Good day, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to your Intel Corporation Q3 2013 earnings conference. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session, instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press star then zero on your touchtone telephone to reach an operator. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Mark Henninger. Sir, you may begin your conference.
Thank you, Nova, welcome everyone to Intel's third quarter 2013 conference call. By now, you should have received a copy of our earnings release and the CFO commentary that goes along with that. If you've not received both documents, they're currently available on our investor website, intc.com. I'm joined today by Brian Krzanich, our CEO, and Stacy Smith, our Chief Financial Officer. In a moment, we'll hear brief remarks from both of them, followed by Q&A. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussions contain forward-looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it, as such, does include risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially.
Also, if during this call we use any non-GAAP financial measures or references, we'll post the appropriate GAAP financial reconciliation to our website, intc.com. Finally, I'd like to remind everyone that we'll be hosting our Investor Day here at our Santa Clara headquarters on November 21st. If you have questions about the event or the logistics, please contact investor relations. With that, let me hand the call over to Brian.
Thanks, Mark. During the third quarter, our revenue grew 5% sequentially was flat versus the third quarter of 2012. Year-over-year, PC CPU volume declines slowed were offset by solid growth in the data center and enterprise. While consumer demand in emerging markets was sluggish, we started to see early signs of improvement in North America and Western Europe. I see our performance in this environment as evidence of an increasingly broad and diverse product portfolio. I'd like to highlight a few of the most important results from the quarter. Following the launch of Ivy Bridge-EP and the Atom-based Avoton SoCs, the Data Center Group delivered all-time record revenue. DCG saw strength across its lines of business and geographies. Cloud revenue was up 40% year-over-year. Storage was up 20%, high-performance computing was up 27%.
Even traditional enterprise servers were up a bit over the last year on the strength of our MP product line. While the Data Center Group's results demonstrate some of Intel's core capabilities, we saw strong performance beyond DCG. Our embedded business grew 21% year-over-year, reaching an all-time record for revenue driven by communications infrastructure, transportation, the Internet of Things, and retail. Embedded revenue is well on its way to a double-digit growth year. Just a few weeks ago, we announced our newest product family, Quark, an ultra low power and low cost architecture. While any significant revenue impact is some time away, the architecture and the speed with which we're bringing it to market are evidence of the changes we're making to ensure we're in a better position to lead and define technology trends moving forward.
Finally, our NAND business grew 20% over last year, as enterprise and data center customers increasing use of high performance SSDs have put this segment on a path to double-digit growth for the year. We continue to make progress with the industry's first 14-nanometer manufacturing process and our second generation 3D transistors. Broadwell, the first product on 14-nanometer, is up and running, as we demonstrated at the Intel Developer Forum last month. While we're comfortable with where we're at with yields, from a timing standpoint, we're about a quarter behind our projections. As a result, we're now planning to begin production in the first quarter of next year. In the wireless business, I was pleased with our progress on LTE. Our multi-mode data modem is now available in the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3.
By the end of the year, we expect to have voice-over-LTE versions available for customers, and our second generation of voice-over-LTE product with carrier aggregation will be available in the first half of next year. Over the past couple of months, we've also launched 15 new 22-nanometer Atom SoCs. These products are designed for markets ranging from consumer tablets to cloud data centers. During the holiday selling season, you'll see Atom SoCs in tablets as low as $99, and in two-in-one systems as low as $349. At the same time, you'll also find Haswell systems with outstanding performance and 50% better battery life using Windows 8, OS X, and Chrome OS, as low as $299. Together, Bay Trail and Haswell are making possible a range of innovative new form factors at breakthrough price points.
The past few years have seen dramatic changes in the way consumers use and interact with technology, those trends aren't slowing down. While preferences for form factor, OSs, and price points have evolved, the market's appetite for computing has continued to grow. We're going into the fourth quarter with the broadest portfolio in Intel's history, positioned to fully participate in all of that growth. With that, let me turn the call over to Stacy.
Thanks, Brian.
The third quarter revenue came in as expected, gross margin was slightly better than the midpoint of the forecasted range. Third quarter revenue came in at $13.5 billion, up 5% from the second quarter. At a segment level, the PC Client Group grew 4% sequentially, the Data Center Group grew 6%. The Data Center Group returned to double-digit year-on-year growth in the third quarter, growing 12% from a year ago. As expected, inventory levels across the worldwide PC supply chain grew slightly as customers built Haswell-based PCs, but inventory levels are still being managed well below historical averages. For the fourth quarter of 2013, we are forecasting the midpoint of the revenue range at $13.7 billion, up 2% from the third quarter.
Relative to the historical seasonal increase, the fourth quarter forecast reflects the orders we are seeing from our customers and their desire to keep inventory levels lean. Moving to gross margin, third quarter gross margin of 62% was up 4 points from the second quarter and up 1 point from our guidance. The increase from the second quarter was as a result of lower platform unit costs, higher platform revenue, and lower write-offs. In addition, factory startup costs came down in the third quarter as spending on process engineers was reclassified from cost of sales to R&D. For the fourth quarter, we expect gross margin to decrease by 1 point to 61% as we increase factory spending on 14-nanometer. For the third quarter, spending was down $100 million from expectations and flat from the second quarter at $4.7 billion.
The $100 million decrease from expectations was as a result of a lot of small actions across the company to reduce spending. For the fourth quarter, we are forecasting spending consistent with the third quarter at $4.7 billion. In order to better align resources with our priorities, during the third quarter, we approved and communicated several restructuring actions. Restructuring charges in the third quarter were just north of $100 million, we expect restructuring in the fourth quarter to be roughly flat. Operating income for the third quarter was $3.5 billion, with earnings per share of $0.58. Taking a look at the balance sheet, total cash investments ended the quarter at $19.1 billion, up $1.8 billion from the second quarter.
In the third quarter, we generated approximately $6 billion in cash from operations, paid approximately $1 billion in dividends, purchased almost $3 billion in capital assets, and repurchased over half a billion dollars in stock. Inventories were flat from the second quarter. The fourth quarter revenue forecast of up 2% reflects the caution we are seeing from our customers due to weak consumer end markets for the PC segment of our business. That said, we are seeing some important positive trends. The enterprise market for PCs strengthened in the third quarter, and the consumer markets in the U.S. and Europe appear to have bottomed out. Our data center business returned to double-digit year-on-year growth based on a resumption of growth in the enterprise market segment and continued robust growth in cloud, high-performance computing, and storage.
From a product perspective, we have an unprecedented lineup of products coming to the market this holiday season. Haswell delivers a historical increase in battery life across a diverse lineup of ultra mobile form factors like two-in-one convertibles, tablets, and other touch-enabled devices. We are also starting to see our customers come to market with Bay Trail-based designs that will further extend our product line across screen sizes and price points in both tablets and PCs. This extension of our product lineup across devices, price points, and operating systems positions us to grow our business across a broad range of compute devices. With that, let me turn it back over to Mark.
All right. Thank you, Brian and Stacy. Moving on to Q&A. As is our normal practice, we would ask each participant to ask one question and just one follow-up if you have one. Milka, would you like to go ahead and introduce our first question, please?
Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, press star then one on your touchtone telephone. Our first question comes from the line of Joseph Moore of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Great. Thank you. Can you talk about the PC Client market? If you look at the IDC data, they actually showed sequential growth that was a little higher than yours. I know you got tired of us asking all the time why you guys were above them when they were negative. Just any reconciliation that you could give us on, they look like they showed sort of 8% sequential growth, reconciliation of their numbers to yours?
Yeah. Joe, I think when you get into the quarter-on-quarter movement, that's hard to tie out. When we look at their view of the year and our view of the year, it still is roughly in line. It could come down to just what's happening in the inventory pipeline. Sometimes differences come down to what's happening in China. I think we're pretty aligned with their view. Remember, our unit growth will be a little higher than what they show in their headline PC number because our unit growth will include things like tablets and two-in-ones and things like that.
Great. The comment that inventories in the PC supply chain built slightly sequentially but are still below normal, can you characterize what's going on there and where do you expect that to go over the course of the rest of this year?
Yeah, I think it's a continuation, Joe, of what we've seen really the last four or five quarters. That our customers are managing their worldwide inventory of PC supplies to lean levels. I think it's a reflection of just how dynamic the industry is and some of the markets, how volatile it is. They're keeping inventory levels low, that was true in Q2, it's true in Q3, and the expectation in Q4 is that people will continue to manage things lean. I'll say for our own inventory levels, we've taken $1 billion plus out of our aggregate inventory. It was relatively flat quarter-on-quarter. As I think about Q4, I think we'll keep our inventory levels flat to down from this.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Sure.
Our next question comes from the line of Blayne Curtis of Barclays. Your line is open.
Hey, thanks. Two questions. If you could just provide some general color on the, when you look at your outlook of plus two within desktops, notebooks, and servers, do you expect all three segments to grow into December? Thanks.
Sure. This is Brian. We don't see those as varying greatly amongst them, so we see all of those segments growing as we move into the fourth quarter. As we said in our prepared statements, what we saw in the third quarter and we believe will move into the fourth quarter as well is, the stabilization in what I'll call the mature markets, U.S., Western Europe, and with Asia, and especially China, still remaining relatively volatile. That's where we see the growth as well as in mature and emerging Western Europe and U.S. markets.
If I can give some color on the server portion, Brian was talking about the clients there. In the server market, we saw nice unit growth in Q3, I'd actually expect that unit growth on a year-over-year basis to accelerate in Q4. I think we'll have an acceleration of server DCG revenue growth when we get into the fourth quarter. That'll be significantly above the corporate average.
Thanks for that. It may be a little early on Bay Trail, if you could just talk about the customer adoption and any early indications of sales of those products. As you look at this kind of touch-enabled device, how have those expectations of adoption of that progressed through the year and as you look in the holiday season?
Sure. This again, Brian. Remember, Bay Trail has always been a second half and really a late second half introduction product, that was a pull-in. We pulled that in order to bring it into 2013. We've seen great adoption. We have over 50 design wins, with about half of those being two-in-one devices. We talked about those devices hitting new price points. The other place Bay Trail is going into is tablets. We think that by Black Friday, you'll see eight to 10 SKUs on shelf. That's less than we'd hoped for, that still shows the 50 design win shows really strong adoption. The second part of your question was around touch, which is a broader question. We continue to see touch adoption growing month by month as the price points come down, and the price point pattern now is below $50.
We've put touch as a requirement for the fourth generation Core Ultrabook. You're seeing Bay Trail clamshells with touch enabled at $299, which is a new real price point for touch-enabled devices. We see it continuing to grow as we enter next year.
Okay. Thanks for that.
Thanks, Blayne.
Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Wang of Evercore. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks a lot. Hey, you guys talked a lot about traction in your low-price tablets, Chromebooks, handset, even talked about Avoton and low-power server. Your notebook ASP, I think, was also down slightly year-over-year. Can you talk about, and give us some perspective on the trajectory of your ASPs longer term? Is this something that really concerns you guys?
ASP for us will really be a function of mix. I think we have a very strong competitive position. When you think about the server segment of our business, the core segment of our product line, I think the pricing within the bands in those markets is pretty stable. We haven't been increasing pricing even in a time period where our ASP increases has just been a function of mix. If I think out at the next couple of years, what I think will happen is you'll see those higher-end price bands were driving for some low level of growth. You'll see faster growth at the low-end price bands, and then you'll see faster growth in the server segment of our business. How it plays out to the average is going to be a function of mix.
The thing you don't want to lose here, though, and we've talked about before, is that we have very different cost structures among the different segments of the business. For us, Bay Trail, the fact that it has a lower ASP isn't necessarily a bad thing relative to a Celeron, because it also has a much better cost structure relative to the Celeron.
No, understand. Okay. Thanks very much for that. I think you talked about a delay of Broadwell production by a quarter. If you had ramped it this quarter, what would the impact have been to gross margins? I guess, in other words, what are some of the things we should think about when that production actually ramps?
Yeah. No impact to Q3 gross margin. I think you can see that on the reconciliation. No impact to Q4 gross margin from what we were expecting. As I kind of telegraphed on the call last time, 14-nanometer spending was projected and will increase quarter-on-quarter. That'll be about a half a point decrement to gross margin, but that's the same decrement. It'll probably hit us in different buckets, but it's the same impact on gross margin.
Okay. Nothing different in the first quarter?
Yeah. I'd give you the same answer as I think about 2014.
Okay.
Roughly speaking, the spending on 14-nanometer is going to be the same, which means that the gross margin impact over the course of 2014 will be the same as it was. It may hit in different buckets, but it'll be the same gross margin impact.
Thanks, Patrick.
Thanks so much.
Our next question comes from the line of Doug Freedman of RBC Capital.
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Stacy, if I could just build on that a little bit, going through, can you give us an idea of what type of startup charges we're going to weather next year?
That's probably a better conversation for the investor meeting that's in a month. I'll start to give some of the puts and takes on 2014 gross margin and how we're viewing the business. It is related back to the question that was just asked on the 14-nanometer push. Let me walk you through a little bit about the categorization in Q4, which may give you some insight into how this could play out. As I said, and as Brian said, we're moving production on 14-nanometer out about a quarter. We're seeing an increase in 14-nanometer spending in Q4, as we would've expected. What we thought a quarter ago, and what I telegraphed on the call, is that as that spending increases and we start production, we move cost from startup to production cost, we reserve it out.
If you remember last quarter on the call, I said expect some headwinds in Q4 to gross margin because we have an increase in reserves. As we push the production date, what you'll see is the same impact on gross margin, but in Q4, it's likely to be a little bit of an increase in startup cost, and you won't see the reserve impact that we had expected a quarter ago. Slightly different buckets. I'd still expect next year you'll see a reduction in startup cost that may be a little less than what we've seen in other even number years. You'll see an offset on the other side of that of reserves, the same gross margin impact over the course of the year.
Great. For my follow-up, Brian, could you give us an idea of your first couple of quarters here? We've noticed clearly with Quark and your moves to try to make the company move a little quicker, we're now having some restructuring charges. Where are those restructuring charges targeted at, and what might be some of the trigger points that you have to make you move the ship in a different direction? Is the slowdown in PCs or notebooks, is there a trigger point that makes you change the way in which you attack some of these businesses?
Sure. First, I would separate a bit the restructuring charges from our desire to move quicker and into broader markets. Restructuring charges were mostly around the shutdown of the Hudson, Massachusetts factory, that was really talking about a factory that was our last 200-millimeter factory on 130 nanometers, and that factory had just finished its life as a factory, and it couldn't be upgraded to 14-nanometer or beyond. That's what most of that was. In general, restructuring charges aren't necessarily driven by how you move an organization like this into innovative new areas. For me, the way I look at this is, this is really about pushing our architecture in both directions.
It's moving down and moving Atom to be more integrated, more capable with higher graphics and higher connectivity, moving up on the data center side with more robust products there, more integration up there, and more unique products by customer and by workload to target those areas that can utilize our Core technologies. The trigger points for me as we move through these is really around how fast is the organization able to adapt. We have a process coming where we want to be able to adjust products because we believe these markets are going to be changing up until the last minute before you ship something. Three or four months before a product's going to ship, we want to get to a point where we could make changes in the characteristics of those products.
We're a ways away from that, maybe a year and a half, but we believe we can get to a place where we have that kind of flexibility and IT configuration that we can do that.
Thanks, Doug.
I'll give Brian a little more credit here than he was giving himself. He's right. In the restructuring piece, the asset impairment is almost entirely driven by the factory. The larger portion of that is the people movement piece of it, I think Brian and Renée are both moving fast in terms of picking areas where they want to make investments, picking areas where we're going to invest less. That's the lion's share of that particular line item. Almost all of the Q4 number is just as we're looking to move people from one part of the company to make investments in an area where we think we're going to get an enhanced return.
Great. Thanks for all the detail.
Our next question comes from the line of John Pitzer of Credit Suisse. Your line is open, sir.
[inaudible] Brian, just to follow up on the Broadwell, I'm just kind of curious why the push out. Can you elaborate a little bit? Is this a technical issue, and if it is, why are you confident you overcame it? Is this really a market issue, i.e., there's a little bit excess Ivy Bridge inventory, which is pushing out Haswell, which is the ramp, which is pushing out Broadwell? If you could elaborate, that'd be great.
Sure. It's absolutely not the latter. It was simply a defect density issue. As we develop these technologies, what you do is you're continually improving the defect densities, and those result, then in the yield, the number of die per wafer that you get out of the product. What happens is you insert a set of fixes in groups. You'll put four or five, maybe sometimes six or seven fixes into a process and group it together and run it through, and you expect an improvement rate. Occasionally, as you go through that, the fixes don't deliver all of the improvement you thought. We had one of those. Why do I have confidence? Because we've gone back now and added additional fixes, gotten back onto that curve, so we have a confidence that the problem is fixed because we have actually data that it is fixed.
That gives us the confidence that we're going to keep moving forward now. That happens sometimes in these development phases like this. That's why we're going to move it a quarter. Remember, Broadwell and Haswell are pin compatible, so for the most part, these will slide into existing systems, and it delivers the next generation of the low-power Broadwell-Y, which is going to give even more capability for fanless Core products. We and our OEM partners have a strong desire to get Broadwell to the market. If I could, there would be nothing slowing me down. This is a small blip in the schedule, and we'll continue on from here.
Perfect. Good. That's helpful, Brian. As my follow-up, Stacy, the last couple of quarters relative to the gross margin bridge or puts or takes, you've given ASP as a potential allowance on the downside. I guess I didn't see that in Q4, which kind of confuses me a little bit given that that's the Bay Trail quarter ramp. I'm curious, are you just getting more confidence as you're mixing lower that that ASP is not a factor in gross margin, or how should I think about that?
Well, I think it goes back to the question I answered earlier. Yeah, as we're successful with Bay Trail, it will cause the average ASP to come down in the Client Group. Keep in mind, we're forecasting a very robust growth rate in the Data Center. You have the highest end of the Intel product family growing significantly faster than the rest.
Perfect. Thank you.
By the way, I think it's also notable in Q3, our ASP was up a smidge. It was about a half a point of gross margin good news, which was better than I expected.
Our next question comes from the line of Amit Shah of Nomura. Your line is open.
Great. Thank you. On DCG, you guys have been talking about a double-digit annual growth target for the year, and just based on my math, you would need to grow data center 20+% in the fourth quarter to get there. Could you talk a little bit about near-term momentum? As a follow-up, I just wanted to ask about the federal shutdown. It seems like it's dragging on. I'm wondering if you're seeing any impact to your broader enterprise business.
Yeah. This is Stacy. I'll take those, and Brian can editorialize on our elected representatives. On the data center, don't pin me down to exactly 10% growth, but we're going to be within spitting distance of that for the year. That does imply a growth rate that's significantly accelerated from the 12% that we had in Q3, and that's what I expect, and that's what Brian expects from the GM of that business. Generally, what we're seeing, Brian talked about the really robust growth rates we're seeing in the cloud, high-performance computing, storage, and we've seen a resumption of some growth rate in the enterprise, which has been the headwind that we've been facing in that business. To your question on the debt ceiling debate, I'd say we have not seen any impact on our business.
I think generally the financial markets have been pretty tame in their reaction to this. It, in my opinion, needs to be fixed. We don't want to cause people to doubt that the U.S. is going to make good on its debt obligations.
I'm not going to comment any further on that one.
All right. Thanks.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Glen Yeung of Citi. Your line is open.
Thank you. Brian, I probably heard this wrong, but just wanted to clarify. You made a reference earlier to OS X. Were you suggesting that you would see Bay Trail devices using OS X?
No, I said that we would have products across the board. It's Haswell.
Okay. Very good. Just wanted to clarify that.
That was a group.
And then-
I think that comment was around Bay Trail and Haswell in all OS forms.
Okay. Glad we clarified that, then. As a follow-up, I did want a little bit more color, if you would, on what you're seeing in enterprise. It's consistent with what I've been seeing in the quarter as well, but what I don't understand, and hopefully you may have more color on this, is the fact that it's enterprise suggestive of that it may be a more sustainable trend than we would otherwise see, and do you see any underlying reasons for why enterprise may be getting better?
Well, you're talking about the classic enterprise. I think this is a case where, at least up until recent times, especially in the U.S. As companies became more comfortable with what the spending horizon was going to be and what their projections for the rest of the year were, they started to unleash IT budgets, and so we started to see an uptick in that. Especially Western Europe and the U.S. started to grow again slightly. Do we think it'll be continuing? At least through the fourth quarter. We're not making any projections yet for 2014. We'll talk about those at our investor meeting. You can imagine that, given where we are with cloud and networking and storage and the enterprise, that we're seeing the same kind of projections.
All right. Thanks very much.
Thanks, Glen.
Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Rolland of FBR. Your line is open.
Guys, thanks for the question. I thought maybe you guys could give us a little more granularity into what's going on with the Other IA operating loss. Do we sort of think that this is about as large as it gets as Bay Trail ramps? How do we think about that on an ongoing basis? Is this a good run rate, or how do you guys sort of forecast that going forward?
I think I can unequivocally say for Brian and I, that is not a good run rate. We don't enter businesses to lose money. Our intent is to improve it. I think it's probably worthwhile to talk about what's happening, when you do year-over-year or quarter-on-quarter, probably year-over-year is the more illustrative portion of that. What you see going on in Other IA is, first and foremost, the embedded or the Intelligent Systems Group had a very good quarter, record revenues, robust growth rate, very profitable. Offsetting that is really three things that impact the operating profit. First, netbooks are coming to the end of their life as category. We're down to some single-digit millions of revenue from netbooks. A year ago, that was pretty robust, and those were pretty profitable products.
A year ago, if you recall, we were talking about a buying pattern from one particular customer in the modem space. That didn't repeat this year, so you get a little bit of a year-on-year comp. The other impact is this is a place where we've been making significant investments. The things that we've been talking about here of having products, SoCs that span across price points, across operating systems, those are places where we're making investment. We believe that investment is really important to the future of the company, and we believe that investment gives us a differentiated competitive advantage out in time, and lets us bring the best products to the market out in time.
Okay, great. Thank you for that. Also, on the Broadwell quarter pushout, do we make up for that at some point in the future, or would this also push Skylake?
Yeah. We do not think it'll push Skylake. This is just In fact, we'll even make up in total volume within a quarter or two after the one-quarter push. We tend to make these up very quickly. The two are independent. The early learning that's going on and during-the-process development has no impact on Skylake's ability to come to market.
Okay. Thanks so much, guys.
Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Cassidy of Stifel, Nicolaus & Company. Your line is open.
Thank you. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted a few more details on the data center, some of the moving parts. Stacy, you said that you expected unit growth to accelerate fourth quarter. Would that be because of the Avoton, or do you expect ASPs to go up also? Is it the mix shift going to higher performance servers?
Boy, you give an inch. I think I'm not going to get more granular than I got. I would expect that unit growth accelerates from what we saw in Q3, and revenue growth accelerates from the 12% year-over-year growth we saw in Q3. I'm not going to get more granular than that.
Oh, okay. Maybe if you could just tell us about the third quarter with ASPs up 2%. Was that mostly driven by the introduction of E5, or is it an overall shift towards higher performance computing?
Yeah, I'd say it was probably more tied to the fact that the enterprise segment went from decline to some single-digit growth, and that is tied to the E5. It's a combination of those two things. The enterprise tends to buy a pretty rich mix of MP. That's why that's such an important segment for us, and so single-digit growth there is pretty helpful.
Okay. Thank you.
Thanks, Kevin.
Our next question comes from the line of Ambrish Srivastava from BMO. Your line is open.
Thank you very much. My first question is on the guidance, Brian, you told us that the guidance is based on what you're seeing, the order patterns that you're seeing. Just wanted a little bit more color as to, in terms of form factors from your OEM customers as well as from you, there seems to be more out there. In your opinion, what is it? Is it not the right form factor from OEMs? We all understand the macro is pretty anemic, but in the context of new products that are coming out, it has to be disappointing for you to see the order patterns. What, in your opinion, is causing that? I had a quick follow-up after that, please.
I'm not sure I completely understand your question. If your question is around the number and variety of form factors, we're actually pretty excited about the rate of innovation we're seeing in two-in-ones, in convertibles. In OS forms, Android, Chromebooks, and Win 8.1. We've been pretty enthusiastic about what we're seeing. In fact, we've been meeting with most of our customers and OEMs and looking at their Q1 lineup with them, and I've been astonished by the amount of innovation and creative designs that are coming. I think when you talk about just the market in general, how we see it, we're trying to bring innovation to the PC, but we're also trying to move into these markets that are growing already, like tablets and phones.
Our view is that, at the end of the day, the customer is going to choose their form factors. Tablets are absolutely here to stay, and we plan to participate in those. That's why you see us in tablets from $99-$350, and our job is to try and innovate and actually drive capabilities into the tablet space that nobody else could deliver and bring that valuation and drive up in those markets. Across PCs, we believe that as two-in-ones, especially Haswell-based two-in-ones with all-day battery come to life, we are already seeing some signs of tablet market share win back as these two-in-one devices, especially in enterprise and the business side, hit the market, and people see the value of having both devices, the best of both devices, a tablet and a PC all-in-one.
We believe that as we go through the fourth quarter and we get more of these devices out there, we'll see how this plays out over time now.
Okay, that's helpful. On the pricing front, Stacy, you highlighted, yes, pricing could be lower on the mix, cost is lower for Bay Trail. I'm just looking at the dichotomy in desktop and notebook, and maybe there's a very simple explanation. Desktop volume is down year-over-year, ASP is up. Notebook is the reverse. On the ASP front, ASP is down year-over-year, volume is down as well. Could you just help me understand why the difference in the two trends? Thank you.
Well, I think what you're seeing is you're seeing notebook pricing coming down over time as that becomes a broader and broader market. I think it's as simple as that. I think that the desktop piece of this though is really interesting. What we've seen in the desktop, again, I'm kind of zooming out and taking a two-year view. You've seen a segment that's been relatively slow growth. Think of it as kind of single-digit % growth, but a lot of segmentation happening within the category. It's gone from the desktop business being primarily these beige boxes to all-in-ones and detachable all-in-ones and pretty high-performance devices that are doing gaming, as well as these very cost-effective machines for first-time buyers in emerging markets.
You've seen this kind of hyper-segmentation of the category, and more stability in the pricing as a result because you have these different segments. I think we're on the verge of seeing that kind of segmentation play out now in the notebook segment with what we're seeing with two-in-ones and Ultrabooks and detachables and convertibles. It'll be interesting to watch that play out.
Operator, please go ahead and introduce the next question.
Our next question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri of Cowen and Company. Your line is open.
Thank you. First question is on CapEx. Stacy, is the cut due mostly to 450mm? You had said before that there was no push out in the timing, but some of the companies selling equipment are saying that there has been some push out. I'm just wondering where that cut's coming from. Thanks.
Oh, you're talking the $200 million? No, there's actually no cut in there. We're just kind of refining our forecast as we get down to one quarter left in the year.
Got it, great. Just to be specific on the timing on 450mm, nothing has changed there?
Let me answer that one. We have not changed our timing. We're still targeting the second, later half of this decade. We continue to see great value in 450mm. It brings tremendous economic value to everybody who participates in it. We continue to work with our partners. We are part of a joint development program in New York, continuing to work on 450mm. We continue to work with our partners, especially TSMC and Samsung. We're still targeting the back half this decade. This is a long, 10-year program when you really take a look at it. I think you'll get mixed signals throughout that 10 years. Take a look at the long-term trend, then really start to understand the economic value here, and you'll see it will get there in the end.
Thanks, Tim.
Okay, thanks so much.
Our next question comes from the line of David Wong of Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Thanks very much. Bay Trail, if I'm not mistaken, there's some Android tablets using Clover Trail+ that are currently available. When might we expect Android tablets using Bay Trail in the market?
Sure. You're absolutely right. There are several tablets out there currently today with Clover Trail+ using Android. What I told you was there are about 50 designs on Bay Trail. About 20 of those are two-in-ones. Probably 25, 20 of them are Bay Trail tablets on Android. There's going to be about eight to 10 systems on shelf, we believe, by the, say, Black Friday timeframe. Most of those will be Android tablets.
Okay, great. Could you fill us in on what proportion of your Core family sales will be Haswell in the December quarter? Are you seeing Haswell Y being extensively adopted in tablets, or is it primarily the regular Haswell that goes into tablets and two-in-ones?
Yeah. We don't get to that level of granularity to break out our sales by product family. I think Brian gave you some good insight into the number of systems that we see coming to the market, a lot of which will be there before Black Friday, and then even more that build out over the course of Q1. I'll let Brian answer the Bay Trail Y.
You asked Haswell Y versus.
Haswell
Haswell, the standard?
Sorry.
First, most of the tablets we're building with OEM partners are Bay Trail or, as you say, Clover Trail Plus based. There are some that are being based on Core. Most of those are being based on the standard Core product.
Okay, great.
Most of the Haswell Ys are going into the fanless systems or extremely low power two-in-ones.
Yep. Thanks, David.
Great, thanks.
All right, operator, we'd like to go ahead and take two more questions, please.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Covello of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks so much for taking the question. Stacy, something you had alluded to in your presentation at the Intel Developer Forum. I wonder where you think die sizes are headed on average for the company, given some of the moves into these different markets that you talked about.
It's going to be similar to the ASP question. When you're talking average die size, it's really going to be a function of mix. It becomes hard to answer. I think when you look at it by segment, we're improving our cost structure in each of the segments of the business. Die size is going to get better in the Core family, it's going to get better in Bay Trail, it's going to get better in the tablet segment of the business, but the mix will really dictate the average. I don't know, Brian, if you want to add anything to that.
Yeah. I would agree with Stacy. Each one of the families of products, we have roadmaps even with integration, but because of Moore's Law, we're able to continually drive down the die size. It's going to be mix dependent. We think if you look at the average mix, it'll be down slightly, but it's not a dramatic drop, at least. Again, it'll be mix driven.
Okay, that's helpful. Then if I could ask for my follow-up, in terms of the mobile market, the handset market in particular, how important do you think connectivity and the other surrounding pieces around the processor are for Intel to be successful in this market? How do you feel you're positioned in those complementary pieces around the processor?
Sure. Connectivity and comms both are very important. We've had Wi-Fi for 12+ years, so our position in Wi-Fi is good. We've made acquisitions in GPS and GNSS lately to add to our portfolio. We talked about in the prepared statements about our progress on LTE, and we actually believe we're making great progress in LTE. We have LTE data now, LTE data and voice by the end of the year, LTE with carrier aggregation first half of next year. That's very good progress in our minds on LTE. I want to remind you, though, but it's really when you take a look at these SoC products, it's about all of the IPs. You've got to get the graphics right, you've got to get the connectivity right, and you've got to get the comms right.
We really have a drive to both get our individual IPs correctly there and then to integrate them into the silicon. That's the order that you have to do it in. You have to go get the IP correct. That's why you see our LTE products as standalone now, and then you integrate them in once you get the capability in a standalone product, and we'll be working on that next year.
Thank you so much.
Operator, please go ahead and introduce our last question.
Our final question comes from the line of Vivek Arya from BofA Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking my question. Brian, my first question is within DCG, can you help us quantify traditional enterprise versus some of the growth categories in cloud storage and networking? Where I'm going with that is when does this latter growth part start dominating, and what are the implications on ASP when that happens?
I've never done a calculation on when they would overtake enterprise. If you take a look at it, we said that cloud storage networking were growing 20-plus %. I'd have to go back and take a look. We can have that discussion maybe at the investor meeting.
On how those percentages of the business change over time.
Vivek, if you go back and look at last year's investor meeting, you'll see something presented by Diane that actually very explicitly breaks out the size of the different segments and the growth rate. What you'll see there is enterprise is 40, 50% of the overall enterprise segment. These other segments in aggregate are overtaking it as we speak and growing really fast. We'll talk a lot more about that in a month.
Got it. Then as my follow-up, I wanted to just get a sense for how much of a leapfrog advantage will 14-nanometer provide in the mobile market, because recently we saw very impressive benchmarks from Apple on their A7 SoC. I understand that they optimize a lot of things within their system that other customers may not be able to do. They were able to show very impressive benchmarks on 28 nanometer silicon. I'm wondering, as you think about your 14-nanometer products and the fact that you really need to leapfrog to get major share in mobile, how should we think about how big those advantages will be, what the discussion with the customers have been so far?
Sure. Let's make sure. You just used the generic word of benchmarks, and there's a lot of different ones that are out there. I'm not sure exactly which ones you're talking about, but if you just take a look at our products, and all of our products are 64 bit. We've had that for an extended period of time, and the products that we're shipping today are already 64 bit. If you take a look at things like transistor density, and you compare, pardon the pun, apples to apples, and you compare, say, an A7 to our Bay Trail, which is the high-density 22-nanometer technology, then our transistor density is higher or more dense than the A7 is. It's a good product. I'm not in any way trying to deface that.
We do see the Moore's Law advantage from 28 to 22, as an example, when you compare dense technologies to dense technologies. We believe 14-nanometer is just another extension of Moore's Law. It'll have that same roughly twice density that you'll see between 28 and 22. You'll see that same kind of increase or improvement as you move to 14. It is a true 14-nanometer technology. Did I answer your question?
Yes. Brian, maybe what I was trying to get to was, as you look at the kind of Android customers or Chrome customers that you might engage with 14-nanometer, how is that changing from the engagement that you have with Bay Trail? Basically, the question is the level of engagement accelerating as they look at your 14-nanometer progress?
Yes, from that perspective, they see a roadmap now. I think more importantly than just 14-nanometer, what they see is a roadmap from us around the Atom SoC, and they see Bay Trail as a great first step. It's a great product. You've seen some of the performance benchmarks out there. We just talked about the transistor density. Stacy's talked about our cost and our ability to hit these lower price points. It's got good graphics performance. As I said, we're able to provide a 64-bit solution across all OS options as well. They look at that, and then they look at our roadmap and say, okay, they've got LTE, they've got connectivity, they've got them in standalone, they have plans to integrate those technologies in a basic SoC, and they're starting to build confidence in our roadmap along with us.
That's, I think, what they really look at this as, is that they see an Atom roadmap that's highly competitive.
Thank you.
Thanks, Vivek. Thank you all for joining us today. Nova, please go ahead and wrap up the call.
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