Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Oct 19, 2020

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Lennox International Third Quarter Conference Call. At the request of your host, all lines are currently in a listen only mode. There will be a question and answer session at the end of the presentation. You may enter the As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Steve Harrison, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thank you for joining us for this review of Lennox International's financial performance for the Q3 of 2020. I'm here today with Chairman and CEO, Todd Bluedorn and CFO, Joe Reitmeier. Todd will review key points for the quarter and the outlook, and Joe will take you through the company's financial performance and guidance. To give everyone time to ask questions during the Q and A, have included the necessary reconciliation of the non GAAP financial measures that will be discussed to GAAP measures. All comparisons mentioned today are against the prior year period. You can find a direct link to the webcast of today's conference call on our website atwww.lennoxinternational.com. The webcast will be archived on the site and available for replay. I would like to remind everyone that in the course of this call, to give you a better understanding of our operations, we will be making certain forward looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. For information concerning these risks and uncertainties, see Lennox International's publicly available filings with the SEC. The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Before I turn the call over to Todd, I would like to announce the date of our Annual Investment Community Meeting. The event will be held the morning of Wednesday, December 16. The format will be virtual this year. Please mark your calendars, invitations and more details will follow. Now let me turn the call over to Chairman and CEO, Todd Bluedorn. Thanks, Steve. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Let me start with a quick overview on the Q3 that continues to be impacted by COVID-nineteen pandemic and then discuss our updated 2020 outlook. For the year, we are raising guidance for revenue, earnings and free cash flow, driven by the continued strength in our residential business. Overall for the company in the 3rd quarter, revenue was up 2% to $1,060,000,000 a 3rd quarter record. GAAP operating income was up 7% to a 3rd quarter record of $167,000,000 GAAP EPS in continuing operations was up 16% to a new high for any quarter of $3.42 Total adjusted segment profit was a 3rd quarter record of 177,000,000 dollars up 1% from the prior year quarter that included $16,000,000 of insurance benefit. From an operational perspective, excluding the insurance benefit, total adjusted segment profit was up 11%. Total adjusted segment margin for the 3rd quarter was 16.7% compared to 17% in the prior year quarter. From an operational perspective, excluding the insurance benefit in the 3rd quarter last year, total adjusted segment margin was up 130 basis points. Adjusted EPS and continuing operations was up 6% to $3.53 a 3rd quarter record. On our Residential segment in the 3rd quarter, revenue was up 13% to a new high for any quarter of $722,000,000 Revenue from replacement business was up low double digits. Revenue from new construction was up mid teens. Residential segment profit set a new record excuse me, set a new 3rd quarter record at $153,000,000 up 21%. Segment margin expanded 140 basis points to a 3rd quarter record of 21.2%. On an operational basis, excluding the insurance benefit in the prior year quarter, segment profit rose 38% and segment margin expanded 3.90 basis points. Our residential business benefited from continued strong market conditions and favorable hot weather in July August. Consumers continue to replace units more than repair with equipment growth rate running multiples ahead of the parts growth rate. September turned significantly cooler, which has continued to date in October, as contractors look toward winter and furnace season. Strength in the residential market continues and the team is executing well as it continues to take advantage of market opportunities and gain share. Turning to our commercial facing businesses. They continue to be more heavily impacted from the pandemic than residential as expected. In the Commercial Business segment, revenue and profit were down 18%. Segment margin expanded 10 basis points to 18.7%. National comp equipment revenue was down nearly 30% and regional and local revenue was down mid teens. Breaking down revenue another way, replacement was down high teens and new construction was down high 20s. On the service side, Lennox National Account Service revenue was down low double digits. VRF revenue was down low double digits. While overall commercial equipment revenue was down 20% in the 3rd quarter, we continue to see signs of relative improvement in the business with commercial equipment backlog currently down mid teens year over year and order rates reflecting gradual improvement as well. Our commercial team continues to win new business and position for future growth. Commercial won 11 new national account customers in the 3rd quarter, bringing the year to date total to 26. In addition, our commercial group has launched an initiative called Building Better Air that is focused on improving indoor air quality commercial spaces. This initiative combines our innovative product line and industry leading building services provide comprehensive IAQ solutions to commercial customers. We're helping business and building owners evaluate their HVAC systems, recommend a comprehensive indoor air quality solution tailored to the building and identify a maintenance plan to ensure ongoing indoor air quality effectiveness. Turning to our Refrigeration business segment. Revenue was down 14% at constant currency. North America was down high teens and Europe was down high single digits. Segment profit was down 34% and segment margin contracted 350 basis points to 10.4%. Refrigeration profitability was impacted by negative mix with Europe down less than the U. S. In the quarter as well as factory inefficiencies due to COVID-nineteen. As in the commercial business, we are seeing signs in Refrigeration of relative year over year improvement from the Q3, with backlog up and order rates reflecting strong improvement. A quick update on SG and A cost savings this year. Earlier this year, we enacted 100 and $15,000,000 SG and A Savings Program. Due to the improved performance of our end markets and our strong operational performance, we have restored compensation and volume related SG and A costs. Several examples of what I'm talking about are reinstituting pay from a temporary salary reduction, increased sales commissions and paying performance based compensation. We're now planning for $65,000,000 of SG and A savings this year, with 45% coming from discretionary spending, 40% from headcount reduction and the remaining 15% from paying incentives that return in 2021. To wrap up with our updated guidance on 2020, we are raising revenue, adjusted EPS and free cash flow. Revenue is now expected to be down 5% to 9% for the full year. Adjusted EPS from continuing operations is now expected to be $9.05 to $9.65 And free cash flow is expected to be approximately $425,000,000 We continue to face highly uncertain economic conditions in the Q4 and remain cautious on the potential impact from the pandemic heading into the winter season. While Lennox has a seasoned team, experienced in managing through downturns, while continuing to invest and advance the company for the future, We look forward to closing 2020 strong with momentum in 2021. Now over to Joe. Thank you, Todd, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide some additional comments and financial details on our business segments for the quarter, starting with Residential Heating and Cooling. In the 3rd quarter, revenue from Residential Heating and Cooling was a record $722,000,000 up 13%. Volume was up 11% and price and mix combined was up 2% and foreign exchange was neutral to revenue. Residential profit was a 3rd quarter record $3,000,000 up 21% as reported over the prior year quarter that included $16,000,000 of insurance benefit. Segment margin was a 3rd quarter record 21.2 percent, which was up 140 basis points as reported over the prior year quarter with the insurance benefit. Segment profit was primarily impacted by higher volume, favorable price, lower material and other product costs, higher factory productivity and lower distribution and freight costs. Partial offsets included the year over year difference in insurance benefit, higher selling and incentive expenses and tariffs. Turning to our commercial heating and cooling business. Commercial revenue was $208,000,000 down 18%. Volume was down 16%, Price and mix combined was down 2% and price flat and mix down. Foreign exchange was neutral to revenue. Commercial segment profit was $39,000,000 down 18%. Segment margin ticked up 10 basis points to 18.7%. Segment profit was primarily impacted by lower volume, driven by the COVID-nineteen pandemic and unfavorable mix. Partial offsets included lower material costs, higher factory productivity, lower distribution costs and lower SG and A expense. In Refrigeration, 3rd quarter revenue was $125,000,000 down 12%. Volume was down 16%. Price and mix combined was up 2% and foreign exchange had a favorable 2% impact on revenue. Refrigeration segment profit was $13,000,000 down 34%. Segment margin was 10.4%, down 3.50 basis points. Segment profit was primarily impacted by lower volume and lower factory efficiency due to the COVID-nineteen pandemic and unfavorable mix. Partial offsets included favorable price, lower material costs, lower SG and A expense and favorable foreign exchange. Regarding special items in the Q3, the company had net after tax charges totaling $4,400,000 that included a $3,600,000 loss from natural disasters, net of insurance recoveries related to an August 2020 high wind damage at the company's manufacturing facility in Iowa. Dollars 2,200,000 for personal protective equipment and facility deep cleaning expenses incurred due to the COVID-nineteen pandemic, a net charge of $1,400,000 for various other items, and a benefit of $2,800,000 for excess tax benefits from share based compensation. Corporate expenses were $28,000,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $18,000,000 in the prior year quarter as the company's financial results in the 3rd quarter trigger incentive compensation true ups for performance year to date. Overall, SG and A was $152,000,000 up 6% from the prior year quarter. And for the 1st 9 months, SG and A is down 7%. In the Q3, the company generated $440,000,000 of cash from operations compared to $236,000,000 in the prior year quarter. Capital expenditures were $12,000,000 compared to approximately $25,000,000 in the prior quarter and free cash flow was $428,000,000 in the quarter compared to $211,000,000 in the prior year quarter. The company paid approximately $30,000,000 in dividends in the quarter. Total debt was $1,010,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter and we ended the quarter with a debt to EBITDA ratio of 1.8. Cash, cash equivalents and short term investments were $59,000,000 at the end of September. Now before I turn it over to Q and A, I'll review our current market assumptions and guidance points for 2020. For the industry overall, we now expect North American Residential HVAC shipments to be roughly flat this year. We now expect both commercial unitary shipments and refrigeration shipments to be down approximately 20% for the industry this year. Looking at the company's performance year to date and outlook for the Q4, we are raising our 2020 revenue guidance from a decline of 10% to 15% to a decline of 5% to 9% for the year. We are raising our guidance for GAAP EPS from continuing operations from a range of $7.31 to $8.11 to a new range of $8.35 to $8.95 for the year. We are raising our guidance for adjusted EPS from continuing operations from a range of $7.90 to $8.70 to a new range of $9.05 to $9.65 for the year. Looking at the various puts and takes in our financial guidance 2020 that we are updating, commodities are now expected to be a $25,000,000 benefit for the year compared to prior guidance of a $20,000,000 benefit. We now expect a $25,000,000 benefit from sourcing and engineering led cost reductions compared to prior guidance of a $20,000,000 benefit. Residential mix is expected to be a headwind of approximately $10,000,000 for the full year as new construction has outperformed replacement business year to date. Earlier expectations were for new construction to slow and mix to be flat. We now expect corporate expense of approximately $90,000,000 compared to prior guidance of $75,000,000 primarily due to higher compensation expense related to the company's performance. We now expect interest and pension expense of approximately $35,000,000 compared to prior guidance of $40,000,000 We now expect an effective tax rate for the full year on an adjusted basis of 19% to 20% compared to the prior range of 21% to 22% due to the timing of certain tax benefits this year. And for 2021, we expect the effective tax rate to be back in the 21% to 22% range. Capital expenditures are now expected to be $100,000,000 for this year from prior guidance of $120,000,000 on the timing of some spending between 2020 2021. And our guidance for free cash flow is now approximately $425,000,000 from the prior guidance of $340,000,000 for the year. For our guidance points that are remaining the same, price is still expected to be a $25,000,000 benefit for the year. Residential factory productivity is still expected to be a $10,000,000 headwind. We still expect tariffs to be neutral and we continue to expect freight to be a $10,000,000 benefit. The weighted average diluted share count for the full year is still expected to be between 38,000,000 to 39,000,000 shares and our stock repurchase plans remain on hold after repurchasing $100,000,000 of stock in the Q1 for the $400,000,000 that was planned going into the year. Now with that, let's go to Q and A. And first, we go to the line of Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Good morning, Julian. Hey, maybe just a first question on the top line. The guidance at the midpoint and even the high end implies sort of step down in Q4 sequentially that's much worse than normal. Is that just because of the uncertainty in the environment? Or is there anything sort of specific that you're calling out? And maybe related to that, just wondered on your latest assessments of the health of the resi market entering next year. I heard you say this year you're looking at a flattish market now. Any thoughts on sort of fundamentals into next year? Yes. On the first point, it's a combination of both the uncertainty in the Q4, but also we had just such a strong Q3. If you're looking at it sequentially year over year, I mean, it's a record Q3 for us. Our residential revenue is up 13% driven by hot weather. So that helped. And so I think that's part of it. In terms of looking into 2021 on markets, we continue to remain bullish on the residential markets. There's lots of moving pieces. But we called we're calling for the market to be flat this year. And I think that's an important perspective to remember. I understand that some folks are wondering, did demand get pulled in, that something from 2021 get pulled into the strong Q3. Two points I'd make. One is, overall, the market is going to be flat year over year in the middle of a pandemic. 2nd is just the behavior of a residential homeowner. Even when there's not a pandemic, no one wants anyone into their house to replace the unit unless they have to. When there's a catastrophic failure, they replace the unit. And especially in a pandemic, no one wants people coming into their houses and spending 2 or 3 days replacing units. So these are being replaced when they break. And they're not being repaired like they were during the financial crisis, but there has to be approximate cost for them coming in. And that's not pulling forward demand. No one's sort of saying, let's replace it now rather than next summer. They're replacing it now when it breaks and they have no choice. And so we remain confident as we've talked before that we think there is another couple of years of this mid single digit growth and for it to be flat in the middle of a pandemic shows the resiliency of this market. And so we remain confident in the resi market for 2021. And then my second question just on the margin outlook. Or or come back into the P and L next year? And what are you thinking for sort of residential operating leverage as you look out now that the revenue line has returned to growth again? I think the way I think about it is, our new guide on the SG and A takeout is 65,000,000 dollars And then when you look at that $65,000,000 only 15% of it now is paying incentives because so much came back into the P and L this year. So the 15% that's paying incentives that will bounce back next year. So that's whatever the math is $7,000,000 $7,500,000 The balance of it, the 45% that's discretionary and 40% that's headcount, we control those. And it depends on how the market is performing and the investments that we want to make in the business. But our sort of goal of having 30% incremental margins is plus or minus what our target will be for next year. So previously, our guide was $115,000,000 with a lot more tied to paying incentives. I think that risk is now off the table for next year in terms of it bouncing back on us in a meaningful way. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Ryan Merkel with William Blair. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning, Ryan. First off, can you just dive hey, good morning. Can you just dive into some of the commercial end market performance to give us a little more detail? I think we called it up somewhat out on the call. We've seen national accounts down more than our local and regional business. And that's what we would have expected, just the way the market behaves that the planned replacement gets deferred as people sort through things. And so our planned replacement was down mid-20s versus a year ago. But in Q2, it was down over 40%. So the trend line on planned replacement is going in the right direction. And when we look at our order and backlog, the plan replacement, as many companies are getting more comfortable in the current environment, some of our large customers are people like Home Depot, Lowe's, Best Buy are doing pretty well, are getting more comfortable spending. Emergency replacement was down 10% -ish in the quarter after being down 35% in the 2nd quarter. So again, heading the right direction. And then new construction is the one that goes the other way, because new construction things that were in flight continue to built, but that new business starts to go down and we saw that down near 30% in Q3 after only being down mid teens in the Q2. And then as we mentioned on the call, the order excuse me, the backlog is down mid teens. And so the backlog is heading the right direction. But when we think about the full year, we still think the market is going to be down 20%. The one silver lining on all that is the comp gets a lot easier next year. So when we think about 2021, sort of at least the way the world looks now, we would expect that the commercial market commercial unitary market would be up after such a hard hit 2020. And when you look back on history of the commercial unitary market, whether it's the nineeleven downturn or the financial crisis downturn goes down hard, comes back quickly. Okay. That's helpful. And then secondly, you mentioned commercial IAQ initiatives. Can you just talk about how big that business is today? And then what is your outlook for the coming quarters? Yes. I mean, we tend not to quantify the market. And again, I think you heard in the way I talked about it, we think about it as a facilitator to win the equipment business. And our Build Better Air initiative is leveraging off our historic capabilities in indoor air quality and our relationships with the end building owner. And we're an industry leader in indoor air quality in both residential and commercial markets. As we talked about indoor air quality is air purification like filters and UV lights, ventilation and circulation and humidity control. Our residential pure air equipment is the best in the industry as noted by Consumer Reports. And then we talked about building better air and our advantages and our opportunities there. Great. Thanks, Todd. Our next question is from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning guys. Hey Jeff, I just want to point out before you ask your question that so many things changing in 2020. I personally think we comfort that the Pittsburgh Cleveland remains consistent over the decade. I knew that was coming. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. Can you just talk about your distribution based business versus direct sales in the quarter? And then just talk about how you think inventories are in your channel and that independent? And maybe speak to how the channel is thinking about furnace distribution build versus maybe how they managed the cooling side? The performance of the businesses were relatively consistent. They were both up plus or minus the 13%. So there wasn't one that outperformed the other. And I read your note and I thought you raised valid questions around the AHRI numbers versus the Hardy numbers, one being sell out, one being sell in. And we take great comfort that our Lennox business performed very similar to our Allied business, I. E, the sell through or sell out of our Lennox business directly to dealers was up the 13%, 14%, whatever the exact number was that and so that's a good sign for our Lennox business. Our Allied business also did well. I think the direct question answer your inventories are low right now, which is normal coming out of such a hot summer. And then what happens is, there's a recency bias of short memories or however you want to phrase it of dealers. And so they had trouble getting cooling product in the summer, which many didn't because our competitors had trouble delivering, then they want to make sure their barns are full with furnaces. And so we see that right now as people are loading up on furnaces. Okay. And then just on Refrigeration, I think you said backlog was up, maybe what's differentiating the order trend there? And then I think you've mentioned COVID disruption there. What's unique about the facilities there versus the other businesses? Yes. We got hit both in our European business and in our Tifton, Georgia business. If you look at Tifton, Georgia on a map, was in one of the hardest hit areas for COVID in the country. And so that had some impact on our businesses. And so absenteeism and then actually having had the factory shut down for a bit in both locations impacted our productivity. When you look at the backlog of commercial, as you know, we're more exposed to retail there than we are in Refrigeration, and that's been a softer spot. And then also in Refrigeration, cold storage is one of our largest verticals and that's been relatively strong given that people are building out the cold chain to support different consumer buying habits and buying food at home and also maybe a bit preparing for the vaccine. And so we've seen strength in cold storage and that's helped us. Okay. Thanks for the color. Thanks. And next we go to the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Sachs. Hey, Todd, maybe just commenting a little bit on the resi HVAC monthly trends. Obviously, you guys had told us what July was up. I'm just curious how the rest of the quarter went. And then as you're switching over to furnace, I'm just curious whether you think there are any issues that may occur just given how strong HVAC has been just from a manufacturing perspective? I'm just wondering if there's any kind of like pig in the Python type problem as you try to deliver on furnace sales? The trend line during the months, July August were up mid teens as I talked about on Q2 earnings call, at least on July. And then September was up significantly, but up more low double digits, high single digits as you sort of got away from hot summer selling season. We're positioned as well or better than anyone in the industry to meet both cooling demand and furnace demand. So we think we're in good shape. I think some of our competitors may have issues. And again, I think it gets more pronounced as if you have independent distributors trying to get large orders from you all at once and maybe our competitors are seeing some of that. But we think we're in good position as well or betting as well or better than anyone in the industry to meet the upcoming furnaces. Okay, great. And then just my one follow on is, as you think about 2021, and I know it's probably a little too early, but I'm just trying to think about how to think about the price cost dynamics in resi. You saw copper is up a lot, but you mentioned getting good price mix this quarter on the resi HVAC side. Any comments on just the dynamics heading into 2021, just given the increase we've seen in commodity costs? Yes, I'll broaden the question just sort of talk a little bit about 2021 more broadly. Obviously, lots of moving pieces. There's always uncertainty in October when you think about the following year, but maybe as much now as ever. And I talked a little bit about the end markets earlier, I'd repeat that. We walk out or almost out 2020 with a clear understanding of the resiliency of the residential market. And again, it's demand that's being caused by the home failing. And when we model all that, we think there's another couple of years of that. So we think mid single digits next year for residential and new constructions remains strong. For commercial and refrigeration, as I talked earlier, more uncertainty there, but after being down 25% 20% this year, we'd expect some rebound in 2021. Directly to your question is, we do expect some commodity headwind for next year. But I would also just mention, we've always historically said commodities that matter most to us are steel, copper and aluminum in that order. With all the work we've done on moving to aluminum in our heat exchangers across our business, It's now steel, aluminum and copper that's most important to us. And so while copper still matters, it matters significantly less than it did 4 or 5 years ago. And aluminum, I think, has behaved more nicely, if you will, sound like the President with that terminology, but has behaved better. And so we expect some commodity headwind. We expect some freight headwind at the current point in time, although that still has to be shaken out. And then as we talked about, we expect a little bit of compensation bounce back given the takeout or reduction this year. But as always, we're going to be announcing a price increase here shortly, and we expect to get price next year just like we do every year. We're going to benefit from sourcing and engineering. We're on cost reductions. We talked about raising that number from $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 this year. And so that's order of magnitude that we've done for the last decade, dollars 20,000,000 to $30,000,000 depending on the year. Factory productivity, after not really having much of any factory productivity this year because of all the disruptions because of COVID, we'll get back on track there. And then as always, our target of half a point of market shipping. So I know I haven't quantified a lot of those, but it's to send a signal that we think the setup for next year will be not dissimilar to the setup of prior years where we have markets up, share gain, price to offset commodities and then continued productivity of material costs and factory productivity. Thanks. Appreciate the color. Our next question is from the line of John Walsh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Good morning. Maybe just a finer question on that commodity discussion we just had there. You took commodities and the sourcings combined up $10,000,000 relative to where we were in Q3. Just how much of that falls through in Q4 versus how much has been realized kind of the year to date? I'm not sure to be honest with you, John. Maybe we can sort of guide that. I think the commodities think people are scrambling diligently to sort of find. I think the commodities tamper down as we go through the year where the material cost reduction starts continues to increase as we go through the year. So if I had to guess, I would say, commodities are around $20,000,000 $22,000,000 year to date. And then MCR, I think the raise is just confidence that we'll continue to execute for the balance of the year. Great. Thank you for that. And then just I guess maybe you talked a little bit about 2021, just kind of two questions on my mind. I mean you just talked about your normal kind of market share gains. But as I understand it, one of your competitors, right, had a factory disruption. And so they might have not been able to fulfill orders and that arguably comes back online next year. So does that make it harder to get that kind of normal market share gain that Lennox has been getting? And then maybe just on this replacement pull forward question, I guess it depends on how you think we look from a work from home benefit next year, but wouldn't because we were sheltering, we'd see more breakage this summer that needed replacement arguably that pulled from '21 into 'twenty two? Or is that just not the right way to think about it? Would just like to get your perspective there? I'll answer the second question first. And not just you, John, I've heard others talk about that. I don't think that's how it works. And what I mean by that is, I don't think people set their thermostats to 85 when they go to work and then when they come home, they set it to 68. In fact, I think the majority of people don't even set their thermostats on a timer, it just sort of remains constant over time. And then I think people raise it maybe the 78, 80 when they're gone and then 75 when they get back. So I don't in terms of usage, that doesn't drive a spike up where units all of a sudden have huge acceleration of use and breakage. So I just step back and say the market is flat year over year in 2020. That doesn't show pull forward to me. It's flat in a hot summer. So the market is flat in hot summer. That doesn't show pull forward to me that just people were hesitant to spend money unless they had to, but when the unit breaks, they replace the unit rather than repaired it. I don't think there's I don't think anything was pulled forward because people were at home. Remind me what the first question was? Just on the ability to kind of get your normal market share gains? I mean, I know I think in April, right? Yes. 1, give me personal privilege to just sort of observe that when we lost because of tornado, everyone assumed we'd never get it back. And now that we've taken it from others, there's an assumption that maybe we won't be able to hang on to it. I think a couple of things. I think having been on the other end of it, we were cognizant in a constrained supply environment to supply the dealers who we thought we had the best chance of keeping business to. So we weren't selling arms to anybody, we were selling arms for units to those dealers that we thought we had we were already sort of in the conversations with and converting over and those are the ones we sold to. So we may we're not going to hang on to all that we've gained, but we're going to hang on to a lot of it, a whole lot of it. And then we're also on the attack to gain more share. So I remain confident that we'll gain significant share this year and I'm confident we'll gain share next year. Great. Thank you. That's really helpful color. Yes. And next we're in the line of Deepa Raghavan with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning all. Good morning, Deepa. Todd, can you provide your thoughts on when you think you can resume share buybacks? Looks like you're starting to loosen up on some of the variable costs and getting comfortable given your strong cash outlook. So will it be normal for us to assume buybacks return in 2021? Yes. I'll be more direct, put it in your model. We're not going to start it up here in Q4, given some of the uncertainty. But when we give the December guide for 2021, we'll be back to a more normal stock repurchase program for 2021. Great. Thanks. Can you how do we think about normal volume driven leverage in 2021? I mean, you have you're going to have all these costs in and outs, rollbacks, more seems like more headwinds. I don't know if price gets that much more incrementally better. So should I think about your volume driven leverage to be slightly below trend? Or should all those dynamics not impact just given that you probably should be able to price for them or take costs elsewhere? Our variable gross margin is around 40%. So volume drops through it sort of a normal 40% either direction. And then obviously, in a year where we're spending SG and A and doing other things, then the incrementals goes down. And so that's how we end up at the 30 incremental that we're making investments in the business, building out distribution, driving productivity. But sort of normal volume leverage is about 40%. Got it. Thank you very much, Todd. And next we'll go to Gautam Khanna with Cowen. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks. Good morning and great results. Good morning, Gautam. I have a couple of questions. First, I was wondering if you could maybe frame the magnitude of the pricing opportunity for resi. You mentioned you're going to announce some price increases. Just should 'twenty one be better net realization year than normal, any framework for that? Yes, I mean, I'm going to withhold. What we'll announce will be what we always announce publicly, 4 to 6, whatever the final number is going to be. So we'll announce price. But yes, I do think there's when we expect the market to be up after having been constrained a year before that sort of leads you to believe you can get price in the marketplace. And as we spoke about, when we're having challenged meeting demand as we did as the whole industry did in 2020, wasn't really the right time to raise price dynamically in the middle of the season. But we go into next year, we'll be looking to raise price and for a couple of reasons. Let me talk about commodities. COVID has added cost to our cost structure. We talked a little bit about what happened in our Refrigeration margins because of it. But quite frankly, it's entire business, both on SG and A side, everything we have to do to manage suppliers and manage our own business, absenteeism in our factories. And then we think rate is going to be up. So those are all the reasons on why we're going to need to pass price on. And I think our in fact, I know our competitors see the same force. Thanks. That makes sense. And also could you just expound upon the IAQ opportunity level of engagement with customers? Does it drive like a much bigger retrofit cycle, anything you can do about that? Yes. I mean, I maybe I don't know what the right phrase is, maybe more clear eyed on IAQ. I don't think it's just 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 of opportunity, at least in unitary where we play in residential. I think if you're selling a $5,000 residential unit, your indoor air quality component is $400 or $500 On commercial, it's maybe even less of a percentage. So I don't think it drives the overall ticket. I think what happens is you have to have knowledge and expertise in it for those customers who want it. And you want to steer customers who want to be able to handle their questions. And so commercial customers that build better air, sit down with them, talk about what we have, and we have everything. And then put it in place and then use our NAS, our National Account Service, to measure and monitor the compliance. In our residential business, that's our PureAir S, which has both passive filters and active UV lights that allows us to clean air and then also it's digitized. So as part of our mic comfort controller, you can measure and monitor what's going on. And so I think it's being an expert in the area that allows you to win the jobs and convert dealers, and that's what we're focused on. Thank you very much, guys. Thanks. And next, we'll go to Nicole DeBlase with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Yes, thanks. Good morning, guys. Good morning, Nicole. We covered a lot of ground here. But I guess on the free cash flow guidance, it doesn't really embed a whole lot of free cash flow in the Q4. I'm getting to something a little bit more than $30,000,000 So just thoughts on I'm guessing that working capital is kind of the biggest swing factor there. So any thoughts that you have about what we should expect for 4Q? That's the answer. The sequence of the quarters are different this year. By the way, they're going to be different next year. We'll talk about that in December. But we're typically at this point in time driving down production levels and burning off inventory. But given the hot summer selling season and given that we expected the markets to be down, what we saw in the summer selling season was a burn off of inventory, burn off of the inventory, burn off of receivables, excuse me, payables. And then what we see in Q4 is on a year over year basis, reinflation of inventory and working capital. And so that's why you sort of see we typically have the big cash quarter in 4th quarter. This year, we had the big cash quarter in Q3. Okay. Totally makes sense. Got it. And then just one more on Refrigeration. So I think you characterized you quantified a bit of what's going on with order and backlog within Commercial. Could you just provide some detail around what you're seeing in Refrigeration, Todd? Yes. I mean, our backlog is up year over year right now where we stand. And the order rates on a 3, 6, 9 week basis are all up in refrigeration. So the trend lines are good. I think it's both in our North America business, there's distribution business where we sell through about half of its distribution business we sell through large refrigeration wholesalers and that has bounced back and being down significantly in Q2. And then the other business is project business, so our cold storage and that as I mentioned earlier has been relatively strong. Our Europe business has been strong, but we're a little obviously, a little more concerned about COVID and lockdowns in France and Spain and what the trend line is there. But again, on a over the last 3 or 4 months, our business in Europe had the order rates are also trending the right direction. And what have you actually seen any slowdown in Europe or is that just reading the headlines and being concerned about what could materialize? We're starting to see things slow down. Got it. Okay, thanks. I'll pass it on. And we'll go to Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Obviously, residential margins were exceptionally strong ex the prior insurance benefits. I'm just curious, can you do you think if volumes remain sort of high single digits, low double digits into 4Q and maybe 2021, you can maintain above 20% incremental margins. And then within your commentary on the margins, I think you mentioned sourcing from commodities actually now more of a benefit than you expected last quarter. Is that mainly volume related? And then I'm just a little surprised that freight isn't turning into a into more of a headwind. Can you just maybe just address what you're seeing on the freight inflation? Freight remains a tailwind this year and part of that's we were aggressive on. We're managing freight like over the last year or 2, we've invested in freight management like we did in MCR 15 years ago. So we have a pretty sophisticated team. We now have the tools to measure it. And so I I think part of it is just productivity on our side regardless of what's happening with the overall rate. And we expect to be a tailwind this year and a bit of a headwind next year. In terms of residential margins, I think you sort of see it peak out in the current environment where we had volume, we had done aggressive SG and A cost reduction and we had invested in stores because of the tornado. I think on an ongoing basis, since residential is 60% of our business, we talk about 30% incrementals. I think that's plus or minus what you should think about for residential. I don't think it remains 40% because we're investing in SG and A, we're investing in stores and we'll start back up in 2021. And so we'll have the investment headwind, if you will, that feeds the engine on an ongoing basis. And then was there another question, did I miss any? I think you covered that one. Just wanted to touch back on the buyback comments. You mentioned 'twenty one would be obviously a more normal year on buybacks. I think normal view, Todd, would be 350 to 400 would be sort of the run rate. Is there any catch up from the 20 air pocket on buybacks? Or are we back to the 350, 400? I think the way to think about it is, and you can run the model on your own, right, is we don't want debt to EBITDA to go above 2. That's sort of our peg point. And so we will invest in the business with CapEx. We'll do acquisitions, but we don't. And then what's left, we'll pay in dividends and share buyback. And so I think you model all that and I think you start to peg what we do. I don't think there's a year where we do 6 $100,000,000 or $700,000,000 if that's a direct question. But there may be a year we do a little bit more, but it's all going to come down to that formula. Okay. Thanks, Phil. Thanks. Our final question will be from the line of Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Hey, how's it going? Hey, Steve. On tax rate, what's kind of the go forward? Do you guys is this kind of 'nineteen to 'twenty the right number? And have you guys kind of evaluated, does that kind of revert if there's I know I know you like to talk politics, if that there's a blue wave or a Biden win, does that revert to a certain level, maybe not back to where it was, but what's kind of the long term beyond the tax rate and risk going forward? As Joe mentioned in the script, we for 2021, we think tax rate is going be 'twenty to 'twenty one. So it goes back to more normal rate as we got it this year. We had some discrete items this year that allowed us to take it down. But 'twenty to 'twenty one is what we're seeing next year. Beyond that, who knows? But we'll react whatever is done and we'll adjust accordingly. Just going back to this kind of resi cycle discussion. So are you saying this year was kind of ended up being a normal year despite the pandemic. So there wasn't really a push or a pull in and out of this year. And I know you guys had had that housing echo boom chart out there. We're kind of a couple of years into that chart. So are we still thinking that that's the swing factor in this cycle? I mean housing peaked in 'five, 16 year useful life. I mean is that still the way to think about it that 'twenty one from an echo boom perspective is kind of a peak year or is there something that happened this year that kind of changes that profile? I think I'd answer 2020 this year is we had a warm summer and we also had a pandemic. And I think broadly they offset each other and we had flat market. So I think if we did have a pandemic, the market would have been up more. And I think if we hadn't had a hot summer, the market would have been down. And I think we think the right call now is when you look at AHRI numbers, I'm doing this from memory, but through August, it's down about 3%. Think on a year to date basis, that's going to be closer to flat when it all shakes out. Right. And so that's our call. In terms of the market going forward, yes, I think we've been pretty consistent. I know we disagree, Steve, so I know that. But we when we model it and look at it, we still think we have another couple of years of mid single digit growth, everything else being ignored. And if it's a hot summer, maybe better, if it's a cold summer, we'll do worse. Is that echo boom analysis still in play? Or is there something else driving it? No, it's still in play. Okay. And then one last one to Sunfri. I don't think the pandemic pulled anything forward. If people are sort of saying there's another couple of years, but I'll call it in this year, I'd say no way, because it's flat market, hot summer, doesn't make Right, absolutely. And then just one last one on free cash flow. You've bounced around a bit here in the last couple of years. What is kind of the normalized conversion rate for you guys? And again, just to reaffirm, that's on a GAAP basis when you talk about conversion, right? It is. And I read your note, it's at 90%. I think if you look at a longer horizon, it's closer to 100%. And that's our number 100%. And this year, we're having strong cash flow and that's obviously because one, we performed EBIT wise, but obviously, if you deflate working capital, we generate cash net, so we did. And so in the years where we're inflating working capital, we have more headwind. In years where we're building Mexico, we have headwind in tornadoes, so lots of moving pieces. But over a longer perspective, it's a business that will generate 100% of net income. Yes, I think Arnaud was talking about adjusted to be clear. So that would be more close to 100% if it's on a GAAP basis. So just to be clear on that one. All right, cool. Thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks, everyone. To wrap up, the residential market remains strong entering the 4th quarter and commercial and refrigeration markets continue to improve. The Levitt's team is executing well and taking advantage of market opportunities and share gains. We look forward to closing 2020 strong with momentum into 2021. And again, thank everyone for joining us today. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.