Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the third quarter 2022 Entergy Corporation earnings release. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star star one one on your telephone. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. Now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Mr. Bill Abler, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We will begin today with comments from Entergy Chief Executive Officer Drew Marsh, and then Kimberly Fontan, our Chief Financial Officer, will review results. In an effort to accommodate everyone who has questions, we request that each person ask no more than two questions. In today's call, management will make certain forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to a number of factors, which are set forth in our earnings release, our slide presentation, and our SEC filings. Entergy does not assume any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Management will also discuss non-GAAP financial information. Reconciliations to the applicable GAAP measures are included in today's press release and slide presentation, both of which can be found on the investor relations section of our website. Now I will turn the call over to Drew.
Thank you, Bill, and good morning, everyone. Yesterday, the planned leadership succession that we announced in August took effect. While I'm honored to have the opportunity to lead this great company, I'm not alone. Leo remains as the executive chair for the next few months, and we will continue to execute at a high level on our strategic path. Leo built a strong bench of talented leaders. Kimberly Fontan takes over as Chief Financial Officer, and Kimberly Cook Nelson assumes the role of Chief Nuclear Officer. Meanwhile, Chris Bakken will serve as the Executive Vice President of Energy Infrastructure to provide leadership and mentorship to both Pete Norgeot, who was recently promoted to Chief Operating Officer, and Kimberly Cook Nelson as they settle into our top operational roles.
With the new senior leadership team in place, Entergy has a bright future, and we expect to deliver on the commitments that we've made to our key stakeholders. Today, we are reporting strong quarterly adjusted earnings of $2.84 per share. This is another solid quarter that keeps us on track for the year. In fact, with our biggest quarter behind us, we are narrowing our 2022 guidance by raising the bottom of the range by $0.10 per share. We are affirming our longer-term outlooks for 6%-8% annual growth through 2025. Last week, our board of directors raised our quarterly dividend by 6%. The annualized amount is now $4.28 per share, consistent with our target payout ratio of 60%-65%.
During the quarter, we continued to execute on many important fronts. Steady, predictable growth depends on steady, predictable regulatory mechanisms. Four of our operating companies have annual formula rate plans that provide timely recovery of our investments to benefit customers. Mississippi's FRP filing was approved in July. Entergy New Orleans and Entergy Louisiana's FRP rate changes were effective on September first, and we expect Entergy Arkansas' annual review to wrap up in December. Entergy Texas filed a base rate case this year, and it is proceeding on schedule with hearings planned in December. Absent a settlement, we expect a decision in the second quarter of next year. The New Orleans City Council approved a $206 million securitization financing for storm cost recovery and replenishment of Entergy New Orleans' storm escrow.
While the prudence review of Ida costs is ongoing, moving forward with the financing will benefit customers by reducing interest rate risk. Louisiana's review of Ida costs is also ongoing. Staff recently filed supportive testimony and recommended full cost recovery. Hearings are scheduled for December, and we expect to receive securitization funds early next year. These developments are an important step in moving our credit metrics back to targeted levels. In September, we received an ALJ recommendation on our proposed Orange County Advanced Power Station, or OCAPS. It was very encouraging that the presiding judges recommended approval of the project, and they recognized the significant economic and reliability benefits that this facility would bring to our customers in Texas. The ALJ did not support the hydrogen capability for the plant, though we continue to believe that day-one hydrogen co-firing capability for OCAPS is in the best interest of our customers.
I'll note that the governor of Texas has indicated his support for the plant, including its hydrogen capability. OCAPS' hydrogen capability is less than 5% of the total investment, and it provides a critically important option for fuel diversity and ensures the plant's continued value in a low-carbon future. Also, an economically viable hydrogen economy is no longer decades away. The passage of the Inflation Reduction Act promises to improve hydrogen economics and further accelerate clean hydrogen production. As we've said, Entergy's region is uniquely positioned to take advantage of this opportunity, and we expect the Gulf Coast to lead the way, bringing jobs and economic benefits to our communities. The decision on Orange County ultimately lies with the commission, and it is on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting.
If approved, OCAPS will be our first unit capable of burning up to 30% hydrogen on day one, with plans to eventually be 100% hydrogen-capable. The Gulf region remains a prime target for onshoring growth opportunities. As we laid out at Analyst Day, our industrial customers have many inherent advantages that make them low-cost producers on the global stage. This is enhanced by recent supply chain and geopolitical conditions. Commodity spreads important to our customers remain positive and continue to support the outlooks we laid out at Analyst Day. We continue to see announcements for new projects in our service area. For example, Entergy Texas and New Fortress Energy signed an MOU for collaboration on developing renewable energy and hydrogen infrastructure. The partnership will help accelerate the green hydrogen economy in Southeast Texas.
New Fortress Energy's project will leverage industry-leading electrolysis technology from Plug Power for the production of more than 50 tons per day of green hydrogen. Entergy Texas will supply 120 MW of green power to serve this facility, which is expected to be one of the largest of its kind in North America. In Louisiana, Olin and Plug Power announced plans to produce green hydrogen from a 15-ton per day plant. Both of these projects are good examples of how the hydrogen economy is coming to life in our service territory. CF Industries announced a $2 billion carbon capture ammonia complex in Ascension Parish, which will create more than 400 jobs. This is another great example of customer growth tied to decarbonization. As I said, we've seen a lot of progress in the last few months.
We continue to monitor the significant pipeline of opportunities for signs of impacts from broader economic uncertainty. We have not seen a noticeable pause or pullback. As we said at Analyst Day, fundamentals of our region uniquely position the Gulf Coast for substantial growth, even in a challenging economy. We also continue to make progress on expanding our renewables footprint. We received approval for the 250 MW Driver Solar acquisition in Arkansas. This facility is being constructed near U.S. Steel's expansion in Osceola, and it is expected to be completed in 2024, and U.S. Steel will receive the facility's clean energy attributes. This illustrates how we work collaboratively with our customers and our regulators to support growth, jobs, and sustainability in our region. In September, the Louisiana Commission approved four solar projects totaling 475 MW.
They also approved our new Geaux Green tariff, which, that's GEAUX, Geaux, which began taking reservations from large commercial and industrial customers yesterday. Based on inquiries to date, we are expecting strong demand, and it arrived. The 365 MW allocated to the tariff were fully reserved in just a few minutes, indicating strong customer demand for sustainability products. We also announced plans for two new renewable RFPs. Entergy Texas is seeking 2,000 MW of clean energy, and Entergy Mississippi is seeking 500 MW. We now have eight active RFPs totaling 7,000 MW. We've made selections in four of those RFPs and are negotiating with counterparties. We'll announce specific projects once agreements are reached. In addition to clean energy, resilience is important for our customers who depend more than ever on reliable electricity supply.
Since Hurricane Ida, we've invested in new infrastructure built to higher standards that will improve the system's resilience, including more than 22,000 distribution poles, more than 2,200 transmission structures, and eight substations. Execution on our resilience investment is ongoing, and our base plan includes investments that will continue to upgrade our system. At Analyst Day, we laid out our $15 billion 10 year accelerated resilience plan. We expect our proposed investments to significantly reduce physical and financial storm risk, and we are engaging with stakeholders to make our case. We made our first filing in New Orleans. We plan to file in Louisiana before year-end and in Texas by mid next year. We did our homework, and the accelerated resilience plan is heavily informed by our neighbors in Florida.
Knowing that their hardened assets performed well in Hurricane Ian, along with the strong performance of our own hardened infrastructure over the past couple of years, gives us confidence that we can substantially reduce our exposure to storms and provide meaningful benefits to customers. Affordability remains a top priority, and we announced several initiatives last quarter to help our customers when they saw higher bills from both warmer temperatures and higher natural gas prices. As part of our recent customer affordability initiatives, we have helped more than 35,000 customers with more than $5 million in bill credits. We've held energy fairs in 48 communities to provide helpful information to our customers about how to manage their bills and benefit from energy efficiency. We've also weatherized many low-income customers' homes and installed energy-efficient appliances, including new heat pumps and tankless water heaters.
These efforts are only a part of what we're doing to help with affordability. Many of our past actions are mitigating the impacts of high natural gas prices for our customers today. The investments we made over the last eight years in more efficient generation and renewable resources are reducing fuel costs. Based on 2022 gas prices, these modern assets are reducing fuel costs by an estimated $400 million compared to what it would have otherwise been. Our nearly decade-long participation in MISO has also produced customer savings, which total more than $2 billion through 2021. Support for economic development and growth in our service areas also helps with customer affordability. Not only does it spread fixed costs over a growing customer base, it also provides economic growth and jobs that are critical for our communities.
Another lever for affordability is continuous improvement, which is more important than ever. We are using CI to find efficiencies that will offset inflationary pressures and create headroom for new investments to help customers. We have a robust growth story at Entergy. We're seeing significant industrial growth as economic indicators for businesses in the Gulf South continue to be positive. Besides driving investment and growth for our owners, that industrial growth is important for our communities, especially in today's economic environment. This opportunity is unique to Entergy, and it will benefit each of our key stakeholders. We see our growth continuing for years to come as our customers need our help to achieve their decarbonization goals. It starts with growing our clean energy capacity, which will reduce our customers' indirect emissions and continues through electrification of industrial processes to reduce their direct emissions.
We're very excited about our near-term and long-term prospects, and we look forward to continuing this conversation with you at the EEI Financial Conference in a few weeks. Before I wrap up, I'd like to say a few words about Leo Denault, who yesterday retired from his role as Chief Executive Officer after a long and successful career. While we won't see him day-to-day, the impact of his tireless dedication to our four key stakeholders remain. Under Leo's leadership, we simplified our business to our core utilities. We turned around our nuclear operations. We redefined our customer focus. We progressed and broadened our ESG commitments. We raised diversity, inclusion, and belonging as a strategic pillar. We emerged as a national leader in corporate citizenship.
Without missing a beat, we navigated through the pandemic and storms of the last couple of years, and we established a clear vision of our future opportunities. As part of his distinguished career, Leo completed 74 earnings calls over the past 19 years, and he has been a steady presence for our key stakeholders. We will work with him as Executive Chairman for the next several months as we continue to make progress on the vision and strategy that he established. As I turn the call over, a word about our new Chief Financial Officer, Kimberly Fontan. Most recently, Kimberly served as our Chief Accounting Officer, and she also has senior leadership experience in operations and regulatory roles. Kimberly brings a broad experience and perspective, and she's a great addition to Entergy's senior leadership team. Now I'll turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Kimberly Fontan.
Thank you, Drew, for that introduction. I'm honored to join the leadership team, and I'm pleased to join you all on the call today. I'm looking forward to working with all of you in the financial community. As Drew said, we've had another strong quarter with results that keep us on track to meet our financial commitments. Summarized on slide three, our adjusted earnings were $2.84 per share. Consistent with comments on guidance last quarter, we are narrowing our guidance range by raising the bottom end $0.10. This result is consistent with our objective of steady, predictable earnings growth. We are also affirming our outlooks through 2025. On slide four, you'll see the adjusted EPS drivers for the quarter. Higher retail sales was the primary driver as last year was impacted by Hurricane Ida. Weather this year was also warmer than normal.
Excluding weather, sales growth in the quarter was 5.7%. Industrial sales were up 7%. We continue to see growth from new and expansion projects in line with our expectations. The primary contributors to the industrial growth were chlor-alkali and transportation customers. Sales to small industrial and cogen customers were also higher than last year. O&M increased for the quarter due to several factors. Power delivery expenses increased, including higher vegetation costs, in part driven by inflation. We also had increased costs for transmission maintenance and nuclear operations. Bad debt expense rose on the heels of higher bills this past summer. Other drivers for the quarter results include higher depreciation and interest expense from investments we continue to make to serve customers.
You can see on slides five and six that the fundamentals underlying our industrial sales and growth remain strong, and we have not seen signs of a pullback. Industrial commodity spreads continue to support positive margins and robust Gulf Coast operational levels. Refining remains highly profitable, with low product inventories supporting high operational rates. Record commodity spreads continue to drive Gulf LNG exports to Europe today, an expansion of this capacity in the future. The U.S. Gulf ammonia producers are running at high rates to help fill the global supply gap. Beyond supportive commodity spreads, the Gulf Coast region continues to offer industrial customers inherent labor, infrastructure, and global shipping advantages. As we discussed at Analyst Day, this next wave of our industrial growth is being accelerated due to onshoring trends.
These trends are caused by broken supply chain globally, manufacturers needing reduced geopolitical investment risk, as well as global customers who need energy security. The results for EWC are summarized on slide seven. The shutdown and sale of our merchant nuclear plants continue to be the main drivers for that business. Operating cash flow is shown on slide eight. The quarter's result is $993 million, a decline compared to last year. Key variances including the timing of fuel and purchased power payments, the wind down of EWC, and increased O&M, offset partially by higher utility customer receipts. Turning to credit and liquidity on slide nine, we continue to work towards achieving in range or better credit metrics by the end of 2023. We continue to monitor our deferred fuel position, and in the third quarter, our balance increased approximately $150 million.
We continue to work with our retail regulators to manage the impact of high fuel costs on customer bills. The forward curve for natural gas continues to decline, which helps with customer bills as well. As deferred fuel balances are recovered, our credit metrics should improve. We continue to make progress on the securitization front. A credit positive development in the quarter was the city council's approval for Entergy New Orleans to issue securitization bonds to establish a new storm reserve and recover Ida storm costs. This, of course, is subject to the city council's prudence review. Last quarter, we gave our early take on the impacts of the Inflation Reduction Act for our customers and for Entergy's cash and credit position. After additional analysis, we continue to be optimistic about the benefits from this legislation. Slide 10 provides highlights on the cash and credit impacts of the IRA.
One important note is that we do not expect to be subject to the minimum tax provisions until 2026. The chart illustrates the relationship between gas and power prices and the resulting nuclear production tax credits at various commodity prices. We expect to see meaningful value for our customers, though, as you can see, the value is dependent on volatile commodity prices. We will work with our retail regulators to flow the value of the production tax credits to customers in a manner that mitigates volatility on their bills. We see meaningful value from the solar PTCs as well. The PTCs increase competitiveness of utility-owned solar. The value for customers will increase over time as we grow our renewables portfolio. We remain encouraged about the prospects for the IRA to create value for our key stakeholders. Slide 11 summarizes the progress against our equity plan.
To date, of the $1.2 billion expected need through 2024, we have issued nearly $1.1 billion, most of which are equity forwards. We plan to exercise the equity forwards and receive the cash proceeds by the end of the year. Moving to Slide 12. Given the added clarity from three-quarters of actuals, we are narrowing our adjusted EPS guidance range and affirming our long-term 6%-8% growth outlook through 2025. For the full year, we once again raised our expectation on sales growth. This is largely due to higher than planned sales to cogeneration customers. While a positive for 2022, going forward, we will continue to plan conservatively for this customer group as electric demand from these customers varies. Commercial sales also have been higher than we expected, a positive sign for economic health.
The higher than planned revenue from weather and sales gives us the ability to spend in areas that benefit our customers and de-risk future periods. Our O&M estimate for the year reflects flex spending, including initiatives to improve customer call response times and the enhanced customer assistance programs that we have discussed. We are also able to absorb some higher than expected expenses, like vegetation management and ammonia used to reduce NOx emissions at our power generation plants without having to reduce other costs. Actions like these help us ensure that we deliver steady, predictable, adjusted EPS growth year in and year out.
The Entergy management team will be in Florida in less than two weeks, and we will provide our preliminary three-years capital plan and high-level drivers for 2023's earnings expectations. Additionally, we will discuss Entergy's long-term growth story, including our unique industrial growth opportunity, our accelerated resilience program, renewables expansion, IRA opportunities, and our role in the hydrogen economy. Entergy has great opportunities ahead for our key stakeholders. We have a strong base plan to meet our strategic objectives, and we look forward to talking to you about our plans at EEI. Now the Entergy team is available to answer questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. We ask that you please limit yourself to two questions each. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet from J.P. Morgan. Your question, please.
Hi. Good morning.
Good morning, Jeremy.
Thanks. Just want to start off with the 2,500 MW added in RFPs. Just what is your expectation for utility-owned opportunities there versus PPAs?
Hey, thanks for the question Jeremy. Good question. Our current expectation is at least 50% or better from an owned perspective, and that's what's assumed in our outlooks.
Does IRA get.
Sorry, Jeremy, this is Drew. It's consistent with where we were at Analyst Day.
Got it. Does IRA present the opportunity that this could be a bit higher?
Sure. That's certainly something that we're looking at. You know, recall that a lot of our investments on renewables are in the back half of the decade, so we certainly expect to see benefits from IRA in that period. We'll talk more about that at Analyst Day, but we do think that the IRA provides upside as well as reducing the need for tax equity partnerships on that front.
Got it. That's helpful. Just if I could ask about U.S. Gulf Coast industrial activity expansion. Just wondering, what cadence do you see for that growth as far as, you know, LNG export capacity and other factors? What timeframe do you see that, ramping up? How do you think about the secondary impact, where you bring kind of, you know, more and better jobs into the area and what that does for your residential, customers?
Yeah, I think that's a great question, Jeremy. This is Drew. I'll start off, and then Kimberly or Rod can add to that. It's, you know, what we laid out at Analyst Day was 6% compound annual growth through the five-years period. There's a big chunk of that that's coming in around 2024, and that's, you know, I think that's probably the biggest step up in our forecast. It's still consistent with what we laid out at that point, and we see it continuing to be robust. In terms of jobs, it certainly will be helpful for jobs in our area and continue to allow our customer, our residential and commercial customer bases to grow.
It's not as big as it was 30 years ago, honestly because of the amount of automation and other things that are inherent in modern industrial facilities. That also gives us the opportunity to be much more competitive on the global stage. I think those, you know, there are trade-offs in those pieces, but that's one of the things that makes our region very attractive. I don't know, Rod, if you have anything to add to that.
No, I think that makes the point. The message we sent at Analyst Day around the back half of the decade, you know, representing the lion's share of the growth. Even at Analyst Day, we showed, you know, what sectors we thought would populate that growth as well, you know, tying in our industrial expansion with the electrification and ESG concerns of our customers. We ought to leave it at that.
Got it. That's helpful. I'll leave it there. Thanks.
Thanks, Jeremy.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Shahriar Pourreza from Guggenheim. Your question, please.
Hey, guys. Good morning.
Good morning, Shahriar.
Just maybe starting off around your earnings guidance. Just I guess looking at your O&M run rate increase and interest rate headwinds for 2023, how are you sort of thinking about the contingency and plan levers on offsets, et c.? I guess how does sort of this inflationary environment kind of change your planning parameters versus the Analyst Day expectations, especially as we're looking to bridge into next year with a sort of a $0.30 band at the top and bottom end?
Thanks, Shahriar, for that question. I'll start with your O&M question. You know, the drivers for 2022 were really around our flex levers, which includes both pull forwards and one-time items like the enhanced customer assistance program that we talked about earlier this year. You know, the pull forwards give us room to pull forward things from future years and de-risk future periods. The other impact from 2022 was inflation, as you noted, and we were able to cover that in 2022 through the increased weather and volume that we had in the first three quarters of the year. That said, we have included a level of inflation in our forecast for 2023, and we expect to meet our outlooks as said, and we'd cover that with continuous improvement opportunities that we've been working on.
As it relates to your interest rate question, I think at Analyst Day, the outlook was about 5% or 5.25%. We have increased the interest rate expense to about a little less than 6% on the long-term debt and about 5.25% on the shorter term debt, and that's included in our outlooks. That said, our treasury team has done a lot of work over the last few years to help mitigate exposure to potential rising interest rates by refinancing long-term debts in the periods of lower interest rates to help us offset in future periods.
Got it.
Shahriar, I'll just add one thing on that last piece. You know, we have a lot of cash expected to come in. Kimberly mentioned that we are intending to exercise the equity forwards, and then we have the securitizations, which we should be finishing up over the next several months. Those two things should alleviate some borrowing needs in the next near term, I should say.
Okay, perfect. Just, Drew, maybe just shifting to financing. I mean, obviously, your capital growth opportunities are increasing with resiliency, hardening, green tariffs, etc. . I guess, how are you sort of thinking about more creative ways to finance this growth in this current really challenging capital markets environment? I mean, there's been some press sort of highlighting that, you know, you could be looking to raise about $2 billion through a minority sale of your utilities combined into a holding company, excluding Texas. I guess, any sort of general comments here? Any sense on timing? Is there a process that started? I mean, you certainly won't be the first utility that's looking to optimize an asset in lieu of traditional financing.
Yeah. You know, I'll hand this over to Kimberly to address it first.
Yeah. Thanks, Shahriar Pourreza. You know, there's no new news on this front. I know we had talked to you about the value difference between private capital and public capital markets, and to the extent that we can capitalize on that and there's a difference there, we'd be compelled to do that. But there's no new news on that front at this point.
Okay. Got it. Figured this is Drew's first Chief Executive Officer call. I was gonna try to put him on the spot. Thanks, guys.
I handed it to Kimberly very deftly.
Look, you deflected it perfectly. Thanks, guys.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Arcaro from Morgan Stanley. Your question, please.
Oh, hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking my question.
Good morning.
On the AMT, I just wanted to check how much of an impact are you expecting once we reach 2026? I think you had in one of the slides in terms of when the corporate AMT would start impacting the business. I was wondering, in the interim over the next couple of years, just given that same slide 10, we're currently seeing Henry Hub forward prices kind of in the $4.50 range or above over the next few years. Is there an AMT impact at all in like 2024, 2025 that's offset by the nuclear PTC level? Wondering if you could just compare those two impacts. Thanks.
Sure. Good question. As the slide indicates, we don't expect a corporate minimum tax until 2026. That's not being offset in 2024, 2025. If you think about how that's being calculated, it's a three-years historical average, and then we can replace book depreciation with tax depreciation. That enables us to not expect to have that minimum tax until 2026. That said, to your point on the graph on the right, we do think that we have significant opportunity on the nuclear PTCs, but it is dependent on the gas and the power prices, and where those are at the time. Those do start coming in in 2023 and 2024, and so we'd expect those to come in earlier than that corporate minimum tax.
We'll work with our regulators to provide benefits to our customers, but also offset the effects of that corporate minimum tax, when we do have exposure to that.
Okay. Great. Thanks. That's helpful. On the upcoming Louisiana resilience filing, I was just wondering if there's any feedback or initial conversations from relevant stakeholders in the state around the importance the priority of kicking off this work and what the appetite might be.
It's Rod. The short answer is the stakeholders in the state of Louisiana all have expressed an interest in resiliency. They certainly understand the nuance after several stakeholder engagements between reliability and resiliency. The commission in and of itself obviously is always gonna be interested in how we pace it, and certainly given the sensitivities around the current economic environment, how does this ultimately impact customer bills? I think as was stated in Drew's opening comments, it's very clear that the lessons that we learned from NextEra Energy is also highlighting the work that we've been doing to get alignment around the need for accelerated resiliency spending.
Obviously, the decision's gonna ultimately play out after the resiliency filing when the LPSC sets a procedural schedule. The homework that we have done to date, all the way up to and including the most recent lessons learned from our friends in Florida are all informing our bullish point of view around the need to do this. We're not in a position to tell you in advance or to get ahead of our regulators, but we do believe we're making good progress on getting alignment among our stakeholder group.
Okay. Great. Thanks so much.
Thanks, David.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Durgesh Chopra from Evercore ISI. Your question, please.
Hey, team. Good morning, and congrats, Drew, your first call, and Kimberly to you as well.
Thank you.
Yes, of course. All my other questions have been answered. I was just wondering if you could update, if there's an update to share on the SERI settlement. I know, you know, you had this settlement with Mississippi, but anything there that we should focus on as we get into the year-end or next step there?
It's Rod again. No new news that I can communicate publicly. I can share affirmatively that we are actively engaged with relevant stakeholders in trying to effect a settlement and find common ground. I can only report that work is ongoing with nothing public.
Okay. That's helpful, guys. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Zimbardo from Bank of America. Your question, please.
Hi, good morning. Thank you.
Good morning, Paul.
If I could just follow up on Shahriar Pourreza's question a little bit, and thanks for the details on the O&M. If you could just break down that, I believe it's $0.60 higher than the original guidance. Specifically, how much is that acceleration versus more the inflation and kind of organic pieces of that?
Yeah, good question. You know, there's a number of both pull forwards as well as inflationary items. It's hard to get to the specific number, but you know, from an inflation perspective, we're seeing that more in, you see it in fuel, you see it in chemical type costs, and then we see it on the capital side and less so in the labor market side. But we have included an ongoing level of inflation. Then if you think about the flex side, you know, we have long talked about flexing up when there are opportunities from weather and volume or other things that happen in the business. That's really what you're seeing on the other side, opportunities to spend where we can support our customers and our stakeholders.
Paul, this is Drew. I'll add that the inflation effects, you know, they are touching us. We're not immune to that, like the rest of the industry. The places where we're seeing it start to creep in on the labor side are, well, you know, Kimberly mentioned the commodity type effects. We are also seeing it, what I would say, in commodity services areas. Vegetation is a big area where we have seen inflation. We have been ramping up, as she mentioned, our continuous improvement efforts to offset that because the inflation piece doesn't go away easily. Our continuous improvement efforts are ramping up to offset that over the next however long we need it. We're finding actually good success in the offset.
We're very comfortable that we're going to be able to manage through the inflation effects that we've seen so far.
Okay, great. Understand there. Staying on the hot topic of inflation, just as you think about the next Arkansas FRP filing, do you think that this is probably another one that's going to be at the rate change cap, or do you think you can manage a little bit below that level?
Yeah. You know, we have been working in the Arkansas area. The continuous improvement will help us in that space to reduce costs. You know, we certainly look at and watch to see, try to stay under those caps so that we're both managing the affordability for customers as well as obviously creating value for all of our stakeholders. We believe that we'll continue to work through the inflation and manage that with continuous improvement. You know, the specific number that we would file in Arkansas next year is still being developed, but it'll certainly take in the considerations of inflation.
We're a little over the cap for what's coming for the formulated plan this year. We are above the cap already there.
Yes. Okay. Understood. Thank you both, and see you soon.
All right. Thanks, Paul.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lapides from Goldman Sachs. Your question, please.
Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Again, congrats, not just to Drew and Kimberly, but obviously to Leo. It's been a long time since coming over from Indiana. I have a couple of easy questions. One is, your demand growth, especially on the C&I side, has been really healthy, not just this year, but the last couple of years. This quarter, we saw a turn in residential demand growth. You've proposed Orange County in Texas, but just curious, even though you're adding a lot of renewable in lots of the jurisdictions, what your thoughts are around in some of the other jurisdictions, any need for any more conventional generation that.
Yeah, that's a good question. You know, we do plan out over a long term, and we're looking for growth. We watch the growth that's occurring. You know, our plans include a significant amount of renewable investments, as you suggested. I think we have 14-17 GWh out over the longer period in investments. You know, we will add baseload generation, smaller units to the extent that they are needed to support reliability and ensure that we continue to meet the needs of our customers. Near term you know Orange County is the project that's on the plan.
Certainly, I think Orange County is an example of how we would approach it with hydrogen capability in mind because of the long-term need to make a potential transition or a targeted transition, I should say, to clean energy where our customers are taking us. That would be part of it. I think Michael in the near term, we don't have a need for incremental capacity that can offset that. Certainly if the energy demand accelerates then we would certainly need to look at that.
Right now, I think we're looking at, you know, sort of the back end of this decade is where we start to see the need for additional capacity, either from storage in some form, or perhaps you know natural gas, you know converting to hydrogen over the long term.
Got it. One unrelated follow-up. Lots of really positive things happening in Louisiana. The securitization looks like it's going pretty smoothly. Still have a last step or two there. It'll be interesting to watch the grid resiliency docket. Just curious, though, can you remind us what your revenue request was for the formula rate plan versus what's been authorized in the formula rate plan there? Just in general, how you're thinking about getting Louisiana closer to earning authorized rates of return?
Yeah. You're referring the fact that we've sort of been at the bottom of our band in the formula rate plan. Is that what you're referring to, Michael?
Either the bottom or in some periods not at the bottom. Depends how long you look.
Right. Well I think you know we continue to work with the retail regulators around options to get more efficient recovery, particularly as we begin to ramp up things like resilience. In our resilience filing, you'll see that we have requests for more contemporaneous cost recovery. We have put in place more efficient riders for transmission and distribution investment in Louisiana. We'll need to get those extended. Those are the kinds of tools that we have been using to help manage the lag that we've seen in Louisiana in particular.
If I look at your EPS guidance over the next couple of years, does this assume that Louisiana, at some point in that time frame, and if so kind of how far out gets closer to the midpoint of the range?
Yeah. It certainly assumes, I think, the last year of the FRP is next year's filing, and we'd have to go through a new either rate case or a renewal of that FRP. You know, we'd work with the commission to get outcomes that support the needs of the business. That's what we would be planning for in our outlooks.
Meaning your outlook assumes you're not at the low end of the band, you're back towards the middle? Or does it assume kind of what you've delivered over the last couple of years?
You know, I think I'd have to look specifically what it assumes, but it certainly assumes that we work constructively with our regulator in order to move us further up in that band.
I don't think it's assuming any new mechanisms that suddenly pop up in the forecast. We are assuming that we have the existing mechanisms in place, but we will need to get better mechanisms or to hit all of the financial targets that we need to hit, particularly the credit metrics that we are targeting going forward.
Understood. Thank you. Lots of things improving in Louisiana over the last five to seven years in terms of regulation, and look forward to seeing this on a go-forward basis as well. Thanks, Drew.
Thank you, Michael.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes to the line of Ross Fowler from UBS. Your question please.
Morning Drew Morning, Kimberly. How are you?
Morning.
Congratulations on the official new rules, I guess, as of yesterday. Most of my questions have been asked, but just a couple from me. Going back to Rod's comment on the Louisiana resiliency filing and, you know lessons learned from Hurricane Ian, I guess one of the lessons learned was the system did very well, but there were parts of it obviously that didn't perform as well, and there's been some discussions, I guess in Florida around undergrounding those portions of the system that are higher risk. Has that entered sort of the conversation in Louisiana yet, or can you provide some color or context around that?
Yeah. Sure. It's Rod again. The short answer is yes. You know, all of the above is part of the analysis, and you wouldn't be surprised to hear us say we expect the conversation to go towards cost benefit and risk reward. As you think about the location of where the risks, say of high winds versus high water shows up, it's different depending upon what portion of the region you're talking about. In Louisiana, they're definitely taking into account the benefits of undergrounding, which historically the benefit has been that the frequency of outages with underground facilities is lower. When there is some type of disruption, the duration is longer. That is after you tend to overcome
The initial upfront cost of undergrounding, which in our service territory has historically been cost prohibitive. What's different now, given some of the, I'll call it the positive recency bias with storm experience, and certainly some of the potential cost improvements and benefits of undergrounding, it is part of the conversation.
All right. That's fantastic, Rod. Thank you. Maybe one just on LNG expansion. We've seen some softening in LNG prices. I think that probably has more to do with weather in Europe than anything else. I know these days. Are you still seeing a lot of interest there? Obviously, you touched on this a little bit, but what interest specifically are you seeing around maybe use of electric drives for future projects and putting renewable energy into those electric drives to the extent possible to sort of make the profile of future projects green?
Yeah, it's at the core of most of the conversations we're actually having with our LNG customers. We noted the recent earnings call for Energy Transfer on Lake Charles LNG project where they're spanning the gamut in consideration of the electric drives, gas compression, as well as a carbon capture. Across the landscape, we're seeing the expected acceleration and development of the LNG projects in the service territory. We remain bullish, as are our customers, notwithstanding the current economic environment.
I think Drew alluded to some of the structural benefits or advantages that those customers have, and that's continuing to show up not just in the expansion, but also in the ESG components of the LNG expansion as well.
Ross, I'll just add that theme around the LNG, you know, with electric drives and having a cleaner product is not unique to LNG. We're seeing that in other industrial processes, where folks, particularly if they're putting in new facilities, they're trying to electrify as much as possible. Some of the, you know, existing facilities will electrify over time, but if anybody's putting anything new, whether it's in metals or LNG or petrochem or whatever, they are looking to see if they can electrify those industrial processes that normally probably would have been handled through fossil fuels. That's an ongoing theme that we're seeing across a broad spectrum of industrial processes.
Yeah, that's fantastic, Drew. Thank you, and we'll see you all in a couple weeks.
Great. Thanks, Ross.
Thank you.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our final question for today comes from the line of Sophie Karp from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your question, please.
Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Let me go back to SERI a little bit here, maybe from a different angle. It's now up to three or four slides in your presentation. Have you guys given any thought to maybe a some sort of strategic, more strategic solution to this you know situation around these assets rather than litigating or trying to settle these dockets one by one? Or maybe, you know, it's a strategic solution or some overarching regulatory solution. There's a global settlement of all of it. Like, are there any ideas you could share that you maybe had?
Sure Sophie, this is Drew I'll tackle that. Certainly the settlement Rod referenced, the settlement that we have in Mississippi, and then we're in conversations with others to see if we can find a global settlement. Prior to the work that we're doing right now up at FERC and all the different proceedings that we have, we went I don't know a couple of decades without significant litigation around SERI. I would expect that once we are through this, it will kind of go back to that natural state. We'll have to see. But certainly a strategic alternative around it is something that we consider, but we would not have an option around that until we get through the litigated settlement.
If we are able to get through the litigation, then we could consider something like that. You know, that's if we go back to a normal run rate, I don't think that would be the best option for us. We'll have to wait and see how this develops, but certainly until we get through the current conversations up at the FERC, we wouldn't be able to go forward in any way on the PP front.
All right. Thanks for this color. It's helpful for me.
Thank you.
Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Bill Abler for any further remarks.
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