Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Randy Burkhalter, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Sir, the floor is yours.
Thank you, Tina.
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Enterprise Products Partners conference call to discuss Q1 earnings for 2020. Our speakers today will be Co Chief Executive Officers of our general partner, Jim Tee and Randy Fowler. There are other members of our senior management team in attendance today for the call. During this call, we will make forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 based on the beliefs of the company as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to Enterprise's management team. Although management believes that these expectations reflect in such forward looking statements are reasonable, we can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to be correct.
Please refer to our latest filings with the SEC for a list of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements that may be made during this call.
And with that, I'll turn
the call over to Jim.
Thank you, Andy. We had a record year in 2019, and our Q1 results show that last year's momentum carried into the Q1. We reported net income of $1,400,000,000 or $0.61 a unit, representing a 7% increase from the same quarter in 2019. Distributable cash flow totaled $1,600,000,000 and provided 1.6 times coverage, and we retained $574,000,000 of DCF. Then in March, everyone's world turned upside down as we were invaded by an invisible enemy coronavirus officially COVID-nineteen.
This is not the first time in my lifetime that we've been invaded by an invisible enemy. I remember as a little boy the most feared disease of the 20th century polio. It was a highly contagious virus. It struck without warning. It paralyzed and it killed.
It put people in something called an iron lung to support their breathing. People who got polio were isolated from others, quarantined, if you would. My mom, who was a registered nurse, called polio. I remember standing outside the hospital with my little brothers and my dad so we could see her through a window. Mitigation steps were taken.
Swimming pools and movie theaters were closed. We weren't allowed to go to public playgrounds. In effect, we practiced our own kind of social distancing. What I don't remember is shutting down the entire economy and 30,000,000 people losing their jobs in 1 month. This too shall pass.
It starts with changing our behavior as we've done. I've learned what social distancing is and my hands have never been as clean as they are. As this pandemic spread, our primary objective was the safety of our people. Our secondary objective was the continuity of our business. 80% of our headquarters people are working remotely from home.
The Zoom meetings are being held routinely throughout the day and throughout the company. And as I understand it, there's been a lot of Zoom happy hours after work. So even though our folks are working remotely through technology and alcohol at happy hours, teamwork continues to be a part of our culture, a part of our DNA. We immediately staffed half our pipeline control people at our backup location in San Antonio. So we're operating our pipelines out of 2 locations to make sure that we always have an eye on our pipe and our plants.
Many of our larger facilities went to 7 on, 7 off to allow for social distancing. Those of us that remained at our headquarters were disciplined in distancing and hygiene. Further, Purell has become a valuable commodity at Enterprise. I've been through many cycles in my life, but I have never seen anything like what we're going through now. Demand literally fell off a cliff in March.
It seems like it was overnight. As demand cratered, our good buddies Russia and Saudi Arabia piled on by pumping an additional 4,000,000 barrels a day of crude oil into the market, and the result was what no one would have ever guessed negative price crude oil. At Enterprise, we immediately adjusted to this reality. Our operations people have gone into a managed cost mode. Our commercial groups have reduced CapEx from almost $4,000,000,000 in 2020 to $2,500,000,000 $1,000,000,000 of which has already been spent.
6 potential joint ventures are being negotiated, which could further reduce CapEx. In our businesses, our LPG exports continue to be virtually sold out. In fact, May, with a little luck, could be a record month. 3 NGL wells at Mont Belvieu have been converted to refined products. Tanks have been converted to crude oil service as our people have found places to store crude oil that 2 months ago we didn't even know existed.
To enhance our financial flexibility, we did a $1,000,000,000 credit facility to bring our liquidity to almost $8,000,000,000 All of this and much more is being done to succeed in this environment. Chaos leads to inefficient markets, which leads to volatility. We don't fear volatility. We embrace it, and inefficient markets work to our strength. Some of our businesses are steady as a rock.
Our NGL fractionators are full and will remain so. And our NGL pipelines overall haven't seen a downturn. Our Permian crude oil pipelines are fully contracted and Seaway is virtually full. Our petrochemical business is challenged as motor gasoline demand has fallen and refinery runs have been cut. Once refinery runs improve, so will our petrochemicals.
Natural gas throughput on our Texas and Louisiana intrastate pipelines have been full. While our natural gas processing has suffered, this is a business that I believe has potential upside in the second half of the year. Opportunities around our assets are abundant. Our storage is worth its weight in gold as there is contained gold on every hydrocarbon and we've even seen some cases of backwardation and there are location differentials around our pipelines. It's anyone's guess as to when the economy will open and things return to normal.
During this time, our people are driven to continue to perform to deliver the results that create the value they've always delivered. I'll give a personal perspective. As a young naval officer and an attack helicopter squadron in the Mekong Delta of Vietnam, I took a great deal of pride that I was part of a special fraternity. It took a long time to have that feeling again, but I have that same kind of pride today being a part of this fraternity. At Enterprise, everyone understands the mission and understands their role in accomplishing the mission.
The mission, add value. How we add value may change, but we always add value. In closing, we want every member of the enterprise special fraternity. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Randy.
Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to remind you that our Q1 earnings support slides are posted on our website for your reference. Starting with income statement items for the Q1. As Jim mentioned, net income attributable to limited partners for the Q1 of 2020 was $1,400,000,000 or $0.61 per unit on a fully diluted basis. Net income for the Q1 included a $187,000,000 or $0.08 per unit benefit in deferred tax expense associated with the settlement of the liquidity option on March 5 and subsequent accounting for a related deferred tax liability.
Moving on to cash flows. Cash flow from operations was $2,000,000,000 for the Q1 of 20 20 compared to $1,200,000,000 for the Q1 2019. Excluding changes in working capital accounts, cash flow from operations for the Q1 of 2020 was 3% lower than the Q1 of last year. Free cash flow for the Q1 2020, which we define as cash flow from operations minus investing activities plus any contributions from non controlling interest was $916,000,000 Free cash flow was $3,400,000,000 for the last 12 months ended March 2020, which was 78% higher than the $1,900,000,000 reported for the last 12 months ending March 2019. We define payout ratio as the sum of cash distributions and buybacks as a percent of cash flow from operations.
Our payout ratio was approximately 56% for the Q1 of 2020 cash flow from operations. In January, we provided guidance that we expected to increase our distribution related to the Q1 of 2020 by 0.25 percent to $0.4475 per unit. Given the economic sudden stop and uncertainty related to coronavirus, we thought it was prudent to hold our distribution flat at $0.445 It will be paid on May 12. This distribution represents a 1.7% increase when compared to the same quarter of 2019. Given the current macroeconomic backdrop, we will be deliberate and our Board will evaluate our distribution growth quarterly in 2020.
With respect to buybacks, we purchased $140,000,000 of common units during the Q1 of 2020, substantially all prior to the COVID-nineteen outbreak, which is a 6,400,000 unit reduction. Additionally, EPD's distribution reinvestment plan and the employee unit purchase plan purchased a total of 1,400,000 EPD units in the open market in the Q1 and affiliates of our general partner purchased approximately 1,500,000 units in the open market during the Q1 2020. Now moving on to capital expenditures. As Jim mentioned, we effectively reduced 2020 capital expenditures by $1,100,000,000 in our initial review. We now anticipate spending between $2,500,000,000 $3,000,000,000 in growth capital projects this year.
We currently expect growth capital investments for 20212022 to be approximately $2,500,000,000 $1,500,000,000 respectively, based solely on sanctioned projects already approved. As Jim also mentioned, we are currently in negotiations on joint ventures, which could lead to a further reduction in growth capital expenditures for 2020, 2021, and 2022. We currently expect sustaining capital expenditures for 2020 to be approximately $300,000,000 which is $100,000,000 reduction from previous guidance. Total capital investments in the Q1 of 2020 were $1,100,000,000 which includes $69,000,000 of sustaining capital expenditures. Turning to capitalization.
Our total debt principal outstanding was approximately $30,000,000,000 as of March 31, 2020, Assuming the first call date of our hybrids and as well as the final maturity date, the average life of our debt portfolio is 16.1 years and 20.2 years respectively. Our average effective cost of debt is 4.5%. As mentioned on our last quarterly call, we completed our issuance of 10 year, 31 year and 40 year notes in January 2020. The aggregate amount of that issuance was $3,000,000,000 We're very appreciative for the continued strong support from our term debt investors in this offering. Currently, we do not expect to have the need to return to the debt capital markets in 2020.
Adjusted EBITDA for the trailing 12 months ended March 31, 2020 was $8,100,000,000 and our net consolidated leverage ratio was 3.3 times after adjusting debt for partial equity credit in the hybrid debt securities given by the rating agencies and further reduced for unrestricted cash. Our consolidated liability $2,000,000,000 of unrestricted cash on hand. As of today, our liquidity is approximately $8,000,000,000 with additional liquidity provided by the new 3 64 day facility entered into on April 3. We are grateful for the support and responsiveness of our bank group in providing us additional flexibility during this time. We anticipate elevated uses of working capital in the near term for contango opportunities.
Regarding our cash balance, our only remaining debt maturity in 2020 is a $1,000,000,000 maturity of 5.2 percent notes due in September. I'd like to thank our employees, many of who were challenged to work from home while maintaining their same level of productivity. I'd like to thank them for their efforts, not only in our business continuity, but also in the comprehensive SOX testing and our accounting controls and processes that attest the earnings we announced today and the 10 Q that will be filed on May 8. I want to take a minute to speak to the durability of our business as we see it currently. Our top 200 customers represented 96% of 2019 revenues.
78% of the revenues from our top 200 customers were comprised of investment grade customers or those backed by a letter of credit. This is based on published debt ratings through April 23, 2020. So it takes into consideration 3 of our formerly investment grade customers that have become high yield fallen angels in the past few weeks. Only 11% of the revenues from our top 200 customers represented independent P and P Companies. Our earnings are typically 80% to 90% fee based depending on the commodity price and spread environment.
When we break down the fee based areas, we compartmentalize those into 3 broad categories. The first, take or pay or minimum volume commitments, which comprise 45% to 55% of our fee based earnings. 2nd, durable fee earnings, which we think of as storage throughput and wholesale deliveries wholesale residential deliveries make up another 20% to 30%. Fee earnings with more volumetric exposures such as wellhead dedication and certain demand based volumes make up the balance. Even within our volumetric based earnings, we have a high degree of confidence in a lot of the earnings capture given the many ways our commercial and operational teams have hustled to keep our assets full such as repurposing storage and pipeline assets.
Finally, I'd like to iterate our financial objectives as to defend and maintain our distribution, our strong balance sheet and our debt ratings, maintain ample liquidity and continue to high grade and invest in projects underwritten by high credit quality customers, long term fee based contracts and underpinned by solid long term fundamentals. Before I turn the call over to Randy, we would like to thank our long term investors for their feedback, confidence and support through these volatile times. To all of you and your families, stay safe.
Okay. Tina, this is Randy. We're ready to take questions from our listeners. But before we do, I'd like to remind them that please just limit your questions to one question and one follow-up. Okay, Tina.
Thank you.
And our first question comes from the line of Shneur Roshuni. Please go ahead.
Good morning, everyone. Good morning. Maybe to start off here, and do appreciate all the comments that you made the prepared remarks. But I was wondering if you can talk about the current environment as when I say current, I mean, with respect to April versus, let's say, February, how things are going from a volumetric perspective, on your traditional fee based and pops business, not specifically talking about the spread differential business, but how are things going with respect to that business as there's been accelerated rig declines and talks of shut ins and so forth? How materially worse do you think volumes are going to be in the second quarter if they're consistent with where they are today, let's say?
Well, this is Jim. I think I said in my prepared remarks, so far, for example, our LPG export facility is pretty full, Brent, and it has been. I think I said that our crude oil pipelines, if you look at our crude oil pipelines out of the Permian, do we expect some downturn in production? Yes. But those crude oil pipelines, I think we have 1,500,000 barrels a day of contracts, Brent, they're all take or pay contracts.
And they all have associated dock deals, some of them storage deals that are all take or pay. And as Randy said, they're all investment grade. From an NGL perspective, we are seeing from the supply side, we're seeing some slight downturns. But on the demand side, we're seeing increases. Where I think we're probably most challenged right now is our petrochemicals as refinery runs have been cut.
But I see upside on that as refinery runs increase. I think our petrochemical business in the second half will do a hell of a lot better than it's doing now. Brent, you got anything else?
No, I think you hit it. I mean, on the flow side, we'll have a record month for LPGs in April. We'll have close to a record in May, maybe a little bit less than April. And as we go out further, you could see some effects on production declines. But in the end, our dock space is over 90 percent contracted for LPGs and crude oil for take or pay.
So we haven't seen big drop offs yet. I think maybe on the G and P side, we'll see some volume decline on that side. But in terms of the customers that we deal with, if you look at the barrels, they're going to be cut out. The barrel that's the highest cost to produce will be 1st. The 2nd barrel that will probably get cut out is the highest cost to get to market.
And then the third will be some sort of a quality issue. So if you look at our system and our customer base, I think we're I don't want to say we'll be the last ones to see reduction in volume, but I think they're pretty well positioned in terms of our customer base to keep on producing it at some sort of level.
That makes perfect sense. Really appreciate the color there. Maybe as a follow-up, in your prepared remarks, you talked about an attempt to reduce expenses and you also talked about keeping the distribution flat. Just kind of thinking that on a go forward basis, are you able to handicap how sizable your O and M and G and A expense reductions could be on a go forward basis? And does the commentary about keeping the distribution flat also remove the objective about a 2% buyback target from CFFO as well too?
Or is that still in place?
Yes, Shneur, on the buyback target, we the company bought back $140,000,000 worth of units in the Q1. And if we use last year's cash flow from operations as a guide, percent of that number was about $130,000,000 $140,000,000 So I think we've pretty much addressed that. I think for a long time, our the way we return capital to investors is consistent distribution growth. And again, this year we added the additional component of doing the buybacks. But I think right now, there's just too much uncertainty at this point in time with this economic sudden stop and how long does this the effects of this coronavirus last on the broad economy and energy demand.
So I think we'll take a look quarterly as the Board meets and see how the business performs.
And comments on the costs?
What do you say on the costs, G and A? Yes. Our folks Graham Bakken in operations is focused on reducing OpEx and sustaining CapEx. And I think I don't know how to answer the fact that we are hyper focused on cost and we're hyper focused on CapEx. I don't know how to answer it other than that.
Perfect. Thank you very much and remember to stay safe and stay sane.
Thank you. Thank you.
And your next question comes from Christine Cho with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Good morning. Thanks for all the color. If I could start with exports, can you just remind us how you're contracted on the export side for crude, LPG, ethane and ethylene relative to the capacities? How much above the MVCs are the volumes currently? And I know you guys have also historically said that you pay a deficiency or the customers have to pay a deficiency charge if they don't pick up the volumes or they cancel.
How much lower is that rate relative to if they were to pick up the volumes?
Christine, this is Brent Secrest. So on a high level for LPGs, the contracts and as you go out further in time, this
If for some reason the vessel doesn't show
up, If for some reason the vessel doesn't show up, there is a payment that's made to enterprise that is essentially an offset to what it would be for us to operate and recover our variable costs. So there's kind of a fixed reservation. There's a reservation component, and then there's a if they do show up with a vessel, there's a variable component that offsets our variable costs. And that varies contract by contract and term by term. On the crude side, again, the volume is over 90 percent.
The duration on our crude contracts is actually longer than the LPG side, And that component is take or pay and there is no sort of offset. It is take or pay, whether the vessel shows up or does not show up, the fee is essentially the same. On the ethylene side, I'm looking at Christy Anna next to me. All those, I think it's almost 100%, 90% to 100%, Chris, that have been contracted as take or pay?
That's correct. Yes. 95% of our capacity has been contracted at take or pay, and it's set up similar to how NGLs where there's a fee and there is a component that is basically the variable cost if they don't show up
to take or pay takes basically keeps us whole on the fee.
When it comes to exports, and I'll let Jim and Randy correct me, but from a variability to our earnings as it relates to exports, it's essentially what you're talking about is some sort of, call it, walk up opportunity we would have on volume. It's pretty much set in stone.
Okay. Thank you. That's really helpful. And maybe if I could just follow-up to Shneur's question about the cost. How do we think about what sort of cost savings we could potentially see in the event of a prolonged return.
Midstream assets seem to just generally be a high fixed cost business. And so the more notable cost savings seems to come from shutting down processing plants or non Mont Belvieu frac facilities or maybe a pump station on a pipeline to better optimize the system. But is there anything else we should be thinking about just beyond the standard G and A cuts?
This is Graham. We look at all aspects of how we operate our systems in terms of overall cost reduction. As Jim said, we're hyper focused on variable cost reduction, whether it be how much power we use for pump station operation, if there's declining volumes from fixed cost. We have a number of strategies that we use to reduce our reduce and extend our maintenance cost. We have a strong focus on reliability and predictive maintenance, and we use those tools and all of the things we've got help us to really run our cost and manage those costs.
And we don't put a lot of targets out there, but certainly I think from a standpoint of where we're looking sustainable, we can go 10% or lower for some period of time.
Thank you.
And Christina, travel and entertainment expenses are down too.
And our next question comes from Tristan Richardson with SunTrust. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning guys. Just curious, can you talk conceptually about the range of CapEx for 2021 seemingly kind of unchanged from where you talk about sort of general opportunity set in any given year. I mean, the deferrals you saw in 2020 or the deferrals you made in 2020 sort of pushed into 2021 that's keeping that elevated? Or is it just to say that the project outlook for 2021 is largely unchanged from where you see in any given normal year?
Hugh, why don't you start? I'll jump in.
Yes. Tristan, pretty much it was a combination of things because we had some projects that the capital expenditures were deferred. So yes, some move from 2020 into 2021, but we had some that were indefinitely deferred. So they dropped out of 2020 2021. So it was a little bit of a combination of both.
Helpful. Thank you. And then I mean maybe just conceptually at a high level, could you talk about a CapEx floor for enterprise where CapEx could be in any given year where only the most critical and essential projects are go ahead or what that could look like in any given year?
Yes. Tristan,
we're in a pretty unusual time right now. I'd say if we think about base level of opportunities, it seems like invariably we have opportunities to come in and debottleneck the system or do some opportunities to debottleneck the system or come in and reduce costs. And they can be $10,000,000 $25,000,000 $50,000,000 a throw and all of a sudden in a whole year it adds up to 250 dollars to $500,000,000 So we have those type opportunities. As we think of things right now on the horizon, we don't see a lot of opportunities facing from the upstream side of our customer base, but we could very well see some opportunities on the downstream side and on the demand pull side as well. So I think as you're thinking about it, probably something in the $1,000,000,000 $1,500,000,000 opportunity from a growth CapEx is a good base level.
Helpful. Thank you guys very much.
Your next question is from TJ Schultz with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. You talked about finding new storage capacity throughout your system. How much available crude storage capacity or what percent of your capacity is not contracted that's available for contango?
More than I thought. Brent, take it.
Yes, I don't I mean, that's fairly sensitive in my opinion. So in terms of how we're going to contract this stuff is there's a chance for us to have some opportunities long term with people and it's probably not going to be a different approach than how we did some of our crude oil pipelines as there were some short term opportunity. And if it made sense for us and it made sense for the customer, we did long term deals on the pipeline side of the Permian. So what may have not looked so great early on looks pretty good now. In the case of storage, it's a balance, frankly, of us trying to secure long term deals and then take advantage of the opportunity.
But in terms of specific numbers, I'll just echo Jim. You take a hard look at your business and you get a lot of people involved and you find things that frankly you forgot about. And we've been pleasantly surprised with how much crude oil storage that we have access to.
Refer back to my script notes, we think our storage is worth its weight in gold.
And TJ, I think
one other thing. We talked when it was just 3 months ago, feels like it was 3 years ago, when we had our Q4 earnings call, we talked about in 2019, we had what we would call out sized spread capture in 2019 that we thought that maybe $500,000,000 to $600,000,000 of that would not repeat in 2020. We have the potential to come in and have that kind of number again in 2020. That's a good answer.
Okay, good. Thanks for that. Just on the follow-up for the JVs, I think you mentioned 6 potential JVs are in discussion right now. Have those conversations just given what's happened in the market, have those shifted, accelerated, slowed down at this point? And are you talking to more strategic or financial partners?
Thanks.
Well, first of all, we're talking to strategic partners. And secondly, yes, we're in discussions with 6. I'd say 3 of those are highly engaged.
Our next question comes from Pierce Hammond with Simmons Energy. Please go ahead.
Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. And Jim, I appreciate your prepared remarks. That was really interesting. My first question pertains to force majeure. Are you experiencing any force majeure calls on take or pay contracts?
And assuming we fill full oil storage and producers have no place to ship the crude, could that be a reason that they call for a force majeure?
We would call that a price majeure and that's not in our contracts. We've looked at all our contracts and we feel pretty comfortable that we're not going to have any issue with force measures as it relates to price.
Okay. Thank you for that. And then my follow-up is what is your outlook for U. S. Oil and LPG exports over the next 2 years?
Could you see a situation whereby some of your oil export capacity gets repurposed to LPG exports?
I'll take a shot and then Brent and Tommy might follow-up. Yes, I think in our LPG export facility, I feel pretty good about that for this year. I don't know who the hell can answer you on crude oil. Fortunately, we've got a lot of most of our crude deals are take or pay at the Dot and Brent. I think you said 90%.
But it really boils down to when does this economy come back. In terms of storage, I just fundamentally don't believe that you fill up storage. Something always happens that creates an outlet or stops production. We I think, Brent, we have seen here recently, I mean, we were exporting, what, 1,000,000 barrels a day of crude plus before this. And then all of a sudden, everything stopped.
But now I think we're getting calls and starting to do some deals on crude exports.
Yes. I mean, we're you look at Q1, we're on pace to track kind of the same numbers as second quarter. But if there's a case to be made and I understand it that production declines and kind of by default, I would say that the crude exports are going to decline. I just think a lot of those crude exports are kind of walked up opportunities for other terminals. I would think that if people have take or pay contracts with us, I don't think you'll see a big impact on volumes on our side, and certainly not going to see a big impact on dollars on our side.
In the case of trying to reconvert crude LPG, I mean, that's I think that sounds much simpler than it is. I mean it's essentially a dock is what you gain. And if crude oil production declines, you got to make the assumption that NGL production will go with it. You may see different basins return that aren't crude centric. So I would think along those lines, there may be a resurgence in some of those basins that maybe value or have NGLs and gas.
So I think there's some opportunity there for us.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Your next question comes from Jean Ann Salisbury with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on the major CapEx in 2021 and beyond. As someone noted before, it looks like a lot of it has been deferred and I think that that's what the blue check marks mean. I'm just wondering if for some of the bigger ticket items like PDH 2 and Midland to ECHO 4, we should think of it as still being cancelable, if you choose to do so or if there are just major penalties to doing that?
Yes. Both of those projects are underwritten with long term contracts. So in our mind not cancelable.
Okay. Fair enough. And then, I think on May 5th that Texas RRC will decide about whether the Texas cut, would this impact take or pay contracts?
The answer to that is no. And I don't believe for a minute they're going to do anything in terms of pro rationing production.
Our next question comes from Keith Stanley with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Just a follow-up on the $1,000,000,000 CapEx cut for this year. It seems like the major sort of capital projects are only delayed really slightly and the ISOM was canceled. So how much of the $1,000,000,000 has changes kind of the major projects you guys lay out versus just the environment, less need for well connects and smaller things on the margin that you're able to pull out of the budget?
And I'm sorry, could you repeat your question one more time?
The $1,000,000,000 CapEx cut, I'm wondering how much of that is from the major projects you lay out in your slides, which are really only delayed slightly versus other things just in the environment where you could have fewer well connects and just smaller projects that normally support producer growth?
Yes. I would say a significant amount of it was attributable to the larger projects. There was if you would, there was a bucket of other projects that it may have accounted for $200,000,000 $300,000,000
Okay. That's helpful.
The second question, just on the C Corp question, I'm just curious how recent events have impacted your thought process with obviously the sector selling off very hard, closed end fund issues. But then, I guess, on the other side, you have federal deficits really kind of exploding here. Just any updated thoughts on how you think about the C Corp question given what's happened in the world over the past few months?
Yes, I'll be honest. Really, that hasn't been our priority is to come in and evaluate MLP versus C Corp here in the last few weeks. It's really about executing on the business in these uncertain times and getting us positioned from a liquidity standpoint and to take advantage of funding some of these contango opportunities. I think you hit on some key things there. I mean, it seems like invariably you have you can have some investor turnover.
I think MLPs had our fair share of it here in the last 6 weeks. But if I come in and I think you hit on a key point. I think everybody is going to pay more in income taxes including C Corps going down the road. So we'll see what happens there. Somebody's got to pay the tab for all these $1,000,000,000,000 stimulus packages.
And then but also I think frankly what surprised me
was some
of the volatility in the C Corp names that we saw some of those names just plummet. So but we've not gone into a deep dive or any kind of reevaluation.
Think what you just said is we've been too damn busy. That's
right. Makes sense. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Spiro Dounis with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning everyone. Just want to start off on strategy. You all have been slightly more aggressive or taking a slightly more aggressive approach leading into this downturn and we're focused on capturing more market share. And Jim earlier you mentioned embracing volatility. So just curious, has anything really changed or does anything change that approach?
And do you actually see an ability here to accelerate market share capture in this environment either organically or through M and A?
I guess, it's hard to understand the question.
No. You guys that I sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead, Randy.
Yes. If you could repeat your question one more time, maybe just a little bit louder.
No, no problem. So you guys have been fairly aggressive leading into this. It sounds like you were trying to capture market share, getting really competitive on pricing and some re contracting to attract more
Yes. I don't think there's any M and A that we're looking at that we would look at right now. And yes, I think we talked about on our LPG export dock, if you're going to compete with us, you better be willing to get down and dirty. And we contracted that dock out. I think we kept a couple of spots a month.
And then in terms of embracing volatility, we've got a 20 year track record of creating value and sometimes that comes in different forms. I'm not sure how much credit we get for it. But when we say embrace volatility, we've benefited from crude falling on the floor, refined products, LPG. We have a footprint that lends itself to having opportunities that in normal circumstances aren't there. And that's been the case through hurricanes and financial meltdowns and now through coronavirus.
Understood. And just going back to the potential for future CapEx cuts as it relates to joint ventures. 1, maybe specifically focused around Midland's Echo III and connection there to Wink to Webster. I guess my understanding there is that pipeline is some of the steel has been ordered already, some of it's actually ground and I imagine that one falls into a largely underwritten asset that moves forward. But just curious what maybe options you have there around changing the scope or size?
Are there options available to you? And then obviously, you guys also have some idle pipelines or some pipeline optionality to move volumes there instead. Are those some of the things that are being discussed right now?
Well, we can reduce CapEx by entering into joint ventures on assets that are in virtually
house. All right. Thanks, everyone.
Your next question is from Gabe Moreen with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, everyone. Just had a couple of follow-up questions on the joint the potential joint ventures. One is, really on use of proceeds there. Is it fair to say that that's strictly going to deleveraging at this point? Or could there be other some other form of capital to return?
And then also depending on which JVs are able to get going, can you talk about whether or not some of the projects would go from, I guess, the wood shaded in blue to actually, I mean, being accelerated if you're potentially able to get something going commercially, depending on the terms?
Yes. Gabe, on the first part, I think any use of proceeds that we had, whether it would be incremental areas where we may see additional room to reduce CapEx in 2020 or if there was any proceeds from any JV opportunities, it would really just come in and go to delevering. At this point in time, again, any other return of capital, be it through distribution growth or be it through incremental buyback. Really, we need to get more visibility of what the macroeconomic backdrop looks like and what demand for energy looks like before we make any other decisions on that. And Gabe, what was the second part of your question?
Yes, it was just on whether some of the JVs that you're negotiating are for some of those projects, which you've shaded in blue which you've deferred. So depending on how the JV works out, could those potentially be brought? I mean, I guess broadband and broadband
need. Yes. And Gabe, on that one, that's where Jim said, with these discussions, it's for assets across all four segments. Okay.
And then Randy, I just had one follow-up on terms of the marketing opportunities you talked about and the working capital draw. I don't know if you care to talk about how large that working capital usage might be? I realize that's sort of a dynamic number. And then also, can you just talk about maybe the cadence of when you might recognize those marketing earnings in 2020? I assume it's a back half type of the year recognition.
Yes. I'll let Jim or Brent hit the timing of the earnings. I think the one benefit from low commodity prices is it doesn't take a lot of working capital to execute on contango.
Yes. I think we're going to see we've had some in the past, we've had some rather large contango opportunities. At $16, dollars 17 crude oil, the working capital is a hell of a lot less. And the way we're up doing contango by and large is where do you get the biggest spread? I mean, I think it's probably going to be throughout the year, Brent.
Yes. Certain commodities, we've targeted closer to the front and other commodities, frankly, we've kind of spread it out based on liquidity and some other things. But I think the balance of the year, you're going to see these numbers show up month by month.
And your next question is from Ujjwal Pradhan with Bank of America.
Good morning, everyone. This is Ujjwal. Thanks for taking my question. First one, just following up on your earlier comments around share repurchase. So maybe to ask the question a little differently, how do you view the appropriate distribution rate on your units in the current environment?
And how that informs your buyback program beyond the plan to repurchase 2% of 2020 cash flow from operations?
Yes.
We've been public since as far as the distribution growth question goes, we've been public since 1998 and we've provided distribution growth in every year since our IPO. So that's been one of our objectives over time is to provide consistent distribution growth. And so that's been important to us over time. And but I'll you may have asked the question a different way. I'm probably going to go back to the same answer.
Given the uncertainty, again, this economic sudden stop that we've had on a global basis, it's historic. And just there's a lot of uncertainty of how the next 3 months, 6 months are going to progress. And I think we just need to have more visibility of how that's going to progress before we make any decisions about returning any additional capital above what we're doing now to investors at this point. I think this is a point where you really come in and protect your balance sheet, protect your debt rating, come in and protect your liquidity. And we've got a lot of good opportunities that our assets set us up for.
And right now, we are in execution mode big time over the next 3, 6, 9 months.
Thank you. Appreciate your thoughts there. And my second question is regarding your CE Seaway reversal, the partial reversal plan. Can you discuss how that came about despite Cushing already filling up rapidly and how you what sort of uplift do you expect from that reversal?
Brent? Yes, this is Brent, Seacrest. That basically came about because you guys saw what was going on in the market and there was a flight storage and that was the open access storage and frankly that was where people were buying crude oil, whether that was financially or what have you. We look at our customer base and our Permian producers and our Eagle Ford Producers ultimately wanted access to market and some of them approached us to figure out if that could still be reversed. Graham Bacon and his team figured out how to do it very cost efficiently and quickly.
There was a lot of things still in place. So, that was the thought behind that. And it just led to another optimization opportunity on our side and also a solution for
Tina, this is Randy Burkhalter. Given the fact we've got calls coming up after hours and I apologize for anybody in the queue that couldn't get in, but we're going to take one more question before we end our call today.
Thank you. Your next question comes from Colton Bean with Tudor, Pickering and Holt. Please go ahead.
Thanks. So we'll keep it brief here. So just to circle back to LPG exports, I think you all noted that May was shaping up to be a record month. Any detail in terms of where those cargoes are headed or preliminary discussions around June?
I think their mine, Lord is going to Asia and South America. And that if anything is and nothing I don't think anything is going to Europe
that I know of. It's mainly things that are geographically advantaged. I'd say the one big area of uptick that we saw was India and Indonesia, but certainly India had an increase on what they were bringing in.
Got it. Appreciate that. And then Brent, maybe just to follow-up on some of your comments there around when and why we would see production curtailed. As you look across your system, is it really South Texas and the Permian that you would expect to be most exposed? Or are there any other maybe more nuanced regions that have rich gas exposure that you're keeping an eye on?
I would say Delaware Basin Light, you saw what differentials did out there. That became challenged for a little while. Eagle Ford condensate as certain buyers stepped away from the market. And then I see some frankly, I see some opportunities that are going to offset that and whether that's the Rockies or potentially Haynesville, some of those areas I think are going to have a resurgence.
I'll leave it there. Appreciate the time.
Okay. Tina, before we end the call, would you give our listeners the replay information? And then let me just say thank you again for joining us today. And from Enterprise, we're going to go ahead and get off the call. And then again, if you could give the replay information.
Thank you.
Tina?