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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 12, 2022

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during this question answer session. You may register to ask a question at any time by pressing star and one on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this call may be recorded. I will be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to John Baker. Please go ahead.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Good afternoon. I am John Baker III, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer of FRP Holdings. With me today are John Baker II, our Chairman and CEO, David deVilliers, Jr., our President, John Milton, our Executive Vice President and General Counsel, John Klopfenstein, our Chief Accounting Officer, and David deVilliers III, our Executive Vice President. As a reminder, any statements on this call which relate to the future are, by their nature, subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those indicated in such forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties are listed in our SEC filings. We have no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements, except as imposed by law as a result of future events or new information.

To supplement the financial results presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, FRP presents certain non-GAAP financial measures within the meaning of Regulation G, promulgated by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The non-GAAP financial measures referenced in this call is net operating income, NOI. FRP uses this non-GAAP financial measure to analyze its operations and to monitor, assess, and identify meaningful trends in its operating and financial performance. This measure is not and should not be viewed as a substitute for GAAP financial measurements. To reconcile GAAP to net income, please refer to the segment titled Non-GAAP Financial Measures on page nine of our most recent earnings release. Before we begin, I would like to pay tribute to Ted Baker, our founder, who we lost two weeks ago at the age of 87.

This company, along with Patriot Transportation, were the brainchild of Ted when he was running Florida Rock Industries, and he served as chairman of the two combined companies from their founding in 1986 until the spin-off in 2015. He was so smart and generous and absolutely one of a kind, and remained involved and interested in these businesses until the very end. Because of his remarkable career and generous spirit, this company is more or less a footnote in his incredible legacy of success and philanthropy. We would be remiss without paying tribute to someone who fully embodied the notion that it's not the years in the life, but the life in the years. The world is a much quieter place for his not being here, and the silence is deafening.

In tribute to Ted, let me turn to our financial highlights from this quarter, which is what he would've cared about. Net income for the first quarter was $672,000, or $0.07 per share, versus $28,373,000 or $3.03 per share in the same period last year. This decrease in income is almost entirely attributable to the gain on remeasurement of The Maren in the same quarter last year. The remeasurement included a gain of $51.1 million, offset by a $10.3 million provision for taxes and $13 million attributable to non-controlling interest.

Other items impacting this quarter's income were general $16,000 of amortization expense related to the leases in place at the time of The Maren's consolidation and subsequent write-up, $733,000 of gain associated with the sale of excess property in Brooksville, as well as a $477,000 decrease in interest income. Some of this decrease is a result of lower interest income due to bond maturities and the fact that The Maren's permanent refinancing paid off our preferred loan to the joint venture, and so we are no longer receiving a return on that loan. Net operating income for all segments, including non-controlling interests, first quarter was $5.7 million versus $4.2 million in the same period last year, for an increase of 35%.

This increase is primarily the result of additional net operating income from The Maren. As we continue to complete construction lease-up, and the lease-up of projects in our development segment over the next two years, we expect NOI to increase, albeit in chunks, in the manner in which the addition of The Maren impacted NOI. This is consistent with our plan to grow NOI substantially in the near future. David will touch on operations with greater depth and detail in his remarks, but I will briefly mention a few operational highlights. Dock 79 ended the reporting period with 95% occupancy for the fourth straight quarter, and that's the first time that's happened since 2018.

This quarter concludes the first full year of a stabilized and consolidated The Maren, and in that year, average residential occupancy was 94.92%, which is all the more remarkable considering we stabilized when occupancy reached 90%, and The Maren didn't hit consistent occupancy above 95% until mid-July. The demand for these assets dovetails nicely with the fact that this is the first quarter in which we have been able to raise rents on renewals since the district placed emergency COVID relief measures in place in March 2020. The rent increases on renewals did not take effect until mid-February.

Even with that headwind, we received a 2.32% increase on renewals at The Maren and a 4.69% increase at Dock 79. For the second year in a row, mining royalties had its best first quarter ever in terms of revenue. This is particularly exciting because the day after the quarter ended, we closed an $11.6 million acquisition to our mining royalty segment. The property we purchased is under leased to Vulcan and is adjacent to our existing mining royalty property in Anastasia Island, St. Johns County, Florida. This 1,500-acre property contains roughly 22.5 million tons of sand and generated $1.37 million in royalties in 2021 for its previous owners. $1.37 million is just under 15%, 14.55% of FRP's 2021 royalty revenue total.

This is the first addition to our mining royalty segment since 2012. Now, if I could turn things over to David deVilliers, Jr. to walk you through our segments in more detail. David.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Thank you, John, and good day to those on the call this afternoon. Relative to our in-house industrial platform or asset management, in December of 2021, we delivered two speculative warehouses totaling 145,540 sq ft. One of the buildings, totaling 66,000 sq ft, is now fully leased and 64% occupied, with the balance scheduled for occupancy in the second quarter of this year. Also, in Q3 of 2021, we broke ground on a 101,750 sq ft building, which is a build to suit warehouse that will cap off the final building at Hollander Business Park. We expect to complete interior fit out and provide occupancy to this tenant by year end.

Cranberry Run Business Park, a renovated 268,000 sq ft multi-building warehouse park, became fully occupied in the first quarter of 2022, up from 87.6% leased and occupied over the same period last year. To strengthen our pipeline of industrial building pads, we are seeking entitlements for the 55-acre tract we purchased in Aberdeen, Maryland, adjacent to the Cranberry Run Business Park in late 2020. We expect the annexation process to be complete later this year, and upon annexation, we'll look to begin the building design to create up to 675,000 sq ft of warehouse product. Existing land leases for the storage of trailers on site help to offset our carrying and entitlement costs. We are hopeful we can begin construction here in 2024.

Finally, in September 2021, we purchased another 17-acre parcel in the Perryman industrial section of Harford County, Maryland, not too distant from our other assets in Aberdeen, and have begun both building design and entitlement work to support an approximate 250,000 sq ft warehouse building. Depending on market dynamics, construction on this project could begin as early as Q1 2023. Completion of these two land development projects, plus the build-to-suit warehouse currently under construction at Hollander, will add over 1 million sq ft of additional warehouse product to our industrial platform. That, when added to the assets in operation at Hollander Business Park in Cranberry, will total over 1.4 million sq ft.

NOI for our in-house operations was $308,777 for Q1 2022 versus $512,696 in Q1 of 2021. The reduction primarily the result of placing the new buildings in service without the tenant occupancy. As the year progresses, the two new buildings at Hollander and increased occupancy at the fully occupied Cranberry Run Business Park should provide a healthy lift to our NOI for this segment in 2022. Mining and royalty. This division saw total revenues for the quarter of $2.4 million versus $2.3 million in the same period last year. As John mentioned, this is a record revenue for the first quarter in the mining and royalty segment.

NOI was $2.291 million, an increase of 4.97% over the same period last year, in spite of a tenant temporarily shifting operations off our site in Manassas, Virginia, for part of the year. Moving on to our third-party joint ventures. Currently, we operate both stabilized and development projects with three distinct development partners, MRP Realty of Washington, D.C., Woodfield Development of North Carolina, and St. John Properties of Baltimore, Maryland. The difference between development and stabilized being an initial occupancy level of 90% for a period of 90 days. As of the end of the quarter, our joint venture platform includes eight mixed-use projects in various stages of development and operation. Four are located in Washington, D.C., where MRP Realty is our joint venture partner. These projects are Dock 79, Maren, Bryant Street phase I, and Verge.

Verge will be ready for occupancy in the third quarter of this year and was 79.5% complete at quarter's end. Our two mixed projects in Greenville, South Carolina, with Woodfield Development as our development partner, saw excellent progress. Riverside opened its 200 apartments for lease in August of 2021 and was 72% occupied as of the end of the quarter. .408 Jackson will be placed in service in the third quarter this year and was about 90% complete at the end of March. Two additional projects that make up the balance of our third party joint venture platform are Hickory Creek with Capital Square and an office retail project with St. John Properties. Hickory Creek's 294 apartment units remained above 90% occupancy for the year, while our joint venture with St.

John Properties that includes 72,000 sq ft of single story office and 27,950 sq ft of retail was up slightly at 48% occupied at quarter's end. To summarize, relative to our third party joint ventures in mixed use developments, Hickory Creek and Windlass notwithstanding, we are currently invested in six mixed use multi-family/retail projects totaling 1,827 apartment units and 128,634 sq ft of retail. At quarter's end, four projects, including Dock 79, The Maren, Riverside and Bryant Street, totaling 1,256 apartments were in operation. Of which 978 of these apartments were occupied versus 530 occupied units at the same time last year.

74,000 sq ft of retail tenants were occupying their respective spaces versus 10,762 sq ft at the same time last year. The remaining 571 apartments in two projects and the related retail spaces currently under construction will be completed and ready for occupancy by the end of this year. FRP share of the NOI for these projects was $2.497 million for the first quarter of 2022, and $1.586 million in the first quarter of 2021. As it relates to our lending ventures, which is kind of the last leg of our operating stool, this is a program where we provide working capital toward the entitlement and horizontal development of single family residential projects and ultimately a sale to national home builders.

The first of our two current projects is Amber Ridge in Prince George's County, Maryland, with a total commitment to this project of $18.5 million. The investment includes a charged 10% interest rate and a minimum preferred return of 20%, above which a profit-induced waterfall determines the final split of proceeds. Land development is in the final stages at Amber Ridge, and two national home builders are under contract to purchase all 187 lots. 64 lots are sold with $9.6 million returned in principal and interest as of 3/31. Our other current lending venture is called Presbyterian Homes, a new 344-lot, 110-acre residential development project in Aberdeen, Maryland.

We plan to provide $31 million in funding under similar terms to Amber Ridge. Entitlements are underway and their success are the conditions precedent to us settling on the raw land. COVID-19 has held our attention for the last two years. We remain fortunate relative to its limited impact on our company and employees. FRP is a healthy concern and we're proud to have been able to continue to grow and prosper despite the challenges that have negatively affected so many. We're close to normal activity at FRP with our team back in the office and warmer weather on the doorstep. We will continue to assist our tenants navigate this new normal and look to grow our portfolio as market conditions allow. As a business, we stand on a solid financial foundation that enables us to capitalize on opportunities while also making the hard decisions sometimes not to.

Thank you, and I'll now return the call back to John.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Thank you, David. Just to echo David's point about our financial position, our cash and cash equivalents have remained the same for the last several quarters, more or less. We're working to put this money to use in income producing projects for the purpose of growing NOI and cash flow, but for the time being, our cash remains a valuable safety net. Now, we are at this point, happy to open up the call for any questions that any of you might have.

Operator

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your touch tone phone. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star and two on your touch tone phone. Once again, that is star and one to ask a question. We will pause for a moment to allow questions to queue. We'll take our first question from Jason Cook with Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Jason Cook
Shareholder, Private Investor

Yeah. Hey, guys. The question I had was, you know, the valuation. I'm just doing the quick math. It looks really attractive at double-digit yields. I'm just curious if you guys were kind of positioned well to purchase that asset as far as maybe not getting the most competitive situation with buying it. Just, I'm trying to understand whether that was kind of market or not. Second question is just the noise we've seen in the e-commerce world.

Just curious if you've changed your optimism at all around the industrial sector and continuing to grow out a new platform there. Thanks, guys.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Thanks, Jason. To answer your first question, I can't speak to what the market was, but we were approached by the landowner, and that was the price we negotiated. We were happy with it, and obviously, they must have been as well, or they wouldn't have sold it.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

This is David de Villiers Jr. I'm happy to answer the second question. Our warehouses, most of the warehouses that we do and have are smaller, they're 80,000 sq ft-100,000 sq ft, and not necessarily involved with an Amazon program. For example, the 101,000 sq ft building that we have under construction is a build to suit for a manufacturing company. We have all sorts of tenants. Obviously, e-commerce is an important part of the industrial platform. And the buildings that we have supported it to some extent. But we have, at least at this stage, we don't have anything really large on the books.

The one that we have at 600 and some thousand sq ft could easily be whacked up into, you know, 425 or 130 thousand sq ft buildings. The market will dictate that action in 2023.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Jason, just to follow up on that, I think for a while, we were focused on the fact that we generated our highest IRR when we sold the buildings immediately, and I think we're focused on that and even stated that we weren't in the buy, develop, and hold business. We don't need the cash, and it doesn't really matter what the IRR is if you can't reinvest that money immediately. The IRR assumes that you have another investment of a similar return to invest in. With $160 million in cash, it's not the case. We've always had a lot of faith in the industrial segment and I think that we're better off you know, holding these assets, particularly at this time.

Operator, can you see if we have any other questions, please?

Like we're having technical.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Operator, can you hear us?

Operator

Yes, we will take our next question from Curtis Jensen with Robotti & Company. Your line is open.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Hey, good afternoon. Can you hear me okay?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Hey, Curtis. How are you?

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

I'm doing all right.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Hi, Curtis.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Sorry for the Baker family's loss, and I guess, you know, the FRP family as well. Just going back to the aggregates, you know, that purchase, can you talk about, is there an expiration date on that lease?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

It extends past what the, you know, reserves would

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Okay

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

would dictate. There'll be. They have a couple of renewal options. The specifics I can't recall. Unfortunately, it does not expire while they'll be mining. The terms that are in it right now are the terms that'll be in it for the duration of the mining.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Would you characterize the kind of profitability as the same as your other operations?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Oh, for sure. It'll drop right down to the bottom line. No cost to us except the acquisition cost. This will all royalties will flow straight to the bottom line with. There might be some property taxes associated with it.

The taxes are very small, but the depletion, of course, we'll get the cost depletion number as we deplete down the basis of that property to more or less what residual property we think will be left.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Okay

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

... non-cash, tax deduction.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Can you characterize at all the landowner? Was it like a small private individual or kind of institutional or?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

It was a family that had controlled that land for a long time, and they had their reasons for wanting to exit it.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Yeah

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

We had our reasons for wanting to enter it. Consenting adults.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

There you go. I just want to confirm with the loan balance at Amber Ridge, I know it's at $16.2 had been drawn, but was that the balance kind of at March 31st?

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

No, I think the balance. I'm not there, Curtis, but I'm thinking we've gotten about $9 million back. So I think the balance might be in the seven-

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

The upside was $8.9 million.

$8.9 million, Curtis.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

All right. Thank you.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

How

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

Broken up.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

How are you guys thinking about construction cost inflation versus, you know, the uplift you might get in rents, you know, whether it's industrial or multifamily? I'm assuming the replacement cost of a number of your properties today is above what, you know, you paid two-three years ago.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Well, Curtis, the good thing is that they're already, you know, the money's already been committed for all that we have, and the properties are all under development and well within the, you know, nearing the end of completion of construction. Same thing holds true for our warehouse. You know, as we say, we look at what the plan is to get these properties, these new properties in a position and even go as far as to get a building permit. Then we'll take a look at the market dynamics and determine whether it's the right thing to do, when that time comes, which is what we always do.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Okay.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

It's not really an issue to us right now, and I don't think it'll ever be an issue. It'll just be a question.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Yeah, your existing projects, I understand everything's baked in at this point. I was just trying to think, like, you know, let's say you were looking at a multifamily thing in the next 12 months and we stay at kind of elevated levels. I guess, you know, the main offset you can get is that the rent profile might change upwards so that you can justify, you know, higher costs or just your return profile goes down, I guess.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Yeah, I mean, I think if things got prohibitively expensive, we'd obviously look long and hard at a project, whether it's land costs or construction costs. If you know, the purchase price is beyond what we think is our ability to generate a return on, I mean that's how recessions start. You just can't generate the return on what you put into it. I mean, that is a factor that goes into every decision we make, regardless of you know, where we are in a market cycle.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Any sense of what is kind of happening to cap rates on stabilized, you know, high-quality multifamily? Obviously, interest rates have gone up significantly in the last few months. I don't know if that's backing up into sort of, you know, cap rates. I mean, I haven't seen anything really recent from like CBRE or Jones Lang or anything, or Colliers or, you know. I mean, would you expect that? I mean, could you, for example, foresee cap rates on your multifamily converging with a 10-year treasury?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

I think you'd have to expect it. I mean, I think, your insight is the same as mine, but I haven't seen any cap rate data. David can speak to that probably with greater intelligence than what I just did.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Not intelligence, but thank you, John. I just think it's, you know, so far, properties that, you know, we are continually getting people to ask us what we wanna do with the properties and so forth and so on. We've been looking at financing our Riverside project down in South Carolina because it's been so successful. You know, the market's what the market is, but as of right now, we're not seeing a whole lot of change. I mean, you know, there's a lot of money out there still chasing really good product. So it's the question of what the market dynamics will be as we move forward.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

All right. Last question, given what's happened in kind of the capital markets, things are unsettled and maybe even dislocating. Mortgage market, at least on the resi side, is probably a little different. Would you see more lending opportunities like to home builders, you know, for those kinds of projects? Or is what's happening in the market kind of giving you pause about, you know, being involved with the home builders and residential construction at this point?

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Right now, Curtis, I mean, you know, we have these two projects. The first one, the builders are committed to, and NVR, as an example, is taking lots down right now, even today, at a much rapider pace than they were going to in the fall.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Yeah.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

I don't know. You know, again, I think it comes down to market dynamics and the location of these markets. We are very, very selective in where we go. We don't wanna be a pioneering program. We'd wanna be the hole in the donut, and that's kind of one of the prerequisites to these. As I mentioned in my narrative, when we go look to buy these lands, we're buying these lands at wholesale prices, but we've entitled them to it, which will turn them into retail prices. There may be a dynamic there where the value, total value changes, but we're coming in at an awfully low point to start, and we would never start any of the actual horizontal or land development work until we got contracts from home builders with significant deposits.

Otherwise, we would just sit there with effectively, you know, a wholesale-valued lot at the time with entitlements that turns streets of value to it.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Curtis, just to follow up on what David was saying. This has been a great program for us and one that was born out of the fact that we had a lot of cash on hand.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Yeah.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

didn't have you know, anything to do with it, you know, for a while. I think it really speaks to David's relationships in that Baltimore area and how he was able to leverage that into this kind of venture. It speaks to you know, kind of the benefits of being a smaller and more nimble company that you know, we could shift into something like this. We are not gonna be in the residential lot business in perpetuity. That's really all I can say about it. This has been a great use of cash for the time being, but it's not. This is not a permanent part of our business.

Curtis Jensen
Portfolio Manager, Robotti & Company Advisors

Great. All right, that's all I had. Thanks. Thanks again.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Stephen Farrell at Oppenheimer & Co. Your line is open.

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

Good afternoon. Can you hear me?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Yeah. Hey, Stephen.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Yeah.

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

How are ya? I just have a few quick questions. The leasing at Riverside is coming along very strong, and the second project is almost complete. How has the working relationship with Woodfield been, and has there been talks about additional JVs or any other projects?

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

The relationship has been great so far. We think they're best in class as well as the other partners that we have. We like South Carolina. We like the Sunbelt. We like Woodfield. Again, we're always looking, but each project has to stand on its own.

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

Okay. You have been actively looking, and you just haven't found any great opportunities, or has it just-

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

We're always actively looking. We have an attractiveness matrix that we go through, and we're always looking.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Yeah.

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

Okay.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

We don't have anything we have committed to, yet. Otherwise, you would know about it.

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

Okay. With Amber Ridge, the waterfall split, what is the return on that based off of? Is it cost of developing the homes?

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

It's how much money that we receive and when. It's profit and interest received, and it depends on when we get all the funds. When all the funds come in, then we determine what the waterfall is at that time.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

It's an IRR off of the principal balance that we've provided. Isn't that right, David?

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Yep.

Stephen Farrell
Investment Management Associate, Oppenheimer

Okay. That's the only questions I have. It's short from me. I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but I'm sure you'll keep his legacy on and through FRPH, so.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Thanks, Stephen.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, to ask a question, please press star and one on your touch-tone phone. We'll take our next question from Bill Chen with Rhizome Partners. Please go ahead.

Bill Chen
Managing Partner, Rhizome Partners

Hi, guys.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Hey, Bill.

Bill Chen
Managing Partner, Rhizome Partners

You know, I just wanna start out by saying, you know, please accept my deepest condolences for your loss. You know, FRP means a lot to me because it is my largest position. So, it's somewhat personal to me, and I've gotten to know the Baker family and David and John Milton. You guys are all wonderful people. Also just wanna say, that's a heck of a eulogy for Ted. You know, one day will someone write an obituary like that for me. You know, I just wanna start out by saying that. But, you know, a couple questions on the.

Given that the one-year Treasury is at about two, almost 2% right now, any kind of interest. I know that the cash is always going into projects and then coming out of projects. But is there any interest in putting that cash into six-month or 12-month Treasuries? You know, at today's 12-month Treasury rate, I mean, that's about $2 million of interest income a year.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Yeah, Bill, you are right on point, and your intuition is, I don't know if it's good, but it's at least the same as ours. We have. You know, we had been invested in bonds, and as they rolled off the money market rates were just, you know, basically nothing. Then, as we saw the two-year and then the six-month Treasury rates increase, obviously we wanted to get something more than, you know, a few basis points for our money. We've been looking at our capital needs and laddering our Treasury investments accordingly. We are generating more interest income off of, you know, these Treasury purchases than we had been getting when we were just in money markets.

I hope you're happy with that. I know I am.

Bill Chen
Managing Partner, Rhizome Partners

Yeah, no. I mean yes, no. I mean, it certainly is. I think like a 12-month duration or some sort of ladder, and then that's perfect use of capital. I think even going out to two years is fine. I think, you know, my general view is that in a risk-off environment where we can put that capital to work, that, you know, historically these treasuries do better. So I'm glad that you guys are already on top of it and already, you know, allocating it into a ladder. So that's fantastic. My other question would be. I'll keep my questions short today.

I remember in 2020, you had mentioned that, kind of right around this time in 2020 when the world looked a lot more uncertain than it does today, that you're looking to deploy capital into kind of double-digit cap rate opportunities if the market got really choppy. The Fed did what it did. I think the market, you know, cap rates got really tight and a lot of those opportunities went away. Are you guys starting to see any opportunities that are starting to kind of arise from the increase in rates from just a little bit more volatility in the markets?

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

I'll start, Bill. David deVilliers . Hope you're well. I think it's probably a little bit too soon. People know that we're always looking, and we obviously have the capital available to move pretty quickly. As John had said, we're pretty nimble, but we haven't seen anything yet.

Bill Chen
Managing Partner, Rhizome Partners

Thank you for the follow-up. You know, my final question would just be on the warehouses. Is there a thought on preferring to develop build-to-suits for more kind of mission-critical tenants? You know, I've been inside some warehouses where the tenant has invested heavy CapEx, and it doesn't make sense for them to move. Any thoughts on that?

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

I think we have a build to suit currently under construction. David can speak to a little more color on that. I think we'd love build to suits under the right circumstances, but they have to be the right circumstances.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Yes, John's spot on. I mean, when we get involved in build to suits, the buildings have to not only serve, you know, they have to serve us in a future use as well, because these build to suits are not purchase programs. They're long-term lease programs. The design of the shell and that sort of thing is something that has to be flexible. Just because you have a single tenant in a 100,000 sq ft building, if they left, we could take that building all the way down to 10,000 sq ft units. We build these buildings for the long term and the flexibility. We don't get too heavy into using our dollars for their tenant improvements. We'll give them a specific amount, and that's all we're gonna give them.

Bill Chen
Managing Partner, Rhizome Partners

Got you. Well, thank you. That's all the questions I have today.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

Thanks, Bill.

David deVilliers, Jr.
President, FRP Holdings

Thank you, Bill.

Operator

It appears that we have no further questions at this time.

John Baker III
CFO and Treasurer, FRP Holdings

All right. Well, thank you so much for your continued support and interest in this company, and we will talk to you all soon. Thank you.

Operator

This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.

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