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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 28, 2022

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Q1 conference call for Graco Inc. If you wish to access the replay for this call, you may do so by dialing 1-855-859-2056 within the United States or Canada. The dial-in number for international callers is 404-537-3406. The conference ID number is 2464642. The replay will be available through 2 P.M. Eastern Time, Thursday, May 5, 2022. Graco has additional information available in a PowerPoint slide presentation, which is available as part of the webcast player. As a request of the company, we will open the conference up for question and answers after the opening remarks from management.

During this call, various remarks may be made by management about their expectations, plans, and prospects for the future. These remarks constitute forward-looking statements for the purpose of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated as a result of various risk factors, including those identified in Item 1A of the company's 2021 annual report on Form 10-K and in Item 1A of the company's most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q. These reports are available on the company's website at www.graco.com and the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. Forward-looking statements reflect management's current views and speak only of the time they are made. The company undertakes no obligation to update these statements in light of new information or future events.

I will now turn the conference over to Kathryn Schoenrock, Executive Vice President, Corporate Controller and Information Systems.

Katherine Schoenrock
EVP, Corporate Controller, and Information Systems, Graco Inc.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'm here today with Mark Sheahan and David Lowe. I will provide a brief overview of our quarterly results before turning the call over to Mark for additional discussion. Our conference call slides have been posted on our website and provide additional information that you may find helpful. Beginning this quarter, our high-performance coatings and foam product offerings, historically included within the Industrial segment, were realigned and are now managed and reported under the Contractor segment. The change will allow business leadership to address the overlap in markets, products, end users, and distributors for all of our contractor-focused businesses. Prior year segment information has been restated to conform to the current organizational structure, and we have provided restated historical results by quarter on our website.

Yesterday, Graco reported Q1 sales of $494 million, an increase of 9% from the Q1 of last year. The effect of currency translation rates decreased sales by 2 percentage points or approximately $7 million in the Q1 . Reported net earnings were $101 million for the quarter or $0.58 per diluted share. After adjusting for the impact of excess tax benefits from stock option exercises, net earnings were $99 million or $0.57 per diluted share. The gross margin rate was 60 basis points higher than the Q4 of last year, but is down 300 basis points from quarter-over-quarter. The decline from the Q1 of last year was primarily from higher input costs and the adverse impacts of changes in currency translation rates.

Our 2022 pricing actions are taking hold, and we expect to realize the full impact of our price increases as we move through the Q2 and sell through the remaining 2021 backlog. At current costs and volumes, we expect that our 2022 pricing actions will offset these input cost pressures on a dollar basis and result in a modest gross margin rate improvement in the H2 . Of course, costs of many commodities remain volatile and will be closely monitored. Total operating expenses increased $7 million in the quarter, which includes a $3 million charge for the full exposure of our receivables in Russia and Belarus. This amount is included in unallocated corporate expense. We have currently suspended our sales in Russia and Belarus. While we do not have any physical operations in the country, we do have a handful of employees.

Sales to Russia and Belarus in 2021 were approximately 1.5% of total consolidated sales. Interest expense increased by $3 million in the quarter. This increase relates to a $3.5 million fee associated with the prepayment of $75 million of our private placement debt. The adjusted effective tax rate was 19% for the quarter, which is comparable to the Q1 of last year. Cash flows from operations tottaled $31 million, a decrease of $70 million from last year, mostly driven by an increase in annual incentive payments and inventory purchases to meet demand levels. During the Q1 , we repurchased 1.5 million shares for $109 million, which will largely offset our dilution in 2022. As I mentioned earlier, we prepaid $75 million of our private placement debt.

We also made capital expenditures of $47 million and had dividend payments of $36 million. Finally, our full year estimates for currency impacts on allocated corporate expense, tax rate, and capital expenditures can be found in the conference call slide deck on page 11. I'll turn the call over to Mark now for further segment and regional discussion.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Thank you, Kathy, and good morning, everyone. All of my comments this morning will be on an organic constant currency basis. We started the year strong with record quarterly sales in all reportable segments. The Industrial and Process segments experienced broad-based sales growth in all regions. In Contractor, North America and Asia Pacific remained positive, but EMEA saw a decline in the quarter, driven primarily by limited product availability due to component shortages for large paint sprayers. Incoming order volume remains elevated and outpaces our ability to deliver. Long lead times in key materials and components such as electronics, castings, engines, and motors resulted in a 19% increase in our backlog from the end of last year.

Our consolidated backlog was appgroximately $445 million at the end of the first quarter, which is $70 million higher than what it was at the end of last year. We have implemented our annual price increase. However, as expected, due to the size of our year-end backlog, which is at last year's pricing, we did not realize its full impact during the quarter. A majority of last year's backlog has now been shipped. Therefore, we should see a greater impact from pricing on profitability for the remainder of the year. At current costs, we believe that our pricing actions will be enough to offset cost pressures from inflation on a dollar basis. Now turning to some commentary on our segments. After a very strong Q1 last year, the Contractor segment was up low single digits in the quarter.

We were heavily impacted by component shortages for our large paint sprayers, which primarily serves our North America and EMEA customers. Our inability to ship these larger, more profitable units negatively impacted operating earnings during the quarter. Our incoming order rates have continued to grow in all product lines, resulting in a backlog of over $100 million, which is up 20% since the end of last year. While mortgage interest rates have increased recently, contractors remain busy. Housing starts are still projected to be 1.7 million units this year. New and existing home sales remain strong. Commercial construction is forecasted to be up mid-single digits, and remodeling is forecasted to increase double digits during the year.

We believe that our 2022 pricing actions, largely implemented in the quarter, along with improved product mix, should positively impact profitability and Contractor segment for the remainder of the year. The Industrial segment posted its 5th consecutive quarter of double-digit growth. The segment grew mid-teens and achieved Q1 records for sales and operating earnings, resulting in impressive incremental margins of 64%. Sales remained strong in all major geographies with solid demand in many product categories such as liquid finishing, powder coating, and sealant and adhesive equipment. We are still facing component and logistical constraints, which have contributed to an increase in backlog of $24 million compared to the end of last year, and $75 million compared to the same time last year. The Process segment grew 26% for the quarter, resulting in records for both revenue and operating earnings.

We saw continued strength and demand for worldwide lubrication equipment, process pumps, and semiconductor products. Incremental margins were negatively impacted by cost pressures on key components. Backlog is elevated, and we're optimistic that the pace of business will persist throughout 2022. Moving on to our outlook. Underlying demand in our key end markets and geographies remains healthy. However, we are keeping a close eye on how economic and geopolitical conditions may impact the balance of the year. For now, we are confirming our 2022 revenue guidance of high single digits% on an organic constant currency basis, with growth expected in every reportable segment. While operational challenges persist, we intend to fully execute against our core strategies. We are investing in new product development initiatives. We continue to make investments in our facilities and distribution channel.

We are focused on finding profitable growth opportunities in attractive niche markets through a combination of both organic initiatives and a new focus on external activities, including acquisitions. I'm proud of the hard work that our teams are doing in some challenging times. It's fantastic to see everyone stepping up to help in classic Graco fashion. That concludes our prepared remarks. Michelle, we're ready for questions.

Operator

Thank you. The question-and-answer session will begin at this time. Your question will be taken in the order it is received. Please stand by for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Deane Dray
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Good morning, Deane.

Deane Dray
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

You guys usually provide a monthly cadence of organic sales, and a forward look on, in this case, April. Do you have those specifics here?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

You know, we didn't disclose that this quarter, Dean. You know, it's a monthly look, and sometimes that can be a bit misleading. I'll tell you that the orders are still coming in, backlogs are up, and at least so far here in the Q1 , we are ahead of, like, where we were at the end last year at this time.

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

What I would add is that we introduced that chart, I think about 2 years ago when we stopped doing guidance. We thought during 2020, it gave a bit more visibility in extremely uncertain times. We thought it was relevant to continue it in 2021 because of the sharp changes in business demand.

Deane Dray
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. I would make the case that we're still in a very uncertain stage of visibility, but I appreciate the color and context. Just to clarify on the Russia write-down, you said that was all of your receivables. You did include that in operating results, which from a quality of earnings standpoint, we really appreciate that most of your peers are using that as a one-timer. Just to clarify, that's it on the Russia exposure?

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

Yes, that is it.

Deane Dray
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Just lastly, can you calibrate for us how much you could not ship this quarter? I know it's short cycle for you. You're not typically building a big backlog. Can you calibrate for us either, you know, past due, you know, was not able to ship because of, you know, component pieces and so forth?

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

Well, this is David Lowe. I'll take a shot at it, and then, someone else may want to elaborate. I've been puzzling with that 1 myself. Here's how I'm thinking of it, Deane, is that if you look at maybe the last quote normal quarter with respect to supply chain was the Q1 last year. Q1's, because of the seasonality of CED, it's pretty volatile. Or it's pretty front-end loaded. In 2021, our backlog across all of our businesses grew about $50 million. I would say that maybe that was certainly more normal than what we've seen since the end of the Q1 with respect to our ability to ship. This quarter, as Mark mentioned, the number is $70 million.

I would, you know, basically make the case that certainly the supply chain challenges are contributing to some portion of that increase. Maybe it's $15-$20 million. We'll never know precisely, but that seems about in the range of possibility when I talk to the several factories on where orders and how orders have been building up.

Deane Dray
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's helpful. Just last 1 on the price increase, and look, we're used to the playbook for Graco is to put the price through annually in January, and it takes a bit for that price realization to read across. Just give us some context, what was the price increase like this year? Any receptivity, any pushback, and your expectations from here?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah, without getting into like real specifics, because it does vary based on the businesses and the geographies that we participate in, it was significantly higher than what I'll call a normal price increase would be for Graco, and it has been fully implemented. We're starting to see really good realization. You know, there are obviously some customers that push back, but I would say generally speaking, no 1 was surprised by what we did and the pricing increases and the actions that we've had have been received kind of in line with what we had expected.

Deane Dray
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's all really helpful. Thank you.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Thanks, Deane.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Halloran with Baird. Please state your question.

Mike Halloran
Associate Director of Research and Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Hey, good morning, everyone. First, just high level here. You know, obviously in the outlook, you mentioned that, you know, you're keeping an eye out for where some of these challenges from the macro or geopolitical perspective could impact you. You know, other than the component shortages that you highlighted, particularly on the larger products in the contractor, is there anything you're seeing right now, that concerns you? Or are there any cracks that you're seeing in the order patterns or with any of the, in the product lines, geographies, et cetera? Anything you'd point out specifically?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

You know, I think just what we've said. I mean, we're definitely keeping an eye on the things that we really can't control, like what's going on in Europe and the war and whether that, you know, results in any kind of a slowdown there. Obviously, our numbers, we haven't really seen a whole lot of that happening in our industrial businesses. What we saw in Q1 on CED was really probably more self-inflicted on our part and just not being able to get the right products over there due to the component shortages that we had. That's 1 area that we're keeping a close eye on. The second 1 is China. You know, they've got COVID lockdowns happening in different cities throughout the country, and that's something that hopefully will disappear at some point.

Usually what happens there is when it does disappear, it comes back pretty quickly. But you know, those are probably the 2 things that I would point out to you, at this point that are worth keeping an eye on.

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

I agree with Mark. I would add that, you know, we're tracking interest rates, of course. You know, we've seen intermediate and long rates, you know, move up a bit over, you know, since the beginning of the year. While there's not so much we can do, but on the issue of foreign exchange, you know, so far that's been a modest headwind for us, and we're tracking that.

Mike Halloran
Associate Director of Research and Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Are you seeing any of that hit your order book or customer purchasing patterns like currently? You know, I know-

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

No.

Mike Halloran
Associate Director of Research and Senior Research Analyst, Baird

A lot of those things are things we're keeping an eye on. Okay. No though, right?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

No. Not yet.

Mike Halloran
Associate Director of Research and Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Okay. All right, that makes sense. On the capital deployment side, maybe just some thoughts. I know you guys have elevated internally how you're thinking about the M&A side of things. You know, maybe just an update on the funnel and how you're thinking about that, but then also willingness to think about buybacks on a larger scale, given the backdrop.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I'll let David handle the buyback question, and I'll talk about M&A. I mean, for sure, we've put it on the radar for our teams that we'd like to see a little more activity on external growth as an organization. We have hired a leader for our corporate development group. He started, you know, fairly recently, so you know, we're in early days here. We do see some nice traction, I guess, within the divisions. At least we're starting to talk about M&A more, and we're looking at creating some pipelines and things like that. We did do a small deal in the quarter that you probably saw. It was another.

Mike Halloran
Associate Director of Research and Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Company that was related to our semiconductor business. They make sort of high-purity fluid handling, valves and cylinders and spray guns and things like that. It's a nice complementary business, for that particular segment. It's small, so it's not really gonna move the needle, but I would say that, you know, we're hoping to have a little bit more growth out of M&A here, you know, over the next 5 years or so during our planning horizon, and we'll see what happens. Then I'll let David talk about share buybacks.

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

I think that in terms of the financial capacity for the company, the acquisition activity that Mark's talking about, we have good dry powder for that. We also have the dry powder to evaluate the other components of our uses of cash, and that includes stock buybacks. We believe that, you know, certainly share creep is something to be avoided, and we took steps in the Q1 to manage what we think is going to be the share creep exposure or approximately so for the current year. I think that, you know, we will be following the movements in stock price closely as we always do.

In the event there are opportunities, based on pricing, I think that we won't be shy about, you know, taking steps that we think are consistent with our long-term value approach. As I think you know, we do track our stock purchases on an ROI basis. When we look back over the last decade, the returns have been very attractive. There are times in markets when industrial companies trade at a bit of a discount, and we want to be ready if and when that opportunity presents.

Mike Halloran
Associate Director of Research and Senior Research Analyst, Baird

Thanks for that. Really appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Summerville with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Thanks. It would be helpful if you're able to somehow parse out a little bit maybe in Q1, how much of the headwind you saw to operating earnings was driven by unabsorbed inflation versus some of the mix challenges you've been referencing throughout, Mark.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I'll start, and if Kathy wants to chime in, I'll let her do so. I think at a high level, like we said in our opening comments, we're really covering the price cost right now with our pricing actions and looking at the costs that came in in the Q1 . In particular, when you look at the contractor business, which is really where you saw the margin rate come down pretty substantially, it was the majority of that decline was really driven by the mix of the products that they sold in the quarter. That's sort of why we tried to highlight these higher-end sprayers as kind of being a main reason for it. Hopefully, as we work our way through the year, those trends equalize.

I don't know if you have anything else to add, Kathy.

Katherine Schoenrock
EVP, Corporate Controller, and Information Systems, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I think that's right. The other thing in there is the currency impacts that we have that are negatively affecting our operating earnings as well.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. That's a good point.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

As a follow-up then with respect to Contractor, is that component availability has that gotten better for those large sprayers? To flip over to Industrial, how should we be thinking about the go-forward margin cadence given the high watermark you set in Q1 despite cost headwinds, despite FX headwind? I mean, that was a pretty strong margin performance there. Thank you.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I think that we're still facing the challenges. Anybody that follows, you know, the industry knows that getting electronic components, which is really mostly what we're talking about, you know, the chips and then the motors too, is still challenging for us. Our teams are working really hard, and I have high confidence that we're doing everything that we can, but we haven't seen a meaningful shift, I would say, in terms of our ability to get components in here. We are shipping those products out, but we'd like to be able to do it at a much higher rate if possible. On the industrial side, I mean, yeah, they've had tremendous earnings growth here in the quarter and really good leverage.

you know, I don't see any real reason why, as long as they can continue to put points on the board on the top line, that the bottom line should really suffer from here.

Matt Summerville
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jeff Hammond
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Hey, Jeff.

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

Morning.

Jeff Hammond
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hey, just on, you know, these kind of components that are in short supply, particularly Contractor, that's delaying kind of shipments on the large sprayers. Are you seeing that get worse, or what's your line of sight that you'll be able to start to catch up there?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

It hasn't gotten worse, but it hasn't really gotten better either. I think it's sort of the same as what we were experiencing in Q1 is kind of what we're seeing right here today.

Jeff Hammond
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Just on price, I guess, you know, we're seeing kind of, you know, post the war start, you know, kind of a re-acceleration and a lot of inflation. I'm just wondering what your confidence is that, you know, this kind of Jan 1 price increase captures all that inflation. If we see more, you know, do you change your tack and put through another price increase, or do you wait again?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah, I'd say right now we're in good shape. Beyond right now, I don't have great visibility into what's gonna happen, you know, 3-6 months from now. We do like playing the long game on pricing. I don't really see us moving meaningfully away from that. I never like to say never about anything, but for now, I think we're gonna stick with our current plan and hopefully, our pricing actions that we did here in early 2022 are enough to help us out throughout the year.

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I would agree with everything that Mark elaborated on. I would add when we look at the impact of pricing in the Q1 on our actual business, I've been impressed with the realization that we've seen. We've seen it in all the segments. When you consider that at the same time, we were working through a big chunk of our December 2021 backlog, I think that's particularly impressive. I'm feeling good, very good at the moment about how pricing's gonna contribute to results over the balance of the year.

Jeff Hammond
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay, great. Then just last 1 on Contractor. If you look in the orders, you know, 'cause I understand, you know, unit volumes were probably negative, but seems more of a supply than a demand issue. If we look at Contractor order rates, if you kind of X out price, are you still seeing growth in unit volumes?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I mean, orders were solid in the quarter, and, you know, you saw the big increase in the backlog. We haven't really seen any kind of a major change there. It's still pretty good business for some of the things that we talked about, a good market for painters in general.

Jeff Hammond
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks so much.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you have a question at this time, please press star then one. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Buscaglia with Berenberg. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Andrew Buscaglia
Senior Equity Research Analyst – US Capital Goods / US Industrials, Berenberg Capital Markets

Hey, guys. I was hoping you could give a little bit more colour on, just on the dynamics in industrial, 'cause that's been so strong for quite a while now. And specifically like in terms of managing inventory and the pricing dynamics as it relates to, you know, this table that you guys present every year about how 40% of your sales have, you know, average number of units sold 0-1 a day. I would think in industrial, that would be a, like, a very big benefit to this, in this type of environment, and you know, lends credibility that there's legs to this industrial cycle. Is that fair to say? Can you just talk a little bit about how that impacts that business?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I mean, I think the pricing actions that we took in Industrial are being realized, and they're showing up in the incremental margins. I also feel pretty good about our ability to manage, you know, the complexities of, you know, which products we actually have to sell given the breadth of our SKUs, and as you indicated, how sales actually play out in that space. You know, so far this year, I think they're on very solid footing.

Andrew Buscaglia
Senior Equity Research Analyst – US Capital Goods / US Industrials, Berenberg Capital Markets

That's fair to say for the Process segment as well, like same type of dynamics playing out?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yes, more or less, the same. Kind of, you know, sell through distribution, industrial end markets, complex product lines, but, you know, something that we all feel pretty good about right now.

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

Yeah. I mean, I think that.

Andrew Buscaglia
Senior Equity Research Analyst – US Capital Goods / US Industrials, Berenberg Capital Markets

And then just-

David Lowe
CFO and Treasurer, Graco Inc.

I was just gonna say, yeah, I mean, it's not that pricing power is unlimited. There is a market, but the industrial and process products generally that go into manufacturing arenas are mission-critical pieces of equipment. When the end user needs them, he typically needs them now. The channel, while very competent and capable, is typically not a stocking channel. It, you know, is part of the overall company's value proposition that, yes, as we strive and to do a good job with customer service and deliveries. Over the long haul, we think that has justified that perhaps the premium you see on many of our products.

Andrew Buscaglia
Senior Equity Research Analyst – US Capital Goods / US Industrials, Berenberg Capital Markets

Yeah. In industrial, when you see a kind of an eye-catching, you know, 36.4% operating margin, over 60% incremental margin, that's, you do think that is somewhat sustainable as long as the volumes are there, right?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. If the volumes are there, I think we feel good about that. I don't see profitability really taking a step back at this point. I think they're in really good shape.

Andrew Buscaglia
Senior Equity Research Analyst – US Capital Goods / US Industrials, Berenberg Capital Markets

Yeah. Okay. Thank you, guys.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Thomas Johnson with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thomas Johnson
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi. Thanks. Just kind of honing in on the Contractor business and just in terms of how we should think about, you know, the kind of deferred demand from that component shortages in the EMEA region. You know, I guess firstly, is it safe to assume that, you know, if those supply chain issues had been remedied, that, you know, sales there would've at least been flat on a year-over-year basis? Just kind of adding color to that, you know, were those component shortages worse than you had initially anticipated kind of exiting Q4 of last year?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah. It's hard to know exactly what would've happened, but for sure we would've shipped a lot more product out the door 'cause we've got large backlog in Contractor. It's, you know, over $100 million, and our team there is doing everything they can to get as much product out the door as they can every single day while chasing a lot of these component shortages. In terms of whether things have gotten, you know, different from the end of the Q4 , I would probably say not really. I mean, I think that even at the end of last year, we were faced with a lot of these challenges, and we sorta knew going into the year that this could be an ongoing situation.

You know, it's pretty much prevalent across most of industrial America today, that getting certain various components is a big challenge. I know what we are doing here at Graco, and we're doing everything we can to source, and in some cases, we're actually redesigning some of the products. We've got our engineering teams looking at alternative ways to manufacture the products to get more product out the door. Very confident that we're doing all hands on deck, and everyone's working hard on this issue.

Thomas Johnson
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Last 1 on that. The kind of outlook for the rest of the year for that segment, are you guys assuming that those component shortages start to ease or just kind of remain as is, in your base case outlook?

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Yeah, I think we think they're gonna stay kinda where they are for a while, but hopefully by the end of the year, we start to see things loosen up a little bit.

Thomas Johnson
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks. That's all for me.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

Great.

Operator

Thank you. If there are no further questions, I will now turn the conference over to Mark Sheahan.

Mark Sheahan
President and CEO, Graco Inc.

All right. Well, thank you very much for participating in today's call and look forward to chatting with you next time.

Operator

This concludes our conference for today. Thank you for participating. Have a nice day. All parties may now disconnect.

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