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Earnings Call: Q1 2014

May 21, 2013

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's The Home Depot first quarter 2013 earnings conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. If you would like to ask a question during today's call, please press the star key followed by the digit 1 on your touch-tone phone. Beginning today's discussion is Ms. Diane Dayhoff, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Diane Dayhoff
VP of Investor Relations, The Home Depot

Thank you, Mary, and thank you. Good morning to everyone. Joining us on our call today are Frank Blake, Chairman and CEO of The Home Depot, Craig Menear, Executive Vice President, Merchandising, and Carol Tomé, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President, Corporate Services. Following our prepared remarks, the call will be open for analyst questions. Questions will be limited to analysts and investors, and as a reminder, we would appreciate it if the participants would limit themselves to one question with one follow-up, please. If we are unable to get to your question during the call, please call our Investor Relations Department at 770-384-2387.

Before I turn the call over to Frank, let me remind you that today's press release and the presentations made by our executives include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified in the release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Today's presentations may also include certain non-GAAP measurements. Reconciliation of these measurements is provided on our website. Let me turn the call over to Frank Blake.

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

Thank you, Diane. I'd like to start by saying our thoughts and prayers are with those who've been stricken by the violent storms in Oklahoma and throughout the Southwest. Our company and our associates are part of these communities, and we'll be working hard to be of help in the days and weeks ahead. On our results. Sales for the first quarter were $19.1 billion, up 7.4% from last year. Comp sales were positive 4.3%, and our diluted earnings per share were $0.83. Our U.S. stores had a positive comp of 4.8%. All three of our U.S. divisions posted positive comps for the quarter. For our northern division in particular, this was a significant accomplishment given the dramatic difference between the unusually warm spring of 2012 and the relatively cold spring of 2013.

Our western division was our best-performing division, driven by double-digit positive comps in most of the major markets in California. Our Florida markets also performed well with comps above the company average. Internationally, our Canadian business had positive comps for the sixth quarter in a row, and our Mexican business had another quarter of positive comps, making it 38 quarters in a row of positive comp growth. As Craig will detail, while weather negatively impacted our seasonal and exterior businesses, our core interior project business remained strong throughout the quarter. This was encouraging and consistent with the view that the housing market is starting on the path to recovery. For the first time in the last several years, the growth rate in our pro customer segment outpaced the growth rate in the consumer segment.

We've been tracking the relative growth rates of our pro and consumer segments as one indicator of the housing recovery. Since 2008, our pro segment has underperformed our consumer segment. Last year, the relative growth rates drew closer, and in the fourth quarter of 2012, they grew at approximately the same pace. Our expectation was that the pro business would accelerate during a housing recovery. This quarter's outperformance from the pro segment is a positive sign. Some of the outperformance was due to the slower growth in our consumer-oriented garden business. Even adjusting for that, the pro segment had a higher growth rate. Our smaller spend pro customers contributed more significantly to the overall pro growth than in the last few years. Our expectation was that we'd see improved performance in the smaller spend pros as the housing market recovers. This is another positive sign.

Our services business had double-digit growth in the quarter, and we're pleased with the integration of MeasureComp and U.S. Home Systems, our two recent services-related acquisitions. Marvin and his team have been able to improve the customer experience both in the home and in the store by bringing these businesses directly into Home Depot. As part of our interconnected retail strategy, we have completed the rollout of Buy Online, Ship to Store. This required an effort across our business from supply chain to merchandising to online to IT and store operations. Our customers now have access to over 300,000 items available for pickup at their convenience in our stores. The growth we've seen from this has been ahead of our expectations. One out of five customers who pick up an order at the store also buys an additional item while there.

We also continued our efforts to improve the overall dot com experience for our customers. We simplified our checkout process, refreshed landing pages, and integrated e-receipts into the site, among other key activities. We're pleased that the online traffic to our site was up almost 50%. As part of that, not surprisingly, mobile traffic more than doubled. The U.S. macro data on housing continues to improve. Private fixed residential investment as a percent of GDP ticked up for the sixth consecutive quarter to 2.7%. Increasing household formation, price appreciation, and higher housing turnover are all positives for our market. Credit availability remains tight and constrains the velocity of the recovery. Last year at our Investors and Analysts Conference, we set out a framework for thinking about the recovery of the housing market and the impact the recovery would have on us.

In 2010 and 2011, we went through a period when our sales were growing, but the housing market was still down or, at best, stabilizing. Our sales performance correlated most directly to overall GDP. Last year, we had an additional modest assist from housing as the market started to improve. We saw that carry through in this past quarter, somewhat stronger than we anticipated after adjusting for weather impacts. As Carol will discuss in more detail, we are therefore revising upwards both our sales and earnings guidance for the year. We remain focused on taking care of our customers and investing in our business and in our associates. I'd like to thank our associates for their hard work and dedication. Based on this quarter's results, roughly 98% of our stores would be in Success Sharing, our profit-sharing program for our hourly associates.

Last year, we had 100% of our U.S. stores make Success Sharing. Our objective is to accomplish that again this year. With that, let me turn the call over to Craig.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Thanks, Frank, good morning, everyone. We are pleased with our performance in the first quarter with strength in our business across the breadth of the store. We had positive comps in all departments except our indoor and outdoor garden departments. The departments that outperformed the company's average comp were kitchens, lumber, tools, plumbing, decor, electrical, bath, flooring, lighting, and hardware. Paint, millwork, and building materials performed positively, while comp sales in indoor and outdoor garden were negative. Spring arrived at various times across the country, and we were ready when it broke. In the Western division, where weather was more normal, we had positive performance in all departments throughout the quarter. In contrast, in the Northern and Southern divisions, where weather was significantly colder than a year ago, spring gardening and outdoor entertaining categories posted negative comps in February and March.

As the weather improved in April, our nimble supply chain and partnership with our store operations and field merchandising teams reacted quickly and maximized demand spikes. By taking advantage of these moments of opportunity, we were able to post positive performance in our garden business across all divisions in April. Inside the home, we continue to gain momentum in simple decor. In flooring, customer response to our soft spring carpet, new floor tiles, and Fusion Pro helped drive department comp above the company average. In bath, our lineup of Moen and Delta foundation faucets, as well as new vanities from Glacier Bay, were the drivers of our performance. We continue to see strong results in lighting as customers transition to LED bulbs and light fixtures.

In maintenance and repair categories, we continue to see strength with comps above the company average in wiring devices, safety and security, plumbing repair, pipe and fitting, tools, hand tools, power tool accessories, cleaning, and door locks. Total comp transactions grew by 0.1% for the quarter, overcoming significant downward pressure from our seasonal business. Transactions for tickets under $50, representing approximately 20% of our U.S. sales, were down 1.6% for the first quarter, principally due to our garden business. In contrast, in the month of April, we were able to drive positive transactions, including tickets under $50. Transactions for tickets over $900, also representing approximately 20% of our U.S. sales, were up 9.7% in the first quarter. Average ticket increased 5% in the first quarter. The drivers behind our average ticket growth were the strength in appliances, as well as continued improvement from our pro business.

Our average ticket increase was also impacted somewhat by commodity price inflation, mainly from lumber and copper, which contributed approximately 120 basis points to comp. Let me turn our attention to the second quarter. We're introducing new technology and paint from Behr with our new line of Marquee exterior paint and primer. This new paint creates a tough, non-stick surface that resists dirt and offers advanced fade performance for longer-lasting color, all backed by a lifetime guarantee. Our exclusive Marquee paint resists rain showers as early as 60 minutes after application and can be applied in lower temperatures, which are great features for our pro customer. Also in paint for our professional customer, we are introducing new paint sprayers from Graco. We have an incredible lineup of great values and special buys, as well as innovative products for Memorial Day.

We are introducing the first battery-powered trimmer that converts to a corded trimmer so that you never run out of power from Ryobi. In store now, we have the Pennington Smart Feed Sprayer System. Without measuring, pouring, or mixing, this system delivers even feeding every time and puts out more nutrients than competing products while using less water. For our Father's Day and Fourth of July events, we also have an extensive lineup of great values and special buys. These events, along with our superior execution in the stores, will generate a lot of excitement in the second quarter. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Carol

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Thank you, Craig, hello, everyone. In the first quarter, sales were $19.1 billion, a 7.4% increase from last year. As you will recall, fiscal 2012 had a 53rd week, which shifted our fiscal 2013 calendar. By starting fiscal 2013 one week later than last year, we had an additional week of spring sales. The calendar shift contributed approximately 320 basis points of year-over-year sales growth. On a like-for-like basis, comps or same-store sales were positive 4.3% for the quarter, with positive comps of 4.6% in February, negative 3.5% in March, and positive 9.9% in April. Comps for U.S. stores were positive 4.8% for the quarter, with positive comps of 4.8% in February, negative 3% in March, and positive 10.8% in April. The monthly variation in our comps was due primarily to weather, which impacted our garden department, as well as the timing of Easter.

As Craig mentioned, every department, with the exception of our garden departments, reported a positive comp in the quarter. Sales related to Hurricane Sandy were approximately $145 million in the second quarter, $30 million higher than the storm sales we realized from Hurricane Irene in the same period last year. As the rebuilding continues, we believe we will see some additional storm-related sales in the second quarter. Our total company gross margin was 34.9% for the quarter, an increase of 20 basis points from last year. This gross margin expansion came from our U.S. business and can be attributed to the following. First, our shrink efforts are gaining traction as we realized 11 basis points of gross margin expansion due to better shrink performance than one year ago.

Second, we experienced approximately 20 basis points of gross margin expansion due to the impact of recently acquired businesses, which are gross margin accretive. Third, we experienced approximately 10 basis points of gross margin contraction due to a change in mix of products sold. For the year, we continue to expect moderate gross margin expansion. In the first quarter, operating expense as a percent of sales decreased by 112 basis points to 24%. Total operating expenses grew at a factor of 35% of our sales growth, better than our original guidance, due principally to the sales environment. Interest and other expense was $161 million for the first quarter, an increase of $77 million over the same period last year due to the following factors.

First, in the first quarter of 2012, we had a $67 million benefit arising from the termination of a third-party loan guarantee that did not repeat in 2013. Second, our net interest expense was $10 million higher than last year, due for the most part to interest associated with $2 billion of incremental debt issued in April of 2013. Our income tax provision rate was 36.6% in the first quarter, and we expect our income tax provision rate to be approximately 37% for the year. Diluted earnings per share for the first quarter were $0.83, an increase of 22.1% from last year. Moving to our operational metrics. During the first quarter, we opened one new store in Mexico for an ending store count of 2,257.

At the end of the first quarter, selling square footage was 235 million, and total sales per square foot for the first quarter were $328, up 7.8% from last year. Now turning to the balance sheet. At the end of the quarter, inventory was $11.8 billion, up approximately 2% from a year ago. Inventory turns were 4.4 times, up from 4.3 times last year. We ended the quarter with $44.2 billion in assets, including $4.3 billion in cash. In the first quarter, we repurchased $2.1 billion, or approximately 27.2 million shares of outstanding stock, including 9.1 million shares through open market repurchases and 18.1 million shares through an accelerated share repurchase program. The shares acquired under the accelerated share repurchase program are an initial calculation. The final number of shares repurchased will be determined upon completion of the program in the second quarter.

In April, we issued $2 billion of long-term debt at a record low blended coupon of 3.45%. At the end of the quarter, our adjusted debt to EBITDAR ratio was 1.8 times against a target of two times, giving us approximately $2 billion in additional borrowing capacity. We have no plans to issue incremental debt in the second quarter, but if conditions warrant, we may look to do so in the back half of the year. Computed on the average of beginning and ending long-term debt and equity for the trailing four quarters, return on invested capital was 17.7%, 230 basis points higher than the first quarter of fiscal 2012. Continued strong performance in the core of the store drove first quarter sales ahead of our plan.

We know that some garden sales that were deferred in the first quarter will be realized in the second quarter. While the forecast for GDP growth in the U.S. hasn't changed materially, housing continues to recover. Today, we are lifting our 2013 sales and earnings per share growth guidance, reflecting our first quarter outperformance and our forecast for the second quarter, where we are projecting sales and earnings to be higher than what we originally planned. It is early in the year, we are not changing our forecast for the back half of the year. We now expect fiscal 2013 sales to increase by approximately 2.8%, with positive comps on a 52-week like-for-like basis of approximately 4%. Our updated sales growth guidance, we now expect expenses to grow at 30% of our sales growth rate on a 52-week basis.

For earnings per share, remember that we guide off of GAAP. We now project fiscal 2013 diluted earnings per share to increase approximately 17% to $3.52. This earnings per share guidance includes the $2.1 billion of share purchases completed in the first quarter and our intent to repurchase an additional $4.4 billion in shares over the course of the year. We thank you for your participation in today's call. Mary, we are now ready for questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing *1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Once again, please press *1 to ask a question. We'll take our first question from Dennis McGill from Zelman & Associates.

Dennis McGill
Analyst, Zelman & Associates

Hi, good morning. I guess first question, Carol, I think it was a couple of years ago, you had mentioned an REO turnkey program for banks on the foreclosure side. I think that business is probably still growing. You've got an emergence of single-family rental companies out there as well that are going to be a little bit more institutionalized and maybe national. Can you just talk big picture, kind of what that program looks like today and how you guys are thinking about maybe agreements that could get you into the maintenance side on the single-family part of the business on the rental side?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

I'll start. Marvin, maybe you want to kick in. We're pleased with this business. On a relative basis, Dennis, it's pretty small for us. We are seeing nice growth. We will continue to use our services organization to expand this across the country. What we're more excited about actually is what Frank's commented on, is the strength in our pro business. The REO would not be inside of that pro business necessarily. We're really excited in that regard. Marvin, any color you want to add?

Marvin Ellison
EVP, U.S. Stores, The Home Depot

Dennis, the only thing I'll add is, as you know, the business is shifting from traditional foreclosures with banks to private equity funds going in, purchasing up groups of properties. We're shifting and adjusting. I think Carol's point is most important. This is a small business. It's something that we're very interested in. We think that we have unique competencies with our pro business, with the products we sell. Our key is really two things, leveraging our GC network that we have because we are in the services business and the pro business, also leveraging product pull-through. We want those customers to come to our stores to buy products. Those products to be the fixtures, the faucets, the plumbing, supplies, et cetera, that we put in those homes from a remodel and from a maintenance standpoint.

So far so good. It is a relatively small business.

Dennis McGill
Analyst, Zelman & Associates

Roughly how big would that be today?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

We haven't disclosed that, Dennis.

Dennis McGill
Analyst, Zelman & Associates

Okay. Second question, as you talked about double-digit comps in California for the quarter, can you maybe go into a little bit of detail as far as categories that you see driving that performance? Then maybe Frank, just big picture, how you think about that maybe being a leading indicator to other parts of the country as home price inflation gains momentum as well.

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

Well, let me take the latter first, Dennis. What we've seen over the last several quarters is some of our most hard-hit markets, the markets that were really ground zero of the housing collapse, recover, and that's California, Florida, moving into Arizona, now even Las Vegas and Nevada. It's really part of how badly those markets suffered previously and now starting to return to more normal performance. I'd let Craig and Marvin comment, but I'm not aware of any particular differences in terms of what's being sold in those markets. We're really selling across the store there.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yeah, it really is broad-based. When you look at virtually every department we have, all posted positive growth in the California area. We're very pleased that it's a broad-based sales pattern.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

There's that saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats." The entire business is lifting.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Correct.

Dennis McGill
Analyst, Zelman & Associates

Pretty bullish. Thanks, guys.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Gary Balter with Credit Suisse.

Gary Balter
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Just two questions. One is, could you talk about, you've been doing these different tests with PayPal and other ways of servicing the customer from a payment point of view. Could you discuss where you're going with that? What's been the results of some of the tests, and what are you rolling out, et cetera?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, on the PayPal front, we're very pleased with the year-over-year performance. It actually doubled in penetration. Gary, it's very small. We brought PayPal into our business because our customers wanted to use that as a form of tender. We're delighted to have the relationship with them. As we look ahead, we've got our eyes wide open as to what may be available to retailers from a mobile wallet perspective. There are a number of things that are being talked about. As you know, there's a consortium of retailers. We are not part of that consortium, but we are watching what they're doing. That's MCX. We're watching what they're doing. Obviously, we're watching what Google is doing. There was an announcement today about Google. We're eyes wide open. We want to be with where the customer is going.

We don't necessarily want to lead the way.

Gary Balter
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. Lowe's being part of that consortium doesn't really impact your decisions, right?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Eyes wide open. We want to do the right thing for our customers.

Gary Balter
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. The second question, your productivity now by Simeon's calculation, Lisa, is about 326 per square foot. You peaked out about $100 higher back in the good old days. Just comping in the high singles, you're going to get near there. As you look at your staffing in the stores and the way the store is set now, do you feel like the capacity is fine for getting up to those levels? Do you feel that maybe you'll start stretching your stores again, and you have to start changing the way you come to market a little bit?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, it really depends on the nature of the sales growth. As you know, we forecast sales growth, 50% coming from transactions, 50% coming from ticket growth. As you saw in the first quarter, our growth came from ticket growth.

That has an impact on our staffing model because it's an activity-based staffing model. Marvin, you've got tons of flexibility to do what you need to do to serve the customer.

Marvin Ellison
EVP, U.S. Stores, The Home Depot

Gary, we do, in fact. If you go back to the whole 60/40 Initiative, over the last four years, we've reinvested roughly 500 hours per store per week back to the stores for service. That's a reallocation, not an incremental add. That's really allowed us to continue to sustain a service level while making sure that we respond to the needs of the business. I think Carol's point is very key, and that is we have an activity-based system driven by transactions and ticket. Where sales are picking up, our staffing is increased. We think we'll be in a perfect position to keep up with the trends. We worked hand-in-hand with Craig's team. As we forecast events, new product introductions, we will adjust our staffing to make sure we have customers served in the most appropriate way.

We feel really good about the future and how we can keep up with the business.

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

Gary, the one other point that I'd add to that on the store, we're pleased with the size of our store. We don't see a need to substantially remodel our stores or expand them. The one thing that we're dealing with between Marvin and our supply chain team is Buy Online, Pick Up in Store and Buy Online, Ship to Store. Buy Online, Ship to Store, particularly that we've had some pretty good customer interest in that. We're thinking about how do we segment parts of the store to more efficiently serve that customer who's coming in and has bought online and just wants to pick it up in the store. Marvin and his team are working on, "Gee, what would we do with the store layout?" That's a slight alteration. It's not a remodel.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Here's a really interesting statistic. If you look at the first quarter, 22% of the sales placed online were actually picked up in the store, and 10% of those were BOSS related, Buy Online, Ship to Store related. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah.

Gary Balter
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Aram Rubinson.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Hi, Aram.

Aram Rubinson
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hi. Good morning. A question about traffic and ticket. I see the quarter's entire comp, as you said, came from ticket. There were a number of factors, though, that might have influenced that, such as the week shift and the weather and other things. Can you help us disaggregate some of those factors? I'm trying to get a sense of how the underlying traffic is on a reported basis. Underlying traffic on a comp basis was slightly negative, so I was just trying to get a little context around that.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

I can start, and then Craig, you can add some color. Our comp transactions, as Craig pointed out, were up 0.1%. That's a good number given how we are so heavily penetrated in garden in the first quarter. Our garden business makes up 18% of our total sales. If you look at our comp average ticket, it was up 4.2% year-on-year. If you look at the drivers, it was across all categories. As Craig pointed out, we had about 120 basis points coming from commodity inflation. We had about 70 basis points of growth coming from appliances. Our appliance business is growing quite nicely. The rest was across all categories. Craig, you want to give any more color?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yeah, just to reiterate, when we got into April and actually began to see a more normalized weather pattern, we were able to actually drive the transaction growth in the company. With the garden businesses kicking in and getting to positive growth in the month of April, it significantly helped that, including the lower ticket categories, which grew as well.

Aram Rubinson
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Usually in a cyclical rebound, we see ticket lead the comp. Is that just part of what we're seeing naturally, or do you expect the traffic to be balanced with the ticket in the year ahead?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

We would expect the traffic to come back in the second quarter, of course, because the sales that we didn't get in the first quarter have not been lost. As we look at our garden sales, you recall last year we had a really warm first quarter. We pulled forward about $160 million of garden sales into the first quarter last year. This year, we estimate we lost about $188 million of garden sales, it's not lost forever. Maybe some of it's lost.

Aram Rubinson
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Right.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

We're going to get the majority of that back in the second quarter. With that comes people.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

I think the other factor when you think about the growth in ticket, as we called out over $900 being up 9.7%, the improvement in the pro business is also a factor there.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

That's helping to drive that higher ticket. While we're not back to historical norms, we're seeing improvement in terms of unit productivity and the number of items in a basket with our pro customer.

That's encouraging for us as well.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah.

Aram Rubinson
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Great. All right. Thanks for that thoughtful reply.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Dan Binder with Jefferies.

Dan Binder
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Good morning.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Good morning.

Dan Binder
Analyst, Jefferies

I was wondering if you could just give us your best thoughts on when the seasonal shifts will occur with the, I should say, the weak shift that occurred in Q1, how that plays out across the rest of the year. My second question was just regarding competition, both online and on land, how that's looking these days.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Sure. Let's talk about the seasonal shift, and I'm going to do it on a comp basis. For the first quarter, we told you that the seasonal shift was 320 basis points on a comp basis. In terms of dollars, that was $554 million. Looking at the second quarter, we will actually have a lower comp basis, and it will be lower by about $300 million. If you think about what that means, our comps will be higher in the second quarter than our total sales growth. Looking to the third quarter, there shouldn't be any meaningful difference in the comp basis. Finally, in the fourth quarter, our comp basis should decline by about $100 million. You can call that pretty flat. Hopefully that's helpful.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

As far as the competition, really it's still there. We have plenty out there. Haven't seen anything dramatically different in the last quarter. Clearly, we monitor what's happening in the marketplace and then adjust according to what we see happening.

Dan Binder
Analyst, Jefferies

Great. Thanks.

Operator

We'll take our next question from David Gober with Morgan Stanley.

David Gober
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good morning, guys. Craig, I was just wondering if you could touch a little bit on some of the merchandising initiatives, particularly on the localization front as you ramp into the busy part of the year. Any kind of update on what you're seeing there and how you're expecting that to impact the business, whether that would be contributing to ticket or traffic?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yeah, David, as you know, we've put tools in place to assist our merchants in assorting. We are working on actually delivering enhancements to those capabilities. Right now, we have been developing clusters, so working to do a better job of assorting locally. Probably an example of that would be adjustments in floor tile mix. We had pretty nice performance. We believe that by working with our field merchandising team in conjunction with the merchants here in Atlanta, that those kind of adjustments are paying off for us and seeing it in the performance.

David Gober
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Maybe just a follow-up on the appliance business. I know Carol mentioned that that continues to be strong. Seemed like in the fourth quarter, that was a big call-out as you guys expanded a couple of relationships with vendors. Are you still seeing momentum there as you continue to roll that out? Are you seeing the impact across the store? Is it more localized to the appliance section?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

First of all, let me start. We are pleased with the performance that we are seeing in the appliance business. As Carol called out, it contributed about 70 basis points of comp in the quarter. Our customers are responding to the expanded offering. We completed the initial rollout of our expanded store base, which was 120 stores at the end of last year, and we are moving forward, as we called out last quarter, with an additional 120 stores. The appliance business is an interesting business. It is highly repair-oriented. A lot of appliances break every day in the country. We do see that as a big repair business. It also does complete the kitchen. There is an opportunity on both sides.

David Gober
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got you. Thanks.

Operator

We will take our next question from Christopher Horvers with JPMorgan.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks, and good morning. Carol, I believe you mentioned 18% of sales is historically, you said garden in the first quarter. What was that this year? How does that compare to 2Q? Perhaps, can you expand that bucket? How much would you say is seasonal and outdoor broadly historically in the first and second quarter, including things like grills and patio furniture and outdoor paint and all the outdoor activities?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, the 18% number that I shared with you was the penetration this year. As we pointed out, our comps were negative, so obviously, the penetration was higher last year, slightly higher. Craig, you might want to talk about how we categorize-

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yeah, in terms of outdoor categories in total as we look at it, generally in Q1, that roughly represents about 30% of our business, and it grows to about 35% of our business in Q2.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. I would assume last year that was a lot higher in the first quarter. Is it 200, 300 basis points higher the flip year-to-year, or is it something smaller?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, if you just want to give us a second, we can tell you. The penetration has changed about 200 basis points year-on-year.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

200 basis points year-over-year. Okay. You're just raising, assuming that this seasonal business shifts into the second quarter from the first, the $180 million that you mentioned that you missed this year, that's about 90 basis points. Should we look at the 2Q outlook on a stack basis, or are we just going to sort of assume that the 4.8 domestically, and I get the 90 basis points back of that garden business shifting, or another 200 basis points from the seasonal shift, total outdoor seasonal shift?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, let me share with you how we're thinking about it. The guidance that we've given today, the lift from 2 to 2.8, or on a comp basis, 3 to 4, equates to about $800 million more in sales than we originally planned. Of that $800 million, about $340 million was recognized in the first quarter. That balance, we believe, will come in the second quarter. We get there the following way. First is recovery of garden, and we won't recover everything we lost, but we'll recover the majority. We also believe that we'll have additional sales from Sandy, and these will all be incremental sales. We're projecting $80 million from Sandy. I will tell you, that is a projection. Don't really know. The rest will come from strength across the core of the business. It's May 21st.

Our sales thus far in the month are great, so we feel very comfortable with the guidance that we've given.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks very much.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Lasser with UBS.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. I actually have two. First, it's on the flow of credit to consumers. How are you viewing that dynamic within the broader macro environment as influencing your sales? Is that starting to happen, which is a driver, or do you expect that that's still on the horizon, that'll happen down the road? I have a follow-up.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Michael, the question is on consumer credit?

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

Yeah. Is it starting to flow? We saw in the fourth quarter, home equity lines were still down year-over-year. What do you think is fostering all this good growth that you're seeing?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Interestingly, we did see improved penetration on our private label cards in the quarter. The penetration increased 119 basis points to 22.9%. If we look by category where we saw that growth, it was driven by our kitchen department, our millwork department, and our plumbing department, some of our strongest year-over-year growth departments. That's good news. I will tell you, our approval rates continue to decline principally because people are coming off the sidelines with lower FICO scores and they're not being qualified. Our approval rates are about 65%, down from last year slightly. The average FICO score being approved is 710, with an average credit line of $5,800. The other interesting statistic is that for our existing customers, they're only about 27% utilized on their credit. Consumers continue to be pretty cautious with credit. Same thing holds true for Pro.

Our Pro approval rates are about 70%. A bit of a higher line there, $6,800, but only 20% utilized. On the consumer side, as you know, the ability to pay or the CARD Act really negatively impacted approvals. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau came out with some changes recently, which we think will help approval rates. We think it'll help grow our approval rates by 100 basis points, more or less. That's good news. This is my long answer to your question, that much like the housing market's beginning to recover, the consumer and credit availability is beginning to recover, it's not recovered.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

It sounds like you're doing your part to contribute to the freer flow of credit to the consumer.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yes, we are.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

My second question is, as the housing recovery continues, the profitability of the supply chain should improve, of the entire home improvement supply chain should improve as capacity utilization rates rise. Are you starting to see evidence that you're benefiting from that in whatever capacity you think you might?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, as you know, we've given guidance through 2015, which suggests we will get about 20 basis points of benefit from our supply chain by 2015. Didn't see that in the first quarter, but that's just because of the nature of the-

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Seasonal

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

seasonal business and the spiky sales. Our supply chain did a great job in the first quarter. Longer term, we should enjoy more benefits.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

I wasn't necessarily talking about your supply chain. Sorry for the confusion.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Sure.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

I was talking about your vendors becoming more profitable such that you would start to participate in their improved profitability.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Certainly, when you can put throughput through the factories, that improves overall profitability. We do have agreements in place with our suppliers where, as we drive productivity for them, we share in that productivity and obviously can deliver greater value for our customers as well.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you very much.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Matthew Fassler with Goldman Sachs.

Matthew Fassler
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks a lot. Good morning. You spoke about the strength in your commercial business. You attributed that in part to macro dynamics, which clearly are working in your favor. When we've been talking to pros over the past month about the power center channel supplying to them, The Home Depot often stands out as taking more aggressive action and having incremental impact. Is it possible to try to disaggregate, you think, the contributions of your own changes, and you might talk about any ones that are new or different or making a big difference versus that of the market and driving that pro business above the consumer business here in the first quarter?

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

Matt, first off, I'll ask Marvin to address some of the actions we've taken in the store to better serve our pros. I'd just say, generally, it's tough for us to measure share, period. It is really hard for us to measure share with the pro, because the pro shops across so many different channels, there are so many different kinds of pros in our stores. We really don't have a good read through into to what extent do our pro numbers reflect some possible share gain versus the market. Since we started, for several years now, we've had a notional theory of what we'd see in the housing recovery. Since we're seeing that play out with our pro numbers, we're more inclined to think of that as a more general market recovery.

We have done, and thank you for noting, we have done some things that are very focused on this customer segment in the store. Maybe Marvin, you want to comment on some of those.

Marvin Ellison
EVP, U.S. Stores, The Home Depot

Sure. Matt, we really took advantage of the downturn. We had processes. Our focus was really not that good, to be quite candid. When the market was depressed, we decided to invest in a couple of things. Number one, we had a very distinct focus on what we do in the store and what we do outside of the store. In the store was primarily for our smaller pros. Outside of the store was for pros that typically would not venture into a The Home Depot because of the nature of their business. In the store, we focused on speed and convenience. We put in dedicated cashiers for the pros. We put in dedicated loading. We created pro power hours, where we eliminated tasking, and we wanted service focus for specific times of the day. We really made a really consistent focus on speed.

We leveraged the mobile point of sale to help pros accelerate their transactions. We shifted outside of the store. We put in a sales force designed specifically to go to the pros, the larger pros, and to make sales calls talking about the features and benefits of working and buying from The Home Depot. We worked with Craig's team to improve the bid room process. It would take, in the past, days to get a bid back. We turned that into minutes. We continued to listen to pros and just made the necessary changes. What we hoped is that when the market started to improve, that the investments in training and service that we put in place would benefit us. It's still very early. We still have a lot of work to do.

To Frank's point, it's difficult to measure market share, but we have to believe that all of the dedicated focus over the last two years may be giving us a disproportionate benefit as the market improves.

Matthew Fassler
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Brian Nagel with Oppenheimer.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Hi, good morning.

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

Good morning.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

First question, I just wanted to follow on Matt's question on the pro a bit. You called out the strength you've seen in the pro business here, and clearly, as you just said, it's been a big focus for Home Depot. You're connecting better with those customers now. You're following the data better. As you look at the buying patterns now, with all that's going on in the macro environment, it's not surprising pros picking up. Are you seeing something in your data to suggest that we do have a sustainable trend here now for Home Depot in this pro business more than we've seen in the past?

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

I'd say, Brian, interestingly, this is the first quarter that the Pro Segment sales have outpaced our Consumer Segment sales. We are, I think, appropriately cautious about drawing broader generalizations. As Carol said, we raised our guidance, thinking through what we think is going to play out in the second quarter. I would say it's a bit early from this quarter to say, "Boy, this is sustaining." We do like the trend. Definitely the trend has been a positive trend.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

It might be helpful to share with you the top 10 pro classes to the question of, well, what are they buying?

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Yeah.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

It includes plywood, gypsum, dimensional lumber, pipe and fittings, floor and wall tile set, moldings, interior paint, studs, and light bulbs. That's pretty core to a pro customer.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Right.

Marvin Ellison
EVP, U.S. Stores, The Home Depot

Brian, the only thing I'll add is when you talk about the large pro, which we define as over $10,000 in annual spend, and the smaller pro, the smaller pro is improving, and that's a good sign, as Frank noted earlier. What we're hearing from the pros is a very simple definition as to why. A lot of the smaller pros basically shut their businesses down and started to work for the larger pros. So now as the business and the market improves, there are more jobs available, and a lot of smaller pros are venturing out again to open up their shops, and they're back in business. It's very early, but the trend is positive. We just hope that it sustains.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay. That's very helpful. Then maybe just a shorter question on, I know a lot of us are focused here on seasonal sales because it's key this time of year, and there's been a lot of shifts with the weather and such, but is there a way that you could look at your business and say, okay, despite all these weather shifts we've had 2013 versus 2012, seasonal sales are actually better this year, or they're the same as last year? Is there some way to look at it like that?

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

Sort of a weather-adjusted seasonal sale metric, we really don't have that.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Okay.

Frank Blake
Chairman and CEO, The Home Depot

That'd be a difficult one to come up with.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yeah. I think what we do is we look at this really on a half basis.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

We try to take into account both quarters combined to eliminate the shifting noise, if you will, from year to year. We look at multi-year penetrations by category by week. This is why, as Carol said, we feel like we've got an opportunity to gain most of those sales in Q2. You may have some categories like pre-emergent that we may not get it all back, but we feel pretty confident that we'll get the majority of it.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Cool. Thank you.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Peter Benedict with Robert W. Baird.

Peter Benedict
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Hey, guys. Thanks. What do you guys make of the recent decline in lumber prices? What do you think is driving that? Just getting to your outlook for inflation over the balance of the year, what are you guys thinking from that front?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

The lumber pricing has been interesting for the year. I think output in Q1 from the industry was up double-digit in the U.S., as well as up high-single-digit from Canada. I'm sure that has a factor on driving the overall pricing in the market. It's still up significantly year-over-year, but I think that's probably a factor to the recent declines.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

We plan on a commodity neutral basis.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Right.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

As you know, we haven't lifted the back half of the year for anything that might happen with prices up or down.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Right.

Peter Benedict
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Okay, thanks. Then diving a little more into some of the pro questions here. Any indication in some of the categories, things like job site tools, windows, things like that, are they starting to show any kind of an uptick, or is that still on the come?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

When we look at pro categories, Carol called out the top 10. We're seeing growth in those businesses, and we saw growth in the first quarter, obviously, versus the fourth quarter, which you would expect to see some based on just seasonal. We're encouraged by the growth across those categories.

Peter Benedict
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Thanks. Just one last one. When spring arrives as it did this year, when does it typically peak? Are we seeing the peak now? Does the peak occur kind of as you get into June? Just trying to understand how long the spring season goes when it arrives at a similar time that it did this year. Thanks.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

That really varies by area of the country. As you can imagine, the South peaks several weeks in advance of the North. Even in that, the peak in any given area can shift up to roughly two weeks, give or take. It really does vary by area of the country. In some areas, it can be as early as week 10. In other areas, it can be as late as 17 or 18.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah. Based on our month-to-date sales, I would say it hasn't peaked.

Peter Benedict
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Has not. Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Gregory Melich with ISI Group.

Gregory Melich
Analyst, ISI Group

Hi. Thanks. I have one follow-up question from before, and then a longer-term one. Carol, you mentioned that May is running great. Would you describe April as great as well?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, April was an outstanding month. I also want to bring your attention to the timing of Easter. Because of where Easter fell this year versus last year, March was the negative comp was overstated by about 230 basis points, which means the positive comp in April was overstated by about 230 basis points.

Gregory Melich
Analyst, ISI Group

Got it. April was great, not outstanding if you adjust for Easter. I'll leave it at that.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Okay.

Gregory Melich
Analyst, ISI Group

Another more serious question. Your free cash flow guidance, you didn't update as part of the change in your EPS guidance. I think it was around $7 billion. Has that changed, particularly given that it seemed that inventory was only up 2% to get the sort of top-line growth? Should we expect more free cash flow leverage, or is it still the same number there?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

No, we've updated our forecast. I didn't call it out because I don't think it's really material on a $7 billion number, but it's up maybe $200 million or $300 million.

Gregory Melich
Analyst, ISI Group

Okay. That's great. Thanks.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yep.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Baker with Deutsche Bank.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Thanks. One shorter-term, one longer-term question. Shorter term, just this quarter, can you tell us the EPS impact of that calendar shift of the $540 odd million?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Sure. The EPS impact was $0.03.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you. The longer term, at least in my model, the last time you were at an equivalent sales per foot number, your operating margins were 250 points lower than they are now. As I sort to start to think out longer term, and if you can get back to where sales per foot were pre-recession, is there any reason to believe that the operating margin shouldn't be that much higher, 200, 300, 400 basis points higher than they were last time they peaked?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, as you point out, we have a ton of operating leverage in our business. By the great work of the team in terms of cost out and just driving productivity, it's more productive than it's ever been. We've guided to a 12% operating margin by 2015. Let us get there, and then we'll talk about how much more opportunity there is.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Looks like you're going to get pretty close by the end of this year, maybe within 50 basis points.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well-

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

All right. We'll wait for that update.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Very good. Thank you.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Alan Rifkin with Barclays.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you very much. With respect to the average ticket 900 plus, is the composition between large pro, small pro, and the DIY similar within that category as the corporate average?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Well, it's interesting when you look at that average ticket performance. Some of the top drivers of the year-over-year growth were in the appliance category. That's mostly consumer.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

That is mostly consumer.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Collectively, compared to three and six months ago, what is your take on the proclivity for both the pro customer, large and small, as well as the DIY customer to take on some of these larger projects? Are you seeing clear evidence of that?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

I think we've seen expansion of the project business, as I called out. We have seen nice growth in the simple core. Whether that's customer taking on flooring projects, who are now taking on storage projects, where in the past they might have deferred that. We've begun to see those categories have nice growth in the business. We're encouraged by that. Other drivers to expansion at ticket is also innovation. Things like LED, which drives ticket expansion inside of a category. Things like lithium technology, which drive expansion in tools, now across almost five departments in the store. All of those have positive influences on the growth of average ticket as well.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Here's one thing we are looking at very carefully, and this data comes from CoreLogic, and that is where homeowners are on a loan-to-value basis. Because once homeowners believe their home is more of an investment than an expense, we believe the nature of their spending will change. This data came out in the fourth quarter. It suggests those that have negative equity spend maybe $1,000 a year. Those that have 100% positive equity or maybe a loan-to-value as much as 49%, they'll spend close to $3,000 a year. We're watching with home price appreciation how households will move into different spending buckets and then trying to determine what the impact on our business will be.

It's a little early, Alan, obviously, because this data is just coming out, but we're really trying to understand what it could mean for our business and the project nature of our business going forward.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Thank you, Carol. One follow-up, if I may, for you. Obviously, California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, outsized gains. Where are we today in absolute terms with where your stores in those markets are relative to where we were six years ago when the crisis really began? Are we above those levels in absolute terms at the store level?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Not yet.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

No.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Not yet, no.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

Any quantification of still how far below you are on an average store revenue basis in those markets?

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Just think about it. As of the end of 2012, we still had close to $3 billion of sales to recover from what we lost during the recession.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

Very interesting. Thank you. Good luck.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Thank you.

Diane Dayhoff
VP of Investor Relations, The Home Depot

Mary, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Okay. Our last question comes from Scot Ciccarelli with RBC Capital Markets.

Scot Ciccarelli
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Good morning, guys.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Good morning.

Morning.

Scot Ciccarelli
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Obviously, there were some weather challenges that you guys called out already. In general, I think what we've continued to see over the last several quarters is relatively modest improvements in the smaller ticket sales, but pretty big improvements in bigger ticket sales. I guess my question is, how much of that is due to changing mix on the assortment side? If this trend continues, is that something you continue to adjust in terms of the mix and assortment in the stores, in addition to the labor enhancements Marvin's already called out?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Certainly, a portion of this is driven by the growth in categories like appliances, which carry a big ticket. Certainly, in the first quarter, the smaller ticket was clearly negatively impacted by the lack of garden sales, which is a massive driver to transactions on smaller ticket. As you can imagine, lots of customers coming in, buying some bags of dirt, buying live goods and so on, which carry a much smaller ticket. As we look at the larger ticket, improvement in penetration in lumber with our pro customers, one of the top classes, both plywood, dimensional lumber fall into that. Gypsum. Those are businesses where customers on the pro side are buying multiples, helping to drive the larger ticket, as well as we say, the appliance business.

We've seen, over multiple quarters, the hard work that we've put into things like our kitchen business overall, and as well as the improvement of our services businesses, which drive ticket pay off and help drive the growth in the larger ticket over the past several quarters. We still feel that it's balanced, that we'll be driving, on an annualized basis, both transactions as well as ticket in our business.

Scot Ciccarelli
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Is there anything that you've seen in the business to make you think that the trends that we've seen recently won't continue? It seems like you've been calling out appliances for a while. Lumber has obviously been gaining steam for the last couple of quarters. These tend to be long cycle trends, don't they?

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yeah, I think they'll continue to help us grow the larger ticket categories, for sure.

Carol Tomé
CFO and EVP, Corporate Services, The Home Depot

Yeah.

Scot Ciccarelli
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, got it. Thanks a lot, guys.

Craig Menear
EVP, Merchandising, The Home Depot

Yep.

Diane Dayhoff
VP of Investor Relations, The Home Depot

Well, thank you very much for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you next quarter.

Operator

That does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.

Alan Rifkin
Analyst, Barclays

That's a wrap.