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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Nov 1, 2018

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to the Dominion Energy and Dominion Energy Midstream Partners Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, each of your lines is in a listen only mode. At the conclusion of today's presentation, we will open the floor for questions. Instructions will be given as to the procedure to follow if you would like to ask a question. I would now like to turn the call over to Steven Ridge, Director of Investor Relations for the Safe Harbor statement.

Speaker 2

Good morning, and welcome to the Q3 2018 earnings conference call for Dominion Energy and Dominion Energy Midstream Partners. I encourage you to visit the Investor Relations page on our website to view the earnings press releases and accompanying materials as well as a slide presentation that will follow this morning's prepared remarks. Schedules in the earnings release kit are intended to answer detailed questions pertaining to operating statistics and accounting, and the Investor Relations team will be available immediately after the call to answer additional questions. The earnings releases and other matters that will be discussed on the call today may contain forward looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent annual reports on Form 10 ks and our quarterly reports on Form 10 Q for a discussion of factors that may cause results to differ from management's projections, forecasts, estimates and expectations.

Also on this call, we will discuss some measures of our company's performance that differ from those recognized by GAAP. Reconciliation of our non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, which we are able to calculate and report are contained in the earnings press release kit and the Dominion Energy Midstream Partners' press release. For our prepared remarks, Jim Chapman, Chief Financial Officer, will provide financial updates, including quarterly earnings results Tom Farrell, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, will review safety and operating performance, highlight progress on growth initiatives and provide other updates. I will now turn the call over to Jim Chapman.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Dominion Energy reported operating earnings of $1.15 per share for the Q3 of 2018, which was at the top of our guidance range. Drivers relative to our guidance include lower operating and maintenance expense, higher margins at our Power Generation Group and better than normal weather. GAAP earnings were $1.30 per share for the quarter. The principal difference between GAAP and operating earnings was a gain on nuclear decommissioning trust funds.

A reconciliation of operating earnings to reported earnings can be found on Schedule 2 of the earnings release kit. Moving to results by business segment, EBITDA for the Power Generation Group was $820,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, at the top end of its guidance range. Lower operating and maintenance expense, higher margins and favorable weather contributed to the outperformance. The Power Delivery Group produced EBITDA of $434,000,000 which was near the midpoint of the guidance range. And the Gas Infrastructure Group produced 3rd quarter EBITDA of $598,000,000 which was in the top half of its guidance range.

Lower operating and maintenance expense was the primary driver for that outperformance. Overall, we are pleased with another quarter of very strong execution across our businesses. Dominion Energy Midstream Partners produced 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA and distributable cash flow of $76,000,000 $50,000,000 respectively. On October 19, Dominion Energy Midstream's Board of Directors declared a distribution of $0.369 per common unit payable on November 15. This distribution represents a 5% increase over last quarter's distribution.

On September 19, Dominion Energy announced an offer to exchange each outstanding public Dominion Energy Midstream common unit for 0.2468 of a Dominion Energy common share. The Board of Dominion Energy Midstream has authorized its independent complex committee to evaluate that offer. Given Dominion Energy's existing ownership interest in Dominion Midstream, the consent of 3rd party unitholders is not required to approve this transaction. We expect to complete a definitive agreement between the 2 companies this quarter with closing to follow in early 2019. We also expect to recommend to the Dominion Midstream Board a 4th quarter 2018 common unit distribution to be paid in early 2019 prior to or in conjunction with transaction close.

Given anticipated cash flows and the existing financing mix, that final distribution is expected to be equal to the Q3 distributions that was declared on October 19. Tom will provide some additional remarks later in the call about the rationale for our decision to eliminate Dominion Energy Midstream Partners as a financing vehicle for Dominion Energy. Moving now to our credit improvement initiatives, we are pleased to have completed several meaningful steps towards achieving our previously announced credit objectives for the year. First, in September, we closed on a $3,000,000,000 nonrecourse term loan at our Cove Point facility. Strong demand from a broad lending group drove attractive pricing and terms.

Proceeds from the financing are being used to reduce parent level debt. 2nd and also in September, we announced agreements to sell our interest in 3 merchant power generating facilities representing some 1.8 gigawatts of generation capacity for approximately $1,300,000,000 of cash consideration across 2 transactions. We greatly appreciate the dedicated service of the power employees who have served our company with distinction. Given our increased strategic focus on regulated energy infrastructure, these assets have become increasingly non core. We are pleased with the results of this initiative and we expect both transactions to be closed before the end

Speaker 4

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Speaker 3

year. Cash sale proceeds are being used to reduce parent level debt. 3rd, as announced this morning, we have executed an agreement to divest our 50% interest in the Blue Racer Midstream joint venture to First Reserve and Affiliated Investment Funds for total consideration of up to $1,500,000,000 including cash consideration of $1,200,000,000 and up to $300,000,000 of ongoing earning earn out payments through 2021 based on Blue Racer Midstream's ongoing performance. We have consistently indicated that Blu Racer, while a very high quality business with an extremely capable management team, is considered non core for Dominion Energy and the sale of our interest would be opportunistic based on a compelling valuation and structure. This transaction represents an attractive valuation multiple range of 14 times to 16 times estimated 2018 EBITDA based on bookings of potential payments to be received under the earn out structure.

We expect to close by the end of the year and upfront cash sale proceeds will be used to reduce parent level debt. We wish to thank the other Blu Racer owners, the management team and the employees for their collaboration and successfully executing the very impressive growth of this business since the partnership was created in 2012. To summarize, we have sourced funds to reduce our parent level debt by around $8,000,000,000 including approximately $2,300,000,000 of new equity, approximately $2,500,000,000 of proceeds from non core unregulated asset sale agreements with up to $300,000,000 of additional payments through 2021 and $3,000,000,000 from the Cove Point asset level financing. As a result of these steps, we expect to achieve cash flow coverage metrics that support our existing credit rating and achieve our targeted parent level debt to total debt metric 2 years earlier than originally planned. By divesting some of our last remaining unregulated businesses, we have also improved our business risk profile.

Now to earnings guidance at Dominion Energy. Operating earnings for the Q4 of 2018 are expected to be between $0.80 and $0.95 per share compared to $0.91 per share earned in last year's Q4. Positive factors relative to the Q4 of 2017 include the contribution from Cove Point liquefaction and lower tax expense due to tax reform. Negative factors include lower solar related investment tax credits, higher financing costs and higher share count. Given where we are in the year, we are narrowing our 2018 full year guidance range to $3.05 to $4.10 per share, preserving the same midpoint as our original guidance.

Assuming normal weather, we continue to expect operating earnings per share for 2018 to be above the midpoint of this narrowed guidance range. We are also affirming our 2017 to 2020 operating earnings per share compounded annual growth rate of 6% to 8%. Please note that 2019 full year guidance is expected to be provided on our Q4 2018 earnings call to take place early next year. I will now turn the call over to Tom Farrell.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Jim. I congratulate Jim on his new role as our company's Chief Financial Officer. Since joining Dominion, Jim has played a key role in our most important strategic and financing initiatives and I'm confident that he will do very well in this new role. I also wish to take a moment to recognize the transition of Mark McGettrick, who has been with the company for 38 years, the last nine of which have been as an exemplary CFO. We wish Mark our very best.

Going into the final quarter of the year, our company is operating at the lowest OSHA recordable incident rate in our more than 110 year history, exceeding our record setting results last year and placing us ahead of 15 of the 17 peer companies operating in the Southeast United States. On the job safety does not just happen. These results represent years of focus on making sure that every employee returns home in the same condition in which they arrived at work that day. We will continue to improve until we achieve the only acceptable safety statistics, 0. Operating performance across our asset portfolio continues to be excellent.

I'd like to share 4 examples. First, our nuclear units extended a company record by operating for 7 53 days and still counting without an unplanned automatic reactor shutdown. This represents the nuclear power industry's best fleet performance. 2nd, Hurricane Michael represented the 6th largest outage event in the company's history with over 600,000 customers without power at their peak, representing nearly a quarter of our electric customers. Within 48 hours of Michael exiting our service territory, our crews had safely restored power to nearly 90% of the customers affected and we restored service to every customer within just 5 days.

3rd, the Cove Point liquefaction facility, which was the largest single capital project in both the company's and the State of Maryland's history, has liquefied almost 100,000,000,000 cubic feet of gas for export by our customers since entering into commercial service. And during the recent planned outage, the site reported no OSHA recordable injuries despite the presence of nearly 600 staff and contractors on-site. Finally, in recent months, we have launched an initiative to improve our engagement with investors regarding our industry leading track record on environmental, social and governance matters. We have enhanced our disclosures and we'll launch an ESG dedicated website in the coming days. At Dominion, ESG is a Board level priority as evidenced by the recent creation of a Sustainability and Corporate Responsibility Board Committee that oversee our performance as a sustainable organization and responsible corporate citizen.

Now I will turn to business updates. At the Power Generation Group, construction of the $1,300,000,000 Greenville Power Station continues apace and was 98% complete at the end of September. The project is expected to achieve commercial operations on time and on budget in early December. We filed with Virginia State Corporation Commission for the first of what we expect will be several utility scale solar projects for inclusion in rate base. We have significantly expanded our solar fleet in recent years and now ranked as the 4th largest utility owner of solar generation in the United States.

We will continue to add regulated solar capacity and the clean energy gas fired generation required to complement new solar generation, both at the urging of our state's elected representatives. On October 16, we filed with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for subsequent license renewable for the Surrey Power Station Reactors. This is an important first step in what we expect will be a multi year $4,000,000,000 investment program that will extend the lives of both the Suri and North Anadarkler stations by an additional 20 years. We expect to submit the North Anadarkler license extension application in 2020. As a result of this initiative, our customers will continue to benefit from clean, reliable and low cost generation from these best in class facilities.

Have also filed with Virginia State Corporation Commission for approval to construct 2 offshore wind turbines under a fixed cost construction contract. Like the solar and nuclear relicensing investments, this pilot project has the support of Governor Northam and Virginia's General Assembly and will provide important early learning that we believe will lay the foundation for commercial scale offshore wind for Virginia's clean energy future. Finally, on September 14, we filed our offers in response to the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection's RFP for procurement of 0 carbon resources. We have requested that Millstone be recognized as an at risk resource with a contract to sell a portion of Millstone's 0 carbon power starting July 1, 2019. We are pleased that both DEEP and the Office of Consumer Council have filed briefs asking that the Connecticut Public Utilities Regulatory Authority grant Millstone at risk designation, which would allow Millstone's offers to be judged on price and non price attributes such as 0 carbon, economic impact and fuel security.

Millstone is vital to Connecticut in each of these respects. GEP is expected to select RFP winners by the end of this year. Winning bidders will be validated by PURA and then enter into contracts with the local electric distribution companies. We have been clear with Connecticut policymakers that a contract providing long term financial assurance is the only path forward for Millstone's continued operation. At the Power Delivery Group, we continue to benefit from very strong electric sales growth.

2018 year to date weather normalized sales are 2.4 percent higher than the same period last year led by strong growth across data centers, residential and industrial classes. We have placed nearly $600,000,000 of electric transmission assets into service through the Q3. In July, we filed our grid modernization plan with the Virginia State Corporation Commission for the 1st 3 year phase to include over $900,000,000 of investment in grid reliability, resiliency and security. And in October, we completed the 1 1000 mile in our rider program to place 4,000 miles of overhead taplines underground, improving our ability to respond to storm events like Florence and Michael. Both of these long lived investment programs were found to be in the public interest in bipartisan legislation signed by the governor earlier this year.

At the Gas Infrastructure Group, we continue to make progress on the Atlantic Coast pipeline and supply header projects. We have been constructing in West Virginia and North Carolina. In October 19, we received the final Virginia permit required to petition FERC to be underway with full mainline construction in all three states. Following approval from FERC of our notice to proceed filing, we will begin mainline construction in Virginia. We appreciate the professional manner in which all of our permitting agencies have worked collaboratively with us to ensure that this critical energy infrastructure project will meet the stringent environmental standards required by law and regulation.

The FERC software order and delays obtaining permits necessary for construction have impacted the cost and schedule for the project. As a result, project cost estimates have increased from a range of $6,000,000,000 to $6,500,000,000 to a range of $6,500,000,000 to $7,000,000,000 excluding financing costs. Atlantic Coast Pipeline is pursuing a phased in service approach with its customers, whereby we maintain a late 2019 in service dates for key segments of the project to meet peak winter demand in critically constrained regions. ACP will be pursuing a mid-twenty 20 in service date for the remaining segments. Abnormal weather and or work delays may result in cost or schedule modifications in the future.

We are currently working with customers to determine the rates and terms for interim service. Although we cannot discuss the details of those discussions, we are confident that we will balance customers' needs and preserve the returns for ACP. The supply header project target in service remains late 2019. Moving from gas transmission to gas distribution, are making important progress on our gas utility pipeline replacement programs. We are investing over $300,000,000 annually under existing riders across our service territories to enhance the safety and reliability of the gas distribution service that we offer our customers.

We are pleased with the meaningful role that Dominion Energy is playing in delivering critical energy resources to a wide variety of customers and across the spectrum of regulated energy infrastructure platforms. We are constantly challenging the status quo to be sure we are adapting to meet the evolving desires of our customers. In fact, Dominion recently added a 5th element to our long standing core values of safety, ethics, excellence and One Dominion Energy. Our new core value is Embrace Change, which speaks to our focus on adapting our business to the accelerating pace of technological change and increased diversity in our society. This focus on innovation and change will drive us to transform the customer experience and deliver affordable energy to our customers that is cleaner, more sustainable and more reliable.

Several years ago, when we divested our exploration and production portfolio, we set in motion the transformation of Dominion Energy from a heavily commodity exposed E and P and utility company into one of the world's finest regulated energy infrastructure companies. The offer to buy in Dominion Midstream as well as the sale of merchant power generation assets and our interest in Blue Racer Midstream will further reduce commodity exposure and simplify our business model. We have identified and are actively developing a diverse set of regulated growth programs across all of our operating units that will provide meaningful benefit to our customers and aggregate to 1,000,000,000 of dollars annually of growth capital investments which will support our earnings growth well into the next decade. Let me turn now briefly to the offer we have made effectively to buy in Dominion Energy Midstream Partners. This decision was the result of a careful and patient evaluation of the sustainable ability of Dominion Midstream to support Dominion Energy's growth capital plans at a cost of capital advantage.

We took Dominion Midstream public in late 2014. Since we took them public, there has been a gradual but observable shift in public capital market support for the MLP structure. That retreat accelerated meaningfully after FERC's March 15 policy reversal on income tax recovery through cost of service rates. Public equity investment in Master limited partnerships this year is some 90% lower than in past years and the outlook for recovery to historic levels is not promising. In addition to weak capital market conditions, there has been an evolution of limited partner investor views on incentive distribution and governance rights that erodes support for the structure that allowed Dominion Energy as general partner to exercise a level of operational control and retain an amount of financial upside that exceeded the level of our common unit ownership.

For these reasons, Dominion Energy has provided Dominion Midstream with an exchange offer that represents fair value for its underlying assets. Finally, I want to make a few comments on our offer to merge with SCANA Corporation. In North Carolina, we are pleased to have agreed to a settlement with the staff that is currently before the commission and which we expect will be approved in December. In South Carolina, the hearing on a number of related matters commenced this morning. Last week, we submitted an alternative customer benefit plan as an option for the PSC to consider, which provides significant customer value, while also preserving the economics of the transaction for Dominion Energy.

While we prefer our original plan, we are comfortable with the new alternative. And if the commission determines that the alternative plan is in the best outcome for customers, we are willing to move forward with that solution. We are confident that we will complete our merger with SCANA later this year. In summary, we have successfully executed several initiatives to support our earnings and credit objectives and the sale of non core unregulated assets will further improve our business risk profile and clarify our investment narrative. We have delivered very strong earnings results that have been at or above the high end of our guidance range for 3 straight quarters and we continue to expect that full year results will be above the midpoint of our narrowed guidance range.

The company continues to demonstrate a culture of excellence in safety and operating performance. We are embracing enhanced reporting and disclosures around ESG matters and look forward to increased investor outreach on those topics. We are laying the foundation for the diverse portfolio of capital investment programs that will drive predictable growth well into the next decade. We continue to progress towards completion of the Atlantic Coast pipeline and supply header projects and we are optimistic that we will complete our merger with SCANA late this year. With that, we will be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you. At this time, we will open the floor for questions. And the first question will come from Shahriar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 6

So very healthy transaction multiple on Blue Racer. So quick thoughts there as I'm assuming this kind of surpassed your internal assumptions. But more importantly, can you just elaborate further on the earn outs? And are they incremental to your current delevering timeframe assumption? Or do you assume the earn outs are kind of in your plan?

So like what I'm trying to get at is, could we see a further reacceleration of your parent leverage targets?

Speaker 3

Thanks. Thanks, Shahriar. It's Jim. Hey, Jim. Yes, we are very happy with that transaction, satisfied with the value and the terms.

And in particular, we're happy with the structure which allows us to, on the one hand, derisk at 1.2, but on the other hand, still participate in the growth of that business over the next 3 years with the up to $300,000,000 of earnout payment. The details, the very specific details of those earn outs are not going to be public. That's between, I guess, us and First Reserve. But it's formulaic. So as Blu Racer revenues and EBITDA grow over that time period above some reasonable threshold, we participate in that every year, participate in that growth up to that $300,000,000 maximum level.

So very happy. As it relates to our credit profile, we are using the upfront proceeds this year to repay parent company debt. I think that brings us to where we need to be on a credit basis already. So the $300,000,000 the up to $300,000,000 over the next 3 years is just part of the give or take on our overall plan of 6% to 8% earnings growth through 2020.

Speaker 6

Got it. Okay. So it's incremental. Okay, great. And then just real quick on ACP, we got the delay, we got the higher cost estimate, right.

So can you just elaborate a little bit further on how we should think about the impact of the project's returns versus your original estimate? What does sort of tax reform kind of mitigate any return pressures versus what your original assumptions were? And then just real quick around sort of the delays. I mean, it seems like you're hedging yourself a little bit around potential for further delays. Can you just hit on a little bit of the contingencies you sort of have in place to mitigate any further delays?

I mean, do you feel better about this updated in service date?

Speaker 5

I'll answer the question on the return, Shar, and then Diane Leopold will talk about the hedging as you refer to it. Through this process, we've already been through one process with customers on the rates and we will continue to work with them. The returns are going to be very adequate and commensurate with the normal returns we get on projects like this in our midstream business. So I will turn it over to Diane.

Speaker 7

Okay. Good morning. This is Diane Leopold. What I would say is, is first when we updated the cost estimate in light of the delay and the stop work order, We also updated all cost estimates for aspects of all aspects of our construction plan, including seasonality and when we're going to be building each of the spreads and related productivity factors. We believe those are very reasonable for the plan that we have in place.

And then we did add appropriate contingency levels to cover a range of risks that are typical for a project at this phase.

Speaker 6

Got it. Okay, thanks. Jim, congrats on your first earnings call. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you for the question. The next question will come from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 8

Yes, good morning. So just agreeing on the great sales price on Blu Ray, so just in the context of reaffirming your 6% to 8% growth, does that fully include now all these asset sales?

Speaker 3

It does.

Speaker 8

And the debt pay down? Okay.

Speaker 3

It does.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. And then just Jim, you mentioned the business mix improvement. Is that so obviously, we can see that. Is it possible you also get some kind of business risk rejiggering from the agencies or from these changes or is that not likely?

Speaker 3

I think that's possible. We certainly see it that way. It's the reason we've done it in this manner. It's a little bit early to comment as we haven't really held those discussions yet with the agencies. But that would be a fair argument to make in my view.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then maybe one last question for Tom. Just on the SCANA deal, I think you said you remain very optimistic on getting it done. Just it's obviously very noisy down there and it's hard to when you're watching it from the newspapers to necessarily be that strong on it. So could you maybe just give a little more rationale why you're very optimistic on getting it done?

Speaker 5

Sure, Steve. It is noisy. There is lots of things going on and lots of moving parts. But we've been working on all those moving parts now for 10 months. We're very familiar with the folks that we're dealing with and what their interests are and needs are.

And in the end of the day, the Dominion offer or two offers now, our original offer, which is very popular with customers, by the way, and the alternative offer, which is popular with other kinds of customers, are by far and away, it's not even close, the best alternative for SCANA in the state of South Carolina and very confident that the policymakers will come to that conclusion. You saw that last week or earlier, I guess, this week, with the letter from Speaker Lucas, for example, recognizing that among all the alternatives, this was the best.

Speaker 8

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you for the question. The next

Speaker 4

Good morning. Can you hear me? Sorry.

Speaker 5

Yes. Good morning.

Speaker 4

There's no mention in the official slide deck or the release on dividend policy. So can you just restate where you are on the dividend policy, please?

Speaker 5

No change to our dividend policy.

Speaker 4

No 10% growth through 2019?

Speaker 5

Yes. Obviously, it's up to the Board. It's up to the Board, but that's the expectation, yes.

Speaker 1

The next question will come from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning. Good morning, Julien. Hey. So I just wanted to follow-up a little bit on the credit question still. Can you elaborate a little bit on the use of proceeds here?

Just Blue Racer, obviously, very well done on the magnitude of proceeds there. But just in thinking about the near term and practically what you're doing?

Speaker 3

Yes. So for the Blu Racer sale proceeds and the generation sale proceeds, all expected this quarter. So, we will take that and use it to repay parent level debt as mentioned. And we have kind of an array of debt with parent company, some of which is prepayable, some of which is commercial paper, which is kind of a shop absorber based on timing of their seat, etcetera. So we have identified ways to use that cash this quarter to pay down parent level debt.

What I would say is I wouldn't expect some big bang kind of liability management exercise with tenders and the like. It's going to be managed on a more subtle basis with our existing securities, which are prepayable, etcetera.

Speaker 4

And maybe to clarify that, just obviously, some very good multiples here. I mean, net net, how do you see it in terms of accretion dilution on an earnings basis

Speaker 8

relative to the liability management?

Speaker 3

Given the sales prices achieved and given the reduction in interest from the debt pay down and given the likely receipt of earn out proceeds on the Blu Racer side, We are very comfortable that impact is modest and in line with our 6% to 8% growth profile through 2020.

Speaker 4

Got it. Excellent. And then just a quick clarification on the last one on SCANA. Just with respect to the deal and obviously the court case ending, I mean, how do you see that court case, there's a pathway to that court case and the ability to close the transaction given any range of outcomes?

Speaker 5

Well, one of the conditions we have to close is there's no change in law. That court case would change the law as it existed when we made the original transaction. But no order has been entered. Lots of rumors running around South Carolina and I just wouldn't believe everything one reads in the newspaper about every single thing everybody is saying. We are going to continue to work with all the parties, including that we have the lawsuit.

We are not a party to the lawsuit, but obviously interested in the outcome of that lawsuit, as well as what's going on at the Public Service Commission. So, all of these things have to be resolved without affecting financial parameters that we entered into the original financial parameters we entered into with SCANA in January or we won't close. I am optimistic that that will all we will work our way through all of it and we will close by the end of the year.

Speaker 4

Alrighty. Excellent. Congrats again, Jim.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you. The next question will come from Praful Mehta with Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 9

Thanks so much. Hi, guys, and congratulations, Jim.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks Prabhu.

Speaker 9

So quickly just following up on SCANA, I wanted to understand what prompted the new proposal? Was there some feedback you received that suggested this would go better? And is there a room for another proposal or this is it at this point, this is what's on the table and you're expecting one of these to kind of go through?

Speaker 5

We have been in dialogue with people, variety of customers, customer classes, policymakers, all gamut for literally last 10 months. And it became apparent to us that there was a significant interest by many in moving the refund into more of an ongoing rate reduction. So we worked through that and came up with a proposal that you saw us put forward, I guess it was last week. Things are all sort of running together. I guess it was last week we put that proposal out.

But that's all. There is 2 proposals. Either one, we are comfortable with. We don't expect any changes to either one of them.

Speaker 3

Got you. Fair enough.

Speaker 9

And then secondly, in terms of Blue Racer, the $300,000,000 earn out, Jim, is that expected to show up in operating earnings or is that going to be removed more as one time?

Speaker 3

The $200,000,000 most likely in operating earnings.

Speaker 9

I got you. And then finally just on ACP, if you have you kind of highlighted the point that you want to hit the late 2019 timeframe to meet the critical winter period. If you don't hit that timeframe, is there any implications from an earnings or any penalties perspective?

Speaker 7

No, I wouldn't expect any change in earnings. The construction planning costs are going to be similar regardless given the AFUDC that we have when we get into service.

Speaker 1

Thank you. This does conclude this morning's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines and enjoy your day.

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