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Earnings Call: Q1 2021

Apr 15, 2021

Speaker 1

Greetings. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the J. B. Hunt First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call.

At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Brad Delco, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon. Before I introduce the speakers, I would like to take some time to provide some disclosures regarding forward looking statements. This call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Words such as expects, Anticipates, intends, estimates or similar expressions are intended to identify these forward looking statements. These statements are based on J.

B. Hunt's current plans and expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause future activities and results to be materially different from those set forth in the forward looking statements. For information regarding risk factors, please refer to J. B. Hunt's annual report on Form 10 ks and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Now I'd like to introduce the speakers on today's call. This afternoon, I'm joined by our CEO, John Roberts our CFO, John Kullo Shelley Simpson, our Chief Commercial Officer and EVP of People and Human Resources Nick Hobbs, our Chief Operating Officer and President of Contract Services Brad Hicks, President of Highway Services and Darren Field, President of Intermodal. At this time, I'd like to turn the call to our CEO, Mr. John Roberts, for some opening comments. John?

Thank you, Brad. As we discussed during our last call, we entered 2021 with a cautious but informed positive outlook on what we could in terms of demand and inventory replenishment needs from our customers. Aside from the temporary disruptions presented by weather In February, most of the data supports a generally optimistic view of those expectations and encourages our direction going forward. As we evaluate current market conditions and the needs of our customers, we have determined that an increase in our capital investment plan is warranted. Accordingly, we're announcing a 40% increase in our originally stated plans to enable the procurement incremental containers, trailers and the needed supporting equipment such as chassis and tractors for JGI.

The new projections for our capital investments now reach $1,250,000,000 for this year, a clear milestone for our company. We have secured contracts to increase our container fleet by another 6,000 units in 2021 for intermodal, bringing our net addition target So approximately 12,000 units for 2021, a little over 1,000 of which are temperature controlled containers. We are also increasing our trailer fleet and highway services by 1500 units, bringing that total fleet expansion to 3,000 for 2021. All of this equates to just above an 80% increase to our original container growth plan and a 100% increase to our trailer fleet expansion plans for $360 program. John Kullo will add his comments on our capital expenditures in his remarks.

Let's discuss margins. After announcing our plans to issue clarification for all segment margin targets during our last call and with the understanding that we have had these Margin goals under specific review for over a year, we will reestablish our targets with you here today. For intermodal, we lower our margin goals from 11% to 13% to 10% to 12%. The Fundamental reason for this structural change is that it presents the company with the ability to grow with and serve our customers, while also generating an appropriate and sustainable ROIC. As a component of this adjustment, we also see opportunity to improve our asset utilization box turns per month and to evaluate our tractor and chassis ratios, all of which would be positive for the business and returns.

For DCS, we increased our margin goals from 11% to 13% to 12% to 14%. While this change appears to be a step up in margin expectations, it is actually the realization of a fundamental increase in the fleet size, Which allows growth and startup expenses to occur without disrupting the core business as it has in the past. Another element revealing clarity for the fleet business It's the removal of the file mile activities, which require a lower margin given the lighter asset requirements. As discussed, the margins are set to provide an appropriate return for each business and given the asset intensity of DTS, a higher margin has always been needed. For JBT, we are adjusting our margin range from 8% to 12% to between 8% 10%.

The primary reason for this change is a recognition of a lighter asset position As we focus our investments on adding trailers and not tractors going forward, we do point out that we are in the early stages of transforming this model focused on more trailers and we'll continue to evaluate the margin requirements and market support to achieve growth in the appropriate ROIC levels to reinvest. For ICS, we reaffirm our long term target margin range between 4% 6%. And for Final Mile Services, we reaffirm our long term Target margin range between 4% 8%. Each segment leader will add comment on the main drivers for these margin targets And the resulting ROIC expectations going forward. Final comment from me on the availability of professional drivers Our asset based businesses and our carrier providers is under unusual pressure currently.

While we have faced driver hiring issues at varying degrees A difficulty during previous tightening cycles, we see the current pressure being meaningfully more pronounced and likely prolonged. Shelly and Nick will add more color on our perspectives. Accordingly, we are taking some unique steps in our efforts to address this critical challenge. These include reducing the eligibility time for new driver benefits from 90 to 30 days, Expanded efforts to explore new ways to train and mentor new entrants to the field of professional drivers and of course, a comprehensive overview of driver wages and session. All in, we believe we are advantaged by our brand, our recruiting and hiring systems, A focus on retention and the vitally important increasing efforts in improving our inclusion and awareness for the vast diversity currently in place with our amazing driver and field management teams.

I will now turn the call over to John Cullo for his comments. Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to start by providing a couple of comments on our Q1 of 2021 From a consolidated perspective, given the weather and other constraints facing the industry, we are pleased with our revenue, operating income and EPS growth for this quarter with notable achievements in our highway services revenue as both ICS and JBT were up significantly over the prior year quarter. With respect to weather, we previously guided to a $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 estimated operating income impact from the February winter storms. In closing the quarter, we determined this impact to be approximately $17,000,000 which primarily includes lost opportunities within our intermodal segment of approximately 25,000 loads.

Other cost pressures in the quarter were primarily related to higher driver costs to attract and retain drivers and higher costs across Our various networks and operations due to congestion and the overall labor tightness from increased freight demands and capacity constraints. You'll note we ended the quarter with approximately $550,000,000 in cash, with this being driven in part by a review of the capital investments that John had highlighted. We had previously guided CapEx to be between $850,000,000 $900,000,000 for 2021, and we are now updating that to $1,250,000,000 primarily driven by the intermodal container adds and the trailers for our $3.60 program. This investment is supported by the current environment, but also our longer term While not specifically included in the CapEx plans, our cash and liquidity also allows for further consolidation in our Final Mile businesses as opportunities may arise. With regards to margins, as noted, the conclusion of our review of our segmented margin targets was informed by The current and future state of our business segment in terms of our desired returns on capital, our revenue quality, Capital intensity and the desired market penetration rates.

Other inputs to our ranges include underlying risks Regarding the nature of our customer contracts, both in terms of reciprocated commitments and contract duration. Finally, from a capital allocation standpoint, we continued stock buybacks in the quarter, but found less opportunity in the back half and then fell into our blackout period. While we have guided towards significant capital investment, we still anticipate continuing our buyback approach throughout 2021. A final note on COVID costs. We continue to offer paid time off or PTO to employees that have needed to quarantine.

During the quarter, we committed to providing PTO to employees to allow them to be vaccinated, thereby ensuring their W-two is not impacted when needing time away from work to be vaccinated. We've been working with local health care organizations to host vaccine clinics at our corporate headquarters to provide vaccinations to employees, their adult family members and other eligible community members. Together, we have inoculated more than 13,000 members of our community and are working with our field employees to provide vaccination assistance under applicable area guidelines and procedures. As a result of these efforts, we have incurred approximately $8,000,000 in costs in the current quarter, designated as specific COVID costs compared to the $15,000,000 that we experienced in Q1 of 2020. That concludes my remarks, and I'd like to now turn it over to Shelly.

Speaker 3

Thank you, John, and good afternoon. My commercial update this afternoon will focus on general market conditions and our expectations for the year as well as an update on the progress we are making as an organization with our 360 platform. As John alluded to earlier, We entered 2021 with cautious optimism about the opportunities presented to us. These opportunities include a means to recover from the costs incurred last here as we honored our commitment to customers, but equally as important, the opportunities to solve capacity challenges for and on behalf of our customers. Those capacity challenges for our customers remain very present in the current landscape and will likely persist throughout 2021, highlighted by a tight labor market, elevated cost to procure capacity and overall lack of supply chain fluidity.

As an organization, we remain committed and focused on meeting the needs of our customers, honoring our commitment and doing so by striving towards our mission to create the most efficient transportation network in North America. I remain encouraged by the level of discussion and interaction with our customers on the very important subjects of revenue quality, capacity and cost. And while our view on pricing is a little more elevated today Then what we discussed in our last earnings call, the reality is that our cost to serve is also higher. This cost presents itself primarily in our labor cost as well in the utilization of our assets or equipment turns. We and the industry as a whole are facing meaningful cost pressures to recruit, hire, train and retain qualified for truck drivers to meet the capacity needs of our customers.

As our future outlook on cost remains fluid, so will our approach to price to ensure that our investments to meet the capacity needs of our customers are supported with our expectations for an appropriate rate of return. These returns support our ability to continue to invest in our assets, which are our people and our equipment, as well as our investments in technology to serve the growing needs of our customers. And as we prepare for record equipment adds this year, We are working very closely with our customers on equipment turns and forecasts to enable better network fluidity. Shifting gears to our J. B.

Hunt 360 platform. I could not be more excited about the progress we are making as well as the opportunities we have ahead. In the last quarter, I've been extremely encouraged by the level of engagement we are seeing in the platform from our carriers and shippers as our KPIs in this area continued to break new records weekly and monthly. We remain focused on reducing friction across the supply chain, making it easier for shippers and carriers to match in our system to optimize and transact in real time. One of our big areas of focus is on improving visibility and transparency across the supply chain, and we are encouraged about the opportunities We have to make progress in these areas supported by our recently announced alliance with Google as we collaborate and co innovate on solving some of the industry's biggest problems.

I am extremely proud and excited for all the opportunities presented to us And our ability to solve for our customers' needs utilizing our people, products and services. Our diversified services or our SCROLL powered by our technology platform, continues to be valued in the marketplace and supported by our customers leaning into us to solve for their needs. Finally, as I have recently added the role of EVP of People and Human Resources, I would like to share how encouraged I am about the work we are doing enhancing our inclusive culture. While early in our journey, I see our organization leading in this area and with more to discuss and to share in the future. I'd now like to turn it over to Nick.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Shelly, and good afternoon. I'm going to spend a few minutes today getting on several areas and topics, including the current driver environment, The results and performance are dedicated with some additional context for the updated margin target range that John mentioned earlier. And finally, I'll review the results and performance of our Final Mile Services segment. I'll start with some quick thoughts and comments around the driver market. In my opinion, the industry is facing the most challenged driver market that I've seen in my 37 year career at J.

B. Hunt. We estimate that the decrease of the driving school applicants and graduates, the drug and alcohol clearinghouse And the impact presented by the pandemic combined has resulted in approximately 220,000 fewer drivers available to meet industry capacity needs. As a result, we are taking a comprehensive approach To attract and retain our professional driving workforce, including adjustments to our wages and benefits, while also focusing on the quality of the job, We believe we have some of the best wages professional drivers professional driving jobs in the industry across our portfolio of services, Including intermodal gray, dedicated, trucks and final mile services. Over 90% of our driving jobs are local and regional, Providing consistent routes and opportunities for more home time.

On Dedicated results, Dedicated continues to perform and respond in an agile fashion Despite several weather related disruptions in the quarter, ACS delivered its highest 1st quarter revenue and operating income in our company's history. I believe that it is a testament to our operations team and professional drivers We responded and worked to recover for our customers, all while staying focused on safe execution and the efficient utilization of our assets. As a result, customers continue to see value in the quality and flexibility of our professional outsourced Private Suite Solutions as also evidenced by our strong pipeline. We ended the Q1 selling approximately 380 trucks in DCS As we are off to a strong start in 2021, all while customer retention rates remain above 98%. Regarding everyone's favorite topic about margin, we believe it is prudent to update the market on our targeted Margin range, which now stands at 12% to 14% for the DCS segment from the previous range of 11% to 13%.

Informing us of this decision is the following: our value proposition, scale, efficiency as well as the capital intensity of our business. More importantly, it is worth noting that nothing in our pricing model has changed, But rather, what has revealed itself is the realization that the current scale of our operations presents us an opportunity to grow the business While experiencing large drag from start up costs associated with customer growth. Said a different way, We see the same opportunity presented to us today to balance our desire to grow well into the future while maintaining discipline around our returns on capital. I'll wrap up my comments on Final Mile Services. Final Mile Services was able to deliver a Strong performance in the quarter as the continuation of 4th quarter peak season like strength in our business rolled into Q1, Which has not been the seasonal norm.

While weather did disrupt the business temporarily, we were able to recover and get our customers' goods delivered And only experienced a modest impact to overall performance as a result. We remain active in conversations to grow and with our current and new customers across our footprint and plan to capitalize on these opportunities throughout the year. Additionally, we'll continue to invest to ensure we deliver a differentiated product focused on the high standards of service, Thank you and customer satisfaction. With regards to margins, we are maintaining our targeted range of 4% to 8%. Our growth trajectory of our asset and non asset final mile service offerings will continue to influence Well, we fall within that range as we gain greater scale with our value added services.

That concludes my remarks. So I'll turn it over to Brad Jicks.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Nick. The organization's excitement and enthusiasm for our Highway Services business Continues to be evidenced by the progress in our results and further supported by the opportunities our customers present us with to provide needed capacity solutions. My comments today will briefly touch on some of the highlights of our Highway Services businesses, which includes both Integrated Capacity Solutions, or ICS, And truck or JBT. In short, the marketplace for J. B.

Hunt 360 continues to provide our customers capacity solutions Utilizing a combination of our multimodal digital freight platform while complemented with our drop trailer pools powered by J. B. Hunt 360. I'll start with ITS. ITS was able to deliver revenue of $525,000,000 or 56% growth over the prior year And deliver operating income of $7,000,000 which is now the 2nd consecutive quarter of profitability since our journey along our digital transformation.

Similar to the Q4 of 2020, the quarter presented us with opportunities to help customers source capacity effectively And efficiently on our platform in an otherwise constrained market environment. Segment volumes were down 1% year over year, driven by a decline of LTL volumes, offset, however, by truckload volumes, which were up 10% in the quarter. Higher spot market opportunities, higher contractual rates and the previously mentioned mix change contributed to the 58% increase in gross revenue per load. Going forward, we will remain focused on balancing the right mix of volume growth presented to us as we remain committed to our investments in 3 key areas: our people, our technology and scaling the platform. As John alluded to earlier, our margin target remains 4% to 6% in this segment, which we believe is achievable As we move beyond our heavy investment cycle, achieve scale and as the business model matures.

In JBT or truck, the segment was able to deliver 43% year over year growth in Q1 revenue, following just shy of $150,000,000 Operating income was $10,000,000 which is the highest for a Q1 since 2007. Growth in the segment continues to be driven by non asset and asset light service offerings powered and supported by the J. B. Hunt 360 platform. As JBT has shifted to more of an asset light model, We have an ability to provide trailing capacity to customers that may be called by either J.

B. Hunt owned equipment, our independent contractors or power only capacity sourced through the platform. This is our 3.50 box offering. Demand for this service is strong and supports the previously disclosed 100% increase to our prior trailer fleet investment for 2021. Our margin targets in JBT are now 8% to 10% from the prior 8% to 12%, which recognizes the shift to a more asset light model.

That said and similar to Final Mile Services, our performance relative to those targets will be dependent on the asset Intensity of the business as it evolves, but as always, our returns on capital remain the core focus of our investments to grow this business. In closing, I would just like to reiterate the excitement and growth opportunities we see across our Highway Services portfolio to solve for our customers' needs in an efficient and, as Shelly alluded to earlier, more frictionless way. We remain committed to our investments in our people, Technology and scaling the platform, which includes our investments to expand our 3.60 Box program. That concludes my comments, and I'll pass it over to Darren. Thank you, Brad.

Hello to everyone. Today, I will provide some additional details on our Q1 performance, Give you some thoughts about network fluidity and balance, provide some perspective on the demand and pricing environment and cap it off with comments on our updated capital investment and target margin range that John highlighted earlier. Volumes declined 3% In the quarter broken down by month, that's plus 3% in January, a 16% decline in February And plus 4% in March. As we called out in the earnings release, the weather challenges in the quarter are estimated to have impacted us by 25,000 intermodal loads, primarily in February, but the effects did carry over into March. The rail network has shown signs of improvement so far in April.

Although we are not fully back to pre weather service levels, we have and continue to expect to see improvements as we move through the Q2. While rail challenges are well known, Another challenge we face is what we refer to as customer street time, which has increased as our customers are falling behind on unloading inbound delivered units in a timely manner. We believe both the rail terminal congestion And the customer unloading challenges are direct results of labor challenges. Inside our operation, driver hiring continues to be A significant challenge in the industry will take on higher wages in order to attract and retain new drivers. We fully expect the same is true for the rail terminal contractors and customer warehouse labor.

Demand for our intermodal service remains at incredibly strong levels. The pricing market is performing at a level to cover our cost increases from last year as we honored our commitments as well as the inflationary cost pressures we are experiencing this year related to driver hiring. Certainly, the increasing driver wage and rail costs are topics with our customers, but we are also highlighting the velocity challenges And the cost of equipment ownership. As you should be able to conclude, the pricing environment supports our decision to add additional capacity to our fleet as John highlighted earlier and as we discussed last quarter. During the last call, we said we expected pricing to come in at high single to low double digit increases.

And at this point, we feel more optimistic about things trending Towards the higher end of that range adjusting for mix. As we entered the quarter, just over 10% of our business had implemented 21 bid cycle rates. By the end of the quarter, just over 40% of the volume had current bid cycle rates. We will expect that to climb to 70% by the end of Q2 and the remainder to finalize during Q3. As John covered in his opening comments, we have adjusted the margin target range to 10% to 12%.

We have highlighted many times that we remain focused on generating the appropriate return on our invested capital in the business. And while margins are an output of achieving our targeted returns, returns are also influenced by other factors, including asset turns, Capital intensity and consideration of contribution per load. We believe this new target range strikes the right balance between generating appropriate returns that support reinvestment to capitalize on what we believe is a long sustainable growth opportunity presented by the market. The future of Intermodal remains bright as it provides an economically attractive alternative To some of the challenges our industry is facing, including the driver market, higher fuel cost, capacity, The carbon intensity of the supply chain and the need for investment in public infrastructure. Also, as John highlighted, we have expanded our container order in 2021 to approximately 12,000 new containers, including both dry and temp controlled that will begin to arrive in Q2 and continue through the end of the year.

As we have moved through the current bid cycle, it is Clear that our customers want more capacity from us and we are responding. The commitments from our customers thus far during bid season fully support This additional investment in capacity, we are confident that focusing and delivering value to our customers will support the appropriate returns needed to invest to meet their needs and put us on a strong path toward long sustainable growth. That concludes my prepared comments.

Speaker 1

I will turn the floor over to Brad Delco.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you. And just we presented a lot to you guys there. We know our

Speaker 1

And your first question comes from the line of Allison Landry with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good afternoon. So I just wanted to see how we could think through the ROIC See on intermodal, I mean, obviously, you talked about the lower margin target, which you alluded to on Q4. But it sounds like what you're saying is that the returns on invested capital are not going to change that show. Maybe if you could help us think through that?

And Just maybe more broadly, you've moved the business towards or moving the business towards a more asset light model. And just curious on your thoughts or expectations for longer term consolidated ROIC? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Well, let me first touch on intermodal, Allison. Appreciate the question. At the end of the day, At times in the past, we know it's been a while since we ran in the 11% to 13%. At times in the past, Since that time, our revenue per load has increased substantially 2018 and again this year, Prices are increasing pretty rapidly, so have costs, leaving us at a profitability level on a per load basis that is still Similar to even better than it used to be when we were in the 11% to 13% range, which translates to returns on invested capital in intermodal Even at a slightly weaker margin that are still as good as they used to be. And that's really what's driving some of that conversation.

And I'll let Kullo will probably speak to more on the enterprise side. Yes.

Speaker 2

So Allison, we look at Really ROIC from we manage it from a consolidated basis. And so we obviously have investments In the individual segments, different times, for example, we announced the increase in the container order. That's a huge Capital investment in the current year. But we look at that overall investment over the 20 year life of this. And so we manage The balance of the segments on a consolidated basis and those are going to increase and decrease just depending on the level of investment that we have at that time.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Chris Wetherbee with Citi.

Speaker 5

Yes, hey, thanks. Good afternoon. I wanted to stay on intermodal if I could and ask about the 12,000 containers. I guess what I'm trying to understand is When you look at the market today, I think you said your customers want more capacity from you. Can you talk a little bit about these containers and And sort of how well they're already spoken for and I think taking maybe into account just sort of the core demand that's in the market, but also maybe the sort of underutilization that's been caused by this Congestion.

So I guess, in other words, how long do you think it takes to deploy those sort of actively in the market? Or do you think this actually creates a little bit more supply relative

Speaker 4

So I would say our customer demand is significant. And The 6,000 containers we plan to order in when we announced that in the Q4 earnings call back in January And the current velocity environment just wasn't given us as much capacity as our customers clearly wanted from us. I'm not of the opinion that adding these containers puts an oversupply in any way into the market. I still believe that the market will be Under supported with capacity based on velocity and some challenges there, We made this decision knowing that we could fully utilize those containers that we announced We've expanded the order on.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Jon Chappell Chappell with Evercore ISI.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Question for Brad Hicks and maybe Shelly. 6 months ago, you guys expected ICS Yes, to turn a profit in the back half of twenty twenty one. Then you went on and did a nice profit in 4Q twenty twenty. Said you expected Profitability in second half twenty twenty one, did an even better profit in 1Q 2021.

So the question is, are we looking at still achieving the Scale that you were hoping to attain in the second half of twenty twenty one. And if that's the case, is there an even greater step change in the profitability and the gross margin potential of this business, Especially when you layer in this collaboration that you're hoping to achieve with Google. Good afternoon, John. I'll take a stab and maybe send it over to Shelly to add any other further comments. We may have been too cautious when we spoke at the end of Q4 about what the 1st part of this year held.

We still are in a heavy investment window as we clarified, I think, 8 quarters ago. But the market conditions really are very favorable as we think about revenue quality and our overall ability to get the rate At a level that accounts for the increase in PTE that we have seen. The revenue per load levels are amongst the highest we've seen In our history, but also too is PTE. And so the combination of those 2 with where we're at in our platform development, Which we feel very encouraged by as we turn into Q2 is very favorable for us. And Did that allow us to get further ahead than we had anticipated?

Certainly, the outcome and output of Q1 would reinforce that to some degree. We still have work to do. We still have heavy investments, but we are at a place that we are very satisfied with on our journey. Shelly?

Speaker 3

I would add to we are still very focused on scaling our business. When we started our bid season, Really across all of our segments, our customer alignment on cost and capacity wasn't necessarily Reflective in the feedback we were getting versus what the competitive market looks like. So if you look at what happened in the Q1, We moved a disproportionate amount of spot shipments versus what we have historically moved and published volumes were lower than We expected at the beginning of the Q1. As we have progressed through that quarter and even moving here into April, We have seen our customers lean into us significantly and really giving us larger bid awards Across our segments and particularly inside highway. So I would say our beat in Q1 was a more robust environment, more spot Price in general.

And as we move into Q2, I think that there will be seasonal margin pressure and In particular, having published pricing that should be more on an annual basis. But having said that, more specific to the work that we are working on With Google and our alliance, we still are very focused on our co innovation together to solve industry challenges focused Primarily right now on transparency and visibility, we do think that that will help connect to our bottom line, which is why Brad reaffirms our margin targets in ICS, we are encouraged with our results. We are laser focused on getting to scale, very critical to have a great platform to create that most efficient transportation network in North America.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Ravi Shanker from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good evening, everyone.

Speaker 4

Just a clarification on the margin targets. It looks like you guys are obviously in I'm and also a little bit in Yes, kind of keeping your margin target flat to slightly down as a trade off for higher top line growth, which seems like a very, very reasonable approach. But what level of revenue growth roughly are you underwriting to get to those margin targets?

Speaker 2

Robbie, this is Brad. We don't typically give guidance, but In terms of other things we've said publicly, particularly around intermodal, we believe we should be over a long period of time growing at a faster rate than the market. And the reason for that is because we feel like we have some advantages. And so that's kind of what we've talked about in intermodal. And then with dedicated, I think Nick's provided comments about what we target to sell each But we're not going to give you specific revenue growth targets.

We've obviously worked hard to get You guys more transparency on what we feel like is the right margin target range that generates the appropriate returns on our capital And allows us to continue to grow well into the future as the market presents us those opportunities.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Scott Berg with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 2

Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, guys. So you guys have been at a, call it, a 10% intermodal margin in the last 3 years. As the rates reset higher, do you think you'll be closer to that 12% margin on an annualized basis? And then this $1,250,000,000 of CapEx, should we think about this as a one off or a new normal?

Speaker 4

Scott, this is Darren. I'll take the margin question. We just don't we've given you a long term Target. And so to say we expect anything, we expect to land inside that target and that's certainly our goal and that's What we come into work every day and focus on.

Speaker 2

Scott, this is John. From a CapEx standpoint, we've obviously elevated this. There was a little bit of Carryover from last year that we paused just going through the pandemic and there might be a little bit of pull forward. But this I wouldn't use this as a run rate specifically. It's elevated from a little bit from where our normal run rate will be going forward.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Alliger with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 4

Yes. I am just sort of curious on the Final Mile business, which was pretty strong from a profit standpoint. Maybe give some thoughts around that. And specifically, the pace has been really strong. And obviously, there's a lot of trends fitting that.

I'm just sort of curious, How long do you think we could extend that outlook? I mean,

Speaker 2

would you say it's going

Speaker 4

to be fairly robust this year and beyond in the final mile Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. This is Beck. I would say that We saw a lot of Q4 push into Q1 because of the supply chain disruptions. And so that carried forward Q1 is normally very slow and are at least profitable, but really we got a big burst in the run of like Q4 and Q1. And so we expect everything to go back to normal in Final Mile Q2 and Q3 and we'll hit our target range is where we think we'll be For the year.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Tom Wadewitz with UBS.

Speaker 4

Yes. Good afternoon. I wanted to ask you a little bit more about the Intermodal contract rates and I guess you could talk about contract rates overall if you want. Clearly pointed to some strength. Is this it seems like a big step up after the February weather impact.

Should we be thinking about potentially 15 And contract rate or are you saying instead of kind of 9 or 10, we ought to be thinking about like 11? Just trying to get a sense of How large that step up in the expectation for contract rates would be? Well, Tom, I appreciate the attempt. We highlighted high single to low double, and we reiterated in earlier comments that we're feeling more confident about the higher end of that. Outside of that statement, I really don't think it's I don't even know enough yet to say anything beyond that.

So I don't know how to guide you to anything beyond double digits.

Speaker 2

Tom, we'll update you if we think it goes triple digits. How about that?

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Justin Long with Stephens.

Speaker 4

Thanks and congrats on the quarter. On intermodal margins, I know John you called out $17,000,000 weather impact on a consolidated basis. I was wondering if you could quantify what the impact was in intermodal And if you could share what intermodal margins would have looked like ex weather. And then thinking about the longer term intermodal margin guidance, Can you go into a little bit more detail on what that assumes for the progression of rail service versus where we are today?

Speaker 2

Yes. Sorry, Justin. I can as far as the weather impacts On intermodal, we really look at it from a load standpoint, what we said was the 25,000 loads. To translate that into margin, it takes a lot of speculation calculating snow removal, insurance and claims. And so what we have good The impact on the loads and the volumes, and I think that's the best way.

I don't know how to translate that into what would margins have looked like Had we not had the weather event? There's just too many subjective things in there. And I apologize, I forgot your second part of the question.

Speaker 4

I'll probably take that one. I think he was asking do we how much does it play into our ability in the new Margin range to get either an improvement or in rail service or the expectation that it will remain Somewhat stuck or slower or challenged velocity. I think more than anything, we have probably Some believe that rail velocity has slowed down since the days of our 11% to 13% margins. And I'm not ready to tell you that I have an expectation that it's going to get back to those levels. Do I think that rail velocity Will improve in 2021 and beyond?

I do. I mean, I think that has a lot to do with this labor supply challenge that we've Highlighted many times and I don't think the railroads are they're impacted by that as well, particularly at the terminal level. So I would expect some improvement, which can help us, but I don't know that I can see rail velocity getting back to the levels it was 2 or 3 years ago.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Ken Stern with Bank of America.

Speaker 2

Hey, good afternoon. If we can just talk a little bit about the congestion and tightness, Maybe your thoughts on how long this lasts given the low inventories and the benefits of the tightness that you're seeing now versus then contrasting that with the You're up over ordering equipment. So as congestion clears, do you see in the near term then you're stuck with some excess equipment or impacting rates?

Speaker 4

Yes. I think from Intermodal's perspective, there is such a Strong demand for intermodal services for highway conversion in the eastern part of the country that isn't necessarily Attached to congestion at ports or particularly difficult congestion along the West Coast, we have a lot of confidence in our ability Continue to grow intermodal. Will there be a blip in quarter somewhere? I guess that's possible, but I think we feel very good about The long term projection of the equipment adds, that's frankly why we did it. I would just add to that, Darren, that we see congestion also on the highway services side, predominantly with our box program And not so much from a rail congestion or port congestion, but in terms of our customers unload behavior.

And so those labor challenges that Darren mentioned that we can see the impacts from at ports and ramps, We also see on the customer behavior side. And so we're paying very close attention to that. We would hope and expect To see a lift from where we are at today, and we really saw that deteriorate beginning to middle of COVID last year. And That equipment velocity and availability is being negatively impacted by our customers' ability to unload the equipment And we're working very closely with them to try and solve for that.

Speaker 3

And I would say, maybe just from a customer view as well, inventory, I I think will continue to be an issue and will persist through the second half of this year. I think that is newer news and particularly what's happening On the import side, really trying to replenish. If you just see how consumers are spending, that is continuing from 2020. I would say the challenges that we're experiencing, whether it's at the port or the rail and in particular the labor side for Professional drivers, that is a major issue that is very different this time that will take us more time to work through. And we are very focused with our customers on Cross selling and coming up with better peak planning, we do have across all services, good line of sight as to how we'll help And have a successful peak season, whether that's in Q2 or happening in the back half of the year, I feel really confident about the work we're doing together.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan.

Speaker 2

Hey, Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. So I just wanted to see in terms of the ICS and 360, you announced the Google Alliance, you announced another Partnership with KeepTrucking. Where do you feel like you are in terms of partnerships as you're trying to build out scale in the network? And clearly, you're benefiting from a bit of spot market strength, as you mentioned.

But how far do you think you are from really Getting to scale, what sort of measures should we look for and how are you tracking against them?

Speaker 3

Well, thank you for that, Brian. We are I have 3 key areas that we're focused on in JB Ant360, really access, transparency and visibility, and that directly relates for our customer and cost, Service and capacity. We do have multiple, as you call them, partnerships across each one of those as Our strategy and our work continues. We don't announce every piece of that because we don't see the advantage in the market to openly discuss that, But we do have specific work that is happening inside that. From a scale perspective, we will continue to Work on removing friction.

We want to make it simple for a shipper or a carrier to be able to connect quickly And efficiently. And so any of the connections that we can make and leverage other people's expertise and really Bring that or solve for that through JB Hunt 360, we will review and implement. So I would say our Scale, our ability to scale will be continuing to solve for our customers, number 1, from a full scale or from a full scroll perspective, But also making sure that we highlight the technology so that they can get access to the right mode, the right truck at the right time. Pricing then will be reflective and transparency and then ultimately customers want to be able to track their shipment the same way we track a Domino's Pizza From the time we call it in to the time it gets to our home and that's what we're focused on.

Speaker 4

I would just add to that, Shelly, that from an execution standpoint, as we Establish those key partnerships. We're constantly focused on how it can improve productivity and efficiency So that we can provide for our customers that cost benefit, that service benefit, that visibility benefit. And so we pay very close attention to The internal aspect of those capabilities as we move on down the road as well.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 2

Thanks, operator. Hey, Darren. Just wondering if you can give us some color On those 12,000 new boxes, specifically when it's coming, where it's going, my guess is it's mostly earmarked for the East, but If you can just talk about that. And also just related to that, one thing that I'm trying to understand is how the KPIs in the business and the intermodal business Kind of evolve as that new capacity comes online. It's obviously a lot of capacity, 12% new capacity.

I assume it's Good for growth because of the improvement in turns and maybe dilutive to length of haul and yields, maybe even slightly dilutive to margins, That's not dilutive to ROIC. I'm just trying to think through that. So if you can just talk about there's probably like 5 questions in there, but When it's coming, where it's going and how do the KPIs kind of evolve as that new capacity comes online?

Speaker 4

Sure. So we announced $6,000 earlier in our Q4 earnings call, and today we're updating that up to Well, there are some temp control equipment in there, roughly 1,000 temp control boxes that will come in that Have been in our plan for some time. And so that those will all flow into the West Coast. Now the dry boxes, The logistics plan to get those boxes into our system continues to evolve. In some ways, We're securing capacity to bring that equipment predominantly to the West Coast and predominantly to Southern California So that it enters our market at the right time.

Those boxes begin to deliver during Q2 and really are spread throughout the rest of the year with And there's probably a little bit extra during Q3 where you'll be receiving a little bit heavier flow of that equipment in To help us for peak season, certainly for the longer term life of that equipment, we would expect it to be diversified Into the Eastern network, but in 2021, it's really going to help us a lot out west for sure.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Bascome Majors with Susquehanna. Please go ahead. Yes.

Speaker 2

Thanks for taking my question. Wanted to turn back to Final Mile. Can you talk a little bit about your contract structure with local carriers in terms of your visibility Into cost inflation. And you talked about your long term margin target and reiterated it 4 to 8. A couple of years ago, you talked kind of 2% to 4% in the early stages.

Are we sustainably based on how you see this business trending in that longer term range at Thank you. Yes. Thank you for the question. I think we are trending that way. From what we're seeing with contract rates, they are going up with our contractors.

The market is very tight, Particularly with the amount of background checks we do for security, safety protocols, we try to hold ourselves to the highest standard And then our contractors that way, so the cost will go up. So we're able to pack that along to our customers. They're not structured yet as a dedicated contract Are, but we have very good relationships with our customers with the top performing metrics on service all the way around. So we think we'll be able to go back to our customers if the market demands it to get that. So yes, I think we're in the right market range.

You're going to see us work to improve the margins and we've done some of that with rates with existing customers and we're going to continue to do that as we move forward. So Yes, we still come to the 4% to 8% more volume there.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Todd Fowler with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks and good evening. Just for clarification, with the margin targets, What you're laying out and what you're updating is really, is it fair to say is this the normalized range and that's how you're pricing business? And Should we think about that there could be cyclical factors where you could be above or below those ranges for a period of time? And then secondly, it certainly feels like with ICS and Dedicated, you can be in those ranges.

But in the other segments, are there any investments or changes that you need to make to be within those margin ranges Within a near term basis.

Speaker 2

I would just say I'll start with dedicated first. And we feel very comfortable. We're not changing our pricing model as we said in our comments. We think we've got to the scale now. With the growth that we're seeing this year, we've had a very good Q1.

We've signed 380 trucks already, And we're off to a really good start. Just last week, we signed 133 trucks. So we think that we've got the scale That we're going to be able to absorb that without it impacting our margins. And then also, we just have the density of the marketplace. We've got 360 Marketplace to help us be more efficient.

Gain, we saw our productivity as well increased very nicely this quarter. And all that's about efficiency and density that really allows us to work on that margin without increasing our cost to our customers.

Speaker 4

I'll add to that Nick from a Highway Services perspective. We did adjust slightly our truck Targets, but mostly just a pure reflection, as John alluded to, of a movement towards more of an asset light Position where we're growing our box program without having to make the historical heavy investment of the tractor. And so That really just helped us kind of shore up where we think that will be. We are still on that journey. Our Box initiative really just launched less than 18 months ago.

And as we've also stated today, we've increased the investment for incremental boxes just this year. And so we're tracking along per our expectations and we see the ability to get back to that expectation. Switching gears over to ICS similarly, we're at the end of our heavy investment period. But again, characteristics, productivity gains, the Advantages that we're seeing and capitalizing on because of the platform where we're able to just be more efficient and make better decisions And really eliminate waste. We see those things that reinforce the affirmation of the range that John reiterated.

And so those are the things that drove us. But again, I think it's important for all of our BUs. Fundamentally, it's about return on invested capital For us and if things change in the model, whether that be further movement to asset light in our truck model, And that could influence things down the road. But at this point, those are the targets that we think are extremely realistic and achievable. I'll just quickly on intermodal.

Certainly, I would expect that

Speaker 2

we're kind of through a

Speaker 4

noisy period Time related to arbitration and underlying rail cost. We have what we feel like is a very good understanding of that role in our Cost and felt like this margin adjustment was appropriate as well as sustainable for growth. Do I think there is The opportunity to live at the high end of it, I guess at times that's certainly possible. I don't know How to predict that, but I certainly would expect to be within that zone is certainly a sustainable plan for us to continue to grow intermodal.

Speaker 3

I would just add maybe to wrap up as an organization. I think the cyclicality will come when we have underestimated or missed our cost basis For our customers, we will continue to honor our commitments. And any time we have made a commitment to a customer based on a fixed price and that Assumption changes up or down, you could see us move in the margin target range and even outside of that either direction that over the longer term, We think that those margin targets are appropriate based on what we know today and based on our growth plan with our customers.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I guess, Shelly, can I follow-up with you here on I see? Yes, well, I guess, because I do think it was down about 1% this quarter.

You did get a lot of price, obviously, you were profitable again, which was better than expectations. But Is there anything to read through on market share competitiveness? Because I think it's scale and number of transactions that you really want to get towards the back half of the year. So Can you talk to whether or not that was a setback this quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. Great question. So our overall includes what's happening From an LTL perspective, we really have a key customer that we have been overcoming that comp inside our LTL sector. We're starting to see growth, particularly in our 360 platform. So I feel confident about our plan around the LTL side.

In general, if you just look at truckload volumes, Particularly in ITS, those volumes were at a 10% growth plan. But I did talk about this earlier in this call That's the very first part of bid season. Although we have been educating and talking through what we believe the cost base would be to serve our customers in All of our services that didn't directly align to the competitive pressure we were feeling from our customers in bid season. I will say we held our ground on price in really all of our segments overall. And as our customers We implemented those bids in Q1.

Many of those bids were not working. They were falling apart because the price was not commensurate to Cost that the carriers and the brokers were giving to customers. So as we progress through Q1, We started picking up volume again, very much in line with what our strategy was as an organization in total and have a lot of Confidence in our scaling and gaining more market share in Q2 and beyond, not just in ICS, but also in JBT. Remember, the platform is not just an ICS product. It is across our entire enterprise, how we can leverage that for our customers To really allow them to have the right cost service and capacity, we saw scaling inside JBT as well In the Q1, we will continue to gain and take market share in both JBT and ICS from a 360 platform and then certainly in the intermodal

Speaker 2

Hey, April, we have time for one more question.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And your last question comes from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Thanks for fitting me in here. Just a question for you on the contour of the Intermodal volume trends in the quarter. Could you talk a little bit about what the exit rate was in March and how we should be thinking about the build Over the COVID disruption volumes that we saw in 2Q after? Well, so certainly, we highlighted earlier that February was just very difficult as you're all aware of weather related impacts and that did bleed into The first part of March, we did highlight that March overall grew at 4%.

But remember, last year, March Probably had a little bit of COVID impact. There was some disruption in intermodal at that time. So to say that Volumes in March reached pre weather disruption levels. We're continuing To work hard to rebuild the network, get the capacity in all the markets where it needs to be and get back on a better velocity

Speaker 2

Hey, Dana, this is Brad. The only thing I'll follow-up with, we did provide And Darren did provide monthly. So monthly March was up 4%. That's probably the best data point we can give you in terms of What the expectation should be in 2Q, all I'd just remind you, we did start to feel COVID late last March And then comps do get a little easier, but we're not going to try to predict what our volumes will look like in Q2 because there's a lot of different variables that will Ultimately play into how we perform. I think, John, you're going to close this out.

Yes. I'll close this out. I'll start with a thanks to everybody for joining us today. I'll say that I am extremely proud of this team of leaders here that not only navigated us through a Very challenging 2020 but hit the ground, as we can see, running hard in the Q1. I'm also very proud of this organization for hearing our customers' need and presenting discussion that was very consumable.

These are Big changes for us to make this early in the year, but please rest assured that there's been a lot of modeling, a lot of debating and a lot of Conviction to making investments like these to better serve our customers, that's why we're here, and it's what we do. And I love it when we hear that And lean in and invest. I'd like to reiterate this driver availability challenge. Again, I think it's a meaningful part of our Midterm and potentially long term future, and I think we'll be hearing and discussing more and more about that.

Speaker 4

And then the last thing,

Speaker 2

Just love seeing the results from years ago, our prioritizing the need to invest in technology to bring The company forward and really, I think, at this point, the industry forward. I think 360, as Shelly just said, is a Very comprehensive approach. It started out as a kind of a migration from legacy to what could it be You know what you're seeing and hearing today, and we have a really good hope in that effort and investment going forward. So I hope this call has provided some clarity on the questions around margin. We spent a lot of time talking about that as appropriate.

I hope we brought that to close now, and we can continue to give you helpful updates. Thanks for the time today, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter.

Speaker 1

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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