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Baird's Global Healthcare Conference 2023

Sep 12, 2023

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

All right, I think we're gonna get started. My name is Jeff Johnson. I'm the Senior Medical Technology Analyst at Baird. Our next presentation this morning is from Henry Schein, the largest distributor of healthcare products and services to office-based practitioners in North America and Europe. With us today, we're very happy to have, as we always are, Chairman and CEO, Stanley Bergman. I'll throw in the man, the myth, the legend. Stanley, thank you for joining us, and, Chief Financial Officer, Ron South, as well. Stanley, I'm gonna turn it over to you for a few minutes if you have, some comments to make, and then, we'll go into Q&A.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Thank you, Jeff. Thank you for having us, and, as I noted earlier on, I believe you're the longest-serving analyst of any of the big firms-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

... covering dentistry, and, you know every nook and cranny, so thank you for hosting us. We have some prepared slides which are on the website. I'm just gonna fly through them because I think it's more valuable to handle the Q&A. So, Ron, this is your part.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

I reference you to the cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements. Thank you very much.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Thank you, Ron.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

That makes the attorneys happy.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Right. So, what we have here are some key metrics. On sales, 2022 was $12.5 billion. We have 1 million customers, office-based practitioners. That's dentists, physicians in the alternate care setting, but also including dental laboratories, urgent centers, surgery centers, dialysis centers, et cetera. It's probably 1.5 million-1.8 million practitioners that we cover, 23,000 people, 90 years in business. We're servicing dentists throughout the world, on the ground in 33 countries. Been on the S&P index for 7 years. Been recognized as a Fortune Most Admired company for 22 years. Ethisphere has recognized us as one of the, I think, 150 most ethical companies in their index, and best place to work from LGBTQ point of view, also for sev...

I think you get the picture. Henry Schein is committed to balancing the needs of our five constituents, our suppliers, our customers, our team, our investors, and society. We've been doing that for 50 years, well before the concept of ESG was ever conceived. It's a fragmented market still. Some parts of the world are more consolidated than others. All the basic statistics are there. We have had consistent growth in our EPS. Pick any period of time, 5 years, 10 years. The macro trends, we think, are quite favorable. I can cover those, Jeff, and I'm sure you have a question there on the, the, the specific trends in regions, dental, medical, et cetera. But overall, it's a good market to be in. We are not in the acute care area.

Procedures are moving from the acute care environment to the physician office, ambulatory surgical center, et cetera, et cetera, and, including, of course, the home. Dentistry, there's a growing understanding on the importance of oral care, the connectivity between oral care and healthcare in general, and so we think, the businesses we're in are good places to be from a macro point of view. Our strategic plan has five major components. It's BOLD +1. The B is advancing or building our high-growth, high-margin businesses. That is in the area of services, specialty services, including the largest practice management and related practice solutions, digital company in the world, growing nicely, good margins.

We have a growing business in the specialty dental arena, implants, bone regeneration products, endodontics, and a small, relatively small, orthodontic business that is gaining some traction in the aligner space. You add all of that up, it's around 25% of our sales, at the moment, just under 40% of our operating income. You add our private brand to that, and well over a third of our business is in the high-growth, high-margin, own brand arena, and within the next couple of years, it'll approach half of our profits. We are spending a lot of time driving efficiency amongst our portfolio of distribution businesses, operationalizing that. Lots of good things happening there, both growing our market share and our operating income in these businesses.

A key strategy of ours is to leverage our relationship amongst our customers, very important in the DSO world. In the United States, most of the larger DSOs view us as their primary supplier, and we're moving our high-growth, high-margin products into that arena, both the software and the various specialty businesses. And digitalization is very important for us. Happy to cover that. And, of course, the social responsibility and ensuring that we provide our shareholders with a good return on investment, consistent growth, are all key components, and that's in the BOLD+1. So we have a leading position, lots and lots of opportunity to grow our top line, our bottom line, customer base can be leveraged. I think, we can-...

In all modesty, say we have a very good track record for delivery on our commitments, and our team is quite experienced. So we'll recognize Andrea Albertini, who's in the room, who runs our international business, but is also responsible for our global laboratory business and is driving our clinical workflow initiative throughout the world. So Jeff, that's the story.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

That is the story. Thank you, Stanley.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Sorry, Ron, I took me 6.5 minutes.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Right.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Let's-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

You gave me five.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

That, I had the over-under set at 15 minutes, Stanley.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

So... Well, I'm known to not speak in staccato.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yes. Well, thank you for that. And, so yeah, a few questions there, and, you know, you talked about the breadth of the team, and kind of your commitment to delivering to those goals and those plans. So let me maybe start both of those places. So I think, at your Analyst Day earlier this year, I think one of the things that stood out amongst many things, but was the breadth of that team and the depth of that team. You know, an impressive team you've assembled, obviously, over the years. So, where are you with that team in succession planning? How are we thinking? I know you've, what, signed up for another couple of years now? What, what's your latest contract? I think two years or three years.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

I have to check with the lawyers.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. But where are you with, you know, the depth of the team and the comfort with the team in someday, a post-Stanley Bergman era for Henry Schein?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Right. So we have a very, very good team across the board with, I think, very good succession plans, Jeff. On the business side, we have Brad Connett, who runs the distribution businesses in North America, a veteran of 25 years with Henry Schein Dental and Medical today. Andrea Albertini, who manages our international distribution businesses and the areas I mentioned, been with Henry Schein for over 10 years. Both Brad and Andrea are really experts in the field of dental products and distribution and marketing. And at the same time, we have great leadership at Henry Schein One. Chris King is managing that business today, but she has an exceptional bench. And so those are the business leaders.

At the same time, we have a Chief Strategic Officer who handles strategy and acquisitions, Mark Mlotek, also a veteran of 30 years, and Michael Ettinger, who's our Chief Operating Officer, who manages all the infrastructure and related services. So this team is at the very top. There's many more I could mention.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yep.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Of course, Ron took over in a smooth transition from Steven. Gerald Benjamin retired also, and Michael took over his function. But underneath those leaders, there's a very, very strong bench of many, many young leaders and talented leaders, and so the company has invested a lot in succession planning.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yep, fair enough. The other thing from the Analyst Day, you laid out, Ron, a long-term plan, talked about, you know, some higher growth in the specialty markets, kind of a little bit lower on the dental side, a little bit higher in medical overall. We could put numbers on all that, but, you know, is that LRP-- Are we in an era where that LRP we should be thinking about, you know, is current, is active, or do we need to get back to a more normalized economy, really, to be thinking about LRP-type goals?

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Yeah, you know, with reference to the Investor Day, we provided some assumed market growth rates, as you mentioned. So for example, on dental, we said kind of on a long-term basis, we expect the dental industry to be growing kind of 2%-4%.

I would argue we're probably we could be pushing towards the higher end of that in recent days, just given some of the activity we're seeing on, for example, in standard equipment is that growth is helping provide a, you know, pushing that towards the higher end of that

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yep

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Dental specialties, kind of 5%-8%, we think is the long-term growth opportunity, and we still think that's the long-term growth opportunity there. But, you know, specialty is gonna be a little more vulnerable to macroeconomic conditions.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Sure.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

And so you do get a little more vulnerability there, but we're seeing very good growth in our endodontic business. Our implant business continues to grow kind of in the mid- to high single digits. So we feel pretty comfortable with that 5-8 range, you know, holding as well. You know, our medical business, when I talk about our medical business, is really the medical segment in which we operate. So really, you know, working with the ASCs, who are still experiencing very good growth as more and more procedures work their way from the hospital into the ambulatory surgical centers. Of course, our physician customers and now, you know, as you know, we're starting to branch a little more into providing product to home healthcare providers as well.

So as we look at that, that growth is expected to be, you know, in the market about 4%-7%. We're trending more towards the bottom end of that this year, mostly due to last year, just a very difficult comp.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Sure.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Our medical business grew consistently greater than 10% last year, each quarter, when you take out kind of the effect of COVID test kits and PPE, and so very difficult comps, and last year, we had a very robust flu season, which really drove a lot of traffic to the physicians, so we sold a lot of flu diagnostic kits last year that's not really repeating itself this year. Nevertheless, they're squeezing out a little bit of low single-digit growth for us, which we're grateful for. And then beyond that, our technology business, where we're technology and value-added services, where we're assuming growth in that 8%-12% in the market, and I think we're solid more towards the middle of that right now.

We feel, you know, as Stanley mentioned earlier, our Henry Schein One business, and we're very happy with, you know, some of the progress they've made this year and how that business is operating. So I think we're kind of solid in that range.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Okay. So some puts and takes as there would be any-

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Yes

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Probably year of-

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Yes

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

O f, when you go across multiple different verticals. I would assume then if, if tech and VA is, is healthy within that 8-12, maybe specialty a little softer to offset, but it sounds like that still gives you good kind of margin progression as well. I mean, and maybe talk about this environment as a distributor. Costs are going up. Obviously, you've got the BOLD+1 initiative, you know, that has some cost control efforts in it. Still comfortable as well with that 10 basis points plus of, of kind of annual margin expansion goal?

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Yeah, we are. I think that you can get year to year or period to period where it can fluctuate a little bit, and I think as we begin to shift more and more of the business to specialty and to tech, those are obviously very different profile businesses than a standard distribution business. Much higher gross margins, but also you have to make some investment in OpEx along the way, whether it be in R&D for the implant businesses or in software development costs for Henry Schein One. And sometimes those revenues don't match up with when you incur those costs. But nevertheless, we think that in the long term, we can consistently deliver 10, you know, 10 basis points of operating margin expansion going forward.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. Fair enough. Stanley, I think, you know, there's many examples of Schein kind of leading the way over the last 20-some years that I've covered the company, whether it was the Demedis acquisition going into Europe and really starting to roll that business up, getting into the specialty side when you didn't have access to those products through some of the manufacturing partners. I think the other one was, you know, early on, being a good partner to the DSOs, especially here in North America. It's given you a good competitive advantage. Where are you in the DSOs in Europe? And, you know, it seems like DSOs in Asia are growing very fast, at least from our checks.

So where are you in partnering with DSOs in Europe, but especially in Asia, which I think is a little bit newer of a process?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

So, Jeff, firstly, let me just go back. First question, I forgot to mention the leadership of our specialty business. We have tremendous leadership, I think probably the most stable leadership team in the implant oral surgery space of any of the companies. The endo leadership is incredible, and so is the orthodontic leadership. But to answer your question, from our point of view, we remain the largest provider of products and services to the DSOs in Australia and New Zealand. There's been quite a lot of activity in that space, perhaps in the last 5-7 years, so it is growing significantly in that part of the world. China's not a very big business for us. It's $hundreds of millions, and we do well with the DSOs in China from distributing branded products.

We don't make much money from that, but where we do make our money is in the endodontic space and in the providing of implants to DSOs. Our focus in China is much more on the private sector. We do sell to the government area, but it's not that profitable, and it's a relatively small business. Japan is a joint venture, and I don't think DSOs are important there yet.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Maybe I didn't hear anything, just DSOs in Europe there, but just-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yeah, sorry

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

... more broadly. Yeah, no, but more broadly on Europe, you know, I think there's been some mixed macro signals, but also some mixed dental feedback, especially in Germany, but in a couple other European markets as well. Just kind of your lay of the land of Europe right now from a consumption standpoint as well.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yes. I, I should have mentioned in the DSO world, in Europe, I think we only we the only provider of products that has a Pan-European strategy in dentistry, and we cover a significant number of the emerging DSOs. I think the fastest-growing ones are customers of ours. There is some challenges in that area, a couple of bankruptcies, et cetera, but generally, there's good, solid management in several of these big DSO groups, and they're generally customers of ours. The market is mixed. I would not say it's as bad as some of the analysts have written. There are some challenges in some of these markets. There is definitely a movement around, Jeff, amongst manufacturers. I think a couple of the manufacturers took their prices up a little too high.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Mm.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Others have moved in to fill that vacuum. So I think one has to look at the macro market and not at one or two companies. So it is quite complex, and particularly the case in Germany.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. And I guess following up there, you know, when I think of your product positioning, if there's a slowdown in Germany, you do have some of those other either branded product, maybe not, you know, the highest end equipment, so you can offer a more value proposition on the equipment that some of the manufacturers are stuck in the premium side only. And same thing with Camlog, obviously, a good price point there, but a good market share. So yeah. Just wanting to follow up on what you said about it's not necessarily an overall market thing. It seems to me like you're fairly well protected there and well cushioned in Europe. Is that a fair way to think about it relative to some who might be at the more premium-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yeah

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

End of the scale?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

You have to break a little bit down by country.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

I would say in Germany, on the specialty side, particularly on the implants, oral surgery side, implants and bone regeneration, we have an outstanding business. I would say, in all modesty, the best management team in that field, and we've done extremely well. We continue to grow. We've grown that business for the past 10 years. Really outstanding team. We're also. That's on the premium side, Camlog, or BioHorizons as Camlog today.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Mm-hmm.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

We have Medentis, which has done extremely well in the low end.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

High quality, but lower priced. On the equipment side, there has been movement. On the traditional equipment, some of the lesser-known brands have done very, very well with us.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Not because we're not supportive of the big brands, but they're much more attuned to pricing in the marketplace. There's been a lot of competition on the digital side. The units are doing well, especially the DI, but the players are a little bit different. I mean, there's one or two players that have continued with their market share, but there's a couple that have not done that well-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

A nd have ceded their market share to others. So and on the consumable side, you know, there's our private brand, and there are some of the second and third layers of manufacturers that have realized that some of the big guys have gone too high.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

So, there's a lot of shifting going on there in Germany, but that shifting you can see throughout Europe.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

All right. That's helpful. And then, on that pricing point, I mean, I think last year we probably hit, what? +2, 2.5%, somewhere in that range, maybe even +2 to 3%, from a pricing standpoint across, kind of broadly across consumables, if we roll all the manufacturers up. Your consumables growth in the second quarter, if I look at kind of the 4Q and 1Q blend and compare that to second quarter, in North America, it slowed by a few points. How much of that was pricing coming back from that +2, 3, more to a normalized maybe 1 or sub-1, versus a change in, in maybe-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yeah

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

P atient consumption or volume?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

I can't give you a perfect answer.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah, yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Having said that, my notes tell me, our gurus tell us it's 50/50.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Okay.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

I actually think that in terms of profits, we've done quite well. In terms of price deflation, I think it's not price deflation with a particular manufacturer. It's movement to other manufacturers.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Okay.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

It's, to some extent, movement to our corporate brand. What has happened is customers are more educated today than ever before. They're looking for value, and those that are prepared to meet the customer's needs and work with us are doing well, and we are doing well with them. So I expect that the market will recognize this in the months to come, and there will be adjustments. But a couple of manufacturers really priced themselves a little too high.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. How much of that is driven by dentists coming to you saying, "We need an alternative here," versus you guys have been so good at putting formularies together and things like that. Do you make a proactive effort to say, "Hey, look at all these other options?" Or is it the dentist coming to you saying-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yeah

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

W e need options?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

For the larger customers, and that's particularly in the U.S., these are educated people. They know what's going on, and they will come to us and say, "You know, we've got this particular product, a file. Who, who are the players in that?" They know who they are. "Who can you get us the best deal?

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

So they view us, I wouldn't say as a pure-play GPO, but they rely on us to go and get them the best pricing. That is the case with the DSOs, large and mid-sized. The smaller people, our job is to... We don't show a brand and a private brand next to each other like you'd find in a drugstore, but we show the options.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Mm.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

The customers are doing their checking, and there's definitely an awareness, an educated consumer today, more than ever. It's not really driving our margins down. I mean, our absolute dollars on a unit is still pretty good.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

But there is a shift, and it impacts the top line.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Right.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

In the end, it doesn't matter because the operating profits for us will continue to grow.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah, fair enough. And then, Ron, maybe just for you on the equipment side, you know, we've seen, I think, that equipment on a probably trailing 12-month or maybe trailing 6 quarters or so, grown probably what? Mid- to upper single digits, 5-6, 5-7, somewhere in there, maybe even a little above that. How much of that is, and I'm talking mainly North America now.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Mm-hmm.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

But how much of that has been price and, you know, I think to some of the A-dec price increases and that kind of went in last spring to summer kind of area. Do we anniversary through that now that TTM growth rate comes down, or is there a volume backfill that can kind of offset? Just how to think about kind of the moving pieces on the equipment side.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

There is some price favorability that we're getting this year still.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Okay.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

I think that's... Part of that is from-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Will it continue through the year?

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

I think it will. You know, as we work the backlog down-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

I f we have the opportunity to work the backlog. The backlog really didn't move too much in the second quarter.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

But as we work the backlog down, we will see some price benefit come through because we took delivery on that product, and we don't record the revenue on that product until we actually install it on behalf of the customer. So we'll see the effect of that price increase happen at that point in time. So you're right. In North America, and especially on standard equipment, and really talking about standard equipment versus high tech, we had essentially double-digit growth in standard equipment in the second quarter.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

I would say perhaps a little less than half of that would be price-related.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Okay.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

But nevertheless, we're very pleased with that, with that level of growth, especially in light of the backlog not coming down.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

In the environment where dentists are saying, "Look, you know, brand A and brand B have gotten too expensive, I'm gonna go to brand C," is that possible or even happening in basic equipment? Or is there going to be better price sustainability, pricing gains that can continue into 2024, 2025 in an inflationary environment? Can those companies continue to take price? There's fewer manufacturers, there's preferences that maybe are a little stronger in some of those. So how to think about sustainability and price and things like basic equipment-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

I'd say, Jeff, in North America, there are very strong brands on the equipment side.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Mm-hmm.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

On the traditional side. I don't think that's gonna result in movement of share amongst manufacturers on the traditional side, at least with the top two of them. In Europe, it's a little bit of a different case. We've seen,

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Dennis Rebell, and, you know, Andreas Nodding, and they've just said to us, "It's enough," you know?

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

It's high. Great, these brands are great," but you know, it takes some place like Germany, where people are not looking for the most perfectly engineered product-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

T hat may have been great. You know, they may have looked at it that way ten years ago. They want to see the best value.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. Fair enough.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

There are plenty of providers that are servicing that need.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

DSOs, just I think back to the North American equipment market. You know, it sounds like there's these strong brand reputations where, you know, and we're seeing it in areas outside of dental, where on the base or on the capital side, you can push a little bit bigger price increases than normal. But I also think there's this dynamic in the North American market with DSOs are the biggest consumers probably of basic equipment, and they're not going to necessarily continue absorbing those higher prices, I would think.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

No, they won't.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

No. So even in North America, you think these pricing, like-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

You have to be careful with the traditional-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

C hairs, units, and lights. There are some very strong brands.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

But with the rest of the market, it's, they're looking at price, especially with the digital.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah, fair enough.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

You know, that. There are, you know, there's a couple of anchors in there-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Right

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

T hat, based on features and benefits, will keep their market share. But this is a fluid market, and, you know, we're being asked all the time, for alternatives.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

All right. Let me-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Discussed that early on.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah, let me ask a question on 3D printing, and then I want to maybe just finish up in tech and value add. On 3D printing, I mean, you know, we hear a lot of excitement. I think the excitement's probably a little bit ahead of the true utilization or capabilities of what's possible in the dental office. What's the next kind of... Does it have to come on digital dentures? Does it have to come on clear aligners? What's the next step to really push 3D printing into the dental office and get the uptake there?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yeah, I think it's, you know, like with the scanners, there's the early adopters. We have the early adopters. I expect that within the next couple of years, it'll be standard of use or standard of purchase. I don't know if they'll buy them. I, I know they'll buy them. They're not that expensive. Will they be integrated into the practice? I think that very much depends on functionality and the availability of diverse materials, so that's maturing. I think the denture will come, the 3D denture. One-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah, and then, is that-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

We showed you one at our investor meeting.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Right. Yeah, and-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

It will come. I mean, like with all products, it'll, I'm sure, have some challenges when it's launched, and... but it will come.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Will that be ahead, you think, of true crown capabilities, or do you think we're close enough with crowns right now with some of the providers out there?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Very hard to tell where this is gonna go.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

A lot of it's-

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

You can still do your crowns now.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

That's there.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

The front is not-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Still seeing good customer reaction to that? I mean, obviously-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Yeah

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

... there's some question on: Is it a temp? Is it a permanent?

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Mm-hmm.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Things like that.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

It's good. The customers want it. I just saw in my email this morning, there's a seminar on using 3D printing for cosmetic purposes.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

I would like to see that, and I asked some of our people to go tune into that seminar. This is gonna move.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

The fact that the ADA has approved this so quickly as a product code, procedure code, is very exciting.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

We're selling a lot of these things. I think we're, today, the number one provider of these 3D printers in most countries that we're in, and the lab is moving exceptionally fast into that area.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah. All right, well, 45 seconds, so, Ron, that means it's a question for you, not Stanley, if we have 45 seconds. So-

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

45 minutes.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yes. In tech and VA, just, you know, I think between tech and VA and specialty, when those, when we're back in good markets, those are all growing and all that. You know, the real story to Henry Schein here on both the revenue and the margin side from putting those two businesses together. But the tech and VA, you think going forward can sustain at that upper single to low double digits? Is that a long-term sustainable, and, and do you sustain upper teens margins in that business?

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Yeah, I mean, we expect it. Like I said before, we got 8% to 12% market growth assumption in our-

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Yeah

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

I n our long-range models. We think we can operate within that market growth assumption and take some market along the way, as well as increasing size of wallet with our existing Henry Schein One customers, and that should give us, you know, some accelerated growth there. So no, we do—and we will—I think we can continue to get the margins we have.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

Margins.

Ron South
CFO, Henry Schein

Like I said, you occasionally have to invest in some development costs that can create a little bit of lumpiness there, but, but I think over a long-term period of time, we can definitely maintain those, those margins.

Jeff Johnson
Senior Medical Technology Analyst, Baird

All right. Fair enough. Well, I think our time is up, so please join me in thanking Ron and Stanley for a wonderful overview here of Henry Schein. As a reminder, the next presentation is set to begin at 10:50 A.M. Eastern Time, include Exact Sciences, Ambrx Biopharma, and Vital Connect. Thank you.

Stanley Bergman
Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein

Thank you.

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