Good afternoon, and welcome to Editas Medicine's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2019 Conference Call. All participants are now in listen only mode. There will be a question and answer session at the end of this call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded at the company's request. I would now like to turn the call over to Mark Mulliken, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations at Editas Medicine.
Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our Q4 and full year 2019 conference call. Shortly after the market closed, we issued a press release providing our financial results and corporate updates for the Q4 and full year 2019. A replay of today's call will be available on the Investors and Media section of our website approximately 2 hours after its completion. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call for Q and A.
As a reminder, various remarks that we make during this call about the company's future expectations, plans and prospects constitute forward looking statements for purposes of the Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks, which is on file with the SEC. In addition, any forward looking statements represent our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. Except as required by law, we specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements even if our views change. Now, I will turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Cindy Collins.
Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, and thank you, everyone, for joining us for our corporate update call for the Q4 full year 2019. In addition to Mark, I'm joined by several members of the Editas executive team, including Judith Abrams, our Chief Medical Officer Charlie Albright, our Chief Scientific Officer Michelle Robertson, our new Chief Financial Officer and Tim Hunt, our Senior Vice President of Corporate Affairs. We are at an exciting point at Editas Medicine, developing differentiated transformational medicines across a range of serious diseases and nearing the point of seeing them work in patients. On today's call, we will review some of what we have achieved over the past year, then look ahead to 2020 beyond.
So let's start with some of our accomplishments over the past year. We initiated the first ever clinical trial of an in vivo CRISPR medicine in collaboration with Allergan of EDIT-one hundred and one for patients with LCA10. We started IND enabling studies for EDIT-three zero one as a potentially best in class medicine for the treatment of sickle cell disease. We amended our collaboration with Celgene, now part of Bristol Myers Squibb to focus on developing engineered alpha beta T cell medicines for cancer. We are excited to continue our work with the leader in treating blood cancers.
With the amendment, we received a $70,000,000 cash payment and regained rights to develop engineered gamma T cell medicines in oncology. We accelerated our efforts to develop engineered allogeneic NK cell medicines for cancer through newly formed research collaborations. We enabled our development of healthy donor NK cell medicines for solid tumors with cell expansion technology from Sand Hill Therapeutics. And we are advancing iPSC derived NK cell medicines using technology from BlueRock Therapeutics. And we added outstanding executive leadership with the appointment of Judith Abrams as our Chief Medical Officer, Michelle Robertson as our Chief Financial Officer and Harry Gill as our Senior Vice President of Operations.
I am pleased to have Judith and Michelle join me on the call today. These accomplishments give us momentum into the coming year. In 2020, we plan to announce dosing of patients in the Q1 in the BRILiance Phase III trial of EDIT-one hundred and one in collaboration with our partner Allergan. We plan to nominate a development candidate for autosomal dominant retinitis pigmentosa 4 or RP4, file an IND for EDIT-three zero one for the treatment of sickle cell disease initiate IND enabling studies for an allogeneic healthy donor NK cell medicine candidate to treat solid tumors and finally, present in vivo preclinical proof of concept data for an engineered iPSC derived NK cell medicine to treat solid tumors. Now let me turn the call over to our Chief Medical Officer, Judith Abrams, to update you on our Phase onetwo clinical trial of EDIT-one hundred and one.
Thanks, Cindy. It's my pleasure to join all of you on the call today. As Cindy mentioned, last year, we opened the BRILIEN Phase III study for patients with LCA10 for enrollment. Enrollment activity has accelerated in recent months,
and we expect an announcement on
the 1st patient dosing in the Q1 of this year. As a reminder, the 1st patient dose in the Brilliance clinical trial will mark a significant milestone toward delivering on the promise potential of CRISPR medicine to durably treat devastating diseases such as LCA10. I'm also pleased to share that as our research pipeline continues to progress to the clinic, we are building out our senior leadership in our clinical organization. I'll now turn over the call to our Chief Scientific Officer, Charlie Albright, to discuss our broader pipeline.
Thank you, Judith, and thank you all for joining us on the call. Following EDIT-one hundred and one, our next in vivo ocular program is EDIT-one hundred and two for the treatment of Usher syndrome 2A or USH2A. Like LCA10, USH2A is an inherited retinal disease that affects photoreceptors and leads to blindness. At the product level, EDIT-one hundred and two is nearly identical to EDIT-one hundred and one in that EDIT-one hundred and two uses the same AAV5 delivery vector, proprietary staph aureus Cas9 enzyme and photoreceptor specific promoter as does EDIT-one hundred and one. Preclinical studies support the advancement of EDIT-one hundred and two into IND enabling studies since we have demonstrated editing levels, mRNA transcriptional levels and phenotypic restoration that are consistent with therapeutic benefit.
Based on these data, we delivered a data package for EDIT-one hundred and two to Allergan for potential licensing and development as part of our strategic alliance we formed in 2017. Our learnings with EDIT-one hundred and one and EDIT-one hundred and two are being leveraged for other in vivo editing medicines, in particular AAV delivery of staph, whereas Cas9 is used in our medicine aimed at RP4, another inherited retinal disease, where we plan to declare a development candidate for IND enabling studies later this year. Finally, we've expanded our in vivo research pipeline into neurologic diseases in collaboration with AskBio and hope to present initial data this year. Transitioning to our engineered cell medicines programs, we're developing EDIT-three zero one as a potential best in class medicine for sickle cell disease and beta thalassemia. Our program uses the Cas12 enzyme to edit the HBG-one, two promoter in the beta globin locus to induce fetal hemoglobin in hematopoietic stem cells.
Cas12a is proprietary to Editas and previously known as Cpf1. For those unfamiliar with our program, our approach is differentiated from competitors who either edit the BCL11A enhancer locus or use gene therapy. We shared our latest data at the American Society of Hematology Conference in December. At 301 edited the genomic region where human mutations are found to increase fetal hemoglobin. This genetic support is important as these data reduce the risk with human efficacy and safety.
In contrast, the BCL11A enhancer approach does not have human genetic validation. For EDIT-three zero one, preclinical data shows that HPG editing in hematopoietic stem cells is durable, induces high levels of fetal hemoglobin and does not negatively impact blood cell lineage. The plan for EDIT-three zero one IND filing for the treatment of patients with sickle cell disease by year end. The other major focus for engineered cell medicines programs is to treat cancer. We're developing an engineered alpha beta T cell medicines for cancer in collaboration with Bristol Myers Squibb, the leader in treating blood cancers where we believe alpha beta T cell medicines have the potential to be particularly effective.
In addition, we are advancing our wholly owned programs by editing innate immune cells, including NK and gamma delta T cells to treat solid tumors. We plan to begin IND enabling studies mid year for an edited healthy donor NK cell medicine to treat solid tumors. We recently announced work with Sandhill Therapeutics to accelerate our healthy donor medicines. Sandhill brings established processes, manufacturing infrastructure and proprietary expansion method. In parallel with the healthy donor program, we are advancing engineered iPSC derived NK cells or INK cells as medicines for solid tumors.
In partnership with Bluerock Therapeutics, now part of Bayer, we've made great progress editing and differentiating iPSC cells to form INK cells. Combining the technologies of iPSCs and CRISPR gene editing brings together 2 platforms that can revolutionize engineered cell therapies. We're excited about this potential and look forward to updating you on our progress in the near future. Now I'll turn the call over to our newly appointed Chief Financial Officer, Michelle Robertson.
Thanks, Charlie. I'm pleased to join you all today to introduce myself and present the company's latest financial results. I've been working in finance in the biotech industry for more than 25 years, most recently as the CFO of Omenthus Pharmaceuticals and prior to that in a number of leadership roles at Genzyme, Saksulpa and Hyamul. For me, what differentiated Endotox from other companies is the infinite possibility to develop medicines that we are working on to help patients. I'm hard pressed to think of another company with as much potential as Epitox to develop truly transformative medicines for patients with diseases of unmet need.
In this role, the opportunity to make a difference in the future of the company was a big draw. Now turning to the numbers. We have summarized our financial results for the Q4 and full year 2019 in the press release that we issued earlier today. Our cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities increased $88,000,000 in 20.19 to $457,000,000 as December 31, 2019 from $369,000,000
as of
December 31, 2018. Our uses of cash totaled $124,000,000 and include cash operating expenses of $118,000,000 and capital expenditures of $6,000,000 Over the course of the year, we grew the size of our organization by approximately 48%, increasing to 195 full time employees from 132 at the end of 2018. The growth in our spending in 2019 was the expansion and maturation of the pipeline and advancement of our platform. We expect these to continue to be the primary driver of spending growth in 2020. Our source of cash in 2019 totaled $212,000,000 and consisted primarily of $116,000,000 raised from equity issuance, dollars 76,000,000 of milestone payments from our business development partners and $15,000,000 in proceeds from stock option exercises.
Editas is in a strong financial position with at least 24 months of runway to fund the business. And with that, I will hand it back to Cindy.
Thank you, Michelle. We are confident in our strong leadership to guide the company as we become a clinical stage biotech and embark on our next phase of growth. It has been a busy past few months for Editas and an exciting time as we look toward the coming year. We have filled out our executive team and are confident that strength and leadership will support the long term growth of the organization. Our best in class programs coupled with the unparalleled discovery research from our labs represent a pipeline of transformational medicines for diseases of unmet need.
We are eager to see what 2020 and beyond will hold as we look to deliver on the promise of CRISPR to transform patients' lives. We thank all of you for your interest and support. With that, we will open up the call for Q and A. Operator?
Thank you. And our first question comes from the line of Steve Seedhouse with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Hi, good afternoon. Thank you. My question is at ASH, so the data that was presented for EDIT-three zero one is a nice data set and you included sort of like the iterations on optimizing the protocol, whether it was the enzyme variant or the guide or the complexation conditions and electroporation conditions as well. So there's basically there's a lot of moving pieces there. And I wanted to understand if we set aside the fact that you guys are targeting a different locus than some of the first movers in the gene editing approaches.
I'm curious if you could characterize to what extent you believe the other optimized conditions, so like the electroporation and the RNP Complexation are novel or are an improvement over what's already been done? Or does the best in class pitch for EDIT-three zero one just boil down basically to the different locus that you're targeting?
Steve, this is Charlie. The best in class comes from a couple of things. 1, we believe we have superior levels of fetal hemoglobin induction. And secondly, we believe we don't carry in the potential baggage that comes with adding the BCL11A enhancer. As you appreciate, you can't knock out BCL11A because that causes dire consequences.
And we, in our preclinical models, have found issues with even the BCL11A enhancer. So we've gone out after a site in front of the hemoglobin locus we know is genetically validated. And we scan the entire hemoglobin locus and we found sites that we thought could get the most fetal hemoglobin induction, then we look for the enzyme combinations would do that. So as you appreciate, they're both productive and non productive edits anytime you cut. And we found that cutting at the site we did with Cas12a yielded a lot more productive edits than did cutting with Cas9.
But to make that work as a product, we needed to optimize cutting with Cas12a. And we did that, as you mentioned, with a variety of methods. We have an enzyme as a variance of Cas12a that has increased activity. We have variations of the guide that increase the ability to do the editing and we've optimized the electroporation conditions. And so all of those things went into building the product.
Okay, thanks. That helps just to understand the sequence of events and the thought process quite a bit. I wanted to also ask on EDIT-three zero one, if the studies that remain ongoing or the gating factors to an IND, comprise any primate studies? And is it if not, is it worth testing the beta globin targeting approach in primates? Or are rodent models sufficient to sort of see differences in biology between that versus the 1st generation approaches?
We don't have any ongoing primate study. So to do the primate studies, you actually have to redesign the entire product, because it has to be able to cut the primate genome. The it's not clear yet whether the primate studies are going to be more predictive than the rodent studies or not. And so at this point, we feel like the thing to do is to get into clinic as quickly as possible because it's going to be the clinical data that actually determines the course with all of these this class of medicines.
Okay. Thank you. And just last quick one. It just looks like operating expenses went up considerably in the quarter. I was just curious if you could shed some light on how that breaks out and what would carry forward into next year on a go forward basis?
Thanks for taking the questions.
Sure. As the programs advance, we'll continue to invest, especially as they go into the clinic, and we expect that to continue in 2020.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Amanda Murphy with BTIG. Your line is now open.
Hey, good afternoon. I just had a few more questions around the oncology business. And I wanted to start out with the, I guess, now BMS relationship. You kind of specifically talked about allogeneic cells and I'm not sure what you can share there in terms of how that's progressing. But just curious overall, there's obviously a lot of competition there.
You've been working on that for a number of years. They clearly re upped with you and are interested in the program. So just wondering, what your thoughts there on there's a ton of data coming this year, how this program might progress. I mean, I want to shift after that on to all the sort of in house programs that you're working on, but let's start with alpha beta if we can, Curtis.
Okay. Hi, Amanda, it's Charlie. Yes, we did re up with BMS. They are the leaders in cell based medicines for hematologic indications. And I think there's a good chance that their CD19 and BCMA programs are going industry leading.
We can't share the details of what's going on there. We can say in a more generic way that I think that from a lay perspective, they're going to want to back up those programs and maintain their leadership. And so we've disclosed a lot of data through the years about the types of edits we've been able to make in T cells. And I think it's safe to assume they're going to want to use some of those same targets. But we're not at liberty to disclose what the detailed products are.
Yes, fair enough. And then I mean, then obviously you've been building out quite a sizable portfolio when you think about what you've done with NK cells and with SanCell now with expansion in A. My understanding is that's kind of one of the key challenges of using NK cells as expansion technology. And so you talked about obviously working with Sanhil and Bluerox. And then I think as part of the BM MasterVise agreement, you got back gamma delta cells.
So would love to just kind of get a high level view of how you're thinking about the sort of innate effector cells as backbones? You talked about solid tumors as a target, but just taking us a back from a high level pipeline perspective, how do you see this evolving over time and what else do you think is interesting? I think Tregs have also been discussed by some other companies, etcetera. So that's a good perspective there.
Yes, we'll take a stab at that. So we like the innate immune system. And so we feel like NK cells are the place to start and I'll come back to gamma delta in a minute. So we know that the NK cells are part of antibody directed cytotoxicity or ADCC, which is part of the mechanism of your therapeutic antibodies, things such as Herceptin and erbituxim among others. And we also know that NK cells have a very low propensity for graft versus host.
So when it comes to making truly allogeneic medicines, they come already in a good place. And we further know that the path to making iPSC derived NKs is reasonably well worked out at this point. So all those things we've taken together and are leading us to go after the major unmet need, which is solid tumors. We think that the NK cells there are exhausted as the T cells are exhausted in any of the solid tumor indications as well. And there are things that we can do about that via gene editing.
And so among the things we want to do is increase sensitivity to IL-fifteen, targeting, make the CD16 pathway better, overcome the tumor microenvironment and make them truly allogeneic. So all those things are possible with gene editing. The number of those you can do is limited with healthy donor and therein lies the advantage of the iPSC platform, not only do they ease of making the cells ultimately become much better, but your ability to construct highly engineered medicines, which we think are going to be needed to be successful in this space are enabled. So we are in the process of industrializing the platform, which is a combination of the editing platform we've built over the last 5 years with an iPSC platform that we've got a jump start with by getting cell lines from BlueRock Therapeutics. Does that get you where you want to go?
Yes. I think I asked like way too many questions in there. But I think also just talking about expansion that seems to be something that is a challenge with using NK cells. So I wanted to get a little more perspective there and then also gamma delta.
Yes. So that's part of what we get for that. It's more of an issue for healthy donor than it is for iPSC derived cells where you can just grow a whole lot. And so that's part of what Sand Hill brings to the plate for us. So and that's going to help enable our healthy donor program, which will dig in to let us learn about what these different edits do in the context of solid tumors.
So sorry to say And
then gamma delta
Yes, sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry, please.
Gamma delta is another part of the innate immune system. Obviously, it's less the biology of gamma delta cells is less well worked out than NK cells are, But the but they remain an interesting area. And among the reasons they're interesting is because the relationship between the number of gamma delta cells you see in your solid tumor and the control of that tumor are among the best things that are correlated in the control of solid tumor growth. So it's an interesting area. We're glad to have the ability to now work in that area, and you'll hear more about that in the coming months.
Is it fair to say you're using different approaches to really tackle solid tumor using edited engineered effector cells. Is that the right way to think about it as a strategic priority for you?
Yes. And we're trying to and I would further say we're trying to take the natural properties of NK cells and make them and restore them and make them better. And so NK cells, as I told you, participate in antibody directed cellular cytotoxicity or ADCC. They also recognize cells that are lacking MHC. And so thereby don't express T cell antigens.
And so one of the major resistance mechanisms to PD-one inhibitors is the loss of T cell antigen expression. So if you had a therapeutic that could specifically target those cells, you'd have a nice add on to PD-one.
Yes. Okay. Thank you so much.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Matthew Harrison with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.
Hi, guys. This is Thomas Lavery from Matthew's team. I have a question about EDIT-one hundred and two. When does your partner Allergan need to decide on next steps? If they don't opt in, what would be your plans to pursue a trial alone?
Thank you.
Sure. So the way the deal is structured is that we agree on the targets and the option fulfills the criteria and then we deliver that option package. Essentially at what would be known as a development candidate stage. So it's ready for IND enabling tox study. And then Allergan has a period of time to evaluate that package and make a decision about whether they opt in or not opt in.
And then after that, we have a window to decide whether we co opt in with them to co develop in the product with them. We did that for LCA10. And then and if they decide not to opt in, the medicine comes back to us, then we have the right to develop it on our own.
Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jin Wang with Barclays. Your line is now open.
Hi, thank you for taking my question. This is Jun for Gena. So my first question is really about the LCA10. Could you give us, first of all, some guidance about when the clinical data will be released? That's first.
And then also, can you give us a little color about the range of your initial dose you would take? And also, what kind of biomarkers you would be looking for that will help you to decide whether you're going to move on to the higher dose? I will have a follow-up after this. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you for the question. So I'll start with the first part of it and ask Charlie to talk a little bit more about biomarkers and dose range. But the overall trial is going very well. We are actively screening patients and have not disclosed when we will announce data at this point in time.
As I mentioned earlier, we expect to announce dosing of the first patient this quarter, but we have not made any commitment around when we might think about sharing data. Charlie, do you want to ask?
Sure. And so we pick doses based on our preclinical studies. They the low dose, we have a low, mid and a high dose. They are they span the dose that's used by Spark and the LUXTURNA trials. It was found to be safe and efficacious.
The and it's a relatively narrow dose range. The lowest dose has a realistic chance of showing efficacy based on the preclinical studies and you have to do that for a gene therapy trial. We're looking at a range of clinical outcomes. Some of them are clinical, they're visual acuity, as well as electrophysiologic and structural markers, including ERG and OCT and we'll take all that data into consideration as well as the safety as we decide how to advance the program.
Great. Just follow on that, how long you generally going to wait after you dose your lowest dose in a patient before you think that you have enough information to decide whether to move on to the higher dose? What's the time waiting time between the two doses?
So we have a safety review at the conclusion of cohort 1.
And
that review period can be programmed to be approximately 6 weeks in duration.
Okay. So I have another question about the sickle cell disease. Obviously, you have your preclinical data from ASH and you also elaborated about the advantages you have. So just for kind of giving myself a benchmark understanding, what level of editing efficacy you think will be something get you confident your program would be better or like best in class as you suggested? What the percentage of gene editing you are looking for to move forward?
I think it's not so much the gene editing, it's a fetal hemoglobin induction. So we're obviously going to optimize the percent editing based on the technical features. But really what we're looking for are levels of field hemoglobin and then that would be predictive of clinical outcomes.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Joe Tonge with Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.
Hi, there. Thank you for taking my questions. On the EDIT-one hundred and one study, can you just let us know if has the first patient surgery been scheduled and maybe what needs to happen before that patient is dosed? And then looking forward towards the end of the year, do you still expect that you will have dosed kind of the first two cohorts of patients in that study by year end?
Yes. Thank you for the question. So as I mentioned, the trial is going very well. We are actively screening patients. As you've heard from us previously, the screening and enrollment has been a little bit more complicated than other types of trials, just getting patients lined up with family members, caregivers, things like that.
But we are in daily contact with our partner Allergan and working very collaboratively to continue to screen the patients. So I feel very good about where we are. We had said earlier that we do hope to treat both the first two cohorts by year end and we're still tracking towards that.
Okay, great. And then one more kind of just on more broad strategy. Obviously, you have a lot of partnered and collaborative programs. When you're looking at going into a new therapeutic area, I guess how important is it to have a partner that you can kind of lend on their expertise and combine their strengths versus deciding to do a program alone?
Yes. We've taken those obviously each one in isolation. And so we have partners such as Allergan where we have the extreme where we are co developing and co commercializing potential therapies. The partnership now with BMS, formerly Celgene Juno, was a little bit different in that it was a development collaboration, but our role was unique there. We weren't co coing products per se.
With some of the more recent deals that we've done, Sand Hill and Bluerock, and to some degree, Aspio, those were really purposeful in terms of getting access to either technology or capabilities that we thought were important to facilitate getting the programs up and running and going much more quickly.
Great. Thank you so much. Congrats again on the progress.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Sheila Livshitz with Chardan. Your line is now open.
Thanks. Good afternoon, guys, and thanks for taking my questions. So to follow-up on that, one of the prior questions on EDIT-one hundred and one. So I think that the Q3 results, it was mentioned that a patient had been identified. So please just speak to additionally some of the factors around the timing of dosing and is that same patient the one that's still expected to be dosed?
And then I have a couple of follow-up.
So I'm not sure I recall specifically the statement about first patients being identified per se. But we are, as I said, actively screening patients. We have identified patients for the 1st cohort and are working even towards the other cohorts. So best I can say at this point is that we do expect to announce dosing a first patient this quarter.
Great. And then actually to follow-up on some of the questions regarding the oncology program. Can you elaborate a little bit more on the Sandhill collaboration and what drew you to work with that company? And then I have a follow-up on
that. Sure. Sand Hill has developed a technology they call bionate, which allows the efficient expansion of NK cells, which is as referred to earlier, a significant issue in the field. So that's a primary driver of that. It's a group that has experience in developing cell based medicines as part of earlier companies and we felt like they could be a good partner in the NK field because of the technology they developed there.
And is that tech also applicable to the gamma delta cells or is that primarily for the NK program?
There are elements that may be applicable to gamma delta, but the primary use in the short run is for NK cells.
And then I think at some point, you previously had a collaboration with Gamida Cell, I think, around NK technology. So you remind us, is that something that's still active? Or is this the Sandhill collaboration supersede that? Or do both approaches come into play for a donor drive program?
Yes. Those were independent collaborations and we had an MTA with Comida Cell.
Got it. Got it. I think that's it for me. Thanks.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Silvan Tuerken with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.
Well, congrats on the quarter and thank you for by ProQR, just by ProQR, just in terms of is it similar patients, is it not, what's comparable, what's not? If you could give us some color there, please.
To comment on data, I do anticipate that there's the potential to have some data to share by the end of the year that's been our previous guidance. I'll ask Charlie to comment on the ProQR portion of the question.
The patients are relatively comparable. That's the short answer to your question. There's not huge differences. I wouldn't know if they're detailed differences, but they're in the same ballpark.
Great. Thanks. And maybe one question for Michel. As you're taking the on the role of the CFO, could you maybe help us understand how you view the different programs in eye, oncology and CNS now and sickle cell in terms of maybe on the dimension of risk versus payoff versus how you would allocate assets towards them?
Sure. I'm still getting at the speed on the portfolio. But I think that we're comfortable with the 2 pillars that we've talked about publicly at JPMorgan and of the programs and the relationships that we have with our partners. I think that what we'll continue to do is assess the portfolio as a whole, so that we can prioritize the programs and our investments and map out our timelines and the events. And as we think about financing and supporting the portfolio,
I believe that
prioritization is going to be sort of key for the next 12 to 24 months because we have such a good pipeline and that we're going to have to, I think, focus in on the high value programs working closely with our partners.
Great. Thank you so much. And maybe one last question here on this AskBio CNS partnership. What are kind of the indications that you're going after in the long term?
We have not yet disclosed the indication that we're pursuing with them.
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Yanan Xu with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open.
Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. So first question is on EDIT-three zero one. Would you at some point share preclinical data comparing your gamma globin promoter targeted approach versus the BCL11A enhancer approach? And also just hypothetically speaking, is there anything to be gained if the 2 targeting approaches are combined?
Or do you think the gamma globin promoter approach achieves maximum HBF induction already? Thanks.
Sure. The answer to your first question is yes. At some point, we'll disclose the comparative data, but I'm not sure when that will be. Combining them is an interesting question. The I think there are some technical challenges of doing that.
I guess that wouldn't be our first move is I guess. You'd have to edit you'd have to do both editing events at the same time. There'll be some technical challenges that come with that.
Right. Got it. Just yes, so the purpose of that question is mainly to see whether the 2 approach has there are HBF HBS inductions that could be achieved by independently different mechanisms or perhaps they are working in the same pathway and one is better than the other. But yes, I agree that it's not a real proposal, but rather to understand the pathways. But maybe a quick question on the NK cell program.
In terms of the kind of edits you're doing, I think you mentioned you're editing to increase potency of NKTR-two thirteen. Would also something that you're considering? Or do you see this mainly as a multiple dosing approach and therefore persistence doesn't really come into the equation? Thank you.
We will make edits to increase persistence even and multiple dosing still remains on the table as well.
I see. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And this concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to CEO, Cindy Collins for closing remarks.
Great. So with that, we thank you for participating in today's call and for your support as we work to bring transformative new medicines to patients. Have a great evening.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.