer rate is 13% lower than the national average and 36% lower than other states that like Virginia have joined RGGI. And 3rd, going forward, we see typical residential rates increasing by a compound annual growth rate of around 2.9% through 2,030, which is a comprehensive estimate and includes, among other factors the impact of the decarbonization investment programs we've discussed today. If we move the starting point back to 2,008, that rate of increase falls to 2.1%, which is lower than projected inflation for 2021. It's incumbent upon us to deliver energy that is safe, reliable, increasingly sustainable and affordable.
Now on Slide 34, let me address the upcoming triennial review proceeding. Note we've developed the tail slides in the appendix that we believe will be helpful to you on this topic. First, the triennial review process will commence next month and conclude late this year. 2nd, this triennial review will cover 4 years of performance from 2017 through 2020 and compares our earned return to our allowed return of 9.9%, inclusive of a 70 basis point collar. 3rd, and as Jim pointed out, the review applies only to the Virginia base portion of our rate base.
Rider investments are outside the scope of the proceeding. And finally, to the extent the commission concludes that available revenues inclusive of adjustments for impairments, weather and other factors are greater than customer credit reinvestments, it may order a refund as well as a forward looking revenue reduction of up to $50,000,000 So let me point out just two factors that we know will be part of the first review process. First, we've invested nearly $300,000,000 in the on time and on budget completion of the 12 Megawatt Offshore Wind Test Project. We've indicated we will not seek a revenue increase from customers associated with this project. Rather, we will apply that investment as needed as a customer credit reinvestment offset.
2nd, we've provided over $125,000,000 of arrears relief in Virginia to assist customers, many of whom have faced financial hardship as a result of COVID. Naturally, we're focused on the triennial review filing next month, but we also get questions from time to time regarding the second triennial review, which is expected to conclude in almost 4 years. A few observations there, which are shown on Slide 35. First, we're in the very early days, 43 days, I think, of that review period. So obviously, we have quite a ways to go before being in a position to file the precise regulatory inputs for that proceeding.
What we do know, however, is that the structure of the review will be similar to T1. This includes the ability, for instance, to use customer credit reinvestment offsets, which allow us to invest in projects for the benefit of customers. 2nd, as Jim described well, the robust growth of our asset base at DEB is concentrated around rider recoverable investments that are outside the scope of triennial available earnings reviews. Combined with growth at our other state regulated operating segments, the proportion of the company's earnings and cash flows, which are subject to triennial earnings tests, will naturally diminish over the forecast and beyond. 3rd, the very nature of our business as a state regulated utility company is working with regulators to deliver beneficial outcomes for both customers and investors.
It's something we've been doing for many years. We expect to continue to apply the experience we've gained to upcoming rate proceedings of all varieties, including the Triennial reviews. We firmly believe that there are a number of paths that converge on a single objective, serving customers, employees, communities, the environment and investors. On top of that, incredibly excited about what Dominion Energy is planning to accomplish well beyond the next 2 triennial reviews. Specifically, over the next 15 years, the investment of upwards of $70,000,000,000 of green capital, nearly all of which will grow earnings under regulated rider mechanisms and significantly reduce emissions while maintaining competitive customer rates.
We don't believe any other company in the United States offers the duration, visibility and scope of regulated decarbonization growth that Dominion Energy now offers. Shifting gears a little on Slide 36, we summarize the status of the pending South Carolina general rate case proceeding, which is presently in a 6 month pause, which we supported. As part of the pause, the Commission ordered the parties to report on a monthly basis on their progress toward reaching a settlement. We can't report to you this morning on the status of current negotiations obviously, but we look forward to continuing to engage with parties to the case and hopes of finding a suitable resolution to bring before the commission for approval. In the meantime, our commitment to customers is unwavering.
Over the last approximately 15 years, we've reduced average annual customer outages or shading by 40%. Investments made in prior periods, including the years covered by our recent rate case filing, are critical to system reliability and the continuation of this trend to the benefit of our customers. We're committed to meeting 100% of our merger commitments, establishing trust with our customers and communities and working toward an increasingly sustainable future for South Carolinians. In that regard, let me provide an update on our integrated resource plan. Briefly, the commission asked us to refile the plan and consider, among other changes, accelerated renewable energy deployment and increased sensitivities to potential carbon pricing.
In the table on the right hand side, you can see how one of the cases we filed with our original IRP called Plan 8 is indicative of the potential for accelerated decarbonization, but only slightly higher customer costs as compared to the prior base plan. Plan 8 would retire 1300 megawatts of coal fired generation in 2028 and add 300 megawatts of storage and 700 megawatts of new solar, which would result in a nearly 60% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2,030 and only cost approximately 3% more than the base plan. We look forward to engaging with all stakeholders on this planning process. On Slide 38, we provide key elements of our gas distribution segment growth and sustainability strategy. Our utilities operate in some of the fastest growing areas of the country, with the annual customer growth rates approaching 3% in 2 of our 3 largest markets.
These customers simply prefer natural gas service for cooking, heating and other residential, commercial and industrial applications. We're also fortunate to operate in jurisdictions where regulation prioritizes safety and reliability. Decoupling mechanisms promote the implementation of increased efficiency measures, which help to reduce customer bills. And infrastructure modernization and integrity trackers allow us to make critical investments in upgrades that both reduce emissions and raise the bar on safe and reliable service. When it comes to natural gas distribution, location matters.
We know that for natural gas to be relevant in the future, we must continue to focus on increasing the sustainability of our service. We've adopted ambitious Scope 1 emission targets, but that isn't enough. We're now looking at Scope 3 emissions in cutting edge ways. We formalized our support for federal methane regulation, and we're working towards procurement practices that encourage enhanced disclosures by upstream counterparties on their emissions and methane reduction programs. Further, we're considering a preference for suppliers and shippers who adopt a net zero commitment.
For downstream emissions, we plan to increase our annual spend on energy efficiency by 45% over the next 5 years and provide our customers with access to a carbon calculator and carbon offsets. We're also developing plans, which will require collaboration with policymakers and regulators to increase access to RNG for our customers and ultimately to initiate mandatory RNG blend levels that would act to offset our customers' carbon footprint. And finally, we're pursuing innovative hydrogen use cases, which we discuss in more detail in the appendix. This includes our participation as a founding member of the Low Carbon Resources Initiative that just surpassed $100,000,000 of funding from over 30 industry members. I'll conclude my remarks by addressing several important topics we took in 2020 that enhanced our industry leading ESG profile.
In February, we announced a goal of net 0 carbon and methane emissions by 2,050. Over the summer, as the nation began to re examine important points around race, we built upon our existing legacy of social equity by committing $40,000,000 to social justice and equity causes. In October, we published our latest Sustainability and Corporate Responsibility Report, which conforms with the major UN Sustainable Development Goals Framework. Also in October, we established a new commitment to increase our total workforce diversity by 1% each year. During 2020, we got up to a strong start with half of our company's new hires being diverse.
And in November, we announced our formal support for task force on climate related financial disclosures or TCFD, making us one of only 6 utilities to adopt such support. Looking ahead on Slide 40, we have more to do. In January, as I mentioned, we publicly formalized our support for federal methane regulations. During the Q2 of this year, we'll publish an updated climate report that will reflect TCFD recommended methodologies. And throughout 2021, we'll advance our efforts to address Scope 3 emissions, firstly, in our gas distribution businesses as I previously described.
Firstly, in our gas distribution businesses as I previously described.
These and
other ESG oriented efforts have been recognized by leading third party assessment services as shown on Slide 41. By each measure, our performance exceeds the sector average. We've been recognized as part of the leadership band by CDP for our climate and water disclosure as trendsetters for the 3rd consecutive year by the CPA Zicklin report on political accountability and transparency, and as part of the Just 100 for the 2nd consecutive year by Just Capital for our actions to promote increased equity. I'll conclude the call on Slide 42, which you saw in Tom's remarks as well. We are taking steps today to chart a course that over the next decades will put our company on a remarkable journey to becoming the most sustainable energy company in America.
Our future is bright and we're focused on executing this plan for the benefit of our employees, customers and communities, the environment and our investors. With that, we're ready to take questions.
Thank you, sir. At this time, we will open the floor for questions. Our first question comes from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research.
Hi, thanks. Good morning. So just first question on the your growth rate now goes out to 2025, which would encompass, I guess, 2024 triennial outcome in it. Can you talk a little bit about how you're kind of including that in your assumptions? What are you assuming for that?
Yes. Thanks, Steve. Appreciate the question. We're as I mentioned earlier, we're only 43 days into a 3 year period that's going to be reviewed. And we don't even file the case for more than 3 years.
So not surprisingly, lots of details to come. I do think it's important though, when we look at a developing a long term growth rate, we look at a variety of planning scenarios. We don't assume a single outcome for the 2024 Triennial or any other major planning assumption that far out in our plan. I will say one theme that is certainly assumed in all of our forecasted outcomes, 2024 or any other years that Virginia regulation continues to be constructive, just the way it's worked over the years, which has provided our customers with solid reliability rates more than 10% below the national average and a greener and greener generation portfolio. And then I think it's also important to remember as Jim and I talked about earlier that the portion of our base rates that the portion of our earnings that come from base rates in Virginia as we go through time and riders and other mechanisms outside Virginia grow in importance.
Our growth between now and the 'twenty four Triennial and then after the 'twenty four Triennial is driven by rider investments that are outside the 'twenty four Triennial or any other Triennial proceeding.
Okay. So is the punch line then that you kind of feel like you've got ability to deal with a variety of outcomes for that or in the scheme of things or and that's kind of encompassed in there? Yes.
This is what we do. This is what we've done over the years as we work with regulators, policymakers on constructive outcomes for customers and the health of the utility. And we fully expect that we'll be able to continue that going forward.
Okay. And then one other question related to that is I did notice that it does seem like the base component of the rate base in Virginia and the percentages seem lower than they had been from
your other recent disclosures.
Could you just explain maybe some of the changes there, I
guess, maybe Jim? Casey, good morning. Yes, let
me take that in. And I'm not sure if everyone has the full deck in front of them, but for future references, set out on Page 60 in the appendix. But you're right, the total rate base in Virginia has not changed other than the passage of time and the completion of the year. But what we did do is we refined the calculation of the elements of total rate base. We've been showing the schedule since like 2019 when we started this, I guess, our last Investor Day, where we at that time, the triennial was very far away.
We were trying to make it simple. So we lump some things together. And now we've refined that. And the refinement relates to about $4,000,000,000 of rate base that previously we had categorized as Virginia base and other. And the $4,000,000,000 is really the other.
And we've now reallocated that to other categories. So what's in that other? Those are contracts where we serve various entities in the state, municipalities, the state of Virginia itself, the federal government, entities like that, where the contracts reflect different economic constructs. Some of them are just sort of negotiated. Those are in the other category in our new slide.
And others track more some of the riders, whether it's transmission rider or legacy A6 riders. So we've reallocated to be more precise. Now Virginia based is not Virginia based and other, it's just Virginia based. It brings down that number to about 9,000,000,000 dollars So I think that's helpful to folks as they do math on sensitivities to have that more refined division of the various buckets of our total Virginia rate base.
Okay. Yes. Thank you very much.
Thanks, Steve.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Ford with UBS.
Hi, good morning. Thanks very much for the time today.
Hi, Dan. Thanks for joining.
Thank you. So this question is for you, Bob. So the Virginia legislature has several live utility and energy economy related bills still floating around and Governor Northam's asked for a special session. Can you put all the noise that this creates for investors into perspective for
us? Yes, sure. I don't think I can remember a 4th quarter call we've done where we didn't get a question on the Virginia General Assembly. I guess that's a function of the timing of our Q4 call and the session. So I'm glad you asked because we would have been disappointed if we didn't get one this year.
It's been now, I guess, more than 15 years since I worked in the Governor's office in Virginia, but there are a few things about the legislative process that I think are probably still true. The first one, the legislature doesn't follow a script. You make a mistake or you make predictions with certainty about the outcome of legislation at your peril. And I think that is still true. The second is that bills for it to become law have to clear a number of hurdles.
It's not just one house or the other, it's both houses and it's committees of both houses. And an example of that from this year's session would be the one bill introduced in the Senate that related to our regulatory model was defeated in committee on a pretty strong bipartisan vote. And then the last thing that is still true about the legislature in Virginia is it moves quickly. So I don't think we're going to have to wait a long time. This year, the timing has been a little bit different.
As you mentioned, the session, when it's constitutionally mandated 30 days and then the governor called a special session, but the process is still moving pretty quickly. And so I think those bills that you're referring to will be resolved relatively soon because that's the way the Virginia General Assembly moves. We'll keep an eye on them. But I think it's important to remember that they've got hurdles they would still have to clear before they could become law.
Okay. Thanks very much. And I guess one also for Jim. Jim, thanks for all the detail on the CapEx going forward as well as what's rider eligible versus not. Can you talk a little bit about the impact that the CapEx mix and the rider eligible projects will have on cash flow conversion as we go through the next 5 years?
Yes, thanks Tim. Let me do that. So as I mentioned, almost over 70%, almost 3 quarters of our capital spending in this 5 year plan is in rider format in Virginia and elsewhere. So what that means is we invest that capital, there's no regulatory lag. There is a proportional increase in operating cash flow from that investment.
So that's quite an assistance in our plan for the sources and uses of cash given the lack of regulatory lag and kind of the proportional advancement of our rider spend and our rider rate base growth and also our operating cash flow. We think it's quite a nifty feature of this structure.
Great. Thanks very much guys.
Thanks Dan.
Thank you. Our
Just a quick housekeeping and then I have a quick follow-up. Just maybe starting with the 'twenty one guidance, I mean, obviously, you've highlighted an expectation for 10% or better growth off that 2020 base. But the bottom end sort of implies about 6% year over year growth. There's a lot of visibility with the plan. So just trying to get a sense on any scenarios outside of weather that could put you at that lower end.
And then I know the midpoint of the range is about $0.025 lower versus prior. Is that South Carolina GRC delay related?
Can you manage it? Is there sort of
a conservatism built in there?
Yes. A lot of lot of parts of that question is normal. So let me first start the last part. South Carolina has no impact on that guidance range, none. Let me walk through the elements of our guidance.
So we have our long term EPS growth guidance of 6.5%, which is intended to be more precise than our peers as opposed to a 200 basis point range. And what we do every year as we go along that 6.5% long term growth rate, we choose a midpoint for our annual guidance. And around that midpoint, we have a range. And every quarter, we mentioned that, that range is intended primarily to capture different weather outcomes. Now going back a few years, that range was pretty wide.
Within the last 5 years, it was $0.50 and it's $0.45 to do, it's $0.30 But the primary reason for that range, this year included, is to incorporate to accommodate various weather outcomes. The midpoint of the range is 385 and we're very confident in making that number and in continuing our track record of meeting or exceeding on a one dollar basis like we talked about for the last 5 years. So there's a range, there's a midpoint. That midpoint, again, as I said in my prepared remarks, is consistent with the very narrow range of potential midpoints that we guided in July. No relative to the South Carolina
process.
Got it. Got it. Thank you for that, Jim. And then just lastly on the ratings, obviously, you're presenting a really healthy cash flow outlook. The business risk profile has obviously improved 9% utility growth, a lot of it is rider treatment, single issue weight making, 15% after quarter's debt levels.
Any sort of an agency obviously also has you on a positive outlook. I mean metrics seem to point you closer to E- any sense on how the conversations are going with the rating agencies?
Let me say it this way. I think generally across the 3 rating agencies, There's a recognition of the senior management focus on credit. That's been a part of all the transactions and financings we've done in the last years. And there's a recognition of the improvement that we've accomplished. So we're in a good spot.
Going forward, I wouldn't speculate on an upgrade, but what I would expect, maybe I'm not trying to get ahead of the agencies, but what I'd hope for is increased recognition of the very material improvement in our business risk profile from a credit perspective overall last year. And we're just the dust has barely settled right on our last step of that with the sale of gas transmission storage. But I would hope that that element would work its way more into the dialogue and even the thresholds that the various agencies apply to our company.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America.
Hey, good morning team. Thanks for the time and opportunity. Perhaps to follow-up on some of the last questions, I got a couple real quickly if you can. I believe you just said a second ago, with respect to the 6.5% and the increased level of precision, I
think Steve brought up earlier, obviously, there's
a lot baked into that 5 year outlook in the 'twenty five. How do you get yourself so confident around that 6.5% precision that you guys articulate? I mean, obviously, it's purposeful, as you just said. If you can speak to it a little bit more narrowly about the level of confidence you have in these outcomes to drive that number, that's great. And then I have a quick follow-up,
if you don't mind.
Yes. I mean, I think I'd answer it simply this way, Julien. We were confident in July when we announced the 6.5% growth rate and nothing has changed since then. We're still confident. We've outlined, as you've heard today, some roll forward of our CapEx.
We've got a lot of clarity on rider recoverability of that CapEx and all of that contributes as we sort of develop our assumptions around our long term growth rate to maintaining the confidence that we had last summer in that 6.5%.
Got it. Fair enough. And then turning back to South Carolina quickly,
if you can. Obviously, I heard what
you said about 'twenty one here. How do you think about prospects for settlement timeline there, just given some of the generations and ultimately, CapEx, obviously, we're paying attention to what's going on with Duke and the Carolinas here too. How do you think about CapEx opportunities as well?
Yes. So on settlement, we're working through the pause that was ordered by the commission that we agreed to with monthly reports on that. And we're always optimistic about our prospects of selling cases because we think we're very creative in finding ways that we can resolve issues that are beneficial for customers and for the company. Ultimately, it requires all the parties to agree to settle. And I can't tell you what's in the mind of the counterparties.
I can just tell you that we're working very hard toward that. And we have an endpoint that the commission said, if you haven't settled, we'll start the case back up again. So we'll get there either with a settlement or we'll finish the case, and it's a strong case. We're very confident in the case that we filed. We haven't had a base rate case in 8 years, and we've invested substantially in the system and improved the system, and we're entitled to return on those to a return on those investments.
So we think it's a very strong case. Hopefully, we can settle it. If we can't, we're very comfortable with our ability to defend the position that we took in that case. As to central future growth, I mean, obviously, we need to get through this rate case and see. And that's our focus at the moment, along with making sure that we maintain our commitments that we made in the merger process.
The IRP process obviously suggests that going forward there may be some further investment opportunities. We'll certainly take advantage of those. But right now, what we're focused on is getting this first rate case resolved in a constructive manner.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Weinstein with Credit Suisse.
Hi, guys. Good morning.
Hey, Michael. Hey, guys.
I'm wondering if to what extent has additional tax credit extensions and some of the renewable stimulus planning that we're expecting to see from the Democrats over the next few months built into the plan? And is there potential for outside, especially when I look at like the solar and maybe even just in terms of customer affordability, maybe you could afford to do some more work maybe in undergrounding or grid transformation?
Yes. That's a great question, Michael. And you're right. For us, in the regulated environment that we're talking about, the extension of the ITCs and various tax credits is customer rate beneficial and doesn't change the investment return, but definitely reduces the rate that customers pay. So we'll look at whether there are opportunities.
We have a pretty aggressive plan as you've seen and the Virginia Clean Economy Act last year passed an aggressive plan. So we're moving very customers on rates. One thing, Michael, I'll add to customers on rates.
One thing Michael will add to that, Jim, is when it comes to ITCs that we recognize the earnings benefit from outside of the regulatory context, that, just to be clear, is not really a growth industry for us. Most of what we do that relates to ITC is in a regulated format where it benefits our customers, as Bob said. But 2 years ago at Investor Day, we gave some guidance that that ITC recognition in earnings would be somewhere in the up to $0.15 per year range. And where we've been is really below that. In 'eighteen, we're $0.09 in 'nineteen, we're $0.11 in 'twenty, we're $0.16 but we still plan to trend within that run rate up to 15% $0.15 per year guidance.
So there's not a big impact in that area, mostly on the regulated customer benefit side as Bob described.
And just to be clear, the ITC doesn't reduce the rate base in any of the projects that you're working on a regulated
side? Yes, that's exactly right.
And my understanding is that strategic undergrounding is driven there's a limit to the amount you can invest there by law. Is there any talk of perhaps maybe expanding that considering maybe things might be getting more affordable to the federal tax credits?
Yes. So that's a legislative that cap is in legislation that you're referring to. It has to do with a percentage of overall rate base. There's no legislation pending in Virginia right now on that issue. So if it were to be extended, it's unlikely that would happen this year.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan.
Hi, good morning. Good morning. Good morning.
Sorry about that. Is that better?
That's better. Much better.
You outlined the decarbonization opportunity through 2,035 today. How do you think about customer growth and other investments for that period? And given the magnitude of your clean spend here, do you expect this to capture an increasing share going forward absent large changes in customer growth?
I'm sorry. We can talk a little bit about customer growth. I mean, we've had pretty consistent growth in our electric utility over the course of the last decade or so that we would expect to continue on the Virginia side, for example, 35,000 new customers connected a year or so. On the gas side of our business, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, strong very strong new customer growth. But I'm not sure I totally followed the second part of the question.
I apologize.
Just the relative share, I guess, of the green CapEx is just wanted to see if that's going to continue to be a large portion of what you're doing going forward. Or are there other chunky investments in the non Queen side we should think about there?
Yes. No, it's the outlook is very much and I think it's really reflected on the slide that shows that $72,000,000,000 opportunity. That is all these were all decarbonization related or enabling investments. So that's going to be the absolute lion's share of our investment going out and we would expect that to continue even beyond that long term period. Obviously, 15 years from now is a long time in this business.
Right.
Great. And then how much timing and recovery flexibility do you have with TCRO eligible CapEx for the 2nd tranal review period? Does your plan currently assume kind of bake in recovery of any of this spend explicitly?
Yes. As I mentioned, we have a variety of assumptions, not one single assumption related to the 24th triennial. We do have a slide that shows what's eligible and the total there. And we'll sort of take advantage of that as circumstances warrant. It's too early for us to know how much of it we would expect to use in the 'twenty four Triennial.
We just know what we're likely to have available. You can see that on that slide.
Got it. Thanks. And one last one, if I could. You talked about Virginia legislation and just wanted to see about South Carolina legislation. And if securitization came through, how would you deal with that?
We think securitization makes sense in certain circumstances. Storm recovery, for example, makes a lot of sense. Obviously, we didn't think it made sense with to new nuclear. So we'll see if it passes. If it passes in a way that would be constructive, that's great.
We'll just have to wait and see how it goes. I know that bill has been introduced a number of times in South Carolina in the past and hasn't been enacted. But in circumstances like Farm Recovery makes a lot of sense.
Great. Thanks so much.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI.
Hey, good morning team. Thanks for taking my question.
Good morning.
Jim, on Slide 20, I'm just curious, the cash flow sources and uses go through 2020 and the
planned growth in 2025. Am I reading too much
into it or are there differences in the kind of the composition of cash sources and uses in 2024 and 2025 as you ramp up your offshore investment?
Yes, I think I'll ask that. The reason we went to just a 3 year average view here is that over 5 years, the numbers get pretty big and maybe a little bit more difficult to bridge from where we are now or where we were in 2020. But you're you probably are reading too much into it. We have elsewhere, of course, disclosed our equity financing plan through the end of the period on the next slide. So you can see the financing is going to continue.
What will change is the operating cash flow, which will grow on a 5 year basis and the investing cash flow, which will grow slightly as it accretes a little bit backdated in the 5 year plan. But nothing more interesting than that, I'd say.
Understood. I get it. Okay. So more sort of granularity and conviction in New Years and but no significant changes in the makeup of source and users.
Bigger numbers, that's about it.
Okay. All right.
And then just quickly following up,
just on Slide 10 and maybe Bob, this is for you or perhaps even BIM. Just the largest regulated decarbonization plan, I love it. But in terms of when I'm thinking about any legislative support that you need, is it fair to assume that this opportunity of $72,000,000,000 sort of is you can accomplish this with the Virginia Clean Energy Act or do you need further legislative support to kind of
act on some of these younger business opportunities? No, your assumption is correct. This is based upon the Virginia Clean Economy Act and the Grid Transformation and Security Act in 2018. So all of this is already legislatively authorized. Now we obviously have to seek approval from the commission for projects and we've demonstrated on solar.
And as I mentioned in earlier remarks, we've had 3 solar filings approved by the commission already. And we've had our electric transmission spend and those kinds of things approved consistently over the years. But we don't need additional we're not looking for additional legislative enactments to carry out this 15 year regulated book.
Excellent. Thank you for the update today and much appreciate the added disclosures. Thanks a lot guys.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from James Thalacker with BMO Capital Markets.
Good morning and thanks for the time guys.
Good morning.
I just wanted to circle back on your comments just on bill affordability as you implement your capital plan. And Mike Weinstein actually raised a good question. As we saw the extension of the ITC at 30% at the end of the year, Could you potentially talk to how that's going to how you may be quantified or how it's going to impact customer rates and making things more affordable as you implement your capital plan?
Yes, I don't think we've quantified that yet. So we filed an integrated resource plan earlier this year and or last I guess, we're in 2021. The 2020 Integrated Resource Plan, we showed a 10 year look, that 2.9% that we talked about. We'll, I'm confident, be updating that. We certainly have an IRP update later this year in Virginia.
And I would expect as part of that, we'll run the numbers on the customer rates. But we don't have we haven't quantified customer rate impacts of that ITC at this point.
Okay,
great. But I would assume that it would give you a little bit more flexibility as we're looking down the road
here. That is absolutely true. It's going to have benefits to customers and rates and offers us flexibility as we go forward.
Great. And just to I guess just to stay along that line is and I know we're looking a little bit farther out, but like maybe you could touch a little bit about some of the programs or I don't know if you're ready to quantify it, but how you're thinking about controlling costs to create more headroom to continue to implement your capital plan over the next, say, 5 to 7 years?
Let me talk about that. It's Jim. ITC is one element which will benefit customers for sure. But the other is O and M. And let me get some kind of high level thoughts on that.
We talked
at our last Investor Day about flat normalized O
and M. So normalized is normalizing for for new riders that have associated acquired O and M or things like pension benefits, which discount rates and the like make that number go up and down. So we normalize for all that. And then we keep it flat. And in 2019, we gave an estimate that by keeping it flat for 3 years across our entire business, we were going to say versus a 2 person escalator like $200 ish million on a cumulative basis and we did.
So now it's still flat and we're rolling that out for the full 5 year period. Now we did have savings that actually went down a little bit in 2019 sorry, in 2020 from COVID, not all that's permanent. But our effort to keep that flat O and M, so negating inflation or wage increases and things like that, it's not easy. But it's not through big things like some of our peers have talked about step changes in O and M discovered during COVID. We had some COVID savings for sure, But our approach is a little bit different.
It's kind of programmatic. It's pushing cost savings as part of the system, the culture. So finding ways to use technology and work smarter throughout the business. So we have examples of that that helps us keep that flat O and M. They're tiny in comparison to Dominion.
Electronic timesheets and electronic signatures and they've got a long list, they're all tiny, but they add up. And that the kind of thing, the small efforts throughout the company, every state, every location that allow us to keep that normalized O and M flat. And the reason we do that is to make room in the customer bill. Yes, it helps out on the customer side. And potentially also creates room in that bill for the capital spending that also benefits customers.
So that's kind of our other lever we have in managing customer bill is continuing to manage that flat O and M.
Our next question comes from Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs.
Great slide deck today, lots of detail. I have 2 questions. 1, can you remind us as a
We set that out on a whole company basis, Michael, on Page 32. And as a percentage of total investment base, which is rate based plus the fixed assets, the PPV for our smaller contracted assets business is 7%, 7% of rate base effectively. And just this is just a 5 year plan given obviously the spending on other areas that goes to 4% by 2025 and down from there. Got it. So if
I think about it at the Virginia level and you've done a significant amount of coal retirements in Virginia, If you wanted to retire facilities even earlier than planned, some of the coal facilities there, that would accrue or account as part of the CCRO in the 2021 to 2024 timeframe. Am I thinking that that's also an alternative, not just investing new capital that would necessarily get a cash return, but the write downs of some of the older coal plants might as well?
Yes, a couple of things there, Michael. One is, obviously, we don't make decisions on fossil retirements based on the timing related to regulatory proceeding. That's we make those decisions based on the sustainability of those plants going forward or if there's a change in the law or those kinds of things. So, I think that's an important thing to keep in mind. And then the other is that you are sort of conflating 2 different topics, I think.
1 is this customer credit reinvestment offset, which is provided for by statute. Those are projects that are either grid transformation projects or renewable projects, where that capital investment can be applied as essentially the customer benefit in an earnings sharing mechanism. When you calculate what the when the triennial review is done and there are available earnings, There is an earnings sharing mechanism. And then for the customer portion of that, it could either be a refund or one of these renewable or grid transformation project. I think what you're thinking of is, if there is if we retire a plant early, there's a write down.
And then that expense would be treated logically as an expense in the period if there are available earnings. That's the best for customers. It's what longstanding practice has been in Virginia. So 2 sort of slightly different things you're talking about there. Both have some impact on the calculation in the triennial, but we're obviously a long ways away from the 2nd triennial here.
Understood. And just coming back to the coal generation question, do you think your coal units in both states, given how much power prices have come down, given how much CapEx costs for renewables and storage have come down, do you think the coal units are currently economic still, the existing operating coal units? And is there a dramatic difference between the ones in Virginia and the ones in South Carolina?
Yes, I don't know that I'd say there's a dramatic difference. We obviously look at the economics of those plants regularly and make a determine make a determination whether they are viable in the future and whether they're properly valued. So we'll do that continue to do that on a regular basis.
Got it. Thank you, guys. Much appreciated for taking the time.
Thank you. Our final question comes from Srinjoy Banerjee with Barclays.
Hi, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. Just on thinking about equity for the debt metrics as well as the ratings. So obviously, you guys have seen a consistent improvement to those metrics, 15% in 2020. If you look at the S and P and Moody's targets for high BBB, if S and P requires 15% and Moody's requires 17%.
And so how do you see your equity for the debt metrics evolve over the time period? Would you expect to stay around the 15% mark or expect an improvement given the riders that you have?
Sunil, thanks a lot. Good to hear from you. The way we think about that is we've it hasn't been easy to achieve the improvement that we've shown at one slide to get to the solidly mid teens level. And that's where we expect it to stay. So I think maybe were suggesting is there an upgrade in the air, of course not against that.
But what we really hope comes to pass at some point is, again, further recognition of the business risk profile improvement. So I wouldn't expect material changes in the metrics from where we are, from what we've achieved and where we landed. I think that's in a good spot, probably where we'll stay. But we'd love to have a little bit more headroom to that recognition I mentioned. And we want that headroom not because we want to blow through it, but just because we think it's more the better.
So that's kind of where we are on credit.
Okay. Thanks very much and appreciate the time.
Thank you. Thanks a lot.
Thank you. This does conclude this morning's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines and enjoy your day.