Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to your Intel Corporation Q3 20 13 Earnings Conference. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr.
Mark Henninger. Sir, you may begin your conference.
Thank you, Nova, and welcome everyone to Intel's Q3 2013 conference call. By now, you should have received a copy of our earnings release and the CFO commentary that goes along with that. If you've not received both documents, they're currently available on our investor website, intc.com. I'm joined today by Brian Krzanich, our CEO and Stacy Smith, our Chief Financial Officer. In a moment, we'll hear brief remarks from both of them followed by Q and A.
Before Before we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussions contain forward looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it and as such does include risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Also, if during this call we use any non GAAP financial measures or references, We'll post the appropriate GAAP financial reconciliation to our website intc.com. And finally, I'd like to remind everyone that we'll be hosting our Investor Day here at our Santa Clara headquarters on November 21. If you have questions about the event or the logistics, please contact Investor Relations.
So with that, let me hand the call over to Brian.
Thanks, Mark. During the Q3, our revenue grew 5% sequentially and was flat versus the Q3 of 2012. Year over year, PC CPU volume declined, slowed and were set by solid growth in the data center and enterprise. While consumer demand in emerging markets was sluggish, we started to see early Signs of improvement in North America and Western Europe. I see our performance in this environment as evidence of an increasingly broad and diverse product portfolio.
I'd like to highlight a few of the most important results from the quarter. Following the launch of Ivy Bridge EP and the Atom based Avaton SoCs, the Data Center Group delivered all time record revenue. ECG saw strength Across its lines of business and geographies. Cloud revenue was up 40% year over year. Storage was up 20% and high performance computing was up 27%.
Even traditional enterprise servers were up a bit over the last year on the strength of our NP product line. While the Data Center Group's results demonstrate some of Intel's core capabilities, We saw strong performance beyond DCG. Our embedded business grew 21% year over year, reaching an all time record For revenue driven by communications infrastructure, transportation, the Internet of Things and retail. Embedded revenue is well on its way to a double digit growth year. Just a few weeks ago, we announced our newest product family, cork, an ultra low power And low cost architecture.
And while any significant revenue impact is some time away, the architecture and the speed with which we're bringing it to market are evidence that the changes we're making to ensure we're in a better position to lead and define technology trends moving forward. And finally, our NAND business grew 20% over last year. As enterprise and data center customers increasing Use of high performance SSDs have put this segment on a path to double digit growth for the year. We continue to make progress with the industry's first 14 nanometer manufacturing process and our 2nd generation 3 d transistors. Broadwell, The first product on 14 nanometers is up and running as we demonstrated at the Intel Developer Forum last month.
And while we're comfortable with where we're at with yields, from a timing standpoint, we're about a quarter behind our projections. As a result, we're now planning to begin production in the Q1 of next year. In the wireless business, I was pleased with our progress on LTE. Our multimode data modem is now available in the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3. By the end of the year, we expect to have voice over LTE versions available for customers.
And our 2nd generation of voice over LTE product with carrier aggregation will be available in the first half of next year. Over the past couple of months, we've also launched 15 new 22 nanometer Adam SoCs. These products are designed for markets ranging from consumer tablets to cloud data centers. During the holiday selling season, you'll see Atom SoCs in tablets as low as $99 and in 2 in-one systems as low as 3.49. At the same time, you'll also find Haswell systems With outstanding performance and 50% better battery life using Windows 8, macOS and Chrome as low as $2.99 Together, Bay Trail and Haswell are making possible a range of innovative new form factors at breakthrough price points.
The past few years have seen dramatic changes in the way consumers use and interact with technology, and those trends aren't slowing down. And while preferences for form factor, OSs and price points have evolved, the market's appetite for computing has continued to grow. We're going into the 4th quarter with the broadest portfolio in Intel's history, positioned to fully participate in all of that growth. With that, let me turn the call over to Stacy.
Thanks, Brian. The 3rd quarter revenue came in as expected and gross margin was slightly better than the midpoint of the forecasted range. 3rd quarter revenue came in at $13,500,000,000 up 5% from the 2nd quarter. At a segment level, The PC client group grew 4% sequentially and the data center group grew 6%. The data center group returned double digit year on year growth in the 3rd quarter, Growing 12% from a year ago.
As expected, inventory levels across the worldwide PC supply chain grew slightly as customers built Haswell based PCs, but inventory levels are still being managed well below historical averages. For the Q4 of 2013, we are forecasting the midpoint of the revenue range at $13,700,000,000 up 2% from the 3rd quarter. Relative to the historical seasonal increase, the 4th quarter forecast reflects the orders we are seeing from our customers and their desire to keep inventory levels lean. Moving to gross margin. 3rd quarter gross margin of 62% was up 4 points from the 2nd quarter and up 1 point from our guidance.
The increase from the 2nd quarter was as a result of lower platform unit costs, Higher platform revenue and lower write offs. In addition, factory start up costs came down in the 3rd quarter As spending on process engineers was reclassified from cost of sales to R and D. For the Q4, we expect gross margin to decrease by 1 point to 61% as we increased factory spending on 14 nanometer. For the Q3, spending was down $100,000,000 from expectations and flat from the Q2 at $4,700,000,000 The $100,000,000 decrease from expectations was as a result Of a lot of small actions across the company to reduce spending. For the Q4, we are forecasting spending consistent with the 3rd quarter at $4,700,000,000 In order to better align resources with our priorities, during the Q3, we approved and communicated several restructuring actions.
Restructuring charges in the 3rd quarter were just north of $100,000,000 and we expect restructuring in the 4th quarter to be roughly flat. Operating income for the 3rd quarter was $3,500,000,000 with earnings per share of $0.58 Taking a look at the balance sheet, total cash investments ended the quarter at $19,100,000,000 up $1,800,000,000 from the 2nd quarter. In the Q3, we generated approximately $6,000,000,000 in cash from operations, paid approximately $1,000,000,000 in dividends, purchased almost $3,000,000,000 in capital assets and repurchased over $500,000,000 in stock. Inventories were flat from the 2nd quarter. The 4th quarter revenue forecast of up 2% reflects the caution we are seeing from our customers due to weak consumer end markets for the PC segment of our business.
That said, we are seeing some important positive trends. The enterprise market for PCs strengthened in the 3rd quarter and the consumer markets in the U. S. And Europe appear to have bottomed out. Our data center business returned to double digit year on year growth based on the resumption of growth in the Enterprise market segment and continued robust growth in cloud, high performance computing and storage.
From a product perspective, we have an unprecedented lineup of products coming to the market this holiday season. Aswel delivers a historical increase in battery life across a diverse lineup of ultra mobile form factors like 2 in-one convertibles, tablets and other touch enabled devices. We are also starting to see our customers come to With Baytrail based designs that will further extend our product line across screen sizes and price points in both tablets and PCs. This extension of our product lineup across devices, price points and operating systems positions us to grow our business across a broad range of compute devices. With that, let me turn it back over to Mark.
All right. Thank you, Brian and Stacy. Moving on to Q and A, as is our normal practice, we would ask each participant to ask one question and just one follow-up if you have one. Nokuba, would you like to go ahead and introduce our first question, please?
And our first question comes from the line of Joe Moore of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Great. Thank you. Can you talk about the PC client market? If you look at the IDC data, they actually showed sequential growth that was a little higher than yours. So I know you got tired of us asking all the time why you guys We're above them when they were negative.
Just any reconciliation that you could give us on as it looked like they showed sort of 8% sequential growth, A reconciliation of their numbers to yours.
Yes. Joy, I don't I think when you get into the quarter on quarter movements, it's hard to tie out. When we look at their view of the year and our view of the year, it still is roughly in line. So, it could come down to just what's happening in the inventory pipeline. Sometimes differences come down to what's happening in China, but I think we're pretty aligned with their view.
Remember, our unit growth will be a little Higher than what they show in their headline PC number because our unit growth will include things like tablets and 2 in ones and things like that.
Great. And then the comment that inventories in the PC supply chain built slightly sequentially, but are still below normal. Can you characterize what's going on there? And Where do you expect that to go over the course of the rest of this year?
Yes. I think it's a continuation, Joe, of what we've seen really the last 4 or 5 quarters. Our customers are managing the worldwide inventory of PC supplies to lean levels. I think it's a reflection of just how dynamic the industry is and some of the markets how volatile it is. So they're keeping inventory levels low.
That was true in Q2. It's true in Q3. And The expectation in Q4 is that people will continue to manage things lean. And then I'll say for our own inventory levels, We've taken $1,000,000,000 plus out of our aggregate inventory. It was relatively flat quarter on quarter.
And Again, as I think about Q4, I think we'll keep our inventory levels flat to down from this.
Okay. Thank you very much, Joe.
Our next question comes from the line of Blayne Curtis of Barclays. Your line is open.
Thanks Two questions.
If you could just provide some general color on the when you look at your outlook at plus 2 within desktops, notebooks and servers, do you expect all three segments to To grow to December. Thanks.
Sure. This is Brian. We don't see those as varying greatly amongst them. So we See all of those segments growing as we move into the Q4. And as we said in our prepared statements, what we saw in the Q3 and we believe will move into the 4th as well as stabilization in what I'll call the mature markets U.
S, Western Europe and with Asia and especially China still remaining relatively volatile. And that's where we see the growth as well as in Mature and emerging Western Europe and U. S. Markets.
And if I can get some color on the server portion, Brian was talking about the clients there. In the server market, We saw nice unit growth in Q3 and I'd actually expect that unit growth on a year over year basis Accelerate in Q4. So, I think we'll have an acceleration of server DCG revenue growth when we get into the 4th quarter And that will be significantly above the corporate average.
Thanks for that. And then it may be a little early on Bay Trail, but if you could just talk about the Customer adoption and then any early indications of sales of those products. And then as you look at this kind of Touch enabled device, how those expectations of adoption of that progress through the year and as you look at the holiday season?
Sure. This is again Brian. So remember, Baytrail has always been a second half and really a late second half Introduction product and that was a pull it. So we pulled that in order to bring it into 2013. We've seen great adoption.
We have over 50 design wins with about half of those being 2 in 1 devices. We talked about those devices hitting new price points. The other place that Betrayal is going into is tablet. We think that by Black Friday, you'll see 8 to 10 SKUs on shelf. So that's less than we'd hoped for, but that Phil shows the 50 design wins shows really strong adoption.
The second part of your question was around touch, which is a broader question. We continue to see touch adoption growing month by month as the price points come down and the price Point adder now is below $50 We've put touch as a requirement for the 4th generation core ultra books. And you're seeing Baytrail clamshells with touch enabled at $2.99 which is a new real price point for touch Enabled Devices. So we see it continuing to grow as we enter next year.
Okay. Thanks for that. Thanks, Blayne.
Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Lang of Evercore. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks a lot. Hey, you guys talked a lot about traction in your low priced tablets, Chromebooks, handset, handset, even talked about Avatan and low power server. Your notebook ASP, I think, was also down slightly year over year. Can you talk about and give us some perspective on the trajectory of your ASP is longer term.
And then I mean is this something that really concerns you guys?
ASP for us will really be a function of mix. I think we have A very strong competitive position when you think about the server segment of our business, the core segment of our product line. I think the pricing within the bands in those markets is pretty stable. We haven't been increasing pricing even at a time period where our ASP Increases has just been a function of mix. And so if I think out at the next couple of years, what I think will happen is you'll see Those higher end price bands were driving for some low level of growth.
You'll See faster growth at the low end price bands and then you'll see faster growth in the server segment of our business. And how it plays out to the average is going to be a function of mix. The thing you don't want to lose here though and we've talked about before is that we have very different cost structures among the different segments of the business. So, for us, A Baytrail effect that has a lower ASP isn't necessarily a bad thing relative to a Celeron, because it also has a much better cost structure relative to the Celeron.
No, understand. Okay. Thanks very much for that. And then also, I think you talked about a delay of broad oil production by quarter. If you had ramped it this quarter, What would the impact have been to gross margins?
I guess, in other words, what are some of the things we should think about when that production actually ramps?
Yes. So, no impact to Q3 gross margin. I think you can see that on reconciliation and no impact to Q4 gross margin from what we were expecting. Yes, we would as I kind of telegraphed on the call last time, 14 nanometer spending was projected and will increase quarter on quarter. That will be about 0.5.
Decrement to gross margin, But that's the same decrement. It will probably hit us in different buckets, but it's the same impact on gross margin.
Okay. Nothing different in the Q1?
Yes. Also, I'd give you the same answer as I think about 2014. Roughly speaking, the spending on 14 nanometer is going to be the same, which means that the gross margin impact over the course of 2014 will be the same as it was. Again, it may hit in different buckets, But it will be the same gross margin impact. Okay.
Thanks so much.
Our next question comes from the line of Doug Friedman of RBC Capital.
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. And Stacy, if I could just build on that a little bit going through, can you give us an idea of what type of startup Charges we're going to weather next year. Yes. That's probably a better conversation For the investor meeting that's in a month, I'll start to give some of the puts and takes on 2014 gross margin and how we're viewing the business.
But it is related back to the question that was just asked on the 14 nanometer push. And so Let me walk you through a little bit about the categorization in Q4, which may give you some insight into how this could play out. As I said and as Brian said, we're moving production on 14 nanometer out about a quarter. We're seeing an increase in 14 nanometer spending in Q4 as we would have expected. What we thought a quarter ago And what I telegraphed on the call is that as that spending increases and we start production, we move cost from start up to production cost, But then we reserve it out.
And if you remember last quarter on the call, I said expect some headwinds in Q4 to gross Margin because we have an increase in reserves. Well, as we push the production date, what you'll see is the same impact on gross margin, But in Q4, it's likely to be a little bit of an increase in start up cost and then you won't see the reserve impact that we had expected a quarter ago. So Slightly different buckets. I'd still expect next year you'll see a reduction in start up costs that may be a little less than what we've seen In other even number of years, but then you'll see an offset on the other side of that of reserves and so the same gross margin impact over the course of the year. Great.
And for my follow-up, Brian, could you give us an idea of your first Couple of quarters here and we've noticed clearly with Quark and your moves to try to make the company move a little quicker, We're now having some restructuring charges. Where are those restructuring charges targeted at? And what might be some of the trigger points that you have to make you Move the ship in a different direction, is the slowdown in PCs or notebooks, is there a trigger point that makes you change the way in which you attack some of these businesses?
Sure. So first I would separate a bit The restructuring charges from our desire to move quicker into broader markets. Restructuring charges were around the shutdown of the Hudson, Massachusetts factory. And that was really talking about That was our last 200 millimeter factory on 130 nanometers and that factory had just Finished its life as a factory and it couldn't be upgraded to 14 nanometers or beyond. So that's What most of that was.
And in general, restructuring charges aren't necessarily driven by how you move an organization like this into innovative new areas. For me, the way I look at this is, this is really about pushing our architecture in both directions. It's moving down and moving, Adam, to be more integrated, more capable with higher graphics and higher connectivity And then moving up on the data center side with more robust products there, more integration up there and more Unique products by customer and by workload to target those areas that can utilize our core technologies. And the trigger points for me as we move through these is really around how fast is the organization able to adapt. So we have A process coming where we want to be able to adjust products because we believe these markets are going to be changing up until the last minute before you ship something.
So 3 or 4 months before our product is going to ship, we want to get to a point where we could make changes in the characteristics of those products. And we're a ways away from that, maybe a year, year and a half, but we believe we can get to a place where we have that kind of flexibility and IP configuration that we can do that. Thanks,
Doug. I'll give Brian a little more credit here than he was giving himself. He's right. In The restructuring piece, the asset impairment is almost entirely driven by the factory. The larger portion of that is the people movement piece of it.
And I think Brian and Renee are both moving fast in terms of picking areas where they want to make investments, picking areas where we're going to invest less. And so that's the lion's share of that particular line item and almost all of the Q4 number is Just as we're looking to move people from one part of the company to make investments in an area where we think we're going to get an enhanced return. Great. Thanks for all the detail.
Our next question comes from the line of John Pitzer of Credit Suisse. Your line is open, sir.
Good morning. Brian, just a follow-up on the Broadwell. I'm just kind of curious why the push out? Can you elaborate a little bit? Is this a technical issue?
And if it is, Why are you confident you overcame it or is this really a market issue, I. E. There's a little bit excess Ivy Bridge inventory, which is Pushing out Haswell, which is the ramp, which is pushing out Broadwell. If you could elaborate, that would be great.
Sure. It's absolutely not the latter. It was Simply a defect density issue. This was as we develop these technologies, what you do is You're continually improving the defect densities and those result then in a yield, a number of die per wafer that you get out of the product. And what happens is you insert a set of fixes in groups.
You'll put 4 or 5, maybe sometimes 6 or 7 Fixes into a process and group it together and run it through and you expect an improvement rate. Occasionally as you go through that The fixes don't deliver all of the improvement you thought. We had one of those. Why do I have confidence? Because we've gone back now and Added additional fixes, gotten back onto that curve.
So we have confidence that the problem is fixed because we have actually data that it is fixed. And so that gives us the confidence that we're going to keep moving forward now. And that happens sometimes in these development phases like this. So that's why we're going to move it a quarter. Remember, Broadwell and Haswell are PIN compatible, so for the most part, these will slide into existing systems And it delivers the next generation of the low power Broadwell Y, which is going to Give even more capability for fanless core products.
So we are we and our OEM partners have a strong desire to get Broadwell to the market. So if I could, there would be nothing slowing me down. This is a small blip in the schedule and we'll Continue on from here.
Perfect. That's helpful, Brian. And then as my follow-up, Stacy, the last couple of quarters relative to the gross Margin bridge or puts or takes, you've kind of given ASP as a potential allowance on the downside. And I guess I didn't see that In Q4, which kind of confuses me a little bit given that that's the Bay Trail quarter ramp. And so I'm kind of curious, are you just getting more confidence as you're mixing lower That ASP is not a factor in gross margin or how should I think about that?
Well, I think it goes back to the Question I answered earlier. So, yes, I mean, as we're successful with Baytril, it will cause the average ASP to come down in the client group, but keep in mind, we're forecasting a very robust growth rate in the data center and so you have Kind of the highest end of the Intel product family growing significantly faster than the rest. Perfect. Thank you. By the way, I think it's also notable in Q3, our ASP was up a smidge.
It was about 0.5 point of Gross margin, good news, which was better than I expected.
Our next question comes from the line of rahmat shah of Nomura. Your line is open.
Great. Thank you. On DCG, you guys have been talking about a double digit annual growth target for the year. And just Based on my math, you would need to grow data center 20 plus percent in the 4th quarter to get there. So could you talk a little bit about near term momentum?
And then as a follow-up, I just wanted to ask about the federal shutdown. It seems like it's dragging on. I'm wondering if you're seeing any impact to your broader enterprise business? This is Stacy. I'll take those and Brian can editorialize on our Elected representatives.
On the data center, yes, we're don't pin me down to exactly 10% Growth, but we're going to be within spitting distance of that for the year. That does imply a growth rate that significantly accelerated from the 12 percent that we had in Q3 and that's what I expect and that's what Brian expects from the GM of that business. Generally, what we're seeing Brian talked about the really robust growth We're seeing in the cloud, high performance computing, storage and we've seen a resumption of Some growth rate in the enterprise, which has been the headwind that we've been facing in that business. On the debt ceiling debate, I'd say we have not seen any impacts on our business. I think generally the financial markets have been pretty I'm tame in their reaction to this as I but it's in my opinion Needs to be fixed.
We don't want to cause people to doubt that U. S. Is going to make good on its It's debt obligations.
I'm not going to comment any further on that one.
All right. Thanks.
Our next question comes from the line of Glenn Young of Citi. Your line is open.
Thank you. Brian, I probably heard this wrong, but just wanted to clarify. You made a reference earlier to macOS. Were you suggesting that you would see day trail devices using macOS? No.
I said that we would have products across the board. It's Haswell. Okay. Very good. Just wanted to clarify that.
That was a group I think that comment was around Baytrail and Haswell in all OS forms. Okay. Okay. Glad we clarified that then. As a follow-up, I did want a little bit more color, if you would, on what you're seeing in enterprise.
It's consistent with what I've been seeing in the quarter as well. But what I don't understand and hopefully you may have more color on this, is the fact that it's enterprise suggestive That it may be a more sustainable trend than we would otherwise see. And do you see any underlying reasons for why enterprise may be getting better? Well, so you're talking about the Classic Enterprise. I think this is a case where At least up until recent times, especially in the U.
S, as Companies became more comfortable with what the spending horizon was going to be and what their projections for the rest of the year were. They So to unleash IT budgets and so we started to see an uptick in that, especially Western Europe and the U. S. Started to continue it started to grow again slightly. Do we think it will be continue?
We at least through the 4th quarter. We're not making any projections yet for the full 2014. We'll talk about those at our Investor Meeting. But you can imagine that Given where we are with cloud and networking and storage and the enterprise, We're seeing the same kind of projections. All right.
Thanks very much.
Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Rolland of FBR. Your line is open.
Thanks for the question. I thought maybe you guys could give us a little more granularity into what's going on with the other IA operating loss. Do we sort of think that this is about as large as it gets as Bay Trail ramps or how do we think about that on an ongoing basis? Is this a good run rate or How do you guys sort of forecast that going forward?
I think I can unequivocally say for Brian and I, it's not a good run We don't enter businesses to lose money. So our intent is to improve it. I think it's probably worthwhile to talk about what's happening. We're going to do year over year or quarter on quarter, probably year over year is the more illustrative portion of that. What you see going on in Other IA is, 1st and foremost, the embedded or the Intelligent Systems Group had a very good quarter, record revenues, robust growth rate, very profitable.
Offsetting that is Really three things that impact the operating profit. So, 1st, net books are coming to the end of their life as category. We're down to some single digit millions of revenue from netbooks. A year ago, that was pretty robust and those were pretty profitable products. A year ago, if you recall, we were talking about a buying pattern from one particular customer in the modem space That didn't repeat this year, so you get a little bit of a year on year comp.
And then the other impact is This is a place where we've been making significant investments. The things that we've been talking about here of having products, SoCs that span across Price point across operating systems, those are places where we're making investment. We believe that investment You know is really important to the future of the company and we believe that investment gives us a differentiated competitive advantage out in time And let's us bring the best products to the market out in time.
Okay, great. Thank you for that. Also on the Broadwell quarter push out, do we make up for that at some point in the future or would this also push Skylake?
Yes. We do not think it will push Skylake. So this is just and in fact we'll even make up In total volume within a quarter or 2 after the 1 quarter push. So we tend to make these up very, very quickly. And the 2 are independent.
The early learning that's going on and during the process development has no impact on Skylake's ability to come to market.
Okay. Thanks so much guys.
Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Cassidy of Stifel, Nicholas and Company. Your line is
open. Thank you. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted a few more details on the data center, Some of the moving parts. Stacy, you said that you expected unit growth to accelerate in the 4th quarter.
Would that be because of the Avaton? Or do you expect ASPs to go up So is it the mix shift going to higher performance servers? Boy, you give an inch. I think I'm not going to get more granular than I got. I would expect that unit growth accelerates from what we saw in Q3 and revenue growth accelerates from the 12% year over year growth we saw in Q3.
I'm not going to get more granular than that. Okay. Maybe if you could just tell us about the Q3 with ASPs up 2%. Was that mostly driven by the Introduction of E5 or is it an overall shift towards higher performance computing? Yes.
I'd say it was Probably more tied to the fact that the enterprise segment went from decline to some single digit growth and that is tied to the E5. It's a combination of those two things, but the enterprise tends to buy a pretty rich mix of MP. That's why it's such an important segment for us. And so single digit growth there is pretty Okay. Thank you.
Thanks, Kevin.
Our next question comes from the line of Ambrish Srivastava from BMO, your line is open.
Thank you very much. My first question is on the guidance, Brian, and you told us that the guidance is based on what you're seeing, the order patterns that you're seeing. Just wanted a little bit more color as to in terms of form factors from your OEM customers as well as from you. There Seems to be more out there. So in European, what is it?
Is it not the right form factor for OEMs, which is causing And we all understand the macro is pretty anemic. But in the context of new products that are coming out, it has to be disappointing for you to see the order pattern. So what's in your opinion is causing that? And I had a quick follow-up after that please.
So I'm not Sure. I completely understand your question. If your question is around the number and variety of form factors, We're actually pretty excited about the rate of innovation we're seeing in 2 in ones, in convertibles, In OS forms, Android, Chromebooks and Win8, 8.1. So we've been pretty Enthusiastic about what we're seeing and in fact we've been meeting with most of our customers and OEMs and looking at their Q1 lineup with them and I've been astonished by the amount of innovation and creative designs that are coming. I think when you talk about just the market in general how we see it, we're trying To bring innovation to the PC, but we're also trying to move into these markets that are growing already like tablets and phones.
And so Our view is that at the end of the day, the customer is going to choose their form factors. And tablets are absolutely here to stay and we plan to participate in those and that's why you see us in tablets from $99 to $3.50 And Our job is to try and innovate and actually drive capabilities into the tablet space that nobody else could deliver and bring that valuation and drive up in those markets. Across PCs, we believe that As 2 in ones, especially Haswell based 2 in ones with all day battery come to life, we are already seeing some signs of tablet Market share win back as these 2 in 1 devices, especially in enterprise and the business side, Hit the market and people see the value of having both devices, the best of both devices, a tablet and a PC all in one. And We believe that as we go through the Q4 and we get more of these devices out there, we'll see how this plays out over time now.
Okay. That's helpful. And then on the pricing front, Stacy, you highlighted, yes, pricing could be lower on the mix, but then Cost is lower for Baytrail, but I'm just looking at the dichotomy in desktop and notebook and maybe there's a very simple explanation. Desktop volume is down year over year, ASP is up, notebook is the reverse. On the ASP front, ASP is down year over year, but volume is down Well, so could you just help me understand why the difference in the two trends?
Thank you.
Well, I think what you're seeing is You've seen notebook pricing coming down over time as that becomes a broader and broader market. So I think it's as simple as that. I think The desktop piece of this is so is really interesting. What we've seen in the desktop, again, I'm kind of zooming out and taking a 2 year view. You've seen a segment that's been relatively slow growth.
Think of it as kind of single digit percent growth, But a lot of segmentation happening within the category and so it's gone from the desktop business being primarily these Beige boxes to all in ones and detachable all in ones and pretty high performance Devices that are doing gaming as well as these very cost effective machines for first time buyers in emerging markets. So you've seen this Hyper segmentation of the category and more stability in the pricing as a result because you have these different segments. I think we're on the verge of Seeing that kind of segmentation play out now in the notebook segment with what we're seeing with 2N1s and Ultrabooks and Detachables and Convertibles. So it will be interesting to watch that play out. I'm ready for the next question.
Our next question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri of Cowen and Company, your line is open.
Thank you. First question is on CapEx. Stacy, is the cut due mostly to $450,000,000 You had said that there was no push out in the timing, but some of the companies selling equipment are saying that there has been some push out. So I'm just wondering where that cut's coming from.
You said it was $200,000,000 No, there's no there's actually no cut in there. We're just kind of refining our forecast as we get down to 1 quarter left in the year.
Got it. Great. And so just to be specific on the timing on $415,000,000 nothing has changed there? So let me answer that We have not changed our timing. We're still targeting the second later half of this decade.
We continue to see great value in 450. It Brings tremendous economic value to everybody who participates in it. We can We continue to work with our partners. We are part of the joint development program in New York, continuing to work on 450. We continue to work with our partners, especially TSMC and Samsung.
And we're still targeting the back half this decade. This is a long 10 year program when you really take a look at it. And so I think you'll get mixed signals throughout that 10 years. Take a look at the long term trend and then really start to understand the economic value here and you'll see It will get there in the end. Thanks Tim.
Okay. Thanks so much.
Our next question and comes from the line of David Wong of Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Thanks very much. So, Bay Trail, if I'm not mistaken, there are some Android tablets using Clover Trail Plus that are currently available. When might we expect Android
Sure. You're absolutely right. There are several tablets out there currently today with Clovitcha Plus Using Android? What I told you was there are about 50 designs on Bay Trail, about 20 of those are 2 in ones, Probably 25, 20 of them are PayTrail tablets on Android. There's going to be about 8 systems on shelf, 8 to 10 systems on shelf, we believe, by the say Black Friday timeframe, most of those will be Android tablets.
Okay, great. And could you fill us in on what proportion of your core sales will be Core family sales will be Haswell in the December quarter. And are you seeing Haswell Y being extensively adopted in tablets? Or is it Primarily, the regular Haswell that goes into tablets and 2 in ones.
Yes. We don't get to that level of granularity to break out our sales by Product family. I think Brian gave you some good insight into the number of systems that we see coming to the market, A lot of which will be there before Black Friday and then even more that kind of build out over the course of Q1. I'll let Brian, answer the Atriol why.
You asked Haswell why versus Haswell the standard. First, Most of the tablets we're building with OEM partners are Fitrail or as you say Covitrail Plus base. There are some that are being based on core. Most of those are being based on the standard core product. The Haswell Y's are going into either fanless systems or Extremely low power 2 in 1.
Yes. Thanks, David. Great. Thanks.
All right. Operator, we'd like to go ahead and take 2 more questions, please.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Covello of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks so much
Stacy, something you had alluded to in your presentation at the developer forum, I wonder where you think die sizes are headed On average for the company given some of the moves into these different markets that you talked about? Again, it's going to be similar to the ASP Key question. When you're talking average die size, it's really going to be a function of mix. So It becomes hard to answer. I think when you look at it by segment, we're improving our cost structure in each of the segments of the business.
So die size is going to get Better in the core family, it's going to get better in Baytrill, it's going to get better in the tablet segment of the business, but the mix will really dictate the average. Brian, if you want to add anything to that?
Yes. I would agree with Stacy. Each one of the families of products we have roadmaps Even with integration, but because of Moore's Law, we're able to continually drive down the die side.
It's going
to be mix dependent. We think if you look at the average mix, it will be down slightly, but it's not a dramatic drop Elyse, but again it will be mix driven.
Okay. That's helpful. And then if
I could ask for my follow-up, in terms of the mobile market, the handset market in particular, How important do you think connectivity and the other surrounding pieces around the processor are for Intel to be successful in this market? How do you feel your position in those complementary pieces around the process?
Sure. The connectivity and comms both are Very important. We've had Wi Fi for 12 plus years. So our position in Wi Fi is good. We've made acquisitions in GPS and GNSS lately to add to our portfolio.
And We've talked about in the prepared statements about our progress on LTE and we actually believe we're making great progress in LTE. We have LTE data now, LTE data and voice by the end of the year, LTE with carrier aggregation first half of next year. That's Very good progress in our minds on LTE. I want to remind you though, but it's really when you take a look at these SoC products, It's about all of the IPs. So you've got to get the graphics right.
You've got to get the connectivity right and you've got to get the comms right. And we really have a drive to both get our individual IPs correctly there and then to integrate them into And that's kind of the order that you have to do it in. You have to go get the IP correct. That's why you see us our LTE products are standalone now and then you integrate them in Once you get the capability in a standalone product and we'll be working on that next year.
Thank you so much.
Operator, please go ahead and introduce our last question.
Our final question comes from the line of Vivek Arya from BoA Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking my question. Brian, my first question is within DCG, can you help us quantify traditional enterprise versus Some of the growth categories in cloud, storage and networking. And what I'm going with that is when does this latter growth part Start dominating and what are the implications on ASP when that happens?
I've never done a calculation on when they would overtake enterprise. I mean, if you take a look at it, we said that cloud, Storage networking were growing 20 plus percent. I'd have to go back and take a look. We can have that discussion maybe at the investor meeting on how those percentages of the business change over time.
Vivek, if you go back and look at last year's investor meetings, you'll see something presented by Diane It actually very explicitly breaks out the size of the different segments and the growth rate. And what you'll see there is enterprise is 40%, 50% of The overall enterprise segment. These other segments in aggregate are overtaking it kind of as we speak and growing really fast. So and we'll talk a lot more about that in a month.
Got it. And then as my follow-up, I wanted to just get a sense How much of a leapfrog advantage will 14 nanometer provide in the mobile market? Because recently we saw very impressive benchmarks from Apple on their A7 SoC. I understand that they optimize a lot of things within their system that other customers may not be able to do. But they were able to show very impressive benchmarks on 28 nanometer silicon.
And I'm wondering as you think about your 14 nanometer products And the fact that you really need to leapfrog to get major share in mobile, how should we think about how big those advantages will be, right? What and with the customers have been so far?
Sure. So let's make sure we I mean you just Kind of use the generic word of benchmarks and there's a lot of different ones that are out there. And so I'm not sure exactly which ones you're talking about. But if you just take a look at our products And all of our products are 64 bit. So we've had that for an extended period of time and The products that we're shipping today are already 64 bit.
And if you take a look at things like transistor density and you compare, Pardon the pun, apples to apples and you compare say an A7 to our Baytrail, which is the high density 22 nanometer Technology, then our transistor density is higher or more dense than the A7 is. So it's a good product. I'm not in any way trying to deface that, but we do see the Moore's Law advantage from 28 to 22 As an example, when you compare dense technologies to dense technologies. We believe I mean 14 nanometer is just another extension of Moore's Law. So it will have that Same roughly twice density that you'll see between 'twenty eight and 'twenty two.
You'll see that same kind of increase Our improvement as you move to 14. It is a true 14 nanometer technology. Did I answer your question?
Yes. So, Brian, maybe what I was trying to get to was, as you look at the kind of Android or chrome customers that you might engage with 14 nanometer, how is that changing from the engagement that you have with Baytrail? Basically, the question is, is the level of engagement accelerating as they look at your 14 nanometer progress?
So, yes, from that perspective, they see a roadmap now. I think More importantly than just 14 nanometers, what they see is a roadmap from us around the ADAM SOC And they see Baytrail as a great first step, a great product. You've seen some of the performance benchmarks out there. We just talked about The transistor density, so Stacy has talked about our costs and our ability to hit these lower price points. It's got good graphics performance.
And as I said, we're able to provide a 64 bit solution across all OS options as well. And so they look at that and then they look at our roadmap and say, okay, they've got LTE, they've got connectivity, They've got them as standalone. They have plans to integrate those technologies in a basic SoC and they're starting to build confidence in our roadmap along with us. And that's I think what they really look at this as is that they see our ADAM roadmap that's highly competitive.
Thank you. Thanks, Vivek, and thank you all for joining us today. Nova, please go ahead and wrap up the call.
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