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Earnings Call: Q4 2017

Jan 24, 2018

Speaker 1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the General Electric 4th Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. My name is Ellen, and I will be your conference coordinator today. If at any time during the call, you require assistance, please press star followed by 0, and a conference coordinator will be happy to assist you. If you experience issues with the slides refreshing or there appears to be delays in the slide advancement, please hit 5 on your keyboard to refresh.

As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the program over to your host for today's conference, Matt Cribbons, Vice President of Investor Communications. Please proceed.

Speaker 2

Good morning, and welcome to today's webcast. I'm here with our Chairman and CEO, John Flannery CFO, Jamie Miller and GE Power's CEO, Russell Stokes. Before we start, I would like to remind you that the press release, presentation and supplemental have been available since earlier today on our Investor website at www.ge.com/investor. Please note some of the statements we are making today are forward looking and are based on our best view of the world and our businesses as we see them today. As described in our SEC filings and on our website, those elements can change as the world changes.

And now, I'll turn the call over to John.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt. Before I start in on the quarter, I'd like to take a moment to step back and review where we stand and the progress we've made in just a short time. You've heard a lot from us since I became CEO in August. I recognize that the news we've shared in that time, specifically around Power and Insurance, has been tough. We're moving very quickly to reshape this company and ensure that GE matters as much in the next century as it has in the past one.

And as I take stock today, I feel good about the progress we're making and especially good about the strength of our team. We have a long way to go, but the mission is clear and we're moving forward together as one team with a single purpose. The back bone of our recovery is stronger execution. Back in November, we laid out a new vision for the future, the foundation of which was improved execution, an obsession with cash generation and capital allocation, a more focused digital and additive strategy and a rapid reshaping of the portfolio to become a simpler, more nimble organization. Today, I'm proud to report that this organization is responding and we're beginning to show progress against each of our key initiatives.

The teams have stepped up and embraced the challenges. And in this quarter, we're beginning to see the signs of what they can accomplish when called upon to pursue common goals and drive improvement. We have a lot to work on, but we also have a lot to work with. The team and I are as convinced as ever that the strength of our core businesses remains intact. We have valuable franchises with leadership positions in key global markets.

And we have a path ahead that will create the best outcomes for our customers, great opportunities for our team, and will create value for our shareholders through stronger execution and more disciplined operational performance. As I said, the results this quarter demonstrate some of the early progress we're seeing across our key initiatives. In healthcare, we introduced 26 new products in 2017, and we're especially proud of the new Cenograph Pristina mammography system. It's the industry's 1st patient assisted mammography device, and it's indicative of the kind of innovation and investments we're making to improve healthcare and save lives. It's also resulted in significant market share gain and profit margin gain.

In Aviation, I'm excited by the progress we're making in Additives. In the quarter, we announced the world's largest laser powder additive manufacturing machine. It will print in a build envelope of 1 meter cubed, which is suitable for jet engine structural components. Our additive capabilities are truly game changing, and we to increase the pace of additive utilization to drive higher margins and innovation across our businesses in 2018. We shipped 119 units in the quarter and 294 in the year, while our backlog in the 4th quarter was up 44% from last year.

Additive is positioned to breakeven in 2018 and we believe there's a tremendous potential here. While the power market remains challenging, we've made progress in rightsizing the organization, taking out $800,000,000 of costs and rationalizing our manufacturing footprint. We continue to see cost opportunities here and are laser focused on achieving them in 2018. The team is up for the challenge and is focusing above all else on delivering for our customers. At Baker Hughes, the team is demonstrating disciplined execution in successfully capturing synergies through the integration, and the business has a clear path for profit growth in 2018.

I'm also pleased with Digital's performance in the Q4 as we refocused our strategy on our core markets. Predix powered orders were up 41 percent and we did $1,400,000,000 for the year, up 150%. The team is driving customer outcomes with APM, OPM and ServiceMax. We have only penetrated 8% of the installed base to date. So there's a lot of opportunity here and we're aggressively going after it.

With respect to our key operating priorities, let's start with cash. Cash in the 4th quarter was significantly better than we planned, about $2,500,000,000 higher. About half of this was due to the timing of progress payments and the other half was a result of better execution. As you recall from our discussion in November, cash has been our number one focus and also in the minds of our investors, given the weak performance we had through the 1st 3 quarters. The results this quarter reflect more discipline and execution.

We're focused on improving our visibility, execution and tenacity on cash. It's a similar story on costs. We came into the year with a structural cost out target of 1,000,000,000 dollars We raised that in the Q3 to $1,500,000,000 and we delivered a little higher than that at $1,700,000,000 for the year. We have strong execution and discipline on costs. We're targeting an additional $2,000,000,000 out in 2018.

In addition to that, we're particularly focused on product cost, attacking cost of quality, reducing manufacturing overhead and accelerating the implementation of additive design and manufacturing. We are confident that we'll deliver on that goal. The team is also highly active in working towards simplifying the portfolio. We currently have over 20 dispositions in active discussions, and you'll begin to see tangible results in the coming quarters. We ended the year with $11,000,000,000 of GE Industrial cash.

There is no change to the capital allocation plan previously communicated on November 13. We plan to increase our cash balance in 2018 and exit the year with $15,000,000,000 plus of cash. We will make a voluntary $6,000,000,000 debt funded contribution to our principal pension plan, and we will maintain a disciplined financial policy targeting 2.5 times net debt to EBITDA and A1P1 short term ratings. We're on track to shrink the Board from 18 to 12, including 3 new directors. We expect to be in position to announce the new Board prior to the proxy statement.

So at the overall company level, we're intensely focused on operational rigor, cash and capital allocation and deep cost reduction. Our first priority is running the company well. As I mentioned last week, at the same time, we're reviewing the best structure of the company to maximize the long term potential of our businesses and deliver the best value for our customers and employees. We have a team dedicated to considering all the details and looking at the options that will deliver the best value for our shareholders and the most attractive jobs for our employees. The truly enduring strength of GE lies in our people.

There will be a GE in the future, but it will look different than it does today. We will update you when the team has made further progress. I'm very pleased that we're beginning to show these tangible signs of progress, but I'm also cognizant this is only the beginning. 2018 is a critical year for us, and we intend to continue demonstrating in the coming quarters that our new approach is working and the organization is changing. And with that, let me turn to the quarter.

Clearly, 2017 was a challenging year for us and Q4 had a lot of moving pieces. We had significant charges in the quarter for insurance, tax reform and planned portfolio moves. These charges totaled $1.49 of EPS. Excluding those charges, adjusted EPS was $1.05 at the low end of the EPS guide we gave you for the year. Issues in the quarter were mostly localized to power.

The power market continues to be challenging. Power earnings were down 88% in the quarter driven by the market, certain execution misses and other charges. This is an important franchise going through a difficult period. The team is working with amazing dedication and resilience and they have the support of the entire GE company behind them. I've asked to give you an update on the quarter and take you through our action plan on the business in a few minutes.

Strong results in Aviation and Healthcare continued in the Q4 and for the full year. In the Q4, Aviation grew margins 40 basis points, while shipping 202 LEAP engines. Healthcare grew revenue 6% and earnings 13%. These two businesses continue to be premier leadership franchises in their industries. Cash in the quarter was 7,800,000,000 dollars We had strong performances in aviation and healthcare.

And we reduced structural cost an additional $500,000,000 in the 4th quarter with good performance in power and corporate. 2017 is behind us and the team is focused on delivering in 2018. With respect to orders, 4th quarter orders totaled $35,000,000,000 up 3% reported, but down 5% organically. Equipment and service orders were both down 5% organically. Jamie will walk you through the drivers by business.

Overall, the decline in equipment orders was driven by power and renewables, partially offset by strength in healthcare and transportation. Service orders were strong in renewables, aviation and healthcare, but were offset by softness in power and transportation. Backlog finished the year at $341,000,000,000 up $13,000,000,000 versus last quarter. And now I'll walk you through some market highlights on the right. Power remains challenging.

We expect the overall market for new gas orders in 2017 to be less than 35 gigawatts and we're planning for it to be down again next year. Long term, gas is going to remain an important component of power generation. We have a valuable asset and generate 1 third of the world's electricity. The aviation industry continues to experience strong growth. Global revenue passenger kilometers grew 7.7 year to date with strong growth both domestically and internationally.

Air freight volumes have been very strong as well, growing almost 10% October year to date. Load factors globally remain above 80% demonstrating strength in the sector. In Healthcare, the U. S. Markets and European markets are stable, seeing mid single digit growth in 2017.

Emerging markets remain strong with double digit growth. Renewables onshore continues to see strong growth, but there

Speaker 4

Renewables onshore continues to see strong growth, but there is significant price pressure across the industry. In the U.

Speaker 3

S, we saw a slowdown in market activity pending the resolution of the tax bill, which was signed in December. The U. S. Market continues to be very healthy, but we expect to see pricing pressures as the impact of tax reform is digested in the wind tax equity markets. Next, let me walk through revenue, margins and costs.

For the quarter, segment revenues were $32,000,000,000 up 3% reported and down 6% organic. The difference was driven mainly by the impact of the Baker Hughes acquisition. Power, oil and gas and transportation all had negative organic revenues on lower volumes. Renewables organic was up on continued repower strength and healthcare saw broad strength as well. For the year, revenues were $116,000,000,000 up 3% and flat organic.

Industrial margins were 11.2% in the quarter, down 5.60 basis points. You really have 2 camps here. Power and oil and gas margins were down sharply. Industrial margins were up 2 2 presented a plan to grow margins 150 basis points to 18% over 3 years. The healthcare team delivered on that a year early, hitting 18% in 2017 and will continue to grow margins in 2018.

Aviation had an outstanding year on margins, increasing margins 100 basis points while delivering 4 59 LEAP engines. As I mentioned earlier, we've made good progress on structural costs, taking out $500,000,000 in the Q4 $1,700,000,000 for the year and we have good momentum going into 2018. And now I'll turn it over to Jamie.

Speaker 5

Thanks, John. Before I start with consolidated results, I want to remind you of some of the changes to our reporting metrics in 2018 that we discussed in November. 1st, on EPS, this is the last quarter that we report industrial plus verticals EPS. In addition to GAAP earnings, we'll report an adjusted EPS number, which is total continuing operations excluding industrial gains, restructuring and non operating pension expense. On cash, we'll move to reporting free cash flow as opposed to CFOA.

And lastly, two changes related to the adoption of the new revenue recognition accounting As of January 1, 2018, our contract asset balances will be adjusted to reflect the new standard resulting in a lower asset balance and lower earnings going forward. This doesn't change anything related to our cash balances or cash flows. We will provide restated 2016 2017 quarterly information on a basis consistent with the new accounting. We're still in the process of finalizing the newly restated financials and we'll provide them to you shortly after we file the 10 ks. Related to the accounting standard change is also a move to reporting remaining performance obligations or RPO.

RPO is a new GAAP measure and we will report RPO in the Q1 once it's implemented. Additionally, you may have noticed that our earnings press release has a new format. We believe it's more substantive and more easily digestible. We will continue to relook at all of our communications formats and data that we provide to investors with the goal to continue to increase standardization

Speaker 4

and transparency, so you'll likely see more changes as

Speaker 5

we move throughout 2018. So you'll likely see more changes as we move throughout 2018. Next, on consolidated results, 4th quarter revenues were $31,400,000,000 down 5%. For the quarter, industrial plus verticals EPS was negative $1.23 down from $0.46 in 4th quarters 2016. Included in the negative $1.23 was $1.49 of charges driven by the insurance related adjustments we discussed last week, the impacts of tax reform and portfolio related actions we're taking in industrial.

Excluding these items, industrial plus vertical EPS was $0.27 in the quarter, still down significantly year over year driven principally by the Power segment. Operating EPS was negative $1.11 This incorporates other continuing GE Capital activity, which I'll cover more on the GE Capital page. Continuing EPS of of negative $1.15 includes the impact of non operating pension and net EPS of negative $1.13 includes the results of discontinued operations. Next on taxes, the GE Industrial tax rate was negative 576% the quarter, reflecting a tax charge on a pre tax loss. This includes charges in the quarter related to U.

S. Tax reform and excluding tax reform and industrial gains restructuring and 4th quarter other charges, our tax rate was negative 7% for the quarter and positive 15% for the year. On the right side of the segment results, industrial op profit was down 33%. The decline year over year was driven principally by Power and Oil and Gas and partially offset by Aviation, Healthcare and Corporate better year over year. As John mentioned, we took another $500,000,000 of structural cost out in the quarter and I'll cover the individual segment dynamics separately.

On the next page, our reported cash from operating activities was $7,000,000,000 in the quarter. That represents GE cash flow including 100 percent of Baker Hughes CFOA. We did not receive a dividend from GE Capital in the quarter and this is in line with our prior communications and we don't expect to receive a dividend from GE Capital for the foreseeable future. Our industrial CFOA was $7,400,000,000 in the quarter, adjusted for 400 dollars of U. S.

Principal pension plan funding and deal taxes, and this is down $800,000,000 from the prior year. With Baker Hughes GE on a dividend basis and excluding the Baker Hughes GE CFOA, our industrial CFOA was 7,800,000,000 dollars For the year, our total industrial CFOA adjusted for Baker Hughes GE was $9,700,000,000 This came in above our full year guidance of $7,000,000,000 driven primarily by better than expected progress collections and contract asset performance. The Aviation and Healthcare businesses turned in strong performances and the cash performance in Power was in line with expectations. On the right hand side, I have some color on the components of cash activity in 4th quarter. First, working capital generated a total positive flow of $3,900,000,000 principally driven by better inventory flows from higher shipments and higher than expected progress flows of about $700,000,000 This was partially offset by an increase in receivables consistent with our sequentially higher sales in the 4th quarter.

Contract assets were flat during the quarter on favorable cash inflows from lower CSA contract asset growth offset by cash usage from growth in deferred inventory in power and renewables. All other operating cash flow, including deferred taxes, was a $6,000,000,000 inflow, driven primarily by non cash expenses such as held for sale charges, the impact of tax reform and amortization of intangible assets. For the year, we generated $5,600,000,000 of free cash flow with an 81% conversion rate. There's no change to our 2018 guidance of $6,000,000,000 to $7,000,000,000 of free cash flow. However, in 2018, we do expect the challenging power markets to continue and potentially be worse than we expected.

Additionally, the accelerated progress collections in the Q4 will present some headwinds to our free cash flow, particularly in the Q1, which is always our lowest cash quarter. We are planning for a negative free cash flow quarter in Q1. We remain focused on our operating rigor and execution on cash with compensation heavily tied to cash performance and we're evaluating incremental restructuring at Power. We will update you on this as decisions are made. Next is the cash balance walk for 2017.

I'm not going to go through all of this, but you can see the detail on the left hand side of the page. Excluding Baker Hughes GE, we started the year with $8,400,000,000 of cash and ended at 11 point $2,000,000,000 We're focused on improving the strength of our balance sheet with a disciplined capital allocation framework. During the quarter, we executed $13,000,000,000 of new operating credit lines, which provide greater security and flexibility as we execute our transition throughout 20 18. We expect to end 2018 with more than $15,000,000,000 of cash. Before I cover the segments, I'll go through the other items for the quarter.

First, on industrial restructuring and other items, we incurred $0.08 of charges. $0.05 of that was related to GE excluding oil and gas and was primarily driven by the cost reduction actions we're taking at corporate, power and renewables. We incurred an additional $0.03 related to our oil and gas segment, which represents our portion of Baker Hughes GE's restructuring, most of which was synergy related. 2nd, as we covered at our November 13 investor meeting, we're taking actions to focus the portfolio. We announced our intent to exit several businesses and some of these decisions have resulted in charges as we move the assets to held for sale.

We incurred a $0.10 charge related to lighting and $0.06 related to 2 platform exits in aviation. In addition to the held for sale impact, we recorded a $0.02 charge for an incremental goodwill impairment in Power Conversion. As we began our portfolio actions, it became clear that the value of Power Conversion could not support the remaining goodwill, which has now been fully written off. As we disclosed last week, we incurred $0.91 of charges related to GE Capital's insurance business and related actions we are taking to shrink certain GE Capital businesses. We also recorded a $0.40 charge related to U.

S. Tax reform. I'll cover these items on the next two pages. On the bottom right of the page, just given all the moving pieces, I'll walk you through a reconciliation of EPS. You'll remember that in October, we provided full year guidance of $1.05 to $1.10 which excluded insurance and GE Capital related actions.

It excluded portfolio related charges and also tax reform. So starting at the top, we earned $0.77 of EPS through the Q3. In the Q4, we reported industrial plus verticals EPS of negative $1.23 Adjusting for the items that were excluded from our guide, $0.91 related to insurance and GE Capital actions, dollars 0.18 related to portfolio and $0.40 related to tax reform, our 4th quarter adjusted EPS was 0 point 2 $7 This results in a total year adjusted EPS number of $1.05 at the low end of the range we provided. As we mentioned last week, we recorded a pre tax charge of $9,500,000,000 and an after tax charge of $6,200,000,000 The related statutory capital contributions will be approximately $15,000,000,000 which will be funded over the next 7 years. We estimate that our 2018 funding requirement will be approximately $3,000,000,000 At this point, we estimate the annual contributions from 2019 to 2024 to be approximately 2019 to 2024 to be approximately $2,000,000,000 There was no impact to our ratings and we don't expect this to impact our 2018 capital allocation plan.

We're taking actions to make GE Capital more focused, including exiting most of Energy Financial Services and reducing the size of industrial finance. As a result, we recorded non cash charges of $1,800,000,000 for impairments at EFS in the quarter. We expect GE Capital continuing earnings in 2018 2019 to be about breakeven. That could be higher or lower depending on the timing of asset sales. And post the actions in 2020, we expect GE Capital earnings to be about 500,000,000 dollars as excess debt runs off.

We also do not expect dividends for the foreseeable future from GE Capital. GE Capital ended the year with $31,000,000,000 of cash and liquidity. We also expect to generate incremental cash of approximately $15,000,000,000 from planned asset reduction actions over the next 2 years and consequently don't expect to issue debt until 2020, which is a year later than previously communicated. These actions will provide sufficient liquidity to continue to fund the insurance contributions. I also want to note that we've been notified by the SEC that they're investigating the process leading to the insurance reserve increase and the 4th quarter charge as well as GE's revenue recognition and controls for long term service agreements.

We are cooperating fully with the investigation, which is in very early stages. Next on U. S. Tax reform. Since the insurance call last week, the impact from U.

S. Tax reform increased slightly to $3,500,000,000 from $3,400,000,000 as we finalized our review. The industrial impact was $3,700,000,000 partly offset by a benefit in GE Capital of 200,000,000 dollars Of the $3,500,000,000 charge, dollars 1,200,000,000 relates to the transition tax on overseas earnings and $2,200,000,000 is driven by the revaluation of our deferred tax positions and the write off of existing credits that will no longer be available for use under the new law. We expect the cash impact related to the transition to be modest over the next several years as existing tax attributes, both credits and losses, will largely offset the payments required. Longer term, we expect our industrial tax rate to be in the low to mid 20s excluding disposition taxes.

This is higher than the rate we've experienced over the last few years due to the lower benefits from tax credit loss transactions compared to recent history. We expect our tax rate over the next couple of years to be in the mid to high teens. Overall, we think tax reform is a real positive for U. S. Companies.

On Power, I'll give you a quick overview of the quarter and then Russell will walk you through more detail in a few pages. Orders of $10,200,000,000 were down 25% with equipment down 24% and services down 26%. Revenues of $9,400,000,000 were down 15%. Our profit for the quarter was $260,000,000 which was significantly below prior year and below our expectations. We incurred charges for several items and had year over year headwinds that negatively impacted the segment versus Q4 of 2016 by about $850,000,000 Adjusting for these items, the business was still well below expectations.

Russell will take you through the market and volume dynamics as well as the operational and execution issues we experienced. Next on Renewables, orders of $3,300,000,000 were down 2%. Onshore orders were $2,800,000,000 down 10% driven by equipment being down 19%, offset partially by services up 38%, reflecting the strong U. S. Repowering market.

U. S. Equipment orders were 6%, offset by lower international orders. In total, we booked orders for 11 65 turbines, which was down 2%, but with megawatts, it was up 2% at 2.8 gigawatts. This dynamic reflects significant price pressure in the quarter.

We've seen price pressure increase during the year due to a competitive U. S. Market and as the international markets have been gradually moving to using an auction bid process. Revenues were $2,900,000,000 up 15% reported and up 9% on an organic basis. Onshore wind was up 5% with equipment down 26%, offset by strong repowering service, which was up 3x.

Operating profit was up 25% reported and 11% organically. This was driven by repowering volume and cost out, offset partially by continuing unfavorable price. The renewables markets remain very competitive, particularly in onshore wind. The onshore wind market continues to see strong megawatt growth, but pricing is a significant headwind. Pricing for the total year was down about 10%, mostly driven by onshore turbines.

The business is focused on cost out across all product lines. For Q1 2018, we expect op profit down significantly year over year, mainly driven by lower turbine shipments in the U. S. And continuous price pressure in the market. On Aviation, orders in the quarter totaled $8,000,000,000 up 11%.

Equipment orders grew 2%. Commercial engine orders were down 1% at $1,800,000,000 and services orders grew 17% on higher commercial spares rate of $27,400,000 a day, up 36%. Revenues in the quarter were flat at $7,200,000,000 Equipment revenues were down 6% on fewer legacy engine shipments, partially offset by higher LEAP engine shipments. Aviation shipped 202 LEAP engines this quarter, up 158 units versus last year. Services revenue grew 6% on higher commercial spares and military.

Operating profit of $1,800,000,000 was up 2% driven by favorable service and military volume and mix, cost productivity and value gap, partly offset by higher LEAP shipments. Operating margins expanded 40 basis points despite delivering a record number of LEAP engines in the quarter. Aviation had another strong year, delivering 4 59 LEAP engines with improving cost positions and margin expansion of 100 basis points. The LEAP engine continues to perform to specifications for both reliability and performance. In 2018, we expect continued solid RPK growth despite rising fuel costs and high single digit growth in GE CFM shop visits.

We're on track to meet our delivery commitment of 1200 LEAP engines in 2018 with a production volume of more than 2,000 engines by 2020. Military is on track for mid single digit growth. The team is executing well on cost out and is committed to holding margins flat despite the steep leap ramp. Healthcare orders of $5,900,000,000 were up 9% versus last year. Geographically, organic orders were up 7% in the U.

S, 7% in Europe and emerging markets grew 11%, driven by China up by 9% and the Middle East up by 35%. On a product basis, Healthcare Systems orders grew 9% on an organic basis driven by ultrasound higher by 6% and imaging up 15% with good performance in CT and mammography. Life Sciences grew 4% organically driven by Bioprocess up 2% and Core Imaging up 4%. For the year, Life Sciences orders grew 9% organically with Bioprocess up 12% and Core Imaging 7%. Revenues in the quarter of $5,400,000,000 grew 4% organically with HCS higher by 4% and Life Sciences up 5%.

Operating profit was up 13%, including a small gain on the disposition of non strategic operation in Healthcare Digital. Excluding the gain, op profit grew 10% organically, driven by volume and productivity, partly offset by price and program investments. Margins expanded by 130 basis points reported. The Healthcare business had a strong year in 2017. Underlying market dynamics are expected to be relatively similar in 2018 and the Healthcare team has invested in the right programs while improving operational rigor, which we expect to continue to drive strong results as we move throughout the year.

Next on oil and gas, Baker Hughes GE released its financial results this morning at 6:45 am and Lorenzo and his team will hold their earnings call with investors today at 9:30. Orders were $5,800,000,000 up 73% reported and down 9% organically. On a combined pro form a basis, orders were down 2 Revenues were $5,800,000,000 up 69% reported and down 13% organically and on a pro form a basis, revenues were down 3%. Operating profit was $307,000,000 down 25% reported and down about 75% in our legacy oil and gas business. This was primarily driven by the longer cycle oilfield equipment and turbomachinery businesses.

The business realized $81,000,000 of synergies in the quarter and $119,000,000 since the in the quarter and $119,000,000 since the deal closed in mid-twenty 17. During the quarter, cash distributions from Baker Hughes GE totaled $433,000,000 including the share repurchases and the quarterly dividend of 129 dollars Lorenzo and Brian will provide more details on their call today. At Transportation, orders of $2,100,000,000 were up 56% on low comparisons. Equipment orders were $1,100,000,000 which included orders for 3.58 total locomotives versus 0 in Q4 2016. Mining orders were up 3x from last year.

Services orders of $1,000,000,000 were down 23%, primarily by the non repeat of a large Class 1 mods order in the Q4 of 2016. Revenues of $1,000,000,000 were down 20%, with equipment down 37%, with locomotive volume down from 100 and units to 79, partially offset by mining wheels up 3x. Services revenue was down 3% or $16,000,000 driven by lower transactional volume. Op profit was down 40% driven by locomotive volume, partially offset by mining volume and continued cost controls and restructuring. In 2018, we expect locomotive shipments to be about 2 50 units, mostly driven by international deliveries.

The team is continuing to operate the business with rigor and is actively engaged as we position for possible disposition. On Current and Lighting, revenues for Current and Lighting were down 7% with Current up 9% and the legacy Lighting business down 21 percent. Op profit was $50,000,000 up from $3,000,000 last year. Finally, I'll cover GE Capital. On the page, I provided both reported net income and adjusted net income.

The adjusted net income column excludes the effects of the insurance charges, the related EFS impairments and tax reform. Since we covered those topics earlier, I'll talk you through the adjusted column, which reflects the core operations of GE Capital. The verticals core earnings were 122,000,000 dollars in the quarter, down 74% from prior year, driven primarily by higher impairments in EFS and lower tax benefits and base earnings, partially offset by higher gains. Other continuing operations generated $1,000,000,000 in earnings in the quarter, driven by $1,600,000,000 of tax benefits, partially offset by $297,000,000 of excess interest expense, dollars 123,000,000 of HQ operating expenses and restructuring costs and 184,000,000 dollars of preferred equity costs. Discontinued operations generated earnings of $182,000,000 primarily driven by gains associated with the GE Capital exit plan.

GE Capital ended the quarter with including $31,000,000,000 of cash and short term investments, largely in line with the Q3. Now I'll hand it over to Russell to cover Power.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Jamie. On November 13, I shared with you that we had a significant opportunity to improve the way we run the Power business. I spoke of fixing operating misses, the prioritization of cash performance in line with a focus on income. And I outlined our return to driving a more holistic services capture of dollars per installed base versus pursuing upgrades and productivity in our contractual portfolio. I am confident in what I said in November and I'll talk in more detail about what we're doing to move the business forward.

But let me first walk you through the results for the Q4 and the impact on total year. Starting with the view on orders, our orders in the quarter were down 25%. Equipment orders of $5,300,000,000 were down 24%, driven by GPS being down 63%, primarily on lower combined cycle turnkey scope. In the quarter, gas turbine orders were up 1 unit at 24 versus 23 units in prior year, with the increase driven by 9H units versus 8 in the prior year. Total year gas turbine orders were 75 units, which is down 9 versus prior year.

Aero units were also lower with 3 units ordered in the quarter versus 24 last year, with total year units at 46, down 33 versus prior year. In December, we noted that the market was softer than lowest gigawatt year since 2,002. We announced a 12,000 person reduction and a commitment to right size our global manufacturing footprint. We believe that total gigawatts awarded will be even softer than we thought in December coming in below 35 gigawatts in 2017 and still anticipate though roughly a 50% share of the market in 2017. We are working to accelerate additional restructuring efforts in 2018 to support a market that could be as low as 30 gigawatts.

Service orders were $4,900,000,000 down 26% on lower AGP orders, which were down 59% at 24 units versus 58. This was partially offset by higher grid solution services, which was up 54%. In the quarter, power revenues were down 15%. Equipment revenues of 4 $500,000,000 were down 15% on lower aero units. Aero unit shipments were 3 versus 31 last year accounting for all of the decline.

Total year aero shipments were 40 versus 95 last year. Aero units, particularly our fast power TM units are typically convertible within the quarter. These units serve customers in difficult geographies and usually require some form of financing arrangements. We have transactions in the pipeline we expect to close in the first half of the year, but we believe that the 2018 aero shipments will be in the 30 to 40 unit range. We shipped 39 gas turbines in the quarter, 4 more than prior year, including 8 shipments versus 9 last year.

This would put total year gas turbine shipments at 102, in line with our estimate of 100 to 105 unit range. In 2018, we expect shipments to be 60 to 70 units with 15 H units in that count. Services revenues were $4,900,000,000 down 16% on lower CSAs and upgrades, down 17% and outages down 10%. AGPs in the quarter totaled 25 versus 62 last year. This puts our AGP shipments at 80 versus total year at the lower end of the 80 to 85 range we provided in November.

For 2018, we expect about 40 AGPs. Opprofit of $260,000,000 was down 88 percent or $1,900,000,000 and significantly below our expectations. Let me walk the $1,900,000,000 decrease. As Jamie mentioned, there were about $850,000,000 of charges, slow moving and obsolete inventory in Power Services, Gas, Power Systems, and Power Conversion accounted for a little bit less than half of the amount. The remainder was primarily comprised of the non repeat of favorable FX from Q4 of 2016, the absence of water income, which was sold in 3Q 2017, a litigation settlement and the bankruptcy of 1 of our distributors.

Market and volume contributed about 550,000,000 dollars of the year over year decline, primarily driven by aero unit shipments and the power services upgrade volume, as I just discussed. The remaining $500,000,000 of decline was related to execution and operations. There was about 450,000,000 dollars of cost overruns in our project business, primarily in GPS, grid and power conversion. The issues included liquidated damages, logistic costs and unfavorable costs on turnkey projects that were underwritten several years ago. The remaining decline was driven by lower pricing, higher field costs and an unfavorable mix in our transactional service business, but this was partially offset by better execution on base costs by roughly $230,000,000 Our services transactional business, including Alstom, saw a significant decline in margin in Q4 2017 versus prior year.

These margin declines are consistent with what we've been experiencing throughout the year related to pricing and cost execution and highlights the opportunity we have in improving our holistic focus on dollar per installed base entitlement. Scott Strazik has been put in the role of Power Services' CEO and he and the team are intensely focused on improving our outage penetration margin rate performance. I'll provide more details on that on the next page. As I mentioned earlier, for the year, the markets were softer than expected. Deals are taking longer to close and are very competitive.

We're expecting the markets to be less than the 35 gigawatts in 2017 and we're preparing our restructuring plans for a market that could be as low as 30 gigawatts in 2018. We are proud of the gas turbine technology. It is operating in line with performance guarantees. While we've had some issues related to commissioning at certain sites, we readily address them and have commenced working on supply chain and project organizations to address volume ramp issues and things considered normal learning curve process. We have 23 units installed and over 70,000 hours of experience with all of the units performing to specifications and guarantees.

Next, I'd like to give you some visibility into the progress we are making in rewiring the power business. Since taking the role, I'm encouraged by the continued support of our customers who look to us to deliver outcomes that allow them to deliver for their customers. I am absolutely committed to the operational excellence and disciplines required to deliver for them as well as our investors and want to reiterate how we are moving forward. Our first priority is reducing our structure and footprint. In 2017, we took out $800,000,000 in structural costs with $230,000,000 of cost out in 4th quarter, achieved with a strict focus on our controllable cost pools.

In addition, we reduced our manufacturing and repair footprint by 15 sites, in line with our stated goal of a 30 percent reduction by 2020. We are well on track for the $1,000,000,000 of cost out we previously committed for 2018 and are assessing further opportunities to align our cost structure for a softer market reality. The need to interrogate all areas of our operations and drive meaningful results is very clear to me. This is why we created our operational excellence team with a group of cross functional dedicated sprint teams working in war rooms and building digital scorecards as a single source of truth, with critical Xs aligned to critical business Y outcomes. To accomplish this, we must continue to invest in our IT infrastructure.

We started 2017 74 ERPs, reducing them by 10 during the year with a successful major implementation in our Greenville factory. Still, this leaves us with 64 ERP systems and far too much system complexity, which is why we're focused on reducing the number of total ERPs by 80% by 2020, giving our employees more timely and accurate information to track and deliver critical business and customer outcomes. In the quarter, these teams demonstrated progress in our cash generation disciplines, contributing to the favorable cash performance for the company in the quarter. The leadership and focus on material management and collections performance, including past dues and project billings, allowed us to deliver on our working capital commitments despite lower than expected new orders. We have established clear performance goals for the Power business and are executing clear place to achieve them.

For example, we believe that we can improve inventory turns by 2x by 2020 from the current 4 turns we see in 2018, even in a lower volume world through a great focus on our material management processes, a commitment to lean and the liquidation of existing finished goods. This requires a $1,000,000,000 reduction in our inventory balances in 2018 and the teams are already driving detailed plans by site to get there. To improve margins, we launched Sprint Teams focused on product execution with a laser focus on attacking schedule and cost overruns. In 2017, our grid business moved all schedules and costs into a centralized digital application. We linked all execution and billing milestones to the ERP and ensured cross functional teams were aligned with clarity of accountability and with the visibility to monitor progress or performance deviations.

I'm confident that we can inject these same capabilities into GPS in 2018. We've launched dedicated team efforts on transactional services to increase our performance around holistic dollar per installed base penetration. In the Q4, we conducted an outage blitz by region to and account for all outages on our technology that we were not yet tracking. As a result, we improved our visibility into the outages in our transactional fleet, up from 28% in October to 70% today. We believe this highlights an entitlement opportunity that is $1,000,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 higher than our 2017 run rate.

We've organized our commercial teams and compensation incentives to deliver on both the contractual and transactional portfolio. We have identified additional leadership changes that we felt were necessary and have executed on those accordingly. The services leadership team is new with a more focused alignment. Our supply chain leader is new, reporting directly to me, and we are in the process of transitioning our leader in Gas Power Systems. As I've said before, 2018 will be another challenging year.

Renewables penetration will continue to increase and challenge the gas markets, but I fundamentally believe gas power will remain an important contributor to the energy mix going forward. We are privileged to have the world's largest installed base and our CSA utilization is performing as expected. While we saw a sharp reduction in upgrade this year driven by the IPP capacity markets, extended service intervals and market overcapacity, we are improving our commercial intensity and execution in the transactional outage market, which we've underwhelmed in the past. As a Power business, we are focused on the things we can control: reducing structure and manufacturing footprint, improving cash conversion, expanding product, project and service margins, maximizing services dollars per install base and strengthening our leadership and culture. We have a challenging road ahead, but the challenges we face are fixable.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Russell. I'm going to wrap up with the 2018 framework. There's no change to our industrial EPS or free cash flow guidance. Capital earnings will be lower due to the portfolio actions we're taking. Aviation and Healthcare are well positioned to deliver in 2018.

Power markets continue to be tough, but we will manage this tightly. We're targeting free cash flow of $6,000,000,000 to $7,000,000,000 Jamie mentioned we had some progress payments move into 2017. At the same time, we're focused on improving working capital and reducing CapEx. We're making progress on cost and cash. We're strengthening our balance sheet and ended the year with $11,000,000,000 of GE Industrial cash.

Russell and the team are focused on fixing power and they have the support of the company behind them. Aviation and Healthcare had excellent performance in 2017 and are well positioned for 2018. We're running the businesses better and simplifying the portfolio. So with that, Matt, I'll turn it back over to you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, John. With that, let's open up the call for questions.

Speaker 1

Our first question is from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Good morning. So I have two questions. First one, with the lower base and profit, there's a lot moving around here. I think the prior segment guide was in kind of the $13,000,000,000 to $14,000,000,000 range on kind of segment profits.

And I guess Power specifically was going to be down 25%. What are you looking for next year with regards to those two metrics? And then as a follow-up, the contract asset guidance of negative $3,000,000,000 next year in free cash flow. Has that changed at all relative to what we've seen here in the Q4 and your approach to project selectivity?

Speaker 5

So Steve, when you look at the 2018 segment outlook, we had laid that out for everyone back on November 13. Really, there's no change to how we're thinking about industrial. So however you had thought about it before, the only thing to adjust really is how 2017 ended. The second piece of that to think about is last week on the insurance call, we talked about with the GE Capital actions, GE Capital would be about breakeven next year and that's the other thing to think about as you work through that. Now on the contract assets piece, no change to how we thought about 2018.

We still expect that to consume working capital of about $3,000,000,000 Contract assets were roughly flat in the Q4, but that is something that while we're pleased to see that and we've implemented a number of different controls on that, we're not starting to see goodness or that shift really start to flow in 2018 yet.

Speaker 4

So then how are you guys maintaining guidance if Capital is a little lighter and your base performance in 4Q is obviously on a segment profit basis, below where I think most of us were expecting it because of power?

Speaker 3

So Steve, on that one, just a couple of thoughts here. One, we did in the fall really leading up to November, a very detailed review of the businesses, deep dives into the businesses as I shared with you, and really came up with a number of different scenarios for each business. And on the back of that work, that's how we indicated the range of $1 to $1.07 We thought that reflected the reality of the business franchises as well, but also allowed for some room for contingency in that context. So GE Capital and Power definitely put pressure on that model, but I'd say we also see strength in aviation, strength in healthcare, opportunity for more cost out. And then the last thing I'd just say is, you can count on us for transparency, obviously, but we have a team that's dedicated to working through the issues and solving our issues and not mailing all of them right back immediately to investors.

So we feel comfortable we can deliver range in 2018.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Andrew Kaplowitz with Citi.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning, guys.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 7

John or Jamie, can you give us more color about the cash dynamics you saw in the Q4? What ultimately do you think your teams did differently to deliver the better execution on the cash in the quarter? And can you talk about why progress collections are stronger than expected? Was it just timing? And does the 4th quarter's cash performance give you more confidence that you can deliver on your cash generation expectations in 2018 despite a weaker dollar business?

Speaker 5

Sure. I'll walk you through the pieces of the 4th quarter cash flow and can comment on your questions as I go through it. So first, working capital helped us by about $3,900,000,000 in the quarter. A good chunk of that was inventory, about $2,200,000,000 of inventory. We really saw strength across the board, across the businesses as just 4th quarter shipments were liquidated and things moved through.

On progress, a lot of that is billing and milestone payments, but we did see, as we mentioned earlier, some accelerated progress into the 4th quarter, some timing that we didn't expect. That was about $1,000,000,000 When you look operationally in terms of receivables, we did see past dues drop by about 4 points, and the team has done very good work there. We saw some of that movement throughout the year, but a nice drop in 4th quarter. We expect that work to continue as we go into 2018. And then on contract assets, I mentioned before that really the deferred was flat.

Some of the controls that we're implementing are things like just really making sure that we're much tighter on our underwriting, not only how we think about the strike zone around returns, but importantly, how the cash profile really looks on these contracts going out several years. Look, when you look at why it was flat in the quarter, a lot of that had to do with lower shop costs coming through at Aviation, which really pulled through just less revenue and a little bit on timing of revenue and billings. So while we're not seeing the effect of these controls yet, we do expect to see this over the next couple of years. Look, I'm happy with where we've what we've done on inventory. I think the finished goods burn down was really favorable.

Good work on AR, but we have a lot more work to do. And I think also a lot more opportunity here. Turns were flat for the year on inventory. And then on contract assets, look, I'm pleased with it, but again, more work to

Speaker 4

do here and expect to see more. Andy, the other thing I'd say here is

Speaker 5

just working the lot of execution. And that's

Speaker 3

really where we're investing our time and effort. So it really involves everyone in the company, from the front end, the terms, how we're interacting with customers, how we're performing on project execution, how we manage the inventory, how we do billing. So we're just I had quite a good team in healthcare running this process. And it's a highly mechanical deep dive into seeing the moving pieces, many, many moving pieces. The other thing I'd say just for a perspective, as I mentioned in the opening remarks, that this is our number one focus.

As we go into 2018 for our pay structure for the teams, our incentive structures for the team, as we said before, we had numerous incentives before. We have 2 in 2018. 1 of those is free cash flow. So the company is focused and incentivized around cash flow.

Speaker 7

Thanks,

Speaker 1

The next question is from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research.

Speaker 8

Just two things. First, just back to the 2018 guide. So if I just understanding what I heard correctly, relative to the November outlook, where on an adjusted basis, you're expecting industrial profit to be up 2% to 7%. It does seem like it's tough to get your guidance on that, right? So we take where we've exited 2017, market down $2,000,000,000 or so for rev rec and then grow that 2% to 7%.

It doesn't seem like it gets you there. I mean, it seems like there's something below the line. I don't know what I'm missing. Maybe you could give us a little color on what you actually think Industrial segment profit is going to be in 2018?

Speaker 5

Yes, Jeff, the thing I'd probably point you to is that Power in the 4th quarter had a very tough quarter. And when you look at where we thought 2017 would land versus where it did, it was substantially lower there. Now when you really deconstruct the Q4 for Power, there were really 2 or 3 main themes there, one of which is just one time adjustments and some non repeat items. Another was the impact of market as we saw aero units and AGPs lower than we expected. Another was really around operations and execution.

And as Russell and the team have come in, first, the one time items piece of it, which was about $850,000,000 but half of that was a charge for slow moving and obsolete inventory that we took. We obviously don't expect that to repeat as we get into next year. The other piece of that $850,000,000 was non repeats from 2016. The market piece of it, we saw a tough market in the 3rd Q4 across both the aero business and AGPs. Now we do expect that to levelize a bit more as we get into 2018 back up.

We saw second half here down. And then on the operations and execution, and Russell can give more color on both of these. Project cost overruns in Power Gen, Grid and a little bit in Power Conversion, and then the transactional services piece of it just with higher field costs and an unfavorable mix. Now second half of the year in 2017 was tougher on services. On all these areas, I mean Russell is putting some very important sort of stabilization activity in place and we expect to see that power stabilize a little bit more and be above 2017 as we get into year.

But Russell, maybe you want to give some color on that?

Speaker 6

That's right, Jamie. I mean, the market dynamic within the quarter was $550,000,000 Lower Aero units at $3,000,000 in 2017 versus $31,000,000 in Q4 2016. We had lower services upgrades, so that came in at 25% versus 62%, down 37%. And then there was softness in the market related to power conversion that we've been navigating throughout the year. Jamie is right.

On execution, we continue to just do everything we need to run the business better. We dove deeply into projects and we're working through cost overruns and adjustments that we needed to take in those projects as we were nearing the conclusion of a number of legacy contracts, shoring up with partners on deals that were underwritten back in the 2013, 2014, 2015 timeframe, had critical milestones that we were able to hit that gave us better confidence around what those real estimates are going to be, and feel that we can navigate through that better as we go forward with some of the disciplines and controls we're putting in place. Jamie talked about the transactional services element that was in there. So it continued to be softer than what we would like. But I mentioned that Scott and the team have done a really nice job of going out, looking at the field, finding all of our installed assets and working to understand the outages associated with those assets in the field.

Back in October, we had visibility to only 28% of those outages. We actually can see 70% of those now, which is why we think that versus the 2017 run rate, there is a $1,000,000,000 $2,000,000,000 opportunity for us to be able to go chase. And even with those pressures, we did have good cost performance at $230,000,000 of favorable cost in the quarter.

Speaker 5

Jeff, one other thing I would just clarify. Just to be clear, what you would model for 2018 is probably roughly similar to what you ought to be modeling now. The thing that changed was 2017, not the 2018 element of the November 13.

Speaker 3

And Jeff, one other thing I'd just add. Again, we ran, obviously, a number of scenarios for each business. I'd just point out again, I'll talk about Power in a second, but very strong outlooks in Healthcare and Aviation. Those businesses are really performing well. And I'd say when you look at Power, it's obviously the focus point of this whole discussion.

This is a very important franchise. It's going through a very difficult period, but we still have a strong franchise here. We have 50% share in the high end technology. We've got a

Speaker 4

large installed base, a third of the

Speaker 3

world's electricity. So there's plenty to work with. There's third of the world's electricity. So there's plenty to work with. It's clearly the new

Speaker 6

unit market is soft. But as we

Speaker 3

look, all the analyses we do show a 0% to 2% ongoing growth in the coming decades for electricity from gas power. So there's opportunity in this business in the franchise itself. And as Russell laid out, there's basically four things to do to get that on track in terms of rightsizing the manufacturing footprint, working the cash and the inventory and the project execution, maximize the value of that installed base as he walked through, that is still a very valuable asset. And then lastly, improving really the management capability and bandwidth and processes and rustles all over that. We've made obviously a lot of changes in the management structure of that business.

So it's a lot of work. We said, 17 issues would carry into 2018 in Power, but it's still a good franchise and an important business and we're going to make the most of that.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Steven Winoker with UBS.

Speaker 9

Thanks. Good morning all. Good morning, Steve. John and Jamie, could you maybe frame help us frame the downside a little bit here on the liability side and the reserving. Maybe just what you do on WMC in the quarter?

How do you see changes there or in some of the other disclosed liabilities that we've seen quarter by quarter? And just give us a sense for that level of reserving that you're operating and kind of the window of sensitivities

Speaker 4

around it? So

Speaker 5

Steve, I'll talk you through GE Capital and just WMC and other things we monitor there. We've got WMC and we've got some other trailing obligations around GE Capital, some of which are litigation related, some of which are just indemnities from the assets we sold. Ex WMC, we hold reserves on that of about $700,000,000 That will play out over the next year or 2. I think that those reserves are in the right place. When you look at WMC itself, there is a couple of components here.

One is the reps and warranties lawsuits that we've disclosed in the past. We think we're fully reserved there at $400,000,000 The FIRREA investigation that's being conducted by the DOJ, that was also I think we got pretty good disclosure out there on that as well. We have not yet had substantive discussions with the Justice Department. We are early in the process there. So I really don't want to speculate on that one.

Speaker 9

And you didn't raise that at all on the quarter, the reserves?

Speaker 5

No, we didn't.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Andrew Obin with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Good morning, Andrew.

Speaker 10

Yes. Just a question, in terms of the impact of oil price on your business, and I think the question is twofold. I would have expected sort of better order dynamic at Baker Hughes, but then also looking at your exposure to energy rich regions, what does that do for your ability to collect better in 2018?

Speaker 5

So first on Baker Hughes, have a call at 9:30 where Lorenzo and Brian will take you through that. When you look at the oil rich regions, I'd say a couple of things from a finance perspective. One is we see some order uptick across some of our businesses in those regions in the Q4. In terms of the ability to collect and really work through some of the other more operational issues, I think this can be a favorable thing for us in 2018. In oil and gas in particular, it's really a longer cycle business here.

So when you think about the recovery, while we're starting to see some activity in oilfield services, Turbomachinery solutions, things like that over time should benefit.

Speaker 10

And just a follow-up, if I can. What about divestitures? How does that figure in your EPS outlook?

Speaker 5

When you look at the divestitures, so we moved some of those to held for sale this quarter. We've got about well, we've got a handful of business in product sales, smaller ones that are in the process right now. The value and proceeds estimate on that right now is in the $4,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 range based on today. There should be no impact to 2018 for free cash flow and EPS just based on timing of when we see that come through. You know about Baker Hughes and Transport and IS.

Everything else that we're working through, it's probably about $500,000,000 of free cash flow, but that's really more of a 2019 thing.

Speaker 3

And Andrew, I'd just add just in terms of the activity level around those smaller dispositions that good level of interest at very active pricing looks good. So we like what we've seen so far on that.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from Scott Davis with Melius Research.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning guys.

Speaker 11

Hey, Scott. Good morning.

Speaker 9

If I was to look at one part of our model that we're probably a little bit insecure of, I should say, it's just around price and power. And you're taking costs out, but are you comfortable at least the deflation in power? And I don't just mean on the OE side, I think we've seen that for 15 years. But on the service side, are you comfortable that that has kind of stopped as a rate of change or maybe just Russell can fill us in on where we stand there? Thanks.

Speaker 6

Yes. So we're continuing to work through the assessments on what's happening in the transactional side of the business. So we've been paying attention, I'd say, to it holistically around total margin performance. There is an element of price that we've acknowledged that we felt up to now just given that we did not have the level of attention that we should have had on that portion of the business. We also acknowledged in the past cost overruns around some of the execution that had taken place as well.

I feel with the exercise that Scott and the team that is working through that we ought to be able to see things stabilize and actually look at how we provide a better set of product offerings to be able to support the transactional fleet as we go forward, but that is still a work in progress.

Speaker 9

So Russell, I mean, one of the things that your competitors have always said that GE is a little bit tough on price and maybe you guys had made some decisions in the past that weren't economic. Is that something that has materially changed under your watch? You're going into projects and contracts with more discipline?

Speaker 6

So across the board, we are implementing much more disciplined underwriting practices. There's a new strike zone governance process that we're managing with myself and our CFO as well on the different levels of deals that we're willing to go do from our price, terms in cash performance. The process is definitely tighter than I would say than it was in the past. And we believe that that's going to be good for us in the long term.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from Gautam Khanna with Cowen and Company.

Speaker 11

Yes. So I was wondering if you could just expand on the nature and the scope of the SEC investigation into contract assets and

Speaker 6

whether how far you are

Speaker 11

in that internal review of kind of the fidelity of that balance right now?

Speaker 5

Sure. I can comment on that one. So this is a space, CSA, is that I've spent a ton of time on over the years. This is something that at the company level, we have really exhaustively reviewed it. We've got a deep finance team, a deep controllership team.

And as the SEC has started to take a look at this, I would tell you it's very early days. As I've come into the role, I mean, just like John, I'm going through a very deep review on pretty much everything in finance. Look, there's nothing here that I'm overly concerned about. But look, if I see something, we'll deal with it. But I don't see anything at this point.

Speaker 11

And to your point, it's early days. Just to follow-up Early

Speaker 5

days of the process with the SEC, yes.

Speaker 11

Okay. And to follow-up on an earlier question on GE Capital and potential liabilities not reserved for. I'm just curious, like to the extent that there is any exposure, maybe it's on some of the residual WMC or what have you. Where is it? I mean, where would we possibly have some exposure that maybe isn't fully reserved for now?

Just because the charge that you talked about last week that was going to hit us in Q4 and did was bigger than we expected. I'm just curious, you've kind of gone through everything or have you? I mean, are we still in the discovery mode of some of the liabilities from years back that could actually bite us?

Speaker 5

I think we've got a good inventory of what we see. And as we've gone through this, I think our reserves are appropriately set. I think what will play out over the next year or 2 is really the work with FIRREA and the Department of Justice. And look, as that plays out, we'll see where that goes. If we need to take additional actions in GE Capital, we'll take them.

But it's really too early to speculate at this point on how that could land.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning, guys.

Speaker 3

Hey, Joe.

Speaker 12

Hey Jamie, I wanted to ask you a question. Early you made reference to the better cash flow in 4Q partly being related to some timing. It sounded like some receivables timing in 4Q. So I'm just curious as it relates to the 1Q cash flow number, last year, I think you guys were down about $2,000,000,000 to $2,500,000,000 in free cash flow. Is the expectation then for 1Q that it should be then worse than it was last year partly because of this timing?

Speaker 5

I don't expect it to be worse than last year. I actually expect it to be better than last year. I think what you are going to see though is a bit of a push around progress timing. You remember, we were really hit by progress coming into 2017 in the renewables business and that should be a non repeat going into 2018. So that should be helpful to us.

Having said that, with the timing of progress between Q4 2017, Q1 2018 that we saw with Power and Aviation, that's going to swing back around. So I do expect it to be negative, but not nearly as bad as last year.

Speaker 4

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Just to get on that whole cash thing, obviously, with orders and deposits and things, those things move around in a discrete manner. What we're really focused on is driving the machine behind our inventories and our supply chains and our commercial terms. So these will move around a little bit based on discrete orders, but what we're really tracking is how we're doing on managing the overall machine, if you will.

Speaker 12

Got it. And John, on that point, there's been no change then to the $2,000,000,000 or so in working capital improvements that you're expecting in 2018?

Speaker 5

That's correct. In fact, I expect it should be slightly better than that.

Speaker 1

And our final question comes from Robert McCarthy with Stifel.

Speaker 13

Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 11

The first question is just on

Speaker 13

the raise and the effective tax rate for modeling purposes in the out years for industrial. How does it affect how you're thinking just conceptually about cash, CFOA and industrial free cash? How much of a potential headwind could that be in the out years?

Speaker 5

I think, look over the next several years, the impact of the transition tax should be quite small. We're modeling mid to high teens tax rate over the next couple of years really as we've got credit and other losses and deductions that will continue to carry us through. As we get out into the 2020s, that rate will moderate into the low 20s. In terms of the cash modeling for the near term, we don't expect a significant shift in that profile.

Speaker 13

But over the longer term, obviously, that's a structural headwind.

Speaker 5

Yes. Over the longer term, I think we have to see what our tax positioning is.

Speaker 4

Look, I think it's hard to speculate at this point

Speaker 5

3 to 4 years out on that one. At this point 3 to 4 years out on that one.

Speaker 2

Okay, John. Before we wrap up, I would just like to thank everyone for joining us today, reminding you that a today, reminding you that a replay of today's call will be available this afternoon on our investor website.

Speaker 3

John, to you. Great, Matt. Thanks. I'd just wrap up by saying there's really three thoughts as I look at the quarter and then move ahead into 2018. One is, as we said, we're focused on running every asset that we own in a more effective manner.

So back to basics on cost, cash, capital allocation, people, project execution. And I think you saw signs of that in Q4, I'd call it green shoots on that in Q4. And that's really the core focus of the business into 2018. We did talk in November about focusing on power, aviation and healthcare. We really like the franchises we have in all three of those.

I'll do whatever it takes really to make sure that those businesses are positioned to flourish in the future, have the right resources, have the right investment flexibility, and we're looking at any option we need to think about in that context. And we're really thinking about not just how they flourish in 2018, but And we're really

Speaker 4

thinking about not just

Speaker 3

how they flourish in 2018, but 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, what is the best outlook for those businesses that we can create for our customers, for our teams, and when we have that right, obviously, it will work for the shareholders. And then the last thing I really just want to for the shareholders. And then the last thing I really just want to say is, I'd say the best part of it, I've got almost 6 months under my belt as CEO, the best part has been just watching our GE team up close. It's an incredibly passionate team about our businesses, about serving the customers, about each other. And I'd say most importantly in the context of 2017 into 2018, it's a deeply competitive team and it has a will and a deep desire to be a winner.

And so when I look at the overall picture for GE, I always come back to that, I always come back to the strength of the 300,000 employees. And I just say as we head into 2018 and go into battle in 2018 with that team and with the strength of the businesses, just closing, I'm confident we can do this. So thanks for your time and we'll see you in the future. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. Good day.

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