Earnings Call: Q3 2013

Nov 6, 2013

Good day, and welcome to the Duke Energy Third Quarterly Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Bob Drunin. Please go ahead. Thank you, Mary. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Duke Energy's Q3 of 2013 earnings review and business update. Leading our call this morning is Lynn Good, President and CEO along with Steve Young, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's discussion will include forward looking information and the use of non GAAP financial measures. Slide 2 presents the Safe Harbor statement, which accompanies our presentation materials. You should also refer to the information in our 2012 10 ks and other SEC filings concerning factors that could cause future results to differ from this forward looking information. A reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures can be found at our website, duke energy.com, and in today's materials. Please note that the appendix to today's presentation includes supplemental information and additional disclosures to help you analyze the company's performance. Today, Lynn will begin with the highlights of our Q3 and Steve will provide a more detailed financial update. Then Lynn will review our near term priorities and discuss our future growth opportunities. We'll allow plenty of time for your questions. As many of you know, I am retiring from Duke Energy at the end of this year, so this is my final earnings call. Over 40 years ago, I began my professional career with Duke Power and have experienced a rare opportunity to come full circle in my career, ending with Duke Energy. I have over 35 years of combined service to the company and its predecessors, including 25 years devoted to Investor Relations. During that time, I was fortunate to meet a lot of great people in the investment community. I especially appreciate all the wisdom, the guidance and feedback many of you have shared with me over the years. The goal was always to move the Investor Relations function forward. I would truly miss the camaraderie that develops within Investor Relations teams, but I leave knowing that our Duke IR team is in the very strong and capable hands of Bill Kearns. Thanks for the many fond memories, and I look forward to seeing many of you at EEI. Okay. So Lynn, let's talk about the quarter. Good morning, everyone, and thanks, Bob. Before I get into my remarks, I also want to recognize Bob. I've had the pleasure of working with him over the last year and a half. And as a company, we've benefited not only from his industry experience and leadership in IR, but also his leadership in the company. So Bob, thank you for a great contribution to the company and we all wish you and live the very best in the future. Let me also welcome to the call Steve Young. As you know, Steve assumed his role as Chief Financial Officer in August, and I know a number of you have had an opportunity to meet with Steve. He brings a deep understanding of our business and is committed to the company and to achieving our financial So before turning the call over to Steve, let me begin with a brief highlight of our accomplishments for the quarter. We achieved adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1.46 compared with $1.47 for the same quarter a year ago. Our Q3 results were consistent with our plan for the year. Our results were impacted by unusually mild summer weather, 0 point 11 dollars below the Q3 of 2012. At the same time, we benefited from updated customer rates and load growth. As we have previously highlighted, we expected our 2013 earnings to be shaped more toward the back end of the year due to the timing of regulatory outcomes. In late September, we received approval of our 2 rate cases for Duke Energy Carolinas, including approval for nuclear levelization. As a result, we expect to recognize significant benefits from these regulatory proceedings in the Q4. As a result of the resolution of a number of important regulatory matters, we have raised the lower end of our earnings guidance range by $0.05 to $4.25 As a result, our expected range for 2013 is now $4.25 to 4 point Additionally, during the quarter, we announced Additionally, during the quarter, we announced a definitive agreement to sell our remaining 50% interest in DukeNet for approximately $210,000,000 in cash. This regional fiber optic network company is a non core business. We expect the transaction to close in the Q1 of 2014. Next, let me highlight a few operational and regulatory items for the quarter. From an operational perspective, we had strong performance across our generation fleets. Nuclear fleet improvements remain a high priority. The the fleet capacity factor was 99.7%. We remain on track for 2013 to be the 15th consecutive year with a nuclear fleet capacity factor above 90%. Our Robinson station completed a record continuous run of 5 31 days before it began its refueling outage in September. The Oconee station set a record by continuously operating all continuously operating all three units for 3 15 days before the start of a scheduled outage in October. Moving to Indiana, we placed the Edwards Fort IGCC plant into service in early June. Since that time, we have focused on optimizing plant performance, including ongoing performance testing, progressing through GE's new product introduction testing protocol and resolving the remaining punch list items from construction. All major technology systems have been validated and are working as designed. In fact, the amount of generation fueled by Syngas has increased over the past several months. Since the plant's in service date, we have operated each of the 2 gasifiers more than 1500 hours. We are pleased with our overall progress and will continue to focus on increasing the plant's availability and reliability over the next 12 months. Moving to regulatory matters. 2013 is an important year with a number of significant regulatory proceedings. In September, Duke Energy Carolinas received approval of constructive rate case agreements in both North Carolina and South Carolina. The new rates went into effect in late September and will be key drivers for Q4 2013 and full year 2014 results. In late October, the North Carolina Utilities Commission issued an order which upheld its 2012 approval of a Duke Energy Carolinas rate settlement. The rate increase had been appealed by the Attorney General to the State Supreme Court, which then directed the commission to review the evidence regarding the appropriate rate of return. Although the Attorney General has announced his intention to appeal this most recent order from the commission, we believe this affirmation satisfies all of of the requirements in this case set out by the Supreme Court. Last month, Duke Energy Florida received regulatory approval of the comprehensive settlement agreement reached in August. The approved settlement moderates rate impacts to customers, provides clarity on cost recovery and creates a framework for meeting future capacity needs. In Ohio, we continue to wait for an order on the cost based capacity filing and resolution of the manufactured gas plant recovery request from our gas distribution case. We anticipate both matters will be resolved by the end of the year. I'm very pleased with all we've accomplished so far in 2013. Our operational performance is strong and improving. We have received constructive outcomes in our regulatory proceedings, resulting in approximately $600,000,000 of total annualized revenue increases. Let me now turn the call over to Steve, who will provide more details on our quarterly financial performance and our short term and long term financial objectives. After that, I'll speak about our near term priorities and how we are positioning the company for the future. Thanks, Lynn. Since taking over as CFO in early August, I have visited with many of you and described my background. During my 33 years with the company, I've had the pleasure of getting to know many people at Duke Energy and the fine work that they do. I've held various roles in the finance group and worked closely with state and federal regulators. I look forward to continuing the company's relationship with the investment community. Today, I will begin with an overview of Duke Energy's 3rd quarter earnings results for each of its business segments and we'll also update you on retail customer volume trends and economic conditions in our regulated jurisdictions, key earnings drivers to consider for the Q4 of 2013 and full year of 2014, the status of our merger integration and cost control efforts and our overall financial objectives. As Lynn highlighted, today we announced 3rd quarter adjusted diluted earnings per share of 1 point $4.6 compared to prior year quarterly results of 1 $0.47 On Slide 5, you will see a summary of the primary drivers of quarterly adjusted earnings for each of our segments. Note that beginning this quarter, we are reporting Progress Energy's results within each of the respective drivers on this slide. The Progress Energy contribution will no longer be presented as a single line item. Let me start with the results at U. S. Franchise electric and gas, our largest segment, which recognized an increase in quarterly earnings of $0.02 per share. You will see that the implementation of updated customer rates added 0 point increase in weather normalized customer volumes and growth in our wholesale business added 0 point 0 $7 I will provide more details on our customer volume and economic trends in a moment. Weather this quarter was 0 point 0 $9 below normal, a quarter over quarter negative variance of 0 point and the Midwest was 11% below normal. In Charlotte, this was the mildest 3rd quarter since 2004. Other negative impacts to U. S. FE and G's quarterly results included a $0.04 per share reduction of cost of removal amortization in Florida. During the quarter, we recognized $22,000,000 of cost of removal. We plan to utilize the remaining balance of $19,000,000 in the Q4. Lower AFUDC equity due to the completion of several large projects across our service territories also negatively impacted the quarter. However, keep in mind that these completed projects were incorporated into the rate increases described earlier. Next, International Energy recognized an increase of 0 point Brazil as well as results from the Chilean acquisition in December 2012. Hydro conditions in Brazil continued to stabilize during the Q3, recovering from the delay in the rainy season experienced earlier in the year. Additionally, our run of river hydro facilities in Chile benefited from significant rainfall. Unfavorable foreign currency exchange rates, driven by a weaker Brazilian real, partially offset those results. As an update, operations at National Methanol returned to normal this quarter after extended outage in the Q2. As such, results at National Methanol were fairly consistent with the prior year quarter. Next, let's move to Commercial Power, where results were $0.02 lower than the prior year quarter. The non regulated Midwest generation fleet experienced mixed results due to changes in commodity prices. The Midwest coal fleet recognized higher margins due to lower costs, while generation volumes for the Midwest gas fleet were 15% lower due to a tighter spark spread and an unplanned outage. Our Renewables business recognized a decrease of $0.02 per share compared with the prior This was primarily due to a prior year joint venture development fee that did not recur in the current quarter. Finally, the full quarter impact of the prior year issuance of shares in connection with the merger negatively impacted 3rd quarter earnings by $0.02 Our adjusted effective tax rate for the quarter was approximately 32%, consistent with the prior year quarter. We remain on track for a full year 2013 adjusted effective tax rate of around 34% the lower end of our previously announced range of 34% to 35%. Turning to Slide 6. Let's talk about what we are experiencing with customer volume trends. For 2013, we projected retail sales growth at about 0.5% over the prior year. And through the Q3 this is what we have experienced. In the Q3, however, total normalized customer load was 1.7% higher, supported by growth in all customer classes. We experienced strong growth in all of our jurisdictions with the exception of Florida, which continues to face unfavorable trends in household income, resulting in soft retail and entertainment spending. Let me briefly discuss the primary drivers in each of our customer classes for the quarter. Residential demand was 1.1 percent higher. The average number of customers increased 0.8% from the prior year quarter. Average usage per residential customer is essentially flat for the quarter. Florida's usage rates remain particularly weak due to the high number of low usage customers, high vacancy rates and weak household income. Commercial demand was 1.6% higher on a weather normalized basis, driven by lower unemployment and improved office and retail vacancy rates. Industrial demand was around 3% higher. This is a level we have not experienced since 2010. Key drivers of this increase include strong performance in the automotive, paper and construction related industries. 1 quarter of strong results, however, does not cause us to change our long term views. It is more meaningful to look at longer term trends. Based on the rolling 12 months, we have experienced average annual load growth for all customer classes of around 0.5% consistent with our forecast. The U. S. Economic recovery remains soft relative to historical standards and expectations. U. S. Household income has improved, although consumer confidence remains low. Specific to our service territories, we continue to believe the Southeast is positioned well for future economic development activity, supported by affordable energy and housing as well as sufficient sources of labor. The Midwest has been supported by strength in manufacturing, while Florida is poised for a housing market recovery. While we are pleased with the recent trends, we continue to remain cautiously optimistic on the overall economic recovery. We continue to track overall trends and provide any and will provide any updates to our load forecasts in February. As we stated on the Q2 call, we expected 2013 earnings to be more back end loaded than usual. This is due to the timing of regulatory approvals, including the approval of our request to levelize nuclear outage costs. We began to see the benefits of these regulatory outcomes in the Q3, but these results were masked by unfavorable weather. Based upon our results to date and the finalization of significant regulatory activity, we are confident in our ability to deliver 2013 adjusted earnings within the range of $4.25 to $4.45 per share. In the Q4, we are well positioned to deliver adjusted diluted earnings per share of between $0.90 1.10 dollars This is significantly higher than the $0.70 we recognized in the Q4 of 2012. Let me discuss a few of the primary drivers expected to impact our 4th quarter results as outlined on slide 7. 1st of all, Duke Energy Carolinas will recognize a full quarter of the customer rate increases approved in late September. These increases, along with those implemented earlier in 2013 will be significant drivers of our 4th quarter results compared to last year. Additionally, our Carolinas rate settlements included the approval of nuclear outage cost levelization. As a result, the costs related to our 4 fall refueling outages will be deferred and amortized over the refueling cycle rather than expensed when the outage occurs. This will benefit our 4th quarter results. We expect to see retail customer load growth as well as increased contributions from our regulated wholesale business. Further, we expect continued merger synergies and other cost control efforts to contribute to the 4th quarter results. I will provide further information on merger cost savings in a moment. We also project normal weather for the quarter. As you may recall, our 4th quarter 2012 results included below normal weather of around 0 point 0 $4 In all, these drivers, most of which are known, give us confidence in our ability to achieve our updated 2013 adjusted diluted earnings per share guidance range. This range considers various outcomes in our Ohio cost based capacity request, which is still pending with the Ohio Commission. As Lynn mentioned in her opening remarks, we anticipate a decision on this matter before the end of the year. Now let's turn our attention to merger integration efforts. We have 2 broad categories of merger savings opportunities. First, fuel and joint dispatch savings, which immediately benefit our Carolinas customers. And second, the more traditional O and M synergies resulting from the elimination of duplicative functions, processes and systems. We continue to make progress on our commitment to deliver fuel and joint dispatch savings to our customers in the Carolinas. To date, we are ahead of our target and have generated $145,000,000 of cumulative fuel and joint dispatch savings fuel guaranteed fuel in joint dispatch savings. As a result, we are on track to deliver the guaranteed savings of $687,000,000 Our merger integration savings and continuous improvement initiatives are also on track. A significant amount of our savings to date have been related to corporate center costs. We expect those costs to decrease by approximately 20% on a pro form a combined basis from 2011 to 2014. Let me provide some highlights from this effort. 1st, we have completed the organizational staffing process and will release the last of approximately 1100 employees through our voluntary severance program by early 2014. 2nd, efforts to consolidate IT systems and operational processes are on track with essentially all financial and human resources systems expected in place in January 2014. Finally, our supply chain function is also achieving savings through the consolidation and renegotiation of procurement contracts. In addition to savings from the corporate functions, our efforts to consolidate operational departments such as nuclear, fossil generation, transmission and distribution are well underway and are on track to be completed in 2014 2015, providing further benefits. As a result of our efforts to date, between 2011 2014, we project our total nonfuel O and M cost will remain flat. The cost saving efforts I have described will help to reduce the impact of modest inflationary pressures as well as cost increases resulting from nuclear and our new generation investments. We expect to exceed the high end of our original estimate of 5% to 7% in non fuel O and M savings, creating total cost savings of approximately $550,000,000 or 9 percent of our pro form a consolidated O and M expense of 6 $1,000,000,000 by 20 control efforts. Based upon our success to date as well as continued aggressive focus on costs, we believe we could exceed these expectations. In addition to the cost control efforts which I just described, let me turn to Slide 9 and provide you with our preliminary thoughts on other 2014 earnings drivers. We will provide our 2014 earnings guidance in February. On the right hand side of this slide, you will see the key year over year segment earnings drivers for 2014. At U. S. FE and G, earnings will get a full year benefit from this year's approved rate settlements. We also expect an up from a return to normal weather along with modest retail load growth of around 0.5% of 1%. We expect continued growth in our regulated wholesale business due primarily to new long term contracted sales. Headwinds will include the elimination of cost of removal amortization in Florida and lower nuclear outage cost levelization benefits in the Carolinas. In Commercial Power, we anticipate improved results from higher PJM capacity revenues. Additionally, the outcome of the Ohio cost based capacity request may also impact next year's segment results. Finally, the weakness experienced in the first half of twenty thirteen at International is and operations have returned to normal. At the same time, our international earnings will continue to be sensitive to changes in foreign exchange and commodity prices at National Methanol. Slide 10 reaffirms our financial We continue to target 4% to 6% adjusted earnings per share growth through 2015. This is based on the midpoint of our original 2013 earnings per share guidance range. We will update our earnings growth objectives through 2016 during our year end call in February. Our balance sheet and credit metrics remain strong. Moody's recently recognized our efforts to reduce business risk by upgrading the ratings of our utilities in the Carolinas and Indiana as well as the ratings of the Duke Energy Holding Company. Our current business plans do not include any new equity issuances through the end of 2015. We are focused on optimizing the use of cash previously generated by our international businesses. As of September 30, we had 1 point $8,000,000,000 of cash offshore, of which $1,200,000,000 is held outside our operating companies and is generally available for reinvestment in the international business or return to the United States. In December of this year, we expect to bring back approximately $700,000,000 of cash using a one time tax efficient financing structure. In the near term, this cash will be used to refund holding company level debt that matures in the Q1 of 2014. These funds will provide us balance sheet flexibility as we evaluate longer term growth investment opportunities. The dividend remains central to our investor value proposition. Over the past several years, we have been growing the dividend annually at about 2%, which is a rate slower than our overall earnings growth. We continue to target a payout ratio of 65% to 70% based upon adjusted diluted earnings per share. Ultimately, the dividend is at the discretion of the Board. We believe we we have a platform unmatched in the industry due to our scale and highly regulated business mix. We remain committed to our financial objectives and we'll use our strengths to deliver significant benefits to our customers and investors. Now I will turn the call back over to Lynn. Thank you, Steve. Let me close with a discussion of our strategic priorities. As a company, we've accomplished a great deal since we closed the merger with Progress in July of last year. We created the largest utility in the industry with a diverse set of customers, jurisdictions and generation sources. We resolved the near term priorities we established after the merger as outlined on Slide 11. Our regulatory proceedings are essentially complete with 5 rate cases approved and updated customer rates implemented. Clarity on the cost based capacity filing in Ohio will help inform our long term strategic plans for the Midwest generation fleet. As Steve detailed, we've made significant progress in achieving the savings we anticipated from the merger, both fuel and joint dispatch as well as non fuel O and M savings. We also remain focused on ensuring consistently exceptional performance from our valuable nuclear fleet in the Car Alliance. By resolving these issues, we have positioned Duke Energy as a low risk, highly regulated utility operating in constructive regulatory environments. We have the financial strength and flexibility to consistently deliver on our commitments and grow the business. Let me spend a few minutes discussing our future growth opportunities as outlined on Slide 12. In Florida, the comprehensive settlement approved by the Florida Commission in October allows us to evaluate new new RFP for approximately 16 40 Megawatts of combined cycle generation capacity needs. We expect to finalize the RFP in late summer next year. If the company's self build option is selected as the most cost effective alternative, we will file for a need certificate with the commission. Construction could begin in early 2015 with an in service date of 2018. In the Carolinas, last month, we filed an application for a need certificate with the Public Service Commission of South Carolina seeking approval to construct and operate a 7 50 Megawatt combined cycle plant at the existing Lee steam station site in South Carolina. NCEMC will be a minority owner of 100 megawatts of the project if constructed. If approved, this plant could come online in the 2017 timeframe. Additionally, we have the potential to invest in the BC summer nuclear plant being built in South Carolina. We continue to evaluate an ownership interest in this facility of up to 10 percent. We also expect growth from new wholesale contracts in the Carolinas. In Indiana, Senate Bill 560 provides the opportunity to move forward with transmission and distribution modernization in the state. We are evaluating filing a 7 year infrastructure plan with the commission outlining proposed investments. We also anticipate making several $1,000,000,000 of environmental compliance investments, principally in the Carolinas The ultimate level of such investments will depend on the finalization of rules, which are currently pending with the EPA. Further, we will evaluate targeted growth opportunities in our Renewables and International businesses that complement our 4% to 6% growth objectives, while meeting our risk adjusted return expectations. For Duke Energy as a whole, our scale and diversity position us to deploy capital based on the needs of our customers in each jurisdiction. In total, these investments will help drive growth in the back half of the decade, while maintaining our low risk value proposition and highly regulated business mix. In closing, as I step back and view our company 16 months after the merger, I see a company that has successfully addressed post merger uncertainties, achieved regulatory clarity and lowered business risk. We will excel in our mission to provide affordable and reliable energy to our customers, while at the same time continuing our efforts to drive efficiencies and cost effectively deploying capital investments. We are well positioned to achieve our short term and long term financial objectives and continue to deliver value for our customers, communities and investors. In February, we will provide updated financial plans for 2014 and the future. With that, let's open the phone lines for your And we'll take our first question from Shahriar Pourreza with Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Shar. Bob, first congrats on the retirement. You've been a good friend and a great resource for us for several years. So congratulations. Thank you. Lynn, let me ask you a question. With the approximate 700 $1,000,000 coming back to the U. S, any guidance on where you think you'll redeploy it? And I guess with the rest of the cash in Latin America, curious if you see any further value creating opportunities in the U. S. Like maybe solar that could potentially offset the tax leakage? Shar, in the short term, we will bring the $700,000,000 back and use it to delay additional financing at the holding company, which effectively creates balance sheet flexibility for us to identify growth opportunities and invest in longer term growth opportunities. Solar can certainly be a part of that as we look at renewables in our jurisdictions. And I also, as I went through Slide 12, gave you some perspective of other capital investment opportunities that exist in our jurisdictions. Okay. Terrific. And then just one question on the Ohio capacity case. Given what's left with the procedural schedule in PUCO at least for November, are we thinking more we'll get an order in the cost base approach sometime in December? Or we is there still the potential for a November order? At this point, I don't have any specifics on it, Shar. We believe, expect or anticipate it by the end of the year with the holiday schedule, I think we'll just have to evaluate as the dockets and schedules are produced whether it's November December. Okay. Thanks very much. Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Greg Gordon with ISI Group. Good Good morning, Greg. And you'll be missed. My question is on the commentary you just made with regard to your O and M growth or aspirationsyour ability to control O and M growth. As we look into 2014, I guess you've indicated you feel like it's possible that you'll outperform the 1% to 2% O and M growth baseline that you've targeted. Can you you pointed to some things that are driving that. Is pension and the increase in expected discount rates a big factor in that? And are there other things on the list that you necessarily didn't call out earlier? Greg, I think it's a combination of a number of things. What we tried to emphasize with the merger synergies is we've effectively exceeded the 5% to 7% targeted savings and expect to deliver about $550,000,000 of savings in 2014. That puts us in a position to maintain O and M flat from 2011 to 2014. So it's a combination of merger integration. Certainly, we believe that pension benefits will trend down as we're looking at discount rates and other factors. But we'll need to finalize the specifics on the pension when we set the discount rate at the end of the year. And I would say that the pension expense is not the big driver of the $550,000,000 by any means. It is primarily O and M savings within our corporate and functional areas. Okay. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Greg. And we'll take our next question from Jonathan Arnold with Deutsche Bank. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks to Bob pass my good wishes as well. Thank you. On just on that the last question around you're saying flat into 2014 for O and M, but everything else in the prior guidance slides was talking about into 2015. Do you feel are you just not quite ready to commit to flat into 2015? Or should we be thinking about that back to that 1% to 2% growth trajectory on the extra year? Jonathan, we haven't given specific guidance into 2015. What we did indicate in our remarks here today is based on where we're positioned and the aggressive cost control measures we have in place, we could exceed a lesser growth in CAGR on O and M. A lesser growth in CAGR on O and M. But we haven't given any specific guidance on that. We'll continue to finalize our plans. And you should know we're aggressively working on costs to continue to drive costs out of the business. And all of those factors are considered in our growth expectation of 4% to 6% through 2015. Thank you, Lynn. Just I also noticed that you'd ticked down your, I guess, long term sales number to 1.5% to 1% now versus it was 1% before. So can you just put that in context of what you said about 2013 and 1 quarter not being a trend? Are you looking at 2013 really as an anomaly at this point? Or is there something else that's kind of driving that additional caution further out? Jonathan, I think we're right on track with where we expected to be. Our guidance for the full year of 13% was 0.5%, and that's where we see the growth. The 3rd quarter was a bit stronger than what we anticipated coming in at 1.7 percent, but there's some imprecision in those volume numbers, particularly in a soft weather quarter. Long term, we've been planning for 0.5% to 1%, And we're actually challenging our team to think about an environment of that kind of load growth even trending to flat over time potentially as we think about sizing our spending, O and M spending. Got it. If I might on one other topic, should we view the $700,000,000 repatriation as what you consider to be the sort of the current excess? Or is this an initial pass that's something that could be more substantial? And then maybe just could you clarify the structure you're using and what the tax implications are? Jonathan, this is a one time opportunity to take advantage of a tax structure to bring home cash without a substantial tax liability. And it effectively strips basis out of the structure, the international structure. And so that $700,000,000 will come home. You could consider that to be a one time opportunity for us to take advantage of that the use of international cash. We have not made a final decision to repatriate on an ongoing basis, but that represents an opportunity for us in the future. Okay. Great. Thank you, Lynn. Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Dan Eggers with Credit Suisse. Hey, good morning. First of all, Bob, congratulations. We'll see you next week, so we can do it more personally and formally. But I guess just to the quarter or to the outlook, can you talk a little bit more what you guys see as the big CapEx buckets, maybe a little more detail beyond kind of the near term plan, if you think about their infrastructure spending in Indiana, if you think about the next wave of environmental CapEx, what kind of rate base growth you still see out there? Looking at our CapEx over the next several years, we see that we're in the roughly $6,000,000,000 range, slightly down from the combined levels we've seen in the past. We have had a lot of major projects complete recently. Recently. But going forward, we've got a lot of maintenance CapEx in those numbers. And then there is nuclear infrastructure. Additionally, when you get out into 'fifteen, 'sixteen and 'seventeen, you'll start to see the next cycle of build in the CapEx with potentially a Florida self build combined cycle and a self build in the Carolinas as well. So that's kind of the broad picture of our CapEx. And I guess you went Southern on their earnings call. I guess last week they talked about the idea that toward the end of the decade there should be a reacceleration in environmental CapEx for their coal fleet. Where do you guys see that affecting your generation as you think about coal ash and water rules coming? We're projecting over the next 10 year period $5,000,000,000 to $6,000,000,000 of environmental spend. In the near term over the next through 2015, we'll be spending over $1,000,000,000 primarily on air and primarily in Indiana and in the Carolinas. As you move beyond that towards the back end of the 10 year period, you'll start to pick up some of the water and ash expenditures. It's difficult to predict exactly what those level of CapEx will be given that the rules are not finalized at this particular point in time. So that range of $5,000,000,000 to $6,000,000,000 Dan is what we're estimating based on a range of scenarios that could impact could result from those rules. So that's a good rule of thumb for you to think about. Okay. And I guess just on there's been some good success with the wholesale contracts. Where what are you guys seeing as far as maybe picking up some more of that kind of business? And is that going to have any bearing on how you guys lay out the 2015, 2016 newbuild decisions for incremental generation capacity? I think wholesale opportunities can exist from time to time, Dan. They're opportunistic generally. And we'll provide more specifics if we see clarity around those as we move forward. Got it. Thank you, guys. Thanks so much. And we'll take our next question from Stephen Byrd with Morgan Stanley. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on the cash that's outside the U. S. As you look at redeploying that actually outside of the U. S, can you just speak to the point that actually outside of the U. S, can you just speak to the degree of opportunity you see there? Or do you see fairly limited opportunities there and the overall objective remains to try to continue to look for ways to bring as much of that cash back to the U. S. As you can? Steve, I think it's a balance. We have continued to look for generation development opportunities and have made a number of investments over the last 3 to 4 years, consistent with generation in countries that we are consistent with our risk profile. So you may recall in 2012 we made investments in Chile. So we do continue to look for opportunities to grow the business consistent with a 4% to 6% growth rate. But that business also produces a lot of cash and finding ways to optimally use the cash is a key objective. Okay. So it does sound like perhaps on an overall basis the cash flow is exceeding the opportunities sort of systematically as you look out? Well, the opportunities are a bit lumpy. So it's hard to track it to annual cash flows that closely. Okay. Understood. Understood. Shifting gears over to as you assess new nuclear options, I know it's something you've been looking at. Any further updates as you think about new nuclear? Yes. Steve, we continue to look at the VC summer plant, which is under construction in South Carolina, we believe in regional nuclear. We certainly have a very supportive regulatory environment in South Carolina. But we have not made a final decision to move forward. We continue to evaluate the opportunity and we'll provide updates as our decision making progresses. Okay. Understood. So there's no specific time line we should be thinking about for that? Not at this point. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Huynh with Sanford Bernstein. Good morning. Thank you. You mentioned that you were going to bring back something on the order of $700,000,000 in cash from your overseas operation to pay a maturing debt maturity at the holding company. What are your plans for holding company debt over sort of a 3 year horizon? Will that be reduced further in those years? Or do you think that we're basically in a steady state? No, Hugh, we're not trying to delever the company. Our credit ratings and financial profile are very strong and well positioned within our ratings category. We just have this opportunity to provide some flexibility to the balance sheet by taking advantage of this tax structure. And then over time as growth investments materialize, we'll reinvest and the holding company becomes an opportunity to fund those investments. At this point, we do not see a need for equity through 2015. And the use of the $700,000,000 to take care of these Holdco maturities will give us an uplift here displacing interest. One quick follow on question. You had mentioned that you're expecting longer term sales growth of 0.5% to 1% per year. Can you break that down roughly into what your longer term expectations are for customer growth and usage per customer? Hugh, I don't have underlying specifics on that. What I would say is in 20 13, our customer count has grown almost 1%, a bit stronger in the Southeast, but actually pretty strong in the Midwest as well. So I think with housing markets improving with continued traction with the U. S. Economy, we believe that the Southeast and Florida in particular are well positioned for customer growth. But I don't have any further breakdown for you on that guidance. Is there a potential for meaningful volume sales growth on the wholesale side? You mentioned it as a potential driver of growth in the Carolinas and Florida. I think it's something that is opportunistic, Hugh. So we were able to sign up and extend contracts back in 2010, 2012. We will continue to evaluate those opportunities, but don't have anything specific to share with you at this point. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Julien Dumoulin Smith with UBS. [SPEAKER JULIEN DUMOULIN SMITH:] Hi, good morning. [SPEAKER JULIEN DUMOULIN SMITH:] Good morning. [SPEAKER JULIEN DUMOULIN SMITH:] So first perhaps following up a little bit on the last questions. With regards to the summer site, is it more around the need and projected demand that holds you back from pulling the trigger? Or is it more around structuring a transaction and concerns around, I suppose site specific issues? If you could just give us a sense. And maybe going back to it with regards to the Carolinas, do you have any sense initially as to what their reaction would be and the structure would be under which you would acquire any nuclear generation? So Julian, if you look at our integrated resource plans for both Duke Energy Carolinas and Duke Energy Progress, we do show a need that could be filled by nuclear in the back part of the decade. And I'm not going to comment specifically on negotiations. It's an important asset for the region. We're continuing to evaluate it, but have not reached a point of terms that we're ready to move forward at this point. As you know, the asset is strongly supported by South Carolina. If we were to acquire up to 10%, somewhere around 70% of that investment would be dedicated to North Carolina. So it will be important to receive appropriate regulatory recovery in North Carolina as well. Excellent. And then going back to Ohio quickly, I mean, if you could just give us an update on your thoughts around timing for a potential reevaluation of that business or specifically the generation side of that business? And secondly, what are the switching trends you've seen particularly of very late, if you will? So we are at this point waiting for the Ohio Commission order, Julian, and are anticipating it by the end of the year, but don't have any specifics on the exact timeframe between now and then. We are agnostic as to switching, because we are fully decoupled. The generation is fully merchant. All of the load is served under auction for Duke Energy Ohio. So the switching is not relevant to us any longer. Fair enough. And then lastly, just with regards to Indiana, if you would, I know you provided some good detail on Edwards Port, but just from a regulatory perspective, all is okay on that front? The regulators are kind of seeing this as appropriate, just the gradual ramp up? We're certainly keeping the regulator informed Julian of the progress at Edwardsport. You may recall that the recovery of Edwardsport costs is in accordance with a tracker or under the terms of a tracker that we file twice a year giving us an opportunity to fully update the commission on our results, our cost structure, etcetera. So we are continuing to maintain those updates and providing the commission with the status of the project. Got you. Excellent. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Brian Chen with Merrill Lynch. Hi, good morning. Hello, Brian. Good morning. On the improved O and M containment efforts, is there a way you can break down between whether most of those incremental savings are coming from the U. S. F. E. And G segment or commercial power? The majority of these savings given the size of this segment will inure to the FE and G segment. Right now, we're FE and G segment. Right now, we're recognizing a lot of benefits in the corporate areas and those corporate areas get allocated to all segments including international and commercial, but the lion's share of that would annure to the FE and G segment. As you go forward, efforts such as nuclear generation, fossil generation, T and D, those are more focused on the regulated businesses because that's primarily what progress was. So that's what we're integrating and finding benefits to. So the majority of merger integration will annure to the FE and G segment logically there. But a lot of these corporate benefits will pass through to other segments as well. Understood. Understood. And then going over to Slide 9, just to be clear, I know that you're going to give more color on this in February. But for those data points that are the blue boxes, Ohio cost based capacity, energy margins and Midwest generation, is the point that year over year we should be thinking about 13% to 14% that those are going to be relatively flat and that's why there's no up or down so clear on that? Brian, what I would say on Ohio cost based capacity, because we don't have an order yet, it's difficult for us to project implications to 14. Energy margins will be dictated by commodity prices, similarly the FX and the NMC. So those will be able to give you some specific guidance as these trends develop between now February. So it's more uncertainty at this point. Got it. Got it. And then lastly, you had said your load growth long term assumptions were generally still in the 0.5% to 1% range. Would you say that that's probably appropriate for thinking about 2014? I think that's a reasonable range, Brian, 0.5% to 1%. Yes, through 15%, right? Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs. A few things. First of all, thank you for taking my call. 2nd, Bob, I hope you don't mind, I'm going to show up on your doorstep in the mountains of Western North Carolina. I look forward to go and fishing one day. I want to ask I want to make sure we understand 2 things. So the $6,000,000,000 number you referenced in the footnote on O and M, that's kind of the starting point. And then you're basically assume you'll be in or around that same level in 2014, but I think it talks about excluding recoverable items. Can you just kind of quantify how much that those recoverable items are? Or is that kind of a GAAP expected O and M number? No. The I can give you a flavor for that Michael. The net of recoverables you might be looking at $5,500,000,000 And you've got some recoverables on Edwardsport. You've got some recoverables with energy efficiency, smart grid. We've got some riders like that. But $5,500,000,000 is a number net of recoverable. And the GAAP number I'm sorry and I want to make sure I follow this. So that 5.5 is the expected 2014 number and then that's after accounting for the recoverables Or is that the 2011 base to start from? Well, that's both actually. We're starting from that base. And even with inflation and emergent work in particularly in nuclear around Fukushima and cybersecurity, we think we'll be able to offset all of that and in 2014 be at a level of $5,500,000,000 Okay. And then the recoverables are about $500,000,000 so that's how you get to the $6,000,000,000 number? Roughly that's correct. Okay. On the nuclear amortization on the nuclear levelization, can you just kind of walk us through how that flows through the income statement? Meaning is that an offset to O and M? Is it an offset to D and A? Does it have an unusual impact in the 3rd Q4 of this year and first and second quarter of next year, but then kind of normalizes after that? Yes. The way the accounting will work, it will be an offset in O and M costs. It will be in that line item. It will with its initiation results in lower O and M in the Q4 of 2013 and that's a big driver that we are pointing to for the Q4. We will see some benefits in 2014 as you continue to defer costs, but there'll be less benefits in 2014 than there were in 2013. And then after 2014, the amortization of the deferrals will have caught up, if you will, to the actual expenses and there won't be much difference there. Okay. And when did this go into effect? And is there a way to just kind of quantify what we're talking about the dollar millions impact on O and M? We began this in the Q3 actually in terms of levelizing out nuclear outage costs I believe for the most part. And we've got 4 refueling outages and an outage will run roughly $20,000,000 $30,000,000 per outage. We can give you more details on the specifics in terms of the costs incurred. Michael, for the full year, nuclear levelization is about $0.10 to $0.12 and the majority of that will sit in the 4th quarter because of the refueling outage that Steve just spoke about. Meaning the full year impact in $0.13 is $0.10 to $0.12 But if I were to annualize if I were to use it on an annualized basis, it's double that because it only started in September? No, no. It's the full year impacts about the $0.10 to $0.12 Most of that will be in the Q4. And then when you look prospectively in 2014, you'll have new outages being deferred, but you'll have amortizations of previous outages catching up to it, if you will. So the impact in 14 will be a net reduction of O and M, but not as significant as what we saw in 2013. Got it. Okay, guys. Thank you. Much appreciated and I'll see you at EEI. Yes. Thanks, Michael. And we'll take our next question from Kit Kat Lodge with BGC. Good morning. Good morning, Kit. Good morning. Bob, I don't know what your retirement says about my career, but we've been doing this together for a long time. Just a couple of details to follow-up. A lot of my questions have been answered. But can you review I guess this would be for Steve. Can you review why the decision in the Ohio capacity case would have an impact on O and M in the 4th quarter just on earnings in the 4th quarter? Well, the decision on Ohio, it could have an impact. If we get a decision in the calendar year and it depends on what the decision is, we may have to book some effectively cost deferrals or revenues based on whatever the order says. So it could impact the 2013 earnings. It depends on what the order says and what calendar year we get it in. So we've taken that into account when we've updated our guidance in the range. We still think regardless of outcomes in Ohio, we can be within our range. So you're anticipating that whatever the decision is it potentially could affect adjusted earnings not just GAAP earnings? It could. We'd have to look at what the order said and so forth, but it could affect adjusted earnings. That's correct. And then once that's received, I think in the past, Lynn, you've said that Kit, I'm not going to comment on strategic decisions at this point until we see the order and understand the implications to the business. And so if we receive the order by the end of the year, have an opportunity to evaluate that and understand next steps and we'll share that with you when it's appropriate. International? Is do you consider that a non core business like DukeNet? Obviously, it's different in size. But is that under review for possible different relationship with Duke Energy? Or do you consider that part of the business on a permanent basis? Kit, the international business is an important part of Duke. It contributes about 10% up to Our strategic focus over the last 16 months has really been on the regulated business, working through these regulatory proceedings, focus on merger integration. We'll focus on Midwest generation over the next year or so as we evaluate the impact of the cost based capacity filing. And we'll continue to look for opportunities to optimize the value of the international business, but we don't have any specific strategic review that I would share with you at this point. Okay. Thank you very much. See you all at EEI. Thank you. Thank And we'll take our last question from Ali Aghaar with SunTrust. Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Lynn or Steve, just wanted to clarify a couple of quick things. One is, you've kept a pretty wide range for your 2013 guidance. All of that will come up in the Q4. Is it fair to say that that wide range is primarily driven by the Ohio capacity ruling? That would be the swing factor. Is that a way to think about it? I think that's the best way to think about it, Ali. Okay. Yes. And then second, you've shared with us based on your CapEx program, you're looking at rate base growth 12% through 15% on a 4% CAGR. When you look at these opportunities that you highlighted on that slide about beyond 15% is 4% roughly still the CAGR we should think about beyond 15% given the opportunities you're seeing out there? We haven't given guidance beyond 15%. Oleg, that will certainly be a focus as we come to the Street in February. Some of the items we have talked about though could impact capital through 2015. For example, if we pursue the self build option in Florida, etcetera. So we will also be refining CapEx through 2015 when we provide guidance early next year. I see. And last question, just to be clear on your plans on Ohio. Regardless of whatever decision comes out from the commission, do you still see the merchant business as core to Duke given as you mentioned a few times the low risk profile portfolio that you currently own? Does it really fit in with your overall business outlook? Yes. Oli, that's certainly a strategic question that we'll need to answer as we move forward. Our focus at this point is on securing the order from the Ohio Commission. We're also focused on cost effective operation of those assets. We're engaged in the discussions with PJM on the structuring of the market. So for the our focus over this near term is on those specific items. Fair enough. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Well, I'd like to thank all of you for questions and for your interest in Duke Energy. We look forward to talking with many of you next week at EEI's Financial Conference in Orlando. Thank you.