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Earnings Call: Q3 2016

Oct 26, 2016

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to your Garmin third quarter earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press star then zero on your touch-tone telephone. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Teri Seck. Ma'am, you may begin.

Teri Seck
Director of Investor Relations, Garmin

Good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you to Garmin Ltd.'s third quarter 2016 earnings call. Please note that the earnings, press release, and related slides are available at Garmin's investor relations site on the internet at www.garmin.com/stock. An archive of the webcast and related transcript will also be available on our webcast site. This earnings call includes projections and other forward-looking statements regarding Garmin Ltd. and its business. Any statements regarding our future financial position, revenues, earnings, market shares, product introductions, future demand for our products, and objectives are forward-looking statements. The forward-looking events and circumstances discussed in this earnings call may not occur, and actual results could differ materially as a result of risk factors affecting Garmin. Information concerning these risk factors is contained in our Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

this morning are Cliff Pemble, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Doug Boessen, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Cliff Pemble.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thanks, Teri, and good morning, everyone. As announced earlier today, Garmin reported third quarter results highlighted by both revenue and EPS growth, with four of our five business segments delivering double-digit sales growth and increased profitability. Consolidated revenue increased 6% year-over-year, with fitness, outdoor, marine, and aviation collectively growing 24%, while contributing 70% of total revenue and 84% of total operating income in the quarter. Each of our business segments produced strong results, which I will highlight shortly. Gross margin expanded to 56.2% from 53.3% in the prior year as sales shifted towards products with higher margin profiles. Operating margin expanded to 22.1% from 18.5% in the prior year, and operating income grew 27% on a consolidated basis. These strong results generated $0.66 of GAAP EPS. Pro forma EPS came in at $0.75, an increase of 47% over the prior year.

Wearable products were a major contributor to our strong third quarter performance, and we continue to expand into new product categories with the launch of the vívofit jr. and the fēnix Chronos. I will highlight segment-specific results and initiatives. Starting with fitness, revenue increased 32% year-over-year, led by strong demand for our wearables. Gross margin came in at 55%, and operating margin was 24%, an expansion of more than 500 basis points over the prior year. Operating income grew 68% in the quarter. During the quarter, we expanded our market with the launch of the vívofit jr. This activity tracker is designed specifically for kids with colorful one-piece bands that fit comfortably on a child's wrist. Vívofit jr.

shares many of the unique differentiators of our vívofit line, such as an always-on display, fully waterproof design, and one-year battery life, while adding a compelling parent-controlled mobile app that helps motivate kids to stay active. We also launched the Forerunner 35, bringing Garmin Elevate wrist heart rate technology to our entry-level running product line. The Forerunner 35 features GPS, multiple activity profiles, smart alerts, and a new high-resolution display that is perfect for both indoor and outdoor use. In the corporate health market, we recently announced a partnership with Cerner, a health information technology company. Through this partnership, Garmin will provide devices that capture powerful health and wellness data that can be integrated into Cerner's wellness and population health solutions. At outdoor, revenue increased 28% year-over-year on strong demand for our outdoor wearables and contributions from our recently acquired DeLorme subsidiary.

The outdoor segment generated strong gross and operating margins of 63% and 35%, respectively, and operating income grew 32% over the year-ago quarter. We recently launched the fēnix Chronos, our first offering in the luxury watch category. The fēnix Chronos line is crafted from premium, jewelers-grade materials, and is designed to look spectacular in any business, social, or personal setting without sacrificing the rugged multi-sport capabilities associated with our brand. We continue to invest in our traditional outdoor product lines, as evidenced by the recent launch of the Rino 700 series, which features a three-inch multi-touch display and Bluetooth connectivity for real-time weather and position reporting. At marine, revenue increased 12% year-over-year, driven by growth in multiple product lines and led by strong demand for our fish finders. Gross margin increased to 57% in the quarter, while operating margin expanded to 15%.

Operating income grew 80% in the quarter. For the second consecutive year, we were recognized by the National Marine Electronics Association as Manufacturer of the Year. This award, along with seven Product of Excellence awards, confirms our dedication to designing, manufacturing, and selling industry-leading products for the marine market. In addition, at the International BoatBuilders' Exhibition, we received an innovation award for our recently launched Fantom solid-state radar. At aviation, revenue grew 14% over the prior year as we experienced growth in both OEM and aftermarket product categories. Gross and operating margins remained strong at 75% and 28%, respectively, resulting in a 28% increase in operating income. During the quarter, we received certification of the G5000-equipped Beechjet 400A, and we began deliveries of this system to installers.

We announced earlier this week that we were developing a G5000 integrated flight deck upgrade for the Citation Excel and the XLS. This upgrade will feature three high-resolution displays, a modern fully digital flight control system, and enhanced safety features. We expect to receive certification of this system in late 2018. Looking finally at the Auto segments, revenue were down 21% in the quarter, primarily due to the ongoing PND market contraction and headwinds caused by revenue deferrals associated with certain Auto OEM programs. Gross margin came in at 44%, and operating margin was consistent year-over-year at 12%. While the PND market continues to decline, our global market share remains strong. During the quarter, we launched our latest action camera, the VIRB Ultra 30. This new action camera at 30 frames per second.

The VIRB Ultra 30 also includes first-to-market features such as voice control, color LCD with touch screen, one-touch live streaming, and our G-Metrix sensors. Finally, with three quarters of the year behind us, we are raising our projected revenue for the year to $2.95 billion, up approximately 5% over 2015. We are projecting gross margin of approximately 55% and operating income of approximately $580 million for the year. Factoring in an effective tax rate of approximately 18.5%, pro forma earnings per share is expected to be approximately $2.65. Looking at our guidance by segment, we have increased year-over-year growth expectations by roughly 200 to 400 basis points for all segments except Auto, where we are holding our guidance of down 17% for the year. That concludes my remarks. Next, Doug will walk you through additional details on our financial results. Doug?

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Thanks, Cliff. Good morning, everyone. I'd begin by reviewing our third quarter results, then move to comments on the balance sheet and cash flow statement. We posted revenue of $722 million for the third quarter, representing a 6% increase year-over-year. Gross margin was 56.2%, a 290 basis point increase from the prior year. Operating expense percentage of sales was 34.1%, a 70 basis point decrease from the prior year. Operating income was $160 million, a 28% increase over the prior year. Operating margin was 22.1%, a 360 basis point increase from the prior year. Our GAAP EPS was $0.66, a 6% growth the prior quarter. Our pro forma EPS was $0.75, a 47% growth the prior quarter. We'll discuss gross margin, operating expenses in more detail later. Next, we will look at third quarter revenue by segment.

During the third quarter, we achieved double-digit growth in four of five segments, led by robust growth in our Fitness and Outdoor segments, and solid growth in our Marine and Aviation segments. Collectively, these four segments were up 24% compared to the prior year quarter. Looking next at the third quarter revenue charts. The Auto segment represented 30% of our total third quarter 2016 revenue, compared to 40% in the third quarter of 2015. Fitness grew to 26% of revenue in the current period, compared to 21% the prior year. Our Outdoor grew to 19% from 16%. As you see on the charts that illustrate our profit mix by segment, Outdoor, Fitness, Marine, and Aviation collectively delivered 84% of operating income in the third quarter of 2016. Fitness operating income as a percentage of total operating income increased from 21% to 28%, and Outdoor increased from 29% to 31%.

Looking at year-over-year gross margin by segment. All segments posted a gross margin rate increase as sales shifted toward products with higher margin profiles. Total corporate operating margin increased from 18.5% to 22.1%, primarily due to gross margin improvement. Looking next at operating expenses. Third quarter operating expense increased by approximately $9 million or 4%. Research and development increased $10 million year-over-year, but was flat as a percent of sales. We continue to invest in innovation with increasing resources focused primarily on aviation, fitness, and outdoor. Our advertising expense decreased $4 million to the prior quarter, representing 4.6% of sales, a 90 basis point decrease. The decrease in advertising was primarily in auto. We expect our fourth quarter advertising spend to increase both sequentially and year-over-year to support our wearable products.

SG&A was up $3 million compared to the prior quarter, however, decreased 40 basis points as a percent of sales to 13.4%. The increase in SG&A was driven primarily by expenses associated with the addition of the DeLorme business. A few highlights on the balance sheet, cash flow statement, and taxes. We ended the quarter with cash and marketable securities over $2.4 billion. Cash received will decrease sequentially as a result of seasonally lower sales in the third quarter, but increase year-over-year to $461 million from stronger sales. Our inventory balance increased sequentially to $535 million prepared for the fourth quarter, remains higher year-over-year due to new product offerings. In the third quarter of 2016, we generated free cash flow of $199 million, a $75 million increase over the third quarter of 2015.

Also, during the quarter, we paid dividends of approximately $96 million and purchased approximately $20 million of company stock. We have roughly $103 million remaining in the share purchase program, which is authorized through December 31, 2016. We expect to repurchase as business and market conditions warrant. Effective tax rate was 16.5% in the current quarter, compared to 27.6% in the prior quarter. The decrease in effective tax rate was primarily due to projected income mix by jurisdiction compared to prior year. This concludes our formal remarks. Esther, could you please open the line for Q&A?

Operator

Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you have a question, please press star, then the number 1 key on your touch-tone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Our first question comes the line of Joe Wittine with Longbow Research. Your line is now open.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Hi. Thanks. Congratulations. Obviously, that top-line number ex auto is impressive. First question, the implied fourth quarter guide assumes a really healthy uptick in operating expenses. I think, Doug, you touched upon it quickly, but can you talk about where that falls on a segment basis and walk us in a little bit more detail through the rationale? I'm guessing it's just a lot of ad spend for the holiday season, but I wonder-

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Yes

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

if there's anything else in there.

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Yeah, you're exactly right. For the Q4, advertising will be higher dollars as well as a percentage of sales year-over-year. When we think about advertising for the full year, we think advertising as a percentage of sales will be comparable to 2015. Also, a few additional things in operating expenses, one of which is the 53rd week we previously talked about the last quarter, which we have, as well as we have additional expenses due to DeLorme acquisition.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

With that, because I assume it's mostly focused in fitness, do you expect op profits within the segment to grow in the fourth quarter, either sequentially or year-over-year, however you want to talk about it?

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

We don't give that type of a guidance.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay, fair enough. Maybe moving on for a follow-up here. VIRB isn't discussed much, but the new product is impressive with some first to market features, as you said, and some unique features still as well. Curious what you're seeing, if anything, from a share perspective now that the product's in the market, since new products are showing up from the main competitor there as well. Thanks.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yeah, Joe. Definitely it's early days in terms of VIRB. We do have somewhat limited distribution, mostly online, and as we talked about before, the market is very mature with an entrenched dominant competitor. Initially, our feeling is it's doing well compared to our expectations, but we're admittedly taking a conservative view.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay, fair enough. I'll step aside. Thanks, Cliff.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Charlie Anderson with Dougherty & Company. Your line is now open.

Charlie Anderson
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Yeah, thanks for taking my questions, and my congrats as well on really strong results.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thanks, Charlie.

Charlie Anderson
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Yeah. Just looking at the fitness guide, you guys raised it by 200 basis points for the year, so it assumes a pretty healthy slowdown into Q4, coming off these 30% growths down to 15% or so, and you do get that extra week. I wondered if you could maybe speak to why you're assuming that larger slowdown. I think you do get an easier comp too. Just generally how you're feeling about the category, both running, activity tracker, how the holiday season looks compared to last year competitive-wise, shelf space-wise, promotional, any other color there would be helpful.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Okay, yeah. We feel good about the fourth quarter. We would highlight that we're up against stronger comparables from last year when we launched very strong products, the Forerunner 235 and the vívosmart HR, particularly. This year, we're comping against those and just anticipating a competitive market.

Charlie Anderson
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

On aviation, you guys did update, strong quarter, and you updated your growth there. Just generally how you're feeling about that market. I think generally the market still seems fairly soft, but maybe some of the platforms you're on doing a little bit better. How should we think about the long-term outlook for aviation for you guys right now?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

I think currently, the macro outlook is somewhat soft, as you've pointed out. We feel like we've been able to do well, particularly driven by ADS-B products as well as the pull-through of other products that we sell in addition to ADS-B when somebody upgrades their panel. I think long term, we're feeling good about aviation and the opportunities that are there. It will take some time to play out and investment to get there.

Charlie Anderson
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Thanks so much.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thanks, Charlie.

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Simona Jankowski with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Simona Jankowski
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yes. Hi. I just wanted to ask you about your expectations into the fourth quarter, in terms of shelf space with retailers compared to last year, and also promotional activity that you expect from your retailer partners. Then with all the recent introductions over the last couple of quarters, was this September quarter still one where you were benefiting from net inventory additions into the channel, or was sell-in and sell-through more closely aligned?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yes. In terms of the first question, we believe our shelf space actually has improved over what we had last year. For instance, this year we have expanded shelf space in Best Buy stores in their top 220 stores, going from four feet to eight feet, with four feet in other stores. That was an improvement over last year. We have additional space, for instance, for vívofit jr. in many retailers. In general, we feel pretty good about our shelf space situation. Retailers, we believe, are getting behind the products in terms of flyers and promotions and specials for the holidays, so we feel good about that. In terms of sell-in and sell-through balance, we feel like things are fairly well-balanced right now. We did have some product introductions in the quarter, such as the Forerunner 35 and the vívofit jr.

In general, those were somewhat limited sell-in in Q3, and we expect additional sell-in to occur in Q4.

Simona Jankowski
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thanks, Simona.

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Brad Erickson with Pacific Crest. Your line is now open.

Brad Erickson
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Thanks for taking my questions. Relative to mix, can you give us a sense of what ASPs did directionally for fitness year-over-year, and how significant that was contributing to this growth we're seeing?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Well, I think we are selling a number of products that are higher ASP, particularly in what we would call our tracker category, although the categories are somewhat blurring in terms of the lines between them. For instance, we have the vívoactive HR this year, which is a mid-$200 category for us, but it is generally tracked as a tracker product. We're also doing very well on the running side with mid to higher range devices. That's balanced by increased volume and lower ASPs on basic trackers. Overall, we think that we've done well in those other categories.

Brad Erickson
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Okay. Then geographically, can you just rank order the contributors that drove the fitness growth that we're seeing? Thanks.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Well, we're seeing growth across the globe in all major regions. It has been particularly strong in Europe, where the market is behind in its development compared to that of particularly North America, and we also saw strong growth in APAC.

Brad Erickson
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Got it. Thanks.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thanks, Brad.

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Tavis McCourt with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Tavis McCourt
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, thanks, Cliff, for taking my question, and good quarter. First on the aviation segment, obviously, your commentary seems a little different than your two largest competitors who seem to have some bigger struggles there. Your Q4 guidance on aviation seems to suggest more of a flattish quarter year-over-year. Was there timing of shipments that positively impacted this quarter, or better execution on ADS-B or any commentary around why the higher growth rate this quarter? If you could comment, Doug, on foreign currency, specifically the pound. Is that a big enough move yet given your limited exposure there to impact the fourth quarter guide? Thanks.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

In terms of our experience in the aviation market, I think one of the things we see is the growth in the ADS-B category. That did go very well for us in Q3, and it had second order effects as we sold additional products and display systems into cockpits that were getting ADS-B upgrades. That drove a big part of the overall growth in the aviation side. In terms of Q4 and our outlook there, the market has been soft for a long time, we're taking somewhat of a conservative approach as we look at Q4 and just wait and see how the market develops.

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Yes. Regarding the FX impact for Q3, we saw about $6 million of a revenue headwind, primarily due to the pound. Given some of the increased weakness there, we probably anticipate a little bit more than that going into Q4. I should say also that the percentage of our business, depending upon the pound, is about 5%, so it's not a significant percentage of our business.

Tavis McCourt
Analyst, Raymond James

Great. If I could ask a quick follow-up, Cliff, on the ADS-B. Those are, at a standalone product, relatively low ASP. Should we think about that as lower gross margin business? If you're able to effectively use that to cross-sell, to sell bigger retrofit systems, then it becomes a much bigger positive impact to Garmin. Is that a good way to think about it?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

We feel like the gross margin is consistent. It's in line with the overall segment, so not really a lower margin category for us.

Tavis McCourt
Analyst, Raymond James

Great. Thanks very much.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Jerry Liu with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Jerry Liu
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks. First question on gross margin. If I look at the December quarter, full-year guidance implies about a 52% gross margin, down a little over four points sequentially. Historically, fourth quarter tends to be a little bit lower sequentially, but this year seems to be a bigger magnitude than the last few years. I wanted to see what are the main reasons. Is it product mix? Do you anticipate more promotions? Anything else?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yeah. In terms of overall gross margin, we do see both mix and promotional activities as driving the lower gross margin. Of course, promotional activities drive the margin by product categories and then mix of categories in terms of the sales volume, each one drives the overall situation mix.

Jerry Liu
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Maybe just a bigger picture question. When you look at some of your fitness tracker competitors, like Apple recently, Aetna announced that they will subsidize Apple Watches, and Fitbit just hired a new VP of digital health. Seems like your competitors are looking at pilots and partnerships with insurers and others in the healthcare industry. I wanted to get your take on that. What's your strategy? Do you see any opportunities to get into either the healthcare space or to work more with employers to subsidize some of these devices? Thank you.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Well, as we mentioned in the remarks, we are pursuing that kind of business as well. We partnered with Cerner recently. We also have partnerships with insurance companies like Manulife and others, and we also do deals with individual corporations as well. It's an opportunity we're pursuing.

Operator

Our next question comes line of Will Power with Robert W. Baird. Your line is now open.

Will Power
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Great. Thanks. Yeah, just a couple of questions. Maybe just to come back to fitness. You had a couple of these high-profile launches. You had the second generation Apple Watch that has GPS for the first time. I guess I wonder whether you've seen any impact on your running watch business, since it's at least somewhat more of a competitor with GPS, or is it still too early? I guess likewise with the new Fitbit devices, I wonder if you could any commentary around share shifts, et cetera, that you might be seeing there.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yeah. In terms of the recent developments with the Apple Watch and GPS, as you point out, it is still early days, but at this point, we don't see any detectable impact. I think we've said in the past that our products tend to appeal to a slightly different audience than the Apple Watch, although there is some overlap, generally that's true. That's the way we see things right now, of course, we'll see how things develop. In terms of the new Fitbit launches, in terms of our market share, we feel like it's generally stable. They've released new products, of course, and they have very strong share, but ours has also remained about where it was. We think it's in the 10% range.

Will Power
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Okay. Just on the auto business, it seems like we've seen a bit of an acceleration in the year-over-year declines. I guess I wonder if you had any more color on the drivers of that, is this somewhat of an anomaly looking at the past couple of quarters, or is this 20% kind of year-over-year decline, is this perhaps a new normal?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yeah. I think we did see the softness earlier in the year, and last quarter, we updated our guidance to be slightly more down than what we had previously projected. The weaknesses are primarily driven in Europe, where the market has gotten softer. We think for the fourth quarter that there'll be some opportunity to kind of flatten that curve a little bit with promotional activity, but it is somewhat of a wait-and-see situation.

Will Power
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Okay, thanks.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Ben Bollin of Cleveland Research. Your line is now open.

Ben Bollin
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Good morning. Thanks, Cliff, Doug, Teri. Appreciate the question.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Thank you.

Ben Bollin
Analyst, Cleveland Research

The first item, when you look at the fitness business, how would you characterize the organic growth of the market as a whole? Then kind of beyond the organic growth of the market, how would you say what's the benefit from incremental shelf space or stores versus kind of product refresh and expanded SKUs as you've expanded deeper into that category?

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yeah. In terms of organic growth, there is multiple categories within fitness, from the low-end trackers on up to high-end running watches. We've seen growth in those categories on a global basis, market growth, if you will, over the past year. I think some markets are more mature than others, as I mentioned earlier. The situation is probably different in Americas versus Europe versus APAC. Generally, the market has been growing. In terms of benefits, I think, again, depends on category, but new product releases always generate excitement for sure. At the same time, shelf space is vitally important. We're working hard to have both good shelf space presence in retailers as well as strong product offerings.

Ben Bollin
Analyst, Cleveland Research

When you look at the overlap you characterized with Apple, where do you see the most overlap across your portfolio when you look at Apple? Which specific products or features do you think you have the most overlap? One last follow-up.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Well, I think that's somewhat of a challenge because if you look at our fitness product line, we have one kind of product and the features and the style that's there versus outdoor and our fēnix line, which has yet a different kind of style. Generally, I would say that the kind of customer that overlaps with Garmin would be those that are probably more on the entry-level side to running and activity, and are looking at what kind of device they could use to enhance their performance in running and other kinds of sporting activities. That's generally the customer profile that would be overlapping with us.

Ben Bollin
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Okay. The last item, looking at the aviation business, there was an announcement during the quarter, you're expanding your capacity. What is the company's long-term view on the ability to gain share with OEMs? How are you thinking about the potential timing of winning more business, even in regional commercial opportunities? Last, I apologize, last one on linearity of ADS-B. How do you think about that between now and 2020? Does it build as we approach that? Is it pretty linear between now and then? What's the right way to think about how that grows? Thanks.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

Yeah. In terms of our long-term view, as highlighted by the announcement we made where we're investing in the aviation business, absolutely, we have a strong view for the future of that business. Currently, we're running at near capacity in our current production facilities. In order to meet the anticipated demands of the future, we felt like it was the right time to invest in our facilities. In terms of opportunities to win business, I think there's many opportunities to win business. Our G3000 and G5000 lines are very strong, and we believe that those products should appeal to a broad range of business jet platforms that we are currently not present in.

Regarding the linearity of ADS-B, of course, we're seeing accelerating growth in that area as people become more aware of and interested in complying with the mandate, and we would expect to see stronger growth in ADS-B as we move into 2017 and 2018.

Ben Bollin
Analyst, Cleveland Research

Thank you.

Cliff Pemble
President and CEO, Garmin

All right. Thank you.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from the line of Joe Wittine with Longbow Research. Your line is now open.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Thanks. Appreciate it. In automotive, can you give any sense of what the OEM business looks like on an organic or apples-to-apples basis in light vehicles, to exclude the impact of deferreds?

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Yeah. From auto OEM business, yeah, excluding deferred, basically, we did see some improvement there on a cash basis year-over-year.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay. An improvement, you are growing year-over-year, or the rate of growth is improving, or both?

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Yes, we are improving. Yes. U.S. dollars.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay, got it. Maybe just finally, Doug, a tax rate question. What's a good place to land our 2017 model, given you changed the 2016 number here, given the change in Swiss tax laws we're all monitoring as well?

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

Yeah. We'll actually give guidance on 2017 in February. It's a little too early for that at this point in time.

Joe Wittine
Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay.

Doug Boessen
CFO and Treasurer, Garmin

We'll go through our planning process over the next few months.

Operator

At this time, showing no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

Teri Seck
Director of Investor Relations, Garmin

Thanks, everyone. Doug and I will be available for call back. Have a great day. Bye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.