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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Nov 16, 2021

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Griffon Corporation Annual and Fourth Quarter 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. The question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Brian Harris, Chief Financial Officer of Griffon Corporation. Thank you. You may begin.

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Thank you, Hillary. Good morning, everyone. With me on the call is Ron Kramer, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Our call is being recorded and will be available for playback, the details of which are in our press release issued earlier today. As in the past, our comments will include forward-looking statements about the company's performance based on our views of Griffon's businesses and the environments in which they operate. Such statements are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties that can change as the world changes. Please see the cautionary statements in today's press release and in our various Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Finally, some of today's remarks will adjust for those items that affect comparability between reporting periods. These items are explained in our non-GAAP reconciliations included in our press release. Now I'll turn the call over to Ron.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Thanks, and good morning, everyone. 2021 was a record year for Griffon. We continue to see strong demand in our businesses, driven by a robust housing market and a leading product portfolio in the U.S. and internationally, while effectively navigating a highly dynamic and challenging operating environment. Griffon entered 2021 with significant momentum, reflecting more time spent in and around the house and a renewed appreciation for a lifestyle, including the lawn, garden, and the outdoors. During the course of the year, we continued to see healthy demand, but supply challenges across the global economy emerged and then escalated, creating increasing headwinds for us and the entire global economy, particularly in the second half.

Despite these challenges in 2021, inclusive of Telephonics, we generated record revenue of $2.5 billion, record segment adjusted EBITDA, $317 million, and record adjusted earnings of $1.86 per share. Our businesses also continued to see unprecedented levels of backlog, which bodes well for continued momentum into 2022. Our record performance this year is a direct result of our being able to realize the benefits of the strategic actions we have taken to strengthen the company and position ourselves for future growth and increased profitability. Our portfolio repositioning and strategic acquisitions, along with the critical investments we made in infrastructure at our CornellCookson commercial door facility in Mountaintop, Pennsylvania, and our ongoing AMES strategic initiative, have put us into a position to capitalize on the consistent strength of the housing market and homeowner activity.

Notwithstanding our record levels of performance, we continue to be impacted by an increasingly difficult global operating environment. COVID is better, but it's not over. Particularly in the second half of this year, labor, transportation, and supply chain disruptions, both domestically and internationally, have affected our ability to meet market demand and have disrupted the steady flow of our operations. Our customers, affected by these same challenges, continue to be desperate for product to restock their shelves and replenish their inventory levels and have begun looking more broadly across their supplier and vendor base to secure the product needed to meet the continued demand in the market, given these inefficiencies. This presents both challenges as well as opportunities across the competitive landscape. We've also taken significant strategic actions this year with the goal of increasing value to our shareholders and enhancing our competitiveness.

In September, we announced the exploration of strategic alternatives, including a sale for Telephonics, our defense electronics business. Telephonics is a terrific company with a long history of impressive achievement, and we are evaluating opportunities to realize the value of the business and focus our resources on areas where we believe we can achieve stronger growth. On the acquisition front, we have an extremely active pipeline of high-quality businesses, and we will continue to be optimistic about finding acquisition opportunities that are value-enhancing and immediately accretive. Let's shift to the results for the year and give some more detail around the performance of the segments. Starting with Consumer and Professional Products, our AMES business, revenue increased by 8% year-over-year, and adjusted EBITDA increased 11%. The increase in revenue benefited from increased volume and favorable price, mix, and foreign exchange.

AMES saw volume gains in international markets, largely driven by consumer activity catching up after earlier pandemic shutdowns and other demand disruptions. Domestically, U.S. volumes were lower due to the labor, transportation, and supply chain disruptions that have been widely reported and commented upon. Despite these disruptions, consumer demand appears to continue to be healthy. In terms of profitability, increased material costs in the U.S., coupled with continued lag of price catching up with rapidly rising input costs have been and continue to be headwinds on margins. We expect price and cost to reach parity at the end of our second quarter of 2022. Turning to Home and Building Products, our Clopay business saw record revenue and EBITDA, which increased by 12% and 18% respectively. The increase in revenue benefited from increased favorable price and mix and increased volume.

We saw broad strength across both residential and commercial products throughout the year. Commercial products in particular did well with heightened customer interest in the new products developed by CornellCookson, strong performance of core rolling steel product offerings, and successful cross-selling of sectional doors through commercial channels. With an infrastructure bill finally signed, the future looks bright for demand. EBITDA Clopay benefited from the increased revenue, partially offset by continued price and cost lag. Rapidly rising prices for steel, interruptions of supply of raw materials and chemicals, as well as significant shortages in labor, continue to create challenges for the business, as evidenced by Clopay's unprecedented levels of backlog. Turning to Telephonics. We announced the exploration of strategic alternatives for the business on September 27th, and are now treating the business as a discontinued operation in our reported results.

Lazard, our banker, is actively working on these alternatives, which includes a sale. We expect this process to conclude by the end of our second fiscal quarter, ending March 2022. Excluding the contribution of the SEG business, which we divested in the first quarter of 2021, Telephonics revenue in 2021 decreased by 15% year-over-year, and EBITDA decreased by 15%. Revenue was impacted by reduced volume due to delayed awards in certain programs, as well as decreased deliveries. EBITDA was impacted by the lower volume, as well as by cost growth in systems, partially offset by favorable program performance in the radar systems and reduced operating expenses resulting from efficiency actions taken last November. We expect increased sales and profits, including strong margin improvement as the company enters fiscal 2022. Turning to our dividend and balance sheet.

Our record performance this year reduced our leverage to 2.8 x net debt to EBITDA, which is well below our stated target of 3.5 x and does not include the benefit from the Telephonics strategic process. This balance sheet strength provides us with substantial flexibility to pursue value-enhancing and immediately accretive acquisitions while making strategic investments in our existing businesses. We increased our dividend to $0.09 per share, which marks the 41st consecutive quarterly dividend paid to shareholders. Our dividend has grown at a 17% compound annual growth rate since our dividend program was started. Separately, each year, we reach out to institutional shareholders to discuss their views on a variety of subjects, including our governance practices. Over the past five years, we've refreshed approximately half of our independent directors, adding diversity and relevant expertise to our board.

As we evolve, we are continuing this process. Our Board has adopted two amendments to our Certificate of Incorporation for submission to our shareholders at our 2022 annual meeting. The first amendment will declassify the Board over a three-year transition period after the amendment becomes effective. The second will reduce the percentage of voting power necessary to call a special meeting of shareholders. These amendments will become effective upon the approval of our shareholders at our 2022 annual meeting. Our Board has also undertaken a commitment to further diversify, with an objective that by 2025, 40% of our Independent Directors will be women or persons of color. These enhancements and refinements to our corporate governance practices will further align our interests with those of our long-term shareholders in contributing to maximizing shareholder value.

Let me turn it over to Brian now for more details regarding Q4's financial results. Brian?

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Thank you, Ron. I'll start by highlighting our fourth quarter consolidated performance on a continuing basis. Revenue increased by 3% to $570 million. Segment adjusted EBITDA increased 6% to $67 million, with related margin increasing 30 basis points to 11.7%. Gross profit on a GAAP basis for the quarter was $156 million, increasing 1% compared to the prior year quarter. Excluding restructuring related charges, gross profit was $159 million, increasing 3% compared to the prior year quarter, with gross margin decreasing 10 basis points to 27.9%. Fourth quarter GAAP selling general and administrative expenses were $123 million compared to $117 million in the prior year quarter.

Excluding restructuring related charges, selling, general, and administrative expenses were $120 million, or 21% of revenue, compared to $116 million or 21% in the prior year quarter, with the increased dollars primarily driven by distribution, transportation, and incentive costs. Fourth quarter GAAP net income, which includes Telephonics, was $16 million or $0.30 per share, compared to the prior year period of $20 million or $0.41 per share. Excluding items that affect comparability from both periods, current quarter adjusted net income was $21 million or $0.40 per share, compared to the prior year of $22 million or $0.44 per share. Keep in mind the impact of the August 2020 equity offering on adjusted EPS was approximately $0.04.

Fourth quarter GAAP income from continuing operations was $13 million or $0.23 per share compared to the prior year period of $21 million or $0.43 per share. Excluding items that affect comparability from both periods, current quarter adjusted net income was $18 million or $0.33 per share compared to the prior year of $17 million or $0.35 per share. The impact of the August 2020 equity offer on adjusted EPS was approximately $0.03 . Corporate and unallocated expenses excluding depreciation were $13 million in the quarter compared to $12 million the prior year quarter, primarily due to incentive costs. Our 2021 full year effective tax rate, excluding items that affect comparability, was 31.7% compared to 33.7% in the prior year. Capital spending was $12 million in the fourth quarter compared to $11 million in the prior year quarter.

Depreciation and amortization totaled $13.3 million compared to $12.8 million in the prior year quarter. Regarding our balance sheet and liquidity as of September 30, 2021, we had net debt of $797 million, with leverage of 2.8x calculated based on our debt covenants. This is a 0.6 of a turn reduction from our prior year fourth quarter. Our cash and equivalents were $249 million, and debt outstanding was $1.05 billion. Borrowing availability under the revolving credit facility was $371 million, subject to certain loan covenants. Regarding guidance, our standard practice has been to provide a forecast of our performance for the coming year and maintain that guidance.

At the beginning of our fiscal 2021, we provided initial guidance that reflected our view of the ongoing risks associated with the pandemic and the economic recovery. However, at mid-year, we took the unprecedented step of updating guidance when our performance continued to be well in excess of initial guidance. We are returning to our standard practice and are providing guidance for fiscal 2022, reflecting what we consider to be reasonable expectations for the year. On a continuing operating basis, excluding the contribution of Telephonics, we expect revenue of $2.5 billion and segment adjusted EBITDA of $300 million for fiscal 2022, excluding both unallocated costs of $49 million and one-time charges of approximately $15 million related to the AMES initiative.

In terms of the phasing of our guidance, we expect significant margin compression in the first half of the year, particularly in the first quarter, as we recover price to offset significantly increased input costs. Just to dimension the magnitude of the price increases we have realized and expect to realize, we secured multiple double-digit price increases in 2021 and expect to realize additional double-digit price increases in the first half of fiscal 2022. Margins are expected to gradually improve starting in the latter part of our second quarter and will reach more normalized levels by our fourth quarter, reflecting the passthrough of pricing to our customers and expected improvement in labor and transportation availability, along with improving reliability within our supply chain.

Further, our guidance incorporates the sales trends we are seeing as customers are diversifying their supplier base to find available product across a wider array of vendors and suppliers than before. This diversification is resulting in shifts of market share and shelf space across our product categories. Likewise, we are diversifying our own supplier base and focusing our resources on those brands, channels, products, and customers where we have competitive strength and a good product mix and can maintain healthy margins. This will result in shifts of both sales volume and mix throughout 2022 and into 2023 as we prioritize our resources to achieve our margin objectives. Total capital expenditures for fiscal 2022 are expected to be $65 million, which includes $25 million supporting the AMES initiative. Depreciation and amortization is expected to be $56 million, of which $9 million is amortization.

We expect to generate free cash flow in excess of net income, inclusive of the capital investment and other investments we are making at AMES. As in prior years, we expect a similar pattern of cash flow, with significant cash usage in the first half, followed by strong second half cash generation. As a result of the expected margin compression in the first quarter and the timing of price cost parity expected to be reached in the second half of the year, our first half cash usage, particularly in the first quarter, will exceed historical levels. We expect net interest expense of approximately $63 million for fiscal 2022. Our expected normalized tax rate will be approximately 32%. As is always the case, year-to-date geographic earnings mix and any legislative action, including new guidance on tax reform matters, may impact rates.

Now I'll turn the call back over to Ron.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Just as a final comment on 2022, we continue to believe that supply chain disruptions, inflationary trends, and labor shortages will remain challenges, but the strength of our demand gives us a high degree of confidence in the outlook. We continue to believe in the strength of our diversified holding company investment and operating-centric model. This year marks the third fiscal year since we repositioned our business through divesting the plastics business and acquiring ClosetMaid and CornellCookson. These actions have fundamentally strengthened Griffon over the last three years. Our revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted earnings per share have increased at a compound annual growth rate of 11%, 23%, and 35% respectively. Over this period, we generated $224 million in free cash flow while cutting our leverage in half to 2.8 x.

Our announcement of strategic alternatives for Telephonics marks another fundamental shift in our portfolio. We realize additional value for shareholders, and this will allow Griffon to redeploy capital towards accretive acquisitions. Our M&A pipeline is active, and we are reviewing exciting opportunities to substantially bolster our existing businesses, as well as considering new opportunities that will further strengthen and diversify us. In closing, I'd like to thank our entire global workforce, which has shown exceptional dedication and perseverance through another challenging year. We appreciate the importance of their work in order to deliver these excellent results. We remain excited about our future. Operator, we're happy to take any questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Please note we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up per person. One moment please while we pull for questions. Our first question is from Bob Labick of CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Lee Jagoda
Senior Managing Director, CJS Securities

Hi, it's actually Lee Jagoda for Bob this morning. Good morning, Ron and Brian.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Good morning.

Lee Jagoda
Senior Managing Director, CJS Securities

Just starting with your guidance and the margin guidance specifically, are you assuming that the current headwinds and pricing and cost environment is sort of steady state from here till when we recover? Or are you assuming continued increasing headwinds offset by continued increasing pricing to get to your equilibrium mid-year next year?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Yeah. We clearly see the first half of the year as being more difficult than the second half of the year. You know, the pace of you know, inflationary input costs, supply chain disruptions will hit us you know, worse in the first quarter, better in the second quarter. We'll reach price parity towards the end of the second quarter, and we expect to get back to margins that we were enjoying before the second half of 2021. Brian, you wanna add to that?

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

I'd just add to that, we expect particular pressure in the first quarter of the year as we're working on the price increases that'll start to take hold in the second quarter.

Lee Jagoda
Senior Managing Director, CJS Securities

Got it. Then just as a follow-up, thinking about your balance sheet and M&A, as you know, given the low current leverage and the likelihood that Telephonics process leads to, you know, a deleveraging transaction, it appears you'll have plenty of firepower to go out and find acquisitions. Ron, can you comment on any particular areas of focus, potential transaction sizes, and whether the multiples out there in the market make sense to you from a purchase standpoint?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

We commented in our last conference call that, you know, things had slowed down, and that was really a reflection of what was happening in the Delta variant, you know, and what we saw and correctly stepped away. We have been more active this quarter than we've been in the history of the company. We see targets both big and small that are complementary to the businesses, particularly around the AMES business and the Clopay business. You're correct that our balance sheet provides significant between our revolver, cash on balance sheet, and our, you know, proven ability to take leverage up and deploy it effectively, plus the expected outcome of the Telephonics strategic process.

We have well over $1 billion of buying power, and you should expect that we are actively looking at deploying it into value-enhancing, immediately accretive transactions. When we have more to announce, obviously we will.

Operator

Our next question is from Josh Chan of Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Josh Chan
VP and Senior Equity Research Associate, Baird

Hi. Good morning, Ron, Brian.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Morning, Josh.

Josh Chan
VP and Senior Equity Research Associate, Baird

Morning. I guess on your guidance comments, you mentioned it's sort of a significant margin impact in Q1. I was just wondering if there's any way to sort of quantify that to limit any kind of future surprises. Maybe more importantly, do you think you're past the worst of, you know, labor and supply chain issues at this point, even as you deal with the price cost dynamic?

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

We expect over the course of the year, starting in the second quarter, margins will start to get back to normal and will get more normal in the second half of the year and into the fourth quarter. Our guidance assumes that the supply chain and labor constraints will start to ease in the back half of the year. The first quarter, you know, we're still working on getting the latest set of price increases through. Until they are through, there will be significant pressure on that margin and, you know, starting the second quarter, it'll start to trend back to normal.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Yeah. It's our view that that's not just us, that's what's happening across the entire economy. You know, this wave of input costs, supply chain disruptions is going to be crashing into people throughout the balance of calendar year 2021, which you know, for us is our first fiscal quarter at the end of calendar year for companies, and a reset you know progressing into 2022. Again, the demand side is certain, you know, and if anything, we think there's potential upside in what we see in trends in the consumer and housing, you know, and then throw the infrastructure potential on top of it.

Having said that, you know, inflationary trends that have gone on, you know, you can pass along price immediately, but we have passed along significant double-digit price increases and believe that in the second quarter of this year, we'll achieve parity on those existing cost structures, which will drive improved margins for the balance of 2022.

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

I would just add actually in addition, if you look back last year in Q1, we had very good margins. AMES was about 11% and Clopay was 19%. One, to point out the difficult or more difficult comp through the prior year Q1, and two, to point out the earnings power of our businesses once we get back to a normalized state of affairs.

Josh Chan
VP and Senior Equity Research Associate, Baird

That's good color on that. Yeah. Thank you both for that. I guess my follow-up, you talked also about some shifts in terms of customer purchases as they diversify and maybe you diversify as well. It seems like there's some meaningful shifts kind of going on. Could you kind of provide more color on that and where are some of the opportunities and maybe challenges for you relative to these?

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Sure. So these mostly apply to our CPP business, our AMES business. Our customers, who are, as we've said, desperate for inventory, have been looking for other options to fill their shelves. This, you know, will have some puts and takes between our customers as all customers are looking for other suppliers. This actually is a bit of an opportunity for us to focus on our brands and our customers that are strong and will help us protect our margins over the long term. This is not unusual. We've seen historically shifts between customers and this is just another trend or another ups and down trend of that type of shift.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Yeah. Ultimately, we believe branded products matter, and we'll continue to invest in our brand and deliver the best product at the better or best price point that, you know, and deliver a value proposition for the consumer.

Operator

Our next question is from Julio Romero of Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question.

Julio Romero
Building Products Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Hey, good morning, Ron and Brian. Thanks for taking the questions.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Morning.

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Morning.

Julio Romero
Building Products Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

On the CPP segment, did you see any, you know, alleviation to transportation costs or transportation bottlenecks as you progressed throughout the quarter? Or would you say that maybe the transportation side, you know, may be getting worse as you progressed? And then secondly, you know, when might you expect to see some relief on the transportation front?

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Yeah. We're expecting to see relief really in the second half of fiscal 2022. I think that's general, not just we'll see it, but the overall economy will see it. We saw continued difficult supply chain disruptions, labor disruptions in transportation. Hopefully, they have peaked. You know, we expect them to continue through at least the first half of our year. As we said, we'll be having price increases that will go out through the first quarter and start to take hold in the second quarter, setting ourselves up for the second half of the year when, again, we expect some of those disruptions to alleviate.

Julio Romero
Building Products Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Got it. I guess for my follow-up, I appreciate the commentary in regards to to Lee's question earlier about looking at businesses complementary to your current portfolio of AMES and HBP. You know, assuming your geographic footprint stays the same, you know, I guess circling back to the other prepared commentary about the dynamic environment creating opportunities, could you speak at all to the potential for balance sheet deployment to allow you to play offense in regards to your, you know, your current markets and your around the home strategy?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

We are actively engaged in looking to deploy the balance sheet strength that we have and that we will have as a result of the Telephonics strategic process to be complementary, value enhancing, and immediately accretive.

Operator

Our next question is from Justin Bergner of Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Justin Bergner
Portfolio Manager, Gabelli Funds

Good morning, Ron. Good morning, Brian.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Good morning, Justin.

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Morning.

Justin Bergner
Portfolio Manager, Gabelli Funds

My first question relates to the comment about customers looking to diversify suppliers, I guess, in an environment of tight supply. Sort of what are you seeing on the ground, maybe just a little bit more anecdotal, that's prompting you to sort of speak to that on today's call? Is that something that is implicit at all in your 2022 guidance, or is that more of just something that you're thinking about longer term?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Yeah, our guidance absolutely reflects that dynamic. You know, our customers, as I said before, and just to clarify, you know, they are seeking an adjustment for inventory. We will use and leverage our brands, our U.S. manufacturing ability, our distribution ability, and the highly competitive products that we have to focus on better margin mix.

Justin Bergner
Portfolio Manager, Gabelli Funds

That's the best I can.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Yeah. The goal for us is, you know, to have a mix that leads to better margins. You know, in this desperation of filling shelves, we see opportunities to align our businesses to allow that to happen.

Justin Bergner
Portfolio Manager, Gabelli Funds

Got it. My follow-up question was on guidance. First of all, if you could just reiterate the CapEx number, and then the revenue guide for $2.5 billion for continuing ops, does that sort of assume positive volume? And can you sort of quantify, you know, what sort of positive volume range is implicit in that guide?

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Sure. So the CapEx was $65 million, 25 of which relates to the AMES initiative, just to tick that off. Regarding volume, overall, well, actually, on the Home and Building Products side, with our large backlog, volume should be positive. We're expecting it to be positive, and that's been baked into our guidance. On the HBP side, particularly with the supply chain constraints, we expect volume to be down over the course of the year, but we expect it overall to be improving in the second half of the year. However, price overall will be up, and therefore our higher revenue guidance.

Operator

Our next question is from Trey Grooms of Stephens. Please proceed with your question.

Noah Merkousko
Managing Director and Senior Associate, Stephens

Thanks, and good morning. This is actually Noah Merkousko on for Trey Grooms.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Morning, Noah.

Brian Harris
CFO, Griffon Corporation

Morning.

Noah Merkousko
Managing Director and Senior Associate, Stephens

I wanted to talk a little bit about the HBP EBITDA margins and how you're thinking about those long term. I mean, those continue to look very impressive, and I think you've been outpacing your longer term guidance there. Just kinda help us frame up what that looks like and maybe what's baked into 2022's guidance for that segment.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

You know, I'll remind you we're the largest residential, and now with the integration of CornellCookson, the largest commercial door business. This is our first year that we've broken $1 billion in revenue. We think the future of the Clopay business is extraordinarily bright, both the repair and remodel market from residential, the commercial and industrial. As we continue to rebuild America, the opportunities for us on the commercial side of the business are likely to be even a faster pace of growth than the residential business. The company is in extraordinarily good shape competitively. It is an efficient manufacturer. Our best long-term margin days are ahead of us. Short term, you know, same story.

Steel prices are up, transportation disruption, you know, ongoing bottleneck issues on component pieces. The targets for margins for the year, you know, continue to be consistent with what they were for this year. The pace of how we get there, you know, we expect first half of the year to be lower than the second half. Most importantly, we see volume increasing, unprecedented levels of backlog in the Clopay business, and our ability to execute on that gives us visibility on 2022. Longer term, to your point, we see the best margin days ahead of us.

Noah Merkousko
Managing Director and Senior Associate, Stephens

Thanks. That's helpful. Just on a follow-up, I think you mentioned the infrastructure bill potentially having a positive impact on that HBP business. I'm assuming that's probably not gonna be until 2023, but can you kind of frame up how you're thinking about how that might impact demand?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

You know, 10 years ago, the phrase shovel ready, you know, was making the rounds. You know, we've said for 10 years, we've got the shovels. The impact over the next 10 years from a bill that when you separate the politics, this is the largest infrastructure bill that's gotten passed in the United States since the Eisenhower administration. We think that we are going to be a beneficiary on both the AMES side of our business and specifically to your question, on the commercial side, CornellCookson is an architectural designer for institutional government facilities.

When you're building bridges and roads and rails and you're improving that, you know, underlying municipal, state, and federal infrastructure, there will be a number of opportunities for us to sell commercial rolling steel doors, grilles, security products, all of which comes from a more robust federal spending plan. We feel, you know, and do exactly that. That's not a 2022 conversation. That's a next five-year conversation once it kicks in, and it won't kick in until 2023.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. The confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. Our next question is from Sam Darkatsh of Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Sam Darkatsh
Managing Director of Building Products, Specialty, and Industrial Distribution, Raymond James

Good morning, Ron. Good morning, Brian. How are you?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Good morning. Doing well.

Sam Darkatsh
Managing Director of Building Products, Specialty, and Industrial Distribution, Raymond James

Just most of my questions have been asked and answered. Just a couple clarifying housekeeping items. Just so we could get a sense of what possible tax leakage might be on a transaction of Telephonics since it's a legacy business. Can you remind us what the cost basis is of the business for you?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

We don't expect significant tax leakage. I don't believe we've publicly said what the cost basis is, but I would just not expect significant amount of tax leakage.

Sam Darkatsh
Managing Director of Building Products, Specialty, and Industrial Distribution, Raymond James

Okay. The second question, the decision to use not only proceeds but existing liquidity for acquisitions as opposed to share repurchase, can we infer from that, Ron, that the acquisitions that you're contemplating would be more accretive post synergy than share repo would be?

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

We still have a $58 million unused authorization. We didn't buy any stock this quarter. We're very busy focused on things that can significantly grow the business, complement our acquisition. I won't rule out that we won't buy stock in the future.

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I will now turn the call back over to Ron Kramer for closing remarks.

Ron Kramer
Chairman and CEO, Griffon Corporation

Thank you all. We had an excellent year, and we're hard at work to make 2022 everything we think it can be. Our future is very bright. Thanks very much.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a great day.

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