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Earnings Call: Q1 2017

Apr 25, 2017

Operator

Please stand by. Good day everyone, welcome to the first quarter 2017 earnings call of Everest Re Group. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I will turn the conference over to Ms. Beth Farrell, Vice President of Investor Relations. Beth, please go ahead.

Elizabeth Farrell
VP of Investor Relations, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Debbie. Good morning, welcome to Everest Re Group's first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. On the call with me today are Dom Addesso, the company's President and Chief Executive Officer, Craig Howie, our Chief Financial Officer, John Doucette, our President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, and John Zaffino, our President of North American Insurance Operations. We begin, I will preface our comments by noting that our SEC filings include extensive disclosures with respect to forward-looking statements. That regard, I note that statements made during today's call, which are forward-looking in nature, such as statements about projections, estimates, expectations, and the like, are subject to various risks. You know, actual results could differ materially from current projections or expectations. Our SEC filings have a full listing of the risks that investors should consider in connection with such statements.

Let me turn the call over to Dom.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Thanks, Beth. Good morning to all, welcome to our first quarter earnings call. We have a positive report for you today. Before we dive into the quarterly results, I would like to touch briefly on the characteristics that have helped the Everest Re Group deliver above average returns. Certainly, our size and scope are important differentiators, more critical to our success is the entrepreneurial and decisive culture that permeates our organization. We are not satisfied with the status quo, instead continually seek to expand our horizons for new opportunities, as well as increase our penetration with existing clients. Examples of this would be our expansion into credit opportunities in both our reinsurance and insurance businesses. Just this quarter, we participated on the new National Flood Reinsurance Program, which represents new business to the market. As governments seek to privatize certain markets, we could see similar additional opportunities.

Why is this important? These new market segments allow us to continue to diversify our portfolio away from the more competitive markets and sustain underwriting profitability. This, and a constant focus on expenses and our expanding use of capital market tools explains why we continue to outperform the market. This now leads me to our discussion on results, which again, were quite positive for the quarter. Operating income increased 17% in the quarter to $260 million, giving rise to $6.29 in earnings per share and a 13% operating ROE for the quarter. The increase in earnings is a result of an increase in both the underwriting and investment income. Furthermore, the underwriting result improved in both the Reinsurance and Insurance Division.

While our reinsurance combined ratio was up slightly over the prior year due to a relatively minor increase in cats, the increase in earned premium propelled us to a higher underwriting result. Increase in earned premium is a continuing result of broadening our reinsurance product set over the last several quarters into crop, mortgage, and other credit-related opportunities. Expansion into credit-related business has contributed to the almost one point improvement in the quarter's attritional combined ratio of 80%. John Doucette will discuss this in greater detail in his Reinsurance Operations Report. The insurance segment results improved year-over-year through an underwriting gain position. This was in part a result of the drag in the prior year from the crop operation that we sold late last year.

Excluding the Heartland Crop business, the attritional combined ratio of 98.1 for the quarter reflects a stable loss ratio, but an uptick in the commission and operating expense ratio. The commission ratio was up on a changing business mix, while operating expenses are trending as planned. We continue to build out the North American European platforms and have had great success with gross premiums written up 21% in the quarter, excluding crop. Expenses are still outpacing earned premium, thereby putting pressure on the expense ratio. We would expect this to stabilize as the operation matures. However, despite this more elevated expense ratio, you will find that by comparison, we are still quite efficient relative to the market. We are pleased with what the team has accomplished in a relatively short timeframe, which was aided in part by the market dislocation created by a few large players.

In fact, given the opportunities presented by this market turmoil, we actually accelerated our investment in the operation. You will hear more details on all this later in Jon Zaffino's Operations Report. Another strong spot this quarter was investment income, which increased approximately $20 million. Our alternative portfolio accounted for some of that improvement, along with a higher asset base. Our strategy here is not much different than the fundamental principles we use in our total business. Conservative, yet look for differentiated opportunities that provide good margins relative to risk. As a result, our overall portfolio has a beta of less than 1, yet our returns have been in the upper quartile relative to our peer group. Overall, we continue our optimism in our ability to not only outperform, but also provide above-market returns through the cycle.

I maintain that optimism because of, as I referenced earlier, the well-diversified platform we have built, perhaps more importantly, because of our adaptability to market changes and opportunities. That comes from a corporate culture that embraces new opportunities and that has the skilled talent to execute. You will hear more about our newest initiatives from my colleagues and how we continue to build our franchise for the future. Thank you. I look forward to your questions later on. Now to Craig for the financial report.

Craig Howie
CFO, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Dom. Good morning, everyone. Everest had another solid quarter of earnings, with net income of $292 million for the first quarter of 2017. This compares to net income of $172 million for the first quarter of 2016. The 2017 result represents an annualized net income return on equity of over 14%. Net income included $32 million of net after-tax realized capital gains, compared to $51 million of capital losses in the first quarter of last year. 2017 capital gains were primarily attributable to fair value adjustments on the equity portfolio. After-tax operating income for the first quarter was $260 million compared to $223 million in 2016. The overall underwriting gain for the group was $183 million for the quarter, compared to an underwriting gain of $171 million in the same period last year. All segments reported underwriting gains for the quarter.

In the first quarter of 2017, Everest saw $20 million of current year catastrophe losses related to Cyclone Debbie in Australia, compared to $10 million of catastrophe losses during the first quarter of 2016. The overall current year attritional combined ratio was 84.5%, down from 85.3% in the first quarter of 2016, primarily due to a lower commission ratio in 2017. Our overall expense ratio of 5.8% was down slightly from the first quarter of 2016. Our reported combined ratio of 86% was flat compared to the first quarter last year. For investments, pre-tax investment income was $122 million for the quarter on our $18 billion investment portfolio. Investment income was 19% above last year. This result was primarily driven by an increase in limited partnership income, which was up $17 million from the first quarter of 2016, primarily due to the turnaround in energy-related investments compared to last year.

Pre-tax yield on the overall portfolio was 2.8% with a duration of just over three years. Foreign exchanges reported in other income. For the first quarter of 2017, foreign exchange losses were $4 million, similar to the first quarter of 2016. Other income also included $2 million of earnings and fees from Mt. Logan Re, compared to $3 million of income in the first quarter of last year. On income taxes, the 9% effective tax rate on operating income was on the low end of our expected range for the year. First quarter of 2017 tax rate is slightly lower than the 10% tax rate for the full year of 2016 due to a $5 million tax benefit for a FASB tax accounting change related to share-based compensation. Previously, these tax benefits were booked through additional paid-in capital in the balance sheet.

The effective tax rate is an annualized calculation that includes planned catastrophe losses for the rest of the year. Should catastrophe losses come in lower than this estimate, it would be expected that the tax rate would go up. Stable cash flow continues with operating cash flows of $382 million for the quarter, compared to $375 million in the first quarter of 2016. Shareholders' equity for the group was $8.3 billion at the end of the first quarter, up $272 million from year-end 2016. This is after taking into account capital returned through $51 million of dividends paid in the first quarter of 2017. Capital position remains very strong and continues to grow. Thank you. Now John Doucette will provide a review of the reinsurance operations.

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Craig. Good morning. We are pleased to report another strong quarter with $178 million of reinsurance underwriting profit. Our earnings reflect the continued strength of our reinsurance franchise, sustained by product and geographic diversification, underwriting discipline, and ultimately relevance to our clients. Everest's longstanding global presence, high ratings, and nimble execution underpin our outperformance through this part of the underwriting cycle. Before discussing renewals, here are some color on the first quarter results. Total gross written premium for the first quarter was $1.2 billion, an increase of 19% compared to Q1 2016 through a combination of growth on existing business and new business opportunities. This included $53 million of crop premium on the new quota share arrangement done in conjunction with the sale of Heartland, as well as new structured reinsurance business.

The growth in these profitable, diversifying and strategic lines fortifies our competitive strength in an otherwise difficult market. Additionally, these customized transactions require a differentiating breadth of skills from a sizable and strong partner. Our agility in executing these bespoke transactions is highly valued by our clients and accomplished through attracting best-in-class underwriting, actuarial, and analytical talent, and providing them appropriate resources within a lean and responsive organization conducive to creative solutions. The Q1 loss ratio increased from 53.2% Q1 2016 to 55.6% in Q1 2017 , driven in part by an increase in the cat loss ratio, with losses from Cyclone Debbie impacting the quarter. The quarter experienced lower favorable prior year loss development and an uptick in the current year attritional loss ratio.

The shift in the composition of our book with a higher expected loss ratio on the new crop business accounted for the slight increase in our attritional loss ratio. In our U.S. reinsurance segment, Q1 2017 gross written premium was up 8% to $579 million. Growth was driven by crop and credit related reinsurance writing, offset by a 9% decrease in property lines as we walked away from underpriced pro-rata business. The Q1 combined ratio for the U.S. reinsurance segment was up 3.1 point, affected by the new crop writings with a higher attritional loss ratio and non-catastrophe weather related losses. This was partially offset by a lower commission ratio. Although the crop writings produced higher combined ratios, they consume relatively little capital. Our international reinsurance segment premium was $266 million, up 13% for the quarter and up 8% on a constant dollar basis.

We saw growth across most of our territories: Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Singapore and Canada. Increased property pro-rata business and some higher cat XOL business, particularly in loss-affected regions, coupled with our growth in our worldwide facultative operations provided for this growth. The combined ratio for this segment improved by 1.1 point to 86.6%, despite higher cat losses and lower level of reserve release. This was due to an almost six-point improvement in the attritional loss ratio driven by better experience in certain regions and a lower mix of casualty pro-rata business. Our Bermuda segment written premium increased 57% to $321 million, or up 61% on a constant dollar basis. The growth was largely from new business, including new credit opportunities and account true-ups on financial line treaties.

Premium growth also came from both London and Europe, including motor quota shares and new strategic reinsurance deals with large core global clients. The combined ratio improved to 83.5% with a lower current year attritional loss ratio, no prior year reserve development, and a lower expense ratio. Moving on to the 41 renewals. Everest is well positioned in a market that appears to be stabilizing. Rate pressures continue but are showing signs of moderating as ample capacity is partially offset by increasing demand in some zones. In the Asia-Pacific market, renewal rates in loss affected areas such as New Zealand were up an average of 5%, with rates in a range of flat to down 10% in other areas. Japanese renewal decreases were more moderate at flat to down 5%.

In the U.S. property markets, excessive loss rates were flat to down 5%, with indications that some early 61 renewals will be flat. We are expecting incremental Florida demand, fostering some market stability, but this could be somewhat offset by decreased purchasing by Citizens. As Dom mentioned, we did participate on the new national flood program that came to the market, and we are exploring other potential opportunities around flood coverage. In our casualty book, reinsurance rates, terms and conditions are stable, but reductions on underlying business continue to put pressure on overall economics. Nevertheless, we were able to reallocate our capital to more favorable opportunities and we see some improvement in certain facultative lines. Internationally, some of the recent currency movements have allowed foreign-based competitors to report accounting gains, softening the otherwise weak profitability across major classes and delaying market stabilization.

Rate decreases were smaller than in prior renewals. In the U.K., Ogden rate change, which has affected the U.K. motor market, has caused some market disruption, with treaties being extended as insurers reassess their strategies. Large rate increases and program restructurings have been the norm on affected motor programs. Throughout the world, our clients demand multifaceted solutions commensurate with their expanding scope, complex capital requirements, and unique demands. Our clients clearly want to trade with reinsurers like Everest that offer scale, expertise, and a sustainable franchise. We just completed our latest cat bond transaction with the issuance of $1.25 billion of Kilimanjaro II catastrophe bond. That brings our total catastrophe bond capacity to $2.8 billion, which, in conjunction with Mount Logan and our own balance sheet, elevates Everest's total capacity and capital across both rated and unrated balance sheets to almost $13 billion.

This places us among the very largest reinsurers in the industry, making us even more relevant to our clients and brokers. Overall, Everest Reinsurance operations remain well-positioned and diversified by product, distribution, geography, client, and capital, giving us numerous levers to control our market efficiency and effectiveness. We continually enhance our strategic focus to succeed in the new reinsurance world order. Thank you, and now I will turn it over to John Zaffino to review our insurance operations.

Jonathan Zaffino
President of North American Insurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Thank you, John, and good morning. The Everest global Insurance operations performed well and in line with our expectations in the first quarter. Many strategic actions we have taken to establish a world-class specialty diversified insurance organization are becoming increasingly evident in our results. A consistently expanding top line across a balanced portfolio is testament to the relevance we are achieving among our insurers and brokers. We continue to find opportunities to profitably expand our business across our global platform despite a challenging market environment. As a result, Everest Insurance is firmly positioned in the market landscape as a specialty provider, offering a wide breadth of product solutions in lines of business that we expect to outperform over the long term. As in prior quarters, due to the divestiture of Heartland in late third quarter of 2016, I will be discussing our comparative results excluding this business.

For the first quarter of 2017, the global insurance operations registered $434 million in gross written premium, an increase of $75 million or 21% over first quarter of 2016, another outstanding result and consistent with the growth rate we saw in 4Q 2016. This represents the ninth consecutive quarter of growth for our global insurance operation. Each division within the North American segment contributed to this growth with notable strong performances from our Canadian and A&H platforms, each of which grew in excess of 30%. Of further note, roughly 18% of our production in the quarter was derived from our recent new business launches and from our Lloyd's operation, which, as you will recall, has entered only its second year of account. We remain encouraged by this balanced contribution across the diversity of our growing underwriting platform.

Net written premiums for the quarter were $346 million, an increase of $37 million or 12% over 2016. As we've shared in the past, net written premium growth slightly lags gross written premium growth due to the marginally more conservative reinsurance position we have taken to support our many new underwriting divisions. There were some notable transactions in the quarter, particularly within our A&H group, that also contributed to a slightly lower net-to-gross ratio. We expect this to normalize throughout the year. Net earned premium in the quarter increased more in line with our gross written premium on a percentage basis, producing $323 million, which represents 17% growth from the first quarter of 2016. Turning to the combined ratio, the GAAP combined ratio for the first quarter was 98.4%.

While we are pleased to have produced an underwriting profit of more than $5 million in the segment, we expect to show continued improvement as earned premium develops in future quarters. The overall loss and loss adjustment expense ratio for the global insurance operations remained essentially flat year-over-year, registering at 68.2% in the first quarter of 2017 for 68.1% in the first quarter of 2016. On an attritional basis, these ratios improved to 67.8% and are flat period-over-period. Let me offer a couple of additional comments to further amplify our performance. First, both 1Q16 and 1Q17 had unprecedented levels of cat activity in the U.S., with 12 PCS events declared in the first quarter of this year. Despite this, our book is performing well.

Our conservative loss estimates for our U.S. property lines, coupled with a series of deliberate underwriting actions taken over the past several quarters, has largely mitigated the impact of these events to us. Second, as earned premium comes in on several of our new business launches referenced earlier, which have historically generated better combined ratios, we expect the shifting portfolio mix will result in improved overall profitability. Again, the bottom line, we expect improvement in the underlying loss ratios as we move through the year. Our expense ratio in the first quarter was 30.3%, up when compared to 28.2% in the first quarter of 2016, but essentially in line with the full year 2016 result of 29.9%. The change to first quarter 2016 represents roughly a one point increase in our commission in premium tax expenses and a one point increase in our operating expenses.

There remains moderate pressure on our expense ratio due to the continued organic build of our operation, along with the impact from the lag of earned premium. We anticipate the expense ratio to moderate and stabilize as we continue upon our growth path. As Dom mentioned, an expense ratio of roughly 30% remains very competitive in the specialty insurance segment. I'll now turn to the performance of our major insurance portfolios, starting with the North America P&C book, which is our largest business. In the first quarter, the core P&C portfolio grew 15% to $353 million over the prior-year period. We continue to gain momentum across the breadth of our specialty P&C operations. Headlining the quarter were a continued steady growth from our new business initiatives, which represented 17% of our total premium production in the quarter, the highest level we have experienced to date.

The continued addition of outstanding talent to support our strategy across underwriting, claims, technology, actuarial, and several support areas. The announcement of a portfolio transaction we consummated to effectively acquire renewal rights to a direct and facultative book of property business. This book of business closely aligned with our own appetite and fits neatly into our property expansion strategy, and we are pleased to welcome several new talented underwriters to the Everest family. Our Accident and Health group also delivered an excellent quarter of growth with a 38% increase over the prior-year comparable quarter. Our continued efforts to thoughtfully diversify and grow our product lines, including medical stop loss, continues to prove successful. Notably in the quarter, several of our new A&H products, particularly our sports disability offering, also contributed meaningfully to growth.

We expect we will continue to find opportunities across a balanced book of A&H business as the year progresses. Our Lloyd's operation also continued its expansion. The syndicate contributed $21 million to the insurance growth in the quarter, nearly double the contribution from 4Q2016. All lines of business, ranging from our property through our professional indemnity books, experienced growth despite a challenging rate environment. We remain deliberate in our growth pursuits and are finding opportunities for continued expansion. Turning to the operating environment, the first quarter represented a predictably mixed picture from a rate perspective. The overall level of rate change varies meaningfully by major line of business. As a general statement across the entirety of the North American portfolio, I would say that rate pressures are somewhat mitigating. We have many lines of business that are gaining rates across our book.

Let's take a look at this by major line of business. Commercial auto, again, headlined our rate change results in the first quarter as it has in several prior quarters. We continue to achieve high single to low double-digit rate changes for this line of business. Again, our exposure to this line is limited as it continues to represent less than 5% of our overall writings. Also, as in prior quarters, the primary general liability and umbrella markets continue to remain in the tight range and are basically flat year-over-year. The professional liability markets remain competitive with continued rate pressures in the mid-single digit range across various lines. We continue to take a conservative posture in this market. Of particular interest to us is the broader attention to rate and terms being exhibited in the U.S. property market.

While capacity remains plentiful, the market continues to find a bottom. Directional price changes month-by-month are recognizing this reality. 12 PCS convective storm cat events in the first quarter, a record for insured losses, on top of last year's prior record quarter, should add momentum to this price action. As we noted last quarter, we feel there is a larger positive story emerging that will allow us to selectively expand our portfolio. Finally, workers' compensation, our largest line of business, continues to experience moderate rate pressure in the low to mid-single digit range on the back of continued favorable underwriting results. While not an unexpected result, there is still an opportunity to consider new business in certain select territories as we closely monitor the many trends across this line.

While the rate environment is trending predictably line-by-line, the overall rate picture is improving across the entirety of our portfolio. In conclusion, we are pleased with our start to the year. Our team continues to execute very well against the major strategic objectives within our organic growth plan. As a result, our market brand and capabilities continue to grow. The annual RIMS conference, which is underway as we speak, is reaffirming our belief in the Everest Insurance value proposition. Based on the client interaction and meeting schedules of our colleagues in attendance.

It is clear we are being embraced by a growing range of brokers and insureds alike. We look forward to continuing our momentum and reporting back to you on our progress next quarter. With that, let me turn it back over to Beth for Q&A.

Elizabeth Farrell
VP of Investor Relations, Everest Re Group

Thank you, John. That ends our prepared remarks. I'd like to open up for the Q&A session.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, you may do so by pressing the star key, followed by the digit one on your touch-tone phone. If you are on a speakerphone, please disengage your mute function or pick up your handset. Again, star one. We'll take our first question today from Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo.

Elyse Greenspan
VP and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hi. Good morning. My first question, I was hoping just to get a little bit more color. You guys saw exceptional growth in your reinsurance business to start the year. I know lots of moving parts with the crop, some growth in credit, and also in other geographies outside of the U.S. When you kind of blend your market outlook together, how do you really see the growth trajectory over the remaining three quarters? Just a question in relation to the Q1, is any of the premium growth that you saw one-time in nature, or are there any multi-year covers included within the strong growth you saw in the first quarter?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Morning, Elyse, it's John, thanks for the question. I think there were some one-off parts to the growth in the reinsurance operation. As we mentioned, there were some true-ups. There is also a combination of growth in the mortgage and credit lines. Some of those are new deals, and some of those are multi-year deals where we're continuing to get premium from prior quarters. We would think a normalized growth rate would probably be high single digits.

Elyse Greenspan
VP and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Do you think that high single digits is something that's sustainable over the balance of 2017 based on how you see the market right now?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

We do. There's a lot of gives and takes in that. We continue to see new opportunities. There's places where we're coming off business that we don't think is attractive, but at the same time, we continue to find new opportunities, both, we talked about the motor quota shares in Europe tied to Solvency II. Also in the U.K. motor market, there's opportunities. Also in the mortgage and the credit and one-off structured deals that we have in the pipeline now.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Elyse, this is Tom. It also highly depended upon June 1. While we have had lots of new opportunities and growth in new areas, new types of products that we're offering, and particularly credit, but depending on what happens with rates at June 1, that's still yet to be determined. Hard to predict some sustainability to our growth rate when we don't yet know what June 1 will be offering up.

Elyse Greenspan
VP and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, great. You guys didn't call out an Ogden loss. Did you guys have any adverse development associated with the change in the rate there?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

The Ogden loss, the prior year event, prior period event, that was covered in our prior year-end reserve position. It's the kind of thing that, while not specifically known at in the prior year, it's the kind of thing our reserve analysis contemplates for things that can go wrong. It's completely covered in that reserve position. We estimate that with the current discount rate that they're applying, up to $30 million was the impact.

Elyse Greenspan
VP and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

That's included in how your reserves are set today?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Yes, absolutely.

Elyse Greenspan
VP and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. In terms of capital return, there was no share repurchase in the quarter. I know we also saw a slowdown at the end of 2016. When you guys are thinking through capital return right now, how do you kind of balance just the growth opportunities that you're seeing in reinsurance as well as insurance, and then just also where your stock is obviously trading at a higher valuation. Can you just update us on your thought process for the first quarter as well as when you think about capital return over the balance of 2017?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Sometimes I feel like a broken record on this one. As you know, we do not give any prediction as to what we will be doing in terms of share repurchases. Relative to the first quarter, how we were thinking about it was that, as you did see, we had significant growth. We remained a little bit more cautious on capital return to the point of not buying in any shares. This coupled with the fact that we had a number of cat events that were potentially swirling around out there. That was part of our deliberations. The third item that you made reference to, of course, was our rising stock price. While in and of itself, and by itself, not the sole determinant, but along with the other factors, all led us to not be purchasing any shares back in the first quarter.

None of that means that we won't be back into the market throughout the year. Again, it has to be balanced up against events that are occurring in the marketplace as well as our premium growth trajectory.

Elyse Greenspan
VP and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, thanks so much and congrats on a great start to the year.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Elyse.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Kai Pan with Morgan Stanley.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you, and good morning. First question on the insurance side. What do you think are your sort of competitive advantages that you can grow in this more challenging market condition, at the same time improving your core or your combined ratio towards your 95%, maybe long-term target? How soon do you think you can get there?

Jonathan Zaffino
President of North American Insurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Good morning, Kai. This is John. I think our competitive position in the market is quite strong. I think that's on the backs of, we are obviously trading with the benefit of a significant balance sheet from the Everest Group, which credentials exceedingly well in a number of our chosen markets. We have been able to amass what we feel is very distinguished talent, taking advantage of the dislocation in the market over the past couple of years. Remember, our insurance platform's been around for a while, so we have a pretty good reach in terms of different market segments, different product lines, et cetera.

As we refined our strategy and focus on the areas that we thought would contribute more to our bottom line and also help us increase our relevance with clients by providing solutions, we're now starting to see the momentum of all those actions take hold. That's been very encouraging. As for why we feel that's going to produce better results, there's a lot of changes. To borrow John's comment earlier, there's a lot of ins and outs here. Lots of different mix scenarios coming in. Our new businesses tend to trend at a lower ELR, expected loss ratio than we've had in the past.

As those gain more scale, as we exit certain lines, such as our crop operation, which is better handled on our reinsurance side, as we de-emphasize a couple of other areas that had higher loss ratios, we expect that combination and mix to produce better performance than we've seen historically.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

I think in part, Kai, to add to that, a little bit of market disruption along with, as Jonathan pointed out, the significant capital base that's attractive to our clients and brokers. That market disruption, again, allowed us to get very capable people, but also as other competitors were reevaluating their strategies, that enabled us to grow certain segments faster than we might otherwise would've been able to do.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Do you see yourself can get down to the mid 90s combined ratio next couple of years?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

One interesting point that we shouldn't gloss over is that the first quarter, while none of the weather events, catastrophe, if you will, PCS events that Jonathan referenced, while none of them reached our threshold for declaring them to be cats, nonetheless, we had $15 million of weather losses in the first quarter of the insurance operations, which amounts to four and a half points in the combined ratio for the insurance results. As you can see, we're pretty much already where you're referencing.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, that's great. My second question's on the reinsurance side. I just wonder, is there any seasonality because now you have the crop reinsurance in the U.S. reinsurance book that would impact your kind of second quarter and third quarter year-over-year comparison in terms of the core combined ratio?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Hi, Kai, it's John. There isn't that much seasonality in crop. While it's a new piece, given the move from the insurance to the reinsurance, in the grand scheme of things, it's relatively small across the overall global portfolio for the reinsurance operation. I would say, no, there's not really much seasonality.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

The fourth quarter and the first quarter results should be a good indication for the coming two quarters.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

You're talking in terms of loss ratio?

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yeah, just the overall, the core combined ratio, attritional combined ratio because there's probably different mix between loss and the commission expenses.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Yeah, that doesn't move around all that much because from quarter to quarter, based on our peg loss ratios, obviously when we get to the fourth quarter, we have our year-end reserve review, which could impact the attritional in that quarter. I don't know that you'd refer to that as a seasonality, but our earned premium is earned ratably through the year, and we book a consistent estimated loss ratio absent any exogenous type events.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Just quick number clarification. Is the $30 million Ogden rate impact is already including in this quarter reserve development or in the fourth quarter one? You said year-end reserve study.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

What I was referencing was that the impact of Ogden, in terms of the dollar amount, wasn't made known, of course, until the first quarter. What I was referencing was that we consider that to be a prior year event, which was more than covered in our year-end reserve review. While not specifically, of course, an item in a year-end reserve review, just like many other discrete events that occur many quarters or years later, frankly, when you look at reserves. The point is that our reserve review contemplates the fact that things can go wrong, things can happen, but you cannot specifically identify what they might be. Our reserve review has a certain amount of conservatism built into it for what I would describe as, at the point of the reserve review, as an unknown event.

The Ogden situation, it was a prior year event for us, and well within the bounds of being covered in our year-end reserve review contemplations.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

That's great. Well, thank you so much for all the answers.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Kai.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Sarah DeWitt with J.P. Morgan.

Sarah DeWitt
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hi, good morning. In the reinsurance segment, I was surprised that the underlying combined ratio improved year-over-year in what's still a competitive market. Can you talk about how you're achieving this, and how sustainable is that going forward?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

The simple answer, Sarah, is just the changing mix. For example, as mortgage and other credit-related opportunities, as that premium begins to flow into the books, that carries a lower loss ratio, combined ratio, than what you would think about as the more traditional lines. That's frankly the simplest example or explanation. We also have a little less quota share coming into the reinsurance book, which also helps maintain that ratio.

Sarah DeWitt
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay, great. Just a couple numbers questions. How much did the crop reinsurance transaction contribute to the top line? How much is your mortgage and credit business?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Crop was about $50 million?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Yeah. $53 million.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

$53 million in the first quarter.

Sarah DeWitt
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay, how big is the mortgage and credit business?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

The total mortgage gross written premium.

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

It's about $150 million-$200 million.

Sarah DeWitt
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Annually or in the quarter?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Sorry, could you say that again?

Sarah DeWitt
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

That's an annual number or in the quarter?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Yeah, that's annual.

Sarah DeWitt
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jay Gelb with Barclays.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks and good morning. My first question is on the outlook for the mid-year Florida renewals, where I believe you said, hoping for flat rates. I think it's pretty well understood that Citizens' insurance capacity is going to be down at mid-year in terms of demand for reinsurance protection. I just want to understand if I have you correctly. Are you saying demand from other primary writers in Florida is going to be enough to offset that?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Well, Citizens is down because the private market has assumed much of that exposure. The capacity will be sought from the private markets.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Is there any influence, do you think at mid-year as a result of Matthew?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

We hope. We think that there could be some influence. That all depends on how much capital is being brought into the market. Look, based on the returns that the industry's producing on overall capital, we do think it suggests that rates should be flat. There's no way for us to know what that might be right now.

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

This is John. There's other contributing factors with the AOB issue that's out there, that impacted people in 2016, including their capital positions.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

What's that, John?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

The assignment of benefits. The assignment of benefits issue that has been happening, that has resulted in an increase in the attritional loss ratio for many of the Florida cedants. Some of them had to go get more capital or are in the process of getting more capital or raising more capital. As you know, reinsurance is a form of capital. A lot of them are potentially looking to increase their buys, whether that's on a quota share or on excess-of-loss basis. Some of the larger Florida cedants have also been diversifying outside the state. As they've been growing, they've had natural exposure growth for their overall books of business. Their reinsurance demands to protect that book have also been increasing, we would see that directionally to continue.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

That's helpful. Thanks very much. My separate question. Dom, in this year's annual shareholder letter, you talked about the decision to build in the insurance segment as opposed to buy, I'm kind of glad you brought that up in the letter. Hopefully that's a pretty good jumping-off point just to touch on it in a bit more detail.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Do you have a specific question there? I mean.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

Oh, yeah, just in terms of that decision, where you see the insurance segment going forward.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Well, we've had this view for a long time, it's not because we haven't considered opportunities that are out there. Our view has been based on the fact that since we had an existing operation As contrasted with not having one at all, we felt that it was easier for us to grow our existing franchise. In the face of acquisitions are tough because integration issues are challenged. In addition, you're not quite sure the talent that you're getting, the legacy issues that you might be obtaining. There's a whole different face to the market in terms of how a particular company might be presenting itself to the distribution partners. Having the ability to build our message, our culture, our products, our appetite, all of those things from the ground up was more attractive to us.

Of course, coupled with many of these acquisitions, as you know, are occurring at tremendous multiples, creating a lot of goodwill. That set aside, you're potentially buying businesses that have mid-single digit ROEs. Paying a premium for that. That's not all that attractive. What we think we have done here in two short years has been to, of course, dealing with the legacy issues that we've had, but we think the current in-force portfolio, as I mentioned before, absent the weather losses that we had in the first quarter, is already in the low to mid-single or 90s combined ratio. I think our strategy there has proven to be, so far, a good one.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

A final one if I can. The reinsurance performance in the first quarter was incredibly strong, especially taking into account that it was the worst first quarter for catastrophe losses in the U.S. in over 20 years. Can you talk a little bit about whether that's risk management, program structure, primary companies just retaining more exposure? How come we didn't see more of that impact in Everest's results on the reinsurance side?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Well, it wasn't one event, right? It was many events, which for the most part has fallen within company retentions. Along with the fact that, as we have mentioned each quarter for many quarters now, we tend to keep moving up our attachment point because the most competitive part of the market has been down low. We've been spreading our aggregate. We've been diversifying our cat portfolio, slightly moving up an attachment point, coupled with the fact that many cedents, as their capital bases grow, continue to retain more. It's all of those things. Well, it's not any one of them, it's all of those things come into play.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you again.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Jay.

Operator

We'll go next to Joshua Shanker with Deutsche Bank.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, thank you. Can I start with mortgage reinsurance for a second? I want to know how you think about catastrophe risk versus mortgage reinsurance risk. Is it similar? What Everest Re is modeling in terms of its exposure to a mortgage catastrophe? 2, how much business is there to be written out there? What's going to cause mortgage insurers to want to cede that risk in the future?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Good morning, Josh. It's John. A couple things. We have been, as we've talked about on the last several calls, focused on the mortgage opportunity within a broader credit play that we're doing, but mortgage is a meaningful part of that. We have focused on that both in the underwriting side, but also, and arguably more importantly, building out underwriting capabilities, analytical capabilities, ERM risk, and very technical capabilities for us to be able to think about that, really to bring it up to the level of which we have done to the level of how we have been moved to best in class over the last several years in the property side. In terms of how we think about and model it, we look at it at the macro level and how it overlaps and intersects and correlates with our asset portfolio.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

We think about it on an overall economic capital model to the group. We look at it on a realistic disaster scenario. We look at it as total limits that we deploy. We think about across years, the correlation and the aggregation that can happen, and really try to focus on what the economic situation is today and where we think it'll be in the future to determine how we want to play, what attachment points we want to play at, how that would impact if something like the financial crisis of 2008 happened again, how our book would perform.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Along those lines, is it normal to think that sometime in the next decade there will be a mortgage cat event? Is there a way to have that occur and avoid the loss via underwriting?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Well, we have no idea if a loss is going to happen, just like we don't know if a catastrophe loss is going to happen.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

I can promise you a catastrophe loss will happen in the next 10 years. I'm certain of that.

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

All right. I'm going to write that down. We're going to build a book and have an underwriting strategy that we think will succeed.

Based on underwriting conditions, macroeconomic conditions, pricing conditions, we're going to adjust the book, that's our job. That's Dom and mine and the rest of the team's job to do that, to react and how we think the book will best move going forward. We certainly manage to the idea that a loss could happen and try to think of limits deployed and capital required in that context.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

It's also, keep in mind that we tend to agree with you that you have to consider the fact that a loss can happen, it's also where you attach, how diversified you are. There's many factors which go into what the level of loss might be. From a realistic disaster scenario perspective, the exposure that we have to the mortgage space is relative to property cat risk is much less, of course, relative to our capital, it's pretty small.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

I guess one more on that, can we expect that if you've done your homework correctly, a well-run mortgage rebook should outperform a primary mortgage book?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

I think there's strengths, advantages, and disadvantages of both. Clearly, we have decided to make a reinsurance bet on this, that gives us the benefit of hard dollar limits. That gives us the benefit of retentions. It gives us the benefit of having, compared to running an insurance operation, far less resources, both capital and people-wise, it gives us more ability to navigate the underwriting market, the market cycle that could happen. We feel pretty good about how we're deploying capacity and capital and our underwriting strategy, we'll be able to hopefully expand it if the pricing and the market conditions allow, also be in a position to dial it back if we don't think we're getting paid a good risk-adjusted return.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Quickly for John Zaffino, I want to know how he thinks about a one, three, five-year plan. When you started at the beginning of 2015, did you have a three-year plan? Do you have a five-year plan? When are the checkpoints to note that the insurance business is performing in line with sort of the predicted plan on how to get this to be an important part of Everest Re?

Jonathan Zaffino
President of North American Insurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Sure, Josh. Yeah, we have very much phased out a deliberate roadmap that aligns with what Dom mentioned before about an organic growth plan. What does that look like? What are the key milestones along that journey, and how do we get there? Certainly for us, there was a few prominent themes in that process. Number one was sort of foundationally preparing the organization for that journey, which is an ongoing, everyday type of exercise. Certainly looking to enhance our market relevance in the form of people and products and distribution connectivity has also been very much a part of that. Certainly along the path, we are going to make portfolio selections along the way. A lot of that work has been at the forefront of our activity in the last several quarters, if not a year and a half or so.

Remember, we're still adding talent as we go here to make sure that we continue to keep up with our growth and aspirations. That's ongoing work. I would say that we're very much on track. We're going to follow market opportunity where it presents itself. We don't have a sort of hard dollar specific target in mind other than we certainly see a lot of growth opportunity that we want to pursue in our chosen markets. Certainly looking to foundationally prepare, refine our operations, add the talent, increase the relevance. There's a lot of work going on day to day, which is the tactical activity that drives success on the insurance side that we're working hard at across the board.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Well, thank you for all the answers and appreciate the extra time.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Thank you, Josh.

Operator

We'll go next to Brian Meredith with UBS.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Yeah, thanks. Just a couple of quick questions here. First, I'm just curious, in the Bermuda segment, what was the kind of dollar figure of the true-up that you had in the first quarter, just so we get a good sense of kind of what your view of growth really is looking like without those true-ups? The Bermuda segment.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Give us one second. Yeah.

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

Yeah. It was roughly about $60 million.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Great. That's truly helpful. Second question on the credit mortgage business, I'm just curious, when you think about the capital allocation to that business, how do you think about it? Are you using, call it, rating agency models? What are you using, and what is the risk here that perhaps there's a change in the way the rating agencies look at the mortgage reinsurance business to get to maybe some type of capital requirement that's closer to a PMIERs or particularly with quota share? Would that change your kind of view of the business?

John Doucette
President and CEO of Reinsurance Operations, Everest Re Group

So Brian, it's John. I think a couple of things. We feel like just overall first principles that Everest, given our

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Overall capital position and diversified book of business, we feel we're pretty capital efficient at deploying capital into areas like mortgage. We also note there has been conversations, and some of the rating agencies have been looking at this fairly carefully about what the rating, how they should think about the capital required to support this book going forward. More times than not, when more capital is required, whether it's from the PMIERs or the rating agencies, that puts pressure on supply. We view that, given our strong capital position and balance sheet and ratings, we view that as a positive. That'll drive increases in demand and put downward pressure on supply. In terms of how we think about it, we think about it all of the above.

Rating agencies, limits deployed, realistic disaster scenarios, stochastic pricing, reserving, looking at an overall economic capital model, thinking about the assets and the liabilities and the whole balance sheet.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Got you. Great. Another just quick question here. Given that you're moving to more, we'll call it shorter tail type businesses, at least in the liability side with MI and crop and stuff, is that causing any changes in your investment portfolio and kind of where you're going to be investing the proceeds?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

No, it hasn't. The duration on the liability side really hasn't moved all that much. It's approximately three years, four years. Our asset portfolio was underneath that.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Okay.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

That has not changed significantly.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Great. Thanks. Last quick question here. Workers' comp market, I know you guys did mention that there is some dislocation in the insurance market in general, and you're taking advantage of opportunities there. How about the workers' comp market with some of the recent activity that we've seen there? Any opportunities there?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

In the insurance side?

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

The insurance side, sir. Yeah.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

There are select opportunities, and we have expanded slightly some of our offerings, meaning expanded into some different states. Only selectively into certain states. California, as you know, which is our biggest comp market, very profitable for us. Rates are off a little bit. We're still very bullish on the sector given where rates are. We will use comp, frankly, as a competitive advantage. There's a lot of markets we compete against that don't have the comp capability, and that gives us an edge to get into some of the other lines of business. That's how we're thinking about it.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Got you. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our final question today from Meyer Shields with KBW.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Hi, good morning, everyone.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Good morning.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Thanks for fitting me in. A year ago, you mentioned that you're not done hiring in the Insurance Division, and in the prepared remarks today, you mentioned due to market turmoil, you've accelerated those investments. Ex Heartland, I see other underwriting expenses up about $9 million quarter-over-quarter. Where do you see the notional dollar amounts going in 2017 and 2018 for the other underwriting expense?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

I don't know that we have an answer for you on that because it's all dependent on the market opportunity. We think about it more as an operating expense ratio. I think where we're at today, we're lower, particularly as the earned premium begins to catch up, because our rate of add-on resources is not necessarily plateauing, but not going up at the same pace that it has been over the last 18 months as we've been building out some of these new businesses. As these businesses have their premium begins to earn in, the expense ratio, all other things being equal, should moderate. As Jonathan pointed out earlier, we will continue to make additions consistent with what we see as the growth opportunity. It's a little difficult for us to give you a nominal dollar amount because that will emerge as opportunity emerges.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay. One of the governors to that is the sort of sub 30 expense ratio target?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Correct.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay, thanks.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

By the way, if it remained at 30 for the foreseeable future, again, as we pointed out before, most of our competitors aren't even close to us there. While everyone seems to be focused on the increase in expenses, the reality is that where we're at today is competitive relative to the market.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Just a quick follow-up on that last point. Any overrides from the more conservative reinsurance program?

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

We have overrides in our reinsurance purchases? Is that what you're asking?

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Yes. That's sort of driving the expense ratio to that sub 30 target.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Not to any significant degree. We do have some overrides, but that's not driving it.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I'll turn it back to management for closing remarks.

Dominic Addesso
President and CEO, Everest Re Group

I'll conclude by just thanking everyone for participating this morning. As you can surmise from our prepared comments as well as some of the answers to questions, we remain optimistic about our ability to continue to deliver solid returns. We've got conservative management of our cat exposure, solid reserve position, along with an expense discipline, and all of that positions us to withstand what the market might bring to us. Coupled with growth into newer product areas in our reinsurance operations, as well as what's proven to be a successful growth strategy for our insurance division, these things should continue to help us maintain our above-average returns. Thank you for your interest, and I look forward to perhaps meeting with many of you in the months ahead. Thanks again for participating.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's conference. You may now disconnect.