Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Nov 3, 2020

Good morning, and welcome to the HealthPeak Properties, Inc. 3rd Quarter 2020 Conference Call. All participants After today's presentation, Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like turn the conference over to Barbette Rogers, Senior Director, Investor Relations. Call, today's conference call will contain certain forward looking statements. Although we believe the expectations reflected in any forward looking statements, are based on reasonable assumptions, are forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. A discussion of risks and risk factors is included in our press release and detailed in our filings with the SEC. We do not undertake a duty to update any forward looking statements. Certain non GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this call. In an exhibit of the 8 K we furnished with the SEC yesterday, we have reconciled all non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure in accordance with Reg G requirements. The exhibit is also available on our website at www.healthpeak.com. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Tom Herzog. Thank you, Barbat, and good morning, everyone. On the call with me today are Scott Brinker, our President and CIO and Pete Scott, our CFO. Also on the line and Q and A portion of the call are Tom Klutch, our Chief Development And Operating Officer and Tremick Henry, our Chief Legal Officer and General Counsel. Starting with our Q3 results. 3 quarters of our business represented primarily by Life Science And MOBs, is performing on track or ahead of our pre COVID expectations. We are seeing leasing executions in life science and MOBs that are in line with or ahead of our original annual plan, and we have increased our same store outlook in both segments. In Life Science, our development activity remains on track with very strong preleasing. The industry continues to set records in VC funding, IPOs, and secondary equity offerings, which is adding to the already strong demand for space. In a medical office, we are on track with our development program with HCA and have or expect to deliver 4 development projects this year. The other 1 quarter of our business represented by SHOP, Triple Net and CCRCs, continues to experience pressure from occupancy and expense trends related to COVID, partially offset by CareZACT stimulus. However, our results have been quite favorable relative to the outlook framework we provided last quarter improvements to PPE, testing, staffing, quarantines and other protocols have allowed our senior housing operators to better contain outbreaks of the virus and to function more effectively and profitably. As we look forward, we are encouraged that healthcare workers and seniors are prioritized to receive a vaccine when available in Phases 1a and 1b. Over the past 4 years, we have while reinvesting the proceeds in our growing life science, MOBs, and C CRC businesses, each of which consists of irreplaceable and high barrier to entry portfolios and each with significant embedded upside. In our life science business, we have critical mass and a strong competitive position in each of the 3 major hotbeds of innovation. South San Francisco, Boston and San Diego. In the Boston Life Science market, during the past 3 years, we have built a 2,400,000 square foot portfolio, inclusive of our latest acquisition and development announcements. With Boston now being roughly equivalent in size to our San Diego Life Science portfolio. We have grown and strengthened our medical office business with a renewed focus on new developments of HCA and other top hospitals. Including our acquisitions and development completions announced last night, We have added almost 800,000 square feet of on campus medical office space year to date. In earlier this year, we increased our ownership interest in our CCRC portfolio to 100% and transitioned to operations Celsius. Who is, in our view, the top operator in this important segment of senior housing. We currently have a one point $2,000,000,000 active development pipeline that is fully funded in our plan and 63% pre leased. Additionally, we have an enormous shadow pipeline of development and densification opportunities in our life science, MOBs, and CCRC businesses. With significant value creation potential over the next 10 to 15 years. And our company remains in great financial shape with strong liquidity and fortress balance sheet, which we continue to manage carefully. And finally, During 2020, we continue to invest heavily in people and systems and have built what we believe is one of the top platforms in our industry. Adds to the status of our shop and triple net portfolio transactions. First, over the last 4 years, we have dramatically reduced the size of both our shop and triple net portfolios with aggregate sales of over $5,000,000,000. As I noted during our last quarterly earnings call and on our recent webcasted industry conference presentation, there has been strong interest in our shop and triple net portfolios from a number of potential buyers that have considerable dry powder. These buyers include PE Firms, whose investment time horizon fits well to capture the future recovery and potential upside of the senior housing market. Accordingly, we believe there could be an opportunity to accelerate the exit of our shop and triple net portfolios, which we now consider noncore. We're in various stages on a number of transactions representing the majority of our roughly $4,500,000,000 plus or minus of Shop And Triple Met Assets, which Scott will discuss further in a few minutes. We believe Senior Housing will remain a vital asset class in our Society and will continue to serve the demand of the rapidly growing baby boomer demographic. But we will be a seller at the right price. But we are also fully prepared to play through and sell these assets over time, if needed. Regardless, our focus going forward will be on growing in our 3 core businesses of life science, MOBs, and CCRCs. Moving on to our dividend. Our year to date dividend currently exceeds our AFFO by $0.01, implying a year to date payout ratio of 101%. As we mentioned on prior calls, we are comfortable if our dividend modestly exceeds our AFFO for a short period of time. And we'll continue to assess our dividend based on our earnings results, the path of the virus, and the outcomes of our various potential transactions. Last night, we announced we are relocating our corporate headquarters to Denver and will be moving 20 to 25 people from Irvine to Denver during 2021. We chose Denver as it provides a centralized location relative to our nationwide portfolio, equal travel time to our 2 offices in Irvine and Nashville, which will continue to house the majority of our talented employee base. And quicker travel when meeting with our analysts, investors, and rating agencies around the country. Denver also provided a favorable location to attract and retain top talent. And finally, we also announced that we are replacing our age seventy five mandatory director retirement policy with a 15 year term limit. Given the current makeup of our board, we believe the new policy will provide a more orderly and consistent board refreshment over time and will maintain a favorable mix of experience and diversity. And frankly, I could not be happier with the breadth and depth of our current board. With that, I'll turn it over to Pete to discuss our financial I'll start today with a review of our third quarter results, provide an update on our balance sheet, and finish with a discussion on our 2020 outlook. Starting with our 3rd quarter results, we reported FFO as adjusted of $0.40 per share and same store cash NOI growth of 2.8%. Same store growth for the quarter was driven primarily by our 2 office platforms, which represent 85% of the same score pool and grew a combined 4.3%. As Tom mentioned, Both segments continue to benefit from favorable operating trends and tenant demand. Starting with Life Science, where the impressive 5.5 percent same store growth for the quarter was driven by strong leasing, contractual rent escalators, and positive mark to market. In medical office, 3.3% growth was driven by positive mark to market contractual rent escalators and higher ad rents, partially offset by a decline in parking income. As expected, year over year performance in our senior housing portfolio, which represents 12% of the same store pool, was challenged. Triple net growth of 4% was offset by a 16% decline in SHOP. As Tom mentioned, we are in various stages of selling the majority and generally accepted accounting principles 111 stabilized senior housing assets were classified as held for sale at quarter end. These assets are excluded from same store, which significantly impacts our reported results. In order to provide additional transparency, we added a pro form a senior housing page Had these assets been included in the same store pool, reported senior housing and shop same store would have been negative 27% and negative 44%, respectively. Two other items I would like to mention regarding our 3rd quarter results. 1st, we experienced a total of approximately $10,000,000 or $0.02 per share of elevated COVID expenses and our SHOP and CCRC portfolios combined. This compares favorably to the $20,000,000 in elevated COVID expenses we incurred in the second quarter. 2nd, we received approximately $2,000,000 or a little less than half a penny per share in Cares Act grants. When looking at our sequential revenue and NOI performance, particularly for CCRCs, It is important to note we received approximately $15,000,000 of Cares Act grant in the 2nd quarter compared to only $2,000,000 during the third quarter. Turning to our balance sheet. Our liquidity and balance sheet remains strong and provide us tremendous flexibility. We reported a net debt to EBITDA of 5.7 times. We ended October with $2,600,000,000 of total liquidity. And we have no bonds maturing until November 2023 when a modest $300,000,000 come to do. Moving on to our earnings outlook. We have updated our 2020 outlook and earnings framework, which can be found on pages 45 to 47 of our supplemental. Starting with medical office and life science. First, we have increased our medical office same store outlook by 50 basis points at the midpoint to 1.75% to 2.25%. 2nd, we have increased our life science same store outlook by 100 basis points at the midpoint to 5.25% to 5.75 percent, which is also 100 basis points above our original 2020 guidance range. In addition, depending on how collections progress through year end, our full year same store could surpass the top end of our range and speaks to the strength we see a 1 to 2p pickup in FFO per share for 2020. Now our 4th quarter outlook for Shop and CCRCs. As Tom mentioned, our SHOP and CCRC performance exceeded our August outlook framework. For SHOP, we expect occupancy to decline 100 to 200 basis points relative to the 3rd quarter, For CCRCs, we expect occupancy to be flat at the midpoint relative to the 3rd quarter. With regard to expenses, we expect both SHOP and CCRC 4th quarter incremental COVID expenses to be in line with the third quarter run rate. Important to note that the shop occupancy and expense outlook is inclusive of the entire stabilized shop portfolio owned as of November 1st, and does not adjust for potential disposition. While Scott will provide more detail on the specific transaction, let me provide a we closed on approximately $200,000,000 of acquisitions, inclusive of the Midwest MOB portfolio. We have also entered in the binding contract on $792,000,000 of life science acquisitions. Moving to dispositions. During the third quarter and through October, we completed $115,000,000 of noncore dispositions, which includes approximately $100,000,000 of senior housing We currently have a number of senior housing disposition in various stages, including approximately $1,500,000,000 under purchase agreement and approximately $2,000,000,000 under letters of intent, which if successful, are expected to close late 2020 or early 2021. The net proceeds from our senior housing dispositions could be used for future strategic acquisitions, debt repayments or potentially some amount of seller financing. On a run rate basis, our leverage will remain in the mid to high 5 times net debt to EBITDA. However, our spot leverage metric for the fourth quarter may temporarily go above or below our long target depending on when transaction flows. As a reminder, the earnings outlook and framework in the supplemental is based on our best available information as of the and I wanted to touch on a few highlights. And occupancy increasing 40 basis points. In medical office, the sector continues to show consistent favorable results of 98% of contractual rents received and occupancy unchanged from September. In SHOP, 98% of our properties are now accepting move ins and occupancy declined only 10 basis points which is the lowest monthly decline experienced during COVID. In CCRC, 100% of our properties are now accepting move ins and occupancy declined 20 basis points. Notably, our IL, AL and memory care occupancy was flat, which is the first month during COVID when occupancy did not decline. Additionally, in October, we received $5,500,000 of Cares Act grant, and we expect to receive an additional $7,500,000 during the balance of the quarter. Two last comments on the October preliminary results deck before turning the call over to Scott. First, we now include certain historical senior housing data by month going back to March. We felt it was important for the street to have all of this information in one place to assess COVID trends. 2nd, we modified our presentation to show operating metrics for the combined same store and stabilize held for sale portfolios. Our previous disclosures had only been for the same store portfolio, But given the magnitude of assets that went into held for sale this quarter, we felt it was appropriate to change our methodology. With that, let me turn in each business segment actual escalators to date. We're benefiting from our concentration in the core markets of San Francisco, Boston and San Diego, which together represent 97% of our portfolio. We're also capitalizing on 70% of our tenants are biotechs with the balance split between pharma, medical device, R&D, university. That's important because biotechs are capturing the vast majority of the capital inflows and, therefore, driving demand for space. Only 3% of our life science rent is from tech and office, significant because the lab environment can't be replicated at home. 2 thirds of our year to date leasing was done with existing tenants, highlighting the importance in life science of both relationships and scale in a local market. We have direct dialogue with our tenants about their growth, and a huge competitive advantage when they need more space. Year to date, we've executed more than 150% of our original full year leasing budget In 3Q, we executed 80,000 square feet of renewals at a 14% cash mark to market. New leasing was also strong and included a 118,000 square foot lease at the Boardwalk in Torrey Pines. That project delivers in 4Q 'twenty one and is now 100 percent preleased with a weighted average lease term of 13 plus years and a return on cost in the low 7% range. So another huge development success by our team and platform. Subsequent to quarter end, we signed an additional 96,000 square feet of leases in October. And the pipeline is solid as well with 227,000 square feet under letters of intent. Our new development deliveries over the next 15 months are 88% leased with very good activity on the remaining 12%. Based on a favorable supply and demand outlook, we began construction at 101 Cambridge Park Drive in West Cambridge, a 159,000 square foot lab building that we expect to deliver in 3Q22. The project is next door to our existing holdings in that submarket creating a 450,000 square foot Class A campus. Turning to medical office, leasing continues to be strong, and we're tracking in line with our original full year leasing budget. Nearly 700,000 square feet of leases commenced in 3Q including more than 400,000 square feet of renewals at a 4.3% cash mark to market. We ended the quarter with driven by the placement of 2 development projects into the operating and repayment of COVID related rent deferrals were also above 99%. Year to date bad debt is actually below historical averages reflecting operational excellence and the resiliency of We delivered nearly 200,000 square feet of medical office development in the quarter. This includes a 119,000 square foot building in Brentwood Tennessee. Upon delivery, it was 49% leased to HCA, with another 13% undersigned letters of intent. We also delivered a 70,000 square foot medical office building located at the Ogden Regional Medical Center in Utah. That project was 69% leased at delivery and is 78% leased today. Turning to our CCRC portfolio. Cash NOI was better than expected, driven by occupancy, COVID expenses being lower than anticipated and $2,000,000 of CARES Act funding. Entrance fee sales improved 30% versus last quarter, but are still about 50% below historical averages. We are seeing steady improvement in demand as LCS was able to begin phased reopens. Also, the strong housing market in Florida is a clear positive looking forward given our concentration there. Field Nursing occupancy within RCCRCs improved more than 1000 basis points since the low point in May as elective surgeries have resumed. Turning to SHOP. Occupancy declined 220 basis points when comparing ADC in June to the ADC in September, much better than we experienced in 2Q. And COVID expenses were just under for the quarter an improvement of 60% from 2Q. The improvement carried through to October with occupancy down only 10 basis points from September. Our operators have begun implementing phased reopening plans Currently 98% of our properties are allowing move ins, more than half are allowing in person tours, and between 75% 80% are now offering at least some level of family visitation and group activities, including dining. This gradual reopening drove a 70% increase over the prior quarter. On that portfolio, we collected 97 percent of contractual rent in 3Q with the other 3% deferred with capital senior living. Rent's coverage after management fee for the same store pool was 0.89 times on an as reported base which uses the industry standard of trailing 12 months 1 quarter interrears. On a real time basis, rent coverage after management fee for the 3 month period ended September was 0.62. In both cases, results were negatively impacted by moving the Aegis portfolio to held for sale, as that portfolio has strong rent cover. Turning to transactions. We're moving forward on a number of senior housing asset sales that will further rebalance our portfolio toward life science and medical office. We continue to see strong interest from buyers, and we're in various stages on roughly $4,500,000,000 senior housing dispositions and loan repayments, which we put into 4 buckets. First, since July 1, we closed on the sale of 14 assets for roughly $100,000,000 2nd, we have signed purchase agreements some binding and some non binding on 8 transactions for approximately $1,500,000,000 subject to closing commissions. 3rd, we have signed letters of intent on 6 transactions for approximately $2,000,000,000 and 4th, The majority of the remaining senior housing portfolio is actively being marketed for sale. If successful, we expect the exited shop sales to represent cash cap rates in the high fives on a pre COVID basis, and about 3% on a 3rd quarter annualized basis. And in the high fives based on property level EBITDAR. The price per unit for the senior housing sales range from nearly 600,000 to less than $50,000, given dramatic differences in age, location and competitive position. In all cases, we assets were sold after the applicable closing. It's also important to note that so there's no assurance on the completion of the asset sales. Also, in specific cases, we may choose to provide short term financing to speed up the closing. The seller financing, if any, would be in the 65% loan to value range with escalating rates to incentivize repayment as we have no intention of being a long term lender. Moving to acquisitions we've had great success finding opportunities to recycle proceeds from the asset sales, the vast majority of which were sourced off market and represent locations and relationships that we specifically targeted. In October, we closed on a 439,000 square foot medical office portfolio Price represents a 5.5% cash cap rate in year 1. Portfolio is 92% occupied, 6 of the 7 buildings are located on campus, and the other building is heavily anchored by a leading health system. We'd like to have scale of at least 200,000 square feet in any local market, and this acquisition allowed us to enter Indianapolis at scale. And to do so with the number one health system in North India, as well as the number one health system in South India. We're also under contract to acquire the Cambridge Discovery Park, a Class A, life science and research campus in West Cambridge. The campus is adjacent to Route 2 and with an easy walking distance to our existing holdings next to Abeloid Station. The purchase price represents a 5% cash cap rate and a 6.5% GAAP cap rate, inclusive of the mark to market. The 607,000 square foot campus expands our footprint in Boston and provides health peak with number one market share in West Cambridge. We also have the potential with existing entitlements to densify the Discovery Park with an additional 100,000 square feet. We're excited to do this acquisition in partnership with Boerfinch, a family owned company with decades of expertise and relationships in Boston. And finally, we're under contract to acquire a 12 Acre land site located between our existing Forbes and modular labs 3 development sites. This site gives us additional runway to its then our number one market share in South San Francisco. We now control the most prominent sites on all three major roads in this important submarket, which is the birthplace of biotech. Combined, these 3 contiguous sites allow Healthy to build an amenity rich campus with 1,000,000 square feet or more be built in phases based upon our assessment of supply and demand. In summary, we're making excellent progress transforming our portfolio with solid pricing on the senior housing sales, and compelling off market acquisitions and new development in life science and medical office. With these transactions, along with our strong balance sheet, and talented team, we're confident in our ability to deliver value to our stakeholders into the future. And now back to the operator for Q And A. So that everyone may have a chance to participate, we ask that participants limit their questions to 1 and a related follow-up. If you have additional And our first question today will come from Nick Yulico with Scotiabank. Thanks, everyone. So I guess, first question on the senior housing asset sales. If you could just talk a little bit more about why you're doing this now? And you did say that you're a seller at the right price. So I guess you do think that you are getting a good price here. Maybe you could talk a little bit more about why the pricing is attractive and why you're willing to get out of this portfolio right now others see growth in senior housing over the next couple of years. Why are you confident that you're going to sell at the right price and reinvest into something that's better growth in Senior Housing? So when I think about our decision to make these sales, I think I had mentioned that we had received interest from a number of parties And, as we assessed it, the movement forward was not a knee jerk reaction to COVID. Whether it was a strategic long range, decision, where we want our portfolio mix and future growth to reside. So we've been selling Senior Housing for about 4 years, as I mentioned in my script. And I think, as you know, But we do see COVID as providing a potential catalyst to fully exit the business. We, as we think about the reinvestment of the proceeds, we see lots of opportunities to reinvest in both internal and external opportunities in our life science businesses. And we do think both of those businesses have a natural competitive advantage for us Given our life science clusters, in the 3 major markets and the on campus HCA anchored MOB platform. So, as to, I think you mentioned pricing. The bottom line is this, is there Certainly, senior housing is down some right now. It's going to be a valid business going forward in the future. But at the same time, it's going to be a bumpy ride. And if we keep capture pricing in the ranges that we just spoke of, call it, high fives on shop on a pre COVID basis and call it a 3 on Q3 annualized, that's a pretty solid yield, at that pricing. And, with that, we're able to capture quite a strong price without having to go through the bumpy uncertain ride that, that certainly senior housing is going to have. So our view at that point is that there may be other players outside of Health Peak given our strategy that are better positioned to take advantage of that opportunity and let us move on to reinvest in these other businesses that we're interested in. Okay. That's helpful. I guess, the other question, relates to acquisitions, you have gotten a lot done here, some of which is income producing, majority of income producing, but also some land How should we think about if you're selling 4,500,000,000 of senior housing and your acquisitions, you just announced sort of just under a 1,000,000,000 still $3,000,000,000 plus to invest. How much of that is going to be in income producing properties Are you seeing there is at least, I know, 1 large life science portfolio right now where the reports are of $3,000,000,000 sale price is that should we think about something like that? You're gearing up for an acquisition like that. And I guess I'm wondering, in terms of the dividend, you did mention you're comfortable with the dividend for some short time being not fully covered by ASFO, but how confident you guys on being able to reinvest all this capital So it's not going to create a significant amount of dilution that would have to cut your dividend. Okay. There's a lot in that question. It's a great question. It covers a lot. Let me, let me try to sequence it in a way that'll help make sense of it. So we have acquisitions that we've announced of call it $1,000,000,000. Some of that in life science, most of it in life science, some of it in MOB. The MOB is up at a 5.5 cap, on campus. So we feel very good about that. A very strategic, in the life science side, a very strategic asset for us in West Cambridge, that has been a market that we have had interest in having significant market share and then the Gallo asset, which is contiguous to our BML 3 and Forbes land sites that are entitled and could create a mega campus force in the future So those were very strategic acquisitions for us, that we took off off market deals and we feel really good about them. When we think about the sales proceeds, as to how much of this makes we'll end up seeing, we have $1,500,000,000 under some form of, harder soft contract and a couple of $1,000,000,000 under LOI. We would expect that there's some or a fair amount or maybe all of it that gets done. We'll see how it plays out. But one has to remember that when orchestrating this big of a transaction, that tax planning becomes important. And a couple of these big portfolios, were 1031 capable which eliminates any tax risk that we would have with our investors that we consider to be very important And so then when we look at if we as we do the acquisitions, could we end up utilizing some of our liquidity, if a number of the sales don't make. And so we've put some information into our sup that I think you can back into quite easily to see that We will still have lots of liquidity and a great balance sheet, even if some of the sales don't make, we're going to be totally fine on that front. To your question about use of proceeds, you're referencing a major, we'll call it $3,000,000,000 life science deal, in Boston. I know which one you're talking about. That probably is not for us, a nice portfolio, We have not chosen to compete in East Cambridge. We'll leave that to some of our competitors. So for us, that's not one that we will pursue. And as to our dividend, the other leg of this whole thing, really at 101 percent payout ratio, it's pretty much just a fully covered dividend up to this point We've got a strong portfolio. Our balance sheet and liquidity are great. We're going to be comfortable. And I mentioned this a quarter ago, I mentioned at a recent conference, If our dividend modestly exceeds our AFFO for a short period, the impact in NAV is almost nothing. So as we proceed over the coming months, we'll be able to continue to assess the dividend based on our projected AFFO, the path and duration of the virus. Which is still uncertain. The outcomes of these sales, our preferred payout ratio as we reposition the portfolio and where we'd like to see that fall, And given all these facts, I just see little benefit in prematurely making an adjustment to our dividend before we see how these things play out. So the bottom line is when it comes down to a protracted dividend, with shortfall of size is something we would not do because we will seek to continue to protect our liquidity and ultimately our our credit ratings. So we're not worried about the dividend. We will end up in the right place on that when the right time comes and make the right decision on it. All right. Appreciate, Tom. Very helpful. You bet, Nick. Thank you. Our next question will come from Steve Sakwa with Evercore line of questioning, but maybe kind of take it at the higher level. And I realize there's a lot of moving pieces here, both on the disposition side and the acquisition side. But if you are successful in executing all of the sales in the call it $4,000,000,000 $4,500,000,000 range. And you sort of look out Is it your expectation that you can effectively achieve the same blended yield on the investments that you make on a stabilized basis. I realize there are some timing differences of when the money goes out and when the money kind of comes back in But was it your expectation longer term that this would be sort of FFO neutral, and maybe some dilution in the short term? Is that how you're thinking about it? It's a very interesting question and you almost have to be on the inside of the company to be able to model these types of things. The bottom line is, when one looks at the timing of transactions, And could that create some dilution that could affect payout ratio? I saw a couple of notes for that effect. It's a fair question. Think in terms of, if these assets do sell at the right price. And again, we've said we'll only liquidate these assets at the right at the right price or we'll play through. We've got a great platform. But if they do sell, at the current yield, in the third quarter and you can project forward what it looks like for us or any of our competitors as we go forward in COVID, is it really dilutive to sell assets now The answer is no. It's not dilutive at all. Not for the time being as we roll forward into the recovery, whether that's 6 months or 9 months or 24 months, we don't know, that could be a different answer, but that's a bumpy ride with a lot of uncertainty. So the answer is no. It's not more dilutive by taking these actions, because when you think about what would we use the proceeds for? We just showed that we had $1,000,000,000 of transactions that we could do at solid cap rates. We have more off market things that we're looking at that we will be able to do and decide if those make sense. To the extent that we have excess cash, That's not hard. We'll look at our 2024 2025 maturities and take debt out in the 4% range bring our net debt to EBITDA down, into the low fours for a short period of time and then identify other opportunities when the timing is right. Reinvest, put new longer date bonds in place. And, if it were in great shape in that, in that respect. So things I've read about were people relatively wondered would we have a special dividend or have to do some things that, make it more painful, we're just not in that position at all. So, Steve, to your question on yield, we spoke to the current quarter annualized roughly a 3 across on a blended basis. Just compare that to the types of investments that we would make that, would obviously have a yield that'd be much higher than that, even paying down debt temporarily, has a higher yield than that. And if there's a hockey stick recovery in senior housing, and I hope there is, then, it would, it would, we have a recovery quicker than we had expected. And that would all be good. It would not change our decision strategically and what we're trying to bring this company. So, I think those are all great questions and that's how we think about all those items. Okay. Just as a follow-up on development, realize you guys are looking to expand the development on life sciences and MOBs. A lot of people are expanding their life science endeavors in the markets in which you're operating in. Just maybe talk about some of the competitive supply issues. And is there any risk or worry on your part that the market gets a bit overheated, whether it be in Boston or, in South San Francisco. Well, hey, Steve, Scott here. I mean, certainly any real estate business has the potential for supply and demand to get out of balance for a short period of time. Longer term, we think the fundamentals in life science are as good as any real estate sector. But even looking over a shorter period of time, there's between 2,500,003,000,000 square feet of new supply in each of the 3 core markets today, but it's substantially pre leased. About 2 thirds on average. Now some submarkets are higher or lower than that, but that's a 2 year delivery timeframe, the 67 percent preleased, our portfolio is similar, 88% is leased that's delivering over the next 15 months, 68% that's delivering through the year end 2022. So we do a very, very careful supply and demand analysis before we pull the trigger on any new development. And the most recent was at 101 Cambridge Park Drive. In West Cambridge where we feel very good about the window that we would open in mid-twenty 22, given the amount of demand in that sector relative to the unleast new supply that's coming. So we'll continue to watch it, quarter to quarter as we make new decisions. We also think about our densification opportunities in that business, which is different than sitting on a bunch of vacant land. We feel like we've got up to 3000000 square feet of net additional space that we could add on existing campuses. And obviously, those are all in A plus type locations that we could do those tomorrow. We could do those 10 years from now or 20 years from now. So we don't feel like there's any urgency to those particular opportunities, which is a great place to be strategically that we can pull the trigger when we think supply and demand is favorable. Okay, thanks. Our next question comes from Michael Carroll with RBC. You provide some details on how far along these seniors housing sales are right now? I'm assuming the transactions are fairly far along given you're comfortable quoting sales prices and valuation. So I guess, would we assume that the $3,500,000,000 that you kind of quoted and highlighted in your press release, could be disclosed over the next few quarters? Oh, hey, Michael, it's Scott here. We'll hold off on quoting specific closing dates. I think we're better off talking about specific portfolios once they in fact do close. But you're right. I mean, we felt comfortable disclosing that we have $1,500,000,000 under signed purchase agreements with known counterparties that we have strong relationships with. They certainly have strong brand names and you think a high likelihood of execution, but it's unusual environment. So until they're closed, we'll disclose the names of the buyers and more importantly, the operators at that time. And then in the letters of intent, it's another $2,000,000,000, those are in various stages. Some were more recently signed and then some are substantially far along. So it really is a mix. We talked about having 14 different transactions in those 2 buckets alone in addition to all the assets that are marketed sale, but not yet exclusive. So we're making great progress, and yet it's a pretty dynamic environment that changes by the day. So the feedback could be different in 2 weeks or 2 months, but from where we sit today, we feel like we're making great progress and have picked good counterparties that will execute. And then, Scott, can you talk a little bit about the, I guess, raw roughly $800,000,000 that was not in that $3,500,000,000 type number. I mean, are those mostly triple net or shop assets? Is it a mix of both? Can you kind of give us some color on what's the progress on those specific assets? Yes, I'm happy to do that. It's a mix of triple net and shop. The, the stage of marketing those is some are close to signing letters of intent and some are just now being market for sale. And then we have some that are in joint ventures where we don't have unilateral authority to go ahead and make that decision. So the timing of those going for sale is more uncertain. Our next question will come from Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets. Hi, thanks for the time. I just wanted to shift to the corporate headquarter announcement And just see or confirm if all the senior executives that we know are staying with peak and making the move and what the potential cost could be of opening that new office? And kind of related to that, are there any offsets in the G And A that we should expect if you do, in fact, exit senior's housing with all the asset management people, etcetera, tied to that line of business? Hey, Juan, it's Tom. First of all, we're relocating 20 to 25 people in total. The Irvine And Natural Offices will remain in place nobody's losing their job as a result of these relocations. It puts us in a central live position, which I think is going to be much more efficient for the senior executives we'll have some senior executive talent that will be in Nashville as their main headquarters or their main location and the same with Irvine, but our, C suite and EVPs will also have offices in Denver I think it's I think that is going to work out very nicely. We always had difficulty with the travel back and forth between Nashville and Irvine because it was a connector flight made it very difficult for a large portion of our team that is now in charge of a bigger and bigger part of our business. And I can tell you, being in the very Southwest corner of the country when we had to head to Boston to oversee our 2,400,000 square feet of life science and other properties and, and, interact with Wall Street. Those were long flights. So we think this is going to be a better outcome. As far as cost savings, so as far as concerns, no, we don't have any concerns on that. As far as cost savings, there might be a little bit of that. Early on, I would say it's a push. Over time, Denver is a much cheaper place to do business. So it will probably have some, cost savings over time, but that wasn't the real reason that we that we did it. So as far as offsets in G And A, yes, there's a little bit of that that will occur over time, but not a big deal. This was more about getting our executive office in the right location and Denver is a better place to recruit and retain talent over time as well. So that that answered our thoughts as we made this move. My question, sorry, with regards to the G and A was more is there a benefit to shareholders from exiting seniors housing in terms of reducing that G and A mode? Since you'd effectively be exiting a third of your business outside of what you've maintained in CCRCs? Well, we'll keep the CCRCs If we looked at it from an NOI perspective, Shop And Triple Net are about 17% of our total NOI And as far as the G and A savings, that's not the motivation behind the move. So no, I wouldn't model a lot in. There might be a little bit. But we will reallocate our skilled personnel as we can. To other parts of the business that we are growing. So I do see some savings over time but I would not model anything dramatic into your numbers for them. Okay. And just my final question. Could you just provide a little bit more on the vendor financing? Like, how much potential are you willing to provide? And do you see that as a bridge maybe from an earnings perspective, to alleviate any pressures in the mismatch of reallocating that capital recycling that capital Maybe if you could just help us a little bit there on Quantum and how you're thinking about that? Hey, Juan. It's Scott. I'd say the answer is to be determined. We mentioned it because it's possible that for specific, portfolios, we would provide that as a way to get to the closing quicker. Obviously, the buyers buying at a blended 3 cap are underwriting a pretty dramatic improvement in NOI over time, which makes sense. The lenders are not always quite as willing to take that risk. So it's, at least for some of the portfolios, it's not an ideal time to source debt, as the NOI bounces back. Chances are that debt markets would become more favorable. So if we do provide the seller financing, it likely be in the 60% to 65% range. Of the purchase price. And we'd set it up with relatively short terms and escalating rates so that there's mutual incentive to pass back, sooner than later. Tom or Pete, anything you want to add? Yes. I can add some. Color to that. Hey, Juan. Nice to have you on these calls again. As you think about the use of proceeds here, think it's important to point out, we won't sit on debt cash, right. We have the ability to repay up to $1,500,000,000 of bonds when you look at what we have maturing in $23,000,000 $24,000,000. And so then when you think about the $1,000,000,000 of acquisitions we announced today. We've got a pipeline building as well. There may be a little bit of seller financing, within that as well as we've pointed out. So I wouldn't look at this as we're going to be sitting on a whole bunch of cash that we've got to put to work. We've got a plan for all of that. And as Tom mentioned, our leverage may dip into the high cores to the extent that we don't put that capital to work into acquisitions right away. But it will get back into the run rate mid-5s over a period of time as we do find the right acquisitions. Thanks a lot. Our next question comes from Jordan Sadler with KeyBanc. Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to just dig in a little bit in terms of redeploying the capital once it comes in, it's been touched on a little bit. You guys have already put $1,000,000,000 or so to work. But talk to us a little bit about mix going forward. I mean, is this going to be forty-forty-twenty what do you see in terms of the landscape over the next few quarters in terms of being able to deploy into life science will be in CCRCs? Jordan, next few quarters is a relatively short period of time. So let me address the exact question and you can expand it if you want. First, it depends on how much of these sales were successful in executing and the timing. Because they could be Q4 a bunch of it could be. It could get into Q1. So it depends. It depends on how much seller financing in a short term bridge might be required to get the sales done in certain cases. It depends on whether we've identified additional strategic acquisitions in our core businesses during that period of time. We have the option of paying down some 4 percent debt on $24.25 to be kind of nice to shave the top off of those debt maturity stack. So that would not bother us at all. And that could all happen over the next few quarters. And those will be decisions made based on what plays on all those different factors I just mentioned. As far as the mix, it's probably realistically easiest to invest in life science right now, because we've got so many densification opportunities and development opportunities But we also have strong opportunities in, MOBs, Tom Klaritch, with his decades long relationship with HCA and the things that we're doing with them have created some nice opportunity. We've got Justin Hill, who's out working his hospital relationships and identifying other off market places to invest money favorably. We have some densification opportunities in our CCRCs on those average 50 acre land parcels. That could create some upside. So it could be a whole variety of different things. I don't think we're going to be hurting for opportunities we're going to be underwriting carefully to make sure that the mix is right and we're engaging those funds in the highest risk reward opportunities that we have in front of us in these three businesses. Maybe as a follow-up, Tommy, I heard, sort of the commentary on the life side portfolio exposure, you guys are pretty bunched up in South San Fran, San Diego and Boston, obviously. Any appetite for additional markets or you think you'll stay focused? Well, I think we will stay pretty focused because we've got irreplaceable clusters in each of those three markets, and that's a very important thing. When you're dealing with biotech tenants that are rapidly growing, it's one of the most critical things frankly is to have purpose built Biotech space in clusters. So we're going to want to continue to capture share in those 3 markets, but that doesn't preclude us from going to some of the higher yielding cap rate markets outside of the 3 major hotbed innovation centers. And it is something we will be looking at But at this point, I wouldn't put it on the list of something that we're doing near term, but we are going to be looking at it. Scott, anything that you would add on that? Yes, the only thing I would add, Tom, is that in that business, it's so important to have scale in a local market. We mentioned that in the last, well, in 2020, 2 thirds of our leasing has been done with existing tenants So if we do enter a market, we would want to be able to do so in scale, not on my comments about medical office, but even more critical in life science. So that would be just a fundamental thing that we'd have to work through. Scott, I add one more caveat which just, you've been, an active participant in the senior housing landscape for a decade. How would you characterize buyer demand versus assets available for sale today. The buyer's market or seller's market? Yes. We went out to a very specific group of counterparties. So generally speaking, we went direct. We didn't run a bunch of broad auctions to get the temperature of the entire marketplace, it was quite targeted. And it was a mix maybe as you might expect, some were highly interested, and others were much less interested. I think that maybe the more interesting thing for my standpoint would be that most of the buyers seem to fall in the category of more sort of operationally intensive real estate. Investors as opposed to pure real estate investors. And I think that aligns with the direction that senior housing been moving. So that's probably the only kind of very unique thing that I've noticed over the past 6 to 9 months. Tom, anything you'd add? No, I think that's right, Scott. Thanks, guys. Okay, thanks. Hey, if I could ask, the analysts on the phone. We do have another ten people in the queue. We'll start to speed along if we could the questions and even our answers, but let's continue to proceed. We'll get to everybody. So let's go to the next, the next analyst operator place. Our next question comes from Nick Joseph with Citi. Hey, it's Bill and then I was going to ask an 8 partner like everyone else I'll keep it short. And I recognize the senior housing, this exit has sort of evolved over the last 3 to 6 months. So it's not necessarily massive new news, because I think you sort of earmarked it a little bit. But I'm thinking about what's left over and how you think about the synergies of the life science and the MOB business as well as the CCRCs with the framework of when you came into the role, you spent a lot of time talking about having a balanced portfolio, 3 private pay businesses with different drivers and having that diversity was going to be good for shareholders. So that if one part wasn't doing as well, the other one would pick up and you create this very stable portfolio that you eventually wanted to get to be a third, a third, a third, a third. Right? Clearly, things have changed. You've decided now to exit senior housing and you're left with predominantly an attractive life science and an attractive MOB business, where I understand you have the capabilities and strength in both in the marketplace But do they really have synergies, right? And you have pure play MOB players that are listed, you have a pure play life science player that's listed as well as a number of private life science players. So why keep these businesses together in addition to holding the CCRCs? What's the point? In other words, your point is that we spoke to a balanced portfolio of life science MOB senior housing, we're retaining the CCRCs and what is our investment thesis as to why to have the 3 businesses together with CCRCs remaining. Is that the main point? Yes. I mean, the question is, yeah, can you have what's the benefit of owning peak when there are more sharp shooters within each asset class separately capitalize, how do you view the synergies of the business going forward? Well, the way we've thought about it is that we've got, 3 businesses that all take advantage of the same baby boomer growth demographic. They're all private pay And in all three cases, these three businesses, have irreplaceable portfolios and high barrier to entry. And that's true, of course, in life science with these clusters, there's no way to reassemble that now. One could not reassemble and 84% on campus HCA anchored MOB business, with on an affiliated basis at the 97% range. And in CCRCs, there's no way that you could accumulate a portfolio of CCRCs, given that they rarely change hands, being their controlled by non profits. The CCRCs will only represent 8% of our company, but they price at an 8% to 10% cap rate. And that is a very, very strong return given the lower risk profile for this asset class is tracked to more affluent senior the nonrefundable entrance fees brings stability to the tenant base. We've got the 8 to 10 year average length of stay versus 2 year for shop. And these things sit on 50 acre parcels of land each 500 unit properties. We haven't had one new CCRC asset in 10 years within ten miles of any of our properties. Then we have LCS. That's a very well capitalized operator for the 5 decade, track record for operating CCRCs. So when we look at each of these three businesses, They do all benefit from the first three things that I spoke to and do create, some degree of diversification but all feeding off of the same, benefiting from the baby boomer demographic, the high barrier to entry, the irreplaceable portfolios. And so we do like all three of them and that that's a better plan. Now your other question, I think, really alluded to what changed our mind on shop and triple net, because you're right, we did talk a third, a third, a third, a third, And it wasn't, so long ago that we had 65% of our business that was sniff and senior housing. We spun our sniff We sold off 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 of dollars of senior housing. And those are good businesses for other companies. And the further into it we got at some point, we looked up and realized at 17% remaining shop in triple net, we have a decision to make. It's it is distracting. It's a it's a more volatile business. And would we be better as a REIT to allow some of our competitors to compete in that business and we bring it down to the 3 businesses that we chose, especially with COVID coming on driving that current yield and cap rate down for at least some period of time of the bumpy road to follow, what an opportunity to be able to choose to exit those businesses if that's what we preferred and, and do so on a non dilutive basis for some period of time. And that's the decision we came to if we're successful at the sale. And just as a follow-up, how much does managing the managers and senior housing play into how you feel about the lack of control over those assets and being able to adapt to things, whereas in the MOB and life science portfolios, if you and your own staff that are making the management decisions. Scott, do you want to take that one? Yes, I'm happy to, Tom. I mean, there's certainly a lot of friction in that structure, particularly for a REIT, we cannot. Own more than a small percentage of 1 of the operating companies. So that has been a source of friction throughout the life of the RIDEA structure, it seems to have intensified, as the acuity within the business has increased. So It certainly is part of our view and our decision around whether to exit the business, stay in the business or grow the business that has been a source of tension that feels like it's growing not decreasing, Michael. Yes. All right. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from Rich Anderson with SMBC. Hey, thanks. Good morning out there. So on the topic of this is a better business for someone else to do. How did you kind of come to that conclusion? I know you said what you said, but to the extent you just don't have the heart to kind of put into the business with all the moving parts and the bumpiness, but how much to quality play into this? In other words, Do you look at your portfolio and say, I don't know. I don't know if that can really compete with some of the portfolios that are out there. Did the were there any consideration specific to your portfolio that drove this decision or was this more of a holistic senior housing call just generally? Why don't you go ahead and start? Yes. Rich, it was a holistic decision. Now there are certainly some assets that in order to capture any NOI growth, the new owner will have to invest a pretty material amount of capital back into the building. And for a private equity firm with a 5 to 7 year time horizon, that is a perfectly fine outcome. That's not something that we were particularly excited to do. So yes, that played the role, but the decision to sell $4,500,000,000 plus or minus was 100 percent driven by just our view about whether the business fits inside of a healthcare REIT that otherwise has scale critical mass and a great platform in 2 businesses that are pure real estate businesses with we think very solid supply and demand in the short term, the intermediate term in the long term. And we think that's a company that's going to be very attractive to investors. As a pure real estate company. Senior Housing could be a great business. It's not really a real estate business going forward is our view. It feels much more like an operating business. And to my point earlier, that's the buyer pool of who we're talking to, they understand that, and that's what they're interested in. That's just different, very different than a real estate company, especially for a public REIT is our view. Okay. And then my second question, sorry, you're popular, so you're going to stick around for a bit, I guess. The, the topic that Michael Bilerman brought up about competing with your peers, you're reallocating probably some very smart people and that are focus on senior housing into these other asset classes. Do you think that there'll be some sort of time to kind of catch up to the Alexandria and the health care abilities and the health trust Healthcare Trust folks who spend all their time in medical office and life science, respectively. Or do you think it'll be a fairly easy kind of turnaround to get that level of IP redirected and functional to the extent that you'll be able to be as competitive and as smart in the spaces, those two asset classes? Rich, the bottom line is this. We've grown the 2 businesses of life science in MOBs, I think we'd be hard pressed to find an MOB team that has more experience than what we have, with Tom Klaritch having been one of the co founders of MedCap has been in the business for a long, long time with deep relationships So, no, we do not feel like we're coming from behind in that respect. And we have a bigger balance sheet the ability to put out more funds, do bigger deals. So we think we've got great competitive edge there. And when we look at, life science, We've been doing that for many decades because you have to roll all the way back to slough, before it was acquired by HCP in 2007, which is still quite a while ago, and we have some very deep experienced people in that business as well. Along with relationships, development expertise, portfolios that were purpose structured in clusters as pure lab, not the, not the Office Tech Combination type properties that you're seeing spring up more often now. So we feel that we're already in an outstanding position to compete in both of those businesses and along with some very, very large densification opportunities that we've alluded to a couple times and we will be bringing out more fully over the coming months to help investors understand the magnitude of those opportunities over the next period of years. Catch up more. Yes, I wasn't suggesting that the people that are there now that are doing that job are probably I'm certain or very good at the job. I'm just talking about as you grow and you're redeploying senior housing folks into these other asset classes, will it take some time for them to get sort of up to speed? But I get your point and it was perfectly well So thank you. Oh, no, no, I get that, Rich. As far as the senior housing folks, being dispersed into some of the other businesses, the businesses are already well staffed with experienced people and being able to bring some of the senior housing people into, some of these other businesses, skilled people that bring other talents in, I think, is a positive. And then realistically, I mean, let me make the statement is that within senior housing, if we do exit this business, there are a number of senior housing people in the platform. Some will remain with the CCRCs and if there's some senior housing that remains behind, it'll also be downsized that platform. And, but there is the reality of attrition that occurs. So some of that is taken care of naturally as well. So these are all things that we've been working through and considering. But I think we'll end up in a good place on all that. Our next question comes from Steven Valiquette with Barclays. Great. Thanks. Hello, Tom and Pete and Scott. Thanks for taking the questions. One of the pieces of good news from vesting most of your senior housing assets is that this will eliminate a lot of the additional operational uncertainty for the company in 'twenty one related to COVID-nineteen. I guess in light of that, are you planning to give official full year 2021 guidance when the time is right and you have more visibility on the and redeployment maybe on the fourth quarter conference call? And also just based on your comments earlier on this call about not much dilution anticipated from the senior housing asset sales. Is it your directional goal at least for now to try to grow FFO per share next year from whatever the final jump off point will be in 2020? Thanks. Yes. Pete, it's Pete here. Nice to hear from you. I think on the guidance question, it's a little soon to talk about 'twenty one guidance. We're in the middle of our budgeting right now. For this year, we wanted to provide the outlook framework that we put out. And I think it's been effective to at least help educate the street on the way we're looking at things right now. And obviously, there's still some uncertainty on the timing of the closing of transactions as well as at least for this year, some of these Cares Act grants and other things like that that I'd like to be able to issue formal guidance it's a little soon for me to talk about that on the call today. We'll talk about it more when we get to our next quarterly update call. I think as you think about your other question and what our earnings growth looks like as we head into next year to the extent that we're successful in disposing of these senior housing assets without SHOP and triple net, I can say unequivocally that we should have much more stable earnings going forward. As Tom mentioned, our portfolio will be comprised of the 3 stable high barrier to entry businesses. And when you look at medical office, we've grown same score by 2% to 3% the last 15 plus years, life sciences, escalators are above 3% in that business and we're in a great backdrop from a positive rent mark to market. And the CCRCs have a longer length of stay on a stable NRF model. So as we look at those businesses, we do think they should generate 2% to 3% consistent same store growth. In fact, in the near term, it might actually be better than that given the backdrop in life sciences. We also have this well established development and redevelopment platform. And we've got future densification opportunities across our portfolio. So as we look forward, I don't want to give a specific timeline on this, but when you factor in all the things that I just said, that is basically 4% to 5% FFO growth you put a dividend on top of that, and I know Tom has talked about it in the past. And we see ourselves as a very stable 8% to 10% annual total shareholder return REIT. And I think that's something that will really appeal to the market out there because the date in the health care REIT sector, you haven't really been able to find a lot of those companies. Yes, it's extremely helpful. And yes, you're right. I mean, the last 5 years, you've had FFO going down mainly because of that sectors and the amphitheaters to talk about the CAGRs for growth going forward again. So I appreciate the color. Thanks. Our next question comes from Joshua Dennerly with Bank of America. Hey, everyone. Most of mine have already been answered, but one question for you on that 4,500,000,000 of the potential sales, how is that split between the net lease valuation and shop valuation? I know you gave the cap rates, but it's kind of hard to back into back into it. Hey, Josh, it's Scott. We can't quite comment on that level of detail. I think the best thing we could point you to is just the disclosures that we have that show the amount of triple net rents in the portfolio as well as the amount of SHOP NOI, both historically, but in obviously 3Q as well and try to use the cap rates that we've provided separately. And I think you'll at least get into the same are the right ballpark, but we're not going to say much more than that at this point. Thanks. Our next question comes from Daniel Bernstein with Capital 1. Hi. Since almost everything's been asked, I'm probably tempted just to ask you who's going to win the elections tonight, but try to stay away from that. Actually, I mean, I do have a somewhat political question, which is if you do have a buying presidency and you get some pharmaceutical price controls, do you have any concern about the demand side of the business for Life Sciences, you've signed a lot of leases in the last quarter to doesn't seem like there's not much concern from your tenants, but how do you think about the risk there from a regulatory side on demand for life science? Dan, really from Life Science, there's been attempts made drug pricing controls for a lot of point during an election. We'll see if we'll see how it plays out. There's been discussion of tying reimbursements to an international index or giving Medicare direct negotiating power, but we have a tendency to look at it more holistically We don't see a huge risk. The baby boomer generation is demanding lots of drug innovation. The development of biology based drugs has accelerated massively. The FDA approval process is faster. The patent cliffs with farmers, looking to replenish their growth, taking out these biotechs when they come to proven drugs. And then COVID 19 has been a stark reminder of the importance of continuing to develop new drugs and treatments. So when you put all this together, I just can't see the government ultimately wanting to Stifel Innovation, it could be that there's some kind of, reforms that are made. We do think that most farmers and big biopharmas have some of that factored into their future economics from what we believe and what we've understood. But we don't see that being a deterrent to growth and demand for this type of real estate. I appreciate it. I'll hop off and maybe we'll chat later. Our next question comes from Lucas Hartwich with Green Street. Thanks, morning. So by getting out of senior housing, how did you weigh giving up an attractive avenue of external growth looking forward? It's one of these things where when one looks at it strategically, As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we're believers that society is going to need senior housing in the future. Both from a social perspective and from a unique perspective. So that business is here to stay. But it is a higher acuity different business today than it was a decade ago. And It's subject to a lot of new supply. So it is going to be a bumpy ride, but yet there's there's with the fast growing demographics, there's plenty of upside, which is good for us because it means we can capture, good pricing, as we seek to exit. So as far as the loss growth opportunity, I'm not troubled by that. I'm not troubled that if we exit a business that has more volatility and our view doesn't fit as neatly into a REIT, to focus on our other growth opportunities that I've already outlined, it doesn't bother me create an opportunity for investors that's more focused and lead the senior housing to some others in the industry, both REITs and non REITs that will compete on that front. And the same thing, we felt the same thing about SNFs and the triple net side of SNFs That's not necessarily a bad business. It's just one that we chose not to compete in. So we've just tightened it up further where we think that there's a great place for a REIT that specializes in the businesses that we've talked about. Life science, on campus MOBs and CCRCs. So we're not necessarily making a statement. We think Senior Housing is a bad business. It's just one that we've chosen to, shift away from in our strategic position. And if we weren't down at 17% of our business span, shop in triple net, we probably would need to be thinking awfully hard about whether an exit made sense, it's only because it's down at that level that we're able to take this action. Thanks, Lucas. Our next question comes from Mike Mueller with JP Morgan. Yes, hi. Just given the comments about Senior Housing being an operating business and not real estate business per se. Why did you stop short of selling CCRCs then? Well, Mike, for the the reasons that I mentioned earlier, so I won't repeat them all. But CCRCs, we do view more as being real estate like. Seniors come in. It's a more affluent senior. They have a tendency to sell their single family home. They invest in a sizable nonrefundable entrance fee. They have an 8 to 10 year length of stay. And so it's not, and then there's a much lower level of acuity. They come in, the vast majority of them through the independent side of the business. And so it's completely a lifestyle choice where they are effectively going in and investing for the balance of their lives into the asset that they will be Pine. And for us, that creates a much more stable asset. From an investment perspective or from a real estate investment perspective, And, so a different play than what would be, shop, a shop portfolio. Okay. Okay. That was it. Thank you. Our next question comes from Vikram Malhotra with Morgan Stanley. Questions. Just so two quick ones. Maybe just first, you've talked a lot about sort of the growth opportunity in life science and MOB. And I'm just wondering, so the part of your decision was clearly driven by kind of your view of senior housing over the next few years and maybe longer term, but have you alluded to perhaps not? But how much of it was sort of your view that maybe our life science and MOB portfolios were not sort of being valued correctly by the market or potentially you maybe more value could be ascribed once it's simpler and there's more focus or could you maybe just talk about leaving growth aside kind of how you thought about the kind of inherent value that, that investors will be rewarded for? There's no question, Vikram. I'm glad you asked that question. When you think about, a company that's got senior housing, life science MOBs and shop and triple net has been sold full volatile with so much new supply, at least over the last several years. And we recognize that there could be a recovery coming The vast majority of our time visiting with investors and analysts is spent talking about shop. And it seems that a lot of the think time, is around that topic We've been told by some big investors that until we downsize even further, we will not get the full multiple rerating that our portfolio and our strategy and perhaps our team deserve. But as we downsize that further, that there be a rerating that will likely take place in the future. And that is absolutely one of the things that we looked at when we came to this decision. Okay. And then just the other quick one, sorry, there's 2 quick ones. One is I know you can't talk about the dividend yet, but given the business is ultimately going to be perhaps more CapEx intensive combined Can you at least sort of talk about a payout range you're going to be comfortable with going forward once the best settles? And then just second, that the changes in the board eligibility requirements kind of did they and how did they, if at all related to this strategic decision just timing wise and just more broadly? Thank you. Sure. As far as the CapEx part of what you just described, We had more CapEx by far on the senior housing shop triple net side. Those assets as they age and new supply comes on to compete, they take off, they take on an awful lot of CapEx. So, as you know, you don't get to spend NOI at the end of the day or dividend NOI, you dividend cash flow. And so that was definitely a part of our decision as we looked at the equation And then as I think about payout ratios, one of the things that you mentioned, which I think again is a very fair question. Depends on what our business ends up looking like after we complete these sales, having a strong development and densification, pipeline. When you look at high quality REITs across the industry, they'll have a little bit lower payout to keep more retained earnings so that can be recycled accretively into development. And I'm not telling you that we've made a determination with our board as to where exactly out and it depends on what we look like. But those are all the exact kind of things that come into consideration when we make those important decisions. And we want to get it right you know, we would, we would hate to, have a knee jerk reaction in the middle of COVID and adjusted evidence too far or not enough. So, if it's required at all. So we're going to be going through that exercise and I believe we'll come to the right place. The second part of your question was our board. How did, I think you're looking for a little bit more color on how we looked at it. Final one is this. We put that age seventy five, requirement in place, two and a half years ago we refreshed half of our board during that time. We had a we had an older age board, very, very good board members, but they were, they were of older age. And we knew that refreshment, and they had been in place a long time. And we knew in fresh refreshment was important. So we utilized an age seventy five retirement age for a period of time. We've refreshed half of our board at this point. And we have a number of younger board members that have joined our board, in the early 50s as far as age, And so as we started looking, out as to what our board would look like over time, we recognized that an age seventy five policy just didn't make a lot of sense. And we thought more progressive to have a 15 year term limit. It would result in really strong experience, diversity and expertise, breadth and depth on our board. We felt very good about the way it looked with that, 15 year term limit and thought that that would be an excellent board refreshment over the long term. So that's how we came into the decision, nothing more than that. Any more questions. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Tom Herzog for any closing remarks. Okay. Thank you. And thanks, everybody, for joining our call. Again, a long call, but a lot going on I gotta tell you, when choosing our call date, we had the option of the morning of the elections or the morning after the elections. We obviously chose the morning of it's going to be an exciting evening everyone. So we'll talk to you all soon. We'll see you on some NDRs, next week, and they read the week following. So look forward to talking to you then. Bye bye. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.