Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Hydrofarm Holdings Group First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this conference is being recorded today, May 13, 2021. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Fitzhugh Taylor, Managing Director at ICR.
To begin.
Thank you, Shamali, and good afternoon. With me on the call today is Bill Toler, Hydrofarm's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and John Lundeman, the company's Chief Financial Officer. By now, everyone should have access to our Q1 2021 earnings release and Form 8 ks issued today after market close. These documents are available on the Investors section of Hydrofarm's website at www.hydrapharm.com. Before we begin our formal remarks, please note that our discussions today will include forward looking statements.
These forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance, and therefore, you should not put undue reliance on them. These statements are also subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. We refer all of you to our recent SEC filings for a more detailed discussion Farm. Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone.
And discuss non GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance. The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP and reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Bill Tuller. Bill?
Thank you, Fitzhugh, and good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased with the continued momentum in our business as Q1 revenues grew 66.5% versus last year, completing our 3rd straight quarter of organic sales growth greater than 60%. We're also pleased to report a record adjusted EBITDA of $9,900,000 an increase of over 500% from last year's Q1. Farm. Our revenue growth was once again across virtually all of our product lines and geographies.
This includes both new markets and mature markets and is across the board in virtually all of our brands and categories. And as demonstrated by our EBITDA growth, we continue to benefit from a favorable sales mix as our proprietary brands are becoming a larger part of our total sales and that drives margin expansion. Our exciting growth also gave us leverage on SG and A. Despite the fact we're spending more actual dollars in SG and A, our percent of total went down. The strength of our results not only in this quarter, but over the last year are indicative of our unique positioning as a leading distributor and manufacturer differentiated branded hydroponic equipment supplies serving the $9,500,000,000 Controlled Environment Agriculture market.
As many of you know, it's a market that we believe is in the early innings of a sustainable and significant growth curve, brought on by a broad based increase in home hydroponic gardening, ongoing domestic legislative approvals related to cannabis and advances in innovation, technology and brand strength within the category. We also believe longer term, the ESG advantages of hydroponics are becoming more mainstream and these efficient farming practices will continue to expand. Farm. While we are operating with a strong tailwind, it is worth noting that our differentiated branded offerings are a driver of our results. Over 60% of our sales come from products that you primarily purchase in the hydroponic channel from Hydrofarm.
Not only does it give us the stickiness we want, As successful growers tend to stay with the brands that give them their own differentiated formula, these products also drive advantageous margins for us. Farm. That formula is evident in the profitability improvement we displayed over the last few quarters. As we look ahead, our focus will remain on 3 growth drivers: product innovation and brand building, adding strategic distribution relationships and the acquisition of value enhancing businesses. Let me quickly touch on the first two before talking about our recent acquisition.
First is a commitment to innovation and brand building. As you know, we currently have a little more 60% of our sales in proprietary and preferred brands, the bulk of which is in our own proprietary brands. Farm. With better margin profiles, our proprietary brands represent a key growth opportunity. A great example of that is our innovation, our new photo bio by from LED lights that we began selling broadly late in Q1.
Building on the success of the Fotobiomx form factor, Our continued push for innovation has led us to the recent unveiling of the Fotobio T and the Fotobio Tx, both lights that we've started selling late in the Q1. We believe these two products are smart and affordable investments for growers looking to successfully cultivate all types of crops in controlled environment agriculture. Farm. We also introduced additional proprietary and preferred brands in the Q1, including products in supplies, nutrients and the Grow Media categories. This included the brand launch of Growth Star, a new line of premium lab grade pen testers for soil, as well as new products under the existing brands like Autopilot, Plant Success, Rock Nutrients and Roots Organics.
The newest additions were all developed by either our in house product development team or our partner suppliers product development teams or together to further expand our portfolio of innovative and proprietary branded products. Secondly, we continue to focus on adding strategic distribution relationships and preferred brands to our portfolio. As we previously mentioned, in early February, we signed a new exclusive distribution agreement in Canada with Advanced Nutrients, one of the most largest and most respected nutrient brands in the CEA space. This strategic partnership has allowed us to make the best in class nutrients more readily available to Canadian growers who are eager to unlock the true genetic potential of their crops and introduce the highest quality end products to their markets. And by the end of the Q1 of 2021, Advance has already become one of our fastest selling brands in Canada.
Lastly, one of our top priorities is to acquire value enhancing businesses to broaden our industry footprint and strengthen our product portfolio. While we remain opportunistic across all product segments, we have been focused on the nutrients and grow media categories in particular, largely because these product categories are consumables for our growers and recurring revenue for Hydrofarm and our retail partners. Additionally, many of these brands have very healthy EBITDA margins and are categories where we currently don't have our own strong proprietary brands. To that end, in late April, we announced the acquisition of Heavy 16, a leading and highly respected manufacturer and supplier of plant nutritional products, used in all stages of plant growth to help increase the yield and quality of the crops. In addition to be a highly compatible and complementary business within our existing product line.
Heavy 16 has a compelling financial profile with strong revenue growth and impressive margins that we expect to be accretive to our adjusted EBITDA Farm. Furthermore, we believe we have an excellent opportunity to expand the Heavy 16 footprint as the product line is currently Farm. Only sold at about 300 of the 1200 stores in the U. S. And 90% of its sales are in just 4 states.
We are excited to welcome the talented Heavy 16 team into the Hydrofarm family, and we believe this acquisition fits well as a proprietary brand HydroPharm in the nutrient category and will further solidify our position as the acquirer of choice in this highly fragmented and fast growing industry. So I hope you can see we're hard at work executing the strategies we laid out back in December at our IPO. With the recent successful completion of our secondary offering of common stock and the increased borrowing capacity we have from our new credit facility, we have further strengthened our balance sheet since we became public. As a result, we are well positioned to continue to invest in our organic growth as well as execute our acquisition strategy going forward. Coupled with our innovative high performing products and our own strong service offerings, we believe we are uniquely positioned to capitalize on unprecedented growth in CEA, and we are convinced we've only scratched the surface of the opportunity in front of us.
Now I'll turn it over to John to discuss the Q1 financial results in detail and to provide some update on our 2021 guidance. John?
Thanks, Bill, and good afternoon, everyone. We are very pleased to report Q1 2021 results that included a record quarter for Hydrofarm in terms of sales and adjusted EBITDA. Net sales for the Q1 increased 66.5 percent to $111,400,000 from $66,900,000 in the prior year period. Our top line growth continues to be predominantly volume driven with increased demand across multiple end markets. To give you some perspective on how broad and diverse the growth in the quarter was, we experienced over 100% year over year sales growth in 15 different U.
S. States. And while some of these states are still relatively modest in dollar terms today, we expect our sales in many of these states to continue to grow significantly in size over the coming quarters years. Our sales growth in the Q1 was also particularly strong in our proprietary brands, which outpaced our preferred and distributed brands. We also saw gross profit more than double to $23,200,000 in the Q1 compared to the same period last year and gross profit margin improved to 20.8% from 17.3%.
This year over year improvement in gross profit margin was primarily driven by sales mix more heavily weighted towards proprietary branded products, Farms, which typically carry a higher natural profit margin than pure distributed brands. We also achieved incremental labor efficiency related to scale benefits and internal initiatives within our own distribution centers, which further enhanced our gross profit margin. Selling, general and administrative expense increased to $15,800,000 in the Q1 of 2021 compared to $11,700,000 in the year ago period. The increase in SG and A was primarily due to increased costs associated with running a public company and supporting our long term growth strategy. Specifically, we realized higher compensation costs, consulting fees, including acquisition related costs, insurance costs and share based comp expenses.
Excluding share based compensation and depreciation and amortization expenses, SG and A was $14,200,000 or 12.7 percent of net sales versus 10.1% or 15.1 percent of net sales in the prior year period. So on this comparative basis, we realized significant operating leverage in the Reported net income attributable to common stockholders was $4,900,000 or $0.13 per diluted share in the quarter compared to a net loss of $3,700,000 or $0.18 per diluted share last year. Weighted average diluted shares outstanding were Fox. $39,000,000 for the Q1 of 2021 and approximately $20,700,000 for the prior year period. Please note that during the prior year share count does not reflect the impact of our December 2020 IPO.
And so similar to last quarter, we have calculated Pharma adjusted net income and applied pro form a weighted average diluted shares outstanding as if the IPO had occurred at the beginning of January 2020, which is the earliest comparison period. The precise calculation is detailed in our earnings release on the page containing the reconciliation of non GAAP measures. We believe the additional information contained in this non GAAP measure could be helpful in comparing prior periods. On this basis, pro form a adjusted net income for the quarter was approximately $7,300,000 or $0.19 per pro form a diluted share compared to a loss of $1,600,000 or $0.05 per pro form a diluted share in the year ago period. Lastly, adjusted EBITDA increased over 5 fold to $9,900,000 or 8.9 percent of net sales for the Q1 of 2021 versus $1,600,000 or 2.4 percent of net sales in the prior year period.
Higher sales, the improvement in gross profit margin and further leverage on SG and A expenses all contributed to the record adjusted EBITDA in the
Q1. Moving on
to our balance sheet and overall liquidity position. As of March 31, 2021, we had $62,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash with $50,000,000 of available borrowing capacity under our existing credit agreement and only $1,100,000 in aggregate amount of outstanding debt. Subsequent to the quarter end, we completed a follow on equity offering, raising approximately $310,000,000 in net cash proceeds to the company. We also completed the Heavy 16 acquisition, which resulted in a cash use of approximately 61,000,000 When you consider the equity offering, the Heavy 16 acquisition, our cash position at quarter end, the availability under our current debt agreement And as much as $57,000,000 in additional proceeds to the company from the future exercise of investor warrants, we currently have over $100,000,000 available to deploy against the growth strategy that Bill outlined earlier. Before we open the lines for questions, Let me quickly review our revised 2021 outlook.
Based on the strong start to 2021 and the recent completion of our Heavy 16 acquisition, We are updating our outlook for the full year. We are now expecting total company net sales growth of 30% to 40% for the 12 month period ended December 2021 and adjusted EBITDA of $36,000,000 to $42,000,000 for the same period. We continue to expect stronger year over year growth in the first half of twenty twenty one relative to the second half as we will be lapping strong comparable periods in the 3rd Q4 of 2020. And while our revised outlook for Full year implies a stronger adjusted EBITDA margin than our prior outlook. We remain somewhat cautious about further margin expansion as we move across the quarters for the remainder of 2021 due in large part to the overall commodity cost environment.
In the earnings release earlier today, we noted select assumptions embedded in our 2021 outlook. There was only one change in the outlook assumptions from those previously presented in March, and that relates to a $500,000 increase in our CapEx to approximately $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 for the full year to account for additional growth capital expenditures at the Heavy 16 manufacturing plant. As you can see from the quarter results and our recently completed capital raise and the Heavy 16 acquisition. We remain quite active in executing against our growth plan, and we look forward to reporting our progress again next quarter. This concludes our prepared remarks, and we are now happy to answer questions that you might have.
Operator, please open the lines for questions.
Our first question is from Andrew Carter with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
Farm. Thanks. Good afternoon. I appreciate that you have kind of a more subdued margin outlook for the remainder of the year, given some caution around the input cost environment. But you achieved an 8.9% EBITDA margin 1st quarter, seasonally kind of a weakest, updated 7.8 to 8.7.
So I just want to help us understand kind of that caution. Is it caution over mix? Yes, there's inflation, but you've got pricing. And then in particular, will the Heavy 16 acquisition be EBITDA margin accretive year in year 1? Thanks.
Okay. I'll jump in on that one, Andrew. Thanks for the question. Farm. Well, look, I mean, we did just report an all time record quarter, and we do not believe we have yet seen the full impact of overall commodity cost environment.
For example, our new LTL freight rate, which we locked in for the remainder of 2021, is set to rise during Q2. This is a fairly easily identifiable cost that we know is rising, but there may be other rising costs coming our way across the roughly 6,000 SKUs that we sell. As we discussed before, we can take an inventory position to buy us some time. We can also consider price increases to help mitigate some of these rising costs, Just given the overall environment, we thought it seemed appropriate to guide the manner that we have at this point. And yes, to your point, We do believe the Heavy 16 acquisition will be accretive.
Thanks. If I could circle in just a little bit on that, I guess, could you talk about how this acquisition fits in kind of with the future expectations of acquiring Nutrien Brands? Do we think of this as like the platform asset with the manufacturing capacity to onboard other nutrient brands, potentially virtual brands, quickly realizing the synergies? Or instead, will you need the manufacturing capacity to keep up with the growth at Heavy 16 as well as potential businesses you're onboarding. Thanks.
Yes, good question, Andrew, and thank Yes, we're going to need more than just Heavy 16 to really have a full platform of nutrients. It's a fantastic business. It's in a Farm brand new, but relatively small physical facility in Los Angeles. And look, the nutrient industry ships a lot of water, very expensive water, very expensive transportation these days. And so ultimately, I'd like to think of a world where you had regional capability to produce and ship things a lot less distance and a lot less water Farm.
Moving around, but I think that's a better model for the longer term. So the specific answer to your question is, it's certainly a nice start in building a platform, but there's more that needs We've done to really give us the kind of the full range
that we would like to have.
Thanks. I'll pass it on.
Thanks a lot.
And our next question is from Andrea Teixeira with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Farm. Thank you. Good afternoon. I just wanted to go back to the guide and try, if our math is correct, I think you're looking at a 15 meter contribution to for sales from Gojeba 16. So correct me if I'm wrong, Your guide probably implies about 26% to 36% organic growth for 2021.
And if you can help us like Like I think you've got about 6% growth in pricing, if you can decompose that and also decompose the EBITDA guide increase Between organic and heavy 16.
Farm. Yes, sure. Just I'll jump in. And thanks, Andrea, for the question. Yes, I mean, in terms of the organic gross split versus M and A, which is really at this point heavy 2016.
Yes, I think the numbers you mentioned are certainly in the ballpark. Farm. I would say in terms of the EBITDA guide, I mean, I think you can kind of decompose the math a little bit on Farm Heavy 16 based on sort of the bread crumb trail we left in the press release for the signing announcement on Heavy 16. I think when you do that, Farm. You can kind of imply from our organic EBITDA that it's quite strong and certainly a guide up from what we had previously provided back at the end of
Arch. Yes. No, I can take it offline, but it's consistent with just what you said is a Pretty high EBITDA margin, right? So and I think when I'm thinking of like how accretive it is And not only that, how your commentary about state and commodity costs in general. Should we expect Q2 building to that 6%, I think it was 6% that I saw in the release right on pricing.
So if you can build into that and grow pricing farming as well and therefore you have some cushion for deceleration in volumes into the back half?
Farm. Yes, there has been some cost increases John outlined. I mean, obviously, bottles with resin going up have gone up a good bit. There's a lot of pressure on a number of things. The other piece we're having Trouble with its labor, not just the cost of labor, but just physically getting people to find a higher.
So that's adding cost to there as we're trying to Farm Accelerate the production capability at Heavy-sixteen and frankly, the whole distribution network is having pressure on that one. Farm. But yes, you could assume that pricing there's been pricing in the category. We generally work very hard to make sure we price through All cost increases we get from our supply base, you can expect us to do that when we see them come through. So there will be some pricing going forward.
Farm. But it's a challenging time and I appreciate Andrew's question a minute ago, Andrea, on the overall margin mix question. We are being cautious because the unknown is where the challenge has come and we really fought a lot of it off in Q1 and end up with a great margin. We had some pent up demand on some really profitable products that got shipped out in March. So we probably got a little ahead of ourselves for the year on the margin there.
But I I think overall, we feel good about where we sit and feel like the evolution is coming through as we had hoped.
Yes. And you're seeing the competitors doing the same, passing on these price increases?
Yes. Yes.
There has been some pricing from quite a few factors in the categories we competed.
Perfect. I'll pass it on. Thank you again.
Farm. Thanks, Andrew.
And our next question is from Kevin Maric with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Farm. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thanks for the question. Just wondering if you can comment on trends exiting the quarter, kind of what you've seen Farm in April and through the 1st 2 weeks of May, 2Q obviously is tough comp and something about framing growth as we progress through the year.
Farm. Yes, the absolute volume level has stayed, if not very consistent with Q1. Actually, it's kicked up a bit as you would Act as we go into our Q2, which is our strongest volume quarter, Q2 and Q3, but running up against bigger comps. As we had cautioned Before the year, we had a +20 in Q1 that we just lapped with a +66. Our Q2 was plus 40 last year Farm.
We're now lapping and then we hit 260s in the back half. So absolute volumes are continuing to, I would say, seasonally adjust and are larger, Farm, which is great, but we are running up against bigger comps from last year.
Got it. Understood. And then kind of within that growth that you are seeing, are there kind of are there varying trends between some of the categories that are worth noting? I mean, Farm. In the prepared remarks, I noted that you said growth was broad based, but I'm wondering if there's anything to call out.
Yes. I would say that frankly, we've had a very good year on kind of our equipment categories on a couple of key brands. Farm. Grow Media, even though it had a wonderful year last year, is doing the same thing again. And the Nutrien side of it remained real strong.
I mean, Farm. The growth is differentiated by category, but they're all kind of in a similar place having a year when you start out the year plus 66
Farm. Everything is doing pretty well.
Right. I appreciate that. It's a good place to be. Just one more, if I could tack it on. Sure.
The M and A
environment, what does your pipeline look like? What kind of conversations are you having on the heels of Heavy 16 and kind of
Farm. Yes. Pipeline is still very good. There's a lot of interest and activity in a number of these deals right now, more than there was 6 months ago. I think us coming out and coming out in the situation that we were in, then doing the secondary, then doing heavy 16.
It's kind of showing people that we really are here to do deals and we're going to be adding businesses in, but the market is very competitive for these kind of assets, particularly ones that have the growth and profit profile and the opportunity to enter Farm. A massive category like controlled environment agriculture and the supplies for that. So I would say it's a very good pipeline that we're working with, but There's a lot of people that have interest in the categories as well.
Understood. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Thank you, Kevin.
And our next question is from Jon Andersen with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.
Farm. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the question.
Hi, John. How are you?
Hi. Good, good. Congrats on a strong start, by the way. I wanted to just ask about the mix of the business across brand segments. It sounds like you were strong across the board, But could you talk a little bit more about maybe the relative strength of the proprietary brand versus the preferred and distributed?
Farm. Are you seeing where you are from an overall mix perspective now? And maybe what you're targeting or what you think would be an optimum mix a couple of years down the road when you hit more of kind of a run rate level.
Yes. Our proprietary brands are growing Farm. Good bit faster than our distributor brands right now, and that's a very good thing for our P and L. That's one of the things that's driven the margin in Q1. We've historically been sort of in the low 30s as a percent of total on proprietary.
The number has now moved up to kind of mid to high 30s, if you will, as a percent. We even had a month over 40. But that's kind of the trend we're seeing sort of 300 basis points, 400 basis points of expanded penetration in proprietary, which is key for us to Farm. Our goal via M and A and innovation and focus would be to get that number into the 40s 50s. And if you talk about 3 to 5 years from now, I'd like to be 60% or greater in our own brands.
And that's not to say that partner and preferred and distributor aren't important, but to really give us control of our own destiny and to drive our own branded differentiated success with our retail customers and ultimately with growers, we need to have our own innovation, our own brands. And we do that, we hope beautifully, and then we do that and combine it What our partner brands do and give us that scale and that sort of frequently shopped product that we know we can distribute very efficiently and effectively. So those two things, They work hand in glove. They don't have to work against each other.
Yes, that makes sense. Just one more for me. On Heavy 16, You mentioned it, I think available in 300 of the 1200 some odd hydroponic storage across the country and fairly concentrated Farm on a state basis. Could you talk about why that is and what you can do and over what kind of timeframe to kind of affect that in a positive fashion? Thanks.
Yes. No, it's a good question. It was kind of a surprise to us because the business got started in California, so it's not surprising it's from California, right? They also got into Michigan very early and did a really good sampling and selling and demo program in Michigan and got a great presence there and then kind of as often happens in this industry, sort of word-of-mouth and relationship and people talking about the products, Get you exposed to other customers, other growers. And so Michigan went really well.
And Oklahoma opened up really rapidly, as we all know, and everybody got did well in Oklahoma and that became a spill off from for another state for them and of course, Colorado is the 4th state where they do really well. And it gives you a sense, Colorado has obviously been around a long time, so It's an easier one to understand. Our goal is to take this into other states with kind of the Michigan model that they used to launch there a few years ago to get product into people's hands, to work with our retail partners and growers locally in each market, to create the opportunities for people to use team that may not have heard of it or don't understand its simplicity and sort of the elegance of the brand and how it works and the simple Farm 2 part formula that it represents. All those things are really, the way to get a brand like this launched into new markets. So we literally had a call today with our sales team and started talking about the retail implementation of this.
We're keeping all the heavy 16 salespeople, it's kind of the category experts. Our folks will be the generalists, they'll be the category experts and we'll just keep building this brand together and building all of our Nutrien partner brands as well because we can now take more of a category management approach to this versus an individual brand approach.
Absolutely. Thanks for the help on that and good luck going forward.
Thanks,
Farm. Our next question is from Bill Chappell with Chappell Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks. Good afternoon.
Hey, Bill.
Hey, just one last one on Heavy team. I mean, I think I'm right in saying that it didn't probably grow as fast as the industry or as your sales last year because it was capacity constrained. I You talked about a $500,000 expansion in CapEx near term. How long does it take to kind of get it up to where it needs to be In terms of capacity for you to be able to grow and move into all these different states or grow at least as fast as your core business?
Farm. It actually we grew 45% last year. They grew 57%. So they did a great job Farm. Even in that limited capacity, right?
They have a number of products that are some are co packed, some are packed at home, so they get a little bit of both, right?
Farms. We in a week
and a half of going in there and working with our ops people, we've already gotten production up kind of 30%, 40%, 50% heading to higher numbers. This is some basic block and tackle changes that we've been able to put in. So we think we can Support a lot of the growth now with just some basic stuff. And then the new line that we're buying is for some of the larger sizes, That's going to take about 14 weeks to get in. Once it's in, so call that, let's say 3 or 4 months, we should be in the back half ready to go with that expanding capacity as well.
So these are fairly simple processes. They're highly technical formulations, but they're simple processes of blending and bottling. So once we get the capacity and the workflow is really the biggest issue. Once we get that workflow built in right, Farm. We can expand capacity pretty quick.
We're also only running one shift. And so there's another opportunity there if we can find people Farm. To get another shift added and other things.
Sure. And then, SAG, just looking at your updated guidance of 30% to 40% top line. Obviously, some of that's from Heavy 16%, some of that's from the Q1 outperformance. But I'm just trying to look Farm. The organic raise for the remainder of the year or your optimistic outlook for the remainder of the year, how much of that is coming from Farm.
New states, new customers versus just the continued strength of and it could be existing customers just Farm upgrading to new lighting. I just I was just trying
it's
tough to understand how much it seems like it's really just mining the core markets. It's not really new markets right now.
Farm. That's right. I mean, New York pushed out the 22, New Jersey is still arguing, other states aren't sure. They pass and people think the next day is going to get Farm. Arizona is the exception.
Arizona won it fast in November. By Q1 of this Our volume was up 3x or 4x off the small base from the year before. So it's very hard to say. Still our fastest growing area In terms of dollars, it's California, right? That's the biggest state, so it doesn't have to grow much to be the fastest dollar, but it is the fastest.
And that just speaks to, Like you say, people are relamping. They're shifting away from high pressure sodium and double ended in the LEDs. They're building new farm. There's just a Massive amount of growth going on across almost every geography, every brand category and every type of grower. We think that the obvious Farm.
Kind of home use market is one of the reasons that this thing is growing underneath so fast because the TAM is actually a lot larger than people think and can have Farm. Identify, so you've got states that haven't even moved legislatively, you're seeing nice growth in because the hobbyists are back in doing what they're doing. And so it is just a fun business to watch because you've got growth from all different aspects that you don't have in a lot of industries.
Sure. No, absolutely. And then last one for me, just back on the M and A pipeline. I mean, since you went public, Farm. Hawthorne has now publicly said they're more interested in M and A than they had been in the past for past few years.
So are you comfortable that all the potential sellers don't hear, hey, now we've got a bidding war, I want top dollar, and you just Ken, it ends up pricing a lot of these deals out of the market.
Yes. I think, first of all, they're overall discipline company. We try to be a disciplined company as well. I think they will show up for the bids that are Farm. Appropriate and important to move their needle, right?
And we're going to show up for the ones that move our needle. And that will have a little bit different definition, right? Farm. For them, which has a market cap far greater than ours, they probably have a little higher bar in terms of things that are interesting to them. Farm.
For us, we can do a lot of things on a tuck in basis that add a lot of value to our company, and just keep building from there. Farm.
Great. Well, thanks so much.
Thanks, Phil.
We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.
That's great. Thank you all very much for being a part of the call today. I'm glad to get Q1 in the books and tell you about it, and we look forward to more good news down the road. Thanks so much. Take care.
This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.