Good morning, and welcome to the Kimco Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to David Bujnicki.
Please go ahead.
Good morning, and thank you for joining Kimco's Q2 2020 earnings call. We'll jump right into it while most of us in the Northeast still have power and Wi Fi service. The Kimco management team participating on the call today include Conor Flynn, Kimco's CEO Ross Cooper, President and Chief Investment Officer Glenn Cohen, our CFO Dave Jamieson, Kimco's Chief Operating Officer as well as other members of our executive team that are also available to answer questions during the call. As a reminder, statements made during the course of this call may be deemed forward looking, and it's important to note that the company's actual results could differ materially from those projected in such forward looking statements due to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors. Please refer to the company's SEC filings that address such factors.
During this presentation, management may make reference to certain non GAAP financial measures that we believe help investors better understand Kimco's operating results. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures can also be found on the Investor Relations area of our website. And with that, I'm going to turn the call over to Conor. Good morning, and thanks for joining us today. Today, I'll give you an update on how we are confronting the challenges posed by COVID-nineteen and how we plan to move forward as parts of the country continue to struggle with the virus, while other parts slowly come back.
Ross will give an update on the transaction market, and Glenn will follow with a recap of the numbers for Q2 and our enhanced liquidity position. The COVID virus is a challenge to our entire industry and one that we're addressing head on. At Kimco, our great team, high quality assets and strong balance sheet are helping us weather the pandemic and prepare for the future. We have an effective strategy for dealing with COVID-nineteen and have made significant progress since our last call. First, I would like to applaud the entire Kimco team for their tireless efforts in ensuring that our centers remain open and operating.
Our people are smart, passionate, dedicated and determined. Simply put, they are the best at what they do and together we continue to provide our shoppers, our tenants, employees, our extended Kimco family and our local communities with a safe experience. It is also worth noting that as a result of our national footprint, our best practices and lessons learned from the challenges faced early on in the Northeast are now being employed to help those areas in the Southeast and West in their time of need. Our portfolio continues to withstand the pandemic's impact. We have reached deferral modification agreements with the vast majority of our top 100 retailers who we deem non essential and are forced to close in some capacity.
We believe our retailer partnerships are differentiators for Kimco. And in these challenging times, tenant relations matter more than ever. While working with our tenants to help them get to the other side, they have worked with us to remove certain lease restrictions that will enhance redevelopment opportunities and create long term value for our shareholders. Ironically, many of our tenant relationships have actually strengthened during the pandemic, which bodes well for our future success, including the potential for opportunistic investments similar to the successful investment we made in Albertson. The operating metrics reported today for our repositioned portfolio reflect its quality and resiliency.
And in times of stress, quality is critical. We continue to lease space even in these uncertain times. In Q2, we executed 52 new leases totaling 256,000 square feet at a positive 22.9% spread and renewed 180 leases covering 959,000 square feet at a positive 10.7% spread. Combined, our spreads were a strong plus 12%. New leasing and tenant retention efforts helped occupancy finish at 95.6% for the quarter.
Anchor occupancy was even stronger at 98.2% and small shop occupancy was 88%. Year over year, our anchor occupancy was flat, which again represents a strong result in the current environment and a further testament to our team and portfolio. We continue to extend assistance to our small shop tenants who need help in these challenging times. Our tenant assistance program or TAP is a multi pronged approach to provide valuable resources free of charge. This program provides our small shop retailers with a free legal advisor to help navigate the numerous state and federal programs available for small businesses, which by our account has potentially resulted in over $20,000,000 of PPP funding for our small shop tenants.
Our TAP program is also helping tenants activate outdoor areas to continue operations. The national Kimco curbside pickup initiative has been well received and customers are utilizing the service more and more. Retailers have told us that our curbside program stands as a festive encounter and has had a positive impact on their operations. We have also helped our restaurant tenants activate sidewalk cafes and green spaces to help with capacity constraints.
All of
our efforts and initiatives to help our tenants are paying off. For the month of April, we collected cash based rent totaling 68% in May, 66% June, 76% and July is currently at 82%. We are currently trending above our internal forecast for rent collection. While this is encouraging, we remain mindful of the rollbacks occurring in certain hotspots and the simple reality is that the impact of the virus inhibits our industry's ability to forecast with a sense of confidence. During the Q2, we granted rent deferrals totaling 18.5% of base rent.
We fielded rent deferral requests for July that amounted to only 8% of scheduled rent and have worked out deferral plans for 4 basis points of total rent. This is a significant improvement from the start of the pandemic, when in April, we fielded deferral requests that amounted to 39% of ABR. At the end of July, our weighted average repayment period for deferrals is approximately 9 months. Currently, 94% of our tenants are open with only 3 percent of ABR subject to mandated closures. Our development and redevelopment pipeline activity is currently focused on achieving multiple entitlement master plan approvals across the country.
Our goal is to entitle an additional 5,000 multifamily units in the next 5 years that will provide us with a total of 10,000 units by 2025. While we are closely controlling our project expenses, our goal is to be ready to move forward with several projects when market conditions are right. As for our Signature Series projects, we just received the temporary certificate of occupancy for the new ShopRite grocery anchor at the Boulevard project on Staten Island. We anticipate opening this fall with the majority of other retailers opening in the spring of 2021. At Dania Point, we recently completed construction and now have 15 tenant fit outs underway, including Urban Outfitters and Anthropologie.
The 1st multifamily building, the Avery at Dania Point, which is on a ground lease has begun moving in the 1st residence. Our portfolio strategy is focused on having our grocery, home improvement and mixed use anchored assets clustered in strong economic MSAs that serve the last mile. These dense areas create significant barriers to entry and a favorable balance of supply and demand. Our sophisticated retailers are utilizing these last mile stores as indispensable fulfillment and distribution centers. This is a differentiator for Walmart, Costco, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's and all of our grocery anchors who continue to serve their customers in multiple ways: in store shopping, buy online pickup in store, curbside pickup and home delivery.
These services and conveniences are all part of what the consumer is now demanding, and those with stores close to dense populations are outperforming pure e commerce players on delivery times and cost efficiency. We are witnessing a blurring of lines between the distribution, fulfillment and last mile stores. We have also seen an uptick in demand from our essential retailers, who are also looking for more last mile location. Clearly, we are experiencing retail Darwinism play out in an expedited manner, and we believe we are well positioned to take advantage of the future of retail. Finally, in addition to our team and portfolio, we continue to prioritize liquidity.
Glenn will give the details on how we bolstered our balance sheet by issuing our 1st green bond at an attractive rate, paid back our term loan and continue to push out our maturity profile. We have our entire untapped $2,000,000,000 line of credit at our disposal, limited maturities on the horizon and received a further cash infusion from our Allison's investment. We believe our ongoing efforts to enhance our balance sheet and cash position will enable us to prosper and be opportunistic at a time of tremendous dislocation and well into the future. While the current unpredictability of the virus and government action is making forecasting a challenge, we continue to monitor the environment daily. We meet regularly with our Board members to keep them up to date, review our cash projections and determine how and when to reinstate our dividend.
To be clear, it is our intention to pay an additional cash dividend in 2020, which at a minimum will cover our taxable income. As I said at the outset, the companies that stand out in this environment are those with superior talent, superior asset quality and a superior balance sheet. In these unsettled times, we believe we have the right combination to weather the storm and will be in among the best position to preserve and succeed over the long term. Ross?
Thank you, Conor, and good morning, everyone. I would first like to echo Conor's sentiments on the Kimco team and the incredible efforts put forth during these challenging times. It has been nothing short of inspirational. On the business side, our strategy has been fairly straightforward. Ensure the maximum amount of liquidity and balance sheet strength to enable us to be opportunistic at the appropriate time.
We are confident that we have successfully accomplished the first part of the equation and now we've remained patient and ready for the latter. Thus far, the transaction market has been fairly limited with most owners and lenders biding as much time as possible before deciding on a path forward with their assets. Multi tenant strip center transactions were down by 80% to 90% from April through July. This is coming off a vibrant and active January February, which was up 30% 16% year over year. The majority of the deals that did close from April to June were pre COVID deals that were pushed over the finish line with both sides of the deal willing to compromise to get it done.
Post COVID deals hitting the market have been sparse with a few exceptions being smaller essential retailer anchored centers that have a very specific reason to consider a sale. There has been very little capitulation between buyers and sellers in the
bid ask at this point.
We anticipate that come the Q4 and into the early parts of 2021, there may be some private owners and operators that ultimately make the decision to be market sellers. That being said, we are starting to see investment opportunities loosening up in 2 distinct categories. 1st, with our existing retailers. Liquidity is more important than ever regardless of what category they operate within and all are looking to bolster cash and strengthen their balance sheets. We have a proven history of unlocking value and working with retailers to weather a crisis and have started having multiple discussions around mutually beneficial ways to work with those companies that are real estate rich.
Between owned stores and distribution centers, there is substantial value in their holdings that can be used to enhance value for their business, while providing a solid growing income stream for us. The second category is with existing owners in need of offensive growth capital. In many cases, the traditional sources of financing have dried up for retail property owners. With the exception of down the fairway, neighborhood grocery anchored or very strong Credit Junior lineups, lenders have become extremely cautious during this pandemic. For those like Kimco with liquidity already raised, it presents the option to invest rescue capital to those in need.
And this is not specific to distressed or struggling properties. This includes major market centers with growth opportunities that need capital to execute on the vision. Whether coming in as a joint venture partner or a lender, there are excellent real estate locations that require investment capital, which we can assist with and we're having those conversations regularly. As for an update on our exploration of an investment vehicle, we have had productive conversations with multiple outside capital that are interested in partnering with Kimco on unique opportunities. Because this set of opportunities are wide and varied, we continue to evaluate different structures that best reward Kimco shareholders.
We will have more updates as the Plus business pipeline unfolds. While we will be thoughtful and opportunistic with where we place that capital, we are starting to build a potential pipeline for these initiatives. We believe it will take time and patience, but given our knowledge of the sector and broad relationships, we anticipate being able to unlock value for our shareholders in the coming years with this investment approach. Now let me pass the call off to Glenn for the financial details of the quarter.
Thanks, Ross, and good morning. I'm going to focus my confidence on 2nd quarter results, including accounts receivable reserves, capital markets activities and our strong liquidity position. For the Q2 2020, NAREIT FFO was 103 point $5,000,000 or $0.24 per diluted share as compared to $151,200,000 or $0.36 per diluted share for the Q2 last year. The reduction was mainly due to an increase in credit loss reserves of $51,400,000 as compared to the Q2 last year, resulting from the ongoing COVID-nineteen pandemic.
On a
positive note, we delivered incremental NOI of $1,900,000 from our recently completed development projects at Lincoln Square, Grand Parkway, Mill Station and Dania Point. We also reduced our financing costs by $3,500,000 achieved with $8,200,000 of savings from the previous redemptions of $575,000,000 of preferred stock, offset by higher interest expense of $4,700,000 due to increased debt levels. It is worth noting, although not included in NAREIT FFO, but included in net income, we recognized realized gains totaling over $190,000,000 or $0.44 per diluted share from the partial monetization of our Albertsons investment and an unrealized gain of $524,700,000 on our remaining ownership stake in Albertsons. We received over $228,000,000 in cash from these transactions and used the proceeds to reduce debt. As expected, our 2nd quarter results were negatively impacted by the forced and voluntary closures of many of our tenants during the Q2 due to the ongoing COVID-nineteen pandemic.
Those most affected were tenants deemed non essential and included many of our small shop tenants. We have been working diligently to help as many tenants as possible with deferrals, but collectability for many is questionable and requires us to place those tenants on a cash basis. For those tenants now on a cash basis, we reserved 100 percent of their outstanding accounts receivable. We are continuing to monitor the situation closely. Now, let me provide some additional detail regarding the credit loss reserve for the Q2 of 2020.
We recorded a $40,100,000 credit loss reserve against accrued revenues during the quarter and an additional $11,600,000 reserve against non cash straight line rent receivables. As of June 30, 2020, our total uncollectible reserves stand at $56,100,000 or 32% of our pro rata share of accounts receivable. Of the total credit loss reserve, $22,500,000 is attributable to tenants on a cash basis. At the end of 2Q 2020, approximately 6.4% of our annual base rents are from cash basis tenants. Any collections of the reserve amounts will be included in revenues in the period received.
In addition, we have a reserve of $21,600,000 or 12.5 percent against straight line rent receivables. Turning to the balance sheet, our liquidity position remains strong with over $200,000,000 of cash $2,000,000,000 available on our recently closed revolving credit facility with final maturity in 2025. During the Q2 2020, we obtained a fully funded $590,000,000 term loan, further enhancing our liquidity position. We subsequently repaid 2 $65,000,000 of this term loan with proceeds from the partial Albertsons monetization during the Q2. We finished the Q2 2020 with consolidated net debt to EBITDA of 8.6x9.4x on a look through basis, which includes our preferred stock outstanding and pro rata JV debt.
The increase is attributable to the credit loss reserve, which reduced EBITDA. However, if we include the realized gains from the partial monetization of the Albertsons investment, the consolidated net debt to EBITDA would be 6.5 times and the look through metric would be 7.3 times, level similar to Q1 2020 results. Our weighted average debt maturity profile as of June 30, 2020 was 10.6 years, one of the longest in the REIT industry. Subsequent to quarter end, we issued a 2.7 percent, dollars 500,000,000 green bond. Pending investment in eligible green projects, the proceeds were used to repay in full the remaining 325,000,000 dollars outstanding on the April 2020 term loan and the early redemption of $200,000,000 of the $484,900,000 of bonds due in May of 2021.
We will incur an early redemption charge of approximately $3,300,000 during Q3 2020. Our consolidated debt maturities for 2021 of $425,000,000 and our joint venture debt maturities of $195,000,000 are quite manageable given our liquidity position and availability on our $2,000,000,000 revolver and availability on the $150,000,000 revolver in our keyer joint venture. In addition, we continually monitor the bond market for opportunistic entry points. As a result of the ongoing impact from the COVID-nineteen pandemic, we are not comfortable providing FFO or same site NOI guidance at this point. Regarding our common dividend, during 2020, we have so far paid dividends of $0.56 per common share.
It remains our intention during 2020 to pay cash dividends at least equal to our taxable income. We continue to evaluate the business and economic landscape and have monthly dialogue with our Board regarding the timing and the level of the common dividend. Although these are challenging times, with our abundant liquidity position, highly experienced and motivated team, along with our well positioned portfolio, we are built to withstand the impact of the pandemic and thrive when we get to the other side of this unprecedented situation. And with that, we'd be happy to take your questions.
We'll now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Rich Hill from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Good morning, guys. I wanted to maybe just start with a higher level question
about rent deferrals and bad debt. And I'm not asking you to give a guide by any means, but I'm wondering if you can give us some historical views into how much of bad debt you ultimately end up collecting and then how much of deferrals you might not collect?
It's Glenn. I mean, it certainly varies. I mean, up until the pandemic, if you look at what we've done in the past, right, credit loss reserve has ranged somewhere in that 75 basis point range. And for the most part, that is what you really have wound up writing off over time. Look, the pandemic is a lot different.
You have really retailers that are closed not because they want to be closed and not because they were in financial trouble because of the situation they've been forced to close. So trying to estimate what the uncollectible amount is going to be is just really, really challenging. What we are doing is spending a lot of time with the tenants trying to help them so that they can stay open and give them the opportunity to get the other side to help manage it as best as we can. But really, I can't actually give you a number of what we would expect here.
Got it. That's helpful. And I did want
to spend a little bit
of time on the COVID-nineteen business update in your supplemental. First of all, thank you for the detailed disclosure. It's really helpful. So if I'm looking at your total rent collected versus deferrals, in 2Q, it was 70% rent collected, almost 19% deferrals. And then in July, it was 82% Number 1, are you converting deferrals into actual rent collections as properties and stores open up?
And do you think that sort of cadence will continue for the next couple of months whereby you'll have an increase in rent collections and
then still some bad debt? Well, again, the deferrals depending on where the deferral is, if it's a deferral that was done on a cash basis, tenants, that's fully reserved. So as I mentioned in my opening remarks, to the extent we collect those, those are going to wind up as revenue in the period that they're collected. But again, converting deferrals to rent collection, I guess, as I think as Conor mentioned, the weighted average term is about 9 months for all the deferrals. And a lot of the deferrals that are going to be
paid really mostly in 2021 will really
come from a lot of the
And I think you'll see a fair amount of the deferral get collected.
Okay,
fair enough. What I was really trying to understand was it looks like you have some pretty strong cadence in rent collections while deferrals are going down. And it seems like based upon the prepared remarks and what Connor was saying, we would expect the rent collections to continue to rise in October and October. That's really what I was trying to get at.
No, that's exactly right, Rich. I think when you saw early in the pandemic, we all banded together to work with the large tenants to make sure that they have the deferrals nailed down so that we can now take the time to really help the small shop tenants. They're going to need a longer bridge, in my opinion. So the lion's share of the big tenants have been taken care of in terms of deferrals, and now we're crafting unique deferral programs for our small shop tenants because in my opinion, they don't have the balance sheet, they don't have the cash on hand and we need to do a bit more for those folks.
Got it. That's really helpful, guys. I really appreciate the transparency. It's extremely helpful. Thanks, guys.
Next question comes from Craig McGinnis from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. I was just hoping to dig into maybe bankruptcies a bit. I'm curious what your exposure has been to what your exposure is to those tenants so far this year and maybe the expected impact to occupancy? Also, have all those tenants been taken to a cash accounting basis? Thanks.
Hey, Greg. I'll start with I'll start with the second part of your question. Anyone that's in bankruptcy, anyone in bankruptcy is on a cash basis and any AR that we have from them is fully reserved. Ray, maybe you want to chat about the tenants themselves?
Hi, Glenn. Yes, sure. Hi, this is Ray Edwards. Last week, Taylor Brands filed for bankruptcy. And in all honesty, I think from the list from Kimco of tenants that we felt were at risk and that would be filing during COVID other than maybe AMC, which restructured their debt.
We think that we've kind of hit the top of the major tenants of ours that we're concerned about. And I think the exposure, Glenn, you can correct me, for the tenants I filed was about like 2.5% of ABR, something like
that. Low, low,
about 2.3%. Modest.
Yes.
So, Yes. The only other point I would add, Ray, and I think you've made this point before is that the majority of tenants that have filed due to the pandemic have been more of a reorganization. They've been a debt for equity type of exchange. And there have been some store closures that come along with that, but they've been focusing on keeping their best performing stores. And luckily, thanks for our transformed portfolio, we haven't been impacted as significantly from those store closures.
Yes, that's correct. And for example, with GNC, which is actually a small tenant for us, but we had about 50 odd locations with them. They filed a motion and the motion to assume leases includes about 44 of our 50 odd leases with them. So we a lot of number of leases we think will be assumed by the tenants and operating on the other
side of their bankruptcy.
Okay, thanks. And then just a follow-up on leasing. Spreads were obviously quite healthy this quarter. And I'm just wondering how much of that was due to discussions that were kind of already in place ahead of COVID-nineteen issues And then kind of expectations on leasing volumes and spreads into the back half of the year
or even 2020 1? Yes, great question. Sure. This is Dave Jamieson. So in terms of our spread this quarter, the majority of those leases were pre COVID negotiated leases that were in process at the time prior to the pandemic hitting.
So obviously, it showed quite well. As it relates to a go forward basis, I've said consistently in the past, it's always dependent on the population on a quarter by quarter basis. So it can vary fairly dramatically, 1, by the number of deals you do and 2, by those deals that qualify as a comp spread. That said, our below market portfolio enables us to absorb a bit of a cushion if there is a slight decline and still get that positivity out of a new lease that is executed. So we do feel good and comfortable going forward that we still should have some momentum.
I'd also note that on the leasing side, the essential retailers, primarily grocers, off price, etcetera, are really looking to expand during this opportunity where they see new vacancy that might come to market with great real estate. They want to make sure that they capture those opportunities to expand their market share. So the demand side will be there. We've seen it already with our anchor occupancy obviously holding flat year over year, which is quite positive. And on the small shop side, it was referenced you referenced the bankruptcy and as bankruptcies and as those spaces do become available, it does give us that chance to upgrade into a more well capitalized retail tenant.
So that is could be another positive on a go forward.
Thanks, Dave.
Next question comes from Christy McElroy from Citi. Please go ahead.
Thanks guys. Good morning. Just Connor, you've been pretty vocal about national credit tenants needing to pay. I'm sure your approach to your tenants has evolved as the pandemic has evolved. What's your approach today in regard to that national tenant base that hasn't paid?
How successful has it been? Are you in litigation with any tenants today? Or do you expect to need to go that route at some point?
Hi, Christy. Yes, we have been, I would say, firm but fair with our national credit tenants. We continue to think that since the beginning of this that it's really their responsibility to pay so that we can use our balance sheet to go and help those small shops that are most in need. And I'm very pleased with the team performance of having all of our tenants that were deemed non essential that were in our top 100 have been put on deferral plans to help them in time of need. So it showcases a lot in terms of the partnership that we have with our retailers.
We're not in any litigation. We don't plan to be. We've worked through it. It's been very challenging times, very stressful times for all those involved. But we look at each tenant individually, each lease individually, and we try and come up with a mutually beneficial agreement that gives us the ability to potentially loosen up some lease restrictions, some potential for some redevelopment in the future.
And in terms of the deferral plans, I've been very pleased with what we've been able to achieve. And the lion's share of our big tenants have actually performed and have done quite well in this and have been paying their rent. And so it allows us now to really focus and help those small shop tenants in times of need.
Okay. And then just in terms of the sub dividend that you expect to pay later this year to satisfy taxable income, when you ultimately announce it, should we look at it as just that, a true up? Or do you expect to reset it at a point where you believe it will be a sustainable level into 2021?
Christy, it's a really good question and it's one that we have constant dialogue with our Board about. And so when we're ready to reinstate it, we'll make sure that the Board has communicated clearly of how we believe the dividend should be looked at. Obviously, we know the dividend is important to our investor base. We want to reinstate it at the appropriate time where we feel like we have visibility into the future cash flow projections and that it will be well covered so that it can be in a position to grow in the future.
The next question comes from Derek Johnston from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Hi, everyone. Good morning and thank you. So as I look at the sup on Page 33, I was wondering if you can give some color on the $20,000,000 delta between the $56,000,000 build and potentially uncollect and the $35,000,000 potentially uncollectible?
Let's see. So the $56,000,000 of uncollectible, that is the full reserve, both consolidated and pro rata share. And it includes both it includes both the amounts for anyone that's a cash basis tenant. I think I mentioned in my opening remarks about $22,500,000 of that reserve relates to tenants that are on a cash basis.
And then
the balance of it is the other tenants where we've done our full analysis on the reserves themselves. And we could give you some insight into how we calculated that reserve, if that would help you a little bit. And I'm going to actually let Kathleen Thayer kind of give you a little bit of insight into that.
Sure. Good morning. So, as Glenn mentioned, we assess all of our tenants from a cash basis perspective. But in light of the pandemic, we obviously needed to look further into our tenants. So we went actually on a lease by lease level and assessed each of our tenants for a risk perspective.
And this was done at various levels throughout the company all the way through their regional presidents as well as Dave Jamieson. And the assessment entailed looking at the industry the tenant was in, the location that the tenant was in, past performance in terms of payment, the operating status overall of the tenant and then just in general conversations we've been having with the tenant due to pandemic or perhaps even the lack thereof if they've been radio silent on us. And so with those risk assessments that allowed us to determine what an overall general reserve would be on our AR as well as our deferred receivable and our straight line receivable. And so those general reserves represented about 50% on the AR and deferred side of what we took for Q2 and about 67% on the straight line side for what we took in Q2.
Thank you for color on the process. Switching to development and has continued development at Boulevard and you did mention Dania Point Phase 23 in the opening comments. Have completion dates been pushed back here is the first part? And then secondly, given the pandemic, how are net effective rent discussions and development yields kind of being impacted versus pre COVID underwriting?
Sure. This is Dave Jamieson. So in terms of the Boulevard, as Connor mentioned in his prepared remarks, we did get the temporary CO for the ShopRite grocer and we anticipate them opening in the back half in the fall of this year. So that's going to be real positive with the balance of the retail tenants really scheduled in 'twenty one. On an IRR basis, if you have some delays in tenant openings, obviously, that additional time will have some nominal impact.
But when we look at the quality and the strength of these two projects, the Boulevard and Vania Point, long term value is exceptional and that's really how we look at it. These are projects that we will hold indefinitely and so there's no short term exit plan there. In terms of the Adania, the activity there is going quite well with 15 active projects, tenant project fit outs underway right now. And even for the few tenants that we've actually gotten back where we hadn't actually done or started the fit out work for them, there has been a number of retailers and other uses interested in backfilling that space. And we're at least with several of those locations already.
So again, long term, when you have a project of that size and scale sitting along I-ninety 5 with 240,000 cars a day driving past it, you have to think beyond the short term disruption here and really think about the quality of that real estate in the project into the future and it's going to be quite exceptional. So we feel very good about it.
Yes. Just to add on to that, the completion dates for both have not been pushed, because we have been able to actually get waivers for the Boulevard to continue to construct during the pandemic and Dania continue to construct during the pandemic. It's the rent commencement dates that Dave was referencing that will be pushed a little bit there and we anticipate it being a major contributor to 2021.
Thanks so much everyone.
The next question comes from Craig Schmidt from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Thank you. I mean, it sounds going forward that we might have a little more challenge from occupancy and the small shops and the anchors or the total portfolio. I'm wondering if you think that the small shop decline that you experienced this quarter will be replicated in the second half of the year? Or do you think that your efforts may help shore that up?
Great question, Craig. Our hope is that it won't continue to decline as it has. 135 basis points of the decline over this current year has been related to those bankruptcies that have occurred, but also past bankruptcies that are already previously filed like Pier 1, Charming Charlie's, the vacating address barns, etcetera. So that was a really big contributor in the first half that we started to see that slide. But our efforts have been extensive and far reaching in terms of retention in the small shops and we want to absolutely do everything we can possibly do to retain those tenants and really help them bridge to the other side because it truly is unfortunate that this short term disruption had such an impact on them.
But net net in the long term, if we can retain those tenants and help them thrive on the back end of this, we're all better off. I think a big thing to note as well is just the big difference between the Great Recession and now is the quality of our real estate. We had a much larger portfolio at the time spread across a much larger part of the country. And now with our really refined portfolio of high quality assets, about 400 in the top 20 markets, I think some of the resiliency that we're starting to see from those positions is a real positive, again, with the anchor side and holding flat year over year. So as we do get the vacancy back, the demand, we feel confident, will be there and we'll push to the other side.
Craig, we are encouraged by the small shops adoption of curbside pickup. I think that's one of the trends that we've seen really accelerate through the pandemic. And the nice part is, is we've rolled it out now nationwide and we've seen customers really gravitate towards it. And now that the small shops are in that program, I think that bodes well for them evolving their business model to give them a fighting chance to sort of make it through and hopefully come out the other side of this.
Great. And then just looking, obviously, the tenants have done the best are essential and value retailers versus sort of the full price discretionary retailers. As you work to fill those vacancies, are you going to continue to focus on essentials or will you open yourself up to more discretionary retailers?
Yes. Our focus has always been grocery anchored centers. And our internal target goal has always been to get a grocery store into every location that doesn't currently have one. So we'll continue to make that a priority. We have long extensive conversations with them about the opportunities for them to expand.
And for a lot of the essentials, the change in format is active. It was happening pre COVID, it's happening during COVID and will continue post COVID. So where you saw may not have existed in the past, it's now become a real opportunity because that to Conor's point, they're adapting their business models or they're finding new ways in which to attract customers, which has different needs than there were in the past. So that will always be a big focus of ours.
Great. Thank you.
Next question comes from Alexander Goldfarb from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. Good morning. And I hope everyone has power or at least generator. So two questions. First, Glenn, on the dividend, going back to Christy's question, how much of your taxable income this year is driven by actual cash versus it's driven by rent deferrals where you didn't restructure the leases, so they don't so effectively, the leases still count as taxable even though you're not necessarily getting the cash currently.
Just sort of curious what the delta is on that and how that drives your dividend decision?
Yes. I mean, the bulk of what we have is the cash that is collected. I mean, you see the amount of reserves. The reserves themselves are the portion that has not been collected thus far and those reserves are not taxable deductions until you would actually write them off. But the bulk of what we have is cash collection.
Okay. So basically, you're not essentially, your dividend decision is 1 based on cash. It's not like you're forced to pay something for rents that you haven't received that are deferred?
No, no. Again, we also you have to keep in mind, we also have a fair amount of tax strategies. I mean, the bigger question is we have these gains from Albertsons and we need to be able to shelter those gains, which we have a variety of tax strategies that we are going to employ to actually be able to shelter those gains in addition to the gains that come from the rest of the business.
Okay. And then the second question is going back to the curbside and the dine out or takeaway service that the restaurants have employed, Do you guys have a sense of how much your tenants were able to offset their traditional shopping or traditional restaurant business by implementing curbside and dine out. Just sort of curious, I mean, we've seen stats, put out a PowerPoint with a number of stats from various retailers and how much business the stores are picking up by online orders, people picking up in store. But on an economic basis, do you guys have any sense for the impact and how much the tenants have been able to recover through these 2 curbside and takeaway service? Sorry,
Alex. I just lost power. My bad. Just kidding. No, it's a great question.
And it is it really does vary tenant by tenant. So there's a lot of anecdotal information that we've been getting that curbside and outdoor seating has been extremely helpful in trying to generate sales when they've had to keep their indoor dining closed. So we do know that it's been beneficial there and we have gotten calls from retail tenants asking specifically to expand curbside stalls in certain locations for them and or if they would sponsor and contribute to adding new locations on the curbside. So we know from that information that it actually has been quite helpful to them in helping bridge to the other side. But it's at this point, we don't have any hard data to suggest how much it's offset loss from sales indoor inside a restaurant.
I'd also say actually in speaking to some restaurants, they've identified the best selling items on their menu or other ways in which they could actually improve profitability and how they can run their restaurant into the future versus how they historically had been doing it. And some had been seeing a real net benefit there because the staff required to say run a new model is a fraction of what it was to do a full sit down service. So some of them are actually taking this as the opportunity to sit back and say, hey, we can actually do a little bit better here if we adjust XYZ. And that might be their new format going forward. So we want to stay very close to them, but that's what we've been hearing.
Okay. Thank you.
Next question comes from Ki Bin Kim from Truist. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Good morning. I just wanted to go back to your comments about possibly investing or lending into your tenants using some 3rd party capital. Can you just provide some more details behind it? I wasn't sure if you're referring to select cases within your portfolio that NSF might need it?
Or were you thinking kind of bigger picture, things like what Authentic Brands has done as you're investing into a brand or a chain?
Sure Ki Bin. I'm happy to jump into that one. So there's obviously 2 different programs. And what I was referring to is on the investment side of looking to help secure real estate solutions for these retailers. That's obviously different than the TAP program and other ways that we've helped to bridge the gap for these retailers through the pandemic.
What we've done for the history of our Plus business for several decades is invest in retailers that are real estate rich. And there's obviously a variety of ways to do that. The Albertsons investment being the most notable, but over the years we've done a variety of investments, whether it be sale leaseback opportunities, other forms of financing with the real estate as collateral. And that's really what we're looking for in terms of future investment categories. With the authentic brands, the Simon, Brookfield, I think they're probably looking at it a little
bit of a different way.
I don't know exactly the way that they structure their deals, but we're going to make sure that the investments that we make are very much on the offensive where we are doing it in a way that we are able to control a significant amount of retail or real estate, I should say, and not necessarily doing it in a way to preserve cash flow for those retailers, but that obviously would be an added bonus to that situation. But we have a variety of conversations, as you'd imagine, with our 3,500 plus retailers in our portfolio, many of which own real estate that they're looking at ways to explore enhancing their liquidity through utilization of that real estate.
Okay. Thanks. And do you have any sense for your small shop tenants what the occupancy cost ratios look like and for the rent they're paying? I'm just trying to get a sense of when they don't pay rent. Like how much does that actually help them in terms of their overall kind of cost structure?
So again, it's different on use type of operation, how they've set themselves up, where their primary drivers of revenues are. But rent and labor, labor is actually a very big cost component to the restaurants that they have to be mindful of. So when they've had to close and then they've had to look to restaff, there's a big startup cost that you have to be mindful of. And in certain areas as well like California where there's been the openings and the reclosings, you've had to revamp your supply chain to get it fully staffed and then have this shutdown again put pressures on them as well in the short term from a cash flow standpoint. So those are the biggest components for the restaurant side.
Okay. Thank you.
Next question comes from Wes Garwoody from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, everyone. Just wondering with COVID here for another quarter, it looks like it's not going away anytime soon. Are you looking to change the scope of additional phases of your mixed use projects? And could COVID actually accelerate some of your projects? I remember you had a few that had some townhome capabilities.
It's a great question. I hope it's only a quarter that we have left with COVID. I think that would be a good end result, but we're anticipating it might be a little bit longer than that. But in terms of our phasing, yes, from the very beginning of our Signature Series, we always wanted to ensure we have off ramps. So opportunities and where we can phase the projects, dependent on demand, dependent on market cycles and conditions, so we can accelerate and or decelerate as needed.
No different now on a go forward basis. Right now, at our Pentagon where we have the Whitmer, which is a fully stabilized multifamily project, We're currently doing underground utility work to prep the opportunity for the second tower at that project, which is where the national landing Amazon headquarters is directly across the street. There we see great opportunities into the future with Amazon. I think having over 1,000 hires already and the demand drivers being there. But that said, we're just doing the underground utility work in preparation to move forward, but that's still a decision that we have to make into the future and we'll continue to evaluate as the market evolves.
And that's how we'll always continue these large scale projects.
And Wes, this is Ross. I mean, the only thing I would add to that is where you might see an acceleration and we have seen an acceleration is our efforts on the entitlement side. So while we're not necessarily going to activate or green light additional projects in the midst of the pandemic, we have seen historically during times of disruption where the cooperation with the municipalities and the local jurisdictions is actually enhanced during these challenging times. So we're full speed ahead on continuing to hit our goals of continuing to increase the amount of residential units and other uses for these projects going forward.
Okay, got it. And then turning
to the existing tenant base, do you have a timeframe where you think you resolve all these tenants that you're reserving for on a cash basis? Is there a bit moratoriums against you kicking some of them out? Are you in active conversations with most of them? And I guess when you look at these tenants, are most of them open or are they in that still not open bucket?
So we're always talking to our tenants, our 7,900 plus tenants in our portfolio. Our operating teams are on the phones on a daily basis, talking to as many as they possibly can. And our real focus right now is getting to the table those that have been somewhat quiet, the small shops that have not yet responded to some form of deferment plan. So we'll continue our efforts there. That said, in terms of them being open, there are some that are open and probably some limited capacity in how they're operating and running their business.
And they're focused on getting their business up and running. But it's something that we'll continue to hammer on and really that's, I would say, our priority 1, 2 and 3 right now is to get that done.
Got it. Thank you.
Next question comes from Caitlin Burrows from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. I was wondering if we could just maybe talk a little bit on leasing. The earnings release mentioned that in the second quarter there were 52 new leases and 180 renewals and options. So I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit of the cadence of that leasing and how the conversations now are comparing versus a year ago in terms of, I don't know, getting closer to normal.
Sure. Yes. So, yes, 52 new leases, 10 of which were anchor deals. Again, the majority of those were in negotiation prior to COVID. And so it was bringing those to the finish line and getting them resolved.
Again, on the renewal on the option side, I think it's a good testament to the quality of the real estate and obviously the spreads were associated with that. I mean those were opportunities where tenants had the chance to punch out or look for some other concession or consideration on rent. But clearly, it was the appropriate rent and the right center for them to stay in, and we worked hard with each of those tenants to ensure that we retain them. So right now, I mentioned earlier that there is a big demand and a big push on the essential retailers looking to expand into space and they're constantly changing their format. So that has continued throughout the pandemic.
We've also seen other operators, even in some distressed categories such as fitness. Now the lower priced providers, the cost sensitive operators actually look at space too because they see an opportunity to grab market share post pandemic. So some of the mid guys have had pressures, 24 hour filed bankruptcy. So some of these other retail categories are seeing that area. So we expect those conversations to continue and we want to stay very, very close to those.
And even if they aren't expanding today, but they're well capitalized and we'll have a real plan into the future. We want to make sure we're close to them as well.
I guess also as you were saying that some of those leases that were completed in the Q2 were already in conversation like pre COVID, that I guess would suggest that then there was a dip in conversation after that. Have you to what extent have you seen those conversations increase again? I know you kind of just talked about it, but I guess with that angle, anything else to add?
I wouldn't say there's been a dip necessarily. It's just the timing of getting the deals executed and the negotiation that ensues with any given tenant. We hosted a virtual deal making call in June with as a full day of 30 plus retailers and having conversations across the country, all are looking for opportunities to expand. So it's just been ongoing.
And the other thing I'd add is at a time like this, we really focus essential And then as Dave said, it's pretty exciting to see the essential retailers. And we've seen this before in past dislocations where retailers that are thriving in a time of disruption, they look to upgrade their real estate. They look to upgrade their own store locations. And so it's nice to be in a position where the portfolio has been transformed and we're seeing increased demand because retailers are trying to upgrade their locations.
Got it. And then just maybe quickly, for the 2Q that was 70% collected on the rent side and 18% deferrals. Any other you can give for that remaining 12% if there's been like the pace of progress or the outlook there?
Yes, we were I think I mentioned it a little bit on the previous question from the last caller is that's our focus is to get them all to the table to get them resolved on those discussions. So that's going to be an ongoing effort. That's related to some of the smaller shop retailers that have been silent through this process and wanting to make sure that we work out a plan collectively that works both for them and for us. So we provide that bridge to get them to the other side. So that's a top priority in terms of our efforts on the operating side.
Okay. Thanks.
Next question comes from Mike Mueller from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Hey, Glenn, how did the green bond pricing compare to what you could have done with the traditional bond?
It's a great question. I would say a couple of things about the bond itself. Spreads have widened out so much and part of the objective of issuing this bond was to try and help reset our entire bond complex, which is what happened. I would tell you that being one of the first green bonds to be done in months was actually very helpful. And what we saw was a lot of demand.
So at peak, on a $300,000,000 announced deal, we had $1,800,000,000 of orders. And that gave us a chance to again, the more volume and the larger size book you have gives you the chance to really reduce your pricing, which is what we did. It's very hard to pinpoint how many basis points it saved relative to what a regular bond would have done. But I would tell you that there were at least a dozen funds that had green initiatives that were in this deal. So I would say it definitely had some benefit to it for sure.
But it's very hard to pinpoint an exact number, but it definitely helped. And the nice part is the bonds have really traded very well and the whole bond comps, our whole bond complex has really come back to not quite as low as it was, but to much better levels. I mean, the bonds we issued 4 weeks ago were at 2.10 over, they're trading today in the 170s. So the objective really was to kind of reset the curve and that's been accomplished, so we feel good about that. Got it, okay.
And then,
Board how is the Board thinking about that? Is the goal going to be to set it as low as possible just to maximize as much retained cash flow? Is that going to be the bias for
it? Yes. I mean, I think what we've talked about is to have a dividend that would be really no more than 80% of FAD. And if it can be lower, fine. But that's kind of the target and that's what we've talked about for a long time.
So I think as we reset it, that's probably the level that we'll look towards.
Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Next question comes from florist Van Dijkstraomprom from Compass Point. Please go ahead.
I thought, Conor, the comment you mentioned you had about the $20,000,000 of PPP estimated funds for your small shop tenants was really interesting. It shows you also that I think that you're probably perhaps closer to tenants who have been working more closely with them than some others. Remind me again, most of your small shop tenants have security deposits. I don't believe your national tenants tend to have security deposits. Have you applied any deposits for any of the cash rent collection?
And how do you think about that as the PPP funds are used up? How would you look at that relative to the deposits that you have on for your small shop tenants? And how do you have them replenish their deposits with you going forward?
It's Glenn. I mean, I'll tell you, we have not really applied a lot of those security deposits against their rent yet. We're trying to still work through what we've done with deferrals. So we have left that there. We will use them if they go to bankruptcy or if they just leave altogether, we'll offset it.
But even in most cases, the security deposits are not the preponderance of the impound of the lease, right? In many cases, you're looking at 1 to 3 months of security deposits. So it's not a significant amount that you would really be applying against the entire lease.
Fair enough. And Connor, maybe I mean the other thing you mentioned you want to focus more of your time going forward on your small shop tenants. Presumably, this is where you're going to see some level of abatements going forward as well. How do you how flexible will you be with your tenants? And is that really dependent on how you view them, how important you view them for each center?
Or do you have any sort of big picture thinking beyond that?
Yes. No, it's a good question, Floris. And we work as a team to go through each tenant individually lease by lease because it really depends on the local spot that they're in, the rent versus market, the business that they have pre COVID, the type of use to make sure that we have the best merchandising mix to drive as much traffic at all points a day to the shopping center. And there's no question that small shops are always impacted the most in these types of dislocations. And so we're going to have to do more.
There's no question about it. And that's why we've been repeatedly saying that that's where our focus is now. Now that we've got the top 100 really nailed down, we feel like we can really take our effort, talk to them on a daily basis, making sure we understand what they're facing and give them the best opportunity to make it to the other side. So it's been an effort that the whole team has combined to really push. Obviously, our TAP program goes a long way with tenant tracking to understand what they're facing and how do we navigate the government programs that are available and then what can we do as a landlord to also help them.
So it's not like sort of a silver bullet out there. We just sort of take all the efforts that we have and try and do everything we can to retain as much as possible and help them to the other side.
Great. And last question for me, I guess, in terms of this, the fund opportunity, would you consider maybe doing some sale leasebacks for some of the tenant owned real estate that potentially gets more credit risk on your book as well? Or would you look at specific assets where you really love the real estate and you're willing to own that real estate even with a credit quality that might not be as pristine as maybe it was a couple of years ago?
Yes. No, it's certainly a combination of factors that we evaluate when making those investment decisions. At the end of the day, we've always been all about the value and the basis of the real estate and the dirt. So we're obviously looking at credit quality. We're looking at location.
We're looking at the pricing. We're looking at the yield. And when you factor all those together, we're trying to make investment decisions that have long term value creation opportunities. So there may be some opportunities with credits that were once a bit more pristine than they are today in this environment, but that doesn't mean that some of the real estate in the control is not A plus stuff. So we're very much looking at all those factors and we think that we'll have some things to talk about in the coming months quarters.
Thanks Ross.
Next question comes from Linda Tsai from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hi, thanks. On
Page 11 of your NOI disclosure, it shows reimbursement income increasing in the quarter and then also on a year to date basis. What's driving
that?
Hello?
Hi, sorry. Sorry, can you repeat that, Linda?
Okay. Sorry. So on Page 11 of your NOI disclosure, reimbursement income increased in the quarter and then also on a year to date basis, what's driving
that?
Have to get into the detail a little bit. But again, it really is just it's the recovery amounts that we have collected relative to the billings that we put out during the quarter. I don't think there's anything there's nothing major in it, nothing really significant that I would point you to. I think it's more normal timing than anything else.
Got it. And then, one of your peers talked about occupancy hitting the high 80s in the first half of twenty twenty one. Any color you could provide on this metric headed into next year?
I think for us, it will right now, it's let's observe and see how the balance of this year plays out with the pandemic and the disruption that it could have on the retailers. So I would say it's a little too early to tell. I mean, obviously, our goal is to maximize retention and increase occupancy as best we can. So we continue to put forth all of our efforts to do that. But I'd say right now, we're trying to stay focused on the present and while looking towards the future.
Thanks. Just the last one. Are there certain retail categories you see as generally having a wider swath of better capitalized tenants? Or does it just boil down to having winners and losers in any given category?
Yes, I mean, there's always winners and losers. There's and those change over time. Do they have the right format and the right supply chain and the right vision for the future? Are they led by good merchants How are they determined to deploy that capital for growth mode? How are they determined to deploy that capital for growth mode?
How are they using omni channel? So there's numerous factors. I think you can probably go through every category and see the winners and losers. And it's really it's broken down between those that are well capitalized with a strong vision versus those that are undercapitalized or overextended with debt and haven't made the necessary investments to evolve with the future and the change.
And Linda, just to add on your earlier question on the recovery, CapEx recoveries is what's driving that.
Thanks.
Next question comes from Vince Tibone from Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. You mentioned potentially providing rescue capital to illiquid private real estate owners either on the equity or debt side, how are you thinking about the required returns on any new investments given where your stock is trading today? And also how much capital could you see allocating as a lender? Yes. I mean the hurdles are definitely higher.
There's no question about it. But we are seeing opportunities that are starting to hit those hurdles. So by way of example, there are owners out there that have signed leases on redevelopment opportunities pre COVID at very attractive yields that traditionally would have provided regular traditional lenders would have provided the capital there, just not there. So when you look at the opportunity, whether it be in a preferred equity position or a mezz position at double digit yields on very high quality real estate, we would have never imagined that we would be able to participate in that even 6 months ago. And you couple on top of that, what we're really focused on is, in many cases, having the opportunity to get a right of first refusal on those assets in the event that the asset is sold.
So we do think that there is some very good short term opportunities to get yield that is attractive, but also longer term when things normalize the ability to potentially control that real estate down the road. I would tell you that the capital plan and how much we would be willing to invest in that is very dependent on a variety of factors. So we watch our balance sheet very closely. Obviously, the Albertsons investment is one that provides us some flexibility with capital coming down the road that could be utilized as well as dependent upon the ultimate structure that we put forth to invest in these types of opportunities would provide us some additional powder with outside investors. So I can't pinpoint an exact amount, I can tell you that the pipeline is starting to form and we want to make sure that we're there with the capital available to do so at the appropriate time.
Thanks. That's helpful color. So switching gears just for a second, how long do you think operating expenses can stay at these lower levels? I mean, when do you expect them to kind of rebound and come to what they've been historically?
It's an interesting question. I think when we look at the belt tightening that we've done across the portfolio and what we've been able to do in terms of efficiencies, it's our job to continue to look long and hard about how do we do more with less, how do we belt tighten for the long term. And so I think the operating expenses is one that we continue to monitor to see how we become more efficient. We've invested heavily in technology. We've invested heavily to make sure that the efficiencies gained are things that we can continue on past the pandemic.
So it's not just a short term pop. So it's one that we've been monitoring closely. And I think as a large national owner, we get benefits of scale there because the investments we make, we can deploy and really see significant efficiencies across the whole portfolio.
Thank you.
Next question comes from Chris Lucas from Capital One Securities. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, everybody. I'm sorry the call is so long, but I did have a couple of quick questions for you.
You guys provided great detail in terms of a number of various categories as it relates to rent collection. I guess the one category breakdown I was surprised we didn't see was national versus regional versus local tenants. Is there much variation in that or was it fairly consistent?
It really is dependent, Chris, on the category within that national, regional or local. Obviously, there's essential retailers in each of those. There's non essentials in each of those categories. Clearly, the essentials have been gaining market share, have been dominant in this period of time where it's likely they have a lack of a competitive set. And so it's interesting because never before have we been in an environment where a government picks winners and losers.
Somebody said the COVID-nineteen pandemic is extremely smart. They can tell the difference between a Target and a T. J. Maxx because essential versus non essential has been varied widely between what municipalities deem essential. So we're trying to work with everyone as best we can, recognizing that some have been put at a disadvantage, and we're doing our best to make sure those make it to the other side.
Okay, great. Thank you. And then as it relates sort of the shop space recovery, the great financial crisis really the recovery from that was driven by national kind of primarily on the shop space and the mom and pops I think were very late to the sort of recovery process. Do you see that same sort of scenario playing out as we get to the other side here? Or do you think that there's a much more balanced outcome coming from the different types of size tenants?
I can start with that a little bit. It is interesting. There's a major difference between this pandemic and what happened in the great financial crisis. And the difference is how the consumer is being handled by the government. The consumers in although the unemployment is still at very high level, the consumer is being bridged here.
You had unemployment insurance plus $600 You had all these PPP loans, which are really going to be grants. So the consumer is great financial recession, it was all about saving banks and other financial system, and the consumer was really left to fend for themselves. So I think you have a better shot of those again, a lot of these tenants, even the small subs, had good solid businesses until they were forced to close. So I think that as reopenings happen and if you get to a vaccine and things come back to normal, you do have a consumer that has a fair amount of money in their pocket. There's 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars that are sitting as additional deposits today.
So I think you have a better shot at it.
Yes. The other thing, Chris, is it will really depend on the path of the virus. As you've seen certain hotspots pop up and closures happening to come back again, the small shops are the ones that are most impacted by a rollback of openings. And so depending on the path of the buyers going forward, clearly will depend we'll see how those small shops
are able to be viable.
Okay, great. Thank you. That's all I had this morning.
Next question comes from Tami Fick from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. You mentioned that 6.4% of tenants are now being accounted for on a cash basis. I guess, do you have a sense for what percent of those
tenants paid Q2 rents? And what percent of those
quarter? Do you think the 6.4% is fairly assessing the risk of the tenant base? Thank you.
Hey, Tammy. 20 percent of our tenants paid on our 2Q that were cash basis. That number has jumped up to 50% for July.
Great. And do you think that additional tenants will get added to the cash basis bucket as we go through the Q3? Or do you think that 6.4% is really assessing the risk of the tenant base at this point?
Again, Tammy, it's going to really depend on what happens. So if any further tenants go into bankruptcy, they're going to wind up on a cash basis. So we're going to have to watch it pretty closely for what's happening. It really it's really just going to depend on how we assess collectibility at each tenant that we go through each period.
It will also depend on the course of the virus. I mean, that's obviously outside of our control. And we've been mindful that as soon as we feel like we have a good handle on our projections, then we can disclose those. But as things continue to change daily, we've just been taking a day at a time.
Okay, great. Thank you.
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