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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Oct 26, 2021

Operator

Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to hand the conference over to the speaker today, Jeff Taylor, our Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Thank you, Mary, and welcome everyone to Franklin Electric's Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference C all. With me today is Gregg Sengstack, our Chairperson and CEO. On today's call, Gregg will review our third quarter business highlights, and I will review our third quarter financial results in more detail. When we are through, we will have some time for questions and answers. Before we begin, let me remind you that as we conduct this call, we'll be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, many of which could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements. A discussion of these factors may be found in the company's annual report on Form 10-K and in today's earnings release.

All forward-looking statements made during this call are based on information currently available, and except as required by law, the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Chairperson and CEO, Gregg Sengstack.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Thank you, Jeff, and thank you all for joining us. I am pleased to report that we delivered another record quarter, which included the highest consolidated net sales, operating income, and EPS for any quarter in Franklin Electric's history. Demand across our end markets remains robust, fueling our sustained growth and sizable open order balance. This strong performance reinforces that we have the right strategy in place, which is laying the groundwork to grow as a global provider of water and fuel systems through geographic expansion and product line extensions, leveraging our global platform and expertise in system design. Supply chain constraints continue to persist. Our team remains focused on managing these ongoing challenges to meet our customers' needs as we expect this volatility to stretch into 2022. From a supply chain perspective, it is one of the most challenging environments that I have experienced during my career.

I want to recognize the continued relentless focus of our global team to minimize the level of disruptions for the company and our customers. As we anticipated, during the quarter, inflationary pressures were a more substantial headwind. We experienced high material, component, and logistics cost increases in addition to the continuing impact of tariffs. In response to these cost increases, we continued to implement price increases to maintain an appropriate margin, recognizing the highly competitive nature of our end markets. Turning to our segments, in Water Systems, we achieved record sales with overall revenue growth of 28%, including organic revenue growth of 11%. Robust demand continues, driven in large part by a strong housing market domestically, drier weather, healthy commodity prices, and strong ongoing demand in developing regions.

In the U.S., groundwater pumping systems revenue increased 12% in the quarter, supported by strong housing and agricultural demand. Overall, organic growth in the U.S. for water systems is 10%. Outside the U.S., organic water systems growth was 12%, led by our business in Latin America, seeing substantial success with 22% growth, as well as strength in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, all of which continue to see post-lockdown recovery demand. Notably, our business in Brazil and Turkey continues to be strong. During the quarter, we continued to execute on our inorganic strategy as well. We completed a small acquisition in Australia, Minetuff, which is a line of electric submersible pumps principally used in mine and construction site dewatering. We intend to manufacture and distribute these pumps across our global footprint. With Minetuff, we have completed three water segment acquisitions this year.

The other two are in the U.S. water treatment market. Speaking of water treatment, the integration of our recently announced water treatment acquisitions, Puronics and Aqua Systems, is progressing according to plan. Within water treatment, we are making steady progress on our goal of establishing a leading position in the U.S. and Canada as the market continues to consolidate. We believe the marketplace is recognizing our enhanced capabilities in this space. Our U.S. distribution business, Headwater, delivered record performance for any third quarter in Franklin's history, with overall revenue growth of 43%, operating income growth of 92%, and operating margins of 8.8%, continuing to underscore the segment's role as a catalyst for future growth of our company. This tremendous growth has been anchored by sustained demand over recent quarters, reflecting Headwater's superior product and service offerings.

We believe this established leadership position in the marketplace will drive future success and opportunity. Our Fueling Systems business followed suit in the third quarter, producing overall revenue growth of 18%, operating income growth of 26%, and operating margins of 29.5%. This growth was led by sustained strength in the U.S., continued improvement in Latin America and Asia Pacific outside of China, and favorable mix as well. Across the globe, growth in the middle class leads to increased use of motor vehicles, growing demand for energy and energy infrastructure. Recognizing this opportunity, our fueling team is leveraging and extending our success in monitoring the critical assets of fueling station to monitor other critical assets, including electric utility transformers, circuit breakers, and rail, telco, and server farm battery backup systems.

During the third quarter, we maintained our strong free cash flow generation. Combined with our strong balance sheet, this allows us to proactively reinvest capital back into our business, while at the same time returning cash to shareholders. In addition, we are continuously evaluating new M&A opportunities that will enhance our portfolio through product line extensions and geographic expansion, building upon our ongoing organic growth across all of our segments. Looking forward, overall demand continues to be strong, as evidenced by our record third quarter performance and significant open order balance. Open orders at the end of the third quarter were approximately $145 million, up significantly from a typical $35 million pre-COVID run rate. Turning to our outlook for the fourth quarter. As I mentioned earlier, we expect global supply constraints, logistics issues, and inflation to continue into 2022.

However, based on how we have managed through these challenges, we are updating and increasing our current 2021 earnings per share guidance. Our new 2021 full year earnings per share before restructuring guidance is $2.99-$3.07 per share, reflecting an increase in the midpoint of our prior range of $2.95 to our current range with a midpoint of $3.03. I will now turn the call back over to Jeff.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Thank you, Gregg. Our fully diluted earnings per share were a record for any quarter in the company's history at $0.98 for the third quarter of 2021 versus $0.82 for the third quarter of 2020. Third quarter earnings per share before the impact of restructuring expenses was also $0.98 compared to the 2020 third quarter EPS before restructuring of $0.83. Restructuring expenses in the third quarter of 2021 were $0.1 million and were related to various manufacturing realignment activities in the water segment and had no impact on earnings per share. Restructuring expenses in the third quarter of 2020 were $0.4 million and were primarily related to various manufacturing realignment activities in the water segment and resulted in a $0.01 impact on earnings per share in the third quarter of 2020.

Third quarter 2021 consolidated sales were a record $459 million compared to the 2020 third quarter sales of $351.2 million, an increase of 31% year-over-year. The increase from acquisition-related sales was $47.4 million, while organic growth contributed 17%. Sales revenue increased by $1.1 million or less than 1% in the third quarter of 2021 due to foreign currency translation. Water Systems sales in the U.S. and Canada were up approximately 41% compared to the third quarter of 2020 due to acquisition-related sales, volume, and price. In the third quarter of 2021, sales from businesses acquired since the third quarter of 2020 were $33.7 million. Water Systems sales in the U.S. and Canada grew 10% organically in the third quarter.

Sales of groundwater pumping equipment increased by about 12% and sales of dewatering equipment were up about 60%, both due to strong end market demand. Sales of surface pumping equipment increased by about 3% versus the third quarter of 2020 as supply constraints with certain Utility Pumps and lower overall sales of sump pumps limited our ability to grow at a faster rate. Water Systems sales in markets outside of the U.S. and Canada increased by about 12% overall. Foreign currency translation had essentially no impact on sales in the quarter. Outside the U.S. and Canada, Water Systems organic sales increased by about 12%, driven primarily by higher sales in Latin America, Europe, the Middle East, and Africa markets.

Water Systems operating income was $36.8 million in the third quarter of 2021 compared to $36.6 million in the third quarter of 2020, while operating margin decreased by 390 basis points compared to the exceptionally strong margin in the prior year quarter. The decline in operating margin was due to higher SG&A expenses, primarily higher variable compensation and other operating expenses related to increased commercial activity. Additionally, we experienced cost inflation in materials, components, freight, and tariffs, all of which we strive to fully offset with pricing, as well as a higher mix of Water Treatment sales at a lower margin also contributed to the lower operating margin. Distribution achieved record third quarter sales of $140.2 million this year versus the third quarter 2020 sales of $98 million.

In the third quarter of 2021, sales from businesses acquired since the third quarter of 2020 were $13.2 million. The distribution segment organic sales increased 30% compared to the third quarter of 2020, and revenue growth was driven by broad-based demand in all regions and product categories. The distribution segment operating income was a record for the third quarter at $12.3 million compared to the third quarter of 2020 operating income of $6.4 million. Operating income margin increased to 8.8% of sales in distribution, primarily because of revenue growth and improved operating leverage, but was negatively impacted in the quarter by higher SG&A costs, which included variable compensation and other operating expenses.

Fueling Systems sales were a record $81 million in the third quarter of 2021 and increased 18% versus the third quarter of 2020, which was entirely organic growth. Fueling Systems sales in the U.S. and Canada increased by about 27% compared to the third quarter of 2020. The increase was due to higher demand for Fuel Management Systems, piping, and pumping systems. Outside the U.S. and Canada, Fueling Systems revenues decreased by about 1% as sales increases of 11% in the rest of the world outside of China were offset by lower sales in China. Fueling Systems operating income in the third quarter was $23.9 million, a new record for any quarter, compared to $18.9 million in the third quarter 2020, driven by higher sales.

The third quarter 2021 operating income margin was 29.5% compared to 27.6% of net sales in the prior year. Operating income margin in the third quarter increased in Fueling Systems, primarily due to higher sales volumes, favorable product and geographic sales mix. The company's consolidated gross profit was $163.1 million for the third quarter of 2021, an increase from the third quarter 2020 gross profit of $124.3 million. The gross profit as a % of net sales was 35.5% in the third quarter of 2021 versus 35.4% in the third quarter of 2020, and was essentially flat, due in most part to material inflation costs that were offset by price increases.

Selling, general, and administrative expenses were $106.4 million in the third quarter 2021 compared to $75.5 million in the third quarter of 2020. SG&A expenses from acquired businesses were approximately $12 million. Excluding acquisitions, SG&A expenses were higher by $18.9 million, about $11 million of which is variable compensation expense and commissions on higher sales. The effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2021 was 18%, essentially flat with the prior year quarter at 17%. The effective tax rate for the full year 2021 is projected to be between 18.0%-18.5%.

The company ended the third quarter of 2021 with a cash balance of about $76 million and generated $93.9 million of net cash flow from operations during the first nine months of 2021 versus $133.7 million in the same period of 2020. The decrease was primarily due to higher working capital requirements in support of higher revenues, including higher inventory to compensate for supply issues. Yesterday, the company announced a quarterly cash dividend of $0.175 that will be paid November 18th to shareholders of record on November 4th. The company purchased about 98,000 shares of its common stock in the open market for about $7.9 million during the third quarter of 2021.

At the end of the third quarter, the total remaining authorized shares that may be repurchased is roughly 742,000. As previously disclosed in our SEC filings, the company's fourth quarter results will include an estimated $0.12 EPS gain related to an approximately $6 million one-time income gain on a bargain purchase price transaction that will be presented in the income statement on the other income and expense section. Although it is our practice to not call out items as non-GAAP adjustments in our reported results, we are mentioning this gain due to its size and since we do not consider it to be operational in nature. This $0.12 EPS gain is not included in our updated EPS guidance.

As Gregg mentioned, the company is raising its guidance for full year earnings per share before restructuring expenses to a range of $2.99-$3.07. This concludes our prepared remarks. We'll now turn the call over to Mary for questions.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Jake Jarnigo from Baird. Your line is open.

Jake Jarnigo
Equity Research Associate, Baird

Morning, everyone. Yeah, you got Jake here filling in for Mike.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Morning.

Jake Jarnigo
Equity Research Associate, Baird

Yeah, I guess first question would be on the price cost cadence here moving forward. I guess, you know, one, can you kind of remind us or quantify how much price you've gotten in the quarter year- to- date, and then, how you're thinking of pricing implementation going into next year? I mean, how much inherently carries over? You know, I guess, if you can kind of cadence that out for us, qualitatively, that'd help.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Yeah, Jake, let me start that, and then Gregg can certainly chime in here. In terms of our pricing actions, we've been active throughout the full years. You know, we started price increases late last year. We've continued those throughout this year. There have been multiple price increases across both of our manufacturing businesses as well as distribution throughout the year. At this point in time, we've had three, four or more price increases in all of those businesses. We did have price increases in Water and in Fueling, which both took effect in the third quarter. If we look at the current third quarter versus prior year, price is up in a low double-digit% range.

We're seeing the cumulative effect of the price increases that we have implemented throughout the year up to this point. We're also evaluating and working on additional price increases as we continue to see inflationary pressure flow through for the fourth quarter. We'll continue to monitor that as we move into 2022 as well.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Yeah, Jake, you may recall from our second quarter that, you know, we try to get price to offset inflation. First quarter we were ahead, second quarter we got a little behind, third quarter a little bit ahead again. We're mindful that, you know, the inflation tsunami continues to roll forward here, and we're mindful of that. At the same time, you know, when we do price changes, they do take some time to get into effect. We should see some additional price lift here going forward, but we're mindful that we're also gonna see continued inflation going forward as well.

Jake Jarnigo
Equity Research Associate, Baird

Great. Super helpful. Focusing again on Water Systems here. You know, it looks like now dewatering, you know, it's starting to come back apparently against an easy comp. I guess remind us how mix works in this segment. You know, going forward, it would appear, you know, the stronger residential and ag groundwater will start to give way to some of the industrial and dewatering exposures you have. I guess a reminder on how that flows through from a mix perspective, and is it meaningful? Is that something we should be keeping in mind? Thanks.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Sure, Jake. I'll give a qualitative response and Jeff can weigh in a little bit more on the quantitative side. You may recall that, you know, with the groundwater systems, that's where we're most vertically integrated, so that's where we see typically a higher margin profile. To your point, dewatering, because we're buying larger components and assembling them into packages, we'll typically see a slightly lower margin profile. And so you're correct that to the degree that dewatering, particularly the large dewatering pumps become a larger portion of our business, that will put some gross profit pressure on the mix. But, you know, overall, we've done well. The team's done well at getting to a lower fixed cost base in our large dewatering pump business.

That has helped offset some of the lower gross profit margin we see. It still kind of blends through. I believe, you know, we've talked about margins in the 15%-17% range for Water. Certainly the current pressure relates also to the fact that, you know, we're having more of a drag related to Water Treatment because these are businesses that, you know, have lower profit profiles. Currently, we expect over time that they'll get up to more of the median of our Water business, but that takes a little time. That's, I think, gonna be more of a near term drag on OI than necessarily the large dewatering pumps.

Jake Jarnigo
Equity Research Associate, Baird

Great. Very helpful. I'll drop back in the queue.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Thank you, Jake.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Matt Summerville from D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Thanks. Couple questions. Just sticking with water for a second. When you look at, you know, year-over-year all-in revenue up, I'm rounding a little bit, but $60 million OP dollar flat. I know you mentioned maybe some dilution from treatment, but I guess I'm curious, is treatment not profitable then? Help me understand on a year-over-year basis why you're not getting any incremental OP dollar flow through on all that revenue, especially if you're a little bit ahead on the price cost side of things.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Yeah. Thanks, Matt. The quick answer to the first part of that is water treatment is profitable, but the operating margins are slightly below the operating margins we would see for the core business. Given the growth that we've seen in Water Treatment and how it's grown to be a bigger portion of the overall segment there, then it's having a, you know, bigger impact on a weighted basis. The margins there, we would expect to be in the low double digit range, whereas Water Systems segment is in the mid double digit range over time. We do expect Water Treatment margins to continue to grow and expand, eventually reaching similar if not better margin profile than the overall business.

You know, we've recently completed those acquisitions. We're going through that integration phase. We wanna continue to grow that business, and, for the time being, it's meeting our expectations, but it is pulling down the overall segment margins a little bit.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

How about maybe talking through on an OP dollar basis, again, why we're not seeing any income dollar flow-through on a $60 million revenue increase?

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Yeah. I would say, overall, when you look at segment margins in total, you know, those margins are down about 390 basis points on a year-over-year basis. Let me just kind of walk through that bridge, if you will. First thing I'd say is that 18% margins that we saw last year were exceptionally high margins. Certainly some of the highest margins we've seen in recent history. I think you have to go back almost seven years to see margins that were in that range. The third quarter of last year, we were getting strong demand recovery coming out of, you know, the COVID lockdowns and the pandemic.

That period was also before we saw a lot of the inflation that has flowed through to us. We had certainly exceptional margins in the prior year quarter. That's you know that's certainly a piece of it. As I said, we would expect normal Water Systems margins to be in the 15%-17% range. We're at 14%. When you look at the bridge, SG&A is up on a year-over-year basis. That's certainly a significant piece of it. That's about 50% of the overall impact on the operating margin. That's driven largely by variable compensation bonus. As you know, the business is performing well on a year-over-year basis.

Growth is nice, profitability is up, and as the business performs well, then, you know, typically, variable compensation follows that. In addition, we also have higher business activity and commercial activity there. It's related to, you know, we were locked down pretty much, third quarter last year. There wasn't a lot of travel entertainment. There weren't a lot of shows. That activity is beginning to resume. We're seeing more activity in trade shows, more customer visits. As a result, we're investing more in marketing and advertising dollars, and that's also contributing to the higher year-over-year SG&A.

If you look at, you know, the remainder of the change in operating income for the year-over-year comparison is really split between some inflationary cost pressure that we're seeing in the water segment, as you know, they're working really hard to keep up with that on a pricing basis. They have seen some inflation flow through versus price. They've got some pressure there. The other piece of it is the mix piece from the water treatment that we've talked about already.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Then just one follow-up. Gregg, I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks your backlog, I think you referred to it as open orders, stood at $145 million. How did that compare on a sequential basis? At what point do you think you'll be able to start, you know, biting into that number? Do you see it still increasing sequentially for the time being?

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

No, Matt, I appreciate the follow-up. We are actually down from Q2. I recall, I think Q2 was about $170 million.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

$175 million.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

$175 million. Flat on the fueling piece. The fueling demand and recovery of the North American market has been really strong, and we see it continuing that way as there's further consolidation in the industry and investment by major marketers. Water piece, we knocked down probably about $30 million. We're beginning to dig into that on the water side as we speak. I think, you know, fueling will come along with further along just because of the strong end market demand.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Thank you, Matt.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Walter Liptak from Seaport Global. Your line is open.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Hey, Walter. Good morning.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

Hi. Wanted to ask one from 50,000 ft. You know, with the talk of selling price increases and more coming, is there any demand destruction that's coming in? Like, how are these conversations going with customers? Or you know, is everybody just in the same boat? Or you know, or at some point, do you think you're gonna get more pushback?

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Well, Walter, as you know, it's tough to talk about the future with great clarity, but I will say right now is that people need the product and, you know, as quickly as we can get it through the supply chain, get it through our facilities and get it out the door, the demand is there. There's not a whole lot of conversation about pricing right now. It's all about availability. Until you see some abatement in supply chain and material costs, I suspect that this continued focus on availability is gonna be what's top of mind for customers.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

Okay. That sounds great. Then, you know, kind of thinking of that, when you look at the distribution business, how much of that volume growth is or of that organic growth is volume versus price?

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Again, Jeff's kinda looking at that. It's, you know, one of these things where we continue to price to the market. Some of our products that we get, like pipe and others, are more commodity based, and so it's spot pricing. The price cost mix and distribution isn't quite as clear as it is on the manufacturing side. I don't know, Jeff, you got some additional thoughts.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Yeah, we're seeing strong pull-through on pricing in the second half of the year. On a year-to-date basis, I would estimate that the balance there is about 50/50 between price and volume, Walt.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

It's great to see the profitability come up again in the Headwater business. You know, is this something that's sustainable though, or is it just that you're getting good SG&A leverage? I guess, you know, maybe the better way to ask it is, you know, how are gross margins looking, and are those gross margins gonna be sustainable?

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Yeah. Well, fair question. Look, you know, rising tide lifts all ships. And right now, I think distribution generally, not only Franklin, but other distributors that are publicly traded where we've got information, we're all seeing some lift in our numbers because of strong demand, and margins are holding. We're getting some operating leverage. We had a couple of charges in the quarter that reduced it sequentially from Q2. But you know, I'd say generally right now, you know, the distribution business is robust and so therefore we're getting good financial performance. You may recall that our original goal was to get this business in the 4%-6% range. You know, there was some seasonality, so we're doing better in the second and third quarters than that.

We are performing, you know, a step function better than where we were, in prior years.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

Yeah. I guess the question is, you know, do we think that that's? Is there something structurally that's changed, or do we think that that 4%-6% range is where we should think about this business over the long term?

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

I think we've reached a new level of maturity of the business where it would be at the upper end of that range, maybe a little bit higher.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

Okay, great. If I can switch over to Fueling Systems, one of your competitors reported, and they had a little bit of a slowdown in their business during the quarter and had some margin pressure, and you guys seemed to come through it okay. I wonder if you could give us a little bit more color on what's going on in Fueling Systems with the rollout from the major fueling retailers. Thanks.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Sure. Well, again, being mindful that the two public companies that are in fueling, both Vontier and Dover are both in the dispensing side of the business. We are not. There's been this multiyear upgrade of the, you know, the EMV upgrade and dispensers. I think they both have called out that they were gonna maybe face some headwinds. From my memory, they were gonna because of the pretty much completion of that upgrade in the first quarter of this year. You know, we operate principally in the below ground equipment, also with the, you know, the brains of the outfit, the tank gauge and the back office.

You know, with dollars now freed up by major marketers, we're seeing those dollars potentially being redeployed in areas that we benefit from. Also, you know, we may be getting some share gains. That's always difficult to discern, but our marketers are building and they're investing with Franklin.

Walter Liptak
Managing Director and Senior Financial Analyst, Seaport Global

Okay, that sounds great. Thank you.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Thank you, Walt.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris McGinnis from Sidoti & Company. Line is open.

Chris McGinnis
Special Situation Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Yeah. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Nice quarter.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Thank you.

Chris McGinnis
Special Situation Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

I was just wondering if you could just maybe dig in a little bit on the recent acquisitions and around Water Treatment, just maybe their growth rates. I may have missed it if you did talk about it earlier. Just wondering how they're being integrated and the organic growth you're seeing from that business. Thanks.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Sure, Chris. From a qualitative point of view, we didn't discuss it earlier in detail, but the Water Treatment organic growth profile, from what we've seen in the industry and what we've learned over the last couple of years when we first stepped into this business, with our acquisition of First Sales in a couple of years back, is that the organic growth rate looks to be higher than, say, the growth rate of water generally, because you're seeing housing demand recovering. You're seeing people's, not only just in the U.S., But across the globe, being much more focused on water quality. That's lending to a, you know, a higher growth rate.

The other opportunity for Franklin is that while we bought well-established businesses, you know, one in California, one in Canada, and one here in the Midwest, which are strong markets, hard water markets, that these businesses were fairly regional, and we now have given them, you know, the capital and resources to go national. I think that's another good thing for Franklin is that we've got businesses that have relatively small footprints that can grow relatively quickly just by expanding their business models across the U.S. We're gonna look outside the U.S. as well.

The margin profile in the Water Treatment business, I think as you cover other significant public companies or companies that have significant investments in Water Treatment, they're certainly kind of mid-teens margins or even better. You know, we're sub-10% right now in those businesses because of acquisition costs, amortization costs, which we don't break out. We expect those operating margins to increase with operating leverage and with consolidation into our Franklin business over time.

Currently dilutive to our operating margins for water, but we expect them to be equal to or potentially accretive over time, as we get these businesses digested and they can get operating leverage from expanding across the U.S. and then, you know, into a larger footprint globally.

Chris McGinnis
Special Situation Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Good luck in Q4.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

Great. Thank you, Chris.

Jeff Taylor
CFO, Franklin Electric

Thank you.

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. Now I turn the call back over to Gregg Sengstack.

Gregg Sengstack
Chairperson and CEO, Franklin Electric

We appreciate your joining us on this conference call and look forward to speaking to you after the end of the year with our full year results. Have a great week.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you everyone for participating. You may now disconnect.

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