Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Lockheed Martin Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Results Conference Call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I'll turn the conference now over to Mr. Greg Gardner, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, John, and good morning. I'd like to welcome everyone to our Q3 2018 earnings conference call. Joining me today on the call are Marillyn Hewson, Our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Bruce Tanner, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Statements made in today's call that are not historical fact are considered forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of federal securities law. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements.
Please see today's press release and our SEC filings for
a description of some of
the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements. We have posted charts on our website today that we plan to address during the To supplement our comments, please access our website at www.lockheedmartin.com and click on the Investor Relations link to view and follow the charts. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Marilyn.
Thanks, Greg. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call today. As today's release illustrates, we continue to outperform the goals we set at the beginning of 2018 with another quarter of strong operational accomplishments, important new business awards and outstanding financial results. We've seen strong financial performance across the entire corporation. And this performance, coupled with our improved outlook for the remainder of the year, has resulted in us updating our guidance again this quarter.
I'm especially pleased to see our earnings and cash expectations continue to grow as we remain focused on operational performance and delivering long term value to shareholders. Our 3rd quarter year to date financial performance And improved full year projections are the result of the strength provided by our broad portfolio of offerings as each of our four Business areas contributed to our updated 2018 financial outlook. We will discuss the financials in detail a little later on the call, But I do want to highlight 2 key actions that our Board of Directors took this quarter in the area of cash deployment. First, we increased the quarterly dividend by 10% to $2.20 per share or $8.80 annually, maintaining our long standing commitment to a strong dividend. 2nd, we also increased our share repurchase authority by $1,000,000,000 bringing total repurchase authority to $3,700,000,000 This level of authority provides additional flexibility to continue to return cash to stockholders through share repurchases if market conditions and our fiduciary duties permit.
Together, these two actions demonstrate our continued strategy of balanced cash deployment and long term I'll cover performance highlights in just a moment, But I want to begin by noting several strategic new business awards that we received this quarter, which position us for long term growth in our existing portfolio as well as affording us exciting new opportunities. In August, our Lockheed Martin Space team We received an initial $2,900,000,000 award from the U. S. Air Force for 3 next generation missile warning satellites. These overhead persistent infrared or OPIR satellites build upon our legacy SBIRS spacecraft With a modernized bus and increased survivability, delivering advanced early warning and improved resiliency, We look forward to delivering these next gen capabilities with this new opportunity.
Competitive contract of over $1,300,000,000 for the first two GPS follow on satellites with a total estimated contract value of up to $7,200,000,000 for 22 new GPS III spacecraft. These new GPS space vehicles are designed to provide greater accuracy and improved anti jamming capabilities, providing the technology upgrades to ensure GPS III remains the gold standard in navigation, positioning and timing. Moving to our Aeronautics business area. We secured approximately $1,700,000,000 in orders for 22 additional C-130J and fiscal year Omnibus appropriations legislation. These awards bring our C-130J backlog to 70 aircraft, another Air Launched Rapid Response Weapon or ARROW program to provide critical design review and production readiness support for a new hypersonic weapon.
The ARO contract marks our 3rd 2018 award in this emerging technological area. And when combined with the previously announced Tactical Boost Glide and Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon or hacksaw programs, brings the aggregate value of our 2018 hypersonic awards to over $1,500,000,000 We were disappointed though at not being selected for 3 large competitive bids this quarter. Had we matched the winning prices and been awarded the contracts, we estimate that we would have incurred cumulative losses across all three programs in As we conduct our lessons learned process, we will seek to discover any root cause issues, which may lead us to alter future capture strategies. However, our objective will always be to position the corporation to perform with excellence for our customers, while delivering outstanding value to our stockholders. Our new business pipeline remains robust and our win rates remain strong.
The strategic awards I noted earlier contributed to the corporation recording over $18,000,000,000 in orders during the Q3 and allowed our backlog to climb to over $109,000,000,000 a new high watermark. Turning briefly to the Department of Defense budgets. The President signed into law the DoD 2019 Fiscal Year Appropriations Act last month, the first time in a decade that an appropriations bill has been enacted prior to the start of the fiscal year. The act provides approximately $617,000,000,000 of base budget funding for the nation's security and defense programs. The legislation aligns with the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018, which provided with an additional $80,000,000,000 for National Defense over 2 years in fiscal 2018 and fiscal 2019.
The final FY 2019 appropriations also reflect continued support for our broad portfolio As funding was increased from the presidential budget request for some of our key programs, including 16 additional F-thirty 5 jets, 14 additional THAAD interceptors, 8 additional C-130J aircraft, 8 additional Black Hawk helicopters and 2 additional Littoral Combat Ships. These increases were supported by both House and Senate Appropriations Committees and reflect strong bipartisan support for these platforms. Moving on, I'd like to highlight several significant milestones we achieved across the corporation during the past quarter. Beginning with an update on our F-thirty five program. We saw 4 significant events take place this quarter.
In September, we finalized an $11,500,000,000 low rate initial production or LRIP 11 contract with the Department of Defense for the production and delivery of 141 F-thirty 5 aircraft. Notably, We came to agreement on unit prices, which are the lowest in program history with the F-thirty 5A, our conventional takeoff and landing or CTOL variant, achieving an $89,200,000 price, a 5.4% reduction from the LREB 10 per unit amount. We remain focused on delivering the best value to our U. S. Services, international partner nations and foreign military sales customers as we continue to pursue achieving an $80,000,000 as it was approved to transition into the operational test and evaluation or OTE phase in November.
The Defense Department has certified the program's readiness to enter the OTE phase, one of the final steps being approved for full rate production. Also in September, F-thirty 5 aircraft participated in their 1st U. S. Combat mission as the U. S.
Marine Corps F-35Bs Successfully conducted an airstrike in support of Operation Freedom's Sentinel ground clearance operations in Afghanistan. The Marine Corps was the 1st service to declare the F-thirty 5 ready for initial operational capability in 2017, And the aircraft has been deployed as part of the Essex Amphibious Ready Group, enabling enhanced stability and security from international waters and demonstrating the remarkable capabilities of this 5th generation fighter. Lastly, on the F-thirty 5, We were all extremely proud to see our U. K. Ministry of Defense partner celebrate an F-35B performing its first carrier landing as British pilots touched down on the HMS Queen Elizabeth in the Atlantic Ocean, laying the foundation for the future of fixed wing aviation aboard the The F-thirty five subsequently took flight using the ship's ski ramp platform and later performed successful night landings on the carrier, both with and without the use of night vision technology.
The F-thirty 5 and the HMS Queen Elizabeth are at the beginning of a 2 month developmental test process to establish the envelope for the F-thirty 5 to operate from the deck of the ship, and we are very happy to be part of these landmark events. Moving to our Missiles and Fire Control business area. We saw strong domestic and international demand for our tactical missile products an FMS contract totaling over $630,000,000 to provide Hellfire missiles to the Netherlands and Japan. Our tactical missiles team also received a pair of awards totaling over $500,000,000 for 42 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems or HIMARS Launchers and Associated Hardware to be delivered to the U. S.
Army and international customers. Earlier this quarter, U. S. And Swedish officials formalized an agreement to provide PAC-three MSE missiles to the government of Sweden, helping to increase the country's defensive capabilities and support interoperability with U. S.
And NATO forces. Sweden will become the 6th international customer to sign an agreement for PAC-three MSE missiles, and we look forward to providing our leading edge missile defense products in support of their national security objectives. I'll close with our rotary and mission systems business area and Several noteworthy achievements from our Sikorsky team. First, the Sikorsky S-ninety seven Raider prototype helicopter demonstrated the ability to fly at speeds exceeding 200 knots during recent flight testing at our Sikorsky Development Flight Center. The Raider aircraft incorporates our Collier Award winning X2 technology, A suite of capabilities, which include our innovative counter rotating blade design, fly by wire flight controls and advanced vehicle management systems to provide the critical speed and handling qualities needed by today's warfighter.
The X2 technology allows for speeds twice that of conventional helicopters, and we look forward to offering this unique solution to the U. S. Army as it begins to revolutionize its aircraft fleet as part of the upcoming future vehicle lift program. I would also like to congratulate the Sikorsky team on an upcoming milestone as October 31 will mark the 40th anniversary of the first Blackhawk delivery to the U. S.
Army in 1978. The iconic Black Hawk helicopter has more than 10,000,000 flight hours, supporting our Army customers' brave missions and has played a key role in humanitarian efforts, aerial firefighting and Border Patrol's as well. Over 4,000 Blackhawks of all types are in service worldwide,
And I would
like to thank the Sikorsky organization for their dedication in delivering this remarkable aircraft to our customers for the past 40 years. And we look forward to continuing this partnership for years to come. These two significant accomplishments come at a time when we will be recognizing another This November, we will mark the 3rd anniversary of Sikorsky Aircraft joining the Lockheed Martin family. The Sikorsky organization has expanded and strengthened our corporation's portfolio over the short time, And I would like to thank the entire team for their efforts as we celebrate this important occasion. With that, I'll turn the
call over to Bruce. Thanks, Marilyn. Good morning, everyone. As I highlight our key financial accomplishments, please follow along with the web charts that we included with our earnings release today. Let's begin with Chart 3 and an overview of our results for the quarter.
Once again, we exceeded our expectations for every financial metric in the quarter we did through the first half of this year, sales, segment operating profit and cash from operations before making our final pension contribution for the year quarter with all four business areas contributing to that growth. Based on our performance in the quarter, we expect strong results for sales, We're pleased with how our financial results are shaping up thus far in 2018 and we'll be discussing how our performance this year is Turning to Chart 4, we compare our sales and segment operating profit in the Q3 of this year with last year's results. I'll note for comparison purposes that the Q3 of this year has 14 weeks in the accounting period, Last year's Q3 had 13 weeks in the accounting period and this situation will reverse itself in the Q4 when we have 13 weeks this year and will compare to 14 weeks in the Q4 of last year. Even without the extra week in the quarter, our results exceeded our expectations. With that background, sales grew 16% compared with the same quarter last year to $14,300,000,000 Continuing the momentum we had in the 1st two quarters, while segment operating profit increased 23% over last level to nearly $1,600,000,000 And all four business areas contributed to the significant increases in both sales and profit in the quarter, While the margin increases in the quarter were driven primarily by RMS due to improved performance in our Sikorsky and Integrated Warfare Systems and Sensors lines of businesses and by space due to improved performance in our government satellites line of business.
On Chart 5, we'll discuss our earnings per share in the quarter. Our EPS of 5.14 the margin improvements that I just discussed and a lower tax rate in the quarter compared to last year. Moving on to Chart 6, we provide our revised outlook for the year. With only the Q4 left in the year, we are providing our best point estimate of results for The entire year rather than the ranges we have provided in previous quarters, we expect sales to be around $53,000,000,000 for the year, near the top of the guidance range we provided last quarter and 6% higher than our results in 2017. At $5,800,000,000 our forecasted segment operating profit will exceed the top end Our guidance range last quarter, resulting in a 10.9% margin, about 70 basis points higher than last year's results.
Our FASCAS pension adjustment remains unchanged at a little more than $1,000,000,000 Our earnings per share is expected to be around $0.50 also above the high end of our previous guidance range recognizing the strong performance in our business segment operating profit as well as a lower tax rate than our lower estimates, which I'll discuss further in a moment. And we're increasing our outlook for cash operations by $100,000,000 to be equal to or greater than $3,400,000,000 as we expect a large portion of our Earnings increased to be billed and collected before year end. Chart 7 provides a reconciliation of our earnings per share driven by higher segment operating profit as a result of higher sales volume and margins in our business areas. Taxes and other are expected to add another $0.20 in EPS with most of that increase coming from a lower tax rate As we continue to reflect the latest understanding of the tax legislation passed last year, we now expect our full year effective tax rate The EPS range we provided last quarter to a new outlook of $17.50 per share. Chart 8 shows our new outlook for sales by business area for the year, also with point estimates for each of the business areas rather than the ranges we provided in the prior outlook.
We are increasing our sales outlook by $650,000,000 compared to the midpoint of our last guidance, Expected to be near or slightly above the high end of their guidance range from last quarter continuing the strong results we've seen so far this year. On Shark 9, we provide a similar view of our new outlook for segment operating profit by business area for the year. We are increasing our segment operating profit outlook by $150,000,000 from the midpoint of the range we provided last quarter and our point estimate is above the high end of that range. 3 of the 4 business areas are expected to exceed the high end of their prior range, showing the broad based nature of our performance improvements. On Chart 10, we provide our preliminary look at our 2019 trends.
We expect our 2019 sales level will grow 5% to 'eighteen sales, which equates to approximately a 6% to 7% increase over the midpoint in 2018 guidance range we provided in July. We expect our segment operating margin will remain strong at between 10.5% 10 point We also expect to have lower equity earnings associated with the ULA business as a result of the number and mix of launches expected in 2019 compared with 2018. We estimate that our cash from operations will be at least $7,000,000,000 as we've noted in previous calls and we have no planned pension contributions next year. We also plan to have at least $1,000,000,000 in share repurchases about same levels we expect to have in 2018, more than offsetting any planned share issuances in the year. And similar to 2018, we have a debt maturity coming due next year worth $900,000,000 Moving to our FASCAS outlook, we expect our 2019 FASCAS adjustment will be approximately $1,500,000,000 or Based on our performance to date, we are assuming a 1% return on our assets for the full year.
And going forward, and a number of quality new and exciting orders that demonstrate the long term strength of our portfolio. And finally on Chart 11, we have our summary. We've seen strong performance from all of our business areas this year. I'm especially pleased with our year to date orders both in quantity and quality. Our full year outlook has improved in all financial metrics
And first, go to the line of Myles Walton with UBS. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Good morning, guys. So quick question for you. First on the margin side, so the implied Mix that you're talking about, can you give us maybe a quantification of how much is the growth in cost plus versus fixed price? And also maybe by segments, a bit more color on where the 10 basis points to 50 basis points of headwind is coming from?
Thanks, Paz. I'll take that one on. I think the simplest way to understand it is we are seeing pretty much New starts in all of our business areas and you've seen some of that in prior orders that were released and frankly some of that Haven't seen because some of that has occurred on some classified contracts and actually multiple business areas. So I won't be able to get into probably as much detail You would like in that discussion, but suffice to say that that's actually causing some of that margin pressure that we're seeing going forward as well. The largest single item that is driving the margin reduction next year though is actually our ULA equity earnings.
Those are actually going we expect those to be down nearly $150,000,000 or so from this year's Estimate of the equity earnings from ULA and you should think of that as a pretty significant reduction in both the launch Quantity in terms of the number of vehicles launched, but probably more importantly a pretty significant change in the mix of those launch vehicles. So We have more, for instance, Delta IV launches in 2018 than we expect to have in 2019. Those are obviously the most profitable launch vehicles in all of ULA's portfolio. So that's the biggest driver, but as I said without Going into all the various pieces, maybe I'll tell you what, I'll try to hit just a couple of the business areas maybe very quickly going into next year, I'll give you more detail on this, Miles, when we talk to you in January. But as far as the margins in Aeronautics, we actually expect to be fairly similar next year to what they are this year.
And that kind of goes to the comment I think I made in my prepared remarks where We actually do expect to have legacy programs as we're calling them, have increases in margins year over year, but start up Activities, including by the way, I'll count the F-sixteen production program as a restart there. We've been out of production For some 3 years, so that's one example of where I would say we have production I can talk about. Other programs in some of the classified and the skunk works areas The contract activity that's driving us to have a kind of a flat margin going forward. Missiles and Fire Control, margins probably maybe slightly lower, Comparable to slightly lower than it is this year. And again, the same story as within aeronautics, Legacy programs are actually expected to have margin improvement.
We're actually seeing pretty good growth in our soft GLS contract, Higher than we expected quite honestly and you recall that contract brings lower margin than the overall portfolio of Missiles and Fire Control. Probably the biggest single driver though at Midland Fire Control is a whole bunch of new starts and you should think of those as hypersonic programs, new starts as well as a number of other programs including classified activity that's going on there that we talked about orders being received previously on this call. RMS, right now we're looking at actually pretty comparable Margin going forward, so really you should think of the first three business areas that I've talked about, aero, missiles and fire control And RMS, all having comparable, maybe slightly less at Missiles and Fire Control. The biggest driver, as I said earlier, is space systems or space. And that's primarily because of the ULA equity earnings there.
The rest of the portfolio is actually performing about as expected next year compared to this year.
Our next question is from David Strauss with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.
Good morning.
I want to ask a multiple part question on F-thirty
It looks like F35 in
the quarter grew fairly significantly well above kind of the delivery rate growth. Can you talk about kind of how far in terms of the revenue growth we're seeing, how that breaks out between Production in sustainment, kind of how far ahead we are based on going from 91 deliveries this year to 130? And then last one on your cost curve, obviously the price per LRIP is coming down like 5%, 6%. Can you talk about Your cost curve, what kind of learning you're seeing from a cost perspective? Thanks.
Yes, David, I'll take that one on as well. So, you had a lot of parts in that question. Let me see if I can keep up with them. Relative to revenue growth on F-thirty five, I think what you surmise is pretty accurate. And we did have some pretty significant growth in the quarter.
I think we were double digit, actually a little more than double digit on F-thirty 5 in the quarter. As we look and maybe that's the heart of your question, what does that look like next year? I think what you said relative to the ramp up from 91 to about 130 aircraft, We would expect F-thirty 5 next year to also grow probably at the double digit maybe a little bit higher than that. As we are getting ready for this call is that actually the development activity on F-thirty 5 is going to grow at a double digit rate next year. So part of that is we had a pretty significant reduction in the older SDD contract from 2017 to 2018, But we're starting to see more and more sort of new non core SDD development activities being added to the contract.
And that's actually growing as I said earlier, that's growing the development portfolio higher than double digit from 2018 to 2019, so that's kind of a pleasant surprise for us. Cost curve, I don't have the learning, maybe Maryland does on top of her head. I want to say we were at the Mid-80s to maybe a little bit higher percent learning curve on F-thirty 5. Think that's about right. We've been running about that level almost since the LRIP 1, David.
So we're where we need to have some potential investments to get some sort of step improvements going forward there. But at least right now sort of year to date and we're still are keen to date and we're still seeing that trend. Think of it as mid to higher 80% learning curve is what we're experiencing on F-thirty 5. By the way, very much in line with what we've seen On other legacy production programs, if not slightly better.
Our next question is from Rob Stallard with Vertical Research. Please go ahead.
Thanks so much and good morning.
Good morning.
Marilyn, just wanted to follow-up on your comments regarding those programs You lost in the quarter and the potential $5,000,000,000 hit. Are you concerned that this is changing the landscape for defense contracting and These sort of low ball bids could make your future profitability less attractive.
Well, not for us. I mean, that's not the kind of that's not what you would expect from Lockheed Martin, and that was the point in my opening remarks is that we're going We're going to pursue good business for this company and being able to perform at what we say we can perform to for our customers. So That's the key for us. How other competitors behave in this environment, I really can't speak to you. I'll have to ask them.
That was more from the other direction that this was potentially what the customer is now expecting as they see these prices out there.
Well, we have seen we've talked about this in the past calls, so that now that you made a clarification on what you're asking, I Yes, we do see that affordability is a very important element for them. And a lot of these best value procurements, when we know that we've got a good technology Solution and it comes down to lowest cost technically acceptable lowest price technically acceptable LPTA type Decision, we are seeing we are assuming that's happening because if you come in with a technical solution that's Good and comparable and you need all of those elements, but then they just go for lowest price, then ultimately that could be the opportunity that The government is taking on affordability and they cite that. We've seen in the media that they would cite that they've gotten things that much lower than they anticipated. Bruce, anything you want to add?
Yes. The only thing I would add, Merrill, is, Robert, I think I wouldn't necessarily draw A long conclusion from 3 awards, I'll tell you Those were disappointing for a lot of reasons, but the fact that they were really decided all 3 of them on sort of a LPTA basis didn't help the situation. It's not getting, I would argue, the best capabilities for the What I'll say though is, I don't think that's entirely universal amongst all the competitions that we've seen this year. And we've frankly won some competitions where we weren't the highest price. So I don't know that you can automatically, as I said, draw That's necessarily a change from on every program that's going to be competed going forward.
So it's not a one size fits all, if you will.
And next question is from Jon Raviv with Citi. Please go ahead.
Hey, thanks. Bruce, similar to commentary you provided on the margin, I was wondering if you could give us some perspective on sales growth, including On some of the single items which impacted 2018, how those are versus what the prospect is for growth to accelerate in 'nineteen?
Yes. So as we said, we've experienced growth all throughout 2018 And we've talked about that on previous calls as far as how we came out with roughly a 2% expectation. We ended up actually having 6% I think in the past I attribute that to the significant plus up in terms of the omnibus increases, Many higher rate of awards in especially the first half of the year than what we were Expecting to have an earlier turn on for a lot of those awards than what historically we've seen. This I think speaks to The speed concept that Secretary Mattis always talks about now is getting things to the war fighters hands quicker. So I think that was part of the reason we're seeing in 2018 As high as we are, 2019, I'll try to do the same I think the highest growing business area is going to be missiles and fire control.
I think they're going to grow Probably a little bit north of double digit, maybe not much more than that. Next up is Aeronautics, which collectively I think is probably going to grow probably in the high single digits, not quite double digit But that's still good growth there. RMS and right now both RMS and Space are expected to be sort of comparable to where our results were for 2018 or where they're expected to be for 2018. I think if there's a Some growth beyond that and the comparable level is probably in both those. I think we had some potentially good news for instance On the Canadian Surface Combatant Competition and depending on when that gets fully awarded, Go through the entire process that has the potential to I think to create some growth going forward.
So I'm watching those faces, but you should think of it, John, is really the Aeronautics and Missile and Fire Control is sort of carrying the heavy load in terms of sales growth with Space and RMS, somewhat comparable Expectation to where they are this year with hopefully some upside to that level.
Next Question is from Rich Safran with Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.
Marilyn, Bruce, Greg, good morning.
Good morning, Rich.
Bruce, I think this is going to be for you and I'm going to ask you a bit of a forward looking question here. And if you feel you can't answer it, just tell me and I'll ask something else. The long term 2018 to 2020 cash from ops guide was not in the slides. So I thought I'd ask you about that. Would you comment on your 2018 to 2020 cash from operations trends and would you care to comment on 2021?
And if you can answer it, would you include in your answer just a general discussion of major programs about what's baked into your guide and what's not?
Yes. Thanks, Rich. Let me figure out how to navigate through your question there. We've given sort of 3 year numbers in the past. We're actually going to talk about that probably more in the January call, but I'll give it a shot here as well.
So In the past, we said that we had expected about $3,000,000,000 in 2018. We're ending up at about $3,400,000,000 So we're pretty Pete, relative to our expectations there, we still see in obviously, 2019, we're providing the trend information At least $7,000,000,000 We still see $7,000,000,000 which we teed up in one of those charts that we briefed previously in 2020. And you should think of that, Rich, as we're actually seeing some pretty good sized working capital growth In both 2019 2020 associated with a lot of our NuStar programs, It so happened that it happens in a time when it's sort of fortunate for us because it happens in 2 years where we don't have pension contributions. So we're kind of able to have nice robust cash in both 2019 2020 even while we're growing working capital. The fortunate thing about 2021 is that Capital starts to actually reverse itself.
So we actually start to recover a lot of the working capital growth we're actually seeing in 2018, 2019 and 2020. At least as we sit here today, Rich, and I'm not trying to give a 3 year guidance number for you, but I would think that the 2021 cash ought to be fairly comparable to our cash from operations in 2019 2020. And that's despite the fact that we start making pension contributions of a pretty good magnitude in 2021, Somewhere north of $1,500,000,000 or so. So you should think of that as we're recovering working capital in that timeframe. We're also starting to have higher depreciation recovery in terms of cash recovered versus the capital expenditure increases we've seen In the last couple of years and we expect to see next year as well.
And then lastly, the simply the profit growth we're getting from the sales growth that we talked about earlier. So sort of those three things is what's giving us a pretty as we sit here today at least, I'll say a fairly good expectation that we can hold at the that we can hold at the $7,000,000,000 level at leases we're looking out for the next 3 years or so.
Our next question is from Sam Pearlstein with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Good morning.
Hi, Sam.
I just
want to follow-up on that comment you just made about capital spending. And I guess, I'm trying to just think about as we project forward, How much does it increase and when does that increase stop? And is this new facilities that go with a lot of the wins that you've seen To date, I mean, can you just characterize where that money is going? So Sam, I'll take that. It seems look, I get this question every year and every year.
It seems like I'm saying next year is sort of the peak of capital expenditures. And unfortunately, That's not the case now, but I would argue this is all good news. Capital expenditures next year are probably going to be $1,500,000,000 or more than that Slightly, so pretty good increase from this year. At least our in our 3 year planning, the 2020 capital expenditures are actually higher Then 2019 and then they come down actually fairly dramatically in the 2021 timeframe. So Our free cash flow will start to look better in 2021 because of that.
And most of it, you kind of nailed Sam, think of this as the continuing ramp up of both buildings and tooling at Missiles and Fire Control To support capacity increases for weapons and air missile defense programs, I think I've talked about on previous calls that we're seeing Significant demand to increase production rates on a number of our programs, particularly the weapons, but not exclusively weapons, also I like to use the example of Hellfire. I think we're building somewhere I think that the capacity numbers were being asked to support, we're going to go up to like 11,000 per year or more. PAC-three, we've got requests that could potentially go up to 500 missiles per year. So we're seeing some fairly good size request in terms of additional capacity. That's the good news.
And the good news, I guess, also is that it Capital to support those requirements in order to adjust in order to support those increases that will result in growth in the out years once that capacity comes online. So that's what's going on at Missiles and Fire Control. At Space, we're completing sort of the fairly large infrastructure support to have a brand new Sort of manufacturing facility for larger satellites that were actually result in a more efficient build of those satellites as well. And that sort of starts to finalize, I think, in 2019. And then finally, we actually We're seeing a ramp up of both buildings and the tooling in those buildings at Aeronautics primarily to support Our Skunk Works or ADP programs out on the West Coast.
So this is where a lot of the stuff that we can't necessarily talk about It's going on, but it does take added infrastructure to support that going forward. That's in sort of 3 big That's the reason for the capital increases over the next couple of years. Merrill, I don't know if there's anything else I left out.
No, you covered it, Ruth. Thank you.
And next we go to Doug Harned with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Thank you. A question that I think I feel like this has to be asked right now is given the political situation with Saudi Arabia, can you Give us a sense of what your backlog exposure is to Saudi and to UAE and how you're thinking about The current political environment and the relationship with Saudi, how do you work with that with your portfolio?
Yes. Thanks for the question, Doug. I'll just first remind you and the rest of the folks on the call that Most of these agreements that we have are government to government purchases. So anything that we do has to do with Following strictly the regulations of the U. S.
Government in the way that including sales of Saudi Arabia, and we do business in more than 70 countries. So this is just the way we do business, Generally speaking, it's through government to government procurements and they certainly are on the ones that we've been talking about, the weapon sales we've been talking about to Saudi Arabia. We continue to make progress on the programs that we had talked about from The May of 2017 announcement way back then, for example, we announced this quarter that our multi mission service Combattant program has with Saudi Arabia has moved forward with some additional an additional 450,000,000 Dollar contract for detailed planning and design for their multi mission combatant, that was already under contract. And then beyond that, we'll just work with the U. S.
Government as they continue in their relationship with Saudi. In In terms of that one, Bruce, you want to? Yes. I'll take a
shot at that, Doug. So I looked at this earlier thinking we possibly could get a question on this during the call. We really just had, as Marilyn said, the one significant order so far, which was for the MMSE. So think of that as next generation LCS, if you will, a little more capable ship. The largest order that we've been waiting on obviously is That has not taken place yet, not sure when that will take place.
The interesting thing about the THAAD order is while it brings a significant increase in the backlog, the resulting sales Profit and cash flow with that order are very much pushed to the right. And you should think of that Doug is it's because there's a dependency on The radar that has to have a technology refresh that is actually some years out into the future. So Even with the large orders, we would not have significant sales in the near term because those missiles would be arriving Too soon to be supported by the actual radar that needs to be refreshed, as I said. So I think The initial operating capability in Saudi is like 2023, if I'm not mistaken. And Just to give you some idea of the level, I don't have your question was on backlog.
I don't have the exact level of backlog, but I did take a Sales projections going forward for KSA and I think we have in 2019 about less than $500,000,000 of sales planned and if looked out in the 2020, it's less than $900,000,000 of sales. So not a huge amount of dependency on the activity
The next question is from Peter Arment with Baird. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good morning, Marilyn, Bruce. Maybe Bruce, just following on to that, maybe you could just update us on some of the Outstanding international contracts that you're expecting maybe before the end of the year and just any levels of backlog where you see the year finishing up? Thanks.
Yes. So probably not so much international orders as 4th quarter is always The quarter where we get quite a bit of domestic orders from the U. S. Government is the Q1 of the fiscal year and that tends to have Quite a bit going on with new funds being left there. The biggest order obviously by far is And that I should have said that does include international orders as well in there is the F-thirty 5 economic order You're blocked by, it's you should think of that as about 2 19 aircraft comprising outrigs 12, 13 and 14 both for U.
S. Aircraft, all three variants as well as a significant amount of international aircraft as well. So that's obviously the biggest single order. You should think of that as approaching $13,500,000,000 or so. That came out of the FY 2018 appropriations in the Q4 as well.
And then we'll get quite a few I'll say the normal, as I said, 1st quarter of the fiscal year orders for things like the PAC-three fiscal year 2019, probably another block by of THAAD missiles, All the normal orders that sort of come up with that fiscal year. We're looking at actually growing backlog in large part Because of the we actually have a record backlog as Marilyn said and as I said in the Q3, but we expect that number will $120,000,000,000 by the end of the year, primarily because of what we just talked about on the F-thirty five Block 5, but not obviously exclusive to that. Going forward into 2019, I won't go too forward into the year, but we would expect to hopefully get a U. S. International, we'd expect to see an S-sixteen Slovakia order next year.
I think we have next year out of the 24 C-130s that we expect to get probably about 11 It will be international aircraft and 6 of those hopefully for Germany in that category. Let's see what else. I'm thinking out loud. That's probably enough for right now. Like I said, a lot of the other orders in the other business areas are really coming from Domestic sources like some Orion orders, we're going to get 2.
I can't think what the EM stands for. It's the flight of the Orion exploration something. So we're going to get 2 of those orders on Orion next year. So it's a pretty good sized order within our space business. And again, as I mentioned earlier, Peter, we have the potential for closing on the Canadian Surface Combat, which is a huge program.
I think that's probably the largest shipbuilding program in the world Once it starts and we will be the integrator and combat system provider for that, I think the total content Potentially that comes out of that is north of $7,000,000,000 So wouldn't expect to get that all in one fell swoop in an order in 2019, but that'd be the Initial start of something that large.
Our next question is from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi, Bruce. Hi, Marilyn.
Hi, Chief.
Marilyn, I wanted to come back to you, I guess, ask you another Political question. There's been some discussion recently about lower defense budgets for fiscal 'twenty, I think it's like 5% or so of a decline. How do you interpret that? And do you have any insight as to what the base that may be using to step down from? And if it is some sort of contraction, how do you think Lockheed's position what are some of the risks and opportunities we should be thinking about?
Thanks for the question, Rajeev. I guess, as we look at fiscal year 2020, Right now, the President's fight up the future year defense program input that came out earlier this year It's showing an increase, a modest increase in FY 2020 funding levels, and we'll just have to see what's actually submitted in the presidential budget. That doesn't come in until early next year. We'll wait to see. But I'd just remind you, it was very healthy in FY 'eighteen and 'nineteen with giving not only us, but our industry counterparts a lot more visibility.
And as you know, we have long cycle business. And so We've got a lot of things in motion now as we would be looking into 2020. We do we're always mindful of the BCA caps because they come back into play in 2020 2021, and we're always a voice With our lawmakers to remind them they need to address that and they have been addressing that through these 2 year bipartisan budget cap agreements that they put in place, so we're hopeful they'll continue to do that because as Secretary Mattis and the Trump administration has highlighted, we've The government to look at a reduction of 5% in their spending and that's just a way to try to focus on Affordability and reducing costs, but we'll see how they come back with DoD because he's also been very strong about the need to focus on defense spending and modernizing our military. So we'll see how that plays out. But back to my point earlier, right now, we're seeing a modest increase for FY 'twenty.
Knows, it could be even higher because of the modernization that needs to happen.
Next, we'll go to Seth Seifman with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Thanks very much. Good morning and good quarter.
Thank you, sir.
First, I wanted to follow-up on some of the comments You made about cash and working capital. And so first of all, if we think about bridging the cash from if we thought about kind of 3.5 1,000,000,000 or so of operating cash flow this year and then not having to no pension contributions would probably get you pretty close to 7 And then your underlying operating profit growth probably another 200 or so after tax and then the working capital kind of takes that It takes a little bit of chunk out of that. Is that at least for your initial guidance, which I assume is probably you want to Take account of be a little bit conservative, but is that kind of the are those the big pieces in terms of how we get from last year this year to next year?
Yes. I think you've got it pretty well nailed, Seth. I mean, the only thing I might throw out there is we'll get, I mean, Obviously, a little bit lower tax cash taxes paid because of the deductibility of future pension contributions that we'll be making in that timeframe as well.
Next question is from Rob Spingarn with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Good morning.
So a
couple of questions, Bruce, for you. Just on the F-thirty five, I know you talked about the learning curve and Maryland did as well. But you did have this tremendous incremental margin in the quarter, best in 3 years. And in there. But if you talk a little bit about that margin trend and how we see that going forward?
And then separately, is there a With the volatility in equity markets, is there a return on assets level or underperformance that would require Return to ORISA contributions in 2019 2020?
Yes, let me take the Well, I think about your second one, Rob, let me take your first one there. So we did have some pretty good Step ups or risk retirements as we call them on F-thirty 5 in the quarter, you should think of that as mostly, I'll say, Sort of an annual review of older production contracts that took place in the Q3. So I think the step ups we had, the biggest ones were actually on LRIP8 and LRIP9 and that's just sort of taking both those programs. I think That's just sort of taking both those programs from where we had booked profit up to date to sort of where we expect to be at contract closeout. And that happened to be all in this quarter and just given the size of those contracts and the size of the difference we had Where we were booking versus where we expect to be at completion that ended up being a pretty good sized risk retirement.
Trend going forward, as I said on and maybe it wasn't clear, but this is one of those legacy programs that I would think we'd have the ability to do a little bit of margin improvement. Now we actually did cross the 10% RAS level in 2018 For the entire program, which we've been talking about for a long, long time that that was sort of the year we were targeting and we actually got there this year. I think there might be some Potential for incremental improvement going forward, but I think more of the story of F-thirty 5 is just going to be As far as the pension funding and is there return on assets that could drive, I think at the 1% level, I think, Rob, that would probably drive maybe a couple of $100,000,000 Funding in the 2020 timeframe, we've talked previously about having 0 contributions In both 2019 2020, I think we're now seeing probably a little bit of a required contribution in 2020, which by the way we did not Had when we first came out with the $7,000,000,000 in both those years. So I think we'll be able to offset more than offset that going forward and still maintain the 7 $1,000,000,000 we said even with the now $200,000,000 or so of contribution.
Our next question is from Joe DeNardi with Stifel. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good morning. Marilyn, just a question from a corporate standpoint, I think if we were to go back several years, the expectation was that F-thirty 5 would maybe get to 20%, 25% of total sales. It seems like It's marching higher than that. I'm just wondering at what point in terms of its contribution to revenue or earnings, It would become unacceptably big just in terms of contribution to the total company.
Thank you.
Well, first of all, I don't think growing in sales is unacceptably big to the corporation, but We like to see it continue to sell all around the world. As we've said, we'd like to see it go the way of the F-sixteen, which, as you know, is we've sold over 4,000 500 aircraft around the world and we today the F-thirty five program of record is around 3,200. So we hope to see it continue to grow at that I understand your question though as being a large element of the corporation. And It really is a program that has if you look at it, it's not a single customer. It has broad based support.
It's a global Product, so not only do we have the domestic customers across three services, but we have today with the 9 International partners and the 3 FMS customers and many more that are near making a decision on their Fighter aircraft procurements that I think they will find the best choice of the F-thirty 5 hopefully, It's going to continue to sell and it's broad based. So even though it is a big program relatively speaking, When you consider the customer base, it's I think that helps mitigate the risk. In addition to that, we're seeing a As I said in my opening remarks, we're seeing a lot of growth in all elements of our business. So every business area contributed to the growth for This quarter and for our outlook for the year and we'll continue to see growth. We've won a lot of new programs across the business and they will help to Likewise, mitigate the risk of 1 single program.
So I feel very comfortable and I'd like to see the F-thirty five sales continue to grow.
Well, John, thank you very much. We're actually a little bit past the hour.
With that, I'll turn it over to
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